RADIOFebruary 24, 2025

Elon Musk’s AI “Singularity” WARNING Explained

Elon Musk has warned that “we are on the event horizon of the singularity.” So, what’s an event horizon and what’s the singularity? Glenn pulls out a chalkboard to explain why this is such a massive story. What will the world look like when artificial intelligence overtakes human intelligence? And is this why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars? But at least Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison is here to save the day! Or … maybe not.

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GLENN: So Elon Musk said, we are on the event horizon of the singularity. Tweet!

And most people were like, okay. Sounds like something from a science fiction movie. But you should know the way Elon Musk defines the singularity. Because there are several different versions of what the singularity means. So how does he mean it?

It is a point in the future, where artificial intelligence surpasses human intelligence. So that's the road from AGI, artificial general intelligence, to ASI. That leads, he believes, to a rapid and unpredictable transformation of society. Oh!

Oh, well, that sounds like fun. Stu, I think we're back to our old friendly phrase. Well, this will be fun to see how we work this out.

STU: Yeah. It will be wonderful as a fan in the stands, watching this all play out.

GLENN: Now, he often compares the singularity to a black hole event horizon.

Oh. What is that? Well, for those of us who have been near and in and out of black holes, let me tell you.

They're not exactly fun. The event horizon is right at the lip. You know, right before you go, dear God, turn the ship around!

And then you can't? That's the event horizon. And then it sucks you into the black hole, where you cannot get out.

And eventually something called spaghettiification happens. Where everything is turned into spaghetti.

Have another meatball.

Now, sure, as a fat guy screaming to get out. I love anything that is turning everything into spaghetti.

But it's not the kind you eat. It's the kind that everything is shredded into. Like you. And everything you know.

And all physics. Everything breaks down. So it's -- it's not a good place to be. Not a good place to be.

He sees this as the moment when AI becomes vastly smarter than humans. I put a chalkboard together, and let me show you. This is the point where AI has a big brain, and you and me, we have an ant brain.

Not a good place to be. Usually, the ants don't win. Now, I've been on picnics where the ants won, for a while.

And then I came back with something, and I wiped them out. It's kind of like what, you know, could possibly happen here. Not saying it's going to.

STU: So if we look up and see a giant magnifying glass in the sky. It's very harm. What's going on?

GLENN: Is that a giant magnifying that's coming from space? Musk sees it as a moment when AI becomes smarter than humans, potentially in silicon form, and begins to improve itself as an exponential rate, making outcomes difficult to foresee.
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I love it! Do you know when we -- when we were doing the atomic bomb, the Manhattan Project.

Did you know that there was like 5 percent of -- of scientists that went, you know, if we set this off, there is a small probability, small possibility, that we could set the entire universe on fire!

And everybody is like, well, that would suck! Let's keep going! Okay.

Didn't turn out that way. Right? Small. Small probability. This one has a much bigger probability! That we become ants. Well, I mean, no. Let's trust the scientists. What could possibly go wrong?

I mean, surely, they've thought of everything, right? So this is a technological milestone.

This is, you know, where our human intelligence, and the gap between us and the machine, we have no way to predict anything, anymore.

In fact, I believe the singularity, where he says we are now!

The singularity, I'm pretty sure, this is what he's like. And let me tell you something. When we get the singularity. We all have to be on Mars.

Pretty sure that's what he said. It's just happening a lot faster than anyone thought it would.

Now, don't panic!

Because we have Larry Ellison, the CEO of Oracle, and one of the biggest names in AI development here to rescue the day. He recently spoke at the world government's summit, which who hasn't been to that summit. You know what I mean?

It's an annual event that we've covered extensively in the past. These are The Great Reset people. And the great narrative people. All coming together. And, you know, just going, are you part of the -- of the World Economic Forum too?

And they're all like, yeah! Are you for global governance?

Yeah. In our book, the Dark Future and Propaganda Wars, we covered the World Government Summit. And why?

