He’s back! Van Jones returns, says Florida has “kill at will” law

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While Glenn was out on vacation, Van Jones returned to promote his new “Rebuild the Dream” book and comment on the Trayvon Martin killing. Of course, he instantly took the same position as many radical groups and organizations – which was to assume guilty until proven innocent. The only difference? He did it in his nice, new, “I love you, you love me” package. After all, this is the same guy who the New York Times called a “dream boat” a week ago. And while he didn’t make the overt calls to violence that Farrakhan and the New Black Panthers have done, he also did little to call for an end to the violent rhetoric and assumptions while police sort things out and determine facts during an increasingly scrutinized case. Instead, he said police won’t arrest George Zimmerman because Florida has a “Kill at Will” law. Is that going to be the new line from the radical left on this tragedy?

Glenn will be discussing Van Jones in depth tonight on GBTV – don’t miss it!

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Van Jones is the rising threat who will follow up after Kaiser Obama leaves office – from the voters this Nov, by impeachment (I hope) or after the civil war against his coming dictatorship if he goes for broke, which is most likely.

    Recall that with Van Jones, no matter how you change the wrapping and presentation, is still a true progressive socialist at heart and in motivation and ideology. He is a dangerous radical to the extreme; the difference between him and Obama is he is correcting and thus learning from his mistakes.

    That makes him many more times more dangerous than Obama.

    Recall that soon after the arising of the Tea Party movement, and his disgrace in office and subsequent dismissal he started his Project STORM, and declared he will make a political socialist party of the 99&rs, and will have 2000 candidates for office by 2016 on the local, county, state and national levels.

    Most people are beginning to see Hillary Clinton as a likely contender for POTUS in 2016, I have to disagree with that. Hillary and her record are too well known for their extremism; the most likely 2016 member will be Van Jones.

    It’s not as crazy as it sounds.

    Look at Van Jones:
    Community Activism
    Building a socialist movement/party
    Building a base among county and state levels.
    Buidling a image of ‘love you, love me’ by the socialist media machinery.

    In short step by step he is being turned into the next President candidate; assuming we have anything left of the nation by then.

  • General Kota

    Van Jones is a lying fool. Is George Zimmerman guilty or guiltless I say we let the courts decide that but stop calling for the murder of the guy. How does it bring Trayvon Martin back? Nothing can but it really makes me sick that the left are using a dead teen’s body as a political cannon fodder. Who the hell do you guys think you are? Let justice work for its self and keep your dirty hands off our guns.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    True – Van Jones speaks for himself, and nothing will bring Trayvon Martin back; the main thing is the progressives have become so utterly addicted to their insane and menacing ideology they no longer care what reality is. To them all things are to be manipulated in some matter for power and control.

    That is all they ultimately care for, power and control over others.

    Let the courts decide the matter of Zimmerman.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Caruso/1587245855 Sandy Caruso

    Same candybar, different wrapper. Van Jones still has the same heart, the same anti-capitalist feelings, same love for communism. He’s just re-packaged himself for another run for a czar position IF Obama happens to win a second term. God Help Us if that happens. There will be nothing left of this country.

  • General Kota

    Amen!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IBPI63ABT264USBDALCN4F7UKY billy2

    they can clean this commie freak up, 10 ways to Sunday and the fluker, still comes up lookin dirty!!!!!!!!!!!! you cannot EVER clean up, nor get the stench off,………….jones, you just suck BOY!!!

  • Anonymous

    This guy should be stopped to preserve damage control before he adds to the already flamable situation in FL.   He should also be made an example of what happens to those that incite violence.

  • Anonymous

    A revolutionary’s main goal is to organize power. “From the moment an organizer enters a community, he lives, dreams, eats, breaths, sleeps only one thing, and that is to build the mass power base of what he calls the army.” The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. To Alinsky radicals, “democracy” means getting those that are in, out. Their goal is to mobilize the poor and the “oppressed” as a battering ram to bring down the system.
    What better way than to use the Trayvon Martin case to achieve this goal? To Van Jones, this is manna from heaven; a crisis in the making.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Van Jones wants MLK’s mantle like Beck, who refused to debate him or Bill Price, or any other educated progressive, wants the mantle of Robert Ford.  

  • Anonymous

    Well, maybe you should just stay out of Florida, Van.

  • Anonymous

    Semper Fidelis, Mr Jones , you will go the route of Stalin,Mao, and Hitler ,Osama, and someone whose name rhymes with his.  You lose, dude, there are too many of us that know your modus operendi.  Good bye, Dude.  I usually say this when someone dies on televison, from a gunshot wound or what ever.  Anyway Goodbye, Mr. Jones. You Lose in this life or the next. Matters not you are not smart just a manipulating loser.  OOh Rah!

  • landofaahs

    I can understand why his criminal ilk would want to be protected from honest citizens when they pull their evil deeds.  Don’t want to have anyone protect themselves huh.

  • landofaahs

    Van Jones?  Was he that bald guy that played on “The Partridge Family”?

  • landofaahs

    They had better pray that nothing happens to Zimmerman because they could be considered accomplices.

  • Anonymous

    What scares me is that there are soooooo many “convenient idiots” out there who vote for Obysma because 1. he is black, 2. they actually think he is going to give them money (I know you’ve seen the Utube video of the black woman saying she can’t wait to get some of that “Obama money”), and 3. they are totally gleeful that now all their illegitimate babies are gonna get healthcare (I swear to God, I saw a Utube video of some big black gal jumping up and down and bouncing her boobies, talking about how her 7 ‘chilluns is gonna get some health care’…..  and GLOATING about how she is going to be totally supported by the government…
    God save us.

  • Anonymous

    Who the heck is Bill Price, try Bill Press idiot.

  • Soulphoenix

    Mr. Jones is clever, but at some point most of his fanatic shoeples are going to figure out who and what he really is. By then it will probably be too late for most of them, and maybe for the rest of us as well.

    Yikes. Are there any large, uninhabited islands left? Just kidding. I will stand here.

  • Anonymous

    Back ? Van Jones never really left.  This admitted Communist and longtime friend of Obama, Jarrett and others has been in the inside circle for many years. They have been following the Cloward/Privan and Saul Alinsky to perfection with the blessing of all those who voted to fundamentally change America.

  • http://twitter.com/wheredaphukawe mac
  • http://twitter.com/wheredaphukawe mac

    equal time demanded!   White Panthers? or is that racist to even want to have such a group?

  • Anonymous

    It’s like magic Vicky<2, you are just as stupid as you were before you disappeared…

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if George Zimmermann will remain a democrat after this is all over?

  • Anonymous

    No wonder Glenn is not on TV anymore. He quotes van jones for 2 seconds at a time then rambles on for 10 mins at a time….. Irony? Always suspect anyone who claims that the Truth Lives Here… “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. ” Mathew 7:15

  • Bill Tilghman

    You open your mouth once a week and still manage to stick both feet in up to the knees. Well played!

  • Anonymous

    ???

  • Anonymous

     Bible verse is talking about false Christian like teaching..Think before you type stupid comment.

  • Anonymous

    now why is this story coming to light a month after the incident? it is all a distraction. one month contraception and Catholics next blacks and zimmerman and no one is talking about obamas bad economy and bad budget. obama and his adviCzars are pure Evil following Saul Alinsky’s Lucifer

  • http://twitter.com/_tonyjohnson Tony Johnson
  • Anonymous

    Well, snow, we all know the LSM will be backing Jones if he decides to run.  And, again,

    there will probably be no more vetting of him then there was of B.O.   However, if the

    GOP, conservatives or the ”other side” media would hammer this one message at the

    voters—what public office has he ever served to which he was voted?   OR—in what

    way has he ever governed ie: mayor, governor etc.?     This is presuming he will NOT

    have been voted to serve in Congress in the meantime.  If so, it would be a perfect set

    up of: the man does not have enough experience.  (Sorta like B.O. when he ran for the

    office of POTUS.   Where was his experience as a leader?)

  • Anonymous

    Well, snow, we all know the LSM will be backing Jones if he decides to run.  And, again,

    there will probably be no more vetting of him then there was of B.O.   However, if the

    GOP, conservatives or the ”other side” media would hammer this one message at the

    voters—what public office has he ever served to which he was voted?   OR—in what

    way has he ever governed ie: mayor, governor etc.?     This is presuming he will NOT

    have been voted to serve in Congress in the meantime.  If so, it would be a perfect set

    up of: the man does not have enough experience.  (Sorta like B.O. when he ran for the

    office of POTUS.   Where was his experience as a leader?)

