Mike Pompeo, who served as director of the CIA during President Trump’s time in the White House, has witnessed America’s Deep State firsthand. So, Pompeo knows exactly which steps must be taken to END it once and for all. In this clip, Pompeo joins Glenn to describe the best way to ‘unplug’ and ‘break down’ the Deep State — which exists not only in the State Department, he says, but in parts of the Justice Department, the Department of Education, and more, as well. He says fixing the system IS possible, but it could ‘take years.’ Plus, Pompeo gives his thoughts on Ukraine and Vladimir Putin, rumors about The Nord Stream Pipeline, and China’s spy balloon…
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GLENN: Mike Pompeo. Mike, how are you, sir?
MIKE: Glenn, I'm great. How are you today?
GLENN: I'm really good. I've been looking forward to this. I hope we find time to sit down for a longer podcast.
MIKE: I promise you, I'll do it.
GLENN: All right. I have so many things for you. But I want to start off with something that is in your book, that I absolutely love.
When you met Kim Jong-un, in North Korea, the meeting began with Kim saying, what? To you?
MIKE: It was really quite something.
Easter weekend 2018, clandestine mission, Dark Knight. Met with Jim and Kim. Had one colleague with me, and the first thing it says to me. I walk in, there's lots of theater.
And we walk in, and he says, Mr. Director. I was CIA director at the time. He said, Mr. Director, I did not think you would come, since you've been trying to kill me.
Obviously through a translator. And I remember, Glenn, you'll appreciate this. I prepared for this. We studied.
What might he say? This was not on the bingo card.
MIKE: So I remember, I hear the translater. I pause for just a second. And I think, well, that's pretty tough. And I said, Mr. Chairman, you should know, I am still trying to kill you.
My colleague smiled. Andy, great guy. Smiled. And then the translation hits him. And he laughs too.
Which was very --
GLENN: Yeah. That's -- that's good when you're standing with a dictator that kills people, and he's on his turf.
MIKE: He knew it was tongue and cheek a little, in the same way that his barb at me was, but I think it also set the course for the relationship we built over the coming years.
GLENN: Right. Right.
How would you describe the American Deep State?
And did you see it in action?
And what is it, exactly?
MIKE: Oh, Glenn. It's -- yes, I saw it. It is real. One can describe it as the Deep State. Or the resistance. Here's how I came to understand it. Really as the State Department.
To be honest with you. It is a left of center. Left of left, perhaps. Left of center bureaucracy that is deeply of Washington, DC. Deeply establishment. And so when you have someone like President Trump or me, who says, both didn't work. We're going to try it a different way. We're going to take a little bit risk. We're going to defend America first. Oh, my gosh, Glenn. It was a mess. They resisted what we did. They undermined. They would leak memos. I saw memos in the press before they got to my desk, Glenn, so many times.
And this is problematic. Not because of me. It's problematic, because that's not what the Constitution requires. Or what our Founders thought about America. So the next president, it's going to take -- it's going to take a while. But this could be fixed.
GLENN: So how can a president come in, be elected? Because I'm concerned. I agree with term limits. But term limits, also, for people who are serving in Washington, DC, and all jobs, all levels, how do you -- how can you clean this up, without shutting it down, and, you know, did you unplug it and plug it back in?
That's pretty much what we have to do.
SPEAKER ONE: That's a great analogy. Yes, unplug it. You have to break it down. By the way, not just the State Department. Good parts of the Justice Department.
Most specialists, civil rights division. The entire Department of Education.
These are lost. And so, yes. The next president. There's two things. First, you have to get your team on the field.
One of the things we did not do is, we were two years into the administration. And we still had Obama people occupying political positions. That's just a failure.
And we have to get good at that. The conservative movement has to get good.
Just like we have to collect and harvest ballots, we have to get good about being fearless about terminating the bad guys and promoting the good good guys. And then second, big, team structures reforms inside these. And it will cost political capital, Glenn. I can see why a president would not do it, they have plenty of things. But this is a lasting change that one could make (?) how you -- we have three unions at the State Department, Glenn. Nobody even knows it. Right?
Every one of (?) collective argument agreement. You can't promote merit. You can't fire those who aren't on the team. This is a calamity. It is fixable. You put good cabinet members in. They hire the right folks. You can clean it up. It will take years, I'll be honest. Because you have (?) the talent that comes in, has to be American patriotic. Not aa part of the Washington establishment. But it is doable (?)
GLENN: I'm sure you know that I am one of the chief conspiracy theorists on the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset.
Do we have a lot of time? I mean, it is very concerning with tech, and the way it seems the entire entire West is throwing in their lot with very authoritarian style plan.
JEFF: I'm very concerned about it. (?) time is short. Not hours (?) heading down the direction. Glenn, you know this. Starts with the schools. Teach kids garbage. Teach kids crap. The parents don't (?) logic, reason, the things that -- right? The things that we know prevent us from being a liberal. A liberal society that has made America such an exceptional civilizational hero. We got to get it right. It is a collective -- it is in all of our big institutions. I was very worried. I was a soldier long time ago now. I'm worried about our military headed down that same path of forgetting what its mission is. That is an institution that is central to the -- culturally from&from a security perspective. (?) and when we get these things wrong. Hard to get back from.
GLENN: We're talking to Mike Pompeo, he has a book out, which is extraordinarily great and Frank. It's called never give an inch. (?) former secretary of state.
