The tuskegee airmen were incredibe from stories of their actions in WW2 that I have read, however I will wait to hear from others who have seen the movie to descide how good or bad it really is.;

Yeah it was sort of disconnected, and the characters lacked depth, and the stories never went anywhere. I think he tried to cover too many people with too many events and it had no soul. The central theme seemed to be the romance of one of the airmen with a local Italian girl, it was sort of out of place.

I heard they used Newt as an independent acting consultant on this one…

(just trying to help with the attack Newt all day long everywhere campaign)

ESAD!

The director is Anthony Hemingway. Co-(executive) produced by George Lucas in a partnership with 20th Century Fox, LucasFilms and others.

The movie “Tuskeegee Airmen” was a GREAT movie. Cuba Gooding Jr played the character “Train” in that one. Larry Fishburne was superb in it as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tuskegee_Airmen
How could Lucas screw up a great story about GREAT men such as these?

Yime for a well doe mini series about these brave airmen!

But Lucas isn’t the director. Anthony Hemingway is. Lucas still green-lights the script and chooses the director, yes. It’s obviously unknowable if he had his hand into the film in a way he did with the Prequels, or something like Empire, where even as Producer for Empire, he still had story decisions and other further reaching influences. The point is, if you think the direction of the movie stunk, the director has to be at fault first and formost, and that’s not Lucas in this case. Lucas, for instance, cannot determine the acting level, the director has to. 

With that said, it’s probably best Lucas take at least time to reflect and enjoy his oodles of money. The prequels were pretty bad for the same reasons here in wooden acting and such, and that was his fault then. The choices of actors also were questionable, especially Anakin’s actors. Then, let’s not forget the numerous changes shoehorned into the original trilogy.

Ugh, lol

Patrick

Time for a well done Mini series about these brave airmen. sorry about the previous one but I had a kitten helping me type.

I knew Gen. “Chappy” James back in the 1960′s when he was a Col. and at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson Az. where they were training F-4 Pilots for the Viet-Nam War.
He was one of the greatest persons I had met in the Air Force.  At that time I knew nothing of the “Red Tails” of  any of his past history, I respected him for his character and care he had for those under him, which I was one.  I have met a couple others over the years and all were of the same great character.  Movies and books will never carry over what great people these were and the fights at home and abroad they were involved in and won…  God bless them all and all those who gave their all to keep us free…

Didn’t see the movie, but I did see the interview with Colonel Oliver North and it was incredible.  These men were amazing.  I was in awe of not only what they faced in combat but what they faced when they got home.  I was moved to tears.

I don’t know, I really enjoyed the movie.  Sure, the actual pilots probably smoked…”everyone” did in that era.  But I don’t nitpick the story about minor details.  The Tuskegee airmen proved to the world that Black folks are just as courageous and capable as Whites.  Lightning’s romance with Sofia added human interest and a show of the reality that many of our servicemen came home in body bags or not at all.

Fox News has been running an older “War Stories with Oliver North” that has great film (lots in color) and the spoken recollections of the Airmen themselves. It’s a story of patience, tolerance, fortitude and bravery. That it all worked so well is amazing. A few later the armed services were desegregated.

I think that the 1995 movie The Tuskegee Airmen was a better movie.

I loved the review. Very funny guys. (>_<)

Just watching the trailers was enough to make sure I did not go see it; Lucas was just the icing on the cake for a reason to not see it.

My Uncle was one of those protected by the Tuskegee airmen; they did not fly as portrayed in the trailers! Flyers like that do two things, run out of bullets, actually very limited ammo on a fighter, and they die when flying as recklessly as shown! These fellows were much smarter than that!
 
These fellows were well trained, talented and took their jobs extremely seriously! My Uncle’s time flying in bombers was very hard, often he was bringing back only half a plane, sometimes no plane at all. He was captured 3 times, shot down 6 times, did not make it back to the airfield 9 times, hated Nazis more than you could imagine!
 
He loved all fighter escorts, could care less what color, they were, only that they knew how to fly and shoot straight!! He lost a number of friends, and really it was almost impossible for him to talk about his time in the European Theater.
 
For Lucas to make such a romanticized movie about this is more criminal than anything. They were all men of honor, bravery, and courage and need to be remembered as such.
 

now what did i tell you Glenn Jar Jar has a drinking proplem get off his back. i realy don’t care what Pat or Stu thinks Star Wars is great.

I might add that being able to drive a P51 to work made them even greater pilots.

Lucas puts all his eggs in cinematography and special effects… and for that, he has a pretty good eye.  Unfortunately, he is not a good director in terms of getting the best out of the actors that work for him.  It is a crying shame.  

