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‘Our jaws DROPPED’: Why Kari Lake waited 11 months to release alleged bribery tape

A leaked recording between Kari Lake and Arizona GOP Chairman Jeff DeWit shocked the nation, but it also left a lot of questions unanswered. Did Lake record and leak this tape? Why did she feel the need to record it? Does she have other recordings, as DeWit accused her of in his resignation letter? Does she have any idea who the powerful people “back east” are? And why did she wait 11 months to release this audio? Kari Lake joins Glenn to address all these questions and more.

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GLENN: Welcome to the program, Kari Lake. How are you?

KARI: Hello, I'm doing great.

GLENN: Are you?

KARI: Yes, it has been a pretty good week.

GLENN: Oh, I bet it has been. And arrows are coming your way, everywhere. So, first of all --

KARI: You know what, actually no. I think -- I think a lot of love is coming my way from the people. Arrows have been coming my way for a long time.

The people are just exactly fed up, and they're -- they know this stuff is going on. And I think it just verified that they're not wrong.

This is not the kind of world they're living in. The corrupt world they're living in, in Washington, DC, and in politics.

GLENN: Right.

So -- so let's start kind of at the beginning.

This guy was a friend and a coworker. He claims that we were friends. We were just having conversations.

Do you record all of your conversations, or is there a reason why you had this conversation taped. Did he do it before.

Yeah. Go ahead.

KARI: So why would I record this?

Well, it was about two or three in the afternoon.

And I got a call. From Jeff DeWit. Who was a chairman of the Republican Party. And he said, hey. What are you doing? I have to come and talk to you. I said, I'm a little busy right now.

I'm actually packing for CPAC. I think you might have been at that CPAC, and finishing up my book.

I don't have a lot of time. And you said, well, I'm right in your neighborhood. I will be there in five minutes.

What I have to talk to you about, I have to do in person.

GLENN: Hmm.

KARI: And I said, Jeff, at this point, a lot of people knew -- there was speculation I was going to run for Senate. And I said, if you're trying to talk me out of running for Senate.

And I knew he had some friends who didn't want me to run for Senate. You know, I'm not going to entertain that. And he said, no, no, no, no. Just, I have to come over.

But I can't do it on the phone.

What I have to talk to you about, and I just got a bad feeling about it. I thought, is there going to be a threat?

Why does he have to come to my door and talk to me?

GLENN: I know I would record that conversation as well.

KARI: That's why I recorded it. I just thought, if he's going to threaten me, I need to have this on recording. I never even listened to it back, until this week.

I just said, okay. Go ahead.

GLENN: Okay. So wait a minute.

Had he -- because his resignation letter was bizarre. If I wasn't doing things -- I mean, I've had all kinds of conversations with Stu. But this is what I do, this is what I believe in, and if Stu said, I've got some tape. And, you know, I'm going to expose it. I would be like, I would come on and say, go ahead. Expose it.

We had many conversations, some of them were difficult conversations.

But none of them were unethical or illegal or anything like that. Why would he resign and say, I'm resigning because of her threat, that she's got more tapes.

Do you have more tapes, and did he do other things like this?

KARI: No. I don't -- I don't have more tapes, and that is what is so disturbing about. That he thinks, his behavior is so unethical. That he thinks there's worse stuff out there.

GLENN: Wow.

So you never said that you had more tapes to release? You never gave that threat to him?

KARI: I haven't talked to him, returned any calls. Even texted him in a long time. And this is a bunch of BS. He's saying that I blackmailed him.

I didn't even tell him I'm putting it out. Usually, if there's a blackmail situation, you say, this is going out, if you do that. He didn't even know. Until the media contacted him for comment, you know, he didn't know it was going out. But the fact that he behaves in a way, that he thinks -- I think the response he said, was there's more damaging video out there. Damaging stuff out there. And I'm like, what could be more damaging than a bribery? I mean, what's the heck is going on with this guy?

GLENN: Yeah. So I said when this tape came out. I was really angry, and I said, not other guy should go to the G.O.P. This guy should resign.

If this is illegal, this should be arrested. Anybody involved. If it isn't illegal, it should be illegal.

And I said, it's not just about this guy in Arizona. The most important thing to me, was that a call came from back east.

And the way he said it, it was very knowing.

Do you -- and you don't have to give any names, because if you do, you're going to -- you can get in trouble for slander or whatever.

You know, unless you have something to back it up. Do you have a pretty good idea of who he meant by back east.

KARI: Sure. I don't know.