Let me -- let me ask you a couple of questions here: First of all, Ukraine.
I mean, I've done enough research on Ukraine, and the Biden administration. And the -- and the Obama administration. That is deeply corrupt.
I -- I don't mind, you know, aiding and praying for, and even helping privately, you know, people who want to be free.
But I'm very concerned where we're going on this. Because it -- it appears to me, everybody who is in charge, is like, yeah. Let's go. Let's go. We're going to war.
Touring with tanks being sent over, and offensive weaponry?
MIKE: Glenn, I actually do. But not for -- not for the -- the reason some have articulated. Your predicate is exactly spot-on. I talk about it in the book.
You're right. It's a pretty wide open document.
You bank me long enough. This is how I think. (?)
Not for the reasons often articulated. Ukraine has huge corruption problems. But my concern is about the American people.
We lost the -- you know, Vladimir Putin, didn't invade Europe on our watch. He took (?) he went at it again as soon as we left, under Biden. We cannot allow him to continue to Rome about Europe. The innocent (?) there's an American interest there.
It's not -- I think we can do this. He hasn't asked for our kids yet. (?) he's just asking him to provide him with tools and capabilities. That's the quickest way to bring this to a conclusion. (?) really dumb, that draws the whole world into this. Which is a real danger. And I spent a fair amount of time with Vladimir Putin. I'm more concerned about it, than others. I think he's not going to go quietly into the knight night. If we can (?) fight and die. That's something that matters to every American. And we ought to try to get it right there.
GLENN: So I -- Mike Lee spent a lot of time yesterday, looking at the Seymour Hersh article. And trying to track down. He's coming on the air in about an hour, to find out what he found.
He said initially, he was disturbed. Because he didn't believe it. But he also kind of did.
I mean, he didn't. He said, I hate to put words in his mouth. But he was like, these are the kinds of things that now, we do need to actually seriously question. Because these kinds of things could happen.
But he didn't think it was true.
As former CIA director, the Nord Stream pipeline, do you think we had anything to do with that at all?R
MIKE: Let me begin by saying, I don't know. (?) I don't have access to that kind of information any longer.
GLENN: But see, that's what Mike was saying. He was disturb does that he didn't know.
MIKE: Yeah. He should have access. These are the United States senators. He should have access.
I'm glad he will success it out. Figure out what happened there.
I will say this, Joe Biden would not (?) the chance he would blow up a pipeline, that belonged to the Germans, seems low to me.
GLENN: Okay. All right.
MIKE: It seems out of character.
GLENN: Good. Okay.
MIKE: But goodness, we should figure it out.
Look, I think it's more likely than not, that the Russians actually did this. I read the piece. There were a comments from Victoria new land (?) and from the president himself. They're kind of odd statements. So we should go figure it out. But my sense is, if I were to maybe take my own money. I think this was a Russian operation aimed at denying energy to what they thought would be a cold winner here. It just hasn't panned out.
GLENN: And the Chinese spy balloon. We spent (?) with a 40 million-dollar plane.
And then -- and then what are they saying in, oh. It was not a risk. Well, then, why did we shoot it down?
What is this?
MIKE: They've disassembled since the beginning. This was a spy operation (?) imagery pictures. Probably signals too. Trying to listen to what was going on. And they were also testing our air defenses. And finally, they were testing President Biden to see what he would do. Someone asked me yesterday. Would this have (?) under the Trump administration. And I think, yes. And I would have been the former secretary of state, very quickly.
So -- so -- and it was funny. Glenn, you remember. Oh, this happened. And we all came out and said, no. I guess we were all just smoking dope, right?
And the truth of the matter, we know they lied. Nobody knew about this before. This was a blunder on their watch. Not so much (?), but Xi Jinping is confident now, that he can push this president around.
That deterrence model we had, Glenn. That was so important to the American people.
When you lose that, you create space. What's the old southwest line. Feel free to move about the cabin. I think the bad guys are feeling pretty damn free to move about the cabin.
If you live (?) that creates an awful lot more risk.
GLENN: Is China the risk I think it is?
And is it -- how much of a role does the business dealings of the Biden administration, or Biden and his family, have to do with giving China a pass on so much?
SPEAKER ONE: Boy, I don't know if that's the motivation from their failure to confront this.
The greatest threat to the United States. The Chinese Communist Party. They could be -- we should get to the bottom of everything that's on that laptop.
To figure out where that leverage might be from the Chinese Communist Party. Not just President Biden. But lots of folks in his administration. Were doing lots of business in China. Before he came into office.
GLENN: I mean, Mitch McConnell is a big one too.
Mitch McConnell --
SPEAKER ONE: Totally not partisan. Got this right for America.
There's (?), but the yellow helmet and the blue helmet. This is protecting the United States. They're inside our (?) inside our universities. Massive spy (?) that I shut down.
And we just -- we let it go on for years. If we get the chance to do the podcast.
I would love to spend more time.
My fear (?) something that might happen in Taiwan or Japan or (?) it's what's happening inside the gates here. And every American should be aware of it. And we should protect ourselves. And we can -- we should be successful. I believe we will.
I see no evidence, this president is going to do that.
GLENN: Well, Mike, I appreciate your time.
(?) let's book some time on a podcast.
MIKE: We'll make it happen, Glenn Beck Program.
GLENN: God bless. You bet.
Former secretary of state, and former CIA director. And author of the Book, Never Give an Inch.