I will probably see Red Tails…. when it comes out on BluRay…

Hey maybe Lucas should have put C3PO in one of those P51.

Use the Force, course those .50cals work perty good to.

So, I went and looked up just how many black pilots were trained and the answer was that a little under 1000 were taken in and about 475 of those actually went out and flew in combat. Of that number, 150 were killed or captured. So then I wondered to myself how many non-black combat pilots there were. My feeling was that there must have been more than a thousand, more like ten thousand, or even tens of thousands.We built nearly 100,000 FIGHTER aircraft during the war. It’s probably safe to say that a certain number of pilots lived to get second aircraft, or possibly even a third, but that still would mean that there would have been around 30,000 to 50,000 non-black pilots assigned to fighters. One source says that, in Europe, we lost 24% of our fighters. There is a strange lack of statistics on the internet regarding the total number of US fighter pilots who served during WWII. I don’t understand the lack of that important statistic. The observation I am making is that the movie seems to wants to portray the Red Tails as having an overwhelming contribution to victory in the air when they numbered a little over (as an estimate) 1%  of the total number (as an estimate) of fighter pilots who served. Maybe someone out there can come up with some authoritative numbers on number of planes, planes lost, number of pilots trained, number of pilots who actually flew in combat. Without such statistics, I have to say that my gut tells me that there was some sizable exaggeration in the movie. 

HBO did a nice movie about them years ago.  ”Tuskegee Airmen”.  If you can find it on video, get it!  

After taking a class on Christian American history and reading AH in Black and White, I know that what we learned in school was lacking.  

Glenn, you’ve saved me some money;  I was preparing to go see that movie.   Knowing the truth about history makes you aware just how slanted and wrong names, places and dates can be.

I too came away from the movie with an empty feeling.  It is such a great story and this film did nothing towards telling the stroy of these men.

Few movies ever portray the historical evidence of the events and the people, usually things of this nature were not quickly recognized and Holly Wood is a liberal arts center made to make money, so what you see may not be what you thought.
I will wait until it comes on TV and watch my big screen, if I don’t like it……..

I am interested in how they will handle Killing Lincoln, it’s a damn good read.

The heroic and super-successful “Tuskegee Airmen” deserved to be depicted accurately.  I wonder if they were interviewed and an honest, fair screenplay was written.  If not, it is a travesty.  Why can’t Hollywood get history right?  They always seem to pollute the facts and reality of actual events with their leftist agenda, attitudes and “feelings”.  Life is real and should not be subject to “artistic license” or flaky alteration.

Come on, guys. It’s just a movie. I don’t understand why guys, in general and in particular, can’t just say, “The movie was entertaining.” That’s what movies are for – entertainment. They don’t have to historically correct; they don’t even have to have the best actors and directors. They just have to entertain. I loved the movie. It was a tear-jerker for me (I’m a woman). All I want from a movie: it must illicit some emotion, have a pretty good ending (the happier the better for me), and be entertaining enough to draw me in and take me out of my normal life for a couple of hours.

I do know they were highly decorated, and that bomber crews at first biased against them, soon found that they were awesome, and apparently never lost a bomber to enemy fighters.  I think some of it was extended training over their white counterparts as they waited to get deployed.  But they were no doubt motivated to prove themselves equal or better!  The army air corp.brass was hesitant, but finally sent them out over Italy.

Yeah, it’s just a movie millions were spent on telling an historic story and an opportunity to tell it truthfully, respectfully, without spin.  And now a copy will be filed in the Smithsonian so future generations can get the “true story” on these guys and events?  I don’t like it.  It’s irresponsible. Oh, I get it about the movie machine.

Maybe us frustrated 99% “Historical Truthers” ought to ‘occupy’ Lucas’ house until he apologizes and revises it.  Obviously things aren’t “fair” when it comes to 1% millionaire movie-makers and us poor average dudes just wanting to see something we can believe in.  That’s life, eh?  Even “documentaries” are skewed by those on the project.  Fact-checking ought to be required and verified and ranked.

Lesson:  Select and READ reliably factual accounts – don’t rely on movies or even some documentaries for your history.  But, a lot of people are lazy…who reads anymore, right?

I had thought about seeing this movie until I saw the preview where the pilots were doing a “Stomp the Yard” dance and chant and now that I know Lucas was a Producer, it doesn’t suprise me.  Makes sense that the same guy who said “Gredo shot first” would add a Hip Hop element to film based in the 1940′s.  Too bad Lucas didn’t retire in 1984.

