The tale of two Ron Paul supporters: The typical Ron Paul caller

After hearing from a rational and reasonable Ron Paul supporter, Glenn was feeling pretty good about taking more calls from the supporters.

Didn’t take long for the more typical Ron Paul fanatic to surface on the phone lines. First the caller accuses Glenn of being bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby (which, interestingly, was conspiracy theory featured prominently in the racist Ron Paul Newsletters from the 90′s). After that failure he went on to an even bigger one. What started as a defense of Ron Paul’s foreign policy ended up being a declaration that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad & Osama Bin Laden were ‘not crazy’ in any way shape or form. If you are a glutton for punishment – listen to the call in the clip above.

“Hey, Glenn, how are you?” The caller said. “I’m definitely a Ron Paul supporter, and I definitely believe that your interests are, for America are put after Israel’s interest and you’re operating on behalf of Israel and not America.”

“I believe you took your 30 pieces of silver for Israel over America,” he continued.

After accusing Glenn of being a paid member of the Israeli lobby, the caller went on to say that Osama Bin Laden was justified because Americans have “bombed his people and we killed his women and children with bombs and airplanes.”

Of course the biggest doozy?

“Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, they’re not crazy?” Glenn asked him.

“No.” he said. He later added “What makes Ahmadinejad crazy? What makes him crazy?”

Needless to say, the call didn’t last much longer after that. Glenn thanked the caller and joked that he was doing a service to Ron Paul by spouting his his crazy rhetoric.

“This guy’s crazy, I believe uneducated, a conspiracy theorist, and a bigot,” Glenn said of the caller.

  • landofaahs

    Glenn, we all know Israel is not paying you for your loyalty.  Your loyalty stems from your mormon belief that as a mormon you are of the lost tribes of Israel.  So they get your loyalty for free.
    But on to my other points.  When we received the intel from England about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, where do you think that intel came from?  I believe, though can’t prove that the intel came from 2 main sources.  Israel and Saudi Arabia.  These countries have a vested interest in tying us to that region through the need of their oil.  If we were energy independent, would we even care about the crap going on over there?  They need us as their cops but also because they get rich off of our oil and trade, not to mention foreign aid.
    The democrat party supports all the organizations that stop us from being independent from other countries and we all know who controles that party. CSJFDSWT’s and of course A’s. LOL

  • Anonymous

    “This guy’s crazy, I believe uneducated, a conspiracy theorist, and a bigot,” Glenn said of the caller.

    Cherry picking callers in a three-vs-one clown-fest-smack-down tells me nothing about you and your mini-clowns or Ron Paul. And picking on somebody who cannot present an educated argument tells me nothing about Ron Paul, but it tells me what a coward you are. That call was a joke.

    I could easily find hundreds, perhaps thousands of uneducated, irrational individuals who are fans of Glenn Beck and present you in a very bad light.. Just look on Youtube at some of the Glenn Beck fans for a sample of what a joke that many of them are. Do they represent you, Glenn?

    Glenn, you’re a clown who will never be half the man Ron Paul is or was. If you have a problem with Ron Paul, then why don’t you have Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Peter Schiff on your show for a 3-vs-3? Then we’ll see what happens. Personally I’d like to see Peter Schiff rip your a new one over your dishonest dealings with GOLDLINE.

  • Anonymous

    I am sick and tired of hearing how most people are for attacking Iran.  China and russia have warned that attacking Iran will cause them to come to the aid of Iran.  China has even said that attacking Iran may cause WW3. The US needs to concentrate on the US.  Families are suffering because our country needs more jobs.  Lets stop being the policemen of the world and get this country running the way it needs to be.  Dont just listen to what Glenn or anyone else says.  Glenn is a very smart man, but research the topics yourself and become informed.  Just because a person on the radio or tv supports a certain individual that does not mean you have too as well!! Decide for yourself America!!

  • landofaahs

    Do you really think Russia or China want to be under Islamic domination?  Russia has problems with their own muslim extremist neighbors.  Israel has nothing to lose by going to war with Iran if they are really threatened in the way we are led to believe.  What percentage of Israeli’s want to go to war with Iran.  If israel really sees Iran as a threat, that number should be very high.

  • landofaahs

    If you buy gold or silver, they will push the old coins because their greater profits are in that area.

  • Jordon McKee

    It’s not about attacking Iran.  It’s about defending Israel (the only democratic republic in the middle east by the way) from hateful, sadistic, war-mongering, religious zealots who are hell-bent on wiping out an entire ethnic group called the Jews.  I mean listen to what you people are saying!!!  Hitler didn’t even come outright and say he wanted to kill every Jew on the planet (until WWII had already started and we were passed preventable measures to stop Germany) but if you asked anyone in this country they would tell you that it was necessary to stop Germany because they were murdering Jews and wanting to bring an entire continent under Hitler’s new religion. 
    Yet here in our day and age is a country who is openly yelling at the world that they will wipe out not only the Jew but the entire Western culture once they have the means to do so and you people want us to sit back and watch as the only flame of democracy and rational thought in the middle east is snuffed out in the blink of an eye???  WAKE UP!!!  Look at the chess pieces that are being moved by evil.  The entire middle east has been set up through these uprisings to make the middle east all come together under one ideal to bring the world under Islamic rule and Iran is the bold dictator willing to take them there.
    Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are just pawns in this game.  They were the expendables willing to harass us and provoke us into attacking the middle east.  The real threat that has been brewing since the end of WWII is this continued idea of a superior race, superior religion that is the very opposite to Judeo-Christian beliefs.  The very opposite to peace.  The very opposite to freedom and the idea that man can rule himself. 
    Yes we made mistakes.  We thought we could kill a religious idea by invading another country but what else could we have done to prevent more attacks?  Yes our government stepped over its bounds by passing the Patriot Act.  Yes we have our own issues here because we have an irresponsible government.  Evil knows no borders though.  We allowed evil to grow all over the world including here in our own country.
    We CANNOT however sit back and abandon a country who shares the same values that we do.  We especially as Christians know our duty to watch over the Jewish home of Israel.  If we believe that God sanctified this country to allow our freedoms and our prosperity how dare we think that He doesn’t feel the same way about His people who He also made promises to.  Israel is a nation also sanctified by God. It was prophesied in the scriptures that Israel would once again become a nation. It was prophesied that the world would come against Israel and we would have the choice to stand up for it or not.
    If we let Israel fall then what will stop us from falling? If we abandon our friends then who will be there to save us when we need? We all know that we’ll need help. With our economy, our out-of-control government, our morally sick society how could we not know that we’re in trouble?
    As a God-fearing nation, as a Christian nation we have a duty to protect truth and light wherever it is. Let’s be ready for the fight that we’ve been preparing to fight all along.

  • landofaahs

    Wake up yourself.  If everything you say is true, then why are Glenn and you and all the others who think like you, not demanding we go to war immediately?  Why not?  If you can’t bring yourself to say it, then please why would anyone take you serious when you come off as an “There’s a monster that is terrible, but don’t kill lit”.

  • http://goo.gl/DvRNm Right Fielder

    When you want to focus on the fringe, it’s easy, Glenn. You can do the same with the Tea Party, the GOP, and yes, of course, with the DNC and all other political parties. That is a global norm. It shows a lack of education and perhaps even that you’re crazy if you ignore that reality.

    Glenn, it hurts your efforts when you work to demonize others.

  • Jordon McKee

    Good grief…  “If everything you say is true.”  Really?  Which part of what I said isn’t true?  11 Million people murdered at the hands of a dictator?  Iranian’s dictator saying he would wipe out Israel and America?  Or maybe you’re trying to tell me that WWII never happened at all, that Hitler never existed? 
    Go do some research on the historical events and social opinions of the world leading up to WWII.  You’ll see that things weren’t so obvious to everyone.  Most people don’t want there to be a monster.  You don’t want to believe that one can exist because it’s so ridiculous in your mind that a group of people would ever do something as monstrous as murder an entire country of people.  The same thinking existed among Americans and most of Europe right before WWII.  I mean do you think if everyone knew Hitler would slaughter 11,000,000 people that they would have just sat back and been like, “Germany?  You mean that tiny country we beat up in WWI and has a wonderful democracy now?  The one that has the loud guy with a mustache for a president?  I don’t think we need to worry about them.”  I think we all know the answer to that.
    You can’t get stuck in this state of contempt and complacency thinking that monsters like Hitler don’t exist in the world.  ESPECIALLY when they’re themselves telling you flat out that they do exist!!
    Why would Glenn, me or anyone else want to immediately resort to war if we can try to prevent war from happening?!  Why go to war with an entire country where innocent men, women, and children will die if we can just try to stop that country from getting the one thing that will allow them to go to war?  If we would have been awake enough to try to stop Hitler before he started war with Europe we would have tried.  It may have happened anyway because he had the whole country under his hypnosis but I bet we would have saved a few million Jews from dying before war actually started and we would have had our forces strategically placed to prevent countries like Poland and France from falling into German hands.  We’ve had an opportunity for the past several years to put our foot down with Iran and we just ignore them thinking they won’t do what they say they are going to do.  Will Iran still go to war if we stop them from getting a nuke?  Probably.  But we may save a few hundred thousand Jews, Christians, and Muslims from dying in a nuclear explosion that will lead to war anyway.

  • landofaahs

    What does put our foot down mean? Stomp and Yell? What exactly do you propose we do? Are you personally calling for war? Yes or no. It’s easy to call everyone names when you will state no positions and answer no direct questions.

