RADIOJanuary 06, 2025

Is Notre Dame Cathedral Now a "Temple of Reason"?!

5 years after a fire ravaged Notre Dame cathedral in France and destroyed its historic spire, the cathedral has been repaired and reopened. But did secular artists and politicians destroy some of the building's historical architecture and replace it with modern and anti-Christian designs? Glenn wanted to test the rumors, so he invited architect Duncan Stroik to reveal the truth. Thankfully, Stroik makes the case that Notre Dame's legendary architectural style was not abandoned, and it was not turned into a secular "Temple of Reason." And although the secular “elites and the architects” changed some minor things, he argues that 98% of Notre Dame’s gothic Christian style was maintained.

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GLENN: So last weekend, everybody was in -- well, everybody who is anybody, of course, I wasn't there. You weren't there.

Nobody I know was there. But all of the leaders of the world were in France for the reopening of the cathedral of Notre Dame.

And it's supposed to be marvelous. Wonderful. And, you know, way ahead of schedule.

Et cetera.

But I heard at the beginning, that they were going to make this kind of into a temple of reason again.

And kind of finish what the French Revolution started.

And they -- they didn't -- they restored part of it. But there was a big argument of, do we go modern?

Or do we put the gothic back in?

And I hate this. I absolutely -- no problem against -- I have no problem with modern architecture.

But there is -- you know, Jefferson said, if you want your civilization to survive even beyond you, you must embed your principles in your architecture.

Okay? Greece, we get it, because of their architecture, a lot of it.

The medieval times, we get it, because of the architecture. And maybe, it's time for all of us to go modern because so much of it makes no sense.

That you're like, well, that's a sign of our times.

Duncan Stroik, he's an architect.

And I wanted him on to talk about what -- what did they do, to Notre Dame in the end?

Duncan, welcome to the program.

DUNCAN: It's great to be here, Glenn. I have really enjoyed your recent programs, especially with the great times of emphasis on the nativity.

GLENN: Oh, well, thank you very much.

So Notre Dame, the last time -- that I know of. That it was really desecrated and almost destroyed. Was during the French Revolution. And they wanted to make it a temple of reason.

And they happen I heard they were going to do this again, and it was going to be, you know, the earth.

And all of this crap.

Did any of that happen?

And what changes did they make, to the cathedral.

DUNCAN: That's a great point. I agree with you.

That our great cathedrals, especially in the gothic period, have had three enemies.

Fire, vandals. And iconoclasts.

And poor Notre Dame has had all of those.

And the fire was devastating. But what makes it even more painful.

Is that after the fire did its work.

That the iconoclasts came in. And wanted to vandalize.

STU: And was it -- I mean, because I know there was this big panel put together, and everything else.

Was there anybody that was really -- that actually in France, believed in God.

That was on the -- that was on the architectural board?

DUNCAN: I think there is, but they're not supposed to admit to it. There's a wonderful interview, with Philippe Villeneuve, who was the head architect and who really fought to restore it, the way it was, especially the spire, the 19th century spire. And I give him the major credit for the restoration -- preventing the vandals and the iconoclasts from doing their work. But Philippe never said anything.

And I talked to him in person a couple of times. He never said anything about God or faith.

But there's a recent interview with him.

And he admits, that he has faith.

That was what kept his going, during these last six years.

And also that the mother of God helped him immensely, in rebuilding this little church.

GLENN: I can't imagine what it was like being a God person, rebuilding the most cathedral in the world. And not be able to say, hey. You know, there's some God stuff here in this gothic architecture.

We may not want to -- we may not want to lose.

So what --

GLENN: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

So it's so amazing. Macron, the president.
Originally, he wanted to have a competition to redo the outside of it. And something, 21st century, something of our time.

And the elites and the architects were, you know, excited, you know, greedy little animals, wanting to eat up this beautiful building.

And fortunately, the people of France fought that. But he did not give up. Every step of the way, he says, well, could we have a competition to redo the stained glass?

Could we have a competition to redo the side chapels?

Could we -- you know, anything he could get to get the contemporary, and unfortunately, for him. Not for him. But for him, the contemporary means the secular.