The “never lost a bomber” claim is a myth; it was reported by a Chicago paper as Morale booster, but in actuality, several bombers were lost, and coincidentally, a bomber was lost on the day that article was published. See wikipedia for USAF documentation on WWII bombers lost during sorties that were escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen.

Glenn:  I just finished reading Being George Washington.  I gave it to Central Valley High School here in Shasta Lake, CA along with Killing Lincoln.  I am planning on doing more of this with books that are great historical reads like yours.  God Bless and keep up the great work.

Don

They should be historically correct because that’s all the history some people ever learn.  Pick out something historically important to you and then picture someone a generation or two from now portraying it totally wrong.  Doesn’t that bother you?  (I’m a woman too)

To give all the Tuskegee Airmen the Medal Of Honor would demean the medal and those who have earned it. Too much of anything lowers the value. Secondly, the claim that no bomber was lost to enemy fighters while they were escorting is not factual. Yahoo ran an article about combat losses of US bombers while being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen yet the fable continues.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that Star Wars III: Revenge Of The Sith was THE most cringe-inducing film I have EVER seen!  Lucas is a terrible scriptwriter.

The Best Book was by James Wylie called “The Homestead Grays” circa 1978..

Haven’t seen the movie.  Sorry,  it’s seems to be a dud.  Will wait til it comes to TV.  As you can

tell, I’m not in any hurry to see it. Know about the story already.  Fellows did a great job in WWII.

jacob,  haven’t checked it out myself, but did you just look under ”US fighter pilots”?

If so, maybe you have to look under the the branch, ie: Army or Navy?  And did you

say the years l941-45?   Wouldn’t know why this info shouldn’t be available.

Yes, I looked through a couple of dozen variations of search phrases and mostly got references to Aces, rather than the entire body of pilots.

Big problem with finding factual history in a few years, ”whatever”.*   It’s even skewed in

the history books the kids read now.  A LOT is left out or merely glossed over.  God help

those who watch ”historical” movies for  accuracy!      *Presuming the progressive trend

continues in the US—and maybe if that doesn’t happen, history will still depend on the

authors of the books and the politics of the school districts which select them.

I had the pleasure of meeting one of the Tuskegee Airmen
when I was a young man in the 70’s. I had no idea who the Tuskegee Airmen were
until talking with him for a couple of hours. He related to me that they were
the best at their craft due to having a huge advantage in training and hours in
the air. Apparently The Army kept deferring their deployment oversees and as a
result they had four to five times more training hours in the air than the
typical fighter pilot.

I had the pleasure of meeting one of the Tuskegee Airmen
when I was a young man in the 70’s. I had no idea who the Tuskegee Airmen were
until talking with him for a couple of hours. He related to me that they were
the best at their craft due to having a huge advantage in training and hours in
the air. Apparently The Army kept deferring their deployment oversees and as a
result they had four to five times more training hours in the air than the
typical fighter pilot.

Whoa, Jason!   Be careful what you say/post!   A liberal will hit you with the ”r” word so

fast it will make your head spin.  If you are puzzled what this ”r” word is—it’s what the

Libs and the LSM call conservatives who disagree with B.O.

Good for you, Don!   Let’s hope the kids will pick up the books and actually get some-

thing out of them which they didn’t learn in their history classess.

This movie and the over exaggeration of it is just another way if you notice how TV is getting over exaggerated with commercials, shows, etc with twice as many black people in them. I am not racist, but since our President took over, the movie industry has moved in that direction. In the beginning it was subtle, then more and more and more.What I notice the most is the amount of movies where the main character in charge is black and the white people have to report to her. It is not my imagination and it’s fine as long as they have the talent, butt!!!!!! these people didn’t just happen overnight.

It’s the same old story, “P.k.”   You well know there are folks who want to hold onto their

”glory days” and will NOT retire or go away.  Politicians, as another example.

Cuba Gooding Jr. was in a fantastic film “The Tuskegee Airmen” made in 1995. That he would make a new, crap film about the same subject is surprising. Buy the DVD, invite all your friends, and enjoy a wonderful portrayal of a wonderful story.

I have not seen this film, and by the accounts here, not sure I want to.  But I did see a film several years ago that took a wonderful WWII tale of courage and bravery and literally destroyed it.  The film is Windtalkers with one of my favorite actors, Nicholas Cage.  But who ever shredded the truth in this WWIi historical movie should never have written a screenplay again.  We know that it waa American Indians who helped with the codes our troups used, but this film took those wonderful facts and distorted them.  In the film, all of the Caucasian soldiers were mean, and hated the Indian soldiers!  I had really been looking forward to this film.  It was so rediculous, so distorted, I never looke at it again.  But, hey, that is Hollywood.  For God only knows what reason, white people are hated in Tiinsel Town, and they never let an opportunity to “prove” that in their films.  And on television too.