  • Donald Dienst

    Imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of
    Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian.
    Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly
    patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here
    under the auspices of “keeping us safe” or “promoting democracy” or
    “protecting their strategic interests.”

    Imagine that they operated outside of US law, and that the
    Constitution did not apply to them. Imagine that every now and then they
    made mistakes or acted on bad information and accidentally killed or
    terrorized innocent Americans, including women and children, most of the
    time with little to no repercussions or consequences. Imagine that they
    set up checkpoints on our soil and routinely searched and ransacked
    entire neighborhoods of homes. Imagine if Americans were fearful of
    these foreign troops, and overwhelmingly thought America would be better
    off without their presence.

    Imagine if some Americans were so angry about them being in Texas
    that they actually joined together to fight them off, in defense of our
    soil and sovereignty, because leadership in government refused or were
    unable to do so. Imagine that those Americans were labeled terrorists or
    insurgents for their defensive actions, and routinely killed, or
    captured and tortured by the foreign troops on our land. Imagine that
    the occupiers’ attitude was that if they just killed enough Americans,
    the resistance would stop, but instead, for every American killed, ten
    more would take up arms against them, resulting in perpetual bloodshed.
    Imagine if most of the citizens of the foreign land also wanted these
    troops to return home. Imagine if they elected a leader who promised to
    bring them home and put an end to this horror.

    Imagine if that leader changed his mind once he took office.

    The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as
    offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be
    if they were stationed in Texas. We would not stand for it here, but we
    have had a globe-straddling empire and a very intrusive foreign policy
    for decades that incites a lot of hatred and resentment towards us.

    According to our own CIA, our meddling in the Middle East was the
    prime motivation for the horrific attacks on 9/11. But instead of
    re-evaluating our foreign policy, we have simply escalated it. We had a
    right to go after those responsible for 9/11, to be sure, but why do so
    many Americans feel as if we have a right to a military presence in some
    160 countries when we wouldn’t stand for even one foreign base on our
    soil, for any reason? These are not embassies, mind you, these are
    military installations. The new administration is not materially
    changing anything about this. Shuffling troops around and playing with
    semantics does not accomplish the goals of the American people, who
    simply want our men and women to come home. 50,000 troops left behind in
    Iraq is not conducive to peace any more than 50,000 Russian soldiers
    would be in the United States.

    Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with other nations
    with threats and violence is not isolationism. It is the opposite.
    Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the
    foreign policy of peace and prosperity. It is the only foreign policy
    that will not bankrupt us in short order, as our current actions most
    definitely will. I share the disappointment of the American people in
    the foreign policy rhetoric coming from the administration. The sad
    thing is, our foreign policy WILL change eventually, as Rome’s did, when
    all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted.

  • Anonymous

    Glen what are the differences between your conversations on your prior shows at fox, many of which I have taped for reference about what obama is doing to this country as a man dedicated to the destruction of this nation! The terms socialist, marxist, progressives (your words) was used more than once and which were your interpetations of conspiracy to harm our government and  these callers who suggest there was conspiracies referenced by the term 9/11truthers in the bush adminisration the truthers are indicating that the administration or a group of unknown associates played some part in the tragedy of 9/11 both are are directed at 9/11 but one group denies the possibility that america had any involvement in the actions and one group insist they did, both are viewed by thousands of people on both sides but what factors do either you or the truthers have to their conclusions that should forever answer the questions? Are any concerns being answered of citizens people simply call crazy and nuts to eliminate the debate! Is that what america is all about? George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were also called terrorist by King George but they proved king George wrong and he paid for his mistakes in America! 

  • Jordon McKee

    I honestly don’t know specifically.  I’m not the Pentagon.  I don’t have endless amounts of resources to make an educated decision.  But if stomping and yelling at Iran to tell them that any hostile action toward Israel will be dealt with “swiftly” (as Ron Paul puts it in regard to how we should be fighting wars) then I would take that over what this president is doing now; which is absolutely nothing.  Obama has never told or shown Iran that we mean business.
    On a side note I agree with anyone that thinks we should get the crap out of the middle east.  I agree that we shouldn’t have bases scattered over the entire world.  I agree with all of that in regards to what Ron Paul has said.  The problem that we face now with Iran and Israel though is a REAL PROBLEM.  That’s what I meant when I said we should be ready to fight the fight we should have been preparing to fight all along.

  • landofaahs

    It’s easy to make enemies, just look at how many I have on this site.  could you imagine the justifiable resentment if I were in their home ordering them around at gunpoint?  I’m not a blame America person, but more often than not, being a good neighbor means minding your own business.  A concept lost on some folks who want to tell everyone else how to live.

  • landofaahs

    I can respect that. If I were president, I would warn them that they have no more than 2 months than to allow us in to destroy their program or they would be bombed with nuclear weapons. I would tell them they have 2 weeks minimum but that after that, they could expect it at any time. I would also tell them that once started, there would be no turning back on our part until they are destroyed. I would repeat that message every 3 days. Outside of that conversation, I would be as silent as the grave and then I would sit back and wait for step 2. Now that really sounds like a crazy Ron Paul supporter huh?

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    “Your loyalty stems from your Mormon belief that as a Mormon you are of the lost tribes of Israel.”

    That’s not accurate. The Lost Tribes (from the Kingdom of Israel, not Judah) are still lost, having lost their identity as Israelites as they mixed with other peoples in (likely) Northern Asia.

    We LDS don’t say we’re from the Lost Tribes, but we do believe that most Europeans and Native Americans are descendants of Joseph (through Ephraim and Manasseh), but they aren’t among the Lost Tribes.

    I believe, though can’t prove that the intel came from 2 main sources.  Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    It’s probably not a good idea to build an argument on a “fact” that you can’t verify. The UK and France and other independent intel services opined that Iraq had WMDs. And they did. What they did NOT have was an active program to develop of WMDs, although Saddam did his dead-level best to persuade the world that he did. We found tons of yellowcake uranium and lots of older chemical weapons and other WMDs whose viability varied do to age.

  • landofaahs

    It’s not a good idea to base an argument on a “Fact” you can’t prove? Can you prove Iran is building a nuclear weapon instead of nuclear energy? How about weapons of mass destruction? Almost all intel is based on educated guesses and assumptions of some kind.

    Do mormons believe that when they are baptized they are declared to be of a certain tribe of Israel? I’m not an expert on the mormon belief and I know they have different sects. But clarify if I am wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian. Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of “keeping us safe” or “promoting democracy” or “protecting their strategic interests.”

    I’m just trying to imagine why you think your analogy is remotely valid.

    To make your analogy parallel, you would need to imagine an America under the following conditions:

    (1) The country is infested by terrorists who are hell-bent on domination both of the U.S. and as much other territory as possible.

    (2) We are being ruled by a despotic tyrant who regularly wages war on a large subset of the population, including using chemical weapons against them OR we are being ruled by a fanatical minority that shoves little girls back into their burning school because they’re not sufficiently veiled.

    (3) The terrorists have no compunction against killing civilians who refuse to join their cause.

    (4) The tyrant has rape rooms, two psychopathic sons, and civilians keep disappearing in the dead of night.

    (5) The people have no way of ousting the tyrant or the fanatical minority.

    (6) Another country that is not ruled by tyranny and that has been attacked by the American terrorists decides it’s had enough and so it invades, captures the tyrant or kills the fanatical minority, and tries to help us instill self-rule. That same country takes pains to respect cultural norms and kills the people who have killed way more civilians than any other entity.

    The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be if they were stationed in Texas.

    You can’t just plop a foreign military base in Texas and expect that to be a parallel to the Middle East. We Americans have no reason to WANT a U.S. base in our country, because we can damn well defend ourselves. Europe, South Korea, Japan, et al, WANTED our help during the Cold War because they didn’t have the strength to defend themselves. Our bases are there at THEIR invitation.

    The Middle East is ruled by tyrants and terrorists, all of whom kill innocent civilians more frequently and more ruthlessly than our soldiers ever would. Saudi Arabia ASKED us to put our bases in their country, to defend against Saddam’s aggression against Kuwait. The Iraqis and Afghanis are NOT universally opposed to our presence in their countries; they wanted help to get rid of the violent and oppressive among them.

    That things haven’t turned out to be all unicorns and skittles is partly inevitable in this mortal realm, and partly because of the politics back home that screw with the ROE and deployment and strategy.

    According to our own CIA, our meddling in the Middle East was the prime motivation for the horrific attacks on 9/11.

    Link and quotation, please. Also, the CIA is not exactly a neutral party: both the CIA and the State Department are heavily divided on how to deal with terrorism, etc, and so their publications likely reflect the view of whichever faction is ascendant at the time of publication.

  • Anonymous

    Glen check out the last topic to the caller you said does the caller agree with ahmadinjad on the 12themum my question is do you? for ahmadinjad is stating the our christian belief in the anti christ listed in the Bible is the the 12th emum the devil to the muslim hezis people in Iran(hezbollah) and will come to take them all to paradice and if you express any bible belief what so ever you should tell him to go for it when that happens our Lord Jesus Christ then returns to take his revenge on the anti christ and the satan those hezis believe in! Glen not all Ron Paul supporters who call you call for negative reasons some like myself simply want to see a better more prosperous nation!

  • Jordon McKee

    I don’t think most Ron Paul supporters are crazy.  I don’t think Glenn Beck does either which is what he was trying to say in the video.  He knows that most Ron Paul supporters are educated, rational-thinking, patriots that just want to stop the continued tirade of an out-of-control government.  I believe the same about most Ron Paul supporters.  I hate that term though.  I don’t know why we have to alienate supporters of a specific candidate.  We should be supporters of right.  I agree with most of what Ron Paul has to say because it’s the right thing.  I also agree with what some of the other candidates have to say because I believe it’s the right thing as well.  I don’t agree with treating Israel as just another country in the world and from what I’ve heard from Ron Paul himself in his stance with Israel that’s what I understand he believes.

