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Could Donald Trump campaign — and WIN — from PRISON?

Former president Donald Trump is now leading President Biden in the polls in nearly every battleground state. But how much of this would change if Trump is convicted of a crime and goes to jail? While many Americans believe the lawsuits against Trump are nothing more than political hit jobs, there's still a chance that one of them could land him in prison before the 2024 election. And there's even a chance that he could be removed from the ballot in some states if he is convicted in his January 6th trial. Glenn, Pat, and Stu discuss what a campaign run from prison could look like for Trump and if it would help or hurt his chances of winning in 2024.

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

We're glad you're here. Thank you so much.

We're just talking about the polls of Trump, leading Biden now in nearly every battle ground state. And he is leading in every battleground state.

STU: Five out of six, I think it was.

GLENN: Except for Wisconsin.

STU: Wisconsin.

GLENN: And could you look into, and break this down at all, on demographics?

STU: Yeah. I mean, it's not good for Joe Biden.

Again, the democratic voting base is -- assumes 95-ish percent of black voters.

90 percent. 85 percent of Hispanic voters.

That's thousand they get into power.

They just dominate these groups by so much, it's overwhelming.

Well, Donald Trump in this poll, has 22 percent support among African-Americans.

This would be a modern day first for a Republican.

A sizable improvement over the 8 percent he had in the same states in 2020.

GLENN: Wow.

STU: And a Hispanic voter.

GLENN: Wow. Where was it? Do you know, in 2016? It wasn't that high.

STU: I don't have it on off the top of my head.

GLENN: Sixteen or 12, something like that.

STU: Yeah. It's right around there. That sounds about right, from memory. Hispanic voters as well.

Of course, he earned 28 percent of Hispanic voters in 2016.

And 2020, it rose to 36 percent.

GLENN: Wow.

STU: Trump now has 42 percent in this poll of Hispanic swing state voters. It's a little bit of a different population. There's some asterisks involved in all of that. Generally speaking, it's showing that the multi-cultural base of the Democratic Party is eroding in a major way. And largely, it's because of Joe Biden.

They look at everything he's done. And they say, number one, he's too sold. He doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't have the mental acute. He's asked in this poll specifically. And they don't think he has it.

And then also, all these things, like inflation and the stuff that we complain about all the time, it hits these populations really hard.

GLENN: Really hard.

Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed has joined us now.

Pat, President Trump goes in to testify today. In the New York trial.

And this is the one where, you know, he was committing fraud, because he said his house was worth, you know, pretty much --

PAT: More than it was.

GLENN: Well, they say, more than it was.

Others say, it was -- it was pretty close on target, for what it really is.

But if he goes to jail, how much does this change?

PAT: Well, I was really happy to see the New York Times point out, that if he goes to jail, he loses all five of those swing states then. That he otherwise would win. So if he's convicted and goes to jail, he won't win those swing states.

And they were really -- really great at pointing that you the on.

STU: It really wasn't even that strong.

It was 6 percent of people switch their votes if he's in jail.

GLENN: If he's in jail.

PAT: If he's in jail, literally.

STU: That would be enough to cost him the election in these polls. Again, it's just a poll. Still, it would be enough. However, I was amazed. That's a pretty low number.

PAT: It is.

GLENN: And I'm not sure that that's true.

STU: Yeah. I'm not sure.

GLENN: I'm not sure that's true.

PAT: The only way that were true, is if he were kept off the ballot in those states, if he were in prison.

GLENN: The only way. The only way, and I think you would go to the Supreme Court on this.

The only way that would happen is if he were convicted in the January 6th stuff. Insurrection.

STU: You think that one. Because I can't imagine people will be like, well, he took too many documents from his office.

And he put them in a bathroom. Therefore, he shouldn't be president. I don't think that's real. I don't think the American people care that much about that type of thing. January 6th thing, I think they do.

We obviously have looked into this. Talked about it all the time.

Talked about some moderate voter, in a swing state.

I think that would have an effect.

If he was convicted over it. It would be interesting to see.

I don't think it would be positive.

I think it would be hard to run a campaign from prison. And look, we all know this is what they want.

GLENN: It's been done before.

STU: It has been done before about. But not successfully. Not successfully.

GLENN: But it was a Communist. Multiple Communists, actually. Peace and freedom party has run candidates for prison, multiple times.

GLENN: Yes. Right.

STU: But generally speaking, very difficult to do.

Suboptimal would be one way.

And like, when we talk about this. We always talk about the actual merits of these cases. Does that make any difference at all?

The merits of the cases have nothing to do with this story. The story is about whether these people will throw him in prison. Whether the merits are true or not.