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunatly, this doesn’t seem to bother the LSM or the fools that would vote for him. Just like the ones that voted for Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, ”pat”, you know how it goes.   “Look at my right hand!  Forget what’s going on in

    the left hand.”      It’s what parents do with young children.  Distract.

  • Anonymous

    I know, C.S.   Sad, isn’t it?   One wonders if/how America will ever survive another 4

    years of B.O.

  • Anonymous

    Alveda King is Martin Luther King, Jr’s niece.  We really loved her appearances on Glenn Beck, and wish to hear from her more.  She continues to say that MLK would NOT be with this president, or Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson.  That would include this entire administration & Van Jones.  Instead of screaming “racist” first, they should blast MLK in his own words through every speaker.  Then see if they’re not inspired to approach today’s issues more effectively.  If they still can’t, then they’ve not risen to MLK’s level and the universe itself will shut them down.

    Are you with those clowns?  Or are you with Martin Luther King, Jr.?

    They have trouble realizing that MLK is more than a name in history books.  He’s in Spriit form now, watching EVERYTHING from his throne. 

    All these clowns can assume they’ll meet up with him one day, but God’s gonna let them know if that is so, and no one else.  Believing you’ll be rewarded in Heaven for your deeds has nothing to do with faith. 

    Faith is a way of life NOW.

  • Anonymous

    There is no proof Van Jones is a communist.  He admitted 20 years ago that he studied Marxism but that doesn’t mean anything about today.  More lies and scaremongering and no facts here.

  • Anonymous

    Very plausible.

      Barack Obama once said that revolutions are built by the ground up, not the top down. 

    They have hatched a plan and are attempting to execute it.

  • Anonymous

    Educated progressives believe that revolution is progress and that progress is tomorrow.
     
    It is not, nor has it ever been the conservative agenda to fan the flames of said revolution.

    That is why patriots like Glenn Beck will not grant an audience to wouldbe killers such as your friends, Mr.Jones and Mr.Press.

     

  • General Kota

    If I where him I would not.

  • General Kota

    Not with this DOJ they would be hailed as heroes by them.

  • SoThere

    He said he was. That’s proof enough for me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_63M2KSGFVZEDMJQMO2BB7EX47M Gert B Frobe

    Van Jones is back with the same garbage that is spewed over and over again.  He is like a Steven Seagal or Van Damme movie that cannot avoid the stigma of type casting.  Basically, the same applies to me if I visit 30 toilets, drop the same crap, and flush it down your throat with a little media coverage to go with it.  Same song, same dance!

    Make an example out of these buffoons as a constant reminder of how NOT to act!  They will eventually shut up when they cannot effect change on the masses.  These actions of irrelevance are so insane that it reminds me of a person who persists on flapping his arms to fly regardless of physics.

    Thanks for the comedy!

  • Anonymous

    He reminds me of a mother vulture;  she eats and then regurgitates her kill to her off spring.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I really think these people have never opened a Bible or know who Matthew was, not to mention Jesus!

  • Anonymous

     Since this ‘Trayvon’ Trajic event can be EXPLOITED To Advance the party’s collective (socialist) national Ideals, ’Trayvon’  becomes ‘Martydom’ and other victims of other events become Irrelevant.
    ” The 911 tapes do Not indicate Any racial bias in the Trayvon case (so far) , But there are Some out there that will Force it to be a case of bias (even though there is no evidence) .
    ‘Exploting or Using One Group Against the Other to Advance the Collective party’s power over Individuals’ (alinsky,socialism tactics) , Seems to be the Rationale for some Leftist (or democrat) to EXPLOIT This Trajic Event.

    ” Bascially, Multi Millionaire Stars, Extremists (groups,media, political,etc.) Are Claiming (Like extremist Sharpton) that they are Also the ‘ Collective Victim ‘ of the Trayvon Case , Without Knowing about the Facts of this Case .
    Hopefully the parents of Tray and the hispanic defendant (zimmerman), can get a Fair Trial without the Political or Racial Opportunist Exploiting this Issue for their own selfish reasons . ” “

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, having the words come directly out of his mouth are not good enough, just like Obamao. I was wondering who would actually listen to this idiot, then a scrolled down and there you are. Just change your user ID to Skidmark already.

  • Anonymous

    These people are hilarious. Van Jones and the like are the ones who wanted to give the guys in Gutmo civilian trials, because our justice system is so great. Then they turn around and talk about vigilantes killing Zimmerman. They know EXACTLY what happened there, without being there or even letting the police investigate. Hypocrisy at its finest.

  • Anonymous

    Other than the fact he admits to becoming a Communist in August of 1992.

  • General Kota

    Oh look the moron is back and half-baked to it looks.

  • General Kota

    Damn why doesn’t the holy water get rid of this devil.

  • Anonymous

    People change in 20 years.

  • Guest

    ..

  • Sandie

    Half baked and half cocked !

  • General Kota

    Maybe it’s both!

  • SoThere

    He hasn’t. You just don’t want to admit it. He’s spewing the same garbage today as he did 20 years ago.  Stay stupid.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    A key characteristic of propagandists is double standards. Beck has an ally who used to be a Marxist, but he doesn’t smear him because the guy, I can’t remember his name, supports Beck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    M
    uch of the psychology of Glenn Beck fans can be explained quite successfully in terms of pack mentality and behavior. Especially how they gang up, snarl and snap, when someone criticizes their pack leader Glenn Beck. This is one of the reasons why Glenn Beck does serve as an interesting case study in how propagandists operate and the pack mentality of their followers. When I describe Beck as being  a cult of personality, I wasn’t exaggerating.

    Kota, Sandie, Rabid, Bill, Benny, the racist, Hill, and Todd pretend that they are “individuals,” but what is clear to even the most casual observers is pack mentality.  Do they debate whether Beck is a coward or not?  Of course not.  They insult because that is how mob mentality works.

  • Anonymous

    One question:  Where were racists ‘kill at will’ words of the Van Jones’, Al Sharpton’s Jessie Jackson’s and Eric Holder’s  when defenseless little children get shot down in their own yards in nearly every large city in America?

  • Anonymous

    Oh my, how dumb can you really be Vicky<2?

  • Anonymous

    Anytime you want a real debate Vicky<2 just let me know…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Let me know when you grow up, racist little boy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TYIBOLLQVSK2BETH4UQNZ7DITU surrealdreamer

    Glenn, I have always been an admirer of yours and what you are trying to do to save our country and make America better. I am going to point out your hypocricy on this article. I recenty went to the blaze and read some of the articles about Trayvon Martin and was floored by the hatred of your followers…Maybe ending the hatred on your publications and at least tell people to tone down the hate filled rhetoric before trying to restore love. Van Jones may not have done much to call for an end to his violent rhetoric but I dont see you calling for an end to your followers either. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Awe, Benny, the racist, can’t stand the facts about his favorite propagandist.  THAT’s why you have your ire up and your childishness on “maximum.” You HATE the truth about Glenn Beck, the 21 Century’s Joseph Goebbels. You, who defend a blatant liar and purposeful misinformer, sometimes to the point of complete disassociation from reality, are the LAST person to insult anyone’s IQ.  Of course, you don’t care; you don’t have to care. You’re a Beckerhead, and baseless attacks is the strategy that works best for you and your (reactionary) ilk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    I’ll be more than happy to come to your school, help publicize the event and explain to your classmates exactly what a racist and childish defender of America’s Joseph Goebbels you are.

    Oh right, you’re a coward too.

  • Anonymous

    So far you have presented facts. remember you are the one that brought up the assertion that beck was homosexual because he shared an apartment with another male.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Your point is?  I brought that up here?  No, you did; so let me correct you (again).

    It’s not that he shared an apartment with another male, Todd. It’s that he shared an apartment with two other males and one is on record stating that Beck and the third housemate shared a BED at night.

    That dude is now in Beck’s employ. 

  • Anonymous

    Once again, Viktor, what is your point? None of this relates to homosexuality, which is the contention you are still trying to make.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Did I bring up Beck’s past here?  No, you did.

    I asked what your point was in bringing this up, and your answer is, “what is your point.” Are you pretending to be stupid, child-like and obnoxious, or are you the genuine article? I suppose that anyone who can write about “debunking the truth” is not really pretending to be stupid.

    None is this relates to homosexuality; you have that right.  So, why did you bring it up?

  • SoThere

    No Victor, you brought it up quite some time ago in fact you boasted that you had proof of it and were going to release the information to the general public.