  • Anonymous

    Why does the federal government need to defend Israel? Why are you not free to defend Israel ON YOUR OWN DIME?  What principle of governance requires the FEDS to come to the aid of Israel?    And why call Ron Paul CRAZY because he is in line with the Constitution. We never agreed to come to the aid of foreign powers as a collective, as an individual, though, you have that right. 

    Another thing. Why the use of the word “typical”? Are you in the habit of referring to Romneyites as typical Romneyites?   You seem to think if you met one Ron Paul supporter you have seen them all. If you have seen one Romney supporter, have you seen them all? If you have seen one liberal, have you seen them all? If you have seen one conservative have you seen them all? 

    Glenn, I’m a fan of yours by several years, way before you got on TV. But this constant carping about Ron Paul’s foreign policy is very narrow minded and almost myopic. From the starting gate, people have been isolating Ron Paul, almost makes you think there is a conspiracy, whether deliberate or accidental. I see my fellow Republicans united in hate against this “unelectable” candidate, but this candidate is far stronger and more correct Constitutionally than the other Republican jokes combined. 

  • Jordon McKee

    Wow!  Nicely put.  Great argument.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, that’s convenient, you believe that other countries are infested with terrorists, and that this somehow justifies you in waging holy wars upon their entire land. That’s what comes from not seeing individuals, just masses of distant flesh. You watch too much TV

  • Jordon McKee

    The argument I would make though is that Iran isn’t proving that they aren’t.  They won’t allow anyone to verify that they are just creating nuclear power and aren’t building nuclear warheads.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, define crazy. I think they are killers, but that doesn’t make them crazy, depends on the sense you define the word. Notice how you immediately label the caller with the word crazy, as though that puts him in the same category as Ahmadinejad and bin Laden. 

    So it’s a legitimate point of disagreement, your own use of the “crazy” word shows that there are multiple meanings associated with it. 

  • Anonymous

    Typical Ron Paul caller. 

    Typical radio talk show host. 

    Typical white grandmother. 

    Typical use of smear tactics to change the subject and Alinskyize the debate. 

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see, by what natural right do we have to pre  emptively inspect lands and nations that don’t belong to us? 

  • Anonymous

    I have to say, I am very much on Israel’s side, as I believe the Lord is as well. But I stop short of basing my entire judgment of a man because he believes it is more reasonable to defend our own country’s interests, than to involve ourselves in the affairs and fights of foreign nations. 

    I think Glenn liked George Washington as well, all but for his “crazy” foreign policy. 

  • landofaahs

    Should Israel be forced to prove whether or not they have nuclear weapons?

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Dude. Take a breath. Invest in punctuation. I’m having a hard time understanding your point.

    Are you drawing any kind of equivalence between Conspiracy Theories (such as Trutherism) and what Glenn says Obama and his crew are up to? That both qualify as conspiracy theories? And if so, why should we believe Glenn and not the Truthers?

    Is that what you’re saying?

    George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were also called terrorist by King George but they proved king George wrong

    Michael Moore’s pronouncement that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter is utterly moronic and utterly wrong. He’s equating a TACTIC with a CAUSE, which is an epic rhetorical FAIL.

    First of all, the word “terrorism” didn’t show up in the lexicon until after the Revolutionary War, so it’s unlikely King George used the term.

    What he did call Washington and Jefferson was “Traitors to the Crown,” which they
    were, which they knew they were, which they admitted they were upon
    signing the Declaration of Independence. Being traitors to the Crown was the POINT, because they found the Crown to be tyrannical, and they wanted to overthrow that tyranny.

    But forget the fact that “terrorism” wasn’t a word back then. Terrorism is a tactic. To the extent that the Americans used “terrorist” tactics, they were terrorists. That doesn’t mean they were wrong, nor does it speak to what they were fighting FOR. Terrorists can fight for any CAUSE, whether it be domination or to instill chaos or to obtain freedom.

    Both the Americans and the British agreed that the Americans were trying
    to break away from Great Britain. Both sides agreed that the
    Americans were fighting for their political independence. Both sides said that the Americans were freedom fighters AND that they were terrorists.

    So the disagreement wasn’t about American TACTICS or even what the American CAUSE was. The disagreement was over whether the Americans OUGHT to be independent
    of Great Britain: the Americans said YES, the British said NO.

    Hence the war.

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Almost all intel is based on educated guesses and assumptions of some kind.

    Of course it is. But Iran’s aspiration to nuclear weaponry is no secret, neither is their desire to vaporize Israel, thus to prove that the Shiites are the True Warriors of Islam and to induce the chaos that will cause the Twelfth Mahdi to return.

  • landofaahs

    O.K. then, we now have enough evidence according to you to justify a first strike at our convenience. Agreed?

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Israel is known to have nukes. We’ve seen them. They developed them during the Cold War for the same reasons we did and France did and everyone else did: to deter the USSR.

    Israel is also not known to have used them, nor to have threatened to destroy anyone around them. Israel doesn’t blame its woes on a secret cabal of Muslims who wreck their lives. They’re not insane.

    Iran’s mullahs are horrible people. The Iranians hate them. The mullahs believe they have been chosen to bring back the Twelfth Mahdi by creating world chaos.

    Nuclear weapons are the shortest path to that chaos. Why would an oil-rich country need nuclear power plants?

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    The natural right to self-defense?

  • OscarK44

    Paul has small chance of being President with this kind of nonsense going on,which is a shame because he has so many great ideas when it comes to fiscal policies. Even his beliefs of shutting down a lot of our bases around the world makes sense,in saving money and minding our own borders and business,but you can’t let evil grow with out doing your best to stop it. I don’t want war,no sane person would but when you have people willing to strap a bomb to their chest and walk into a store,or nightclub just to kill several people, what do you think they would do with a nuclear bomb.Not use it because we would kill them. That reasoning just don’t work when they are that willing to die for their beliefs. I don’t have the answers but ignoring it sounds more dangerous than facing it head on.

  • landofaahs

    Are you advocating that we begin bombing them now? I mean, you just said they are insane. You cannot talk to insane people. Sanctions do not mean anything to insane people. So I will ask, are you advocating us to start bombing them and if so, when?

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    you believe that other countries are infested with terrorists, and that
    this somehow justifies you in waging holy wars upon their entire land.

    We’re waging holy wars? Since when? We’re not trying to impose Christianity or Judaism or atheism on anyone.

    The USSR wasn’t expansionist? Western Europe didn’t want us to protect them with our nuclear umbrella?

    South Korea didn’t want us to stay on to prevent North Korea from resuming the war?

    The Taliban hasn’t infested Afghanistan?

    Saddam’s Baathist party (remnants of the Nazis) wasn’t terrorizing Iraq?

    There was no reason to PUT INTO EFFECT the official U.S. policy, dating from 1998, that Saddam had to be replaced?

    The Taliban didn’t harbor bin Ladin, and bin Ladin didn’t order 9/11?

    Other countries haven’t invited us to put our bases on their land, so that they can benefit from our military might?

    You’re attempting to draw some awfully facile moral equivalence between the U.S. and China or Russia. That’s easy to do for spoiled Americans, who have never had war waged in their land in over a century.

    We don’t know what it’s like to live in a war-torn land. We don’t know what it’s like to feel the USSR breathing down our necks, licking its chops. We don’t know what it’s like to live under tyranny. We can’t imagine the chaos and horror and evil that people like Saddam and the Taliban rained down on innocent people for decades. We don’t know what it’s like to suffer as the Iraqis did, or as the Iranians do. We don’t know what it’s like to look to another nation for help.

    What if Canada went nuts and invaded us, and Australia offered their help, because our military was so stripped down we couldn’t defend ourselves?

    Wouldn’t you snap up their help without thinking? Would you resent their troops as they patrolled the streets, keeping the peace and fighting back the crazed Canucks? Would you begrudge them their Vegemite and their “shrimp on the barbie” and weird football rules if they were volunteering their blood and treasure to protect us?

    What if the country that offered its help was Mexico or Argentina or the Philippines? Would you resent their stabilizing presence in our land?

    There is no equivalence, moral or even logical, in the scenario you’ve presented. Go back to the drawing board and try again.

  • Ryan Frederick

    this guy is nuts!

  • SoThere

    But he has a friend on FaceBook and he lover me Ryan.

    LMAO

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    There’s no conspiracy against Ron Paul, only a common reaction to what he says and proposes.

    Why the use of the word “typical”?

    Because he’s been taking Paulista callers for years, and most of them sound like total nutters.

    To Glenn, yes, but whose standard for nutty is he supposed to use?

  • Jordon McKee

    When that nation threatens to wipe out another nation for absolutely no reason.  I think that’s self-explanatory.

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    So I will ask, are you advocating us to start bombing them and if so, when?

    Bombing Iran is problematic.

    First of all, the Iranian people are pro-American and so it makes no sense to bomb THEM.

    Second, the nuclear facilities were deliberately built underground, underneath population centers to deter us from sending in the bunker-busters.

    Third, bombing Iran isn’t the only way to engage them militarily, but waging a land war in mountainous Iran is as hard as if not worse than doing it in Afghanistan.

    Fourth, what I’m actually advocating is that we all acknowledge that Iran is not a rational actor and that they are indeed developing nuclear weapons.