I mean, I've thought about it long and hard. I've got some guesses that I could make, but I'm not going to do that.

The sad thing though, Glenn, is you can sit there for hours and think about it, and come up with a list of 300, 400, maybe 500 people or groups or organizations, that it could be.

And it says a lot about the state of our government, the state of our political situation.

GLENN: Yes.

KARI: You know, it could be so many different people, it shows you how corrupt Washington, DC, is.

GLENN: Okay. So is anybody -- has anybody reached out to you, from back east, to say, hey, we got to get to the bottom of this? Anybody from the G.O.P.? Nobody?

KARI: No. Nobody from the G.O.P.

I've had some great people reach out to me. Senators who I think are fantastic. Who said, oh, my gosh. You know, we can't wait to get you in the Senate. We need somebody who isn't bought and paid for and influenced.

And you would think, Glenn. And I appreciate you having me on. We've had some great interviews already on this.

But the mainstream media. By the way, I went public of this, within 24 hours. I went public. I flew out of town. Went to CPAC. Changed my entire speech.

And I just talked about this. I said, I got bribed by a pretty big political person to stay out of politics. You know, basically, offering me, how much would it take to make you stay out?

And I brought -- my whole speech I kind of wrapped around this. And the mainstream media didn't reach out and say, who bribed you? What?

GLENN: Can I tell you something, Kari.

I mean, I've had those things before. I've had things like this happen to me before, and I've referenced them.

But I didn't have a tape.

Why did you not -- because I would have had you on the next day, had I thought that you had proof of it. And maybe -- it was just me for dropping the ball here.

Why did you wait for the tape to be released, or to say, I have a tape of it?

KARI: Well, I didn't want to release anything. And I also didn't listen to anything.

I taped it, because I was afraid there was going to be a physical threat. And when there wasn't. I just kind of put that file away, when never even dealt with it. But I felt like going public with it, the next day, or the next hour, when I went on the CPAC stage. And since then -- again, this was 11 months ago.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

I was there. I heard you, and it didn't occur to me, to ask you if you have evidence of it, and I'm sorry. I should have.

KARI: No. That's okay.

GLENN: Well.

KARI: But I didn't listen to it, until this week. I mean, went, oh, my gosh. I have a recording of that. And I was eating dinner with my husband. My daughter was eating dinner with us.

And I happened to -- I tracked it down, and found it. Hit play while we were eating dinner. And literally, as vivid as I recalled it, I think when I did my speech at CPAC, I described it pretty well. Our jaws dropped to the floor. We were shocked. I went, oh, my gosh. This is so much worse, than I even remembered it being.

And my daughter was shocked. She said, tell me that guy does not work in politics anymore.

I said, he heads up the Arizona G.O.P.

And she said, what are you going to do about it, mom. And I thought. I didn't really want to put that out. But how disappointing, when your kids hear something like that. And you just sit on it.

GLENN: Well, I will tell you, you won a primary, did you not?

KARI: In the -- in the governor's race, yes.

GLENN: Yeah. No, not -- primary happens when, in Arizona?

KARI: In August.

GLENN: Oh, jeez.

KARI: I'm up 40 points against the competitor.

GLENN: How many points?

KARI: Depending on the poll, 30 or 40 points, so not really --

GLENN: So here's the amazing thing, that somebody back east. Powerful people, really want you to go away. They don't want you in the Senate.

I know that there's a big Senate fund. And I'm not making any accusations. But I know there's a big Senate fund, that is -- that the G.O.P. has, that is controlled by one individual.

Who does have a -- a pattern of supporting people that are not MAGA, at any cost. Even if it means we lose a Senate race.

And they're not going to get behind you. First of all, if you're leading by 30 or 40 points, then you're the obvious candidate, let the people of Arizona decide.

But you should be getting support from the G.O.P.

And if somebody is -- is trashing our system. And they are offering bribes so people go away.

That all has to be exposed.

I can't call out corruption on the other side. If I don't call it out on our side.

KARI: Oh, 100 percent.

I don't want corruption anywhere. I don't want it on the left. I don't want it on the right.

GLENN: No. I don't either.

KARI: And right now, Glenn. It seems we have a lot of corruption on the Republican Party.

And I think a lot of it is resistance to Trump.

They don't want Trump running.

And I don't know if it is because he will reveal a lot of the corruption.

Frankly, I want people going to Washington, DC.

Who Washington, DC, doesn't want.

GLENN: Oh, me too. Go ahead.

KARI: The media now is covering this. And they're trying -- oh, he was just offering her a jobs. You talk about -- you have conversations with your friends. You run a business. Have you ever had a conversation like -- this is not normal.

