Mr Savage is showing the truth of his own hypocrisy; he shows the uttermost depravity of his methods and ideology across the board, and his intolerance for those who may dare to hold an opinion seperate from his own.

Hypocrisy.

Dan Savage apparently has been very wounded by Christians in the past, or maybe it’s his conscience… if he has one.  We must endeavor to try to love and pray for people like this.  He should absolutely be removed from the position of speaking for ANY “anti-bullying organization” until someone is able to help him work through his past hurts.  By the way, the good Lord could do that, if he let Him help him. 

Jesus loves Dan Savage. Dan is not bullying anybody, but telling the truth about how the Bible is being distorted to hurt people. Jesus would be ashamed at the way Christians organizations distort the bible to humiliate people.

This guy doesn’t understand Christianity. Jesus said this would happen to us and it will get worse because we follow him. Yes the Bible does teach these things about homosexuality that does rip at people like him and sometimes I think we Christian took it to far. Yes the Bible says it is a sin but if they don’t want to be Christian then we should not push the matter on them it is their choice as we have a choice to follow God or not. That being said yes this guy should resign for acting like a bully at an anti-bully conference. Those teenagers walking out on him are heroes for Christ because not only did they took a stand when this bully was going on his rant and now their peers know who they are and most likely be hounded for their rest of their time in high school pray for them. People like them are our only hope. Jesus told us this would happen prepare yourselves brothers and sisters.

How is the Bible being distorted to hurt people? Savage is attacking the Bible because it doesn’t agree with his worldview.  Tolerance hypocrisy is okay with gays, lesbians, pro aborts, liberation theologists, etc…  Anti Christian rhetoric should qualify as a hate crime in our PC world but it won’t be because it doesn’t support the leftist agenda. 
Don’t speak for Jesus, imitate Him!

The hypocrisy of the left do as I say not as I do.

But that what it says in the Bible who is distorting what. Yes Jesus would not want his father’s words to bash people over the head with it but he would not want his followers to lie about what is in the Bible. I say if they want to live that way then let them but I will not lie about the words of God yet I will not push it on someone who does not want to hear. As Jesus said if they refuse to listen then dust your sandals off and move on.

Kudos to the young men and women who walked away silently.  I think for the most part they were just simply offended and had to go somewhere else where someone wasn’t attacking their moral fibers for no apparent reason.  
Does anyone ever stop and think why the bible opposes homosexuality?  It’s because the foundation of trust and love is the family.  The mother and father provide for children of their own blood and genetic dispositions to nurture prosperity for everyone involved (the family unit as a whole).  When people who grow up in families like this see someone in need, they treat them with love and respect, because that is what family is all about.  
But the bible has a caveat, love and respect the gay people too.  Feed them if they are hungry. Work for them on saturday if they are your coworker and they have a funeral to go to. The bible has its own positions, but it respects the positions of those who oppose it. If you truly understand the bible you will truly understand that principle.

As a liberal Christian who supports gay rights I find Savage to be one of the most frustrating advocates for gay rights because of crap like this.  He’s not very good at making friends.

Well, atleast he’s true to his name. With opinions like these, he’s nothing more THAN a savage. 

Good luck to this neanderthal at his Judgement. 

Amen.  Christianity is about love, mercy and forgiveness, not forced conformity with violence or hate.  Relativism is a distortion of truth.  Charity towards others in opposition is difficult but must be strived for.  Love the sinner hate the sin.  Homosexuality is grave depravity according to the Bible.  Those with homosexual tendencies have a difficult cross bear through chastity.  Immorality is a temptation we all have to resist.  Christ shows us the way by obedience and sacrifice, not justification and self righteousness.  Yes, Christ loves all of us but hates our sins; they continue to stripe him painfully.   

In 
Matthew 19:12  Christ says; 
For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

When he references those born that way, he’s talking about modern day homosexuals. I can accept it, but not everyone can.

I think that you might need to change your name…you’re hardly the “real” voice of anything other than an enema. 

I think the real “panty-ass” (really mature and professional to launch into a profanity-laced tirade in front of students), is the bully at the microphone. 

Really brave guy name-calling to people’s backs. 

And what, pray tell, would be more appealing to you? Attempting to shout down like the idiot leftists do when they attend a speaking engagement of someone they don’t like? 

I mean, in this case, the proper and mature thing to do was to leave. Why sit and listen to mental drivel? 