That's what you have to worry about, if you're Donald Trump or the Republican Party. It will be hard. It will be a difficult task to achieve to be elected from prison.

And I don't know if they will -- but it's is not impossible.

GLENN: I've seen conversations. I can't remember who was -- who did a piece on this.

But with the African-American community.

And it might actually help him, in the African-American community.

Not because they want, you know, somebody who is, you know, a felon in.

They see injustice.

And all of the people they think, many people, are -- have been used and abused by the system. And thrown into prison.

STU: Right. It's sort of -- they connect with the oppression.

GLENN: They connect with the oppression. And they'll look at that and go, oh, my gosh. He's now one of us.

STU: And look, Donald Trump can pull off these magic tricks that no one else can do.

He can be a multi-billionaire in a giant skyscraper. And not only convince people, he's a man of the people, but also that he's oppressed. He's just able to do it.

GLENN: He's actually -- yes. He has his own plane. But he eats McDonald's. You know what I mean?

STU: Yeah. I think it works for him.

GLENN: He's a strange kind of combination of everything.

STU: It's fascinating to see.

I mean, he really can. He is a magician when it comes to politics.

That's the thing, when you look at the movement behind him long-term.

There have been very few people who are able to pull that off, other than him.

Right?

A lot of these candidates that he puts up for these. And he praises don't do that well. Because they don't have whatever he has.

Right?

Donald Trump has something somewhat unique. This is not something -- this is not breaking news. The guy is pretty unique too.

And he is able to pull things off, that other politicians or candidates cannot. He's been the only one that has been able to do it.

There are some examples of people who have similar viewpoints of him. That have done okay. Really, there's something magical in the recipe there.

That he has, that no one else has. And he will remind you that if you ask him.

PAT: And can you imagine what will happen if he's removed from the ballots, in a lot of these states? The chaos. The rioting. It would be ugly.

GLENN: It would be Civil War.

You cannot do that.

They're doing -- the Democrats are doing everything they can, to thwart the election process.

PAT: And they would love to see chaos like that. They would love it.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. They would.

It might be the final straw.

GLENN: Right.

STU: Do you think, even if he gets convicted and put in prison, of some sort.

I mean, I think that that line makes the country unrecognizable. I don't know how people would react to that.

PAT: It's banana republic stuff.

STU: It really is.

And would it be hard to argue anything other than that.

You're putting a guy leading to be president in prison so that he can't be president. That is legitimately what happens in Venezuela.

GLENN: Right. Well, this is -- this is what they impeached him over. The Democrats said, he was going to a foreign entity. Ukraine. And trying to get dirt on his opponent, to be able to make sure he went to jail. That's exactly what Biden is doing.

STU: Yeah. It really is remarkable. And I --

PAT: Incredible.

STU: And I don't know.

It would be one thing if they did this in the immediate aftermath. If right after January 6th happened, they tried the quick, sort of express impeachment, if you will. Which was really, really a joke.

But if they had done this, and tried to go after him, and tried to prove he did something wrong. Or whatever.

It may have been more acceptable to people. Wait until he's running and winning.

And then be like, oh, by the way. We have a bunch of charges from like 12 different states.

Everything he has ever done was wrong. We all found out today.

Like, it's so transparent, that people have to be able to see that, I would think.

GLENN: It's bizarre. I know.

STU: But I get surprised by the American people often.

GLENN: So from Texas, the Democrat from Texas, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett is worried that voter's feelings will result in a vote for Trump.

STU: Oh, no. Not feelings.

GLENN: Yeah. Not feelings.

STU: Oh, no.

GLENN: Okay. She's worried about the feelings, and not the facts.

PAT: Well, do you know why she's worried about the feelings though?

Is because all black people don't know how they're actually doing. They don't -- those are the facts they don't understand.

They don't understand two things. That they're doing way better, that they think they are.

The other thing, they are just don't understand our system. They're too stupid.

GLENN: Oh, they don't understand.

STU: That's based on the color of their skin.

PAT: Of their skin.

GLENN: Wow. That is interesting.

Well, she said also that they feel as though they're not doing well.

PAT: Right. But they are.

She has to tell them, yes, you are.

GLENN: Because it's the -- the facts, yes, you are.

Isn't that incredible.

PAT: It's unbelievable.

GLENN: The standard, first of all, being worried about somebody's feelings over facts. Coming from a progressive Democrat. Where all of euro feelings are valid.

PAT: Yeah. Right.

GLENN: No. No, they're not.

And now, when they can't change the feelings, they have to change the facts.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: I mean, it is -- it's nuts.

