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Hilarity ensues over AOC’s garbage disposal freak out, then Twitter rides to the rescue

Glenn and Stu think they've solved the mystery behind Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's bizarre freak-out over her "terrifying" garbage disposal. But watch this video quick because Twitter is banning anyone who dares to poke fun at their socialist sweetheart.

“That Doesn’t Add Up”: Top Sniper Exposes the Biggest Holes in the Trump Shooting Narrative
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“That Doesn’t Add Up”: Top Sniper Exposes the Biggest Holes in the Trump Shooting Narrative

Dallas Alexander was part of the special operations unit that broke the world record for the longest confirmed sniper kill. He has also worked VIP protection at the highest levels. Now, he tells Glenn why he believes Trump's failed assassin didn't act alone: "someone on the 'inside' had to have helped with this." Dallas also explains how difficult this shot would be to make and why he has a hard time believing the rooftop used by the killer wasn’t marked by the Secret Service: “[Even] children who play Call of Duty or go to paintball would know that that roof is the most important position to secure, period.”

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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

As we say, hello, now to Dallas Alexander. He is a retired Canadian Special Forces sniper. He actually holds the record for the longest kill, and that is at 2.1 miles, which is remarkable. Just the amount of math involved in that, just hurts my head.

Dallas, welcome to the program.

DALLAS: Hey, thanks for having me.

GLENN: You bet. So you have said some pretty controversial things, and I -- I wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth. Because you do have experience in this.

You don't believe that this was just incompetence, on the Secret Service's side?

DALLAS: Yeah. That's right.

GLENN: Can you make the case?

DALLAS: Yeah. I think -- like you said, I have some experience. I -- I did that job for a long time. Close protection, and -- and protecting VIPs and stuff. Up to -- up to and including our Prime Minister in Canada, who is part of our job.

And I think at looking at the situation yesterday or the day before, rather, that the -- any -- any amount of tactical professional. I mean, I've seen videos. And there was I don't know how many on the ground, from police and Secret Service. And there was just -- there were too many people there, to not have the most obvious position covered. Like, I said this before, children who play Call of Duty or go to paintball, would know that that roof is the most important position. And that building is one of the most important buildings to secure, period.

Like, just not picking that up, is impossible.

GLENN: It seems impossible to me. But, you know, sometimes the impossible happens just through sheer incompetence.

So what are you -- in your world where you are -- you're just war gaming this, I think it's important for people to know, there's no evidence of anything yet, except questions and what the question Dallas just brought up, is 100 percent valid and needs to be answered to satisfactory. We have to know why they weren't watching that, if they weren't.

So what do you think would have happened?

DALLAS: Well, I think that -- and this is what I said on a video yesterday.

Is that -- and this isn't me pointing a finger at anyone in particular, or a party or an agency. But someone within like the inside, quote, unquote, had to have helped with this.

Like, you can't walk through layers of security like that, and then climb up a ladder, to the most obvious shooting position, and take a shot at, you know, the former president.

And maybe shoot your president. Like somewhere along that chain. You know, I think there's talk coming up, that he had a van. And there were explosives. Like, details are going to be crazy for a little while.

GLENN: Right.

DALLAS: But just from that, to having the shots happen, there had to have been someone who helped with that.

GLENN: Well, Dallas, they did say that this was not part of the -- not part of the secure location. This was an adjacent property.

So he didn't have to go through security to get the rifle there. But, again, you would have been -- if you're a Secret Service, you would have been at least -- if you're not covering that building, with bodies, and somebody up on there, you would at least be covering it with eyesight, would you not?

DALLAS: Yeah. Absolutely. And especially with a covered approach like that, being the building sloping away from the other sniper team or whatever, that could see it. It would be covered.

I saw that. Just it flashed on the screen. At a restaurant, I was in. And immediately, I'm like, the two most obvious things. That building and then the water tower in the background. And you don't need any special training for that.

And yet there were a bunch of people there with special training, and presumably leading up to days before.