Furthermore, what would happen if this mental midget was selling his wares in some Islamic country like, say…Saudi Arabia? 

Or speaking openly in a Western Nation about the sexist policies and beliefs of Islam? What, he doesn’t know that in Iran homosexuals are thrown from rooftops? 

No, the Bible is the problem. 

Well, as a Bible-believing Christian, I can say that the one word from God that is used to describe the acts of homosexuals- ABOMINATION. 

I’ll never go burn crosses on anyones lawn, and I’ll never throw stones. But I will never support, accept, or allow my family to succumb to these acts. I’ll let others make decisions for themselves, and I will live peaceably with them. I’ve had gay friends in my life. 

But I will never accept their chosen behavior. 

This guy goes on a rant against the Bible instead of talking about bullying. I find that he is disigenious at best and dishonorable at worst. Why does he find it necessary to defend his choice of personal behavior? People came to hear about bullying not anti-Christian rants.

Totally agree!! In Iran, homosexuals are thrown from rooftops. Or buried in the sand and stoned to death. Or mutilated to death. And all in the name of the Koran. Allah told them, so! 

Where is this bully’s attack on Islam? 

This is the first time i have ever heard of this dan savage…..CHRISTIANS….isn’t it interesting to note the one faith in this world ridiculed openly happens to be the correct faith?  In as much as the devil likes to confuse the world with various false doctrines. The one doctrine that is mocked is the one in which salvation is introduced through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.  Jesus loves you unconditionally so much that He demonstrated this by going willingly to the cross to pay for a debt He did not owe because we owed a debt we could not pay.  The devil is a liar to say the true believers do not like sinners of one kind or another, if this were so we would be self haters.  The only way to comprehend the holy bible is through the Holy Spirit of our risen Savior……pray-ask the Creator of the universe to reveal the truth of your existence through the holy word of our Heavenly Father.  Step out in faith by seeking the kingdom of God.  The Lord will reveal Himself to you if you truly seek to know the truth.  The Lord will reveal the holy bible to you if you ask Him, as asking is the first step of faith. Faith pleases the One who created you.  Prayers have been sent to our Father in Heaven in hopes of your salvation today.
Remember, we are all sinners, some of us just happen to be saved through Christ Jesus,

Eve

For now we are still permitted to walk away from lies.  Maybe at some time there will be “people” waiting at the door for those not indoctrinated.

They never understand Christianity and no matter how many times I try to explain it they never actually listen.

You are laughable. Why did you stop using your other screen name, sticky chin? You should have made this one thevoiceofstupidity….

you can’t make it up! the irony and audacity are off the charts!

The are Pansy asses. Bunch of up tight bible thumpers can’t take a few words of criticism and then they call people like Dan Savage sissies. 

Those who do Evil in whoever’s name still do Evil.  Neither the Bible nor religion is in itself a guarantee of Sainthood.  Knowing The Truth is not enough — one has to live it.

His MTV show is extremely offensive.  He exposes college students sexual life to the public and I find that inappropriate.  Peoples sexual life should be private, what decency is there if we all live with our sexuality on our sleeves.   Are we to get rid of sexual harassment cases because that person was just expressing themselves?

 Savage isn’t a “sissy”, he’s deceived.

this is the indoctrinationof our youth going on before our eyes. kudos to those kids to walk out on this rabble rouser.

Thats not criticism.  They have a choice not to listen to hate speech.  Ever hear 2 wrongs don’t make a right?  

Crap, the anti-Christians are giving the video more “likes”! It was half and half yesterday. Am I a pansy for following the words of Jesus Christ and Natural Law? I’ve never discriminated or demonstrated hatred towards a person with same-sex attraction. Isn’t he stereotyping?

well said

Slavery isn’t the easiest moral question- murder is.  So from the beginning, you’re arguing from a false premise, because any sane person doesn’t even question the Bible’s position on murder.  Furthermore, the fact that our society fails to conform to the Bible on many issues is not any sort of evidence that the Bible is wrong, and saying otherwise is an is/ought fallacy.

Criticism requires that one have an actual argument.  There was no case presented here, just a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions and blasphemy.

I wonder if he would have been as bold if he were speaking in front of a room full of Muslims in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

This is the most chilling video I’ve seen yet, ranks right up there with “Rumors of War Trilogy”. When I heard all those young voices laughing and cheering as he ridiculed the Good Book, I felt the saddest sense of rejection since my divorce. Quickly followed, I might add, by a rage that scared me.

