RADIOMarch 04, 2025

Financial Expert WARNS: Why Trump’s Tariffs are a Risky Game

Inflation is still up, prices are still high, GDP is now predicted to decrease, and the Legacy Media is, of course, blaming President Trump and his tariffs. But financial expert Carol Roth makes the case that they KNEW this was coming. The economy is still reeling from Biden-era spending. That’s why Glenn advises Trump to demand in his first Address to Congress that Congress pass a budget with a bare minimum of a trillion dollars in cuts. But Carol also gives a warning: she believes that DOGE’s cutting and Trump’s tariffs could “explode the deficit” and alienate our allies if they are not done surgically.

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GLENN: All right let me go to Carol Roth. Hello, Carol. How are you?

CAROL: Yeah. Glenn, I've just found that we've only been in this administration for a month and a halfish, and I feel like it's been 16 years.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. I know.

CAROL: There's so much going on. I'm trying to process it now. When somebody said, it's only been a month and a half. I went -- you know, my mind was blown.

GLENN: Yeah, we're 40 days into this administration. You're looking into this. And it's breathtaking at what has been done. Last -- last month, we had I think 1800 encounters at the borders.

A year ago, last February, it was 1009000 encounters.

That's how much of an impact he has made on that. We have all these things that he has done. But when it comes to the economy, Congress has to move on some of his things. He hasn't really done anything with the economy. Except, perhaps, for DOGE. Which you've been warning about on this program, for a while now.

What's happened?

CAROL: Yeah. Yeah. So we've talked about before, that the economic situation, is not really what it was presented to be. You know, we heard under Biden and certainly during election season. What a wonderful economy we had. All of these really great statistics, on employment and growth.

And it's become very clear. Well, it was very clear to all of us, before. We've talked about it. Something that Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessent talked about a couple of weeks ago. Is that really, the economic foundation is incredibly fragile. And what we've had the Biden administration do, which was exceptionally nefarious. Is that they decided that they were going to spend to paper over the weakness of the economy.

So if you remember, I think it was back in 2022, we had those two down powers of GDP. Which is a technical recession.

For some reason, by the way, they said, was not a recession. I'm sure if Trump had to down quarters, they would say it was.

GLENN: Right. Depression.

CAROL: But it had a D in front of it, so it wasn't. Then we came out of it. Then it was pretty clear that we were going to go into this double dip recession.

So what did they do to increase government spending, which is very inefficient spending, and we have been running deficits as a percentage of GDP. That are at wartime levels.

We're talking six to 7 percent of GDP, the historical average is somewhere around three, or three and I half percent.

So about double, you know, what you might see, on average. Not -- well, you have a good economy. You would actually expect that to be much lower. Because you're getting more receipts.

That's what happened. We had more receipts. We were taking $5 trillion. And they're spending even more. They're spending almost $7 trillion. So that was done to mask the weakness in the economy. Now that we don't have the ability to continue to kick up even more and more to show growth, the consumer continues to be tapped out from all the Biden Arab policies. And the fact that we have DOGE. Which is trying to cut down government spending. We're at a situation where things could get uglier. Before they get better. Or they could get uglier. And they could take away the political will to make them better.

That's this delegate dance that we've been talking about. Why we need this careful choreography.

The craziest thing that has happened over the past several days. Is that the Atlanta Fed. One of the branches of the Federal Reserve. Has a tool that predicts GDP each quarter.

They went over the last four weeks. Okay. Four weeks time. From predicting we would have almost 4 percent GDP growth in the first quarter. To now negative 3 percent, in the first quarter.

GLENN: That's impossible.

CAROL: A seven percentage point difference in four weeks! Which, A, just goes to show what a joke any of this reporting. And these tools and this data are.

But I think also shows, hey. We've got, you know, somebody else at the helm here.

So now we don't need to doctor these numbers in a way that seem a bit more friendly.

And it's so -- we potentially could be seeing something ugly. Which is something that we've talked about many, many times.

And this has been a setup, that they knew was come.

If you go back to the middle of last year, you had a bunch of, quote, unquote, noble economists. That put out a piece that said, Trump was going to create inflation. He was going to do all these things to the economy. And I called it right out, there is will it. This is a setup. They know this is coming, right then. They are setting the groundwork to blame this on Trump.

Get ready for the talking points.