GLENN: No.

KARI: Anyone who runs a business, if this is the kind of normal conversations, you're having, you're probably in the Mafia.

GLENN: Well, quite honestly, I mean, it makes -- it says a lot about people who leave Congress, and before they run for another higher office, they go to work for these companies.

And seem to bide their time.

There have been accusations by the guy who did it, that you edited the tape.

Is there any truth to that?

KARI: I put 11 -- ten or 11 minutes that involved the bribe.

And I don't know how you could say that was -- I forget the word he used.

GLENN: Out of context.

KARI: Yeah. Some sort.

How do you take ten minutes of bribery out of context?

GLENN: Stu and I were talking about this yesterday. And I said, the only way it can be taken out of context, is if the sentence before was, everything I'm about to say, I'm totally making up, Kari.

That's the only way to take it out of context.

KARI: Or, I've got to describe a scene from a movie, I mean, watched.

GLENN: Yes. Yes. But that -- but the tape you gave us, is --

KARI: He said it was creative editing. Yes. The tape I gave you, is an honest tape. I pulled ten or 11 minutes. I forget. I think it's a little over ten. Of him trying to bribe me.

GLENN: But you did not splice around or edit anything out of those 11 minutes.

KARI: Nope. It's all of the bribery part. And I didn't say, hey, welcome -- can I I get you a cup of coffee, all of that.

But this is not taken out of context. This is not creative editing. Creative editing would be a 30-second clip. This is -- this is a conversation about him bribing me.

There's no ifs, ands, and buts. And he's afraid there's worse stuff out there. It tells you a lot about him.

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Meet the pro-Intifada candidate NYC Democrats just elected

New York City Democrats just elected 33-year-old Zohran Mamdani, a "socialist Muslim", as the Party's candidate for mayor. But Glenn Beck argues that his radical beliefs are actually communist and Islamist.

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VOICE: Z10852. Something weird is going on. The World Trade Center is on fire.

VOICE: Seriously the top of the building. We're trying to get information.

VOICE: Top level of one of the --

VOICE: To unfold from New York City.

VOICE: A plane crashed just --

VOICE: My sister is in that believe. I hope she's okay. I have to come to New York.

VOICE: It's pandemonium.

VOICE: It's raining papers.

VOICE: Wait a minute! Stop just a second. Why are we -- why are we -- I've got breaking news. Breaking news, yesterday. New York City just elected as their mayoral candidate for the left. And the Democrats, a -- a Muslim radical, who is also a communist!

So, you know, it only took you 25 years. It only took you 25 years, New York, to go completely insane.

Somebody who is -- well, I mean, if I might quote Michael malice today. I am old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9/11 instead of voting for it.

But you've got a -- you've got a communist jihadist apologist now.

Who was -- you know, well, CAIR put $100,000 behind his bid for New York City mayor.

So you have somebody who is endorsed by CAIR. That's really good.

He also was somebody who said, you know, he was -- he was for the shooting of the United Health Care CEO.

Said he was looking forward to driving down magnum Joan avenue. I don't know. Sounds like supporting people in the streets. Maybe it's just me.

Then he also said that he was going to globalize the intifada, which I think that's -- maybe -- maybe that's just me.

I mean, what do I know?

Tim Miller who is a podcaster. Asked him a few weeks ago. Asked him about his pro Palestinian slogan. Globalized the intifada. And he said, for me, ultimately, what I hear in so many, is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights, in standing up for Palistinian human rights. Oh, is that what you hear, Mr. CAIR?

Really? Huh, that's interesting.

Right. So globalize the intifada.

I mean, I mean, sure, that's -- I mean well, let me go on.

Because I don't want to take him out of context.

He then delved into the semantics of the intifada, citing the United States Holocaust memorial museum's use of a word for a translation for uprising, in an Arabic version of an article, a museum published about the Warsaw ghetto.

Oh!

So this is just a comparison, about the -- the armed rebellion against the Nazis!

I don't know if that makes me feel better!

I mean, if we're globalizing that.

We're the Nazis in this scenario.

Because I don't think it's the Palestinians.

I certainly don't think it's anybody who is like, hey.

Global jihad. I don't think it's those guys.

Or the Nazis. Who are the Nazis in that?

And it seems, if that's what you mean, then it's not just a harmless kind of slogan about human rights. It is a call for violence on the streets.

Because I don't know if you know, that's what happened when the Jews had their uprising against the Nazis.

I'm just saying!

