RADIODecember 17, 2024

Will Justin Trudeau RESIGN Because of Trump’s Tariff Threat?

Rumor has it that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will resign soon. Does this have anything to do with Donald Trump’s threat to hit Canada with heavy tariffs if it doesn’t get its border under control? Glenn speaks with ‪@RebelNewsOnline‬ founder Ezra Levant, who lays out why Canadians are DONE with Trudeau – in fact, he only has 11% approval according to a new poll! They also review the resignation of Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, who was behind the financial attacks against the trucker protesters. Plus, Ezra gives his take on the possible next Prime Minister, conservative leader Pierre Poilievre.

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GLENN: So I want to take you up to almost where Santa lives, in a place almost just as imaginative as Santa land. It's called Canada. Where Justin Trudeau has been just a military jacket away from being more like his dad in Cuba.

But it's falling apart in Canada. His finance minister, which is the number two position, walked out. He said, I -- you know, I want to do another role for you. And she said, the only viable thing is, if I leave, the cabinet. This is the woman who shut down all of the social media gift-giving services. And was freezing people's bank accounts during the trucker strike.

She's also the one that does all of the trade deals, between the United States and Canada.

Gee, I wonder what she's worried about.

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau has just been giving away all kinds of monies.

He's got a sales tax holiday for Canadians, and sending checks to Canadians that need it.

Right now, during the Christmas season. And he's also a -- you know, some -- some other things that are -- people aren't real, real happy about.

Is his reign over?

Or is he going to be elected to a fourth term?

I made a prediction today. And I know nothing about Canada.

Today may be his last day.

It's that close!

GLENN: Hero, really, of the Canadian people.

Ezra Levant.

Hello, Ezra.

EZRA: Glenn, it's great to talk to you today.

I heard your introduction about Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister. She's much more than that. It would be like Dick Cheney was to George Bush Jr.

I mean, the everything fixer. Totally involved in all the files.

That was Chrystia Freeland. And she quit yesterday, and she timed her leaving to detonate the morning she was supposed to deliver a mini budget.

So that whole thing was thrown in -- you know, into a mess.

GLENN: And basically, didn't she say that because we're -- we're spending all of our money. And we have to stop, because we might get into a trade war with America.

EZRA: She did. And in her resignation letter.

Which she published. She accused Trudeau of being a narcissist. Of being in it for himself. She didn't use the word narcissist. But she said, we have to think about more than just ourselves. We have to think about the country.

She accused him of, quote, political gimmicks.

And the thing is, she was his right-hand woman since the very beginning.

And I want to tell you one more thing about Christie free LAN.

She's on the board of trustees. Of the World Economic Forum.

And what was her job right before she became a member of parliament to join Trudeau?

You're not going to believe me.

She was the authorized biographer, of George Soros.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: So the deputy prime minister and finance minister -- but really, the everything minister of Canada. She was like I say, like Dick Cheney to George Bush. She was the right-hand man on every file.

GLENN: So was she more of the architect of this, or is Trudeau capable of doing it?

What I'm asking, is Trudeau more of a Biden, and she's more of an Obama?

Or is it Dick Cheney and George W. Bush?

EZRA: Trudeau loves the sizzle of being Prime Minister. He loves the adulation.

It's hard to come by. So, for instance, he went to the recent Taylor Swift concert and he exchanged friendship bracelets with teenage girls. That's his marketplace.

Everyone else shouts at him.

GLENN: Wow.

EZRA: So he -- he was never a policy guy.

He would leave that to the grownups.

And Chrystia Freeland and George Soros would fill that void. And I'm not just saying George Soros as a throwaway line.

A few years ago, Canada signed a contract with the Open Societies Foundation to draft our refugee policy.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh!

EZRA: So this is not a rumor.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: He literally outsourced -- so Chrystia Freeland departing is an enormous blow.

But, look, Canadians are -- can hardly wait to get rid of Trudeau. I don't want to sound overconfident. But the conservative opposition leadership. His name is Pierre Poilievre. He's excellent.

He's -- he's way out ahead in the polls.
Remember, we have a multi-party system. So there's about five parties in parliament.

The conservatives are at 43. Now, I know that may sound low in an American party system.

When you've got five parties, 43 percent means you will have a massive victory. And last night, after Chrystia Freeland detonated Trudeau and quit, there was a pollster that went into the field immediately. And his results are just being posted. Only 11 percent of Canadians approve of Trudeau, 11 percent. It's going to be a massacre.

Last factoid.

GLENN: This is happy news. This is really happy news.

