RADIOJanuary 28, 2025

DeSantis Exposes Shady RINO Agenda to SABOTAGE Trump’s Deportations

Republicans in the Florida legislature are pushing back against Governor Ron DeSantis’ plan to support President Trump’s mass deportation plan. Instead, they’ve proposed the “TRUMP Act,” which DeSantis says is very misleadingly named: “They thought if they came in, gutted the enforcement of doing what we need to do, and just named it the “TRUMP Act,” that somehow, they would be able to get away with that.” Gov. DeSantis joins Glenn to argue that “RINOs” are trying to give immigration enforcement power to the Commissioner of Agriculture, who will do the bidding of companies that want to use illegal immigrants for cheap farm labor: “That’s like the fox guarding the henhouse! They don’t want to enforce it. Are you kidding me?! … I don’t want to house the illegals. I want to DEPORT the illegals.”

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GLENN: The first 100 days of the Trump administration have been breathtaking. A lot like the early days of Ron DeSantis in Florida.

And what he's doing in Florida, is trying to get the state to do everything they can to make sure, that Trump's policies are going through, especially on illegals.

There is a house with these unbelievable RINOs, that in a special session, they must want to come back.

Because they said, it's not an emergency. What are you talking about?

Ron DeSantis called for a special session, because he said, the president was just put in office. I want all of the tools on the table. To help him solve this problem.

The RINOs said no, and then they started to change everything that he wanted, and then have the balls to name it the Trump Act.

Really? The Trump Act. And Ron DeSantis, governor is with us now to tell us a little bit about the Trump Act.

Welcome to the program, Governor. How are you?

RON: I'm doing good.

A week ago, we were preparing for a historic snow storm, and our state record had been four inches.

We actually hit last week, 10 inches of snow in Northwest Florida. In Milton. You saw the beaches covered in snow. So it's kind of an interesting period for Florida. Where is the global warming when you need it, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Okay. So tell me about -- because what I've seen, what -- just what's happening with Wilton Simpson is an abomination. Tell me what --

RON: Yeah.

GLENN: Tell me who you're fighting. And what you're fighting against and for.

RON: Well, you hit it on the head. They didn't want it to do anything, on illegal immigration.

And after the election, I said, this is our chance. This is the number one issue, the president ran on.

And we need to get it right. And on there's no way, President Trump can fulfill his mandate, if the state and local governments and law enforcement are not actively supporting his deportation efforts. I mean, think about it. He's coming out of the gate strong. But they've done about probably 700, 800 arrests on average a day. Which is saying, well, let's just say a thousand.

Well, extrapolate that out. 365 days a year, times four.

Biden let in 10 million illegals on his own. Now, I do think the Trump administration will ramp up.

I think they will get better numbers as times goes on.

If you just had every red state. Saying all police departments. All red departments.

Have to participate maximally in the programs that the Trump administration is offering for immigration enforcement. You would increase those numbers dramatically, and that is what we have to do.

We have to be ready to go.

We have to work hand-in-glove.

Now, what you'll have in California and be in Chicago.

They will be trying to sabotage Trump's agenda. There will be sanctuary jurisdictions. Now, we don't allow that in Florida. But I think most states who are not sanctuary. They will just say, hey, it's the federal government's responsibility.

Yeah. We won't sabotage it. We won't be in that fight.

I don't think that's adequate. This is a historic moment for this country.

We've been talking about this issue for decades. Yes. Trump is absolutely right for going after the cartels. And designating them foreign terrorist organizations.

Obviously, we need to build the wall. And fortify the border.

But you have this massive problem of interior enforcement. And so that's what we're proposing, as well as other things that were important.

Legislature didn't want to do. I called a special session against their wishes. They said it was premature that they could wait. They got blowback from their constituents.

They thought, if they came in. Butted the enforcement of doing what we need to do.

And just name it the Trump act nap somehow, they would be able to get away with that. Obama named Obamacare, the affordable care act. Obviously, it wasn't affordable.

Biden named his spending boondoggle the Inflation Reduction Act. Obviously, that didn't work out.

So they're playing this game, where if they think, if they put Trump's name on a weak bill, that somehow people think it will be good.

And it's totally inadequate.

Here's the thing, Glenn. Before I became governor, Florida was very weak on immigration.

Part of it was they thought, that the Hispanic population. I proved that wrong, because I was the strongest governor, and I had a record Hispanic vote in 2022.