How do we know that all the people who left were Christians.  Maybe some were just smart enough to see the hypocrisy.

So when does it ever get better for Christian kids?

Asking Christians to treat one part of the bible the same as the other part of the bible is a fair criticism. And not being able to handle that criticism is a sign of incredibly thin skin. 

Privates are supposed to be kept private.  That’s why they’re called privates;-)

I agree with you 100% – but the sad part of this was the reaction from the remaining students.  Where are the morals of our youth? 

Well Savage, remember Sodom and Gomorrah?  Guess the God of the Bible had the last laugh so to speak…hey, when are you scheduled to speak at a mosque?  One would guess you will be blasting Muslims for their anti-gay position just as you did here in the current rant.  Do let us knw.  We wouldn’t miss it for the world!  Ta ta…

Yes, Jesus loves Dan Savage – as we Christians have always been taught.  You apparently have not read the Bible. There are no distortions – It is the mis-interpretation of the non-belivers who distort our beliefs. 

You are truly dumber than a bag of hammers. This moron creates a group that is supposedly against bullying, then turns around and does it to a group of people. He is a hypocrite and so are you.

It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt.

The truth is, when people do something “wrong” they want others to do the same thing…..thinking that makes them “right”…. at some point in life you have to decide if you are a follower or a leader.   The students that walked out are leaders, and the sheeples remained in their seats, laughted at the jokes, so they could feel better about their own behavior.  It is refreshing to see students with convictions, and the guts to walk out quietly.  I’m sure they are the ones who get the least sympathy or understanding, as Mr. Savage showed. 

Many things in OT are  not valid in the NT. However homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in NT as wrong. If this gay guy does not want to believe it, fine but needs to stop the hate speech on those who do. It is a matter of your world view and does not have to be a matter of hate either way. There is room enough for all of us here but after that not so much.

More likely eunuchs by birth means exactly what it says- they were born with a deformity that makes them incapable of sexual relations and thus incapable of marriage.  Someone who has homosexual desires that he cannot channel into heterosexuality but chooses to follow Christ faithfully anyway would be a eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven- someone who chooses a life of celibacy in order to remain faithful to God, whether because he prefers the single life to marriage, feels that he cannot in good conscience take marriage vows, cannot find a suitable wife or would prefer to marry but instead offers his sexuality as a free-will offering to God, forsaking his right to be a husband and father in order to be of greater use to the Kingdom.

As long as he abstains from sexual immorality, both in deed and in thought, he will be greatly blessed.  ”Pick up your cross and follow Me,” says the Lord, and all who put to death the desires of the flesh in favor of Christ will be saved.  It is difficult indeed to endure a life of celibacy, but God will give the grace and strength sufficient to endure it and reap the blessing.  Blessed indeed are the faithful married, and their children are a heritage unto the Lord.  Blessed are those married couples who mourn their infertility, for they shall be comforted, and their fidelity shall not be in vain.  Indeed, we can hope that perhaps they have many children in Heaven- miscarriages known only to God whose souls He received unto Himself.  Finally, most blessed are they who are incapable of marriage or swear off marriage and instead rejoice in a life of celibacy and service to the Lord, for the Lord will remember their trials and reward them greatly for their faithfulness and self-sacrifice.  Indeed, it was once said that celibacy is a form of martyrdom, for the celibate man and the virgin woman die childless for the sake of the Lord.

He does blast Muslims and he wasn’t speaking at a church. Also, you’re suggesting that an all-loving god destroyed two cities filled with people and then laughed about it. And you believe in and worship that? 

I’m the mother of four grown children and I, too would have walked out of this man’s ‘speech’, because his ‘speech’ had zero to do with the topic of anti-bullying.  The fact that I’m Christian would have been another reason for me to walk out too.  His bullying was uncalled for, nasty and just downright mean.  This forum was a pitiful excuse for education.  Shameful.

Assumption is the mother of ALL fv ck-ups.

I have always maintained that gays are shock troops of the devil.  When the time of the tribulation comes it will be the gays leading the final solution.  America may be finished as a nation with this evil, perverted degenerate in charge.

The funny part is the left wing morons here that can not see the hypocrisy of this idiot creating an anti-bullying group just to turn around and have this idiot do what he is supposedly against.