Well, kiddo, there just has to be some info out there somewhere.  Even

if it’s found in a dusty, old book of statistics relating to WWII.

That is another thing.  This administration is doing everything in its power to destroy anything and everything about our history.  Even in the rural and very conservative community where my family lives, the head person who oversees the entire County library system, STRIPPED OUR LIBRARY!  Every reference book was removed!  Yes, there was a bit of an uproar in our local newspaper and the editor was upset about it and publised letters to the editor from citizens who were also upset.  But nothing has been done – and who could do anything?  I feel like we are in Nazi Germany and the books are being burned!  Did anyone in the USA EVER think such a thiing would happen here??????????  May God help us if Obama gets elected again.  Within the ensuing four years, if he is elected again, we will not even be able to recognize our country  And by then it may be too late to undo the damage.  He could change the laws of the land and make any future elections nothing but the same kind of joke they are in Russia today.

Yeah, raylene, I had heard about this movie too.  From my movie review book, it only

was a so-so movie. Given 2 stars by  Leonard Maltin.  Windtalkers (2002)    ”During

WWII, 2 Marines are given the job of protecting a pair of Navajo code talkers at all costs

during the bloody battle of Saipan.”   The review goes on to say the opportunity to learn

about the code operation is squandered — it had cliched dialogue.      Too bad.  Sounds

like a story that would be worth the telling.

I can’t tell you how I looked forward to this movie when there was a lot of talk while it was being made.  It was such a true and dramatic part of WWII history.  And the actual facts were prostituted and pandered to, and made a part of this, “hate all white Americans because they were, and are - all evil anyway.”   This administration-wide restructuring of the equality our forefathers wanted for all of us is turning our country into a God-hating, Caucasian-hating nightmare.  And, of course, it fits in so perfectly with what Glenn has been telling us for at least a year – bottom up, top down.  And to bring that “bottom up,” you need a lot of people exactly like the protest Wallstreet people, or whatever they call themselves.  The more of them there are, and the madder they can be made at anyone who has anything, the more likely they will bring the people at the top down to be replaced by what?  Rabble?  We are seeing it right now in these hateful Republican races to determine a candidate for president.   This “hate everyone who has anything” mind set has already gotten so strong, that it is now considered to be completely undesirable and literally criminal, for the candidates not to be poor!  How many presidents have we had who were poor?  And who expected the men and women who run our country to be poor?  Now, all of a sudden, being poor is a guidlline to success?  And the wealthy are no better than crimiinals?

More than “a few” bombers were lost under the TA’s watch. The myth that they never lost a bomber has been perpetuated and become the common mantra. The truth is much different. The Tuskegee Airmen had about the same bomber loss rate as other European based fighter squadrons.

the red tails or Tuskegee Airmen were the only squadron to not loose one bomber to enemy planes my father flew in a B-17 an loved them whenever they were the escorts

I would have loved ot hear his stories; I live in phoenix and the history of the red tails is amazing. There is a movie from the late nintys I believe that told their story as well; it was amazing.

I saw Red Tail the day that it came out and I enjoyed it a great deal, if Glenn were a pilot as I am, he would have found the flying and action scenes to be worth viewing. Glenn drilled down too far being critical as he was after he viewed the movie.  I enjoyed it so much that three days leader, I went to see it again. Glenn also needs to know that men that smoke pipes also tend to suck on them occasionally without lighting their pipe.  The movie achieved it’s objective, it showed how the Red Tail pilot’s overcame all of the many challenges that were thrown in front of them. I believe movies are made to entertain, and I will bet that any PILOT that see’s the movie will enjoy it and be entertained. 

In 1982 I played a round of golf with Benjamin O. Davis–commander of the Tuskegee Airmen during WWII who retired from the Air Force as a Lt General (promoted to 4-star by the President after retirement in 1998).  I was a walk-on standby player one Saturday at Andrews AFB in Maryland.  The starter called my name and teamed me with a “Davis” and two young active duty airment to make up a foursome of walk-ons.  I recognized him immediately as we four strangers appoached the first tee,  but neither the starter or the two airmen did.  General Davis had also checked in to play as a walk-on–no special priviledge for him.  After introductions I told him how honored I was to play a round of golf with him.  General Benjamin O. Davis was one of the legends of the Air Force.  A gracious and honorable man and every bit a general officer.  By the way, an excellent golfer too. 