    Once again Vicky, you’re a liar and have been caught in your lies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Your reading comprehension is, as usual, abysmal.  I did bring it up a long time ago, but this is a different post.  Todd brought it up here; I had no intention to bring it up here. Read carefully, I asked Todd: ”
    Did I bring up Beck’s past here?  No, you did.”  By “here” you twisted it to mean on G B dot com, but I meant on THIS web page.    See?  You twist my words to mean what you “think” they mean, and therefore turn reality upside down and make me a “liar.” 

    You don’t care about lies, Dillweed (So There is not your name), you’re a Beckerhead.  Beck lies, misinforms and is a propagandist.  You LOVE his lies, so get off your high rocking horse, little boy.

  • SoThere

    I don’t really care how you try and justify your lies Vicky.  You’re a liar.

  • General Kota

    Maybe it is one of Vicky fantasy?

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, when do you want to debate?

  • Anonymous

    So, I take it you aren’t ready for a debate yet?

  • Anonymous

    Oh Sh!t. Van Jones is back and so is VikTor Terrorist. Damn, just when you thought it was safe to post comments, the cockroaches and commie rats come crawling from the sewer.

  • Anonymous

    Aw, Vicky<2, you don't need to travel all that way. You can debate me right here, right now…

  • Anonymous

    It’s “aw” Vicky<2, not "awe". You are so stupid!!!

  • Anonymous

    And how is this related to the story Vicky<2?

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, you're a liar and you know it… Everyone knows it…

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, you are equivocating…

  • SoThere

    Youz funny. LMAO

  • Sandie

    So you are in “awe” of Benny now… LMAO

  • Sandie

    Then you would be spreading lies again. You never learn.

  • Anonymous

    Granted this is a 3 day old topic, but news is news! This just in: Van Jones refuses to appear on the O’Reilly Factor to promote his book! Guess he runs from debating everyone…Bill, Glenn, Laura…. Pussy Commie!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks. Life is too important to be taken seriously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Like Beck refuses to debate progressives, huh?   ”Guess he runs from debating everyone…Bill, Glenn, Laura…. Pussy Commie!”

    As usual, you have your facts wrong.  Beck refused to debate Van Jones.  Reactionary coward.

    “Pussy?”  No one will ever accuse you of NOT being a sexist.

  • Anonymous

    van Jones needs to shut up. and about the  Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman shooting
    case we don’t know what really happen. but  my neighborhood we had a neighborhood watch captain  I’m not saying it’s the same thing  but he found some kids trying to vandalize the school a week later he got vote off. now we have no neighborhood watch and now were having problems with are neighborhood. we really need to stand with are neighborhood watch citizens.

  • Anonymous

    Aw, Vicky<2, you never provide any proof… You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    And like you who refuses to debate anyone… You are such an idiot Vicky<2…

  • Sandie

    Again – it is YOU who has his “facts” wrong. Beck never refused to debate Jones. Beck does not run a debate show, and neither does Jones. You on the other hand won’t debate because you haven’t got it and never will. You, Vic, are a coward, and apparently too stupid to know better than to stand in your glass house and throw stones. Every time I have seen you challenged, you stand behind a wall of excuses. You are a wannabe playground bully.

  • Anonymous

    We’re talking Jones refusing to debate. As usual YOU have NO facts to propose. Name calling again VikTOR? Who’s the reactionary prick now? Pussy is not a sexist word, idiot. Pussy refers to a feisty feline…like YOU!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    …and since then, he’s become an eco-capitalist.  Again, pushing the same lie that Beck tells over and over and over that Van Jones IS a communist makes you a liar. Why don’t you or I claim that Beck IS a drunk?  Because he’s sobered up. Well, Jones is no longer a communist.

    Oh, and stand your ground laws are kill at will, but it’s not likely that Zimmerman’s new lawyer, an obviously decent man, will use that defense.  My prediction is that he’ll get Zimmerman off using self-defense.  At least now, a Jury can decide.

  • Anonymous

    Once an idiot. Always an idiot. Keep telling yourself this crap and believe what you want. You aren’t convincing anyone but yourself. We all know you’re a fool, VikTOR Terrorist. And that’s the only fact here.

  • Anonymous

    But Van Jones continues to push communistic ideas Vicky<2. It's in his speeches. All you have to do is listen. However, it's apparent you haven't. Thus you are an idiot!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Tell me you name and school, and I’ll go there, set up a venue and promote the debate.  Unless you attend Hillsdale or some other reactionary “school,” you’d lose straight up for being a racist and a follower of Glenn Beck, mostly the latter, because it is so easy to debunk his propaganda and demonstrate how he cherry picks history, the Constitution, etc. in order to support his misunderstandings.  Anyone, who knows anything, knows that Beck is full of dung.  You project when you call a far-better informed citizen “such and idiot,” but more likely you’re just trying to anger me.  500 attempts to anger me with your childish insults have not worked, but you’re too stupid or stubborn to change your tactics.

    Come on, “Benny:” tell me you name and school or admit that you’re a coward.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, Vicky<2, you fail to provide a true impetus. What's in it for me?

    And why not right here, right now?

  • Anonymous

    500 Attempts? Huhn, I see you can’t count either. It’s way higher than that.
    *
    And if it’s not the case that you are angry, why do you devote so much energy on your website to trying to marginalize me?
    *
    By the way, we all missed you while you were gone…
    *
    You are such an idiot!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Right here?  So all of your pack of attack dogs can jump in and pile on?  So you can insult my intelligence?  So you can continue to demonstrate that Beck’s most “intelligent” defender continues to act like a pissed off child? With no moderation?  I don’t think so; been there done that. No one here knows when they have been bested, including you.

    Disqus is not a debate venue.  When you grow a spine, let me know your name and where you go to college, if that’s not just more of your deceitfulness.  Then I’ll make arrangements.  

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, Vicky<2, I see you failed Negotiation 101. There's still nothing in it for me.
    *
    As far as other people contributing to the discussion, why is that a problem? If your arguments are valid and sound then you should have no problem.
    *
    Do you know what make a valid and sound argument?
    *
    Do you know what the difference between an inference and a deduction is?
    *
    Do you know what a formal fallacy is versus an informal fallacy?
    *
    Do you know what equivocation is?
    *
    Vicky<2, if you would learn about these things and apply them to your arguments you might gain some ground. However, to date, you haven't. Thus, you are an idiot.
    *
    I don't insult your intelligence unless you refuse to face the facts and use good arguments. I especially like it when you break down into vulgarities, threats, and emotional outbursts advocating violence and hate. That's when I find you to be the most pitiable…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    I need to prove that Beck won’t accept Jones’ offer to debate…because your memory is shot?

    I don’t need to prove that you write like a pissed off child: that’s self-evident.

  • Anonymous

    It’s confirmed Vicky<2, you are an idiot and you never provide proof…

  • Bill Tilghman

     The only thing you prove by coming here is you are a twit, a witless twit, and always will be.

    Beck was under no obligation to debate Van Jones at any time, that is an invention of your infantile mind, Victor.

    Disqus is not a debate forum? Seriously? What the hell do you think the damned name means? You are just showing your ass now. Why don’t you go back to all the left wing sites where you have some dim bulbs who will agree with your ridiculous assertions and assumptions instead of showing the world what an insane narcissist authoritarian you have become? Because you have managed to write some papers and pass some exams a liberal farts college grants you a couple of degrees and we are all supposed to bow down before that mantle of wisdom you keep wearing around here like some threadbare flannel robe? I don’t think so.

    Most of your writing is atrocious, and riddled with inaccuracies, disinformation, lies, innuendo and the entire liberal talking points dialog. Sorry to disappoint you Victor, but you aren’t impressing anyone here with your worn out ploys. Not only are you ignorant but you are quite possibly deranged on top of that.

    You just keep on sticking your nose up in the air, parading around in the altogether like the Emperor in that famous fable, and we will keep laughing at you and your silly and misguided mission to destroy Glenn Beck.

    Carl Rogers is a twit, Van Jones is a twit, and you are a twit. It’s as simple as that.

  • Bill Tilghman

     Okay, The United States Military Academy, West Point, NY.
    You get it all arranged and I will be there personally to rip your fanciful and idiot rants to shreds. I can see it now, You on the left side of the stage, me on the right side, and 2,000 cadets in the audience.

    Get it set up or prove once and for all you are the biggest idiot on the web.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Keep on proving what a jackass you really are, Victor. You do it every time you go nuts like this here on this site.

  • Anonymous

    That roaring sound you hear is the sound of applause, cheers and stamping of feet in acknowledging your comment on this discussion forum. Good job, Bill!

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention coward if he doesn’t set it up! I’ll sell tickets for this!

  • SoThere

    I’ll pay to see it. Send me and OitacilPudnoc tickets.