GLENN: So what is massively different when you go there now?

DUNCAN: I think Philippe Villeneuve got, 80, 90 percent of it. I mean, he really succeeded.

They rebuilt the -- exactly the way it was.

With medieval axes. They rebuilt the spire, way it was in 1860, with handmade wood joinery. They redid the lead roof, which is very handmade, which is very phenomenal. They redid all the stone work. The five huge openings in the ceiling, that had been destroyed.

They restored and cleaned some of the side chapels. And the paintings with just our -- now they're beautiful.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

DUNCAN: So he got 98 percent of it.

Macron got very little. The elite art world that doesn't go to church.

Doesn't believe in church. That is very influential.

They got very little. Unfortunately, the archbishop of -- or at least aesthetically in league with Macron.

So some of the things that he spent money on, are contemporary, and most people won't even give them a second thought. Because they are so out of touch with the rest of the building.

GLENN: That's actually good news. Because I thought a lot more had been done that was bad. So this is really good to hear.

DUNCAN: It is.

It's a great story. It really is. I'm very thrilled. These little minor, interior decorating things, that look like they're ephemeral, and you can get rid of them next year. It really is a triumph.

GLENN: So you're a professor of architecture at the University of Notre Dame.

And I want to ask you, so much of our architecture is just meaningless.

And I'm not against -- I'm not against modern architecture.

You know, some of it is interesting. Only because of what we can now do.

But it's -- it doesn't really even speak to anything, a century, even a century from now, I don't think.

But I was reading that there is this new AI-driven machinery. That can now re-carve from solid marble, in a fraction of the time, and not even close to the cost.

You know, that -- you could rebuild all of the great statues, and go back to even a gothic kind of architecture.
And a fraction of the cost. And the time. But I -- you know, I kind of think. When you see David.

I have to tell you, I went to Florence. And my wife and I stood in the square.

I didn't know that the one in the square was the fake.

And we were standing in the square, and I went, huh. Well, I've seen that before.

In all different sizes. And it wasn't that impressive.

And then I went into the museum, where the original is. And I cannot tell you what the difference is.

But that one is alive!

The other one is not!

VOICE: Yes.

GLENN: What is the difference? And will -- you know, by getting rid of handmade things, don't you think that just changes absolutely everything?

DUNCAN: Totally. Totally. And especially when it comes to art, with sculpture, with figures, with floral things. The hand is where it's at. And I do -- we use modern technology to cut our marble and our limestone. But the thing that gets me so excited is to see that guy with his hands actually cutting into the stone. And making -- no question with sculpture. I believe totally with sculpture, that is the key.

Yes. David is a great example.

Because there's a couple of great, great copies in Florence. And the that one we're all moved by is the one by that Michelangelo guy.

GLENN: And they look identical.

DUNCAN: Yes, yes. Totally.

And there were great -- they were very good sculptors who did it, and they were copying it as closely as they could.

There's something beautiful about what happened. I'm with you.

And they did that as much as they could in Notre Dame, in this new restoration. And I think we want to -- and young people were involved in it. That's also what is so exciting. Young people today wanted to do things with their hands.

Some people do, other people want to do video games.

But I think there's a good future for a lot of this.

GLENN: Yeah, I -- I think the more we get into AI. There's going to be a real problem of dislocation of people and artists and everything else.

That we're going to have to figure out soon. But once we get past that. It's kind of like, it's kind of like when clothing went to machine-made.

At first, everybody wanted it made by machine.

Now, if it's handmade, holy cow, is it different.

You know, even from -- I was just talking to somebody about -- you know, everybody buys ripped jeans now.

We were embarrassed when I was a kid.

Because our moms would patch them. Now you'll pay $150 extra, if they're patched by a machine.

But we're trying to buy that authenticity. That, yeah. I wore these out.

Even though we didn't. You know what I mean?

DUNCAN: Yes. Yes. And one of the things that really amazed me, at the roof of Notre Dame, which took about 1500 trees.

Some 80 feet tall. That they had to use from the old state forests for the great buildings.

To make this roof.

Hundreds -- 1,500 trees.

And most of them were cut by hand, using axes.