So that was wrong. But then you do have this desire for cheap, illegal alien labor in some of these industries. And I think that's what these guys are trying to preserve. I don't think they want to see immigration enforcement, the way you would need to, to fulfill President Trump's mandate. They made it sound like it's initially a difference of opinion on timing. But understand, what they're proposing, it's a difference of values.

The values that we all ran on, that Donald Trump got elected on. That all your listeners subscribed to.

Those are reflected in the proposals that I did. They are not reflected in what the Florida legislative leaders are doing.

And you mentioned the commissioner of agriculture. They're actually taking away immigration enforcement authority from the governor, and putting it in the commissioner of agriculture.

GLENN: Which is --

RON: That's like the fox voting the henhouse. Are you kidding me?

GLENN: It's crazy.

RON: Even stripping some of the stuff I have now, like E-Verify. They want to put it over there.

It's a really, really bad product.

Here's the thing. I think some of them are caught up.

We don't want the governor getting the win.

We're sick of him doing all this stuff.

I don't need pride of ownership stuff.

They can take 100 percent of the credit.

I just want to get the job done.

If they're not doing what they need to do, to get rid of this.

There will be some successes, don't get me wrong.

But we won't be able to deliver on the man date that people gave us.

Just the final point I'll make. Republicans all ran, for four years in Florida. On bashing Biden's border policy.

Saying we needed to get tough.

Supporting Trump's agenda in 2024.

They all ran on that. Not one Republican ran and said, you know what, we just need to give it all to the commissioner of agriculture. You know, state and local shouldn't be -- shouldn't be required to help the federal government.

They wouldn't do any of that!

And now they're bragging about, they're going to spend money on giving beds for illegals. I don't want to host illegals, I want to deport illegals.

GLENN: It is remarkable to me!

First of all, Wilton Simpson. He wants to be governor. When you're not governor, he is going to run in the next cycle.

He's compromised. He is the guy who supported giving in-state intuition to illegal aliens.

He gave the cutout to e-Verify, so agriculture didn't to have worry about it. Refused to provide law enforcement resources during the original border crisis.

This guy is -- is not a helper when it comes to doing the things that Americans have just said, they want to be done.

Who is -- who is also -- I mean, I'm just looking up you've got the Senate president. Ben Albritton. House Speaker, Daniel Perez.

They seem to be in the same boat, as Wilton Simpson. Who needs the pressure?

RON: Well, look, I think just all the legislators. They just need to hear from their constituents. And they're getting upset they can't be somehow, they're getting threatened.

Some of their constituents are telling them, that's not right.

They need to be held accountable for their actions. And what they did, what they're doing is consistent what they told the voters they're doing. They're not going to have any problem, right?

Glenn, I've been doing this for six years.

I've never seen our base react more negatively on an issue, than what the legislature is trying to pull right now. It is like 99 to one. In terms of opposition.

So I think sunlight is the it best disinfectant. People just have to make their voice heard.

We shouldn't let this slip through our fingertips. I think some of it is some inside baseball up there.

You know, Will Simpson was the Senate president.

A lot of the stuff -- tough immigration policies we did two years ago, I wasn't able to get through when he was Senate president.

Because he did block it. And he did support things like driver's licenses for illegals. When he was in the Florida Senate.

He really exercises a lot of influence over the Florida Senate.

So the fact that he was put into that bill, I don't think that that was an accident.

I think that was definitely something that they were trying to do. And does it even pass the last test.

That no state has been more active in fighting illegal immigration, over Biden's term than me. Than Florida and me.

We've had people at the border.

Martha's vineyard and other transport. We enacted mandatory E-Verify.

We did all these things. And then you want to take all these things away, and give it to the ag commissioner, and create some new, crazy bureaucracy.

GLENN: That they don't even have the infrastructure for in the first place. They would have to be rebuilt in the ag department. Am I right about that, or wrong?

RON: Exactly. And the way the bill is written, we think it's unconstitutional.

Because it actually takes away some of the core executive power, that is vested in the governor's office, under Florida's Constitution.

So it's constitutionally suspect. It's also, as a policy matter, it is not going to work.

And here's the thing: If their proposals were consistent with what they campaigned on. What actually worked.

And they had competing.

Hey. If it works, it works.

Their proposals will not work.

Think of even this issue.