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Former Sniper WARNS Major “Instability” May Hit This Summer

Former U.S. Army Special Forces Sniper Tim Kennedy joins Glenn to warn that “real instability” is coming across many parts of the world, including the Middle East, Haiti, Congo, and other parts of Africa. And one of the main signs of this is “the killing of Christians” at high levels in those regions. With a civil war brewing in Afghanistan, “genocide” level attacks in regions of Africa, and more trouble on the horizon, predictive models have found that things could very likely boil over soon. But Kennedy details how the Trump administration, especially Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, and Pam Bondi, are working overtime to “get ahead of what we know is coming” and keep Americans safe.

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GLENN: We're talking to Tim Kennedy. Talking to the president about the border, and what's going on with the border this week. And I said, you know, if I were, you know, a Mexican citizen. And knowing that my government was in bed with the cartels. I would be hoping that some special forces just showed up in the middle of the night. And started killing people. In these cartels. And I said, well, that would be news breaking if I said that was a good idea.

You know, I hope it doesn't come to that. It was clear, that that is on the table. I mean, that really has to happen. Does it not?

I mean, that is a collapsed narco state in Mexico. Isn't it?

MATT: Yeah, we -- the rules of war that we'll be experiencing for the next five to ten years are not the traditional maneuver warfare that people remember from Korea and from Vietnam, and from even -- you know, we know who our enemy is. These are going to be businesses.

These are syndicated criminal organizations, that do not fight fair, and the cartel owns both the businesses, the corporations, and the criminal networks that are involved in that.

So, yes. It's absolutely on the table. And a group of people that are sitting on like the go button, are absolute savages, Mr. Beck.

GLENN: They are. I know some of them. I know some of them.

And they're just like -- and they're just -- they're just champing at the bit to go, I know. I know.

TIM: That's the truth.

We're in conversation with the cartels right now. And the cartels are saying, hey, we don't want to die. We don't want to be wiped off the face of the planet, which we know is not going to happen. So, you know, are there other options. Hey, what if we stopped human trafficking?

What if we stopped fentanyl production entirely?

What if -- what if all of that just goes away. What if we stop and seal the border on the south side. What are you -- will we maybe be allowed to transport some cocaine and some marijuana?

I'm totally fine with this. If we stop fentanyl. Human trafficking. Gun smuggling. And we stop the invasion of our border, I'll -- and we don't have to do a while bunch of killing.

You know, whatever.

But they know they're on the brink of --

GLENN: I hope they do.

TIM: Of existence.

GLENN: I hope they do.

You know, when you look at what's happening here.

And what they're bringing over here.

I mean, it has to stop, dead in its tracks.

It has to stop.

And it has to stop soon. The president is dealing with these courts. Which I just think is judicial insurrection as Mike Lee puts it. And it has to stop.

The president has to protect our borders, and has to protect our cities. This is -- you know, this is the opium wars, done to China by the English.

You know, 200 years ago. 150 years ago. And now they're doing it to us.

That's what -- that's what is happening.

TIM: Yeah.

GLENN: Tell me about the Christians and genocide, that you believe is on the horizon.

TIM: Just yesterday.

Back at the White House yesterday.

Listening to some brief about -- there's some brilliant companies that are able to do predictive modeling.

Using literally every public and classified source of information.

And there's these events that are pretty predictable.

You know, they predicted what would happen in Afghanistan. Predicted what would happen in Ukraine.

They see regionally that on the very near horizon, as soon as like late summer.

We are going to see real instability throughout CENTCOM and the Endo-Pacific region.
And some of those things -- some of the catalysts that are -- the data points are what are the killing of Christians.

And it's happening all over CENTCOM.

And --

GLENN: Explain CENTCOM. Explain CENTCOM for anybody who doesn't what CENTCOM means. Explain that.

TIM: Just imagine the Middle East starting kind of in north Africa.

And western Asia. And everything that has lots of deserts. And lots of Muslim countries -- just -- by coincidence, there's also Israel. That's in CENTCOM.

One of the few non-Muslim democracies, in that whole entire region.

Ask, you know, the Houthis and Hamas. And Hezbollah.

And then in former countries, like in Syria and Iraq, Afghanistan, those places, it's just a massacre of Christians, right now.

GLENN: So let me take a one-minute break.

Come back, because I want to talk to you more about that. Because you've been involved. We've been with you with Mercury One, and trying to help. And I know what we're gearing up for.

And I want to see if there's anything that you need and you would recommend, besides told prayers for Christians.

And I want to go deeper into what this predictive model is showing in just a second.

First, let me tell you about Preborn.

You know, if you were in the room with a woman who was thinking about giving up her baby.

What would you say?

If a scared young woman looked you in the eye and said, I don't think I could do this.

I'm alone. I don't know if it's really a baby yet.

What would you do?

Would you yell at her? Would you say, you can't do that! You'll go to hell.

