RADIOJanuary 06, 2025

Why Jesus “100 PERCENT” Walked on This Road

Archaeologists are currently excavating one of the most incredible Biblical discoveries ever made. The “Pilgrimage Road” was discovered underneath the modern buildings and streets of Jerusalem and it’s believed to have been the main road up from the pool of Siloam to the Second Temple. Glenn speaks with the City of David Foundation’s Director of International Affairs, Ze’ev Orenstein, who explains why he’s “100%” certain that the historical Jesus of Nazareth walked along this “Biblical superhighway” – not as a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. “It is the most significant half-mile on the planet,” he says. But yet, there are forces working to erase this Jewish history from the records …

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GLENN: Ze'ev Orenstein is with us, from the City of David Organization. He's the Director of International Affairs. And he's -- we're going to talk a little bit about the archaeology of what's going on in the City of David. How are you?

ZE'EV: Great to be with you.

GLENN: Yeah. Good to have you here.

So how far out of the city wall is the City of David, from -- most people don't. They've never been there. They don't realize how small all of Israel is. Let alone Jerusalem. So can you give us some scale first, of what we're talking about?

ZE'EV: So Israel itself is about the size of the okay state of New Jersey. It's -- we have about 10 million people living in Israel. Jerusalem is the largest city. Probably about a million people living in Jerusalem.

So Jerusalem, by US standards is -- is probably, not the biggest city.

GLENN: No.

ZE'EV: And yet, for billions of people. Not millions. When they wake up in the morning. They looked at Jerusalem as a source of meaning, faith, hope, identity, inspiration.

GLENN: Yeah. I can tell you, I've said this a million times. And I don't know if people can even begin to understand this.

Mu wife and I went to the first time. We went to the Temple Mount.

And you could almost feel. You could almost feel it.

And then we were all the way up at the border of Syria, past the sea of Galilee.

And I looked at my wife. And I said, it's like, it's pulsing. Can you feel the Temple Mount even here?

There's a reason. It's honestly like the polar. The pole goes right through the Temple Mount. And the world actually revolves around that. It's wild to feel it.

ZE'EV: 100 percent. Now, if you ask the average Jewish person, Christian person, close your eyes, and imagine biblical Jerusalem.

Tell me what you see. And you'll get answers like, I see the Western Wall. I see maybe the Stations of the Cross. Maybe the Church of Holy Sepulchre. The Garden Tomb. I see the old city of Jerusalem.

And all wonderful and good places, except none of them, at least when we're talking about the original Hebrew Bible, none of those places are in the Bible.

When you think of the places where the kings of the Bible ruled and the prophets of the Bible preached, you're talking about the City of David. The City of David is today located just outside the walls of the old city.

Now, most people think the walls of the old city, those iconic walls, they must be thousands of years old. They're only about 500 years old. Now, only.

GLENN: Wait. Wait.

The ancient walls around Jerusalem? 500 years?

ZE'EV: That's right.

Built by Sewemon (phonetic), during the Ottoman Period.

Right? Now, most people -- mostly 2,000, 3,000 years old.

Now, the walls of the Temple Mount. The western wall itself, the Southern Wall. The Southern steps. All of that is 2,000 years old, going back to the time of Jesus. But the wall around the old city of Jerusalem is only 500 hundred years old.

Now, if you're sitting here in America.
Wow, 500 years is a long time ago. Jerusalem, which is 4,000 years old, 500 years ago is like last week. We don't get overly excited by anything 500 years old. So what happened?

We lost Jerusalem. Everyone thought it was the old city, until about 150 years ago. 1867, Queen Victoria of England, she wants to discover the treasures of the Bible.

Like the Ark of the Covenant. She sends a man by the name of Captain Charles Warren to the holy land to find those treasures. He comes to Jerusalem.

He wants to excavate the Temple Mount, where the Temple of Solomon stood. The Biblical Mount Moriah, except in 1867, the Ottomans, the Muslims are there.

They say, Charles, we assure you are a great guy.

But you're not digging up the Temple Mount. To this day, due to religious sensitivities, political sensitivities, the Temple Mount has -- had almost no archaeologically activity.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Let me clarify this. They have Muslims, if I'm not mistaken, have been digging.

ZE'EV: That's not in archaeology.

GLENN: They've been digging it and putting -- putting it into dump trucks.

ZE'EV: They've been destroying it. But in terms of archaeology, with the goal of uncovering the heritage and history of Jerusalem. Uncovering the Biblical heritage of Jerusalem.