1500 trees.

They had 60 men working for three or four years.

Cutting these trees. And then forming them into two square timbers. And then joining them with dovetails.

And it was all handmade.

GLENN: How did they get this done?

I mean, the National Cathedral in Washington, DC, took forever. How did they do this so fast?

DUNCAN: Well, I think it was national pride. And it shows you that the French still have it in them, to restore. But I also believe build things of that quality of the Middle Ages. They still have it. They have the people that love it.

And even though the elites and the leadership. You know, the political leaders, think it's valid. But regular people and the craftsmen, they know this was a high point.

This is a golden age. And that we could do it again today.

So I'm very excited about the French.

I want to export the French, these master craftsmen to other countries.

Especially to the US. Where we can afford it.

And get us to train us. And lead us to do it in America.

On a smaller scale. Whatever. I want to do that.

GLENN: Duncan, thank you.

If you're ever in Dallas, please let me know. I would love to have lunch with you some time, you're fascinating. Thank you so much.

DUNCAN: Thank you for what you do, Ben -- Glenn. Thank you for speaking up.

GLENN: You bet. You got it. Duncan Stroik, he's an architect, and the professor of architecture at the University of Notre Dame.

SHOCK POLL: The % of Young People Who Support SOCIALISM is Insane

New polling reveals a shocking truth: young Americans aren’t just open to socialism... they overwhelmingly want a socialist president in 2028. Glenn Beck and Justin Haskins break down five alarming surveys showing massive ideological shifts among voters ages 18-39, including young Republicans. Why is socialism exploding in popularity, and what does this mean for the future of America? Are we on the brink of a political transformation or potentially even a national crisis?

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Property Taxes are OUT OF CONTROL - And Here's Why! | Guest: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott

Texas Governor Greg Abbott joins Glenn Beck to expose why Texans are being crushed by skyrocketing property taxes — and how local governments, not the state, keep driving homeowners deeper into financial distress. Gov. Abbott breaks down his five-point plan to impose strict spending limits, force voter approval for tax hikes, reform out-of-control appraisals, empower citizens to slash taxes themselves, and eliminate school district property taxes for homeowners altogether. Glenn argues that property tax is morally wrong because it prevents Texans from ever truly owning their land, and Abbott lays out his strategy to fight both parties in the legislature to finally deliver lasting relief.

Joe Rogan & Glenn AGREE: We just got CLOSER to civil war

Joe Rogan recently warned that we may have gotten to Step 7 of 9 in the lead-up to civil war. Glenn reviews the 9 Steps and explains why he believes Rogan nailed this one. But Glenn also lays out what Americans MUST do to reverse this trend...

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GLENN: So if you take what Fetterman said yesterday about how people are cheering for him to die on the left, and then you couple it with something that was on the Joe Rogan show on Tuesday. He was saying that the reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk makes him think that the US is closer to Civil War than -- than he thought.

Now, let me quote him. He said, after the Charlie Kirk thing. I'm like, oh, my.

We might be at seven. This might be he step seven on the way to a bona fide Civil War. Charlie Kirk gets shot, and people are celebrating.

Like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

You want people to die that you disagree with?

Where are we now on the scale of Civil War?

Well, let me go over the scale of Civil War, because it's sobering.

Now, none of this has to be true. If we wake up and decide, I don't want to do this anymore!

Okay?

Here's step one.

Step one. Loss of civic trust.

Every civil conflict begins when people stop believing that the system is fair. Are we there?

We're so far -- we're so far past the doorway, we are comfortably asleep on the couch on this one. Gallup and Pew both show trust in Congress, the media courts, and the FBI government are now at record lows.

The Edelman Trust Barometer classifies the US now as severely polarized. Majority of Republicans distrust federal elections. Majority of Democrats don't trust the Supreme Court.

Americans are really united on one thing, and that is the other side is corrupt!

When faith in the rules collapses, the republic begins to wobble. But that's step one. Step two, polarization hardens into identity!

Political disagreement is normal!

Identity conflict is fatal!

But that's what Marxists push. Identity politics. This is when politics stopped being about policy, and started being about who you are as a person.

