RADIOOctober 12, 2022

THIS Labor Dept. rule would DESTROY your economic freedom

Biden’s Labor Department recently proposed a new rule that not only would result in jobs lost, but it would CRUSH your economic freedom as well. Carol Roth, economic expert and author of ‘The War On Small Business,’ joins Glenn to explain how this policy would flip the gig economy upside down — along with the millions of contracted workers within it. And even worse? Roth says the big players involved — like Uber and DoorDash, for example — could survive such a change. But it’s far less likely the small business owner could say the same. This is a BIG win for BIG business, BIG government, and the BIG unions…

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GLENN: Okay. So Uber, DoorDash, plunged in the stock market, as the labor department proposes gig worker change. What does this mean?

CAROL: So I wrote about this in the war on small business. This is one of those things that sounds really nice in theory. And is absolutely terrible for economic freedom. This is basically taking California's AB5 law. And we know that California is, you know, the stomping ground, the place where they test every bad idea that they want to take national. And they basically said, if you are an independent contractor, hmm that's not really going to work for us anymore. We're going need to you. Unless you have your own business entity, and start running yourself like a business entity, we are going need to you to be an employee. And that creates all kinds of issues. Not just for Uber and Lyft. They like to sell it. As we're going after the big guys.

But really, for 32.6 million small businesses and the 53 million people, who want to have flexible work -- because as a small business owner, for me to have to bring somebody on, when I might only need them, once a month, during a business season. Or what not. Now I have to make them an employee. I have to pay insurance for them. I have to pay their portion into Social Security.

It may screw up my 401(k) plans, and my set plans, and all these kinds of things. Because now you have all these employees who weren't employees and now are employees. And it just trickles through your business. I, as a small business owner, can't afford that. These bigger guys, they have access to capital.

They have big human resource departments. They, even though some of them are fighting it, you know, some of them love it. Because it shakes out all of the competition, and then from your standpoint, it takes away your economic freedom.

You know, they like to talk about choice. Well, what about your work, your choice? Why do you not get to work?

I want to work flexibly. I want to work, maybe one day on Uber. One day on DoorDash. One day on something else.

And the idea that just because -- you know, somebody uses your platform from time to time to earn money. I mean, is your babysitter going to become your employee now? The guy who does your shoeshine. You use him every week. So why is he not your employee?

But this is a giveaway to the unions.

GLENN: Unions.

CAROL: To the big special interests. And to certain big businesses, that will crush economic freedom in this country.

GLENN: It is -- I just had a guy from DoorDash. We ordered something from some restaurant. And they forgot a salad. Now, I wasn't disappointed. My wife was disappointed.

This guy comes, and he is so great. And usually, when you have a salad, as they're walking back to their car, you can have like two pizzas missing. And they'll like, yeah. Call them. And they'll just deduct it.

This guy was like, no. No, no, no, no. I'll go pick it back up.

I'll let him know the mistake. And I'll go pick it back up. And we're like, no, really, you don't have to. It's a salad. And I'm bargaining. Please, don't, I'll pay extra, if you don't go get it. He said, no, no, no.

I have to go get it. I tried to tip him. He wouldn't take a tip. He said, you know what, I have crashed -- my life has crashed. My wife left me. She was cheating on me. He said, I've gone back to school. I'm going to get my doctorate in whatever.

And he said, I'm providing a good service. You've already tipped me enough. I want a fair deal. And I want to do my job with integrity. And I thought, this guy is fantastic.

CAROL: Where can we hire this guy? Did you get his phone number?

GLENN: I know. He's fantastic. Just totally fantastic.

But he's looking at it because he can do that, when he has time. When he's not studying or going to school.

CAROL: Right. Exactly.

GLENN: That is huge for the American people. Huge.

CAROL: We have all kinds of job openings. We have 1.67 jobs open for every person.

If you want to become an employee, you have that opportunity. People don't want that. They want the flexibility. They want the opportunity to be their own boos.

Do what they want to do on their time, and you have the government saying, I'm sorry. We can't make a contract together. I can't do what I want. And say, Glenn, I'm going to work with you, from time to time. That's not okay. We will dictate that to you. We want more taxes. We want to interfere. And what ends up happening is it takes those jobs away.

It makes them go away. Because the reasons these models exist around the gig economy, is because they are independent contractors. And it works for beet parties.

When they go out and survey these independent contractors. And say, would you rather be employees?

The overwhelming majority say, no!

So the only people that are benefiting. Again, big special interests. Big government. Big business.

GLENN: Yeah. Is -- I mean, can they just do it? Can the labor department just do this?

PAT: There will be a comment period. And I will put something up on my Twitter. We need people in -- just like you vote. You need your voices. Call your representatives. You need to comment. Tell them to keep the government out of economic freedom. Let people work the way they want to work. Absolutely no on this.

GLENN: Do they actually listen to the comment thing?

CAROL: So I have been told that, you know, so few people. Maybe not the comments. But when you call your reps. So few people actually pick up the phone and call, that if they get 20 calls. They're freaking out. That's like a barrage.

So you actually can. If you get a group of people together, make a difference. Because it's kind of like Twitter. You know, all of a sudden, a few people start saying something. And then everybody is saying this.

It's that squeaky wheel, that gets the oil.

That vocal minority, that can affect change. And especially right now, everybody is on edge, with the economy.