    LOL

  • Bill Tilghman

    He won’t do a damned thing, he is too afraid to admit he just got caught in his own trap, and I called his bluff. The offer still stands, but I am confident he will not do anything to make that debate happen.

    All blow and no go – that’s Victor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    …wrote the snarling jackal.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Vicky<2, you just don't see how transparent you appear when you call the kettle black…

    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Whines the fierce Chihuahua…

    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Wrote the fiesty feline va-jay-jay!

  • Anonymous

    He, Oblowme and Van-JJ. What a 3-some!

  • Anonymous

    Waiting on VikTOR to set it up. Can you bring drinks and get OitacilPudnoc to bring the popcorn? As soon as I get a date, we’re on!!! [tapping foot, impatiently]

  • Anonymous

    Not just transparent, but miniscule… beyond perception….

  • Anonymous

    It’s a reflection of how poorly his perception of the outer world is…

  • Bill Tilghman

    Well if it isn’t Mister T! You really aren’t going through with that idle threat to set up a debate at West Point, are you? You get it scheduled soon, I don’t have time to waste on buffoons like you. You were hoping to draw someone into liberal academia with that weren’t you? Too bad for you, all you did was accentuate the cowardice you have been displaying since day one of your presence.

    Vanity Fair – how descriptive of you. Your hypocrisy is really evident here – name calling is so “you”.

    Only your super massive ego would make such a statement intent on intimidation, but the problem you have is you don’t intimidate anyone, you are merely able to irritate. Your estimation of your power and persuasion goes far beyond the truth of the matter.

    If you need West Point’s telephone number, you can look it up here:

    http://www.usma.edu/publicaffairs/

    You’d better get cracking – there isn’t a lot of time left this semester.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Who said a deck of cards doesn’t have three jokers?

  • Bill Tilghman

     …Replied the sniveling coward…

    Victor, you really should invest in a bib to save your shirts from all that saliva.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    No one will accuse you of acting maturely…ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Right: I’m not going to provide you with my CV, but it renders your assertion nothing more than the reactionary insult it is.

    You can’t defend Beck, so you take to low road and insult his critic.   Let me know if you ever grow up, because meanwhile you convey just how extremely sleazy and immature Beck’s followers are.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    In the real world, transparency is a good thing.

    In Beck’s upside world, it’s bad.  Up is down; good is bad; progress is a “cancer” in Beck’s deceitful snow job to the ignorant and the red meat loving reactionaries.

  • Bill Tilghman

    No one will accuse you of behaving sanely… ever.

    Did you get that debate booked at USMA yet?

  • Bill Tilghman

    No one here has to defend Beck, but you on the other hand have to defend your proclivity to attack, smear, lie and generate liberal propaganda here.

    So how about it, are you ever going to come up with one indisputable particle of evidence to support your crack-pot statements and falsehoods? Pitiful and insulting is more your style than Benny’s.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Got any proof of that statement, or are you merely blowing steam at us? Sorry but the standard is you make an accusation only if you can back it up with incontrovertible proof, either evidence or testimony. Otherwise what you are doing should be deemed worthy only of being disregarded and ignored – sort of like you.

  • Anonymous

    You’re dumb Vicky<2. Just plain dumb…

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Vicky<2, you just don't get it… You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Aw, Vicky<2, you just don't get the concept… You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Victor,
    Come back when you can write something meaningful and that contains all the words required to be a complete thought. You are missing a word.

    Still waiting on your to explain how you could only get two people to come support your protest of BoA?

  • Anonymous

    Unlike Victor Scott Tiffany, Glenn Beck can defend himself.

  • Anonymous

    Nor will they you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Actually, Benny, the racist, Hill, liar and character assassin, you don’t know the meaning of transparent. 

    But hey, you’re a Beckerhead; and that’s all that counts.  If you can listen to Beck and not hear lies, false claims, frequent hypocrisies and a paranoid personality disorder, then you deserve the mocking that will come your way when you announce yourself as a defender of this yellow propagandist. As a cowardly sock-puppet, you can just be a hole and no one you know in real life will the the wiser to your embarrassing alliance with this strange man.Smart conservatives know better, and they include David Frum among many others like Bill Kristol. Beck and his supporters are not of this world, and that became clear enough to Ailes. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s apparent you still don’t get it…
    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Victor,
    Stop projecting. It was you that assassinated your own character via your own actions.

  • Anonymous

    I stopped by to see if you had responded to me since my last. I reread this post of yours. I am surprised you actually let this kind of garbage get out without proof-reading. You are the most idiotic commentator on this forum. I suggest you go back and reread your message. Once you do I am sure you will want to edit it for correction and content.

    You are such an idiot!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    You get mocked for name calling, and your response is to call me a “buffoon.”  A supporter of Beck calling anyone a buffoon is throwing rocks in front of your glass house…again.  Of course, you’re way too self-righteous to grasp that simple understanding. Beck lies; he is a propagandist fooling uninformed people.  You’re in no position to throw stones.

    I never mentioned West Point.  Is that where Benny attends college?  I doubt it since he claims to be a veteran. 

    Next time, read then comment. You won’t come across like such a fool:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/05/glenn-beck-key-to-gop-election-hopes# 

  • Anonymous

    Victor,
    Your hypocrisy is showing again.
    You have called Benny__Hill a racist, falsely.
    You have called Momwithfivekids a pig.

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, you're an idiot!!!

  • Bill Tilghman

    You said any university, I took you at your word, so either you are a bald faced liar, or you are too afraid of what I might do to you in a debate at a non-liberal venue.

    You always come across like a fool, just like you are doing now. Calling you a buffoon is not name calling, it is a statement of factual reality. That is something you have to reconcile within yourself. So do you want to continue to be a buffoon or not? That decision is yours to make.

    And I never claimed to support Beck, I just oppose you and what you and people like you are trying to do to this country.

    Clear enough for you?

  • Bill Tilghman

    “the highly educated Jones”, “the highly educated Rogers”…

    If that education were worth a damn they both would not be marxists. Marxism never worked, communism never lasts and is a proven failure, as are most forms of political theory that involve totalitarian rule over the people. Where there is no personal liberty, government fails. Oppressing the people is what liberal progressivism is all about, and it is a failed system as well.

    “An Pussy is sexist, but continue with your twisted understanding that it means cat.”

    Even you cannot be that stupid. In the context of the comment he posted, that is a colloquialism for one who lacks fortitude, and there is no sexist element in that. You let your emotions get the better of you and show just how un-manly you are. If that upsets you, then you have many more problems than can be dealt with here. Perhaps you should consider a long term treatment plan with a well staffed psychiatric hospital instead of coming here and making yourself a total jackass.

    You need a lot of time to repair the damage done to your mind by all that liberal kool aid and animal crackers they fed you in school. Frankly, it appears you are ruled by emotion and don’t know anything about how real life in the real world works.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    First, neither are Marxists.  Beck is wrong; progressives are not Marxist unless you’re stupid enough to believe that Pres. T. Roosevelt was a “Marxist.”  I know that is what Beck would have you believe, but in the real world, it’s well understood that Beck is a liar and a propagandist who routinely deceives his gullible and ignorant followers. People who are not gullible and ignorant stop watching Beck.

  • Anonymous

    Jones is a COMMUNIST, thus a MARXIST moron.
    Karl Rogers is Co-Founder of the John Dewey Center for Democracy in Education, Dewey is famous for the Dewey Commission that claims to have cleared Leon Trotsky of the charges against him by Stalin, both of which are Marxists.

    Nope, no connection to Marxists from either of them. What an idiot.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Face it – you are an idiot.

    I never intimated that TR was a Marxist. You made that crap up all by your lonesome. You can play this twisting game all you want to, but at the end of the day, everyone will know you are a liar, and so will you – even with the huge amount of denial you carry with you everywhere.

    I never said I watch Beck or that I watched him in the past. Once again you prove you can’t be reasoned with or accept fact.

  • Anonymous

    You are right, you only declared that Van Jones was a Marxist. Not a hard point to prove from some one that gave an interview that included the following:

    “I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.” In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”

    Victor does understand that being a Communist makes you a Marxist?

    Or how about Professor Karl Rogers explaining Marxism as the idea that those who are more talented but others have more wealth than them as a way to fix the problem. Or that Rogers is the Co-Founder of the John Dewey Center for Democracy in Education. John Dewey was the one that tried to prove that Trotsky was innocent of the charges laid against him by Stalin. Trotsky was a Fellow Marxist. Yet on the morons own blog on the preface for the Professors book, he only tries to make it seem that Beck is trying to blame everything on some Marxist conspiracy. Why would Dr. Rogers need to mention Marxist six times in the preface to a book about a non-Marxist?