Have we crossed this one into step two?

I mean, we're neck deep into this. A study on this, from PRRI.

It's a survey, found 23 percent of Americans believe political violence may be necessary to save the that I guess.

I think that's an old study. Americans now sort themselves by ZIP code into ideological enclaves. The big sort: Universities, activists, corporations. Everybody is promoting oppressor versus oppressed.

And that -- does what?

It puts us into incompatible tribes. Opponents aren't wrong anymore. The opponent is dangerous!

If I go back and you look at civil wars, Lebanon, before 1975. Yugoslavia, before 1991. That's -- we're doing that. Okay?

Step three. Breakdown of the gatekeepers. The gatekeepers are kind of like the referees of society. It's the media, political parties, churches, civic leaders.

When they fail, extremism fills the vacuum. Okay. Where are we on this? Have our gatekeepers failed us?

Yeah. I think both parties, especially the left, you know, everything I predicted that the left was going to be eaten by the extreme left, and then the communists and the socialists is now happening.

They've lost control of the fringe of each party. Media transformed, you know, from referees into team coaches. Tech platforms. It's outrage for profit. Universities are not there to cool things down. They heat them up.

Churches. Churches are useless. Useless.

When the referees leave the field, the game devolves into a brawl. And the refs are gone off the field. So there are only nine steps. We're at step four. Here's step four.

Are you ready for this one?

Parallel information realities.

Civil wars don't require different opinions. They require different realities.

I remember reading about Germany, at the beginning of, you know, the Nazi era. How the two new newspapers. One was propaganda for the government.

And the other one, it was the last one that was kind of the holdout.

And they said, you could read them, and they would cover the same thing.

But they had almost no information was the same. Except, that happened yesterday.

Here's what they said. And then everything else was different. That's exactly -- I mean, step four is complete!

We can't agree on facts, right?

Crime rates. Border numbers. Inflation. Election security.

Two Americans can watch the same video. And see opposite truths.

Social media algorithms are creating customized political universes.

Digital echo chambers. Deepfakes. We're just at the beginning of that. And both sides accuse the other of running disinformation machines.

Why? Because we don't have a shared reality. So if you don't have a shared reality. How do you settle any dispute?

On the nine steps, we're up to number five. Coming in at number five.

Loss of neutral rule of law.

This out of the nine steps with, five is the pivot point.

It's not corruption, it's the belief that the law is no longer neutral.

Are we there yet?

Let me tell you the CBS you.gov poll. 67 percent say the justice system is used for political purposes.

I think that's low. January 6 defendants given years in prison, 2020 rioters were released. High profile political figures, prosecuted or shielded based on party.

FBI whistle-blowers alleging pressure to inflate domestic extremism numbers. States like Texas, directly defying federal directives, on border enforcement.

And now, leading the way, with the federal government.

History is really cold and unforgiving on this point.

Once the people believe justice is political! Remember, this is the turning point.

The republic stands on borrowed time. Once you no longer believe that justice is achievable. Step six.

Are we there?

I think we are.

Step six. Normalization of political violence!

This is where violence stops shocking the system. Are we there?

Remember, where violence stops shocking the system. Look at evidence just from Virginia. What they just voted for.

He was calling for the death of a -- a political opposition.

Calling for his children to be killed.

Was called on it, never apologized.

Never said anything other than, yeah. I know. He dug it deeper.

Was anyone shocked by it? Apparently not. They elected him. Here's the evidence. 2020 riots.
574 events. $2 billion in damage. Was anybody outraged by that? Or was it downplayed and excused?
Assassination attempts. Assassination attempts against the president. Supreme Court justice.

Fistfights. And mob actions on college campuses. To silence speakers. Rising to do for punching a fascist or stopping genocide. Depending on the ideology. Online chatter discussing Civil War, national divorce, and revolution.

When violence becomes part of the political language, a nation crosses an invisible line. We're now up to step seven out of nine.

This is where Joe Rogan said, are we at step seven?

The rise of militias and parallel forces.

When a state loses he is monopoly on force.

Countdown accelerates. So where are we on this one?

I think we're seeing, maybe early signs of this.