JASON: Hey, Dallas, I'm Jason Buttrill, I'm Glenn's head writer and chief researcher. Can you explain from the sniper's perspective, especially in a situation like this, in close protection details, upon visual acquisition of an enemy sniper, does the countersniper have permission to immediately take action and fire, or do they have to go through like a long process of verifying and then getting permission and all of that?

DALLAS: Yes. So that very much depends on the department, what the ROEs are.

And I can't speak to the Secret Service when they're working with the police force. I have no idea. I know, in the jobs that I have done, if there's a sniper position, and I'm a countersniper. Sniper overwatch. Yeah. You're shooting. You're not waiting for someone to give you permission to shoot.

JASON: Can I ask, as a sniper overwatch, do you also -- are you focused on a specific pause, or are you kind of scanning the entire horizon?

DALLAS: Yeah. It sort of depends on the mission and how many other sniper teams there are.

So if you have a bunch of teams, you'll have areas of responsibility. If you are, you know, tasked with watching one specific doorway or something, then that's where you stay. It's mission dependent.

GLENN: Right. So, Dallas, let me ask you. There was a five-mile-an-hour wind.

This is, you know -- it looks like, by the grace of God, Donald Trump turned his head. A, how easy of a shot was this, for a 20-something. And how close did we come to losing a president?

DALLAS: Yeah. That's something, I've been thinking about for the last couple of days. It's crazy.

Because if it would have been just an inch or two the other way, I would -- I just would hate to think about what would happen. You know, in this country and the whole world. It would have been very crazy. But the shot, you know -- I was asking somebody about this yesterday. I haven't gotten confirmation on what the optics on the rifle are, which makes a big difference.

It's not generally a very hard shot. I mean, it's 150 yards roughly. It doesn't take much in training whatsoever, to be able to hit a head-sized target at 150 yards.

Wind definitely would play a factor. I think the caliber is .556. Even that, I'm not 100 percent sure.

It's not a -- it's not a difficult shot. But it's also not unmissable, you know. If he only has an EOTECH sight or something like that. You don't have a lot of gun training. It's not something that you will for sure hit.

Which is why maybe he said, I think it was five or eight rounds.

GLENN: Have you ever -- have you ever shot and had them dead in your sights, and they moved at the very last minute like this? How often does that happen?

DALLAS: Oh, from that range, that's pretty wild, I think. I was very surprised.

I think someone telling me yesterday, that they heard it was an EOTECH sight made a little more sense to me. Because if they had a scoped rifle, you know, with a magnification ten power or whatever, it would have been very -- a different shot. A lot easier to make. So...

GLENN: Dallas, thanks for your -- your weighing in on this.

I really hope that you're wrong. What are the questions that we should be demanding from our Secret Service?

DALLAS: Oh. Jeez. The breakdown, is crazy.

Like, there's so many layers to this. And it would be -- I don't even know who -- who started the planning. How long ago it was. But to miss something that obvious, again, there's just -- I don't think there's an explanation. I think you just need a deep dive investigation. I don't think competence -- and I worked in the government for a long time. So I know incompetence, and there's a ton of it.

I just don't think that -- that is what explains this problem away. I think something happened, and I think there needs to be, you know, a gigantic deep dive investigation. Because it's very, very shady.

GLENN: So you don't think that even incompetence would cover this? Because it's so obvious.

DALLAS: Yeah. I think -- you could take a 10-year-old out there and say, okay. Where do you want to plan security? What should we look at? And it will be a kid who played Call of Duty and tell you, this rooftop, right here is the most dangerous point. It's overlooking where the president is going to be speaking. Where the former president is going to be speaking. It's just it's cliché. It's so obvious.

That and the water tower.

GLENN: But it couldn't just be one person. If that was happening, it would have -- it would have to involve a team, wouldn't it?

Because you -- somebody else on the team would go, Bill, what the hell are you talking about? We've got to cover the roof.