Anytime he blast Christians and does not do the same to
Muslims is an example of hate toward Christians and his cowardliness for not
doing the same for Muslims. And if he feels we should ignore that part, how
about the rest…. Thou shall not murder, steal, lie, cheat, etc…. or how
about being thy brother’s keeper…. he has no right to dictate our morality,
but if he wants secularism, then stop taxing me to support his belief system
and all his perverts and parasites that sit on their rear and demand money for
they will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do…. they refuse to do the work,
then they should not eat…. I owe them nothing!

Yes, there is room enough for all of us here, but it doesn’t feel like it when one side (could be either liberals or conservatives) try to legalize their version of discrimination.

No, I am not suggesting anything, I am flat out saying that this idiot is a hypocrite of the highest order. He creates a group that is supposedly against bullying, as he turns around and does EXACTLY what his group is supposedly against. It’s really too bad that you are not smart enough to see this.

satan comes to people in so many ways,dan savage is one of these ways! I praise these young people that got up and walked out on his foolish rant,and I pray for those that stayed and cheered him on,you know the Bible says in the last days,many will be deceived,please if your child has to sit in school and listen to this satanist or any other satanist,please by all means take them out of that school,and get them counciling from a man of God,please parents the time is near,take interest in what your children have to listen to in school or anywhere for that matter! unless dan savage changes his ways you already know where he’s headed,please don’t let these dan savages take your children with him, if you don’t care, do nothing,you will be right there with him busting hell wide open,but we Christians will pray for your children!

This is to force us to give up our beliefs and except theirs. They promised 30 years ago that no of this would happen if we just left them alone. We can see they are liars and cannot be trusted. They are now promoting that minor males have sex with adult males….. this was spoken about in the Capital during Clinton’s administration, but the speaker was told to hush for we were not ready to accept that yet…. I guess under Obama they feel we are?

No they don’t understand Christianity because they don’t Want to understand. It is easier for them to downgrade and make fun of us. They don’t have the courage or the backbone to be Christians,so they resort to this… 

It is not discrimination to fight against the redefining of words like ‘is”, “alone”,
“sex”, and “marriage”. It is not discrimination to say we will keep our religious beliefs and say that we are not smarter than God. It is discrimination to force our children to listen to this crap and attack us for our religious beliefs.

Stop taking our tax dollars to pay for your evil attempt to force us to give up our religious beliefs.

satan?  Who the hell is satan?  These kids didn’t have the balls to sit there and defend the bible?  Why?  Because they know the bible is full of shit and how can you defend something that is full of bullshit and lies?  There’s another reason why the kids walked ou,t they don’t want to hear the truth.

I don’t think skin depth is the problem.  We Christians can handle all that the world hands out.  When there is an opportunity to “flee from” the presence of evil, we will do so.  Did you not notice the demeanor of those who left?  The walked out with their heads held high and in silence.  Our Lord and Savior was silent before his accusers as well.

So true, it is their selfishness and greed that prompts them. They must bring all they can down to their level to make themselves feel good about themselves. They want others to promote their sickness.

he would not have been as brave because he knows they would have killed him

Hey, it’s the complete moron, still spewing your stupidity for the world to see.

It just seems hypocritical to use parts of the bible to support a fashionable form of bigotry while ignoring that the bible is clearly OK with another form of bigotry.

He’s not dictating your morality, you bone head.  He’s quoting the bible.  “Stop taxing you to support his belief system” how do you guys come up with this shit? The only thing taxing you, is your brain, and it needs more revenue.

They do not
want to listen to perverts attack them and it is well know they never give
others the right to talk. Why do you not sit down and debate a religious
person! Because you are another child molester and lazy thief that feels you
have to attack anyone whom will not accept your perversion.

You yell
profanity when you are shown to be a hypocrite and liar. You should stop being
so selfish, greedy and full of hate!

what the gay liberal is too ingnorant to find out is that the translation for employee, servant and as what we  define as slave were all the same word. if you worked for someone you were his slave. if you were owned by someone likewise you were his slave

Were you ever bullied?

I am the youngest of 12 kids, draw your own conclusions. Besides, what does that have to do with my comment?

We are proud of these courageous young Christians who were willing to stand up for their beliefs in this assembly.  Their statements were louder and more profound than anything this young homosexual had to say.

We also appreciate your sharing the video. We are passing it on!

Hey, Glenn, remember when you stood up on your show at Fox News and said we had to DRESS for success?  What has happened to you guys?  You look like a bunch of bums and I’m afraid you’re not only losing your audience but also your witness.  We want the OLD Glenn Beck back!