Trump has been in there for only six weeks.

He hasn't even really had a chance to do anything about the economy. Congress certainly isn't helping. And yet, we're already getting the rhetoric that, oh, look what he did to our really great economy.

GLENN: Correct me if I'm wrong here, Carol. But the Biden administration, while they spent a lot of money, they did it in ways to cover things up, et cetera, et cetera.

But that -- that big 2021, you know, $1.2 trillion bill. And then the 836 billion for roads and bridges. And broadband. And then the 144 in the Inflation Reduction Act. It's well over a trillion dollars.

And it's my understanding, that only 17 percent of that money has been sent. Spent. So what happens if we don't stop the spending, of just the stuff that is already on the books from Biden. Wouldn't that cause our inflation to go through the roof.

CAROL: Yeah. It absolutely would cause our inflation to go through the roof. Because even with the cash in and cash out that we have. As you said, we're running these wartime deficits. And, by the way, we're financing those at high interest rates. Not necessarily in the historical context. But in the context of the last 15 years. And in a way that we have now made the interest expense, on our debt, you know, what we're paying for stuff we've already bought.

Exceed, the financing charges exceed what we're spending on defense. Nile Ferguson has a great sort of maxim, if you will. That basically, I'm paraphrasing here.

But, you know, nations that spend more on interest, versus debt, don't, you know, remain great nations for very long. That seems to be pretty obviously, something that everybody can wrap their heads around. That we've -- we don't want to be spending all of our money paying for stuff that we, quote, unquote, already bought. And we certainly, at these levels, cannot afford to do that. If we continue to do that, and, you know, this kind of goes into another conversation that we've had before, Glenn, too. That central banks around the world who used to be our friends in support of the US being the world's reserve currency, used to just buy Treasuries, as kind of part of the deal here on an ongoing basis. Over the past 11 or so years, they have been net sellers of Treasuries. They have actually replaced that with gold on their balance sheet. So if we don't have central banks that will just buy Treasuries, whenever, because that's part of the geopolitical deal, that means you have to find people, who are, you know -- looking at the price. They're looking at the price of the treasuries. And basically, you know, at these levels, of even though, they've come off a little bit. And we can talk about that too.

But they're saying. Overall, they're saying, yeah, we're not going to do that. You know, we need to have a reprice here.

And, you know, when you don't have enough demand. You end up seeing our yields go higher. To the extent, they add you up too high. Which we were dangerously close to a few years ago. We've come off now.

If you hit that. That could end up causing a debt spiral.

End up causing a mismanagement.

Or not a mismanagement.

A throwing up, if you will, of the Treasury market. And have global implications. Let me explain this, so the average person understands what you just said.

You are -- you are wanting to buy a new house.

And the interest rates are up at 8 percent.

You say, honey, I don't think we should buy a new house.

The interest rate is too high.

And somebody says, historically not. Yeah. Historically, you might be right. But we're not buying in the 1980s right now. We're buying today, with our financial situation. So I don't think we're going to buy the house.

That's what a normal person would do. And you can start saving known buy a house later.

That's not what the government is doing. They're saying, let's buy the house at the high interest rates anyway.

But when you have poor credit, really good banks are going to say, no. I'm not going to take your loan.

That's what she's talking about with the central banks. They're like, I don't want it. I would rather buy gold.

Because I don't trust that you guys are ever going to get out of debt.

And so what happens? Loan sharks step in.

This is what she's saying about the yield going up. The loan sharks step in.

And they say, I can make this deal for you. It will cost you 12 percent.

You're like, 12 percent. That's outrageous.

You're going to do it, or you're not going to do it. What do you want?

So we're bigger ourselves with lone sharks. That's why, I believe, the president needs to say, tonight. Congress must pass a budget.

It must have cuts. I would love him to say, it must have a trillion dollars, bare minimum, of cuts. To show the rest of the world, that we're serious.

I don't know why Javier Milei can do these things, but we can't.

CAROL: However. However, however, Glenn, if we cut as we talked about, a trillion dollars. And we cut it up very carefully. And we don't choreograph it like Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, and then we don't have that in our GDP, then we have a shrunken economy. We're taking in less receipts, and we actually explode the deficit, which could end up in a debt spiral.

GLENN: Right.