DALLAS: That's what I mean. I'm saying, in all these videos, whether it's Secret Service agents or local police or whatever, is these are all tactical professionals. And even if their level of competence is low, it still doesn't matter.

That's such an obvious, basic thing. You could take a Navy cook or whatever, and he's going to go, oh, yeah, tactically speaking, we have to look at that thing.

So out of all the people on the ground. Out of all the people involved. It doesn't make any sense. That that one position. And the most important position arguably was not being watched.

And like a ladder. Somebody putting a ladder and climbing up. It doesn't make any sense.

GLENN: Well, apparently the ladder was attached to the building. So nobody had to bring a ladder.

Let me -- let me ask you.

The thing that bothers me is that all of the people on the ground were pointing and shouting shooter, shooter, shooter.

Is it possible that nobody heard that? That it didn't get up, to, you know -- to the guys. If you're a police officer or you're in Secret Service, wouldn't you radio that in, immediately?

DALLAS: Yeah. You would hope. This is the part of it, that I think could be -- you could point to incompetence.

I have seen communication breakdown when things get crazy. Radios not work.

Like I'm guessing all the agencies there. Whoever local police. And Secret Service.

They're probably not using the same radio and gear.

Probably someone passing down the message. In chaotic times, I've seen communication be poorly executed, to like a surprising level.

So that -- that part I could almost -- I could almost wrap my head around it being blamed on incompetence.

But I just think everything leading up to there being a guy with a gun on a roof, within essentially zeroing range of a rifle, to the president.

To me, that doesn't add up whatsoever.

GLENN: And they would have reported everything that was said, would they not?


DALLAS: I don't know what the SOPs (phonetic) are, actually, for Secret Service, and police.

The missions I've gone on, unless it's going to like a tactical center or something. Like on the ground, we were not recording our radio conversations.

GLENN: Hmm. Okay. Thank you so much, I appreciate it. No. I know. I know. I know. I know.

Thank you for pointing this out, and having us questions that really need to be answered. Dallas Alexander. Appreciate it. God bless. Stay safe.

DALLAS: Thanks for having me.

The Biggest Questions We Need Answered After the Trump Assassination Attempt
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The Biggest Questions We Need Answered After the Trump Assassination Attempt

There are still a lot of questions that need answers after the failed assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump. How did the shooter get past security and onto the roof? Did the Secret Service designate it as a prime possible sniping location? How was there a ladder there? Were there any guards at all? Why didn’t the police act sooner? Is it true that counter-snipers weren’t assigned to the rally until the day before?! What was up with Trump’s female Secret Service bodyguards? Is the head of the Secret Service – whose previous employment was at PepsiCo – qualified for the job? But there was one thing that should be clear: We came dangerously close to another JFK moment. Glenn notes that while President Biden and the media insist that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about the killer’s motives, it’s clear that he wanted to take out the likely GOP candidate for president.

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GLENN: So let me begin with the news.

On July 13th on Saturday, former President Donald Trump was targeted this an assassination attempt, during a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.

It occurred just after 6:10 p.m. while Trump was delivering a speech. Let me give you the time line. 6:10 gunfire erupted as Trump was speaking at the rally. Trump reacted immediately, crouched behind the lectern, as his Secret Service detail shielded him.

6:15 p.m. Secret Service identified and neutralized the shooter, his name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, who was firing from a rooftop, approximately 150 meters from the stage.

That makes that with a rifle, a very easy shot. 6:20, Trump was escorted off the stage, transported to a medical facility for a minor why are where he was treated and later released. 6:30, law enforcement began securing the area, and investigating the scene, finding additional explosive materials in Crook's car and at his home. President Biden then returned to Washington early, and political reactions to the incident started to emerge.

Now, here are the key details: The shooter was Thomas Matthew Crooks. He's 20 years old. From Bethel Park in Pennsylvania. He used an AR rifle. Managed to reach the rooftop of a nearby building unnoticed.