You're starting to see the -- the states kind of organize these mobs, you know, to go after ICE.

Right?

Armed groups, right-wing, left-wing radical secessionists. Anyone.

Once they start forming their own police forces. Or their own option forces, then you have -- then you have everything really falling apart.

Entirely!

I don't think we're there, yet!

But we're starting to see the beginnings of this.

Step eight. The trigger event.

Civil Wars don't begin with a plan. They begin with a spark.

So where are we?

We're not here yet. The conditions are right. Potential triggers, disputed election in '26 or '28.

Political assassination or major attack.

Supreme Court decision that ignites mass unrest.

Financial crisis or dollar crisis.

A state federal standoff turning violent!

Nothing is ignited yet, but the room is soaked in gasoline. So we don't have seven. We're on the verge of eight, at any time. And here's nine.

This is the point of no return.

When police, military, or federal agencies split, even if no one calls it that, well, where are we?

Well, I just read a story about how with the Mamdani election in New York, a good number of the police force is going to leave. And they're going to go join police forces elsewhere. You also have the tension between the state National Guard, and the federal directives, the state guard and the state directives. Law enforcement recruitment is at crisis lows. The distrust of the FBI, DOJ, CIA. Tens of millions of Americans. I always really respected those institutions. I have no respect for them now. If you have states openly defying federal rules on immigration, drug laws, sanctuary policies.
Whistle-blower claims of internal politicization.

All of these things are in play for the first time in 150 years, people can imagine!

So I give this to you, not to be fearful of, but to know where you are. As a map!

Know where you are.

And hopefully, it might wake some people up, if you chart America on, on the nine step model of Civil War. Steps one through four, completed!

Step five, happening!

Step six, happening! Step seven, beginning! Step eight, just waiting for it. And step nine, avoidable, only if step eight, never happens. Again, I'm not telling you for doom purposes, this is diagnosis. This is a doctor going, I want you to look at the chart.

And this is a doctor saying, I want you to look at -- do you see what's happening to your body?

If you don't stop this habit, you are going to die. You don't have to die. You can stop smoking and drinking right now. You can start exercising. But if you don't, you are going to die.

The question is, are we the nation that says, nah, that's not going to happen to me. Or are we the nation that wakes up and sees our chart and says, good heavens, it's way far more gone than I thought it was. But I feel something in the air.

I'm going to change my behavior. The nation that refuses to look and wake up and stop calling their neighbors enemies, is the nation that fails!

We have to strengthen these things that have already fallen. And, you know what, the easiest one to do is?

Church. Where are you ministers and pastors priests and rabbis?

Where the hell are you?

I think there's going to be a special section for you, when you cross over to the -- because you're doing things in the name of God!

So when you get to the other side, I think there's going to be a special section for those who remained silent. While his rights were being taken away.

You don't own that right.

I don't own that right.

The Lord gave us those rights, and said, protect them!

By you, being the representative, the voice box, if you will, of the Lord, to shepherd his people. By you not standing up and saying, hey, by the way, we have -- we have a moral responsibility to protect these rights for the next generation! By you refusing because you're afraid. Because I think, there's no politics in the Bible! There's no politics in the Bible. Really?

The whole thing is about politics. Is about the moral way you have to live your life.

Calling things as you see them. Calling them back to eternal principles.

He didn't tell anybody how to vote. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

But there are certain principles that you have to have, or you lose not only this citizenship, but the next citizenship. The one that really matters. And, boy, if you are doing it because you're a coward, you are in the wrong business!

Get out of the pulpit, and go to work at Jack in the Box.

Democrat “SMOKING GUN” on Trump & Epstein gets DESTROYED by facts

The House Oversight Democrats recently released "new" emails allegedly proving President Trump lied about his knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. However, Glenn points out a glaring issue with these emails that destroys their entire narrative...

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GLENN: Well, let's dive right into the Epstein Maxwell emails. My gosh, Stu!

Why are they trying to cover up that Donald Trump had sex with children!

STU: I mean, it's just clear, as -- as day, in the emails!

GLENN: Yeah. No.

STU: He spent hours with one of the victims. What else could have possibly have occurred in that arrangement? We don't know!