    That’s not the same as advocating any particular method of dealing with Iran. I’ll thank you to not put words in my mouth.

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Not agreed.

    I’m arguing against your apparent reluctance to acknowledge that Iran is irrational and that they’re building nuclear weapons.

    Make the leap to military strategy on your own, thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! I used to have respect for Beck……not so much anymore. Beck is not only lacking in information, but the sophomoric attitudes of Beck and his staff towards this caller is pretty low.

  • http://twitter.com/dicentra63 Dicentra spectabilis

    Where Glenn actually went wrong with the caller was in saying that the Mullahs are crazy because they believe the Twelfth Mahdi will crawl out of a well, and the caller rightly observed that everyone’s religion contains stories that outsiders find hard to believe.

    The dynamics of a live call made it hard for the real point to be made, which is that the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad believe that they’ve been chosen to usher in the return of the Twelfth Mahdi by creating the chaos that will MAKE him return.

    That may or may not be crazy; it’s definitely DANGEROUS, and sometimes the desire to wreak havoc is called “crazy,” because the upended reality they create is as good as the torment of the organically insane.

    But Hitler wasn’t crazy: he was hell-bent on world domination to sate the demands of his psychopathy. Likewise, the Iranian leadership may be a collection of psychopaths, which means they’re not, strictly speaking, crazy, but they’re definitely not living on exactly the same planet as the rest of us.

  • mdkrause

    I wonder what the Paul supporters think of the recent ad about Jon Huntsman. Making fun of His Asian and Indian daughters that he and his wife adopted. Now I will say Paul  (spokesperson) said we regret it and we have nothing to do with these people. BUT the brand and stain is still there.  I took the add as pathetic, basically saying if your not white your  not American.  Kinda goes along with his new letters that he doesn’t know what’s in them.  Deny everything and know nothing kinda sounds like Obama. 

  • DeeDee1213

    To TOM THE Caller:  YOu are a MORON………Uneducated and you simply made a fool out of yourself on the phone today.. YOU SHOULD Pack up your bags and MOVE DIRECTLY to the Middle East..and I am very sure you will have people here willing to buy your Plane ticket. Get a life and read a book ..because you are indeed a fool..just like the Man you support.(and I agree with GLENN, if this caller TOM…represents RON PAUL supporters… We are in a serious world of hurt if he gets even close to a Nomination)

  • Ryan Frederick

    but no friends any were else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1489524484 Rebecca Leigh Randolph

    that’s how all the ones I’ve come in contact with sound….no surprise when ron paul himself has said that the cause of Islamic terrorism is the Jews!! I didn’t have any desire to hear the logic behind that because it would be the same logic that would make a claim that obama was, in fact, the second coming of Jesus Christ…with his willingness to join forces with the likes of Barney Frank and use a panel of so-called “defense experts” who ALL have ties to Soros in order to gut the military, how hasn’t Glenn looked into that one?? of all people, you know how evil that man is, Glenn!! you opened our eyes to it. why have you failed us now on that?? i’m not saying that he’s definitely a soros-funded minion, just wondering why you haven’t answered that question for us already!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1489524484 Rebecca Leigh Randolph

    i used to follow you, Glenn, and saw all of your shows on fox news…but this possibility has been thrown around and I haven’t paid an ounce of attention to anything you’ve said until today when i heard about your realization that ron paul is bat-shit crazy!! the reason that I haven’t is because you haven’t explored that possibility and i know that no one would put it past soros to have so-called republicans on his payroll (makes one wonder how mr magoo gets so much money!!) so that should almost be a standard when it comes to any politician that the idea be looked into!!

  • http://twitter.com/Ascenine Steve Coward

    I hate people like that too.  It hurt my ears to listen to listen to him.  I support Paul and I listen for reasons to not like him because I like him so much.  If that makes sense. Almost like a too good to be true type of situation.  I am looking to see what’s messed up.  Haven’t found anything that would sway me yet, but am very open to find something wrong and debate who’s idea is better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.rohrer Ken Rohrer

    I am a Ron Paul supporter but there are two things that concern me about him. 1) The committee he proposes to use to reduce military spending includes a whose who list of Soros supporters. 2) He believes that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad has made it clear that if he has them he will use them on Israel and on us. When weighing these concerns with all the other candidates, I still go for Ron Paul because I believe he is the only one who will turn our country around from the abyss we are going down. I know where he stands because he’s been consistent for 25+ years. I know that once he gets in we won’t suddenly find ourselves with yet another big government / fewer freedoms politician. I also believe that a Republican Congress would keep him in line when it comes to Iran.

  • jen

    You may want to saying “policemen of the world’ and use some other words as many voters like that the US is all over the place as they think it keeps them safer, regardless if they hate the president, like many on the right claim to do so with Obama. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.rohrer Ken Rohrer

    I agree that Glenn isn’t being paid for his loyalty to Israel. It is rooted in Christians principles. This guy was obviously NOT a typical Ron Paul supporter. Paul attracts some liberals because they mistakingly think that because he thinks government should stay out of the bedroom and other private areas that he supports liberal causes. He just believes that issues such as gay marriage and abortion should be decided in the states, not the federal government. My hunch is that this is one of his liberal supporters because of his obvious bias against Israel. As we all know, not many liberals are rational thinkers.

  • jen

    The US has no interest in their oil.  If it had interest in oil, then it would taken Iraq’s oil, but it didn’t take a drop.  Clearly, the Iranian regime (and perhaps others) have something dangerous to prove.  That doesn’t mean you should bomb them, but on the other hand, it is false to deny that they are a threat and loonies and would love for the world to be under sharia law. 

    Watch on netflix Dr. Jasser’s movie called Third Jihad, referring to their jihad in the US.

  • landofaahs

    I agree it is, which is why bombing it with nukes is the only avenue if and I mean “IF” they are what you claim they are.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t want to put words in your mouth. I just wish you had some. You hemhaw around and say how this is bad but you give NO solutions. That would put you forward for criticism. Why do people even waste time if all they are going to do is say to them you’re not rational and we know what your doing.
    And you people call Ron Paul folks irrational.

  • landofaahs

    I agree. If it went to the states to opt out oid abortion, it would save enough lives until we get enough votes to pass a constitutional amendment.
    The irrational people on the right side are just as bad as the left. Beck spent weeks telling his people about the constitution and now says we can’t just follow it all at once because we aren’t a moral enough people. The sheeple then nod their head and say yes Glenn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=708789785 Anonymous

    The problem here with your references are that the Obama administration is actually filled with people who are and have publicly admitted that they are Socialists, Marxists, and Communists – have studied and believe that the way our country works is wrong…  etc…  When it comes to teh 9/11 truthers, the answers have been out there for years, and yet – no matter what you tell them, what proof you give them – they still say “But there are still questions!”  Like their “Proof” that George Bush was “in on it” was because he spent 15 minutes reading to kids when he was supposably first told of the attack.   Truthers – have no real evidence to back up their claims…  Glenn’s claims not only have evidence to back them up – but the people who he refers to have even stated that he’s about the only one out there who “understands” them correctly.  Do your homework…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=708789785 Anonymous

    Odd…  respect for a man is suddenly gone when he doesn’t like your candidate?  Ron Paul doesn’t believe in America being a strong nation…    he doesn’t have the qualifications to be President.  He may have some great DOMESTIC ideas, but his foriegn policy would put our country into great danger (as is our Current President is doing in respect to our military) believeing that our country should not worry about the state of the rest of the world and just worry about ourselves…  especially, since we don’t manufacturer anything here in our country any longer – and so much of our survival depends greatly on the stability of the rest of the world – is, in fact, crazy.  We pull out from the very places Paul says he would pull out of, and you’ll see our entire economy collapse…  We are NO LONGER self sufficient, and our enemies would take great advantage of that fact almost immediately…  Iran is ALREADY attempting to do so…  Yes, we have an obligation to help protect our allies…  and Isreal is about the only true Ally we still have left.  If Isreal was to fall – the next target on the hit list of the middle east woudl in fact be the United States and it would again – be on our shores.  It may be too late to stop that now though with our current President… 

    I hate to say this – but when it comes to keeping our country safe – I think Obama would do better on that front than Ron Paul…  That’s my problem and why I call Ron Paul – A NUTCASE.  He’s got great DOMESTIC ideas, and I am all for what he has to say there, but you know what?  I want to live to see the day our country is prosperous again…  Ron Paul would NEVER have my vote…  Not as President…  Not as Commander in Chief…  VP?  Most Definately – any ticket with Ron Paul as VP on it would put my vote in stone for that ticket…  not on the top though…  he’s too soft and too isolationist…

  • Anonymous

    RON PAULS THE MAN

  • Anonymous

    That would be Ahmadinejad and the mullahs’..right?

  • Paul Trotter

    I think Glen Just believes the hype. I did think he was more suspicious of the MSM than he seems to be now, but what can you do?