Spend a little time looking through here, you will find all the information your looking for,
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/ 

What was remarkable about the black airman was all the stumbling blocks put in their path and how they over came them to be on of the best fighter squadrons in Europe. Its no exaggeration that what ever bomber squadron they were flying cover for, they never lost a plane.  The movie does not do justice to their bravery or skills.  Its simply an action movie and a poor one at that.

NINE MYTHS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN

2. THE MYTH OF “NEVER LOST A BOMBER” 

http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/Uploads/files/About%20US/Airmen/Nine_Myths_About_the_Tuskegee_Airmen.pdf

I believe the same can be said about The Iron Lady.   From what I have heard from those that have seen the movie and know the history about Margaret Thatcher, she was wrongly portrayed.   Hollywood changing history to further their agaenda.

this is not the first ‘Tuskegee Airmen’ film but it is sure being hawked as if it is.  hard not to notice it is coming out now… as obama kicks off 2012.  and how bizarre — obama is gutting our Military now too.

 Lucas is -at last- happily living his Hollywood leftist billionaire’s dream with a black pretty Lady now – and we feel that their 5yr relationship is his actual big ‘push’ for this poorly made movie.  

sad about Lucas’ career, to KEEP ON falling that far in his films, yes he keeps making money but the quality is not there.  they just keep on getting worse.   yes we paid to go see every film he made ..up until Jan 2009 !!  but we sadly we just haven’t truly Liked anything he’s made after the original Star Wars and Raiders.  wonder what happened, he got rich and lost his mojo??  maybe money really cannot buy talent !!!!

Red Tails has a trailer docu on cable that runs in loops, they did have a couple of elderly Tuskegee Airmen come to the set. (one just passed away on the film’s opening day).

Just an FYI, in regard to the segregation of US Armed Forces, this was done by Pres
Woodrow Wilson, who also was responsible for re-segregating all fed govt offices as
well–truly an evil man, as Glenn has mentioned many times!

Well, duh. It’s Lucas.

The warbird scene calls it generally “worse than Pearl Harbor”, and given what a CF that movie was, that says a lot.

One of the actors claimed that the Tuskeegee airmen cleared the skies above Normandy and that without them Hitler would still hold Europe. That says it a lot about how dumb the entire production is.

You wanta good movie in that era? There’s a Japanese movie about admiral Yamamoto. It’s absolutely FAN-TAS-TIC.

“The Tuskeegee Airmen” can be purchased on DVD…it was an HBO original movie…I have a copy…great flick and more historicly acurate

My wife and I watched the movie on its debut at a local theatre. We both had great anticipation that we were going to see a great historical story portrayed on the big screen.  Boy were we disappointed!! The story was historically inadequate, the characters were not fully developed and several “could have been great moments” were not. The movie and characters were all very forgettable while the actual historical story is branded into my mind. I was truly disappointed.

Sadly just about every single thing coming out of Hollywood (or Ho*owood as I call it) is nothing but severely slanted, blatant and subliminal propaganda in it’s worst form since the 40′s. I’ll refrain from using the names of the people who mastered it in Germany, but you know who they are.

Ahhh.
Again, glenn proves that he is better than everyone else.
Lucas, a cinema icon must now play second fiddle to glenn beck!
I am shocked that Lucas did not know that he should run every movie, script and story line by glenn the God before filming begins!
glenn is such a jack ass!!!!!

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

Please utilize your 2nd Amendment rights and take your trusted little musket and kill yourself.
Good riddance you senile, racist old fu**!!!

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

All that from a liar and a Phony Soldier.  There’s not a racist bone in my body you liar and bigot.

Are you still here you Phony?

I was beginning to believe only black folks ate at McDonalds from their commercials. Black folks I know are smarter than that…

Disqus generic email templateThanks for the correction. I haven’t studied them in great detail, but really admired them. I assume they did have a pretty good record, tho’. I like getting the facts! -whatever-
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Sven79 wrote, in response to whateverdotcom:

The “never lost a bomber” claim is a myth; it was reported by a Chicago paper as Morale booster, but in actuality, several bombers were lost, and coincidentally, a bomber was lost on the day that article was published. See wikipedia for USAF documentation on WWII bombers lost during sorties that were escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen.
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Disqus generic email templateBoy, no kidding! Look at the trouble Texas had recently haggling with the libs about textbooks! Not sure how this can be fixed, except reminding everyone all the time – and making sure our kids don’t just “drink the koolaid” or blindly believe everything government “teachers” tell them. What’s worse, waterboarding to save lives – or forcibly brainwashing our kids? Anyway, thanks and God Bless America!
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bjv wrote, in response to whateverdotcom:

Big problem with finding factual history in a few years, ”whatever”.* It’s even skewed in
the history books the kids read now. A LOT is left out or merely glossed over. God help
those who watch ”historical” movies for accuracy! *Presuming the progressive trend
continues in the US—and maybe if that doesn’t happen, history will still depend on the
authors of the books and the politics of the school districts which select them.