Hmm. That's not exactly true, according to those in the crowd. But at least unnoticed by Secret Service.

Reports suggest Crook had a complex political background being a registered Republican, but donating to a progressive PAC. We'll get into all of this in a minute.

The immediate response was a clown show. The Secret Service's counterresponse team responded swiftly, according to the facts.

Killing Crooks and preventing further harm. Did they, though?

The incident highlighted potential security lapses and the prompted calls for a thorough investigation into how Crooks could secure access, or to access a secured area, unnoticed by Secret Service, but noticed by the crowd.

Questions have also arisen about the effectiveness of the Secret Service measures, whether adequate precautions were in place. There are allegations and denials regarding the denial of additional security requests by Trump's campaign.

The political reactions are just sick. Now, those are the facts, as we know it.

Now, let me tie a few things together. If Trump would have been killed on Saturday, we would be at Civil War today.

We would have seen for the first time, the president's brains splattered on live television. And because of the details of this, I have a hard time thinking it wouldn't have been viewed as JFK 2.0. If you think that there were conspiracy theories on the grassy knoll. Let's look at this one.

How does someone sneak a rifle on to the grounds? How does someone even know that that building is there?

How is it that he was acting so weird and pacing in front of the metal detectors. They tried to follow him.

But oops. He got away.

How could the kid possibly even think that the highest ground at the venue wouldn't even be watched?

My first guess, would be, hey. That's the one place I shouldn't crawl up to with a rifle.

Because they're most definitely going to be there.

Why wasn't anyone there? Why wasn't anyone watching it?

Nobody except the shooter decided that the highest ground with the best view, and a handy ladder just happened to be there, was a great place to catch?

And nobody in the Secret Service, none of the drones, none of the things we pay millions of dollars for, none of that caught him?

How did he get a ladder there?

If the ladder was there, was it always there? Why is the ladder there?

They weld manhole covers closed. When a president drives down a road. How was there a ladder sitting around, ready to climb up on the highest ground at the venue, and the Secret Service failed to at least take it away?

There is plenty of video, and eyewitnesses. People were yelling, that there was a guy with a rifle, climbing up on a ladder to the roof, for at least 60 seconds.

More like 120 seconds.

Before the first shot was fired.

Why were the police just looking for him?

Why -- why were they just looking at him?

Why did the sniper have him in his sights for over a minute, before he took a shot? Why did a cop climb up the ladder to look around? When the guy pointed a gun at him, he then ducked down and came down off the ladder.

Did he call anyone, to warn?

Can we check to -- if the cop who climbed the ladder saw the shooter with the rifle.

Because this is the same story, that we had in Uvalde. Is he a Uvalde cop? Do we know?

How is it the Secret Service has a -- a body guard, literal body guard, who is a woman, that doesn't even reach Trump's nipples?

How is she going to guard the president's body? With hers?

How is it another female Secret Service agent pulled her gun out, a good four minutes too late?

Then looks around, not knowing what to do. And then couldn't get it back into the holster, because she's a Melissa McCarthy body double. I don't think it's a good idea to have Melissa McCarthy guarding the president.

Let me ask you this: Who trusts the FBI with the shooter's computer?

Will his hard drive get filed with the Nashville manifesto? How is it that they -- they almost didn't have snipers at all, but they got them, the day before the -- the rally, because everything was going to be put on Jill Biden.

I want Jill Biden safe.

I want Jill Biden to have what the first lady should have, for security.

But we are almost 40 trillion dollars in debt. You can't hire a few guys to make sure our candidates are safe?

How is it that we have a Secret Service director, whose experience is literally guarding two liters of Squirt and Spicy Doritos?

Did you know that's her background? Yeah. Yeah. She's in charge of the United States Treasury's secretary service, and her last job was head of security for Pepsi.

How is it they're allowing, you know, randos just to carry guns around the RNC convention now.

