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How to STOP the Judicial Attacks Against Trump

“The nationwide injunction thing has really gotten out of control,” First Liberty Institute executive general counsel Hiram Sasser tells Glenn. The Trump administration has been hit with injunction after injunction, in which individual unelected judges have tried to tell the President of the United States what to do. So, how can we stop this judicial overreach and lawfare? Sasser tells Glenn that there are only 2 institutions that can fix this problem: the Supreme Court and Congress.

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GLENN: Hiram Sasser is with us. First Liberty executive general counsel on the judiciary. Last night, I showed you some of the names and organizations that are funding this judicial coup against Trump. And that is exactly what it is.

And it is well-orchestrated, well-planned, and well-funded. What do we do about it? Hiram, welcome to the program.

HIRAM: Hey, thanks for having me.

GLENN: You bet. So last night I kind of went through these, and it's sickening to see how well-planned this is, and it has nothing to do with anything, other than thwarting Donald Trump and his agenda.

It doesn't have anything to do with the actual law or anything else.

These are the same people that were planning for his impeachment, before he took president the first time!


HIRAM: You know, what I always find amazing is that everybody thinks this is like a practice, right? We get to run our plays. And there will be no opponent on the other side. I mean, there's a team on the other side.

They're very smart and they're very well organized. And they work very hard for the things that they believe in.

So we have to work doubly hard.

Look, the nationwide injunction thing has really gotten out of control in the 20th century. And sort of kind of emerged in the '60s. He had a few here and there. I think couple against President Reagan. A few against President Clinton.

GLENN: By this time. By this time in Biden's administration, there were only three.

There's like 159 now.

HIRAM: Well, that's right.

They really ramped up -- which is fascinating, by the way, Glenn. Is that the left complained about nationwide injunctions. When they were -- you know, basically, 14 of them, were applied to the Biden administration.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

HIRAM: What people don't understand, really is that there's only two -- there's only two institutions that can fix this problem.

Nationwide injunctions. Either the Supreme Court will have to put an end to it.

Which they can. Or Congress will have to put an end to it.

Which they can. But there's no way, really, from a legal standpoint, to get to one of those. One of those two inflection points.

What I think is very, very critical is.
If you look at Judge Kacsmaryk, for example. When he enjoined the FDA's approval, of -- of -- of abortion drugs. One of the things that he did, was he actually halted his order, for a week. To allow for an emergency appeal by the United States.

And what the judge was doing, turn the planes around. I mean, that's -- that's beyond the pale. He -- even with the power to issue a nationwide injunction. A judge should give the government the opportunity to do an emergency appeal, in order to be able to have somebody else bring the papers. And unfortunately, this isn't about the rule of law. This is about trying to control the policy. And that's the big problem.

GLENN: Right.

You know, the left cheered when Joe Biden didn't just go against the district court.

He went against the Supreme Court.

And said, well, they told me, I couldn't spend this money.

Which is clearly unconstitutional. And, you know, we're just going to give all these refunds. And pay all these people's school bills.

He couldn't do that. And then when Supreme Court came out, and said, I will just find another way to do it.

He did it over and over and over again.

I don't have a problem. If you are violating the Constitution.

If President Trump is violating the Constitution, that is the Supreme Court's job to say, hang on!

You can't do that. It is not the district court's place, to stop an administrator from doing administrative work.

It is the Supreme Court's place. And, I mean, I suppose, you as a district judge could get involved.

I don't think you should. At least at this kind of level.

That they are. You know, no district court said, hey. You have to turn the Enola Gay around.

No. The president. That's his responsibility to do that.

Not court!

Congress, yes!

Not a court. How far out of control is all of this? Just to put it into perspective for the average person.

HIRAM: Well, look, what's going on is you have one judge issuing an injunction against the entire United States government. That -- that is embodied in the power of one man. The only person who is elected by the entire nation, and the entire executive branch is housed in one person and the people that that person decides to employ. In order to -- in order to effectuate policy. Then you have this one district court judge. Not elected by everybody. Who is telling that person what to do.

Look, what really needs to happen is the Supreme Court needs to put a clamp on this. And -- and at the very least, all of these decisions, they need to be -- they need to be put on ice. Until they go to the US Supreme Court, for the final resolution. Now, if the court says, hey. I agree with that why.

That's fine.

That's the Supreme Court.

Then Congress can step in, and fix it.

That's where the rubber meets the road.

That -- and the left, maybe they complained. Remember, during the Biden administration, it's all about forum shopping (phonetic). Do you remember the discussions?

GLENN: Oh, yeah, remind people.

HIRAM: Yeah. Look, all the left complained about is, well, any time anyone wants to sue the Biden administration, you know, they go to Texas! You know, and they go find some district court judge in Texas.

Well, I've noticed that. I have noticed that none of the people on the left, they're suing the Trump administration. Their cases are in Texas, right?

They're going to go find their judges.

And here's the fascinating part.

You remember all those attacks on judges?

I mean, Judge Kacsmaryk in Amarillo had a billboard, just outside his neighborhood. That reminded his kid of what a horrible person he is. All right?