Or would you tell her, you're strong enough. You are. Show her pictures of your kids maybe. Talk about miracles?

Talk about God? Talk about anything?

Anything. We're here for you. Would you just wait.

None of us would show her pictures of an aborted baby. None of us would yell at her.

Okay? The truth is, we'll never be in that room. Most of us. But Preborn will not be in that room. They don't argue or shame.

They do something really simple. It turns out, it's very persuasive. Just offer her a free ultrasound. And when she hears that tiny heartbeat. When she sees the image on the screen, everything changes. More than half the time the mom chooses life, the rest of the time, she's like, I -- I just -- I'm alone. I can't afford.

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GLENN: So, Tim, maybe we'll have you on -- we're doing a big benefit for the Nazarene Fund.

This fall.

I don't even have details on it. I just heard about it yesterday.

What that is, we go and rescue Christians. Or we pay and help people like you, go rescue Christians.

We just empower people like you, to help.

I would love to invite to that. When we get closer, I will.

Tell me about this predictive model. Why is it saying that it's going to get so bad? What's coming our way?

TIM: Yeah.

The Nazarene Fund, and Mercury One, just for -- love you guys.

I don't -- you know, we publicly can't say a lot of the things that we do at save our allies.

But none of it is possible without you, quite frankly.

Like if you look at me, and our team in Afghanistan. Or in Ukraine. Providing humanitarian aid. And pulling people out of the war zones.

Although to the Far East, as far as I possibly can get in far Russia.

Every place that we have been, has been because of you, quite frankly. Mr. Beck.

GLENN: Please. Stop calling me Mr. Beck.

Give credit. This audience is so gracious. They are so gracious.

TIM: Yeah. They just have an understanding.

Samaritan purse. Mercury One. Nazarene Fund.

We see you guys every single place, in the worst, most dire condition. So, you know, Glenn, thank you so much.

To your question, you know, we are -- if you just look in the past month, you know, you can look to Syria. You can look to the -- next to our bill.

You can look to the Congo.

Where you see thousands of Christians being killed.

You see Muslim converts, that were being specifically targeted. Down in Congo just last week.
Another 29 Christians were killed. In 2025, in like the region in Syria. There was like this region of violence. Another thousand were killed.

And so if you take -- if we're going to look for similar areas in the region, and try to predict the instability of a particular administration or government.

There's a whole bunch of -- and we can take historical data from the past 50 years. And start looking at, okay.

Economically, what is happening for instability?

What is happening culturally?

What is happening on -- in the markets?

What's happening in like -- really clear data points. And we have this bell curve of what's normal. And then you have these outliers that are -- that then keep occurring, every time there's a coup. Or every time there's genocide.

Or every time -- and there's enough data now, where we -- especially with AI. And we can scrape all of history.

We can then very accurately start, you know -- all the special operations side. I'm trying to find somebody in space and time.

It's -- that's -- used to be a difficult thing, to predict where a human is going to be.

So I could maybe bring them to justice, and if we look at the first 95 days of the president in office, and our intelligence community specifically, that told them they're going to work. With, you know, Kash Patel, enabling them. Pam Bondi.
45 Americans that have been illegally detained abroad brought home.

You know, we're knocking on the door of 100 radical terrorists, want to do harm to Americans. Dead.

And we are trying to get ahead of what we know is coming. Which is, complete near Civil War in Afghanistan.

Trying to get stability in Congo -- obviously, we see what's happening in Haiti.

And every time one of these places starts becoming less secure and stable, that is the breeding ground for radical adversarial groups, that are funded by our adversaries, like and mine Iran.

To then conduct attacks on Americans.

But they're not doing it direct.

It's like via proxy.

But Haiti, if we don't pay attention to it, China will use it.

Congo will --

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

TIM: And it just keeps happening.

GLENN: Tim, I can't thank you enough for what you do. You're really a remarkable man. It was such an honor to see you at the White House.

And as usual, see you at the White House and you're serving. Serving veterans.

So thank you for everything, Tim.

God bless you.

TIM: Yeah, you're amazing. Always in your corner. Let me know what you need.

GLENN: You've got it. Thank you, Tim Kennedy. US Army Special Forces. He's a sniper. Former UFC fighter, and really a servant to our vets.

Next year, it's going to be a tough year. All the way around us the world.

It's going to be very tough. What he's saying, is coming.

I -- you know, people say, I think Donald Trump will say for a reason, to save the republic. I'm not sure, that we understand God's mind.

It may have just been to postpone and give us more time to prepare. I'm not sure.

I hope we save the republic. But it might be time to prepare. Because things are very, very dicey in the world, and we just need to be prayerful.

Thoughtful. Jesus-like people.

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