But, no. Really, Republicans are going to get the sternest letter written. It's going to be different this time. The letter is going to -- they'll underline stuff, and they will put bold sentences in. This is a game, and that's what makes this sick.

This is a joke. There are members in our country that actually thought that it was okay to post themselves screaming about how this guy was incompetent, how do you miss that shot?

Do you realize how close we came to another JFK? If the president hadn't have turned his head, at the exact moment, it would have gone into the center of his head. And we would be a different country today.

Now Joe Biden is also saying that we shouldn't make assumptions about the motive of the shooter. Well, I think we can assume one thing: He wanted to kill the Republican candidate for president. Can we agree on that at least? Can we assume that?

How can the media even think of blaming Trump for the rhetoric when the Democrats and the media constantly call him literally worse than Hitler, that must be stopped at all costs.

I just want to play some of the stuff that even we forgot about.

Booy who is on my staff, who is in charge of audio and video for my shows. I talked to her this morning, and she said, I even forgot how long ago this started. He was Hitler, who had to be stopped, even if it was an assassination, before he was even president, in 2015!

Former Atheist Comedian Jamie Kilstein's Biggest Struggle After Becoming a Christian
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Former Atheist Comedian Jamie Kilstein's Biggest Struggle After Becoming a Christian

"Being Christian is HARD, man," comedian Jamie Kilstein tells Glenn. When he left atheism to follow Christ, there were plenty of misconceptions he had to discover, starting with a common one: if you follow God's will, then everything will be easy! Jamie joins Glenn to discuss how he found the exact opposite to often be true. From getting married and losing all his money 2 days later to his "biggest struggle" (that involved an ill-fated game of duck-duck-goose), Jamie recounts his unexpected Christian journey. And his struggles with depression, victim mentality, and the thought that he was being punished didn't make it any easier. But he also tells Glenn why he isn't giving up ... after all, he didn't start following Jesus to make his life easier. He turned to Christianity for a much deeper reason. Plus, Jamie gives his take on Russell Brand's Christian conversion.

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GLENN: Hello, my friend. Jamie Kilstein. How are you?

JAMIE: Hi, buddy. That intro was very funny.

GLENN: Well, it's sad, kind of, isn't it? Because it's all true. You have had such an incredible life. And I'm telling you, Jamie. Your life will only get better. But you just -- it's hard at first.

JAMIE: It is. Yeah. It was easier, kind of not -- it was -- it was easier not being Christian. Being Christian is hard, man.

It's so hard. I was very happy. Just like blissfully torpedoing my life. And angrily tweeting that from Brooklyn back in the day.

This is difficult.

And then I go to my Christian friends for like help.

Like my famous pastor friend. And they'll always be like, yeah. Well, look at the apostles. They were in jail. They died. I'm like, cool. That's awful. I don't want that. I want a good -- was there any apostle that like did okay? It's not a good sell.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. I have the same thing. My pastor friends and everybody comes up to me and they'll say, you know, you've been speaking prophecy on what's coming.

And, you know, you find those people in the Bible.

I'm like, don't ever say that to me. Those people were all killed.

They all died!

JAMIE: Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. The main guy died.

GLENN: Yeah.
(laughter)
JAMIE: Like he came back. But he died. Yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. I guess it would -- I guess it should be a little more obvious that Christianity is tough, when that's the story, the selling point.

What's been the -- what's been the biggest struggle?

JAMIE: I mean, it's been all over the place. When I -- I mean, first of all, the week after I got baptized I got the worst injury I've ever gotten.

I've done Jiu-Jitsu and MMA for 20 years. Trained with UFC fighters. Wasn't that. I was volunteering at church playing Duck Duck Goose. And like, had to show the oddly good-looking guy volunteers that I was in charge. And so my hip shattered, and so I was out for a year.

GLENN: Oh, you're kidding me.

JAMIE: Oh, yeah, dude.

And I don't think I told this story on a podcast.