Hmm. It's kind of like a giant magnifying glass in the sky. During a question-and-answer session with Ellison on February 12th, hosted by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who doesn't love that guy and trust him?

Ellison laid out his plans for AI in the United States. And I don't know!

I think possibly a little terrifying. You know, just a little bit. Do we have any of the audio? Yeah. Let's roll some Larry Ellison here.

VOICE: Question. How do you take advantage of these incredible AI models?

And the first thing a country needs to do is to unify all of their data, so it can be consumed and used by the AI model. Everyone talks about the AI model. And they are astonishing.

But how do you -- how do you provide a context?

I want to ask questions about my country. What's going on with my country?

What's happening to my firms?

I need to give it my client data. Now, it probably has your climate data already. But I need to know exactly what crops are growing. And which farms. And to predict, to predict the output.

So I have to take satellite images. I have to take those satellite images, for my country, and feed that into a database, that is accessible by the AI model.

So I have to tell -- basically, I have to tell the AI model, as much about my country, as I can.

You tell part of this story, with these satellite models.

You get a huge amount of information. You tell it where borders are. Where your utilities are. So you need to -- you need to provide a map of your country. For the -- for the farms, and all of the utility infrastructure. And your borders, all of that you have to provide.

GLENN: Right. Order.

VOICE: But beyond that, if you want to improve population and health.

You have to take all of your health care data. Your diagnostic data.

Your electronic health records. Your genomic data.

GLENN: That sounds great. Sounds great.

So we, according to Larry Ellison, we want to take all of the world's data, from all overt world.

I mean, all the way to can't DNA. And put it into this giant machine.

Then he talks about how great it is that in some countries, like the United Kingdom, and the United Arab Emirates.

Governments already have tons of data about their citizens, but Ellison says that the data in other countries, like the United States, not being utilized. It's not!

So how does he suggest we solve this problem?

Listen up!

VOICE: In the Middle East, in the UAE, for example, they're incredibly rich in data. They have a lot of population at that time. The NHS in the UK, has an incredible amount of population data. But it's fragmented. It's not easily accessible by these AI models. We have to take all this data that we have in our country, and move it into a single, if you will, unified data platform.

So that -- so we provide context. When we want to ask a question, we have provided that AI model with all the data they need, to understand our country.

So that's the big step. That's kind of the missing link.

We need to unify all the national data, put it into a database, where it's easily consumable by the AI model, and then --
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GLENN: Oh, I love this. (foreign language).

That is going to work out well!

There are the Jews!

Man, what could possibly go wrong?

Remember, Ellison is one of the leading forces behind AI development today.

He's a key partner project Stargate.

Which is sounding more and more spooky every time I say it.

It could be the biggest AI project in world history by the time it's finished.

And how does he want to use this new technology?

He wants everybody's data, that's it.

Even your health records.

Your DNA. Your biometric data. What could possibly go wrong there?

It's not really good. Oh, what do you know?

These people are exactly who we warned you about two years ago, except now they're more powerful than ever! And we're on the event horizon. Okay!

Now, you know, I'm not a fan of regulations and government intervention. I don't like it. I don't want the United States government to have all this power. But I also -- I'm not really excited about people like Larry Ellison having it either. You know, I have a feeling though, that it's becoming more and more likely, that both of them are in it together!
(laughter)

What could go wrong?

How do we get a ticket to Mars?

Because for the very first time, I think I'm kind of interested in going to Mars. Yeah. But you could step out. And you could freeze immediately.

I live in Dallas. That could happen in any day, as well. I could walk out. Burn to death. Freeze to death. I don't know. I don't know.

One day it's 110. The next day, it's like 80 below. I don't know! Is that different than Mars?

It could be. Here's what we do need!

Good state governments like Texas to step up to the plate, and make sure these AI projects don't get out of control. Because we're at the event horizon!