     

  • Frank Livingston

    Tom needs to read our history with Islamic nations. Who is our enemy and who or what are we fighting for or against? Is there a worldwide caliphate being formed? Does Ron Paul and his supporters understand what the Muslim Brotherhood is all about? People need read our history with Shariah/Islamic nations//terrorists. In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the “Dey of Algiers” ambassador to Britain to broker a deal to stop Muslim terrorists/pirates from hijacking our merchant ships and selling the sailors at slave auctions.During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey’s ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered that Islam ”was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.” This is the basis of a worldwide “religion” a caliphate. Islamists tell us they are attempting to form a caliphate similar to the Ottoman Empire which lasted from July 27, 1299 to October 29, 1923. This is their third attempt to form a worldwide Caliphate and our politicians will not talk about it, especially Ron Paul due to Political Correctness which is cultural Marxism.Look up our two wars with Islamic nations, the Barbary Wars which lasted 33-years and spanned four presidents, starting with George Washington.Read David Barton, WallBuilders newsletter, winter 2006, A Muslim Sworn Into Congress. For those that think Islam is a “religion of peace” should read Stephen Coughlin thesis, “TO OUR GREAT DETRIMENT”:IGNORING WHAT EXTREMISTS SAY ABOUT JIHAD. Islam HAS NOT been hijacked as our government keeps telling us. The legal review Coughlin completed is accurate.Ron Paul and his supporters need to read our history with Islamic nations even before this nation was formed. This is not about our being in the Middle East, it is about their “RELIGION”.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly,   there are two subjects that are frightening most people away from RP.   The one you’ve stated is one.   Is RP an anti-semetic or not?    Because if he is, there is no room in this country for that kind of thought process-that would put him in line with the muslims that hate Jews.    You can hate the sin, but love the sinner.

  • Anonymous

    I think Israel is paying him for his loyalty. He’s done shows from there. He touts Israel all the time. He slavers before Israelis. He EVER questions the the obscene amounts of money American taxpayers are looted for, to send there. He never questions the disastrous foriegn policies, created by Israeli Firsters, that have destroyed our reputation as a Nation. Beck isn’t the only one of the take, though – and the GOP is as bad, or worse, than the Dems.

    I have yet to have any Israeli Firster show me wher,e in the US Constition and Bill of Rights, WHERE the US taxpayer, and Citizen, is mandated to sewnd BILLIONS to any foriegn Nation, and defend the interests of that foriegn nation, to the detriment of America. No one’s pointed those clauses and provisions out yet. But this has been the trajectory of “US Government” policy, for decades now,

  • Anonymous

    No other Nation had a right to defend themselves against Israel’s goals. Didn’t you get the memo?

  • http://twitter.com/AbeBird Abe Bird

    It is Israel’s interest to prevent Iran from getting the nuclear bomb and it is the American interests either. Israel’s interest meets again the American interests. One of the two or both will take care for these interest any way and will attack Iran, especially when these intersts meet with the Sunni Arab states and the UE interests.

  • Anonymous

    Chad, we are not going to unilaterally attack Iran just out of the blue.  And Russia and China are not about to commit suicide by jumping in on their side.  Perhaps it would help if you ask yourself what the answer would be if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decided to unilaterally close the Straits of Hormuz.  You talk about concentrating on the US and concentrating on us because our country needs more jobs.  It is plain foolishness to believe that we can once again invoke the Monroe Doctrine and just hide out here and the rest of the world would just function better if we didn’t have any of our war machine out and about.  Here’s the problem, Chad…the world economy is based on what……? Yeah, that big pause there is a lack of information on your part.  The world economy is based on OIL.  According to you, we should just stop basing the world economy on oil. I’m trying to decide if your understanding or call for Americans to “…decide for yourself..” is ignorance or a belief in fairies.  Chad, YOU have not researched this topic.  There is no possible way that a reasonable persona could arrive at the conclusions that you have formed.  Even Obama wouldn’t be foolish enough to try what you are advocating.  Iran, right now, is holding military exercises designed to train it’s armed forces how to rapidly close the Straits of Hormuz.  Guess what!  They don’t own the Straits (a four mile stretch of water that all ships entering and leaving the Persian Gulf have to travel through in order to ship oil, food, trade goods, etc.  Apparently, you believe that Israel needs the Straits in order to survive.  Nope.  They don’t have oil and they don’t need the trade goods that the rest of the Middle East has to have in order to survive.  They DO need the Straits of Hormuz for other vital interests, but for now, let’s concentrate on why Iran is the problem.  Closure of the Straits of Hormuz would effectively allow Iran to dominate the entire world’s economy. Yes, yes, I know…Americans are evil, horrible people who should all be killed and maybe Ahmadinejad really IS just misunderstood.  It is obvious to me that you have never been there, have never seen the effects of a world class nut job and his followers.  Let’s suppose that we simply don’t give a damn about the rest of the Middle East (after all, according to Chad’s approximately 12-yr-old level of reasoning, why should we?). Iran closes the Straits, then, because they now possess the world’s economy, they begin to threaten the rest of the non-nuclear Middle East, knowing full well that Israel will be forced to step in at that point, regardless of what the US decides to do, which, with your vast intellect would be…..wait for it…..NOTHING.  We should just all hold hands and sing Cum-By-Yah and the world will see our example and get better.  After all, Iran has a right to defend its’ own interests, right?  Wrong.  This act, which, by the way, Iran fully intends to carry out, is their first step in a military plan that begins with the closure and culminates with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles dropping on every major city in the Middle East, then the rest of the world.  The fact, Chad, that you don’t get this does not surprise me.  You sound like every other poorly educated liberal that I have ever seen.  No surprise there.  When Obama flat out told the world that we would not stand in the way of an attack on Israel (actually I believe his words were…”Every nation has a right to defend itself, including Israel.  Israel has the right to defend itself – BY itself..”.  Now, that, was sheer genius on the part of a president well steeped in the affairs of the Middle East.  He basically made Israel a target of the entire world. Sheer genius.  Now THAT, my friends, was perhaps the most significant piece of diplomacy in the history of the world.  Gee, I wonder what Iran would do, hearing that the US is out of the fight and being invited to attack the most formidable nuclear armed forces in the Middle East.  Hmmm…let me think….oh, yeah!!  Ahmadinejad announced military exercises designed to practice closure of the Straits of Hormuz.  Poor little Iran, they are so put upon by the United States that they need Russia and China to defend them?  Wrong, Chad.  They are one of the largest armies on earth and they are the largest supporters of terrorism on earth, being rivaled only by Syria.  When Russia and China say that they will step in on their side, guess what.  No way are they getting in on that one.  Neither one of them has the ability to project power.  They, do, however, have a long tradition of maneuvering for leverage against the United States in the United Nations, which is where this diplomatic blustering took place.  World War III?  Yes, my poorly educated little friend, if we DON’T oppose Iran, that is exactly what we will have.  Failure to act results in WWIII, NOT stopping Iran.  I would speak to the same folks that you are trying to influence here.  Yes, people, DO think for yourselves and do the research.  Just NOT in the Washington Post and the New York Times or Al Jazeera.  Chad, you need to grow up a little and stop the Pavlovian knee jerk reactions that have been so engrained in you  by a long list of morons who, for fun, or more nefarious reasons, see the United States brought to its knees and relegated to the scrap heap of history.  Do you think any of those morons will achieve the socialist Utopia that they believe will happen through this type of acquiescence?  Islam does not tolerate those types of thought.  Islamic Utopia from the standpoint of Ahmadinejad includes the murders of every man, woman, child or moderate, including Islamic moderates (which means the rest of the Islamic world who are Sunni, not Shia).  But hey, he would NEVER use a nuclear weapon to achieve that, now, would he?  Chad, your understanding of the world and how it works is somewhere at the understanding of a sixth grader.  Your admonition of avoiding conflict because it might anger China and Russia has been tried.  The world is not going to get better when we decide to leave the rest of them to the fate granted them by whatever psychopathic thug now dominates.  It is going to CAUSE World War III. So my advice to you is, grow up, research history, research Iran, and research the consequences of pacifism on a world scale.  We don’t have to be the world’s policeman, but all it takes for tyranny to prevail is doing nothing.  You cannot appease evil, and yes, Chad, I DO call Iran’s terrorist leaders evil.  Given their way, they would “cleanse the earth” with nuclear weapons and send the world back to the 12th century.  And, Chad, evil doesn’t give a damn what you believe or what you want.  Your skin, your country, your beliefs are the enemy to them, no matter what kind of support you would give them in their actions.  You would be just as dead if they were to prevail.  Someday, maybe you will actually grow up enough and study enough to realize that what makes you ethical or a good person is not really as much about what you stand for;  it is actually about what you WON’T stand for.  From what I can see, if there is the slightest possibility of a fight, there is nothing that you won’t stand for.  

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  • landofaahs

    I don’t for a second. His religion ties him to the “JEWS”, but not Chrisrianity, for they are not one and the same. Glenn believes what he is saying, he’s just wrong. The non-Christian Jews along with all, incuding muslims who do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and being the very son of, and God himself are all destined for the same place in the end. HELL

  • landofaahs

    You are right, then let Israel bomb them.

  • http://twitter.com/acw420 Angela

    Chad, 

    As you say you are willing to do the research, might I suggest that you research British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement and isolationism with regard to the spread of Hitler’s Nazi army.  I respect Dr. Paul’s views and agree with him on about 90% of them; however his foreign policy, specifically relating to the Middle East is a deal breaker for me.  But here’s the thing, I would never try to dissuade a Paul support from their right to choice their candidate, but Paul supporters are quite aggressive in their attempts to change my mind, often times refusing to accept that I have made up my mind about the congressman and that’s that.  Many people I talk to also don’t like the pressure and “in your face” exuberance of so many Paul supporters they have encountered, and quite frankly it’s a turn off.  It ultimately does not represent their candidate very well.Another common complaint I hear and personally have is the charge from Paul supporters that if you aren’t voting for Ron Paul you don’t really believe in the Constitution.  I guess I am a racist because I don’t agree with Obama too, so now I am a Constitution-hating racist… nice.  Much like the racism charge, this insult is meant to throw ppl who disagree with them off guard.  It’s insidious and again does nothing but harm your candidate.I haven’t made up my mind about who I WILL vote for on Tuesday, but I have very firmly decided who I am not voting for, and Dr. Paul is on the list.Seriously, look up Neville Chamberlain.  