But, hey, hey, free Palestine.

Oh, that's not what that means, gang. That is not what that means, but don't worry about it. He's just going to be possibly the new mayor.

And that's great. By the way, the Columbia faculty members signed a letter defending Hamas.

They were also among the donors to his mayoral campaign.

So, you know, you don't have anything to worry about.

And his father, who used to work at Columbia. Do you know, Stu?

Is his Dad -- is he still a professor at Columbia University?

He said that -- this violent terror thing of Islam, is not a part of Islam. Now, I've read the Koran, and much of the hadith.

And I'm pretty sure the violence is a part of that. But no.

No. This is something entirely new.

And his father while at Columbia university, wanted everybody to know, that this is actually -- this is something that came out of America!

America is really responsible for this.

And, you know, it really started with the Reagan administration, you know, when he started -- when he started with his very religious terms, to finish the war against the evil empire.

So, you know, that's where -- that's where 9/11 came from.

Is what -- don't worry about it! Don't worry about it!

Because who am I? I'm clearly just -- am I an anti-Semite today, or am I an Islamophobic? I can't remember which one.

Oh, it's probably both. Anyway, Islamophobia. Let me just explain Islamophobia. I haven't even gotten to the Communist part of it. Which is really, really -- New York, you're in one for hell of a ride. Buckle up.

It will be a fun rollercoaster for you. My gosh, I've never been happier that I've been away are if New York.

Anyway, I just want I to know, there is Islam. And then there is Islamists. Now, an Islamist is somebody who really wants Sharia law.

That's political Islam!

That's not a faith. That's political Islam.

Now, let me make really -- something really clear. Criticizing Islamism, is not Islamophobia. Pointing out the dangers of, oh. I don't know.

Political Islam. The ideology that seeks to use the tools of democracy, ultimately to destroy democracy, is not an attack on Muslims.

No. Uh-uh.

You know why?

Because Muslims are often the first people in line.

The first victims of the ideology.

So let's draw a bright, bright line between Islam as a faith, millions of people can practice that faithfully and peacefully.

It's mostly peaceful, okay?

Then there's the Islamism.

Islamism is something entirely -- that's a political project.

A theocratic political -- oh. Left loves theocracies. They love it.

Of course, you never see a problem with it.

See it when an Islamist is touting it. Anyway, it's not about prayer. It's not about fasting. It's not about spiritual life.

It's all about power. It's about merging of mosque and state. It's about implementing Sharia, not as a personal code of conduct. But as a governing legal system.

And it's -- it's supremacy.

Absolutely. Faith.

Religion.

It's -- there's one thing that's supreme.

It's misogynistic.

Deeply intolerant of all kinds of things.

Descent. Secularism. Other faiths. Even competing interpretations from inside the faith itself.

It will behead them too.

So let's -- let's be honest here for a second.

You know, CAIR should be labeled an international terror organization.

In my opinion. In my opinion.

Oh, does that make me -- that makes me an Islamophobe. I'm sure. I'm sure they will start a campaign against me on being an Islamophobe.

Stand in line, guys. You've been doing it since 2001, okay?

I don't really care. And I don't think the American people. I think that record, all the grooves are worn-out on that one, okay?

This is not a religion we're talking about. When we're talking about Sharia law. And we're talking about globalize the intifada. What does that mean, actually, to globalize it?

Does that mean we now want to do what is happening to Israel? All over the world?

Has the Palestinian plight become our plight you now, as Americans?

That there has to be an intifada here!

Because it's the kind of the same. You know. It's kind of the same over, you know, with what the Palestinians are going through.

Well, it's very much like what the Jews went through with the Nazis.

That's a weird one. That one makes my head hurt. It's very much the same as that. And very much the same as the fight against Donald Trump.

Oh, this is going to be fun. It's fun!

Really fun. You know, the irony here is, the ones that will scream Islamophobia the most, are the ones in the progressive left, the champions of feminism, LGBTQ rights. And secularism.

They're going to -- no. You want -- they're going to stand with the people, who want to kill them first.

See, this is how smart they are!

This is why it's going to work out well, in New York City.

Let me just say. If you have an ounce of common sense, you run a business, you have an ounce of wealth. And I don't mean wealth like, you know, hey, Lovey.

Let's get on the boat for a three-hour tour with a suitcase full of cash. I mean you saved anything, anything, get the hell out of New York City.

I mean, this is about survival. This is about free speech. This is about women's rights.
Religious pluralism. Secular legal systems. Liberal democracy.

But it's also about failed principles of Communism. Okay?