EZRA: It is good news.

While everyone was focused on the intrigues in Ottawa, there was a special election in the province of British Columbia, from one of these members of parliament. And the conservatives, led by Pierre Poilievre.

Got 66 percent in the local district.

GLENN: In Vancouver BC?

EZRA: In the -- not in Vancouver proper, but nearby.

So in BC, which is sort of like Washington States, it's a little bit hippie.

GLENN: A little bit?

EZRA: Yeah.

Glenn, I have to tell you, people of every background, according to the pollsters, men and women. Young and old, and minorities. They all want Trudeau gone, which is so interesting.

Because he came to power, as the woke guy, who --

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

EZRA: You know, I'm a male feminist. He said. Et cetera.

Canadians are finally done with it. We just need that moment where we get to go to vote.

STU: Ezra, I hate to simplify your country's politics this way. Glenn, with the apple guy.

The member of the viral video, where he was just sitting and answering questions. That's the guy.

GLENN: I love that guy.

STU: Yes. I think everybody in America who saw that video loves this guy.

GLENN: Oh, I love that guy.

EZRA: That apple eating thing, give me 30 seconds on that. You know, he was answering questions from a left-wing journalist, while casually eating an apple.

GLENN: I loved it.

EZRA: Whenever the journalists would say, well, people say you're like Trump. And he would say, what people?

And what did they say?

And he just did this a bunch of times. Proving that the journalist was just, you know, taking cheap shots.

And when he said people say, he was just saying, I say.

It was masterful.

And why -- there was no real policy talked about.

The reason that was important, Glenn. Is because it shows the pure -- it has a Trump-like disdain for journalism.

Why is that important?

Because too many Canadian conservatives are so worried about what the media will say about them, they respond to the pure pressure of journalism.

They want to give an answer that the journalist wants. Poilievre is not afraid to look at our version of CNN in the eyes.

And say, you know, I -- and attack them. And insult them, and poke back.

So I know, if he's elected Prime Minister. That he will be largely immune, to the mean girls club. Or the media party.

GLENN: And that's saying something.

Because you have the CBC. That's like our PBS. Except, that's the main -- I mean, they control the -- they are the CNN. NBC. ABC. They're everything up there.

EZRA: They're larger than all other media combined. Our state broadcaster has more journalists than every other media company combined. You can imagine how that really could distort the national conversation.

Plus, a lot of Canadians get their info through social media. Which is why Trudeau's introduced legislation that would criminalize, including with a life in prison. There's a -- Trudeau has introduced a bill.

Called C63.

That has a life in prison component. For, quote, hate crimes.

Including hate speech.

That's one of the reasons Jordan Peterson cited for moving into America.

This bill C63.

And we will fight that bill, if it becomes law.

The way things are looking. I think Trudeau may not last long enough to make it into law.

GLENN: So what happened?

I mean, parliamentary systems are so weird. You can call it an election at any time.

Which is kind of weird.

But does he have to call for one. Or does he have to step down?

Can there be a vote of no confidence?

What happens next?

VOICE: Well, he only has a minority in our parliament. He's propped up by a hardcore Socialist Party, called the MVP. The new Democrats.

GLENN: Right.

And didn't they just come out and pretty much say, we're done with you?

VOICE: No, it's trickier. They said, we demand Trudeau resign!

And then when they said, will you vote nonconfidence with him?

They refused to. They lining to pretend they're against Trudeau. They have never -- so if -- Trudeau is the master of his own destiny. As long as no one has the courage to push him out.

And if there was a non-confidence vote, he could be thrown out, and an election would be forced.

But I don't think his critics have the courage to do that. I don't think they have the numbers. And look, these polls are so awful, Glenn.

A lot of the liberals who are sick of Trudeau, and worried he's painting things.

They know they will lose, whether the election is now or in six months.

So why not drag it out for six more months?

Get paid. Enjoy their power. Run things a little longer. If you're a liberal MP and you know you will lose the next election, why wouldn't you at least stretch it out, three, six, nine months, to get as much from the -- from your job as possible. Get as much money, power, influence. I think the liberals will be smashed, but Trudeau will probably -- listen. He is stubborn. And he is a fighter.

I've never seen him apologize. I've never seen him quit.

He has a lot of flaws.

But tenacity is not one of them.

GLENN: How much of a role did the election of Donald Trump play in this?

Are you guys just -- right just behind us on what's happening here in America?

ANN: That's such a great question.

In a way, a Trump tweet started the dominoes falling.

GLENN: I knew it. I knew it.