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A completley inaccurate movie.For more than 60 years the myth that they “never lost a bomber they were
escorting to an enemy fighter,” was their primary claim to fame!
This was not true, that they had, indeed, lost some 25 bombers to enemy fighters.
another false claim, i.e. that the Tuskegee Airmen flew more than 15,000 combat missions. ALSO NOT TRUE!
Their own official records indicate that the T/A only flew 311
missions.  so-called 15,000 “missions” were actually
15,000 ”sorties.
Stats on all of the 16 fighter groups flying in the Eighth Air Force
over western Europe. And, when these records are compared, the Tuskegee
Airmen rank at the bottom of the list despite the fact that they had 
four squadrons to only three for the 8th AF groups. FYI, and one of the
reasons the T/A exploit their 15,000+ sorties (which they call missions)
is that on a normal mission they would put up 64 fighters compared to
only 48 for the 8th AF groups . And, since they did mostly ground
support missions rather than bomber escort missions, the average length
of their missions was about half that of the time in the air flown by
the 8th AF fighters.
“The most successful squadron in American history.” NOT SO! It would be
more correct to say they have been the most publicized squadron in
American history, however, thanks to a fully-paid public relations staff
in Washington

cutting and pasting again?
seriously…
pull the trigger and end your pathetic life!

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

Are you still here you Phony Soldier liar and bigot?

Sorry, guys, the no losses claim is false. They lost 25 bombers. That’s straight from the official historian. It’s in an email I have, but I have to drag it out and repost it here. The historian’s personal contact information is in that email if anyone wants to call him. There’s a lot of other information in that email. too.

Like you did? You couldn’t even do it right. Give it another try you only took off half of your noggin, Phony Soldier, liar.

I am so glad to see in writing what I also have started to notice about how black people are now being portrayed on TV in commercials and in movies. I honestly am not at all a bigot and never have been but I’m sure to be called one now! They are everywhere being portrayed as the majority, they are the leaders or bosses. It’s just so out of tune with the truth but I think people are afarid to say a word about it just as I was.  There is a strong new kind of racial tension building in America and I worry a bit now where we are headed?

I don’t know if you have noticed, but other bloggers are also sick of your two pages of bullsh**. It is annoying, takes up too much space and means nothing to anyone but you.

Easy solution, stop lying.

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

Your a liar and a Phony Soldier piece of crap. You’re a tick on the A$$ of humanity. If you don’t like it then take your hatred and nonsense somewhere else.

OBTW, stay away from the children.

I knew a little of the Tuskegee airmen story, and they were an admirable group. Because so few were allowed to serve, only the very best were taken and completed training. Their record is good enough that no one is served by exaggerating it.

I am an aircraft modeler and enthusiast, and I went mostly for the flying scenes, so the extremely shallow character development and juvenile plot was only slightly annoying. It might have been possible to recognize the significant contributions of the red tails without condemning every other fighter pilot that served as a selfish glory hound. Interestingly, the film’s most admirable character was a glory hound. I don’t see how having their first P-51′s be the correct P-51B model would have been less cinematic, although, I admit, the P-51D shown is a little “prettier”. Other historic innaccuracies didn’t help. For example, Since the ME-262 had a bout a 100mph speed advantage over any Allied aircraft, most of them were destroyed when they were most vulnerable, when landing or taking off. It’s very unlikely that any Allied pilot had two aerial victories against them at all, let alone on one mission.

My Dad was a waist-gunner in a B17 (Memphis Bell type).  He very seldom would speak of his experiences although I’ve been able to learn through the 390th Bomb Group web site that he flew 30 missions over Germany and one over France.  He told us once that he and the crew always felt safer with the group of black fighter pilots and their red-tailed mustangs.  He said they were ferocious in protecting the flight and probably saved his life at least once that he could remember. My thanks to the Tuskegee pilots and those who kept them flying.

You’re absolutely correct, it’s two pages of your lies and ignorance.

Are you still here?

That,  we can thank Obama for.  Things had been tamed and quiet until he arrived on the scene and started the class warfare.    The blacks in this counrty haven’t the foggiest idea, that his intentions are not in their best interest-he couldn’t care less.
It’s America he wants to bring down, not to elevate the black man.
If that were the case, he would take issue with the many black babies aborted every year.

