RADIOFebruary 14, 2025

Did Fauci Orchestrate the Pandemic? New Documentary EXPOSES ALL

A few years ago, Glenn reviewed all the evidence that Dr. Fauci’s gain-of-function research may have contributed to the creation of the COVID-19 pandemic. Now, fellow BlazeTV host Matt Kibbe says we have found the “smoking gun.” Kibbe joins Glenn to discuss Episode 4 of his docuseries, “The Coverup,” which exposes how Fauci’s sketchy research has weaponized viruses, supposedly in the name of “biosecurity.” Plus, Kibbe explains why Biden gave Fauci a blanket pardon going all the way back to 2014, why Fauci was so obsessed with gain-of-function research and “The Science,” and how former NIH director Francis Collins is also involved in this scandal.

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GLENN: We welcome, Mr. Matt Kibbe. Hello, Matt.

MATT: Hey, Glenn.

GLENN: So you -- I can't even imagine what this documentary costs. It's really, really good. And we're up to episode number four, the Cover-up.

MATT: Yes.

GLENN: And this is the one where it all is laid out, crystal clear. With all of the evidence. And it was so satisfying for me to watch. Because we had some of this evidence when I did a special four years ago. And you could connect the dots. You could see it. But a lot of it wasn't there. You had to take a leap of faith that, yes. That dot and that dot, they're only missing the connecting dot that I can't prove right now. You have all of the connecting dots.

My wife, who doesn't really get into these things usually, we were watching it last night.

And she watched it. And I can't tell you how many times she went, oh, my gosh.

Oh, you've got -- what?

I mean, Fauci, I believe thinks he's God.

It is astounding, how long he's been involved in this.

And how much power he has.

Take us from the beginning of this episode.

MATT: It's almost unbelievable, right? When you watch this.

If we didn't have the receipts, you would think, you're just going all Alex Jones here.

GLENN: Yeah. Which, by the way, Alex Jones is starting to make more and more sense.

MATT: Right. Right. I say that as a compliment at this point. Because he warned us about so much of this. And this starts with my very first conversation with Jay Bhattacharya. And he casually mentioned to me on my show, the first time I interviewed him, that this explosion of funding for gain-of-function research happened after 9/11.

And my -- and that -- that stuck with me ever since.

And what Richard Ebright documents in this series is the origins of Fauci's power. Origins of the money. The origins of this mad science experiment that we were going to sort of weaponize viruses. Supposedly in the name of bio security.

And it starts with Dick Cheney who has an obsession about the -- the limits to -- to the government's ability to develop bioweapons agents. Again, ostensibly to keep us safe.

GLENN: Okay. Go ahead.

So it's frustrating to watch this twisted logic. There is no reason to do this gain-of-function research over and over and over again.

Fauci had been asked, and he never answered the question. And all scientists agree, it -- it cannot be you. You do not have to do this to find an antidote to do this.

And that's the one thing I was left thinking. I mean, is this almost an Operation Paper Clip Nazi kind of, we have the power to create this evil stuff, that could wipe out all of humanity? Let's do it.

MATT: Yeah. It reminds me of a more evil version of nation building. This arrogance that says, we could airdrop into another country and teach them Western values and teach them about our Constitution, and suddenly there's property rights and there's rule of law. And it works! And it doesn't work.

It's a form of central planning, right? It's a form of hubris. And this takes it one step forward because you're trying to reimagine nature itself. You're trying to reengineer nature.

It starts with Cheney. You can go back with Nixon, who signed a bioweapons treaty that said we weren't going to do it.

And this is what Dick Cheney was chasing against. And DOD. And these other defense agencies had an office, in their agencies, that said -- that made sure that they didn't violate that treaty. But USAID, NIAID, NIH do not have compliance offices.

So it's a money-laundering scheme, to do these mad science experiments, that they couldn't do legally otherwise. And now, you know, Elon is revealing all of this. You've been talking about this for years.

It's a really, really evil, arrogant thing that happened.

GLENN: Oh, evil. Evil.

You know, when you see Fauci doubling down, and doubling down

Because he's been called on it for years. And most people don't remember it.

It was from the New York Times. And the Washington Post. For years. The things that he was responsible for.

I mean, the bird flu. How many chickens did we have to kill, Pat? What was that?

PAT: 145 million. It was 2022.

GLENN: 145 million chickens. You want to know why the price of eggs is up? That's why!

MATT: Panicide.

GLENN: Yeah. So we're killing them all. Why are we? What happened?

If I'm not mistaken, I learned last night, in watching the cover-up, that that's Fauci too!

MATT: Right. There's more experiments that we know about.

But the ones that Ben, start with -- so Cheney and Fauci. And Fauci gets this huge pay raise to be the czar of gain-of-function research.

And one of his first projects was to re-create the Spanish flu. Which did not exist on the planet earth.

They actually dug up a body and re-created it from scratch. And then they published how to do it in a science journal. And Congress rightfully said, are you insane?

Fauci gets called in. And this is the first of many times, he says, it's worth the risk.

I've decided. It's worth the risk.

And the firestorm goes away.