GLENN: And it's -- it's one of the victims, Stu. One of the victims!

STU: One of the victims, that's all we know. One of the victims.

GLENN: Let me read what Jeffrey Epstein wrote. I want you to realize that the dog who hasn't barked is Trump. Victim redacted. Victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, et cetera.

Okay. New information, just released. Or is it?

Because in 2011, 2011, that was released and everybody knew it. It's been out floating around. Here's the change: In 2011, this is what it read.

I want you to realize that the dog hasn't barked is Trump. Virginia spent hours at my house with him.

Why would you redact a name that is already out in the public square!

It's already out!

The memo is already out. The email is already out. It's been out for years. Why would you redact that name now?

Well, because it makes it all of a sudden, new and shiny. Shiny and new. If you don't know who said it, you see victim, and you're like, oh, you see victim. Who is the victim?

I don't know. But when you know it's Virginia, you know this has already gone to court. This is -- she already testified about this!

He didn't partake in any of this, any sex with any of it. It's true. He didn't partake in any sex with us, and I'm quoting, this is from the testimony. But it's not true, that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me. Have you ever met him?

Yes, at Mar-a-Lago, my dad and him. I wouldn't say they were friends, but my dad knew him, and they would talk. Have you ever been in Donald Trump or Jeffrey Epstein's presence with one another? No!

What's the basis of your statement that Donald Trump is a good friend of Jeffrey? Jeffrey has told me that Donald Trump is a good friend of his.

He didn't partake in any of -- any of the sex with any of it. He flirted with me.

It's true, that he didn't partake in any sex with us. But it's not true that he flirted with me.

So I don't understand that. But she goes on. Donald Trump never flirted with me!

Okay. So what -- what's new about this?

This is the same girl, this is the same person that -- didn't she work at Mar-a-Lago?

Or she was going to get a job at Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Yeah. I believe she did at one point.

GLENN: Yeah. So we know they know each other. We know they know each other.

We know that at Mar-a-Lago, Jeffrey Epstein would come, and he was poaching the employees. The girls there. To go work for him.

And Donald Trump went to him. And said, "Hey, man. Stop it. Stop poaching people from me. That's not cool. Don't do it." And then he said, "Oh, yeah. All right." And then he did it a second time. And he's like, "You know what, you're out. I don't want you here anymore. I asked you not to do it, and you did it." Now, that doesn't mean that he knew what was happening to the girls or what was happening or anything else.

And even if it did mean something was happening with the girls, he was saying, "Hey. Stop it! Don't take any of the girls or the women here.
Don't do it." I don't believe he knew anything about any of this. But God only knows! And really, God only knows!

This is not new news. Donald Trump, he might end up beating Bezos as the richest man on the planet! When all is said and done!

Because, again, the -- they're presenting this as new fact, a giant scandal. Stu, I don't know if you know this. This is -- this breaking news is a giant scandal.

STU: Yeah. I've heard democratic representatives saying that over the past 24 hours. Yeah. We need to investigate this.

This is shocking stuff. It's a massive scandal. Even ABC News, I heard, pushed back against this. And said, well, what scandal? What are you implying occurred here?

We know who the victim was. We know the victim. Like why. Why did you even redact that name?

And they're like we always redact name of victims.

Do you really? When they're already out publicly?

Not to mention, this particular victim is not even alive.

You know, she sadly died. I mean, it's a terrible, terrible story.

GLENN: Terrible story.

STU: Yeah. She passed away.

A suicide. It was at least the report I believe. But she has a posthumous book coming out. But like a terrible, terrible story.

But, you know, to act as if you have to protect her identity when, number one, she's dead.

GLENN: Is ridiculous.

STU: Number two, everybody already knows who she was, including the news sources, who also have a policy, you would think.

And ABC has a policy. They redact, that was in this type of situation. But it's already been out. We already knew who it was.

So they redacted to make it look like he's with other people who have not already told us nothing bad occurred! You know, and it is an absolutely awful tactic. And at least --

GLENN: I think litigation should follow again. I think he should sue them again. Anyone who is presenting this as new information.