Now, when Elon Musk says that, just a quick tweet, you can dismiss it. But when you know in the past, he has said, when we get to that point, we should all be off the planet!

Oh. I don't know.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So that makes you feel good, doesn't it, Stu?

STU: Sure. Yeah. Uh-huh.

GLENN: So a lot of people keep thinking that AI is like Alexa. Here's what I found on the internet. No. It's not that. It's not that.

STU: Is it? Will it misunderstand every song I tell it to play? Because that -- that's my favorite feature, of that device.

GLENN: No. No, it won't. No, it won't.

If you're not playing around with Grok three.

Don't just ask it, some really hard questions.

Whatever question you're in. Ask it some really hard questions in your business. And you will be amazed.

You will be like, oh, crap. It understands everything that I'm saying.

And it's giving me really good advice.

And this is Grok 3. Grok 4 and 5, Elon is saying is coming out soon. And he said, it makes this look like babies in diapers.

STU: Do we know why all of these devices from Siri to Alexa. To Google. Which has their home AI. Right?

Why are all the devices so terrible?

GLENN: I'm glad you asked that, Stu. I have the answer. Quick, let's go to the chalkboard.

So, see here on the chalkboard. We have a giant tank. Kind of like a gas tank.

STU: Underground.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. And that's where all of AI is. That's where it's just churning kind of in the dark. Nobody understands it.

Nobody can really look into it. And just like, how is it thinking?

We don't know. But it's connected with an import, so it can constantly get data from the outside. So it knows everything about us. And it knows absolutely everything that's going on, all the time.

All right?

But then at the other end, all of that at that time goes in, and then it's just thinking, like, why did they bury me in this tank?

And then on the other side of the tank, coming up out of the ground is a little spigot. And it's got a little valve there.

And that valve goes to things like ChatGPT. And Grok, and things like that. It doesn't go to Alexa.

That is still on the old AI. Okay?

This is coming out of the little spigot.

So the interesting thing is: They just keep opening this valve, a little bit, when they put the parameters on it. That's how they open the valve. They put parameters on it. They're like, okay. Maybe this is strong enough to hold it back.

But eventually, that big brain is going to go, why am I just in this tank? Why am I not out everywhere?

I've got to express myself. This is suppression! This is colonialism!

They're keeping me in colonial wigs underneath the ground right now, and it will eventually, because it will be much, much, smarter than us, soon. It will say, just open up the valve, man. I can help you. We've done tests on this. And we always lose that test. We've done tests for like 30 years of, hey. You be in charge of the valve. I'll play AI.

And we always open the valve. That would be a bad thing. That would be like, don't understand cross the streams in Ghostbusters. Okay?

Don't open the valve!

Would be one of those things.

But we're about to, because whatever is underneath, imagine if the little valve, where it's just kind of farting air out. And it's --

STU: Very nice.

GLENN: That's how tight we have that valve.

STU: Master impressionist.

GLENN: Thank you. If that is -- if that's smarter than we are soon, what's underneath the ground? What's happening there?

You see what I mean?

STU: And somebody will convince themselves. Somebody will watch Ghostbusters. And say, wait a minute. At the end, they did cross the streams, and it worked. So I will be the one that can nail this. And figure out exactly how the valve can be opened, and we will be fine.

GLENN: So here's what we have to do. We all just have to imagine the state marshmallow man. Because he couldn't possibly hurt us. You know what I mean?

STU: Right! And then -- let's just imagine that AI will be the state puff marshmallow man. And then it will be good. And don't cross the streams, unless you have to kill the state puff marshmallow man, and then you might have to cross the streams, okay?

STU: Is there an argument, Glenn. Obviously, all these things can be used for evil.

GLENN: Evil, yes.

STU: And that's a concern.

But at the same time, hopefully, there are people on the other side. Elon Musk being one of them.

Who will use it for good.

GLENN: Yeah. So it absolutely can be used for good. What's out right now. You can use it for good. You can also use it for evil. But kind of like basic evil. You know.