    Victor apparently seems to forget that facts backfire on you.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Yes he does, excellent post!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Beck equates progressivism with Marxism; I’m not making anything up.  You don’t have to say or write that you watch Beck; you clearly support him and hate his detractor.

    If you don’t support him; what are you doing here attacking me?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    You don’t know the difference between is and was, so you have gall to call me an idiot. You, who used the phrase “debunk the truth,” have gall to call anyone an “idiot,” but I’m not surprised.  It’s the best we see from Beck’s followers. You can’t win arguments against better informed, more ethically clean people, so you use insults and delude yourself to believe that you’re “winning” the argument. 

    You don’t care that Beck lies to you; you still support him. Todd, you’re a pathetic, sad man with no self-awareness and a lot of arrogance to support your ignorance. I guess in that regard, you’re pretty typical of someone who can defend a liar, a hypocrite and a sleazy propagandist like your hero, Glenn Beck, America’s very own Joseph Goebbels. 

  • Anonymous

    And you choose to ignore the current evidence Vicky<2…
    And, as usual, you are an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Vicky<2, when are you going to realize that Beck doesn't love you like you love him…
    You are an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. Where has Jones said he is no longer a Communist? That would make him WAS moron.

    VAN JONES: This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don’t stop there! Don’t stop there! We’re gonna change the whole system! We’re gonna change the whole thing. We’re not gonna put a new battery in a broken system. We want a new system. We want a new system!

    Not there apparently.

    JONES: If all we do is take out the dirty power system, the dirty power generation in a system, and just replace it with some clean stuff, put a solar panel on top of this system. When we don’t deal with how we are consuming water. We don’t deal with how we’re treating our other sister and brother species. We don’t deal with toxins. We don’t deal with the way we treat each other. If that’s not a part of this movement, let me tell you what you’ll have: You’ll have solar-powered bulldozers, solar-powered buzz saws, and biofuel bombers, and we’ll be fighting wars over lithium for the batteries instead of oil for the engines and we’ll still have a dead planet. This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don’t stop there! Don’t stop there! We’re gonna change the whole system! We’re gonna change the whole thing!

    Not there.

    JONES: And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn’t want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.

    Not there either.

    What you got for me now Victor Bernays? You don’t care that YOU LIE, Victor. How do I support Beck again? With a GBTV account that I do not have? Keep the lies coming Victor Bernays.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Vicky<2, is it that hard for you to understand that one need not necessarily endorse a particular thing, philosophy, or movement, etc, to point out when someone is wrong about a fact. And you claim that you are so smart…
    My God man, you are dumber than a sack of hammers!!!

  • Bill Tilghman

    I never said or inferred that I support Beck – you made that accusation on your own without any factual support. Opposing you and your hate campaign does not equate to supporting Beck, I simply despise narcissists who think they can berate everything and everyone who represents the opposite of their own views.

    You never have anything positive or even benign to say about Beck – on the few occasions when you have said something not completely denigrating to him, you use it as a springboard to attack someone else.

    Your pattern of behavior here is very well known, and you know as well as I do you are only here to promote your vendetta. You admit on your blog you have poor control of your emotions when you described yourself as screaming at the television while watching Beck. Only people with issues behave that way.

    I have said this to you before, and I will say it again;
    As long as you come here to sow your seeds of discord, as long as you come here and accuse people of utter stupidity, as long as you come here and act like a big fat jerk with and even bigger ego and an axe to grind, I will be here to remind you that the universe does not operate to the specifications of Victor Tiffany.

    You have gotten away with being a bully here much too long, and I intend to give you as hard a time as I can until you either stop coming here or start behaving like a responsible adult.

    Are you educated enough to understand the concept of that? Experience says you are not, but now that I have spelled it out for you, the ball is, as they say, in your court.

    Don’t test me and expect me to tolerate you – it isn’t going to happen.

  • Bill Tilghman

    All of that is merely the rantings of your lunacy. You are a man on a mission, and a pathetically sad one at that. You have pledged yourself to a vendetta against Glenn Beck, and everything conservative. Bully for you. So far your efforts have resulted in abject failure – this site is still here despite your wasted effort to bring it down.

    What’s it like to be a complete failure at your life’s goal? You have yet to win an argument against the sane people here who know you as a left wing crack pot fool, and that’s gotta hurt. Every person you argue with here gets the better of you and I can tell by the way you keep coming back for another helping of being owned that you are no longer in this for the thrill of victory – you come back here because you like being beaten like a drum. You are very masochistic, you must like the pain of being shut down and drubbed in every conflict you initiate. Victor, you have become the ultimate whipping boy and you thrive on it.

    What a failure you are. I am not saying that to denigrate you, I am merely stating a fact. You are a psychologically unstable individual who desperately needs treatment, but your denial is so tremendously large that you can’t see around it to look in the mirror and observe what you have become.

    Face it, we can’t all be wrong, and you can’t possibly be right. Your views are that of a person half your age, and those half your age can’t help but realize how pathetic you are trying to ride the coat tails of youth. What purpose does that serve? Where is the real Victor? You are a power hungry man who has never been accepted to be the leader you envision yourself to be. Want to know why you have not been afforded any position of esteem that you so desperately crave?

    It is because you are not worthy of such elevation; you lack compassion, you lack insight, you lack vision, you lack willingness to accept personal responsibility, you lack any kind of leadership ability, but mostly you lack the ability to succeed. A real leader is one who can deliver success, and in that arena you have failed miserably, multiple times. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Benny, the racist, Hill: still projecting I see.

    Someday, you’ll stop embarrassing yourself.  Oh, that’s right; you’re a sock puppet, incapable of shame or embarrassment.

    You don’t support Beck either, you have falsely claimed, but you’re right here every time I comment attacking me with your childish manner.

    Tsk, tsk, little child; it’s not too late to grow up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Writing of projection: Todd, Jones wrote a book on  green market economics.  Market, Todd, the market.  THAT makes him no longer a Communist, but don’t let logic get in your way. You never do.

    We do need to change the whole fossil fuel system.  We will have to do that to survive.  Sorry if you are too far in denial to accept that, but understanding this about the climate and our carbon based economy does not make one communist; it makes one scientific.

    You keep claiming that I “lie,” but that in itself is a lie, Todd, and I suspect you know this even though you refuse to admit it.

    You don’t care about lies: Beck lies a lot, but you still defend him.  This is what makes you such a consistent joke: your double standards are laughable.

    How do you support Beck?  Same way as always, Todd, by assassinating the character of Beck’s critic. I don’t lie. I don’t have to lie; it’s easy to debunk Beck’s lies.  I don’t have to deceive anyone about his manipulation of gullible viewers or his systematic deceptions. You support Beck by defending him, even when you admit that he’s a liar as you have regarding his lie about writing one of his truth slogans.  Who lies about a truth slogan?  That didn’t bother you, but it’s symbolic of just how much difficulty Beck has with telling the truth.

    I have you pegged Todd: you’re a hypocrite and a bit of a boob with your phrase, “debunking the truth.”   D’oh!

    http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2012/03/one-reason-becks-followers-cannot.html 

    Got you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    ??? 

    My god you’re pathetic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    You call me a woman’s name and I “ignore evidence?”

    Hypocrisy much there Benny, the racist?

    Don’t fret, little boy; you’re a Beckerhead. Our expectations of you are extremely low and you never exceed them.

  • Anonymous

    You’re the one with the crush Vicky<2…
    Face it, Beck doesn't know who you are…
    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    And how is that relevant, Vicky<2?
    What I call you has no bearing on the fact that you ignore the idea that Van Jones is a communist…
    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    So, the idea that one not need endorse or embrace an idea, political philosophy, or any other concept has never occurred to you I take it.
    How many times have I told you why I respond to you comments? A dozen, two dozen, three dozen? I don’t really know off the top of my head, but I am willing to guess it’s probably over a hundred times. You’ve failed to pay attention to the evidence in this area as well.
    Vicky<2, you're a mess, you're like a soup sandwich.
    But you keep on keeping on there little buddy!!!
    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Still failing to connect all the dots Vicky<2…
    Let's see, how can I embarrass you the most?
    *
    According to your logic, Kegley is a terrorist since he wrote a book about it, right?
    http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Global-Terrorism-Characteristics/dp/0130494135/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335324544&sr=1-1
    *
    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a detective since he wrote Sherlock Holmes, right?
    http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Sherlock-Holmes-Arthur-Conan/dp/161293028X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335325085&sr=1-1
    *
    Ian Fleming was a spy since he wrote 007, right?
    http://www.amazon.com/Casino-Royale-James-Novel-Novels/dp/014200202X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335325051&sr=1-1
    *
    Vicky<2, you are just too stupid for anyone to believe anything you write!!!
    *
    Here's a freebie!!!
    H.G.Wells is a time traveler since he wrote The Time Machine, right?
    *
    And remember, Machiavelli wasn't a prince even though he wrote a book called the Prince…

  • Anonymous

    What evidence? You personal blog is not evidence.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, it’s evidence. Just not the kind of evidence Vicky<2 thinks it is…

  • Anonymous

    Victor,
    The USSR had a MARKET too, Cuba has a MARKET, China has a MARKET!!! Fool, there is nothing there to disprove that he is a Communist. There is actually more there to PROVE he is a COMMUNIST, but then you are an idiot. A Green Market economy is based on SOCIAL JUSTICE. One where everyone in a Society is equal, kind of like COMMUNISM.