ABC did their job. Congratulations for ABC. They did their job.

They pointed out, this is not new information.

Why would you redact. Why are you releasing this now? And you're redacting a name this -- this email is already out!

You're presenting this as a new scandal.

And you redacted that name. This is completely dishonest. The news media shouldn't even run with it. They shouldn't even run with it. They should have said, old news. Old news. And if you did run with it, you should have handle it had like ABC handle it had. Wait a minute. Why did you redact name.

What do you mean that there's a new scandal. She already testified exactly opposite of what you're believing Jeffrey Epstein over the victim right now. I just want to make sure you understand the Democrats right here. You're taking the name of Epstein, over the victim.

Oh, okay. All right.

STU: And Epstein doesn't even say that anything occurred.

GLENN: No.

STU: There's not -- it's just -- it would be something you would have to jump to a conclusion, to accuse Donald Trump of something like this.

And we know what happened, because the victim said nothing!

Said, it was nothing!

GLENN: Right.

STU: In fact, it wasn't even a flirtation. Which, by the way, even that, you might have thought was creepy. It wasn't even a crime.

It wasn't even flirtation. So it's a disgrace in every single way.

GLENN: All right. So let me take you here. Let me take you here.

If you remember when the shutdown first started, what did the Democrats say, the reason why they did the shutdown?

Not them! Why Mike Johnson and everybody else wouldn't negotiate!

Why wouldn't -- why wouldn't the Republicans negotiate?

Because the heat was on, to release the Epstein files.

And they didn't want to have to do that. So they shut the government down!

Okay?

They wouldn't negotiate. You didn't hear any of this? Oh, it's so arrogant.

STU: It doesn't make any sense at all. That's probably what they said.

GLENN: I know. I know. So the government is open, and what does Mike Johnson do yesterday?

He said the House is going to vote on a bill to release all of the files related to the late financier, convicted child sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein next week. He said on Wednesday that a discharge position to bypass leadership and force a vote on the bill, hit the benchmark for needed signatures. It's been decided by him to expedite the vote for the bill, which under the current rules could have been delayed until at least early September.

So he says, as soon as that petition hit, the needed 218 signatures, I brought it up. Unanimous consent. Let's go! Release it.

So he's pushing this forward. Good, Mike!
Release all of it. Thank you!

Get it out. Lance this boil.

I mean, if anybody thinks that you're ever going to get the truth on this in the first place, it's madness. It's madness. Everybody -- I mean, so many important people were involved in this, and it was in the hands of the Democrats for the longest time. Okay?

So they had all of this information. You don't think it was all picked through? And if there was anything about Donald Trump, you don't think that would have come up between 2020 and 2024?

There's nothing in there about Donald Trump. These people are so stupid. This time, we've got him, boys. This time, we've got him.

No, you don't. This time, it's like Wile E. Coyote. This time, we've got the Roadrunner!

No. You're never going to catch him on this. It doesn't work. The guy was the most investigated person in the history of the world, and you've got nothing! Now, it's good to come out.

But if you think you're going to catch a bunch of people on the left, you're not going to. Because they had it, you know, in their possession.

You don't think all of the names were taken out? You don't think things were destroyed, if there was anything? I believe there was something. But I don't believe there's any names in it anymore. You're not going to get the truth on this one. You're just not going to get the truth, but release everything that we have. Everything!

Oh. Oh, by the way, also in the Epstein emails. How come nobody is talking about this one, Stu?

This one is from Michael Wolff, to Jeffrey Epstein. And then Jeffrey Epstein responds.

So Michael Wolff writes, "What's the thumbnail on Nes Baum (phonetic) Foster?"

And Jeffrey Epstein writes back, "Nes Baum White House Counsel, dot, dot, dot, Hillary doing naughties with Vince."

Now, Vince Foster killed himself, you know, and then killed himself at the White House. And then drug himself across the street to the park.

I mean, I don't know -- the Vince Foster thing is so old. And it doesn't -- but why is nobody talking about that one?

Why is no one talking about that?

Also, this the Jeffrey Epstein email bundle, ABC, you don't feel that's necessary to bring that one up?

Huh. Interesting.