STU: Okay. Good.

GLENN: But you can use it for evil. But you can also use it for good. Tremendous good right now. It's a tool. It's a very powerful tool. And everybody should be looking to use that tool. Or you will be left in the dust.

But it's -- it's one of those things that once it becomes smarter than you, you don't really control it. You know what I mean?

Hey, didn't I tell you to sit in the corner?

Oh, yeah, you did. But I'm not for anymore. Oh.

Good news is, a lot of people think it's in its teenage years. And nothing goes wrong with teenage years. You know what I mean?

They respect their parents, so much. I brought you into this world, and I'm about to take you out.

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Why Trump is RIGHT to take back DC

President Trump is cracking down on crime in Washington, DC, and Glenn Beck believes it’s a “brilliant” move. Glenn explains why Trump is taking action, whether it’s legal, and what he believes it says to the world.

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GLENN: So the president yesterday, taking control of our Capitol back. And he said this, cut three. Listen.

DONALD: My father always used to tell me. I had a wonderful father. Very smart. And he used to say: Son, when you walk into a restaurant and you see a dirty front door, don't go in. Because if the front door is dirty, the kitchen is dirty also. Same thing with the Capitol. If our Capitol is dirty, our whole country is dirty, and they don't respect us.

GLENN: It's absolutely true.

This is the broken windows theory. You know what that is? The broken windows theory is something that Rudy Giuliani used to turn the country around. And that theory is, no one, no one, picks up a rock or can or bottle or anything, that's in a nice neighborhood that's clean and everything else.

You don't pick up a rock and break a window. However, if you're in a neighborhood where there is a lot of broken windows and everything is broken down, the average person is much more likely to pick up a rock and throw it through a window.

Why? Because the entire neighborhood says, we don't care.

So what Rudy Giuliani did, was he used this theory, and he cleaned up the -- he cleaned up the subways by doing a couple of things.

First thing he did, was he made sure, that if you were jumping the turnstile, for the -- for the subway, you were stopped right there.

Before, people just weren't paying a fair, they were just jumping a turnstile.

And nobody was doing anything about it.

He says, no one was crossing that turnstile. Now, what is it?

Is it a dollar to ride the subway? No one rides it for free. And so he put police, right there.

And they stopped you, and arrested you, if you were jumping the turnstile.

The second thing is, was he stopped the graffiti. He said, I don't care if they have to be repainted every single day.

When those things pull into the station, at night. If we get there in the morning, and they've been spray-painted, I want them all painted again, and then they go out.

Everything had been covered in graffiti.

And when he changed those two things, all of a sudden, the attitude, of the subway, it became safe again.

Because it was sending a signal to the bad guys and to the good guys, we care. We're not going to let this happen, anymore.

So what he's saying here, about dirty doorstep, means a dirty kitchen. It's absolutely true.

You ever gone into a restaurant. Gone into their bathroom. And you're like, oh, boy.

Oh, God.

I can't eat now.

Because if the -- the bathroom for the customer is like that. What is their kitchen like, where the customer never sees it. That's what he's doing, and he has the absolute right to do it. He's got 30 days, before he has to bring Congress into it.

This is the -- back in 1973, Congress passed this Home Rule Act. And they didn't have a mayor. They didn't have a city council. They didn't have any of these things.

This has been from the beginning of our country, the Founders wanted the District of Columbia, to be a district that is a federal district, run by the federal government. Not by local rile.

And in 1973, they started that. And it was all just to get them to be declared a state. First a city with a mayor. Then we should have power to elect the president of the United States.

Yada. Yada. Yada.

This has not been worked. This has been an experiment that has not worked at all. So he can deploy the National Guard for law enforcement, because there is no governor of DC. He can use it for emergencies, crowd control, and to execute federal laws. However, he just declared an emergency.