It needs to be a crime for illegals to Trojan vote. We've been trying to do this for years.

That was in my proposals.

They're not including that. So illegals can register in Florida, under their proposals. And they're not requiring to sign an affidavit, that they're a US citizen.

Which our Constitution requires. And there's no penalty. Well, guess what, Glenn.

If you let them register. By the time they vote, even if you prosecutor them after the fact, the vote counts.

The time to stop it, is when they try to register in the first place.

And yet they're not doing anything about that.

We have, in our proposals, a rebuttable resumption that illegals that get brought up on criminal charges are detained and then turned over to ICE!

They watered that down so that judges are just going to release these guys back on the streets.

So it's a lack of seriousness about what it really takes to get this issue right. And I can tell you this.

When they propose their so-called Trump act, misnamed Trump Act, Democrats in the Florida Senate were high-fiving them.

Liberal media in Florida, have been singing their praises. The ACLU of Florida tweeted, thank you for what you're doing.

I can tell you this, Glenn. When we banned sanctuary cities. Democrats were not high-fiving anyone.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Correct.

RON: When we eliminated DEI a couple years ago. No Democrats were high-fiving anyone. When we eliminated the woke.

When we did the stop the gender insanity. When we do all these things.

That Florida became famous for. No Democrats were high-fiving. No media was singing our praises.

The ACLU was not in our corner. If this was really a tough immigration proposal.

Then why were these people on the left embracing it?

GLENN: I have to tell you, Ron. This is the one went that has stopped me from moving to Florida. I promised my wife that some day we would live on the water. And the only option for me, really is Florida. Because it's a free state and it's a great state and you're the governor.

But I worry about you, when you leave, what are these stupid Republicans going to do.

And honestly, I just -- they -- if we don't get all of these weasels out, and get the people in that actually believe in what we're trying to do.

The state is going to go back to the same wishy-washy garbage. That makes it a garbage state as it always has.

You guys have led the way. And it's the reason why you're leading the United States right now!

Because you're doing what the people are asking for.

These guys who don't get it, man. They should be on notice.

I, like you, have never seen the Republican voters, as awake as they are right now.

They know what they want. They see what's happening in Washington.

They see what's happening in Florida. And if you are a voter in Florida, you need to get on the phone!

Because your state is going to go to trash, the minute this guy leaves. If you don't have people that understand what -- and -- and believe and will execute.

What you want to happen. You need to get on the phone, right now. And call your Florida representative.

By the way, we have Sheriff Wayne Ivey on with us, Governor, in just a few minutes.

I think he will got to be telling the story about what he's actually looking for. Isn't he?

RON: Yeah. Look, people like Wayne. They want to solve the problem. So they want to participate in these federal programs. Not everyone wants to do that. Which is why we have to make it an expectation that all police departments and sheriff's departments want to do it.

Just think about. Yes. We focus on criminal aliens. And that's important. I want to get these guys before they commit crimes.

I want to make sure our schools aren't overrun illegals. I want to make sure our health care system isn't overrun.

I want to make sure that illegals aren't getting into accidents. And you have insurance. And you're out of luck.

So there's so many ways that this problem impacts our society.

And unless we get it right on enforcement right now, under Donald Trump's leadership, we're never going to solve this problem.

And the quality of life is going to increase dramatically. And look, you talked about Florida. What's going to happen. I can tell you this.

I came in. I was bold. They told me, that was a mistake. Because it was a 50/50 state. We were bold. We delivered results. There was a sharp contrast between us and the left.

And we've had more political success in Florida, than Republicans have ever had. When you water down. When you do the corporatism, when you're not standing for working people, but you're worried about things like cheap labor. When you do that, you will lose political support. That's the lifeline.

I think the reasons the Democrats were high-fiving. Is because they see the leaders -- they're giving them a lifeline to regain relevance in Florida.

They're giving them a pathway, where they can return to power, in the future.

We have beat the left. We weren't trying to high five them.

We've beat them on issue after issue. That's why they've been rendered irrelevant.

And the formula is very clear. And even look at the national election. Donald Trump was bold. And he was rewarded.

GLENN: I have got to run. But so great to talk to you. Keep up the good fight.

Governor Ron DeSantis.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

How to Find God in a Divided World | Max Lucado & Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

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Confronting evil: Bill O'Reilly's insight on Charlie Kirk's enduring legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.