GLENN: I remember that.

HIRAM: And you don't see -- I never saw the Federal Judge's Association issue a statement, the judicial independence, of Judge Kacsmaryk. And that's why the Judge Ho actually resigned recently. Circuit Judge Ho resigned from the federal judge's administration. Because he basically couldn't stand.

What he said, was he couldn't stand hypocrisy of what was going on, with the fact that they now issued a statement, trying to defend independence of the judiciary.

Because, you know, all this rhetoric about all these judges are -- that's a threat to judicial independence.

The hypocrisy runs thick here.

The left is against injunctions, until they're for them.

They're against judicial independence, until they need it.

They are -- they are constantly switching sides, just because it's a fight about power.

And whatever gives them the power.

So look, bottom line is this. It's up to Congress.

There's a bill in front of Congress. They're debating it now.

Hopefully, that they can address nationwide injunction. Look, Glenn, one thing I will say is this: When we represented Navy SEALs to sue the United States Navy because of the COVID vaccine mandate, violating their religious -- their religious objections to taking the vaccine. We had Navy SEALs.

We didn't do a nationwide injunction at First Liberty. We actually did the right thing. We filed a class-action lawsuit.

We followed all the rules of filing class-action lawsuit. And that's how we were able to win. We defeated the Navy. There is a way to do this right, getting rid of nation-wide injunctions is not going to hamper everybody.

Everybody can do it the way we did it at First Liberty, and still win.

GLENN: Yeah. I'll tell you. But you know and I know, it's not about winning. This is just about destruction. This is just about hobbling this administration, so he can't get anything done. They'll just keeping moving on from one another. They've already planned I think another 100 lawsuits by the end of the year. He hasn't done anything yet!

And they've already, yeah. You know, wait until you see what's coming next fall.

What? What are you talking about?

How are you planning on these lawsuits, in advance?

HIRAM: Look, it's called lawfare. The left has always been better at it. Have you noticed, they have to attack, the left has to attack the Supreme Court.

You know, we had to come out in great defense, judicial independence. You know, the left loves judicial independence for their district court judges. But they never talk about it for the Supreme Court. They don't mind the protesters, outside Justice Kavanaugh's house.

You know, with his daughters like looking out the window to see people chanting, death to their dad, right?

The rest of the does not care about the attacks to the Supreme Court.

Because they don't believe that they own the Supreme Court anymore.

You go back in time. When the left had a strange hold on the US Supreme Court.

You go back 20 years.

Oh. Oh. Oh. The American Bar Association.

They tell you, all they ever talk about was judicial independence. All they ever talked about was defending the judiciary. Look, it's not about principle for the left.

It's just about power. And on our side, we have -- we have fought principally, and with principles, in order to try to advance the mission that we want to advance in court.

And it's time that the Supreme Court put a clamp town on some of the nonsense. Or Congress.

One of those two will have to do it.

GLENN: Hiram, thank you so much. Hiram Sasser, he is the First Liberty Institute executive general counsel.

You can find their website. And support them. FirstLiberty.org or on X at First Liberty.

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Salena Zito reveals WHY Trump said “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

“I have a new purpose,” then-candidate Donald Trump told reporter Salena Zito after surviving the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Salena joins Glenn Beck to reveal what Trump told her about God, his purpose in life, and why he really said, “Fight! Fight! Fight!”, as she details in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland”.

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GLENN: Salena, congratulations on your book. It is so good.

Just started reading it. Or listening to it, last night.

And I wish you would have -- I wish you would have read it. But, you know, the lady you have reading it is really good.

I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are. That I think I've ever read, from anybody.

It's really good.

And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well. Welcome to the program.

SALENA: Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this, as I was ready to come on. You and I have been along for this ride forever. For what?

Since 2006? 2005?

Like 20 years, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

SALENA: And I've been chronicling the American people for probably ten more years, before that. And it's really remarkable to me, as watching how this coalition has grown. Right?

And watching how people have the -- have become more aspirational.

And that's -- and that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah. Has been -- has been, a great honor.

GLENN: You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, when -- when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

No. The Tea Party was not going to start a new party.

It was to -- you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing. And it worked in many ways. It didn't accomplish what we hoped.

But it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that. And a lot of the people that were -- right?

Were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.


SALENA: That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements, that have been just outside of a party. Or within a party.

That galvanize and broaden the coalition. Right? They don't take away. Or walk away, and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost a Republican Party.

Because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways. And the Tea Party didn't go away. It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party. Because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents. It was Democrats.

And just unhappy with the establishment Republicans. And unhappy with Democrats.

And that -- that movement is what we -- what I see today.

What I see every day. What I saw that day, in butler, when I showed I happen at that rally.

As I do, so many rallies, you know, throughout my career. And that one was riveting and changed everything.

GLENN: You made a great case in the opening chapter. You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump.

And how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump.

Changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train, until this.

SALENA: Yeah.

GLENN: Moment. What do I -- what changed? How -- how did that work?

And -- and I contend, that we would have much more profound change, had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was. Pragmatism

SALENA: You know, and people will find this in the book. I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm 4 feet away from the president.