CAROL: So, yes. Congress needs to do their part. But it needs to be done very surgically, and that's the ultimate challenge.

That's the mess that the Biden administration left for Trump.

GLENN: If I were king of the world today, and I could go in and say, Congress, this is what you're going to do.

I would say to them, you're going to cut a trillion dollars. Plus, you're going to pass a flat tax. Or 15-15-15. What the president has talked about. And you're going to cut 15 percent of all regulations. Cut them right now. And you're going to pass the REINS Act. That would change the dynamics of the economy.

Yes. We would have all of that spending going away from our GDP. From the government.

Good, but money would flow into our country, and jobs would be created.

And we would he go night the engine at the same time. That's what has to happen! But that's not going to be the president's fault, if it doesn't happen. What a surprise! It will be the lame ass G.O.P. that will screw this up.

He has to get them back on path. Back in just a second with Carol Roth with some good news.

GLENN: Okay. Is there anything else that we need to hit here, on the economy, before we get to some good news?

CAROL: I mean, this was probably going to be a whole other segment, at some point we need to have a discussion about the tariffs. It's probably not the time now.

GLENN: No. Okay.

CAROL: But we need to have a discussion about these tariffs.

GLENN: Okay. Let's do that now. Let's start there.

CAROL: All right. So basically, what did the American people hire Trump to do? Right?

They hired Trump to stabilize prices. To get things more normalized.

And, yes. We have these issues around the world. In terms of where we stand by trade.

However, as we have been talking about, we just talked about, this needs to be very surgical. We need to have Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers doing choreography. We don't need to have a bull in a China shop.

And the tariffs situation, given the precarious economic situation that Biden has left us. And the fact that the citizens of the United States want priced ability is absolutely maddening.

I understood Art of the Deal. I understood the first time around, that we're trying to put some pressure. Show who is the big dog, and people to come to the table. But now, we're going after our allies.

We're trying to kind of separate ourselves from China. Well, we have country. Companies who decided to move manufacturing from China to Mexico.

So that they could be more aligned with the United States and North America. And now we're putting these crazy tariffs on it. This is -- this is something that, frankly, nobody in any economic circle, that I know, understands the strategy.

GLENN: Okay. So here's. And it does not seem to be consistent with what I have been talking about.

GLENN: Okay. Donald Trump has been playing many different games all at once. And the strategy that comes with Canada and Mexico.

I don't think really has anything to do with the economy.

It has everything to do with the border.

He is saying, help us with the border.

Help stop the flow of illegals. Stop fentanyl. And recognize that your cartels are terror organizations. Work with us. If you don't want to. That's fine!

You will get a tariff. He's not saying, you know, we -- you're charging us too much for our milk. And not enough for your milk.

Or whatever. That is part of it. But that's not really what he's after, I believe, on the tariffs with Canada and Mexico!

CAROL: I agree. That was the first time, we tried this.

And he got them to the table. And now we need to have sort of a different situation. Because the reality is that, as you said, he's made huge strides.

We have a tiny fraction of the encounters at the border.

So that is moving in the right direction. But things like pricing ability. Is not necessarily moving in the right direction.

And to throw this into the mix, at a time that is so precarious from an economic situation. Even if that is the ultimate outcome, it seems like the wrong tactic to take, because the situation on the economic front is so volatile. Find another path to do that! That's all I'll have to say on that.

STU: Yeah. And just to back up Carol's point on the border, I mean, we're down -- this is the lowest month we've had in at least 25 years of border crossings.

GLENN: Since 1968 or something crazy like that.

STU: Yeah. The only other close month was April 2017. Right? After Trump came in the first time. But that was much more about just tone, and it did slow things down.

This seems to be backing up with action.
And, you know, I -- I tend to agree on the tariffs with Carol here.

GLENN: Yeah, I'm against tariffs. I'm for even playing field tariffs.

STU: But, again, and that is defensible logically. Not what's happening with Canada, with being in agreement. There's no tariffs.

It was his agreement. He designed it. And now he's putting the tariffs on.

GLENN: I know.

CAROL: That's going back with the surgical part, if it was something very specific, I could understand. But across-the-board, at these levels, seems really insane at this point.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

How to Find God in a Divided World | Max Lucado & Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

Watch Glenn Beck's FULL Interview with Max Lucado HERE

Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
(laughter)
So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

Transcript

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.