ANN: About a month ago. About a month ago, Trump tweeted, 25 percent tariffs on Mexico and Canada. If they don't seal their borders.

Stop the illegal drugs. Stop the illegal immigrants.

So it was -- and Mexico immediately got on the phone.

GLENN: Yeah. Hang on just a second.

Why did -- why does Canada have such a hard time with that?

Just, we need to you enforce your laws.

That's all we need!

EZRA: And Pierre Poilievre, the conservative thing said, look, I don't want to do those things because Donald Trump tells me to. I want to do those things because it's in Canadian interest.

And Trump is worried about fentanyl coming through Canada into the states.

Well, Canadians should be worried about that too. In fact, we are.

We have had a huge crime wave under Trudeau. So the smart, grown-up answer is okay. Trump is asking sort of roughly, like he's being a little bit -- he's got that.

GLENN: Yeah. He's Donald Trump.

ANN: He's walking softly, but carrying a big stick. Deal with him.

He's not asking Canadians for anything that we don't want.

Just do it.

But instead, one more thing at you, Glenn.

Here's my theory of why Trudeau is fighting.

As I mentioned. Trudeau is so low in the polls.

And this conservative leader is so high.

But what if Trudeau could flip it. And instead of running against Pierre Poilievre, the conservative leader. What if Trudeau would say, I'm running against Trump?

Because Trump is not that popular in Canada. Because the media has bashed him for two years.

GLENN: He needed that too.

EZRA: What if Trump -- it's even worse up here. It's even worse up here.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

EZRA: But one more move, what if Trump actually implements the tariff on Canada. It hurts our economy.

So now Trudeau can say, this terrible economy is not my fault. It's trump's fault.

Vote for me, if you want to stand up to Trump. Vote for me if you don't like Trump. Vote for me.

GLENN: That's great strategy!

EZRA: I think Trudeau is willing to sacrifice Canada's economy, for this desperate chance to run and win again. That's my theory at least.

GLENN: You know what, to me, that makes sense.

And, you know what, honestly, to understand Donald Trump, you have to understand, he never -- when he's negotiating.

He never threatens.

He's never threatening.

He just makes promises.

If you do this, I'll do that.

If you do this, I'll do that.

And he will!

He will!

So he's not threatening. Just making promises.

EZRA: Well, and why wouldn't Canada say, all right. You've got our attention.

We agree, you've got a border problem.

By the way, it goes both ways. When Trump will deport a large amount of illegal migrants.

Some of them will say, oh, we better come into Canada because there's such a soft touch.

So we -- we have an interest in having a strong border. Because we don't want all the folks Trump is going to deport, including those who committed crimes.

GLENN: Correct, and those who will self-deport. Self-deport.

Yeah. All those Haitians, they are going to want to go to Montreal, a French-speaking city, rather than go back to Haiti. Wouldn't you?

We need a strong border, also.

Trudeau would rather fight with Trump, for the media kudos and then actually fix a problem. It's his last desperate chance.

But, you know what, I hope Canada comes back, and the Trump revolution. It's not just a political and economic one.

It's a freedom revolution.

Free speech. Elon Musk.

RFK Jr. Basically, rebuking the COVID mentality.

Hopefully some of that freedom will slosh into the border into us, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah. One last thing. And we both have to run.

You have one in every 20 persons, now. Selecting suicide.

And more women are electing for euthanasia. Than -- than men are.

I mean, this is getting way out of control, euthanasia in Canada. Isn't it?

EZRA: And our Veterans Affairs department is suggest euthanasia for soldiers who have PTSD. If you say you're depressed, they will literally use that as a reason to give -- they call it MAID. Medical Assistance In Dying.

It's the new word for euthanasia. Canada is now ahead of the Netherlands for this.

Partly it's socialized medicine. Because if you kill someone, they won't cost 100 grand a year on intensive care. Part of it is also the war on the concept of life.

Trudeau is an absolutist for abortion. And this is an extension of sort of what eugenics approach.

It's dark days for those who value life in Canada, Glenn.

GLENN: I hope your theory is absolutely wrong.

But I've watched you long enough to know. Your theory is probably right.

I hope you're wrong though.

Thank you so much, Ezra.

EZRA: Thanks, Glenn. Buh-bye.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

Max Lucado & Glenn Beck: Finding unity in faith

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

Watch Glenn Beck's FULL Interview with Max Lucado HERE

Confronting evil: Bill O'Reilly's insight on Charlie Kirk's enduring legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
(laughter)
So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

The difference between debate and celebrating death

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.