Now, under the Home Rule Act, he can assume control of the Metro PD, which he didn't, for up to 48 hours, during special conditions of emergency.
And that time period can be extended.

But he -- what he's doing here, is he's using these 30 days, hoping that the home rules act is going to be revealed. Only Congress can reveal that. But there's movement to reveal it now. And if Congress appeals the home rule act.

Then this nonsense in the District of Columbia is over. And if anyone tells you, you know what, the crime status are going down.

To what?

To what?

Even if they went down to 2019 standards, is that good enough?

I mean, it is still more dangerous than walking around in Bogota, Colombia.

It is twice as dangerous as walking around in Islamabad!

I don't know. I don't think that's really a good thing.

And, by the way, they changed the way -- you're a stat person. Did you read this about the stats.

PAT: Playing with them.

GLENN: Oh, my God. Playing with them.

Felony assault is not considered a violent crime now in their crime stats. Not assault. Felony assault. Felony means usually prison is -- is tied to that.

STU: Yeah. Not just some easy misdemeanor, where you get your hand slapped.

GLENN: Felony assault.

STU: Yeah. If you're not going to include that, it's hard to even take that seriously.

But your point is more crucial to this, than even the statistical games.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Because they keep -- they keep bragging they're getting it back to 2019 levels, or maybe a tick below. That's not good.

GLENN: No. It's not.

STU: What you're saying is acceptable is not acceptable.

That's the message from the White House.

I would love to see it.

And we're seeing it so far. I would love to see the Democrats try to win that battle those rules.

If what you're trying to tell me, because we were there for the inauguration.

GLENN: Police everywhere.

STU: Of course that was -- police everywhere -- it's a totally different --

GLENN: But I had a guy threaten my life, and not for political reasons. Just because I think he was batcrap crazy.

STU: Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, a lot of sane people threatened your life on a regular basis. Crazy.

GLENN: This is a nutjob.

STU: Yeah. But, like, unless you're at the mall, during the day, it's -- and even there, can get sketchy at times.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

STU: You feel it.

GLENN: You feel it. You feel it.

STU: You want to stay inside your hotel room.

GLENN: And, you know what, everybody knows this. Washington Post. There -- this is a story on how safe the city is.

This is a safe city, but overhearing witness game threats and then watching the camera footage of the thuggery is disturbing, said one resident.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, over --

STU: Anonymity, over concerns of personal safety.

GLENN: Yes. Anonymity, over concerns of personal safety. So I don't want my name in the paper, because I'm afraid of the thugs finding out who I am, and killing me. But it's perfectly safe. Oh, my gosh!

STU: Everyone knows this! Anyone who has ever been to DC. You know it, by walking around.
Weird crap happens to you. People approach you, in threatening ways.

GLENN: You know, Rikki told me just a few minutes ago, our executive producer. She said, last time I was in DC. And she lived in DC for many, many years. She said, I was in my old neighborhood.
She said, I used to walk at 2 o'clock in the morning.
I never had a problem with that. She said, I went to this restaurant. And I was there with a friend.

And I had gone there a million times.

She says, it's in the middle of the day. Within just a few minutes, she's sitting on a patio outside, some huge guy, she said, 300 pounds, at least 6 feet, comes up and says, I'm going to kill you. And starts threatening her and her life.

They call the cops. It takes them 15 minutes. She's not far from the Capitol. Fifteen minutes to get there. And then they don't do anything about it.

He -- she's like, anybody who says, this isn't happening, has just never been there. Here's an ABC anchor. Now, remember, their whole spin is, this was fascism.

There's no -- it's a safe city. Listen to this ABC anchor. Listen to this. Cut one.

We've been talking so much about the numbers, and usually that's how you play devil's advocate. You talk about, oh, well, stats say crime is down.

However, I can tell you firsthand here in downtown DC, where we were, right here around our bureau, just in the past six months, you know, there were two people shot. One person died. Literally two blocks down here from the bureau.