  • Anonymous

    Your just plain ignorant, coward!

  • Anonymous

    What lead up to Iran practicing the closure of the straits?? Didn’t Iran take control over and land our drone flying over there country? Hasn’t Netanyahu been pushing for an attack on Iran?? Is there solid information that Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon?? I guess I have to be a genius to recognize that this all sounds like Iraq all over again. If Iran attacks Israel then Israel doesn’t need permission to defend themselves! If Israel is so confident that Iran has a nuclear weapon and is a serious threat then they can declare war on Iran themselves….which at the moment seems to be a problem because there own generals are against the war. General Wesley Clark has said on video that the US will take down Iran but I guess he is misinformed just like myself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Groesbeck/100000319492111 Michael Groesbeck

    I am a Non-Paul supporter

    ps: Santorum is a Theocrat, Gingrich intends to be a Dictator, Perry is a Bilderburg Plant.

  • Anonymous

    The guy on the phone hadn’t had his medication yet that day.  Cut him some slack.  We can’t withdraw from the world any more than parents can’t withdraw from a room in their house simply because it belongs to their unruly teenager.  We must be out there.  Our allies count on us to help keep them out of bad situations which in most cases can be done simply by letting our presence be known.  It’s also a fact that we can deploy anywhere on the globe because we have our troops and assets strategically located around the planet in international waters and on land that our allies have set aside for us.  We are a part, an important part, of this planet and we have no choice but to live among all the countries of the world.  For that reason we can’t just stick our heads in the sand and ignore the rest of the globe.  Ron Paul would be a dangerous president, one we can’t afford if we want to be a part of this global community.

  • Anonymous

    This Typical Caller, Tom, seems quite level headed and was treated badly by Glenn, Pat and Stu. I don’t think he meant to say that Glenn has been paid by Israel, he just said Glenn is operating in Israel’s interest, rather than in America’s. Osama Bin Laden, although having planned a merciless attack against American civilians, was responding to America’s decades old collusion with Israel, in Palestine. This is historical fact. There is such a thing as a Jewish Lobby and people who call attention to it’s power and influence should not be called bigots. That is why we have free speech, in open societies such as the United States.

    By shouting people down and insulting them with name-calling, you only demonstrate that you have nothing substantial to say, in support of your own argument. It makes you look bad.

  • Anonymous

    NAME CALLING!!!   SHOUTING DOWN???…Are you serious?   This dim bulb clearly had NO clue about what Imadinnerjacket and his ilk believe.  As for your historical FACTS (LMAO)…I would strongly recommend you dig a little deeper.

  • Anonymous

    And you’re a milkweed.

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    I wouldn’t say he believes Iran should have nuclear weapons.  Quite the contrary.  But the only way to stop them would be sanctions, war, etc., all of which Paul opposes.

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    Dig a little deeper, such as reading a transcript form Ahmadinejad’s speech at the UN? 
    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218464/20110922/ahmadinejad-united-nations-speech-text.htm

    This gives you some insight into his attitude much more effectively than listening to Glenn tell you scary things.

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    I’m sorry Paul supporters hurt your feelings, they should have realized your emotions were more important than freedom.

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    Don’t rule out the possibility that Glenn and crew purposely chose to put this caller on the air to diminish Paul’s message.  Every group has some radicals in it.  This caller is not representative of the majority.

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    Haha, nice try Rebecca.  Your rant is quite baseless and pathetic. Sources please?  I won’t wait.  Besides, Ron Paul is his own man, he can’t be bought by anybody.  

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    No, respect for a man is gone when that man constantly states, “question with boldness” and “search for the truth”, but then he makes fun of the people who actually do those things.  

  • http://www.praxacademy.com Rothbardian

    What a joke.  The call screeners clearly cherry picked this lunatic to distort and diminish Paul’s message.  I could easily find hundreds of crazy Glenn Beck supporters who pervert his message too, that doesn’t mean they speak and represent Glenn Beck.  Glenn and Co. have become pitiful and childish.

  • Anonymous

    Glen advertises over and over again that promises to ”Enlignten and Entertain” us..

    Glen never said he was a leader, just an Entertainer… And he is entertaining..
    I hope glen proves me wrong, but I think he is just going to play the fence dring the day and count his money at night..
    You can watch him becsuse you hate him or you can watch him because you agree with him….. As long as you watch him.. 

    Im no Ron Paul freak, I think all politicians are loosers, but I think RP is the best we have. I think he is a straight shooter, and doesnt seem like the kind of politician that you can buy at the dollar store. 
    I dont agree with everything he says, but he comes closer to what I think than anyone else..

    If I thought Glen had a different motive behind his RP bashing other then to shake things up, I would say otherwise, but I think his MO is ratings… He knows alot of hiss viewers like RP…

    I may be wrong, but I dont think Glen has a better candidate hiding in his closet to replace RP…

    Dont place Glen on a pedistal and you wont be dissapointed. He will Entertain you for a long time to come.. and most of this forcasts and graphs are close to true.. But he is an Entertainer..

    Charlie Sheen is a great Entertainer too.. They all find thier niche.  I like them both.

         
     

  • Anonymous

    Just Sain’, but who says we all want to be a part of a Global Anything anyway….. 
    Lets Worry about US first, than we can take on the world if we chose.

  • Anonymous

    Just shows how ignorant some peope are and how they do not understand the anti-semitic hatred in the muslim world.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul supporters do not understand how much hatred and anti-semitism there realy is in the muslim world.May be worse than it was in Europe during WW2 when Hitler controlled Europe.

  • Anonymous

    Chad, yes, the Iranians have a great deal of technology. No, they cannot yet bring down a drone with hot weapons systems attached. That particular drone is a surveillance only drone, and while it may be a significant coup for Iran, they have not adequately proven that it was their technology that brought down the drone and not malfunction. Right now, there are many more of these drones over Iran. If the systems have all been cracked by Iran, then why aren’t those drones being taken down by them? Besides, that is pretty ancillary to what I was trying to tell you. Here’s the problem. When the president of the United States makes a unilateral announcement regarding the “sovereignty” of Israel, literally inviting the world to attack, it’s not a mistake. It’s not an overstatement. And, frankly, neither you, nor any other westerner has a clue about the emotional state of Iran’s generals and whether they “support” a nuclear war. I’m sure that they will be the first ones consulted in the event that the Imams and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decide to deploy nukes. In case you didn’t pick up on that, it was sarcasm. In Iran, reaching the level of general means you had better be really good at avoiding too much attention because one day you could be fine and the next, you and your families could be executed. But, again, we are NOT going to unilaterally attack Iran, and Russia and China do not have the capability, homeland support or political chutzpah to begin a war against the Israelis that they know would bring in the US, even if after the 2012 elections. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that everyone despises Iran, but Russia and China believe, due to their locations that they have claim over that nation and don’t want to get stuck in the middle of a shooting war trying to fight alongside psychopaths that could just as easily turn on them in a heartbeat. There are several scenarios that could bring the US into the fray: an attack on our own shores, or a nuclear attack of any kind, anywhere in the MIddle East, by Iran on any other nation. The difference between that decision being made in Russia or China vs. Iran is that Russia and China understand the lethal implications of nuclear war and this, traditionally has served as a potent deterrent. Iran is run by religious psychopaths who believe that God has called them to kill infidels, including those Muslims who are not Shia. If they attempt to use a nuclear weapon of any kind, they have no understanding of “mutually assured destruction”, nor do they care. Millions of their own people barbecued is worth it to them. So, yeah, we could act, but in neither of the scenarios is there a possibility of an unprovoked first strike. We have to be involved because of the economy, as I told you previously, but we aren’t going to start it no matter who is in power. And please don’t give me that same stupid, tired old argument that we shouldn’t be in it for oil. Argue that with the rest of the world. It’s not just our economy that trades on the lure of oil, it’s ALL major nations. Even the most basic study of geopolitics and economics understands that Iran controlling the world economy will be tantamount to world war III, regardless of what you might wish for in Utopia. If Iran attempts to close the Straits of Hormuz, even Obama has said that he will send in one of our carrier groups. It’s not even a contest. Iran is still trying to fly ancient F-14D Tomcats that have been stripped to the bone. They don’t have a prayer of even a single victory in air-to-air combat. But hey, Obama’s advocacy of the Monroe Doctrine (except for his own, pet Arab states run by terrorists) has left Israel vulnerable. Can Israel prevail? You bet. And if they think for one second that they are about to be the victims of a nuclear attack (because that is exactly what cuckoo boy Ahmadinejad has said in every single speech, even here in the US), they will act. Obama’s attempt to score points with his Arab buddies in the Middle East has emboldened Iran. When Iran is feeling it’s oats, they are crazy. Since Israel has been officially abandoned by its most powerful advocate, they may feel that there is no other way to survive without a preemptive strike. They have real fears based on history. They have been attacked without warning by every country that opposes them in southwest Asia, most of the time completely surrounded and outnumbered by the combined armed forces of most of their Arab neighbors. Obama knew EXACTLY what he was doing. His words could very well be the trigger that melts down the Middle East and he knows it. You should too. Try studying Israeli history. Then maybe you will understand what they are dealing with. The decision to put our heads in the sand is not a passive act. It is as much an act of war as a missile attack. Those who refuse to defend themselves and others in the name of “peace” invite violence on a scale that has no calculable result or end. Good luck.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    I am not a Ron Paul supporter, but I hope without hurting the election efforts to beat Obama he gets his pro-constitution message in the hearts and minds of more people. He may go a little too far in areas, but I really like him in a ‘general’ sort of way. I think we need to look out for ourselves more, not stick our nose in everyone’s business as much as we do (also our government not sticking it’s nose in our business), and let “we the people” take care of ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    In reality, Glenn is just as crazy for wanting to bomb them as they are for wanting to kill us.  There really is not substantive difference between the 2.  It’s like 2 little boys fighting with each other and their mother trying to get them to stop, but each wants the other to stop first, and each continues to hit at the other.