But I literally -- the worship band played at the end of the volunteer rally, and I'm standing there, and they're playing some Hallelujah song. And there's like tears in my eyes. And people must have been like, our new brother in Christ, is being moved by the Holy Spirit. And I'm like, my hip is broken. I don't have health insurance. I don't know what I will do.

So I hobbled out of there.

And then before I met my --

GLENN: You didn't tell anybody? You didn't tell anybody there?

JAMIE: No. Because I literally felt like -- I think I'm a level-headed guy. I'm an intelligent guy.

But when you become a Christian at 42, and you were never religious.

I feel like, I'm going through a lot of the struggles that other kids went through when they were like -- like, I'm asking the same questions 13-year-olds are asking when they're raised religious.

Like I'm going up to my pastor. Am I not allowed to go on the internet?

And it's -- because I'm just new.

So I literally thought that I'm being punished. And I'm not welcomed here. Why else would I get injured at church?

I mean, I thought I did the right thing. I got married in March. And two days later, lost all of my money.

I wish it was through a housing scam. So I could promote your guy's sponsor. But all gone. And it's like, every time I thought that I was doing it God's way. Something really bad would happen.

And, you know, look, you shouldn't go to Christianity, and I know we're going to talk about this.

But you shouldn't go to Christianity, for a click.

You shouldn't go to get things.

You know, it's want like you become a Christian. And like, all right. Jesus. Work your magic.

Everything will be good.

But I think because I've struggled so much with depression. And with not feeling like I fit this.

Or always feeling like a screwup.

When it stuff happened, sort of post-Christianity. I just go, oh, it's me.

Like not even Jesus can help.

And I think that's probably where -- Christians who struggle with mental health problems. That's probably where it can get worse, right?

Like, you can look to Jesus to take your anxiety. Fear.

And ask yourself, why is this happening? How can this better me as a person? Et cetera.

But when it goes the other way, it's so dangerous. Where you're like, oh, not even God likes me.

You know what I mean?

STU: So I have a friend. I did a podcast with him and his wife. They're an amazing couple.

He suffers from depression. Debilitating, like nobody I've ever seen.

JAMIE: Yeah.

GLENN: And he just can't do anything. He can't function. He's gone through all of that. Why me? God.

He's one of the most devout guys. Somehow or thorough. He's worked it out in his head.

I just have to tell you, Jamie. My first four years, really tough.

When you change as much as you have changed, it's tough.

It's -- I mean, because you're still paying for the past.

And, you know, you're still breaking all of these habits that were so engrained in you. That's fine to do.

And it's hard.

JAMIE: And I feel them coming back. Even the sort of victim mentality sort of stuff I used to do, on the left on Twitter.

I am now doing that with Jesus. Right?

I'm like, why me? And I hear myself saying it.

And I'm like, this isn't me. But that becomes an addiction. It becomes an addiction.

GLENN: Yeah, it does.

JAMIE: Depression can be an addiction, where you're just used to people going, how are you? Bad. Here's who screwed me over.

Here's why I'm in trouble. And then you get this little dopamine rush, because that's just the path you are used to.

And so people will say, well, give Jesus your -- your fears. Or your anxiety. And he can handle it.

You go, he's busy.

You start to have imposter syndrome.

With Jesus.

He doesn't want to hear this.

Like, my friends don't want to hear this at him.

Jesus doesn't need. Look what's happening in the Middle East.

He doesn't need. And I could use a paycheck.

GLENN: I have to tell you, Jamie, one of the big things I had with Roger Ailes, when I was at Fox, was, he said, you have to stop telling people to pray.

And I said, okay.

Stop talking about God. Stop telling people to pray

JAMIE: Whoa.

GLENN: And he said, God is busy on wars and things.

He doesn't need to hear everybody else's problems.

JAMIE: Wow.

GLENN: You know, I think that's not exactly the message of Christ. So I'm going to disregard that.

JAMIE: Yeah, man. How did you feel when you -- I'll have to have you on my podcast. The times when you -- when things have gone wrong for me in the past. A lot of that could be traced to mistakes that I was making. Right?