    What are we going to replace the Fossil Fuel System? You do realize that Fossil Fuels come from Green things right? Solar? Wind Turbines? Waste-to-Energy? All three of those Technologies account for less than 3.6% of Electricity production. Solar cells have been around since 1839, you really need more time to make them more efficient? Wind Turbines have been used to produce electricity since 1887, you really need more time to make it efficient? Edison did not build the first Coal powered electrical generation station until 1889. Coal accounts for 44.9% of the power generation? Why becasue it is efficient.

    No, Victor you are a CONFIRMED HABITUAL LIAR!!!! We have more records of your lies than there are posts on your blog.

    You got nothing fool. I need your attorneys address. I already have yours.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Victor Tiffany is a troll of this site, the king of trolls. 

    That being said, Victor, when are you going to schedule that debate at West Point? I am ready anytime, but you need to get off your haunches and contact them. I checked and they have not heard from you yet. You made the statement you would debate anytime at any university, and in throwing the gauntlet down made this about your honor as a man. Are we to understand that you are now retreating from that challenge? You’ve been given multiple opportunities to put your words into action, yet we see nothing from you in actual results. You appear to be quite the coward, all mouth and no action. Well, Victor, people of integrity stand by their words, and don’t spread them carelessly like the manure you fling here. This is a day for actions to speak louder than words, so man-up Victor, prove to me and the rest of the good people here you are more than just a loud and foul mouthed troll with a grudge against the host of this site.

    I think you have had ample time to prepare yourself, so this is the deadline. You either respond by scheduling the event, or you prove once and for all what a narcissist wind-bag you really are.

    The whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching…

    Tick – tock, Victor, tick – tock.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Your ignorance is overwhelming.  A troll is not someone who writes things that you do not like or agree with.  You are still doing nothing more than name calling, and that only reflects on the propagandist you seem to adore.  He attracts childish, ignorant people him like flies to s$%t. 

    I’m not going to schedule any event with you. I want to debate Benny the racist, not you and here’s why:  ”Never Argue With A Fool – They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!”

    I have way too much to do right now to be bothered to argue with anyone foolish enough to defend or support a “crazy” propagandist so extreme even Fox didn’t want him sticking around or any name-calling person who has to hide behind a sock-puppet’s name, a long-dead Marshal.  

    Grow up “Bill,” and tell me your real name.  You’ve already proven that you have not a clue about psychology. Or politics. Or culture.  Or reality.

  • Bill Tilghman

    You write things that disagree with reality.

    Victor, you truly are an idiot of the highest caliber.

  • Anonymous

    Wow Vicky<2, I quoted that about you almost two years ago…
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    If you want to debate, just start making cogent and valid arguments…
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    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Magnum Idiot!

  • Anonymous

    From your favirite source: “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory (√),[2] extraneous (√), or off-topic messages in an online community(√), such as an online discussion forum (√), chat room (√), or blog (√), with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response( √)[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion (√).[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: “That was an excellent troll you posted.”

    While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe “a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families.”[5][6]

    How do you not fit the definition again?

  • Anonymous

    The check marks are a nice touch…

  • Bill Tilghman

    Oh yeah, he is a magnum load of idiocy, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    Projecting again, VikTOR? Name calling again, VikTOR?

    You have the propaganda play book down pat. You are so transparent, just like your butt buddies VanJJ and Oblowhard.

    I swear, I’m gone a week and nothing has changed. VikTOR, you’re still an idiot! 

  • Anonymous

    You are, too, VikTOR!

  • Anonymous

    To VikTor: you wrote:

    “In the real world, transparency is a good thing.
    In Beck’s upside world, it’s bad. Up is down; good is bad; progress is a “cancer” in Beck’s deceitful snow job to the ignorant and the red meat loving reactionaries.”

    The “up is down, good is bad, etc” is straight out of the Alinsky playbook used consistently and quoted often by Van Jones and his buddies in the Oblowhard administration. This is more proof that they are Marxists, that you are a propagandist in attributing comments of one to someone you disdain in order to assassinate his character. You are projecting and showing your true colors as a sniveling little weasel.  

    You call  yourself a critic? You bitch and moan and groan that you are maligned and falsely accused. Grow up, little boy. Show some ‘brass’ and be accountable for your lies and slander.   You call someone out, and when they answer, you tuck your scrawny tail between your legs and feign ignorance. Keep fooling yourself into believing that what you say and do is relevant. You have written more here to malign your own character than the rest of us combined. You’re just too stuck on stupid to see it!

    You’re an idiot, a low-functioning imbecile. And Van Jones is, and will always be, a communist.

  • Sandie

    Victor,  I hardly have time for your silly nonsense, but I couldn’t pass this one up – too easy.  Just because Van Jones realizes that he needs to use the Market as a means to an end does not make him a capitalist….  (the ends justify the means – the radical Alinsky etal Soc/Marx/Commie way).

    Van Jones own words….. “I’ll work with anybody, I’ll fight anybody if it will push our issues forward…. I’m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends.”‘

    ……and…..
     
    “I realized that there are a lot of people who are capitalists — shudder, shudder — who are really committed to fairly significant change in the economy, and were having bigger impacts than me and a lot of my friends with our protest signs.”

    Jones’ new approach was modeled on the tactics outlined by the famed radical organizer Saul Alinsky, who stressed the need for revolutionaries to mask the extremism of their objectives and to present themselves as moderates until they could gain some control over the machinery of political power. In a 2005 interview, Jones stated that he still considered himself a revolutionary, but a more effective one thanks to his revised tactics.

    In late February 2009, Jones spoke at a Washington, DC event called Power Shift ’09,  on climate change where he advocated what WorldNetDaily reporter Aaron Klein said  “can easily be interpreted as a communist or socialist agenda.”  Van Jones emphasized that “a clean energy revolution” would merely be the first step toward wholesale societal transformation: “We gonna change the whole system! We gonna change the whole thing!”

    During a February 26, 2009 lecture on energy issues in Berkeley, California, Van Jones,  referring to the economic crisis in which the U.S. was mired at the time, sarcastically asked a questioner: “How’s that capitalism working for ya this year?”  [an obvious slam on  Capitalism by an anti-Capitalist].

    In April 2010, Jones said the following about the nature of the Obama administration: “You look at the New Party, [aka the Democratic Socialists of America] which is now the Working Families Party, the idea of a new politics – that you could actually in this country bring together labor and civil rights and feminists, etc., and actually make a difference … is the basic framework for what just took over the White House.” (now that’s another story …. about the Obama WH being what many have been saying – V.J. admits it – Obama is one of them)

    Need any more proof of his being a Socialist/Marxist/Commie? I’ll close with this.

    During a January 19, 2011 speaking engagement at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina, Jones said that “in a society where there’s social justice,” any particular individual would be perfectly willing to trade his or her life with that of any other randomly selected person, knowing “with total confidence” that he or she would “have a roughly equal chance to have a good life.”  (Now that’s the heart of it all right there – it is Van Jones mind – he hasn’t changed.) The wolf just put on the sheep’s clothing.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Stop projecting your character flaws onto me. Compared to you I rate summa cum laude when it comes to psychology, politics, culture and especially reality.

    My real name is Bill Tilghman. You want to make something of that?

    I am still waiting for you to arrange the debate you promised at West Point. Are you going to weasel on that just like you have on everything else you promise or threaten to do?

    It’s time to put up or shut up, Victor. Either you honor your word, or the world will know the legend of your cowardice – I will make it my business to see to that, Troll.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Van Jones is back.  Uhhhh, he never went anywhere.  It’s Beck’s who’s back, but not on TV. GBTV is really BGOnline, but hey, what’s a lie to gullible people?  (Ans: the “truth” if Glenn Beck says it.)