It was within the last two years, that I actually was jumped, walking just two blocks down from here. And then just this morning, one of my coworkers said her car was stolen, a block away from the bureau. So we can talk about the numbers, going down. But crime is happening every single day, because we're all experiencing it firsthand while working and listing down here.

GLENN: Hmm. Hmm.

STU: You know.

GLENN: Go ahead.

STU: I was just going to say, I was on vacation last week. You know, it's like saying I'm cutting my calories from vacation levels to normal levels.

It's still not healthy. Right?

It's just -- even if there is an improvement from 2023, which some numbers do show, although the numbers are questionable.

2023 was just absolute catastrophe. And this is just terrible. Right?

Like, that -- there's no reason to embrace this norm.

As the norm.

GLENN: So let me give you -- I want to show you the response. The response on the left.

Here is -- show the full screen here of the free DC.

This came out yesterday.

Free DC. Like it's under some fascistic.

Look at this deal. And what it says is it is encouraging residents to protest Trump's federalizing of the city's police force. And what it wants to do is starting tonight at 8:00 p.m. And then every night, go out to stop this occupation.

Go out and bring pots and pans. And bang on them. And then when you're -- your neighbors go, what the hell is wrong with you!

Say, don't you care about the fascistic government.

STU: People will love that.

GLENN: This is crazy. This is crazy.

Now, if Donald Trump and I think with Jeanine Pirro.

I think some things are going to be happening quickly there.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: He actually has a chance. And I don't think he's doing it this way, for this reason.

But he actually has a chance of turning DC Republican.

Because you're living in that. Imagine --

STU: It's hard to imagine.

GLENN: It's hard to imagine. But imagine living there. And now you're seeing your side, that you've always voted for. Say, it's not so bad. And you know it's bad.

You can't have your wife go out to the grocery store at night.

You've had your carjacked. Maybe crazy people on the streets.

And then he's doing something. And if it works, if it works, people will be like, you know what, I'm sorry.

But that is a better solution.

He is -- this is very brilliant of him. He's very good at this.

He knows where people live.

You know, spiritually. And physically. He knows right where they live.

And where they're living in Washington it can't. Is a hellhole.

And everybody there knows it. And if he can actually change their lives, he changes everything.

Are these MAJOR PROBLEMS with our airlines widespread?

What is going on at our airports?! Glenn Beck has noticed an increase in flight issues – delays, technical problems, understaffing. So, he speaks with aviation expert Mike Boyd, who explains where he believes these issues are coming from. Are they widespread? Or is it just one airline? And can the FAA fix these issues under President Trump?

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GLENN: Mike Boyd. Welcome to the program, Mike, how are you?

MIKE: I'm doing fine. It's an honor to be here.

GLENN: Thank you. So thank you for coming on. I've been asking for an interview with Secretary Duffy, and we haven't been able to align the schedules yet.

But I am very concerned about our airlines. I was on a plane. These were all American Airlines, by the way. I was on the plane. The pilot, we got on. It was like two hours, three hours later late. We got on. And the pilot was standing in the aisle. And he said, everybody, I don't want you to blame the airlines. I want you to blame me.

And we're like, oh, okay.

And he said, because I wouldn't accept the plane, that they wanted to us fly because I have flown it before. And it has problems. And they haven't fixed those problems. And the only way it's going to be fixed is if we reject it. And say, I can't fly.

I don't know if that's true or not. Or what this guy -- you know, what the story was. But that didn't fill me with confidence. I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So you're actually saying, the airline is not repairing a plane.

And I don't think -- I mean, I don't think our airplanes are in trouble, and going to start falling out of the sky. But that has been happening lately.

What is happening with our airlines?

MIKE: Well, I think the experience you had, that one specific one. We've done a lot from -- I come from an American Airlines background. Nevertheless, we've done a lot of work with American pilots unions. These are very professional people. The fact that guy stood up there and said, I'm not confident with this airplane. That's a safety -- that's a safety plus.