And there's -- there's notices coming up on my phone. Saying, he was hit by broken glass.

And to this take, that remains part of this sibling culture, in American politics.

Because reporters were -- were so anxious to -- to right what they believed happened.

As opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine, as a reporter, who is on the ground, all the time.

And I'll tell you, what changed in that moment.

And I say a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation, that I had with President Trump, the next day. He called me the next morning.

But it's a powerful conversation I had with him, just two weeks ago.

When he made this decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

People have put in their heads, why they think he said it. But he told me why he said that. And he said, Salena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man. I was a former president. I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country, and to the office that I have served in, to project strength. To project resolve.

To project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like a symbolic eagle, that is always -- you know, that symbol that we look at, when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that. I didn't want the people behind me panicking. I didn't want the people watching, panicking.

I had to show strength. And it's that nuance -- that I think people really picked up on.

And galvanized people.

GLENN: So he told me, when he was laying down on the stage.

And you can hear him. Let me get up. Let me get up.

I've got to get up.

He told me, as I was laying on the stage. I asked him, what were you thinking? What was going through your head? Now, Salena, I don't know about you.

But with me. It would be like, how do I get off the stage? My first was survival.

He said, what was going on through his mind was, you're not pathetic. This is pathetic.

You're not afraid. Get up.

Get up.

And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight, of that by the time that he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol? Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic. It makes you look weak.

Stand up. How do you think that actually happened?

SALENA: He thinks, and we just talked about this weeks ago. He -- you know, and this is something that he's really thought about.

Right? You know, he's gone over and over and over. And also, purpose and God. Right? These are things that have lingered with him.

You know, he -- he thought, yes.

He did think, it was pathetic that he was on the ground. But he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground. I need to get up, and I need to show that my country is strong.

That our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic.

Right?

And I think that then goes to that image of Biden.

GLENN: You have been with so many presidents.

How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with, would have thought that and reacted that way?

SALENA: Probably only Reagan. Reagan would have. Reagan probably would have thought that.

And if you remember how he was out like standing outside.

You know, waving out the window. Right?

After he was shot.

GLENN: At the hospital, right.

SALENA: Had he not been knocked out, unconscious, you know, he probably would have done the same thing.

Because he was someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism does not go lay on the ground.

GLENN: And the symbol.

Right. The symbol of the presidency.

SALENA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that affects him today.

GLENN: So let me go back to God.

Because you talked to him the next day. And your book Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would be ashamed of you. On what you said to him.

The language you used. That you just have to read the book.

It's just a great part.

But he calls you the next morning. And wants to know if you're okay.

And you -- you then start talking to him, about God.

And I was -- I was thinking about this, as I was listening to it. You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't -- I wasn't a Christian.

Even though, he was.

I wasn't a Christian, when I was elected. I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Is -- is -- I mean, I believe Donald Trump always believes in God, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you think there was a real profound change at Butler with him?


SALENA: Absolutely. You know, he called me seven times that day. Seven times, the take after seven.

GLENN: Crazy.

SALENA: Talked about. And I think he was looking for someone that he knew, that was there. And to try to sort it out.

Right? And I let him do most of the talking. I didn't pressure him.

At all. I believed that he was having -- you know, he was struggling. And he needed to just talk. And I believed my purpose was to listen.

Right? I know other reporters would have handled it differently. And that's okay. That's not the kind of reporter that I am.

And I myself was having my own like, why didn't I die?

Right?

Because it went right over my head.

And -- and so I -- he had the conversation about God.

He's funny. I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he had talked profoundly about purpose. You know, and God.

And how God was in that moment.

It --

GLENN: I love the way you -- in the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own he head.

He was like, you know, I -- I -- I always knew that there was some sort of, you know -- that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened.

I look back at all of the trials.

All of the tribulations. Literally, the trials.

All of the things that have happened. And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

SALENA: Yes. He does. And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him. Because I'm telling you. And y'all know, I can talk. I didn't say much of anything.

I just -- I just listened. I felt that was my purpose, in that moment.

To give him that space, to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic. I followed my faith.

And -- and so, I thought, well, this is why God put me here. Right?

And to -- to have that -- to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Salena. Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, sir. I don't know. I thought you were Ross Perot for a second.

He never has a chart. And he laughed. And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

By that term, I never turned my head away from people at the rally. That's true.

That relationship is very transactional. It's very -- they feed off of each other.

It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally. Because he has a way of talking at a rally. That you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away. And then he says to me, that was God, wasn't it?

Yes, sir. It was. It was God.

And he said, that's -- that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn. I think it's important, when you look at the breadth of what has happened, since he was sworn in.

You see that purpose, every day.

He doesn't let up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book.

Where you find out, that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington. And how different the country would have been, had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be, had President Trump died in that moment. There would be --

GLENN: We're talking to -- we're talking to Salena Zito. About her new book called Butler. The assassination attempt on President Trump. And it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good. I wish the press would read it. Because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are. Who are, you know, red staters. It is so good at that. She's the best at that.