    Beck will never debate Van Jones because Jones would destroy Beck in 5 minutes.  Beck’s insistence that Jones “is” a communist rather than “was” a communist is Beck’s biggest lie about Jones, but Beck’s sycophantic followers can’t seem to grasp the vital importance.

    Beck is a raging drunk.  That is a lie of course, and it is the same as saying that Van Jones is a communist.

    Beck and his crew make moderate leftists (progressives) “radical” and his gullible, ignorant followers buy the lies.  This isn’t off topic, I’m reading right from what I see on this page.

    Bill Tilghman is distracting the gullible, ignorant people by attacking me, by making this about me. It’s a pathetic but successful technique reactionary followers of the Cult of Beck use to make sure that Beck is not revealed for what he is: America’s very own Joseph Goebbels.

    Luckily, only a tiny fraction of far, far, far, far, far right reactionaries give Beck any credit for being anything BUT a deceitful, hypocritical, yellow, reactionary propagandist exploiting the gullible’s willingness to pay money for the snake oil Beck sells.

    Now watch the attack dogs (see below) try to make this about me instead of the liar, hypocrite and coward (afraid to debate ANY progressive), Glenn Beck.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Wow! You accused me of attacking you? Here you are attempting yet again to smear Beck with your narcissism fueled raging vendetta, and you accuse me of attacking you? That is absolutely the most self centered accusation you have made on this thread.

    You are more like Goebbels than Beck is. In fact you make up the most outrageous lies about him and while you are lying you make up even more lies. You are the liar’s liar, a truly proficient liar.

    I am not making this about you, you are with this victim role you like to wear like a tatty old bath robe. What a big fat liar you are!

    Beck doesn’t need you or Van Jones but you go ahead and waste your time. Only an insane person tries the same thing over and over and expects it to work differently than the last time. You are that person.

    Talk about gullible – you believe your own idiotic lies. There is no reason to link your name to truth because you have no relationship with it in the first place.

     ”Beck is a raging drunk.  That is a lie of course, and it is the same as saying that Van Jones is a communist.”

    More lies from you.  Van Jones is a communist, and he freely admits it. He is even proud to say it. The joke is on you for not believing it.

    How much more of a big fat liar and idiot can you become? You are a hypocrite and liar, and this post is a perfect example of your idiotic and foolish quest. Somehow in your little reptile brain you have gotten it twisted up that Glenn Beck is your enemy, and you must at all costs make this known. You have accomplished your mission, mad man, so now you can take your leave of this site.

    Debate me if you dare. You made the challenge to debate at ANY university ANYWHERE. I chose West Point, so when is it going to happen? For once in your life prove you are other than a lying coward. Get the debate scheduled. Do it now.

    You have already shown us you can’t be expected to be a real man and stop all your lies. Now I am making this challenge to you – Schedule the debate at West Point, or verify what a yellow coward you really are.

    What a disgusting waste you are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    I’m going to debate a pissed off 10 year old?  I don’t think so.  Let me know when you start posting comments like an adult.  I won’t hold my breath.

    Whenever you want to convey your name and your college (if that’s not just another one of your lies), I will organize a debate there between us. Until then, I repeat myself: GROW UP!

  • Sandie

    Vic is a coward and will give any excuse not to debate in person in public. His attempts to wiggle out of it are laughable and we all can see it and get a good chuckle. He will always hide behind his keyboard becausae he is a loser and a coward. He knows down deep that he can’t compete with you or Benny in a public debate scenario and he doesn’t want to lose face when he gets his butt kicked…. LMAO

  • Sandie

    Victor, The only attack dog here is you – attacking Beck and the people who post on his site who disagree with you, call out your lies and hatred, who you don’t like and therefore attack.

    Your lies about Van Jones are part of a cognitive dissonance problem you have and you can’t admit when you are wrong, which is often because you repeat the same ol crap often.

    Just because Van Jones realizes that he needs to use the Market as a means to an end does not make him a Capitalist…. (the ends justify the means – the radical Alinsky etal Soc/Marx/Commie way).

    Van Jones own words….. “I’ll work with anybody, I’ll fight anybody if it will push our issues forward…. I’m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends.”‘

    ……and…..

    “I realized that there are a lot of people who are capitalists — shudder, shudder — who are really committed to fairly significant change in the economy, and were having bigger impacts than me and a lot of my friends with our protest signs.”

    Jones’ new approach was modeled on the tactics outlined by the famed radical organizer Saul Alinsky, who stressed the need for revolutionaries to mask the extremism of their objectives and to present themselves as moderates until they could gain some control over the machinery of political power. In a 2005 interview, Jones stated that he still considered himself a revolutionary, but a more effective one thanks to his revised tactics.

    In late February 2009, Jones spoke at a Washington, DC event called Power Shift ’09, on climate change where he advocated what WorldNetDaily reporter Aaron Klein said “can easily be interpreted as a communist or socialist agenda.” Van Jones emphasized that “a clean energy revolution” would merely be the first step toward wholesale societal transformation: “We gonna change the whole system! We gonna change the whole thing!”

    During a February 26, 2009 lecture on energy issues in Berkeley, California, Van Jones, referring to the economic crisis in which the U.S. was mired at the time, sarcastically asked a questioner: “How’s that capitalism working for ya this year?” [an obvious slam on Capitalism by an anti-Capitalist].

    In April 2010, Jones said the following about the nature of the Obama administration: “You look at the New Party, [aka the Democratic Socialists of America] which is now the Working Families Party, the idea of a new politics — that you could actually in this country bring together labor and civil rights and feminists, etc., and actually make a difference … is the basic framework for what just took over the White House.” (now that’s another story …. about the Obama WH being what many have been saying – V.J. admits it – Obama is one of them)

    Need any more proof of his being a Socialist/Marxist/Commie? I’ll close with this.

    During a January 19, 2011 speaking engagement at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina, Jones said that “in a society where there’s social justice,” any particular individual would be perfectly willing to trade his or her life with that of any other randomly selected person, knowing “with total confidence” that he or she would “have a roughly equal chance to have a good life.” (Now that’s the heart of it all right there – it is Van Jones mind – he hasn’t changed.) The wolf just put on sheep’s clothing. You Vic, are just to stubborn or ignorant to admit it.

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, you are such an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    Vicky<2, you are ignoring all the actions and statements Van Jones has made in support of communism.

    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Sandie

    I posted that proof twice to him so far and in his world of cognitive dissonance, he is blocking it out.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, me too. I did that same research about two years ago. He didn’t acknowledge it then either…

  • Sandie

    You couldn’t debate a pissed off 10 yr old, HTH are you going to debate someone like Benny? Your avoidance tactic is obvious, laughable and shows who/what you are…. lots of blow but the sail ain’t movin’ yer boat matey! …. LMAO

  • Sandie

    And he won’t because he can’t refute it…. it pokes his rant full of holes and with his cognitive dissonance he just can’t deal with it … close the eyes, cover the ears and chant , “NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA …”

  • Anonymous

    Why are you so afraid to get beaten by a ten year old?

  • Anonymous

    I have changed my avatar in Vicky<2's honor…

  • Bill Tilghman

    He would get his butt kicked even if the debate was held in private. As you said, he is a coward, and has no honor. That became apparent when he issued the challenge and has done nothing to facilitate it. He has already lost face, and he is even hiding from that.

    He’s like a hog nosed snake – he tries to look menacing at first when challenged, and when that fails, he rolls over and emits a foul stench of death to fool his opponent. Right now, he is merely stinking up the place.

  • Anonymous

    One of my alma maters! Surprising a Quaker school would have him there to speak!

  • Anonymous

    Guess he learned that from his one-time radio appearance when he was running for an office that his name wasn’t on the ballot for! The question and answer period during a public appearance–whether live or on radio–is a test by fire. When his fire was washed out, so was he. Probably afraid to repeat that experience.

  • Sandie

    His fire? LMAO … All he ever had was an insignificant puff of smoke. Or should I say he went up in a puff of smoke? LMAO

  • Sandie

    Good analogy – he reminds me of a mischievous kid – the neighborhood trouble maker who goes around ringing doorbells and then runs like hell before someone answers the door so he doesn’t get caught….LMAO

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    Years ago.  Was a communist, as in Beck WAS a drunk.

    You don’t know the difference between past and present, so you have no business accusing me of being an “idiot.”  

    Still writing comments like a pissed off 10 y/o I see.  That figures: we expect that from Beck’s followers, not the adults in the room.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany

    And here’s my proof that Beck is “mostly false” about Van Jones.