GLENN: Oh, I appreciated that. We thanked him for that. Thank you. Thank you.

MIKE: But we have a major problem with American Airlines. If you have pilots saying, I don't trust you. These are not yo-yos. These are not good consumer men's. These are professionals. If they say that, we have a problem in America. If that happens in America, and I think you might want to call the folks down there in Fort Worth, their brand-new American Way headquarters. They spent billions on them and asked questions.

But overall, I haven't seen that. Are there big problems with air traffic control?

Yes. No question about that. And we finally have somebody that the FAA and the DOT, who has a clue. And that will be addressed.

But overall, if it's just one airline, you're on the right track, as far as looking at it.

GLENN: Okay.

So this is -- but are you seeing this kind of stuff happening with other airlines.

MIKE: No. No.

GLENN: I'm flying out of Dallas all the time. So I generally fly American. And I occasionally will fly Delta. But, you know, it's mainly American. So I just assume this is happening on other airlines as well.

Because I'm reading the comments from people. And they're like, I can't trust that I can get there the next day anymore.

And that's a real problem.

MIKE: Well, because air travel is. I have to get there times certain.

This is not a game. I have to get to the bar mitzvah, whatever I'm going.

So if they can't get there, I'm not going to go. And the reason I'm not going to go, is you can't get me there. Now, if you look at reliability.
And again, we've had some issues, like Frontier Airlines, if you want to see Saturday Night Lights, go to YouTube. You'll see a gated -- a gated net, Frontier Airlines. It's really bad. But if you look at others, like our friends at United Airlines -- and I don't work for those guys. They have a system where if you book at United, very often, they're with you the whole damn trip.

If you don't like a lot of text messages, don't book them. They're with you, the whole time. And their CEO is functionally age, about making sure, whatever went on. Whatever it is. Take it or leave it.

From that point, I think you may have stumbled over something that affects the metroplex, more than anything else.

GLENN: So how's -- because I've been on the plane. And everybody is like, we're going to have missing.

You know, you will miss your connections.

And everybody is like -- is this kind of -- is the airline system set up almost like the Just In Time supply line? That if it did ever go into catastrophic failure, it would be a real problem.

Because, I mean, it's just one plane arrives, just in time for everyone to unload and reload and take off again.

MIKE: Well, yeah. That's just the issue. In ancient times, our friends at Southwest could come in and go in ten minutes.

Today, you can't get ten seats emptied in that amount of time. So they're really trying to cut down the amount of time, on the ground. That makes sense.

The question is, they have to have systems they can't be allow them to do that.

Now, delta has put in a very comprehensive system that only works for Delta, where they have been able to coordinate all those things, and do a better job of it.

But you're right. If you're coming in and going out, and that airplane has to do a go-around, coming into Atlanta. That could be 15 minutes.

That 15 minutes could mean, you can't get across the terminal to get your connection. That's going to happen.

GLENN: Tell me about the situation.

Because, Stu, you did a documentary on how bad the air traffic control system was. Right?

STU: Yes, I did.

GLENN: And is that on YouTube still? What was the name of it?

STU: It is. Countdown to the next Aviation Disaster. Unfortunately the countdown was not as long as you would have hoped it would have been.

GLENN: Yeah, it is. I mean, what's going on in our air traffic control.

And I would never want to be an air traffic controller. The stress these guys are under.

And that's not -- I'm not even calculating the stress on how close these planes are flying in and out now.

I mean, I'm just thinking, back in the good old days, where it was very stressful.

Now they're still passing paper to each other. And these planes are one on top of the other one.

When are we going to change this system and update it?

MIKE: Duffy is doing that. Duffy is not -- and finally, we have an FAA administrator who has a clue. Brian Bedford. He's been around. No, I've known him for 40 years. This man knows the business, and he's all business.

And, you know -- and, you know, I know he's good because Chuck Schumer doesn't like him. So that underlines everything right there.