GLENN: Yeah. Last thing we should do is start cutting jobs.

CAROL: Yeah. Exactly. Seems like not a great idea.

GLENN: One last story, federal reserve announced six large banks are going to participate in pilot climate scenario, of social credit system.

What the hell -- what does this -- I think I know what that means. Do you know exactly what this means?

Because they're saying, oh, no, no, no.

This is just -- everything that is bad is a conspiracy theory. This is -- we're just trying to see this climate thing, play out, to see if we can be stable and if the credit score thing will work?

CAROL: Yeah. I mean, whatever they're saying it's not going to be, you can pretty much count on, that's what it's going to be. And that's the concern over the Federal Reserve potentially rolling out a currency they control, a central bank, digital currency. Not control where they control the money supply, but where they can actually control the one that you own. And they can program it. And they can take away your ability to use it. And all those kinds of things.

So my guess is sort of what they're piloting. They're already talking about CBDCs. They're already trying to develop that.

And so much like we've seen, some private companies try to do lately. But say, well, you know, we're not happy with -- you ate too much meat, this month, and so we're not going to let you buy this burger.

We're just going to shut that access down. But, hey. If you buy the healthy salad. You can access it. If not, you'll have to wait to access the money.

Again, the opportunity here for just massive control, and lack of economic freedom, is the most un-American thing I can think of.

GLENN: There was one other thing, that I wanted to talk to you about. We talked about it yesterday. Gosh, it was just in my head yesterday, it just slipped out. I can't remember.

CAROL: PayPal. Central Bank, digital currencies.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, PayPal is what I'm going to get into tomorrow, because we just ran out of time. PayPal, you know, they said, oh, yeah. We're -- that was a mistake. All of that stuff.

Did you see what happened, Stu?

STU: They're saying they're going to fine --

GLENN: Yeah. They said they were going to fine people, $2,500. You know, if you broke their standards.

Their standards were way broad. And then they came back and said, how did that policy come in here? We must have mice in the equipment here.

CAROL: And it was specific to misinformation. Because there are actually a couple of other things, that they still fine you for, that they didn't take away. This is a new thing that they added around misinformation. The question is why is a payment provider, hiring a team, to monitor information.

Like, on what planet does that make sense, other than the planet that we've been talking about? Where, you know, all these different forces, come together. And basically, you know, expire, using my word. To take away your economic freedom.

GLENN: So let me just give you this.

Dan Schulman. You know who he is, Stu?

He's the head now, of PayPal.

And his folks, and this is all on his stuff.

Democratizing and transforming financial services and ecommerce, to improve the financial health of billions of people, family and businesses all around the world. He has vast experience with payments and mobile technology.

He's now leading PayPal to, quote, reimagine how people move and manage money. And how merchants and consumers interact and transact.

That's great. PayPal has now been listed as one of the top companies on just capital. Capital letters. Just -- just capital.

CAROL: Just.

GLENN: And Forbes' just 100 list. Featuring companies doing right by America. PayPal has also been recognized as fortune change the world company for its work on tackling the biggest challenges facing society.

Dan's leadership. Now, listen to this. An impact to be recognized by several notable organizations.

When I hear this --

CAROL: Can I guess? Can I guess? Is it the World Economic Forum?

GLENN: Well, when you hear this, you'll think, holy cow, what are they washing this guy for?

He is one hundred black men of New York honor Dan with the excellence in economic empowerment award. New York Urban league presented him with the Frederick Douglass Award. Let's see.

In 2021, he also received the Voices of Solidarity Award, presented by vital vices.

He has won the Oak Crown Honor, presented by prime minister Xavier Bettel. In 2020, the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award.

He won the Ripple of Hope Award. Dan was recognized by Endeavor Global with the high impact leader of the year award. For his work --

CAROL: Anything financial on that list, Glenn?

GLENN: So far, no. So far, no. However, he's on the Council for Economic Education.

CAROL: Okay.

GLENN: Dan was recognized with the Brandon Legacy Award, in honor of the late Supreme Court justice. You know, who he had a lot in common with common human dignity, with her.

Also, he's a doctor of humane letters. Blah, blah, blah.

Now, ranked third on Fortune's list of the world's greatest leaders. This guy cannot get more awards, right?

He's top 20 businesspersons of the year. Name one of the most 100 creative people. One of the top 50 CEOs. Top ten most innovative CEOs in banking.

He's also a life member of the Council of Foreign Relations. He's also with the World Economic Forum as a member of their international business council. And the Board of Governors. And the board of stewards, for the future of financial and monetary systems platformed.

CAROL: Shocked. Shocked. I tell you, when I heard the word reimagined. The last thing that came into my mind, was the World Economic Forum. Shocking.

GLENN: Yeah. And he's not just on -- with the world economic forum. He is part of the WEF International Business Council.

CAROL: Lord. And you know what is so crazy, go back to who were the two founders of PayPal was the merger of Elon Musk's X.com and Peter Thiel. These guys who are so interested in freedom and free speech. And now look what it's become. We'll have to get them to come back and save PayPal too.

GLENN: I know. I know. They're both embarrassed what it has become. Both embarrassed. Thank you so much, Carol. We'll talk again.
CAROL: It's such a pleasure.

GLENN: Carol Roth. CarolRoth.com/Glenn.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

Transcript

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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