    I don’t know why GB insists on ignoring facts and hold to things like Amity Schlaes from the CFR, but I can say this about Ron Paul supporters:

    IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THE LEARNED TO BE AMIABLE.

    It’s very frustrating to know the truth and see someone holding so hard to ignorance and falseness.  Some people just handle being faced with it better than others.  Those of us who have opened up their minds and begun to see truth have all experienced the frustration with ignorance in others who insist on wearing their blinders, especially when the consequences of this day and time are so dire.  In addition, who likes to be called names, which Glenn does on a regular basis?  It’s sad, but if he really looked at himself in the mirror, he would see his enemy.

  • Anonymous

    If you’re right about GB doing it for ratings, he sure us putting America on the line for his stupid ratings.  It’s selfish, immature, and egotistical – and that’s just for starters.

  • Anonymous

     Such a stupid assesment.  Show you know NOTHING, and have zero understanding of Ron Paul and his policies/positions.  But then what would you know, you have never heard anything but what the MSM distorts for your little ears.

    It’s a whole lot easier to go out into the world and bully rather than try to make peace with an enemy, which is what you are advocating.  So who exactly is the coward?  Who is going to put us ultimately in more danger?  I’d say the bully will get his as he always does.

    But let’s get to the real crux.  Terrorism is a false flag for the most part, but with the real part, it was created to CONTROL US.  Until you start to actively look for the truth, you will never see it, and we will ALL suffer for your ignorance.  So sad.  But the ignorant don’t know what they don’t know, and that’s an expensive proposition for all.

  • Anonymous

    What is Glenn Beck’s solution to Iran if he does not want to except the notion of peace?  

    We as the United States have to be the bigger “sibling” on this planet and attempt to make peace with Iran.  We cannot afford to go to war with Iran because of our economic condition (by doing so our economy would become much worse), not to include that a war with Iran would result in thousands of more lives lost to the middle east.  The best thing for the United States to do is to leave the Middle East and attempt to make peace and free trade.  

          

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TPYB7J2BTVYJ4JKBQZTMAU3BNQ Vinny

    WOW, awesome caller, he’s SPOT ON with his points, I couldn’t agree more!!  GB and his clowns are all acting like babies throughout the video by laughing and making voices and speaking over him….terrible journalism here by GB.  GB GOT PWN3D!!!!  LOL 

  • SoThere

    I’m more interested in your so called Military career where you were on a secret mission for 9 years, were a NCO but quit the Army because you had a “change of heart” and drove a truck but didn’t drive a truck. Please tell me, what was Dallas? How much did your PA weigh? Where did you go to college? How many Iraqi children play volley ball?

    Why do you hate the Jews?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TPYB7J2BTVYJ4JKBQZTMAU3BNQ Vinny

    GB is a joke….Ron Paul is our only hope.  HERE is the reason why GB hates Ron Paul:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKCc5SYCisQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

  • SoThere

    I’m more interested in your so called Military career where you were on a secret mission for 9 years, were a NCO but quit the Army because you had a “change of heart” and drove a truck but didn’t drive a truck. Please tell me, what was Dallas? How much did your PA weigh? Where did you go to college? How many Iraqi children play volley ball?

    Why do you hate the Jews?

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    I’m a Ron Paul supporter. I’m also a veteran (OIF 2005), a college graduate (Binghamton), and a mormon (ummm BoM, PoGP, D&C). I would LOVE to get a chance to talk with Mr. Beck.
    Mr. Beck I have seen your show perhaps 4 or 5. You struck me as intelligent. And that’s what confuses me. I really don’t understand how you can not support Ron Paul. Sure he has some support from fanatics, or crazies, or even lunatics. But so does Obama and every other candidate.
    That doesn’t make Ron Paul a poor choice to lead our country.
    A few reasons why I support Ron Paul are;
    1 He is a veteran unlike all the other R candidates and he receives more donations from active duty military personnel than all the other candidates combined.
    2 He is the only candidate to acknowledge the evils that the federal reserve bank enables. Socialism is enabled by a fiat currency. Fiat currencies enable the distribution of wealth. Only RP discusses this (for the last 30 years in fact).
    3 He is well versed in Austrian economics. The seminal work by Henry Hazlitt “Economics in one Lesson” succinctly illustrates our problems using the broken window fallacy.

    Again you strike me as intelligent Mr. Beck. Have you read “Economics in One Lesson” or “The Left, The Right, and The State” or “Conceived in Liberty” or “Road to Serfdom”. Did we not learn from USSR, Argentina, Weimar, Zimbabwe, and Japan?!?  I’m not calling you out. I am truly curious how it is that someone that strikes me as so intelligent, that has his own tv show, that has picked himself up from rock bottom and has achieved so much, can not support Ron Paul!?! I don’t get it. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.

    How could you possibly not like Ron Paul? The one candidate who will stand on his bedrock of principle and actually reduce the size of the federal government by 1 trillion in the first year. The one candidate who has a proven voting record over a 30 year period of never voting for an unbalanced budget, never voting to increase taxes EVER.
    How does anyone not like this guy.
    He’s been with one wife for over 45 years.
    He’s delivered thousands of babies, many for free charitably when his clients could not pay.
    On principle his medical practice didn’t accept government payment systems, so if clients couldnt pay he gave them free service!
    He refused to allow his kids to use federal government subsidization to pay for their education.
    This guy is a modern George Washington! This guy believe in Liberty as the supreme organizing principle like our founding fathers did.
    I DONT GET IT! How can any human who thinks for themselves not like this guy?!?!
    What do you know that I don’t??

    Respectfully submitted,
    Levon Marcellus,   Watkins Glen, NY

  • Anonymous

    slkgej6  I read your response to Chad. I believe we would agree on this point for starters. You have a right to your property and have a right to defend your property from invaders. I’m thinking about you and me at home, someone breaks in and steals our stuff, we can use force against them to defend ourselves, property, family etc. Of course there are caveats concerning “proportional” use of force, or “you should be the only witness” etc. But do we agree that we have a right to defend ourselves?

    If we agree on that point, then from my perspective, Iran is defending itself.
    Look don’t call me crazy just yet. Please give me an answer to this.

    As I understand it, way back in 1953, Iran decided to nationalize its oil reserve. Britain responded by placing an embargo on Iranian oil. Winston Churchill then approached Eisenhower and asked for help toppling the democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh. This was Operation Ajax. When Mosaddegh was removed, the US supported the sitting Shah, Pahlavi, of Iran who turned autocratic and oppressive.

    Alright, I’m not saying right or wrong here, but when I hear this part of history, as a veteran and a lover of liberty, I feel for the Iranian people. Autocrats, tyrants, fascists, socialists, communists. They’re all shades of the same color.

    Anyway there was one man who “spoke truth to power” about the plight of the average everyday Iranian citizen. People like me. Average. Not much power. Not politically connected. That man was named Khomeini. He was exiled because of political dissension. That was after being arrested for his political views. Meanwhile the Iranian military is occupying Iran and being used to put don’t political dissent against the dictatorial Shah Pahlavi who is in power because he is backed by a foreign force that cares nothing for the welfare of the people, only for the oil. You can finish the history lesson from there.

    Look I’m not saying Iran is justified in anything here. But I do feel there is a valid argument to be made that they are “defending themselves”.  And I’m not referring to the government. I’m referring to the people. The people had a revolution to free themselves from tyranny. Tyranny backed by a foreign super power.

    Imagine if Britain had the support of another foreign super power back during the American Revolution. Wouldn’t the colonists have hated that super power?
    What if that super power helped Britain win the war and then the colonists lost even more freedoms. Would we argue the colonists are “terrorists” for trying to fight for their liberties.

    Again I’m not picking sides here.  We all agree that military is an extension of politics. But here’s where I get off the train.

    As a libertarian I believe in the power of the free market. The government can do very little to “improve” economic conditions, if anything at all. I don’t care who is justified. I don’t care who started the pissing contest.

    As a person whos been to war, all I know is F*ck the politicians who don’t actually produce wealth, who only want to direct the rest of our actions. Who was to redistribute, democrat and republican alike.

    And most especially F*ck those who enabled and still support the federal reserve bank. Because without that we wouldn’t even be debating this stuff. I truly believe the fiat currency enables most if not all of the attrocities we face, and get heated over, and seek revenge for, to become larger than they would in a world of commodity money. We would have a just world economy if we had a commodity standard.

    SO whether you feel Iran is justified or not. Whether you sleep with a tampon in because you think the Iranian boogey man is going to get you, you gotta respect Ron Paul because he strikes at the root of the problem, the federal reserve bank.

    The pissing matches will stop when we end the feds charter and get back to a commodity money, a sound money, like the founding fathers blessed us with.