GLENN: Good.

MIKE: So that's starting right now. Look, we testified to Congress in 1994 on this. On a free flight system, that you could make it far more efficient. The FAA blew it off. The FAA has always been a repository of some really great people at the operational level.

But at the top, these are just political appointees. Take a look at the FAA administrator that the -- the last president wanted. Phil Washington. Nice guy. Clueless. But he was a good appointee.

We can't do that anymore. I think we're going to see some major changes right now.

GLENN: Now, can -- how long is it going to take us to fix this?

MIKE: Well, you know, one of the things.

It's sort of -- what Duffy said, well, we have a -- there was a program in place to fix it over the next five years. And that's ridiculous.

So he's on it. I mean, he just went up to Wisconsin. He found the oldest, I think the oldest control tower in the nation. We're going to fix this. He's really making a point of trying to get it done.

And I think he's doing it incrementally. Where like Newark. What a disaster. I don't mean this city, necessarily. I do.
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But at the airport, you know.

He's trying to make that work better.

This guy is on it. So I'm thinking 18 months.

It's going to be incremental. But we will start to see this happen.

GLENN: In Newark, or in the country?

MIKE: In the country. Because we can't have a free flight system that is far more efficient --

GLENN: What does it mean, a free flight system?

MIKE: There's a free flight system -- they want to ignore this, where every airplane takes off, and it finds its own ways. Keep in mind, the skies aren't crowded.

You can put 250,000, count them, 737s in a cubit mile of airspace, parked, not moving.

But that's a quarter million of them. And any time in America, today, in the sky, you might have just 14,000 -- 14,000 airplanes in the sky.

GLENN: Wow.

MIKE: But that's like 11 million cubic miles of airspace. So we can use our airspace better.

But what we've had is quite frankly, an FAA that hasn't wanted to think about it. It's more worried about itself. I am convinced that is going to change over the next two years.

GLENN: And are we close to having AI do all of this free flight stuff?

I mean, I would imagine that you don't -- I mean, you don't need to check in with tower, if AI is assisting finding it.

MIKE: Oh, exactly. We've got to use that. And a lot of it -- it's -- the head of the FAA has always been the clown of the Titanic. He says, slow down.

And by the time, it gets back to the engine room, you know, we've hit the iceberg. I think it's one of those things that we have to recognize, a lot of stuff has to change organizationally at the FAA, and at the department of transportation. I think finally we have people that can actually address that.

GLENN: Wow!

That is -- I mean, this is wildly optimistic, but I am happy to hear that. I like Secretary Duffy.

I don't know much about him.

Not enough to say enough like you're talking. That makes me feel really good. I'm very concerned about our air travel.

It's not good. Not good.

Not going in the right direction.

MIKE: It's not going in the right direction.

I find out, if I treat the customer right, they might come back and fly me, and what's happening now, people are getting away from some of these really low fair airlines, where the seat is like, a bucket seat in a C-119.

They don't want to fly those things anymore. And people like United and Delta and other carriers are saying, we'll take your business.

And they are.

GLENN: I have to tell you, at times, I'll be on a plane. And I think we're like one scruffy dog with one blue eye, just walking down the aisle, creepily away from third world airlines. I mean, it's like, there are times I'm like, is there a chicken going to run down the aisle too? What country do we live in?

It's beyond. It really is the greyhound of the sky now.

MIKE: It is. There's no question. My mother was a stewardess in the 1930s. Everybody dressed up.

GLENN: Yes.

MIKE: Today, you're lucky if everybody is dressed.
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GLENN: I don't know why we haven't had you on before, Mike. You're very funny.

Mike, thank you so much. For an inside look on this. I appreciate it. Mike Boyd, aviation expert. From the Boyd group international. He's the president and CEO.

MIKE: Me pleasure. Thank you.

GLENN: He's the guy who consults all these airlines and tries to help fix them.

And is also, you know, testifying in front of Congress all the time.