RADIOJanuary 29, 2025

Trump Team Reveals the TRUTH About the New Jersey Drones

The Trump Team is handling the media amazingly, and Glenn and Stu have the highlights. They review the first press conference for White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt and her big revelation about the mysterious New Jersey drones: the government knew about and authorized them. So, why did the Biden administration not tell us that?! It’s time for the truth to be revealed about this and much more, Glenn says, including about who was running the government during the Biden administration and who forced Joe Biden out of the 2024 election.

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GLENN: Let's just first start with how I think how competent this administration is. All of the people that are being put into roles. How competent they are.

Let's start with an interview, with Stephen Miller.

With Jake Tapper. I mean, you can see the disgust in Jake Tapper's face. He's -- hmm, he's -- he's pretty transparent. Listen to this.

VOICE: How does President Trump make sure that the effort to deport people who are not in this country, legally, doesn't end up hurting Americans who want safe borders, absolutely. But also, don't want to see even more higher prices in groceries.

VOICE: Well, I'm sure it's not your position, Jake. Just asking the question. That we should supply America's food. With exploitative illegal labor. Obviously that's what you're applying. One percent of alien workers in the entire country work in agriculture. The top destination for illegal aliens are large cities like New York, like Los Angeles, and small industrial towns, of course all across the heartland, as we've seen with the Biden flights. None of those illegal aliens are doing farm works. Those 30,000 illegal aliens that Joe Biden dumped into Springfield --

VOICE: Yeah. I'm talking about the --

VOICE: No, no, no. But I'm explaining this to you. It's important to understand.

VOICE: No, you're kind of changing the subject.

GLENN: Is he changing the subject?

STU: Not really. Yeah.

VOICE: You and your audience.

VOICE: I'm talking about the ones that could -- that work in the agriculture industry.

I'm not talking about the ones in the city, I swear.

VOICE: I'll do the whole answer!

The illegal aliens that Joe Biden brought into our country are not, full-stop, doing farm work.

They are not!

The illegal aliens he brought in from Venezuela, from Haiti, from Nicaragua. They are not doing farm work. They are inner cities collecting welfare.

As for the farmers, there is a guest worker program that President Trump supports.

Over time, as well, you will transition into automation, so you will never have to have this conversation ever again.

But there's no universe in which --

GLENN: Look how disgusted his face is. Jake Tapper.

VOICE: -- to flood our nation with millions of illegal aliens, who just get to stay here.

GLENN: I think that is a totally reasonable answer.

And I really think that we should start asking people about farm labor and cheap labor, and they're using that as a defense.

Oh! I'm sorry. I didn't realize we were in the 1850s, again.

Okay. So you have no -- no problem with exploiting people, as long as they're out picking your food. Okay. I've got it. I just want to understand where you're coming from. Because that is what they are arguing.

STU: It's amazing too. The media really hates Donald Trump. I'm not breaking news with that.

But they may hate Stephen Miller more. They can't stand him!

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

STU: And I will say, you may not agree with Stephen Miller's opinion on these things.

He knows this stuff really well.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

STU: You're not going to -- he knows immigration issues. These are the issues that got him to the position that he's in.

And you're not going to get on there, and stump him on that stuff.

GLENN: And I think everyone needs to learn from what this administration is saying.

They've been saying for the last couple of days is: Are you okay -- I just want to be on the record with you.

Are you okay saying that we should exploit people for cheaper prices?

I just -- because it puts you -- it puts the Democrats where they have always been, since the 1800s. Yes.

It's going to affect our life, if we get rid of these slaves. Yes. It's going to affect my lawn care prices. It's going to affect my food prices. My orange prices.

Okay! That's fine.

I just want to make sure that I understand clearly, that that is where you stand. Because then we can take a conversation, honestly, now, and we can talk about two things.

Is that right for you to think that? Or does that kind of put you back into the old-timey days with slavery?

STU: Even if -- it's one of those things that even if it made the prices go up slightly.

It will be the type of thing that Americans will be okay with.

They didn't like the slavery thing. I think we're off that bandwagon.

GLENN: And it's different.

Because I have an Apple product. Okay. I have Apple products in my house. I know those are made by slaves. I hate that. But it's the best product. And how I justify it, in my head.

And this is exactly the thing they did in the 1800s, as well.

I justified in my head, well, I'll never be able to change China.

Not going to change China. And we are working to change China, in any way we can.

STU: Also -- context also matters there. A lot of the jobs that we -- again, slavery, it was a is specific thing. We compare a lot of things to slavery. To be clear, even illegal immigrants here, are not slaves. Typically. Some of them are. Some of them are, probably.

GLENN: But it's still exploitation of people for cheaper prices.

STU: And I will say, especially when you're talking about China, and products in other countries, you have to put context into it.

You know, the pay that they get there, if it were here, would be terrible! If it's there, lots of times, it's the best job in the area.

That's not always true. It's something that you have to consider.

GLENN: Yeah. So now let's go to the new press secretary.

Caroline Leavitt. She was I thought really, really good yesterday.

She did seem a little nervous.

When you're walking into a shark tank --

STU: To be expected, your first day. Right?

GLENN: Absolutely.

But I thought she did really well.

At first, she started the press conference with some breaking news about the drones. Cut three.

VOICE: And before I turn to questions, I do have news directly to the president of the United States. That was just shared with me in the Oval Office.

From President Trump directly.

An update on the New Jersey drones.

After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were also hobbyists, recreational, and private individuals, that enjoy flying drones. In the meantime -- in time, it got worse due to curiosity. This was not the enemy.