That hasn't taken place. The opposite. What the Islamic -- the religious trust on the Temple Mount, what they've done is the opposite of archaeology, with the goal of not uncovering and celebrating the heritage of Jerusalem, but actually destroying it.

GLENN: And there's actual archaeologists that sit through all this stuff.

ZE'EV: To this day, you have archeologists and volunteers were able to go through and sift through the hundreds and hundreds of truckloads of earth, that were removed from the Temple Mount by the Islamic religious trust, in the late 1990s. Dumped in garbage dumps. And when you're sifting through this earth. You will find next to 2000-year-old coins, potato chip wrappers. Coke cans. Why?

Because it's all jumbled together now.

GLENN: Oh, my God.

ZE'EV: They have no --

GLENN: They do. I mean, we have no idea what --

ZE'EV: So the pretense was they wanted to build an emergency exit on the Temple Mount.

There's a very large subterranean mosque known as the Marwani Mosque beneath the Temple Mount, beneath the area known as Solomon's stables. One of the most beautiful parts of --

GLENN: Underneath that?

ZE'EV: Underneath that. The southern end of the Temple Mount. They hallowed it out. And they built this subterranean mosque. Then they said, well, now we have this mosque there.

We need to build an emergency exit. And they used the legitimacy of building an emergency exit, to build in bulldozers and dump trucks, and massive machinery.

One of the most famous Israeli archeologists, he said, if you use a toothbrush on the Temple Mount, that's probably heavy machinery. They used bulldozers and dump trucks.

And they took tons and tons and tons of earth. And through it in the garbage.

And they said, why?

The answer is very simple.

What they're trying to hide is that the Jewish people. By extension, Christians have been in Jerusalem for thousands of years.

If they can destroy that history. Destroy that hernial.

Well, then they can go along with those claims. That Israel is colonizing power, that has no history, no heritage in the land of Israel or in Jerusalem. They are seeking to rewrite history.

To erase the Judeo-Christian heritage from Jerusalem. In fact, the United Nations passed a resolution a couple years ago, saying the Temple Mount and Western Wall, are exclusively Islamic holy places.

GLENN: What?

ZE'EV: And they go on to say and condemn all the archaeological excavations in Jerusalem. Now you might say, how on earth can anyone say such a thing?

That Jews and Christians have no heritage in Jerusalem, condemn the archaeology, why would they say that?

But the answer is very simple. If the story that you want to tell about Jerusalem is an exclusively Islamic story, then you will hate a place like the city of David, one of the most archeologically excavated sites in the world, because every single day, we're unearthing antiquities, fancy word for old stuff.

That show not simply as a matter of faith, but as a matter of fact, that Jerusalem's Biblical heritage is true. That the connection that Jews and Christians have with Jerusalem, the foundations of the United States of America. That the Judeo Christian heritage. That it's built upon. Comes from Jerusalem. That it's real. And that is a nightmare to them.

GLENN: So last time you were on, I think we talked about the pool of Bethesda. Ask this is where Jesus healed the man who had been waiting for a miracle at the pool.

ZE'EV: Right. The pool of Siloam. The southern end of the city of David. Which up until 2004, was totally covered up.

GLENN: Do we even know that that was kind of where it was.

ZE'EV: We know 100 percent that's where it was.

GLENN: No. No. No. Then. When we started the archeological dig that we didn't know.

ZE'EV: No. They say hindsight is 2020. Obviously now, we say, of course, we knew that's where it was.

Back then, 2004, it's all covered up. There's a road above it. There's a sewage pipe below.

And only because of a busted sewage pipe, we have a teaching in our faith, that says God has many miracles.

The reason we found one of the most significant Bible heritage sites in all of Jerusalem. The pool of Siloam, with deep significance to Christians and Jews alike, was because of a busted sewage pipe. And that of course leads to another discovery.

Because the pool of Siloam, was the place where before going back up to the Temple, on Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, Pilgrimage Festivals. You have to cleanse yourself. Wash, cleanse, bathe. In the Christian Scriptures, the story of the healing of the blind man, also, pool of Siloam.

And so the archaeologists said, well, if we know where the pool is, at the Southern end at the city of David, the place where Jerusalem began. How did the millions of pilgrims get from the pool all the way to the temple on the Temple Mount?