And then there's various wild experiments with -- with the bird flu. That come very close to catastrophic leaks. Out of labs.

Because every time that Fauci gets called before Congress, he says, we're going to up security.

We're going to develop protocols. We're going to really focus on safety. But they never really do it.

GLENN: No. In fact, it seems to get worse every time.

MATT: Yeah. It gets worse because the program expands and expands. It's like -- it's like this crazy quilt of countries and universities now that are doing this kind of research.

GLENN: And doing it in Ukraine! Ukraine!

MATT: Yeah. It's -- I mean, it will be the end of us, if we don't stop it.

And that's -- that's why I'm obsessed, and that's why Ebright is obsessed. That's why Rand Paul is obsessed.

And you mentioned this, but it's fascinating to point out. Everyone is like, why did Biden give Fauci a blank check going back to 2014?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Why?

MATT: And this is well-documented in this episode. Because starting in 2015 is when Fauci and Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, started willfully ignoring the law against gain-of-function research, explicitly on coronaviruses.

GLENN: So here is my -- here is my only question, and I think I have the answer. Why would Fauci do this?

There was like literally almost every scientist saying, don't do this. There's no reason for this.

And he just keeps going into the most dangerous things we possibly can.

Why?

MATT: He's. If you know his history. He's the consummate apparatchik.

And when Dick Cheney goes to him. And says, I have this idea.

And Fauci's answer, I wasn't there.

But Fauci surely said, hold my beer. I'll do that. If you're going to give me all that and money power, I will do it.

If I have a chance to reimagine nature, I'm up for that task. And he's written about it.

I keep quoting this article that he and his now probably going to jail partner David Morin wrote a piece himself, in 2020, talking about bending modernity and reimagining how we live our lives from where we live, to how we travel, to how we gather.
So he has this God complex.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MATT: And I don't know if he had it when he said yes. He may have been a good bureaucrat. Lots of money. I can grow my power.

You can pay me a lot more.

But in that echo chamber over the next 20 years, where every scientist -- I mean, you went from the scientific community blowing the whistle and saying, this is crazy.

It gets a little quieter every time that Fauci is caught doing something. Because at some point, they're all on the payroll. And if you want to stick your neck out, like Richard Ebright did, you might lose all of your NIH grants.

You might lose your university position because your university is addicted to all of this gain of function funding.

So they -- they have bought and paid for science itself. And corrupted the process to the point where, we shouldn't trust the science.

Because it is not science. It is this mad science, arrogant project.

GLENN: When Fauci said disagreeing with me, is disagreeing with science.

Was that a God complex?

Or was that a, I fund all the science.

Go ahead, disagree all you want, but I control the science.

MATT: And I think it's both. And I do think that when Rand Paul started questioning him, he had never, ever faced someone that was both skeptical and informed. And so he's been able to BS is his way past senators and congressmen.

Because you can sort of throw a bunch of words and science-y stuff at them.

And you can change the definition of gain of function research.

And virtually no one except for a few people that have either done their research or have been following him, have any idea that he's just lying to you.

So I think -- I think it was both. At that point. He was in his own mind, the God of science.

But he also wasn't used to people questioning his authority.

GLENN: Like I said, when I first started talking about this, today, my wife and I watched it last night.

And she gasped several times. So did I.

And you won't believe it. I mean, just talking about it here, does not do this justice.

In seeing what Fauci has done and what we're dealing with now, all over the world, and how it is still growing, it -- it -- you will -- you will be saying to president Trump and RFK and Bhattacharya and everybody else, arrest this man. Stop this, right now.

Because like you said, you know how I feel about AI.

That is -- that is -- we're just -- that's nitroglycerin in a paint shaker. Hey, let's give that a whirl.

This is probably closer to killing us right now. Because all it takes is one mistake.

And any of these crazy labs. And nobody is talking about it.

Nobody is admitting it.

It's got to be -- it has to be completely exposed. Every name needs to come out. There needs to be punishments for it. And all of it, burnt in an incinerator.

MATT: Yeah.

And it will be a lot like the nuclear weapons arsenal. And this is something that Dr. Ebright talks about as well. The risk grows exponentially as you expand the program.

Because if you have a couple of universities. If you have a couple of labs doing this, you know where it is.

GLENN: Right.

MATT: But now, it's all over the place.

GLENN: Right. And you've got all these people. Somebody mad. Somebody disgruntled. Somebody just stupid.

Somebody, you know, makes a mistake. Every time this program grows.

MATT: Yeah. By the way. And this is something we also talk about. The anthrax attacks.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MATT: Which conveniently happened one month after 9/11.

Well, we eventually learned, or at least are told that it was, in fact, a government-financed lab, that had access to anthrax.

GLENN: Yeah.

MATT: That allegedly caused this, which paved the way for all of this funding that we're talking about.

It wasn't just the Patriot Act. It was additional legislation that massively expanded the money that Fauci would get control of.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But oddly enough, the guy that was accused of doing that, committed suicide before he could be prosecuted.

GLENN: Yeah. I know.

That stood out to me yesterday too.

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

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Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.