And not that I don't make mistakes every day. But when you started to course correct. And when you went on this path. And then you were getting hit with stuff.

Whether it was from your past or whatever.

That I find, is the hardest. Because when you're screwing up, and bad things happen. You're like, yeah. This tracks. This is my fault.

But when you are like, man, I am really crushing it. I'm volunteering. I'm the best husband I've been.

I'm the best all these things. Even the content I'm making. You know, it's still comedy. It's still philosophically. It's about Jesus, or whatever.

And I go, I'm doing it. And I'm being rewarded, and then when you get the rug pulled out of you, that's what's triggered my spirals recently.

GLENN: So, yeah. I have to tell you, this will come in time.

You begin to trust in him, so much, that you -- you -- you begin to focus on, wow. That wasn't helpful.

Jamie, right before we met, I was almost bankrupt. I had lost almost everything.

JAMIE: Whoa. I didn't know that.

GLENN: Because I had put all of my money into this. And it didn't look like it was going to work.

JAMIE: Right.

GLENN: And I knew that the Lord told me, to go out on our own.

Start this network, et cetera, et cetera.

And what I realized, two things. One, you know, if it was an error in it. It was my judgment error on being -- you know, doing it the right way.

Doing it his way.

The second thing is, my wife said to me. You know, he never promised, that this would go well or be easy. But -- but it will always lead us directly to where he wants us to be.

So even if you lose everything, gain you gain over a period of time.

I know that at our worst times. I know that everything will work out.

I had one of my kids, you know, was -- hang on just a second. Breaking news?

STU: Yeah. Sorry to interrupt, guys. We have a verdict in the Hunter Biden case. Just came out. Convicted on all counts. Faces 25 years in prison. All counts, convicted. Twenty-five years in prison, just came out just seconds ago.

So it's an interesting world we live in.

GLENN: There is a God.

JAMIE: I was going to say. Hunter is coming to Jesus! It is happening!

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He might find him now. He might find him now.

STU: Wow.

GLENN: Anyway, so, Jamie, I want to talk to you. Let me take a quick break. And I wanted to talk to you about people.

We just had Alex Jones on yesterday. And he said, you know, I'm a changed man.

JAMIE: Whoa.

GLENN: And Russell Brand, I'm a changed man. Me, I'm a changed man. You, I'm a changed man.

I've never expected people to believe me right away.

Because I had lied for so long, with my alcoholism.

I knew it was going to be a long time. But it does get frustrating, when you're like, no. I'm not that guy anymore!

Do you have any just on like Russell Brand's conversion.

And what you rook for in a person, because I'm told all the time.

I'm too easy on people, that say they've changed.

And I don't think so.

But I would like to hear your opinion. Hang on just a second.

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The host of the antipolitical political show. And the co-host of trauma bonding with Alex and Jamie. Jamie Kilstein.

So, Jamie, what are your just on that?

JAMIE: Yeah. So thank you for plugging the news shows, by the way.

GLENN: Sure.

JAMIE: I think that -- I think the word grifter can be really, really insidious.

I think it can be used against people, who have legitimately changed their minds on an issue. Oftentimes, for the best. Right?

So there are people who are laughing at Russell Brand. He's a drug addict, and then this. Yeah. Isn't that good? What kind of monster are you, that you would rather a celebrity kill himself with drugs than do something that is making himself a good person, whether you have clearly, you're projecting your church hurt.

And I'm sorry that happened. But like, we should be rooting for people to become better people. We should be rooting for people to become more nuanced.

The problem is, you know, I remember when I was an atheist. Sometimes you would see some politician, or something, and then, cheat on their wife. And do all these like scummy things. And then a week after the scandal, suddenly they already have a book called My Affair With Christ or something. And you're like, okay. This is clearly written by the PR person or something. Right?

But I think for the most part. I know with me. I deal with imposter syndrome really, really badly. And when I started coming on shows like this, people were like, oh, he's doing the right-wing grift.