A statement from the president of the United States, to start his briefing with some news.

GLENN: How do you feel about that? That answer?

STU: I mean, you know me. I don't --

GLENN: That's where you were.

STU: That's kind of where I was. Kind of where I figured it would land. Now, those are words directly from President Trump's mouth. I don't know why he would lie about it.

GLENN: I don't think he would.

STU: I don't think he would. I'm not shocked where that lands.

GLENN: I'm not satisfied. And I know President Trump is not satisfied with these things either. That's a good opening statement. What I would like to see is the transparency of, here are the documents from the FAA approving these things. I don't need to know what they were testing. But here's what they said.

The -- the Biden administration decided to close that down, because -- or, you know, not tell you about this.

Not spread these to the American people.

I don't know why. Maybe it's they cause chaos.

But they were also very incompetent on a lot of things. So I don't know why it wasn't verified.

But I would like to see the documentation. It would help, because we don't trust anything anymore.

I do trust Donald Trump to tell us the truth. Because I do believe he -- he answers to us. I do believe that. He doesn't have an ulterior motive.

I think the -- I think the shooting, honestly, proved that out.

STU: For people -- I mean, you were -- I wouldn't say the biggest, you know, theorist of this.

But you were concerned and asked a lot of questions. There are people who are much, much more deeply into this, than you were.

What's the reaction from that side? Do they buy that?

GLENN: No.

STU: I mean, a lot of them like Trump.

GLENN: No. I think -- here's where I would go in my mind, is, well, Trump is saying that, because of national security.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: He can't say anything else. You know what I mean?

I think you've got to -- you will go down a road. And that's why I say, I would like to see the documentation. Just show me the documentation, so we can write these things off.

We're talking to comber next hour. And it's the same kind of thing.

I don't care if people are arrested anymore. I just want to know the truth. And I want to see it in documents. I want the proof of what was going on.

I want to know who was running the White House, and our country, in the last six months.

STU: I'm with you on that.

GLENN: I think that's really important.

STU: Huge one. We have these big things. We just kind of stop.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: You know, the -- there is some news on this that broke the other day.

But like, the lab leak, COVID situation. Like just -- China just gets away with this. Is that how this works?

Like we just -- you know, 25 million people died in the world. And we will just be like, oh, man.

Remember that whole story of the Pangolins? Like we will try to shrug our shoulders, and let that go on.

We all lost a year of our lives, and we will be like, you know. What's the big deal?

I mean, I don't know exactly how you punish them. I know Trump is obviously very focused on.

Not only punishment, but also getting answers on this stuff. But we can't just let that go.

GLENN: I don't think he is. With the stopping all funding on everything to make sure for 90 days. We want to make sure that this is all in line with the agenda of the United States.

But also, I think it was over the weekend.
He stopped any communication from NIH, CDC. Any of these organizations.

GLENN: Yeah.

You are not to change your website. You are not to make any statements on, hey, we just did a research study. Nothing. You do nothing, until we get a handle on what's really going on.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: I think that's really good.

STU: I'm not saying, that wasn't a Trump criticism.

GLENN: No. I know.

STU: It's a society criticism. We do tend to just move on from this stuff. China, especially here.

If the foundation of all of that chaos, was them letting this out of this lab. Which I believe it was, there has to be ramifications for that. Same thing with the last six months. Six months isn't long enough.

The last year, year and a half of the Biden administration.

Where we have multiple well-reported news stories, saying that at least six people, inside Joe Biden's inner circle, actively hid what he was doing behind the scenes, so that he could win that election.

That's not okay. We have -- something has to be done about what happened there.

We need to know. I want to know -- I want every single text, from those six people when they were planning that out.

GLENN: I want to know.

I want to know, not only who ran the government. But also, who actually forced him out?

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Who was the one that actually. Was it Nancy Pelosi?

Was it Kamala?

Was it Barack Obama?

How did that actually come down?

STU: Oh, it will be incredible. Someone will actually write a book about it.

GLENN: I'm telling you, the corruption that has happened in the last four years, the American people may not understand it, but they've got a pretty good gut. They knew something is really wrong.

And it -- you know, I think Tulsi Gabbard, DNI position, if she -- I think she's going to be the one that has the hardest time getting through.

I think everything else, before this, was, you know, rookies. Compared to what they are going to do to her. And this vote is secret. Hmm.

I've got a problem with that. We'll get into that here in just a second.

But that DNI position is I believe, and Kash Patel's position at DOJ.

Those are two of the most important. Or FBI.

The two of the most important positions.

Because they will be. You will be able to see. And they can unlock doors.

And we have a chance at a church commission.

Which must happen!

The Book of Enoch: Did Extraterrestrial Beings DESCEND in the Days of Noah?!

The Book of Enoch tells a story the Bible only hints at: A story of heavenly beings who descended to Earth, took human wives, created hybrid giants, and unleashed forbidden knowledge that corrupted the world before the Flood. Glenn Beck and researcher Timothy Alberino break down how the ancient Hebrew worldview explains the Watchers, the Nephilim, the origins of demigod myths, and why Peter and Jude referenced Enoch directly in the New Testament. From extraterrestrial terms in Scripture to the cosmic “family of God” and the divine rebellion that reshaped human history, this discussion reveals a forgotten narrative that once defined early Jewish and Christian theology. What really happened in the days of Noah, and why does it matter now?

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Cracker Barrel CEO speaks out about DISASTROUS logo in exclusive upcoming interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

Democrats' latest attempt to tie Trump to Epstein scandal falls flat

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.