    Shove that in your cognitive dissonance!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-Tiffany/100001320367593 Victor Tiffany
  • Bill Tilghman

    He is and always will be a communist – like you are and always will be an idiot.

  • Bill Tilghman

    http://www.usma.edu/Dcomm/

    Call and schedule that debate. I’m waiting and ready to go.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Still an idiot, and a stubborn one at that.

    I called your bluff, and you don’t have a play. Time for you to fold and leave the game, or play the hand.

    http://www.usma.edu/Dcomm/

  • Bill Tilghman

    Lost enough face yet? Make the appointment

    http://www.usma.edu/Dcomm/

  • Bill Tilghman

    I would love to have heard that show! Anyone know where it can be heard?

  • Anonymous

    Some Ithica radio station might have it in their archives! Sandie may know. I remember her commenting on the ‘interview’. LOL Isn’t the video of his occupy moment enough comedy for lifetime?

  • Anonymous

    Wacca! Wacca! Wacca!

  • Anonymous

    Reminds me of an old Kenny Rogers song….

  • Anonymous

    It is an apparent fact that right now, as well as in the past, you have demonstrated that you are an idiot. However, I acknowledge that in the future that may not be the case.
    For now, as has been true since I have had the pleasure of seeing your comments, you are an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    It is an apparent fact that right now, as well as in the past, you have demonstrated that you are an idiot. However, I acknowledge that in the future that may not be the case.
    For now, as has been true since I have had the pleasure of seeing your comments, you are an idiot!!!

  • Anonymous

    1. The difference between past and present has nothing to do with you being an idiot. Except, you were probably born that way and you still are.

    2. Who is this “we” you speak of so frequently? Your multiple personalities, as in you, yourself and you…again?

    3. You are definitely not the adult in the room. You are the resident village idiot.

    By the way, alcoholics refer to themselves as alcoholics in the present tense, even if they are considered ‘recovering’. Jones can change his window dressing but he’s still a Marxist. That which we call a communist by any other name would still be RED.

  • Anonymous

    Now there’s a self evaluating statement if there ever was one, especially from one who can’t tell the difference between a lie and a mistake.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, Vicky<2, first of all, how classy of you to resort to using someone else's work to try and refute my argument. Second, did you read the article? Do you not see in it a) how subjective it is, and b) how there is no actual place where it shows how VJ actually condemns communism or claims he is not one? Would you like for me to site the hundreds of examples where Beck condemns his former lifestyle?
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    As quoted from within the article, "But Beck has repeatedly said Jones is a communist. Present tense. Although we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer one", an objective statement. But then, in the same sentence, "we found ample evidence that he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking", which is the subjective part.
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    Vicky<2, has it occurred to you that at the pragmatic level VJ supports capitalism but still is a communist ideologically? Or is that too hard of a concept for you to grasp?
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    I find it odd that you constantly refer to Beck as a drunk, despite his testimony against it and the lack of evidence he still drinks. Yet, you want to apply a different standard to VJ who doesn't condemn communism and only talks about the fact that corporations and businesses seem to be the only hope for developing the technology. Of course, he would never suggest that once those technologies were in place the government ought to take over their enterprises, would he?
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    You are such an idiot!!!

  • Bill Tilghman

    I just love it when he humiliates himself in public like that.

  • Sandie

    That is no proof and a very pathetic attempt. Save your time, Vic, you won’t find any real proof to support your ignorance on this issue.

    That site confirms his self avowed communism, but never really proves he has converted: “Although we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer one, we found ample evidence that he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” They are giving an opinion – drawing erroneous conclusions – speculation. Just because VJ realizes he must use the Market to attain his Soc/Marx/Commie goals does not mean he has disavowed communism and adopted Free Market or Capitalism in a true sense. He is using it as a temporary means to an end. His goals are still those of Soc/Marx/Commie. That has never changed, and that is what defines him.

    “….he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” Cut through your cognitive dissonance and try to comprehend. This quote shows he is still seeking the same social change and THAT clearly says (to anyone with at least an average IQ) that his goals (Soc/Marx/Commie) have not changed, only the method he will use to get there.

    So, you once again are all wrong, whether it is from your cognitive dissonance, pure ignorance, reading comprehension problems or whatever reason that you have for not being able to see the light or admit you are wrong. Those are your problems – deal.

  • Sandie

    Wow – you take garbage as proof and post it to me 3 times – like 3 times is supposed to convince me it is good stuff? LMAO… Here, Vic, maybe that is the only way you learn…

    Since you posted the same lame crap 3 times must I c/p
    That is no proof and a very pathetic attempt. Save your time, Vic, you won’t find any real proof to support your ignorance on this issue.

    That site confirms his self avowed communism, but never really proves he has converted: “Although we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer one, we found ample evidence that he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” They are giving an opinion – drawing erroneous conclusions – speculation. Just because VJ realizes he must use the Market to attain his Soc/Marx/Commie goals does not mean he has disavowed communism and adopted Free Market or Capitalism in a true sense. He is using it as a temporary means to an end. His goals are still those of Soc/Marx/Commie. That has never changed, and that is what defines him.

    “….he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” Cut through your cognitive dissonance and try to comprehend. This quote shows he is still seeking the same social change and THAT clearly says (to anyone with at least an average IQ) that his goals (Soc/Marx/Commie) have not changed, only the method he will use to get there.

    So, you once again are all wrong, whether it is from your cognitive dissonance, pure ignorance, reading comprehension problems or whatever reason that you have for not being able to see the light or admit you are wrong. Those are your problems – deal.

  • Sandie

    And once again… please try a little harder, Vic. You are getting an “F” for effort as well as for content, logic and comprehension.

    Wow – you take garbage as proof and post it to me 3 times – like 3 times is supposed to convince me it is good stuff? LMAO… Here, Vic, maybe that is the only way you learn…

    That is no proof and a very pathetic attempt. Save your time, Vic, you won’t find any real proof to support your ignorance on this issue.

    That site confirms his self avowed communism, but never really proves he has converted: “Although we could not find a comment in which Jones explicitly said why he is no longer one, we found ample evidence that he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” They are giving an opinion – drawing erroneous conclusions – speculation. Just because VJ realizes he must use the Market to attain his Soc/Marx/Commie goals does not mean he has disavowed communism and adopted Free Market or Capitalism in a true sense. He is using it as a temporary means to an end. His goals are still those of Soc/Marx/Commie. That has never changed, and that is what defines him.

    “….he now believes capitalism is the best force for the social change he is seeking.” Cut through your cognitive dissonance and try to comprehend. This quote shows he is still seeking the same social change and THAT clearly says (to anyone with at least an average IQ) that his goals (Soc/Marx/Commie) have not changed, only the method he will use to get there.

    So, you once again are all wrong, whether it is from your cognitive dissonance, pure ignorance, reading comprehension problems or whatever reason that you have for not being able to see the light or admit you are wrong. Those are your problems – deal.

    Work on your reading comprehension and logic, and try to keep an open mind.

  • Sandie

    Communism is Van Jones goal. Drunk is not Becks goal.

  • Sandie

    You don’t let facts confuse you though, huh Vic. With blinders on you insist on charging full steam ahead up that one way street into oncoming traffic, but insist that you have the right of way.,,, LMAO how pathetic

  • Sandie

    I’ll bring the band-aids – Vic is going to need plenty.

  • Sandie

    Vic’s idol is Carl Rogers. He probably thinks he is self actualizing … hehehehe he fails to see WHAT he is actualizing as though! LMAO

  • Sandie

    hoooo-hummmm, some things never change.

  • Anonymous

    I thought it was Karl Rogers…the guy who wrote the book dissing Beck that VikTOR clings to like his Bible and guns. VikTOR couldn’t self-actualize himself out of a paper bag.

  • Anonymous

    I thought Viktor Frankl that was the self-actualizer…

  • Sandie

    Yes Karl rather than Carl, who would have a field day with nutzo.

  • Sandie

    He is one, but Vic is lost in the nuthouse in his head and can’t get anywhere. His mindset is “I think it is therefore it is” (apologies to Rene).

  • Bill Tilghman

    Don’t forget the smelling salts… I expect he will pull that hog-nosed snake routine of his a couple of times. He’ll start out all puffed up, and when that doesn’t work he will roll over and play dead – oh, and that smell… Better bring some pine scented cleaner too.

  • Anonymous

    VikTOR shuns therapy and analysis, like he does truth and facts. He wouldn’t know Carl Rogers from reality.

  • Sandie

    In my neck of the woods we dig a big hole, put the smelly thing in it and cover it with dirt.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Works for me! The sooner the better.

  • Sandie

    Good! I’ll go get all the cats.