  • Anonymous

    And here’s your reward for reading my rant…

    The Pope and Obama are on the same stage in Yankee Stadium in front of a huge crowd.       The
    Pope leans towards Mr. Obama and said, “Do you know that with one
    little wave of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild
    with joy?  This joy will not be a momentary display, but will go deep
    into their hearts and they’ll forever speak of this day and rejoice!”     Obama replied, “I seriously doubt that!  With one little wave of your hand….Show me!”     So the Pope backhanded him and knocked him off the stage!     AND THE CROWD ROARED & CHEERED WILDLY and there was happiness throughout the land!     Kind of brings a tear to your eye, doesn’t
    it?

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Tracer. Before I go on, let me explain something. If I hadn’t heard Ron Paul, during the Republican debates, express sympathy toward Osama bin Laden, I would be supporting him with not only my voice, but my money. Unfortunately, no matter how you feel about the decisions that have been made by the government (virtually none of which, excepting tax cuts), legitimizing terrorism as a way to communicate your displeasure toward another nation is either psychotic or naive. You stated that if another superpower had joined Great Britain in the Revolutionary War, we would have been pretty angry with them. In fact, 1/3 of the troops that the colonists ended up fighting were German. Early on, the number was even higher. Britain, in 1775, had only 36,000 troops worldwide. The Germans initially sent 30,000 troops to bolster their numbers. These troops were known as Hessians to the American colonists. It’s a misconception that England could have overwhelmed the 13 colonies without help. By the time it was done, it was Germans fighting for England and the French, in order to slap England in the face (they have always been traditional enemies since time immemorial), joined on the side of the American colonists. Now, back to your original comments. By the way, you did a nice job of presenting your information in a fairly unbiased manner. Many people point toward Iran’s revolution and characterize the rise of the Ayatollah Khomeini as “liberating the people”. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Like most revolutions in which a major religion is involved, the confrontation shifts from politics to “us” vs “them”. The results of such conflicts inevitably result in ever escalating atrocities. It is a psychological phenomenon in which the horror of war begins to justify atrocities that, in a normal situation, would even be seen by most of the perpetrators as barbaric. When the Shah was deposed and Khomeini seized power, not only were these atrocities continued, they increased. Many people point to the shah’s employment of secret police and less-than-democratic tactics to retain power. The world characterizes our support of the Shah as devaluing human rights. That’s the easy answer; unfortunately it is a mischaracterization. It is NEVER that simple. Iran was one of the few friends we had in the Middle East. It is foolishness to believe that the US supported the Shah because he did not always utilize democratic methods to quell his detractors. In fact, like many oligarchies, he was an overweening, pompous pig. From the beginning of the reign of the Ayatollahs, however, the people of Iran were subjected to religious strictures that concentrate power in one single person and whatever that person says has to be obeyed. Case in point, if they have changed so much, then why are the cells of prisons designed for nothing more than torture in order to extract information full to the brim? Why did thousands of people die when they rose up against the tyranny of the Ayatollahs? Deposing the Shah did not lead to more freedom, it led to logarithmically more abuses of power. Now, instead of just having to deal with the whims of a despotic secular leader, the Iranian people now have all of that despotism plus the atrocities so characteristic of nation states that recruit, train and harbor terrorists. Who cares if Khomeini had been exiled because of his political views? Those views were insane and literally promised to bring calamity to the world, even to the nearly 1/2 of the Islamic world who are Sunni. I hate that we have to be there as well, but historically, strategically, Iran gave the US a base from which it could safeguard the oilfields and transport corridors so vital to the entire world’s economy. Global economics are based on oil, not politics. If the United States had not shored up the reign of the Shah, he would have fallen much earlier and our ability to protect the oil corridors would have been destroyed. The fastest way to world war is to destabilize the world economy. This is why Iran is determined to shut down the Straits of Hormuz. In this area, the transport corridor out of the Middle East is only four miles wide. Iran has the largest border of any country overlooking the Straits. In fact, Iran just threatened to shut down the Straits of Hormuz. In what world does a country such as Iran have the right to control the world’s economy because they want to? Iran, by both tradition and agreement does not own the Straits of Hormuz. If they pulled a stupid stunt like this, it would not only be the United States attacking them, it would be the entire world that obtains crude oil from the Middle East i.e. -the entire world. Again, simplifying it to the point of believing that it doesn’t matter, we should just let Iran do what it wants to because of Libertarian views on foreign policy that stubbornly cling to the idiocy advanced by the Monroe Doctrine, is ridiculous. This, and his viewpoint on deregulating all drugs, legal or illegal, are the ONLY points that I vehemently differ from Ron Paul’s viewpoints. By following ANY of the possible permutations of that reasoning, we set off a catastrophic chain of events that results in nuclear holocaust. Iran is close to weaponizing plutonium. The leftist morons of this country still think that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a legitimate viewpoint, even when he is talking about Iran leading the world of Islam to a caliphate and ruling as its head from the holy sites of the prophet within Iran under the leadership of the 12th Imam, their “dear leader”. But even the Ayatollah Khameini issued a fatwah against bin Laden. Not because he disagreed with his hatred of the West, but because bin Laden was Arab and therefore, Sunni. Over and over again, the people of the US and the government scoff at blatant threats from Ahmadinejad. But here’s the deal that should wake people up, but I know it won’t because they do not understand the severity of the situation that is about to unfold. Just this last Friday, a statement was issued from the Ayatollah’s Khameini’s office in Tehran. He issued a fatwah (a religious executive order) calling for the immediate destruction of Israel by any means, including nuclear weapons. As we speak, Iran is feverishly working to comply with this order. Within a few months, Iran will possess enough fissionable plutonium to carry out those threats, including going so far as to detail the various versions of the Shahab rocket ballistic program that would be utilized to strike Israel. He is not only talking about incapacitating Israel, he clarified the degree of genocide he is willing to carry out. He is calling for extermination of Jews throughout the world. And why does he state that this will take place (by the way, he announced that Iran will launch the strike before the end of 2012 in order to facilitate the return of the 12th Imam)? Because Barack Obama has stated that Israel is on its own and we will not help them, supply them with troops, weapons, support of any kind if they are attacked. So, whether you buy in to the doomsday scenarios of the Mayans, Jews, Nostradamus, Christian prophets, etc that seem to point to the end of the world in 2012, the decision to strike is not just crazy talk, it is militarily the most rational thing to do if Iran’s top priority is to exterminate the Jewish race. Having a president that is the first since 1948 to abandon Israel, has also led to worldwide chaos. Barack Obama’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the rest of the Arab world overthrowing current leadership has directly resulted in a Middle Eastern Arab population that is increasingly bold in their stated goals to eradicate Israel. Barack Obama’s words to Israel have had a chilling effect on the American people. One of the main talking points of the Occupy protests was bigotry toward Jews, and not just Zionist Jews, ALL Jews. Over and over again, we saw these mindless automatons literally parroting entire speeches that expressed a hatred toward a race, NOT a political idea. Although I find it hilarious to hear a person literally in 2-3 sentences inexplicably and moronically hurl the words, “tolerance,” “kill Jews” and “racist Jews” and “Nazis” while then stating that they are speaking out against violence!! If it weren’t so incredibly dangerous, it would be an endless source of hilarity. Anyway, Tracer, that is my viewpoint. It is seriously misguided to believe that neutrality is a viewpoint without consequences. That’s why, while I understand and sympathize with many of Ron Paul’s views on foreign policy and most of his other views, I do not understand how such an intelligent man could fail to see that neutrality is a choice, but a choice that is as sterile and amoral as walking past a person who is being murdered in front of them and failing to even call 911. EVERY choice has consequences and there is absolutely no such thing as “neutrality”. This is a choice that our enemies have sworn to use. Again, that point was just hammered into us by the Ayatollah Khameini last Friday. Why would he cite the end of 2012 as the deadline to launch nuclear weapons? Because while Barack Obama is still president, there will be no repercussions. Only the president can formally order troops into the theater of war, even though only congress can actually declare war. Barack Obama’s words have caused the deaths of thousands and isolated the one and only democracy in the Middle East; the only democracy with nuclear weapons. Those who fail to heed the lessons of history are destined to pay the same price as those who committed the same error in the past. Vastly MORE violence, war and death of our own citizens is the end result of passivity. Israel has proven in the past that, even with a paucity of soldiers, they are capable of viciously defending themselves against the combined might of Arab provocateurs. This time, though, if it is Iran, we will see a form of war that has been speculated upon and played out in theory, but has never been seen previously. This time, the war will begin with nuclear weapons. There will be no devolution of battles to the ultimate holocaust. The nations involved will not even have the time to deploy conventional forces. This is not fantasy. This is real. You don’t have to believe me, but if you don’t believe the honesty of the words spoken by Iran’s political AND religious leaders, who are saying the same thing, and instead, choose to scoff….the price will be paid in the lives of loved ones. That is why I believe that Ron Paul is either naive or is simply clinging to his beliefs in the face of the philosophical gale force wind of evil assaulting us now. Neutrality has, as its end result, the deaths and enslavement of those professing desires for peace and neutrality. The enemy absolutely loves the “neutral”. It makes their job so much simpler than if a superpower shows them a line in the sand poured in concrete that clearly defines the extent to which that superpower will bring down the wrath of God on the heads of those so foolish as to risk perishing upon the swords of the nation that drew the line. When the line doesn’t exist, neither does restraint. And frankly, I couldn’t care less if Iran or ANY other country doesn’t “agree” with our viewpoint on that one. They don’t have to agree. But they had better feel abject fear at the idea of crossing the line. Where there is no presence, there is no threat. When a nation commits itself to “neutrality” evil accelerates its relentless and inexorable drive to bring death to any in that world who do not belong to the club.