This should have been a slam-dunk of a movie to make. Great story, great facts, and great history. This should have been the movie “Glory” with P-51 Mustangs. Lucas’ best movie was “American Graffiti”. “Star Wars was OK, “Empire Strikes back” was good, but everything after that has been mediocre at best. “Raiders of the Lost Arc” was with Spielberg, and the sequels to that were also mediocre at best.

I saw a clip of Red Tails, and right then and there decided NOT to see it.  The dialogue sounded PC to me.  Not what you’d expect to hear in the 40′s.  The no-smoking is PC circa 21st century because liberals love to attack inanimate objects since they can’t fight back.  Smoking is a no-no in Hollywood flms — especially by women.  Well, tobacco anyway.

Actually, I don’t care about your cut and paste filled out of context lies.
I also think you should keep it up.
Your cut and paste pages of bullsh** are creating and log jam which frustrates bloggers and turns away potential glenn beck fans because they are frustrated with your annoying tactics.
So, thank you for jamming the sights with your lies…Your stubborn ignorance is hurting gb and helping America

you frgot to call him a sexest to remember what he said about Barbara.

Many of the preceding comments are accurate.  The Tuskeegee Airmen had four fighter squadrons that went into combat, and one bomber squadron that did not.  They were very well-trained; the movie would have one believe that they had no training or experience in aerial combat, and just magically became great because of innate abilities.  While it is true that they were not committed to roles in aerial combat initially, they were nonetheless trained in it, and relied on that training when assigned to bomber escort.

It is also true that they lost bombers – one contributor below says 25, and the records of the units themselves say 26. The assertion that they never lost a bomber is a canard (but is an assertion the movie did not make); nonetheless, losing that few bombers, especially when escorting bombers over some of the most heavily defended targets in Europe, is a tremendous accomplishment that does not need embellishment.

The movie portrayed the characters as undisciplined, good ol’ boys with no regard for the rules.  No combat unit survives with that approach, and even today, meeting the survivors, one knows the portrayal is inaccurate.  Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., commander of the Tuskeegee Airmen and the first black 4-star General, did not make his rank by indiscipline, and he did not tolerate it in his units.

The movie characters were composites; none was a real-to-life person, and that was its biggest flaw.  There are true tales of heroism in all of the units; the public would have been better served by realistically portraying some of them.

The movie was accurate in only one sense – that pure bias kept the black pilots in outdated, cast-off aircraft, kept them from the same high-priority missions assigned to white pilots, and was a constant struggle for them.  It kept the black bomb squadron from being committed to combat.  The movie made bare mention the struggle the Tuskeegee Airmen had in getting into pilot training in the first place, and ended before the return to hatred and prejudice they encountered after the war’s end.

“Sticks and stones,” Ryan. I realize that Strtlk’s mentally ill.
He hasn’t the capacity to make sound judgement. He can’t sway anyone with his words, for they express lunacy.

I suggest we ignore him, unless he is really out there on a post.
Smiles

You mean the truth that I post about you, you Phony soldier liar. Everyone wants to know who and what you are!!!

For today, and every day you post here, I will post your lies on every comment you make on this site….

Why don’t you just go away you liar and Phony Soldier. Everyone would understand that move on your part. Your hate and ignorance is not winning any converts here. You’re the butt of jokes and ridicule.

Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.

You’re a lying sack of crap. You denied serving on a submarine, and knowing what SSBN was. I posted your words verbatim.

You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.

Here’s your “one on one” you little puke of a man.

1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!

2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.

3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.

4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.

5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.

6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

Are you catching on everyone? He’s a liar plain and simple and nothing he claims can be believed.

Folks, I have the posts of these two Phonies and have posted just a couple to prove he is a liar and just makes up stories about his Military Service. His latest story is right out of Wikipedia. His classified VMS crap is also right out of Wikipedia and US NAVY.mil. I’m a member there.

He wants to take me on “one on one” when he’s already proven in his own words that he’s a liar and a fake.

Flag the idiot so he can come back as another loser like his other fake ID “Vinny” where hes a 10 year Army Sargent on another classified secret mission that he can’t talk about.

There you go loser, “one on one” only I backed up my posts with facts and your own words as proof. Why don’t you have the balls to admit to your lies, tuck your head up your A$$, take your bigotry and hate and Phony Soldier ID and leave us honest people alone?

Once again, Here you are caught in your lies. These are your words verbatim:

strtlk said: on Hollywood elites want to be taxed more 09/24/11 07:51 PM

“1. No idea where Bangor, WA is. I thought Bangor was in Maine!
2. What the heck is a “Boomer” or SSBN? You know what…I don’t care!
3. Reminding people that glenn was a dead beat dad is a factual statement about him, not his innocent children. Nice try though slime ball.
3. Either talk about something relevant and stop this, you are jason bourne crap!”