And I was like, fellows, if I knew how to grift, I would have more money than I do. I wish I do.

But I remember when I found Jesus, I was like, oh, my gosh. For the first time, I don't care what people say.

Because it is something inside me. I know it's making me a better person. I don't need to defend Jesus. He's got it.

And so I think that, you know, when someone truly does find God, it doesn't need to turn into this sort of gossipy thing on the internet.

What I will say to Christians though, listening to this show. Is that we should be rooting.

If Jesus came back to look for apostles today. He's not taking no offense.

Like Joel Osteen or the Pope. Or people who are already sort of -- established religious people.

You know, when you look at --

GLENN: He didn't do it last time.

JAMIE: No, he took tax collectors. And sex workers. And all these people who were completely ostracized by the community.

GLENN: Imagine Paul, killing all the Christians. Oh, he's killing all the Christians, and what? He's now a Christian. That was a hard leap.

JAMIE: Yeah. There isn't even an equivalent, by the way, having Paul in your back pocket, is the best. Any time I feel like I screw up. I'm like, didn't kill Christians.
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JAMIE: But like, you look at, I mean, some people could look at Kat Von D, me, Russell Brand in the same year. I didn't even know the Alex Jones thing. And go, oh, it's happening. The apocalypse is happening. But also, I would so much rather go, oh, that's so good.

There's a reason -- one of the things that's really great about -- so Alex is my wife. And we did our first episode about trauma bonding this week. And we talk a lot about these faith struggles I've been having.

And one of the cool things about being independent. So that was inspiring to hear your story. Is we're doing the show, Independent.

And what's cool about it, is I don't have to speak as a Christian influencer.

I can legitimately. You know, I still curse.

I still talk about my mistakes in the past.

I still ask questions.

I still go, I don't get that part of the Bible.

Or I don't know this thing.

And while a lot of Christians may look at that. And think I'm doing a disservice.

If our job is to make disciples.

And love our neighbors. Then me being able to reach out to Russell Brand to. Russell Brand being able to reach out to spiritual people. Gay people. You know, all these people that aren't going to be walking into a megachurch, or maybe have been ostracized or pushed away by the church.

And we can bring that person to Jesus, in a way that your best pastor, who can quote theology, like that. Could!

That is a good thing.

And then let God handle it.

I'm not saying I will bring a bunch of people to Jesus as a comedian.

GLENN: Right. Right.

JAMIE: But I can open the door to people, who would never trust religious institutions, and then God will deal with the other stuff.

GLENN: I -- I will tell you, Jamie. I think you and your wife, now Alex. Who is shockingly not a man. Who would have seen that? Easily.

JAMIE: You know, all those conservatives were wrong. Vegetarian doesn't mean -- whatever.

GLENN: Yeah. You guys have a -- you guys have a very bright future, ahead of you.

And I agree, there's so many people searching, and there's nothing more powerful, than watching somebody discover truth.

And even when you're not there, you're like, oh, now. Wait a minute.

I haven't thought about it that way. There is nothing more powerful.

The most powerful teacher who thinks they have it all. Not as powerful as the guy who is honestly searching every day for truth to take you on that journey.

How the EU Could FORCE Americans to Follow ESG Rules
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How the EU Could FORCE Americans to Follow ESG Rules

The UN and the EU are using 2 "crises" to reshape the world: climate change and the threat of another global health emergency. But as a record number of people head to the polls this year, global elites are rushing to election-proof their plans. Glenn reviews a recent EU rule change that will force AMERICAN companies to comply with the European Union's ESG standards. But it won't just be giant corporations that have to prove their ESG compliance. Glenn and his head researcher Jason Buttrill head to the chalkboard to expose how EVERY company that's part of the "chain of activities" of these big businesses will also have to bend the knee. If you have a business that is in any way connected to one of these giants, you may soon find yourself facing a major choice: obey the EU or go out of business.