First, you have to call out political Islam for what it is. Okay?

And we have to do it with the clarity that we call out white nationalism.

Got to do it with that. Got to -- you know, the Klan. Really bad people.

Really bad people.

Anybody who is shouting for globalized intifada?

Pretty bad. Pretty bad people.

Okay?

Now, let's get to communism.

Because that's another cool, cool angle of the new Democratic candidate for -- for mayor of New York City.

That I just -- I think is cuddly and cute. Sure, it led to 100 million deaths. But this time, New York is going to be radically different. Oh, did I use the word radical?

I didn't mean to use that. What's radical about this guy?

Nothing. He's just like you!

Well, not exactly.

But let's talk about communism, next!

Now, the new mayoral candidate that's running there in New York City. That so many young people rushed to defend and vote for. He's promising free buses.

That's going to work out.

Where are you going to get the money for free buses.

It's free!

City-run grocery stores.

Oh, rent freezes. And finally somebody has done it. A 30-dollar minimum wage.

So under the banner of equity. And, you know, we will tax the wealthy. And the corporations. You know, we're going to squeeze another $10 billion out of them.

Really?

Because they're going to call a U-Haul.

You know, they will call something like U-Haul. There will be a lot of -- there will be a lot of movers that are like, how do I get the truck back from Texas or Florida back up to New York? Nobody is moving up there.

But he's going to do it.

Now, his vision isn't really new. You know, just -- just tax people, so we could have city-run grocery stores. You know, I remember -- I'm old enough to remember those city-run grocery stores in Moscow.

They were great.

The shelves were empty.

But that's just Moscow.

It worked out completely different in Venezuela.

Where, oh, no.

It didn't. That's right. The grocery store.

They were eating the zoo animals.

But it will be different in New York.

Because they have rent controls too.

And that will just choke the housing supply, but don't worry. As a young family.

You know, you voted for it.

You know better.

It will work this time.

So, you know, I like building ideas, I just don't like usually building on the graves of 100 million people.

But, you know, why not? Why not?

You know, use this dogma.

And this time, it will be different. It's not like it was in China. Where the great leap forward, was a gross -- a gross parody of progress. Venezuela, which was oil rich. One of the richest nations in the hemisphere now sees 90 percent of its population in poverty!

Yeah. Darn it. You know what they did?

They decided to take state control of things.

You know, like grocery stores. And it worked out well. How is that free busing working out in Venezuela?

I just want to -- I just want to know.

Anyway, then you've got the globalize the intifada. Which is going to drop a little violence in, and anti-Semitism in with your communism.

Which is weird!

Because violence and anti-Semitism, always happen. When it -- when it comes to -- when it comes to communism.

This is weird!

I've got to play something for you. Because this has talked about on me earlier this morning.

Oh, wow.

Wait a minute. This is -- this is the whole coalition coming together here.

So this is going to be good. New York, this is going to be great.

It's going to be great for you.

No. He's going to uplift you. Then the social fabric of New York City is just going to be -- just one.

It's going to be fantastic. Don't worry about your 120 billion dollars in debt. Or your 10 billion-dollar deficit that you have right now.

You are going to charge the rich more taxes, and they will stay right there.

They will be like, you know what, that 46 percent in taxes that I'm paying, this is just not enough. It's just not enough.

I need to pay 60 or 70 percent to be able to pay my fair share. So that's good. That's good. That's good.

You know, they're not risking 100 million people. It's just 8 million people.

This time, it's just 8 million people.

But, hey. For those of you in upstate New York. That aren't going to be part of this experiment.

Don't worry, you get to pay for it. Because they'll kick it up to the state. The state will have to subsidize everything. And don't you love it?

Really, don't you want to subsidize the really crazy ideas of New York City?

I mean, why don't you have a -- why don't you have a democratic socialist. A/k/a communist mayor.

Why haven't you done that? Are you not progressive enough? Are you not looking into the future?

Are you stuck in the past?

I don't know. I don't know. The graveyard is pretty big. I have a hard time getting past that one. You know, yeah, so I'm stuck in the past. Because I can't seem to pass that graveyard, and get to be down the path with you. But it's going to be a paradise.

Forget arithmetic. You know, or human nature. This time, it's going to work. It's going to work. So all right!

Wish I lived in this morning.

No wait. Nope. I don't. Nope, I don't.

And Ted Cruz, stop it. Stop writing, hey, come to Texas. No. No. Don't come to Texas. Don't come to Florida. Go to California. It's beautiful this time of year. Go there. Go there.