Caught in your lies strtlk.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Folks, strtlk/mtclayboy has been caught in his lies, He’s a lying sack of crap.

It’s called equality. Hard to get used to it, no?

“Things had been tamed and quiet”, you really mean to say blacks are ‘things’? That you, a Beckian, out of all people, knows what is “in their best interest”!? You are a rufree, nuf insult right there.

Holly crap. You’re still doing this creepy thing? Get a life dude.

Equality is a fantasy.  We can only treat those around us we know they should be treated.  You can NOT legislate it.  It takes your very own commitment.

As you can tell be my username, I am a HUGE fan of the P51.  I went just to hear the sound of the engines, see the flying, and laugh at the “dramtic license” taken by Hollywood.  The Tuskeegee airman are part of our history and show that we are ALL Americans.  NOT African Americans, Chinese Americans, Italiain Americans, or any other created name.  The Great Melting Pot should be just that.  Who cares about race, creed, or color???  We ARE Americans!

You’re the one talking about legalizing anything. Equality is a principle, not an ideal or fantasy. And it doesn’t mean everyone is the same, it means every one gets a chance.

but where is the fun in that.

I don’t take advice from idiots, morons, freaks and you.

Equality! That is not equality at all. If blacks make up 24% (for example) of the U.S. Population shouldn’t they make up about the same in things like advertising? Why the sudden population explosion that is unrealistic? I know the difference between equality and bullshit do you? Something big is coming and I do not mean that in a good way. Obama is not what he appears to be and the next election is already rigged for him to win watch and see.

Again, start living, dude. Don’t think it can be too healthy to be titillating waiting for some guy to post something so you can post your ill written crap. Free yourself by taking control of your own actions. Read Kant.

You are funny. “24% (for example)” There is no for example. There is what it is. But enlighten me. What is this “something big is coming” that is not good?

I know a couple of ole B-17 drivers and they say that the facts are that the Red Tails NEVER lost a 17 under their care.  As soon as the Germans showed up, the Red Tailed 51s were GONE.  So I won’t be going to see this movie either.

Again, I don’t give a crap about what a vulgar moron like you has to say.

Glen Beck is a racist!! so please Glen don’t promote the red tails at all …lol

thats what they have done in hollywood since ww2 is make action over dramatized movies, but u only have a problem with this one not pearl harbor or all of the john wayne war films…i wonder why?

yeah hbo keep them of the big screen and lol keep them in there place

ur hatred is poring out of u and u can’t stand it can u?
all stories before this one have almost all been about these white soldiers and pilots ur talking about..and as soon as there is a movie to show that 1% of less than 1% of movies that deal with the african american heroes in the war u get all upset..sorry here have the whole cake and feel good again

oh boy!! ur upset lol…if u could only see though a none white persons eyes if only for a day

get ur facts strait!!
it was never said they didn’t lose a bomber, they never lost a bomber to an enemy plane!
omg!! is everyone this stupid or what?

not much a pilot can do about AA guns on the ground

i really think racism makes people stupid

i really think racism makes people stupid

I believe the word you meant to use was “their” and I think you are an under educated, racist, bigoted boob.

Well, if we took McDonalds commercials as a mirror of who WE are, then we are all interracial couples having kids while we are still in high school! Next time you see the animated McD’s commercial with “little Suzy” (who just had the training wheels off her bike) take a good freeze frame look at it!

TV shows, movies, and other visual media should attempt to portray the demographics of WHO they are depicting. By this standard, blacks are being over depicted, and asians, latinos, and middle easterners are being under depicted.

 yes that was a joke being sarcastic! and i am black!!
yes i have a learning disability but i try!

 If the  trailer stinks, the movie stinks.   The trailer stinks. 

 i feel sorry for the people who listen to others before they decide to see this movie.
you really need to see this in the theater for the dog fight scenes cause i promise you this , when you see it on the monitor you will say at least once…i should have seen this on the big screen.
is the acting Oscar worthy?
no!!
but all racism aside, if u go in with an open mind u will like it…i did. and if my 8yr old can sit through a 2hr movie without complaining once then it can’t be that bad.
wow!! i don’t think i have seen so many people hate something they have never watched before so much.

It’s a visually exiting and mostly enjoyable film, but some of the directing and editing calls were ridiculous.  Still fun to watch, but could have been so much more authentic without comprimising on its’ entertainment value.  Almost as if they should of had two directors: one for the flight scenes and air combat and a second for the dialog and dramatic acting scenes.