They widened their excavation, and they ended up discovering what's known as the Pilgrimage Road, the road that our ancestors, yours and mine. Jews and Christians alike, would have walked on, 2,000 years ago when they went on pilgrimage up to the temple, on the Temple Mount.

GLENN: So the road would go right directly from that pool. Right to --

ZE'EV: That's right. The temple. I call it the Biblical superhighway.

Anywhere you wanted to go in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, that road would take you there.

And I've been asked many, many times. What are the chances Jesus walked on that road?

GLENN: Got to be 100 percent.

ZE'EV: Yeah. I say, conservatively speaking you're talking about 100 percent. So how do you know? Well, the answer is really very simple. If you believe there was a historic Jesus 2,000 years ago, in Jerusalem. Well, he was Jewish.

He went with all the Jews, down to cleanse at the pool of Siloam, at the southern end of the City of David. He would have then walked up from the pool, along the Pilgrimage Road, along the half mile journey, up to the Temple, on the Temple Mount.

The pool of Siloam, that we're excavating as we speak, in the city of David today, is 100 percent the same pool of Siloam from 2,000 years ago, and the time of Jesus. The Pilgrimage Road, that archaeologists from the Israel antiquities authority are excavating as we speak today. 100 percent the same Pilgrimage Road.

Same Temple Mount. Same city of David. Not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. It's real. You can see it. You can touch it.

You can walk on it. It's the most significant half mile on the planet.

There's no half mile, that means more people anywhere in the world, than the city of David.

GLENN: So when it -- it comes to the temple, does it come to Solomon's Stairs?

And it's got to be below. I mean, you excavated. How deep down did you have to dig to find the road?

ZE'EV: So the pilgrimage road itself runs up the length of the city of David. It comes out on the southwest corner of the Temple Mount.

So now what happens, it then splits off. When it gets to the southwestern corner, there's one branch that goes off to the east, which comes out by the Southern Steps. Again, another site with deep significance for Jews and Christians alike.

And then the other part, when it gets to the southwest corner. Keeps going north along the Western Wall. And that became the main thoroughfare. In fact, when a person stands at the southwest corner of the Temple Mount, you can see the remnants of a massive staircase, that would have taken the pilgrims up into the temple.

It's still there. You can seat remnants of that staircase. So this was the main thoroughfare. Where everyone is gathering. Now, today, the pilgrimage road, or the vast majority of it, is about 60 feet underground.

Now, if this was the United States. What would happen?

You know, if I go to Gettysburg today.

How many people are buried on the battlefield. How many people live today on the battlefield of Gettysburg?

Nobody. Right?

One of the most significant American heritage sites. So in Jerusalem, you would say, well, city of David, not just for millions.

But billions of people around the world.

What should we do? Two words. Eminent to main. Except, in this part of Jerusalem. We don't do that. And so the challenge is, how do you on the one hand, respect the modern day city of David and the people who live there today?

And at the same time, uncover all the heritage with significance to billions of people, around the world, and give access to all those who want to see it themselves. And the answer is, with a lot of sensitivity.

That's why the city of David is only 11 acres in size. We only excavated one-third of the site to date. Over the last 115 years.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. So it's mainly with buildings and roads and everything above it?

ZE'EV: Above it. So you're literally trying to have the best of both worlds. Respect the modern. Uncover the ancient.

And that's why so much of the work has to be done with the utmost sensitivity. And the highest of standards. Because you can't afford any mistakes. You can't afford occasion --

GLENN: You're not getting Elon Musk with his Boring machine.

And everything has to be. You're talking about small tools.

Lots of engineering to support everything that's up above.

But I have the privilege of hosting members of the Navy SEALs. Along the pilgrimage road.

And they were based out of Coronado on the west coast. And they said, well, how does this all get covered up?

And they said, well, you know, it's really simple.

You have one time period. Someone comes and conquers it. They build on top of it.

Another one conquers them, builds on top of that. Throw some earthquakes in there. You kind of get all these layers. Just to bring it closer to home. You guys are out there in California. I said, if you dug down beneath your homes, you would probably find, that once upon a time, there was some Native Americans living there.

If you kept digging, you might find that once upon a time, there were some Republicans living there.

GLENN: I doubt that. I doubt that. It's Seattle. Seattle has a Seattle underground. And they just built on top of it.

ZE'EV: Yeah. So in ancient times, they built into the sky. Today, we have to take into account. There is a modern day neighborhood. But neighborhood is preserved. But we are uncovering that heritage.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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