He was simply pointing out how the bible bullies people.  Look at you?  Another asshole defending a book written by guys who didn’t know where the sun went at night.  You said you would have walked out too.  Why wouldn’t you stand against him?  Because you know the bible is  a crock of shit.

Go back to having sex with you brother! You group attacks others with lawsuits on those with little assets.

You know, if the Muslims take over, no one will have to listen to you perverts anymore for you will not be around! Then you will be sorry that the Christians were silenced by your evil!

The only crock of shit I see is you. Stupid little kid.

Your siblings bullied you by calling you a “pansy ass” when you fled a fair criticism of your belief system?

He was quoting the bible.  What’s the problem?  If you have a problem with the bible, it’s simple,  stop believing it.  Use your common sense. 

Many of the sheeple don’t want ANY rules.  Do what you want.  If it feels good, do it, no consequenses, no criticism, no judgement.. 

So considering the Big Picture, I’d rather live without murder, lying, cheating, stealing, and included rest, respect and humilty, so I try to live by God’s ”top Ten” instead of Letterman’s.   

Hey stupid, why would you assume I am religious? You do realize that assumption is the mother of all fv ck-ups, right? Besides, you said bullied, not bullied over religion. My “pansy-ass?” Another assumption, you are one dumb M F er.

So, you refuse to see the bullying because you agree with it, got ya. See, this idiot creates an anti-bullying group, then turns around and does the same thing. It’s called hypocrisy, since you are one of the biggest hypocrites here, I doubt you could see that.

I do not want to hear about what you eat out of your boyfriend’s rear…We just know the double standard that you use and how you never listen to others for you yell and scream like babies to get what you want.

You demand others accept your evil and give no tolerance to others…. you feel that only what you want matters. Selfishness, greed, laziness, lies, perversion…. all traits promoted by your group and Lucifer!

They didn’t stand up!  They walked out!  What pussies!  But in all reality, how can anyone with half a brain believe in a book that tells you how to treat your slaves? 

Did I deserve to be called that name???  No I did not – I didn’t defend the Bible; I said his speech had zero to do with anti-bullying.  He was foul, missed the the point and he taught those kids nothing. He had an agenda and got noticed.  Big deal. Somehow people like you read things into what other people write.  And one more thing, just because you feel the way you do about the bible, means nothing.  You, me and every other human being will be judged after death – that’s a fact.  What you believe and whether you believe has nothing to do with it.  There’s a heaven and a hell – that’s it. 

Hey, Jean, don’t this moron get your blood pressure up. Other than sticky chin (A.K.A. strtlk), they are the dumbest person that posts here. 
 

No, he was making fun of it and anyone that believed in it. The fact is if you had half a brain, you would look at what it says to do and see that it is a guide to keep from having problems. It has many things in it that people questioned … why do these things and now after centuries of science, we are understanding many of these things and people ask how could they have known such things with microscopes and lab tests etc….

Your comments are bullying.  This is what comes out of inviting Satan into the schools through the testimony of a homosexual.  You reap what you sow.

Yeah, because the only way to handle things is an argument or violence. If one does not engage in those things, they are a pussy. In all actuality, you are the pussy.

Jean How do you come up with this shit ,  ”You, me and every other human will be judged after death” do you have any evidence for this? No? So why do you say it?

You poor pathetic creature…no wonder you’re so mean.  You’ll pay for those words.  

You call people names, but you will not take us on one on one. So I guess you have faught in Iraq etc… Oh no, so when you call some one that bname, look in the mirror… Oh I forgot you like it in the rear becuase you do not have a Pssy!

Rational criticism is one thing, but profanity laced rants are another, and calling people names for not believing like you do, or embracing the same lifestyle as you is what the left has been harping on as being wrong for decades. It’s time for Savage to practice what he’s preaching.

What forms of “bigotry” are you talking about?

What’s the matter, babe?  Does what’s written in the bible, bother you?  Stop reading it.  It was written by guys that were more ignorant then you.

Says the guy who just suggested that Savage is an agent of Satan… his comments are bullying, and so are yours.

“You’ll pay for those words.” – A Christian

Just wait…you’ll see.

Be specific please. Where is the Bible clearly OK with another form of bigotry? And, why is it bigotry-whatever you are referring to?

I would have walked out on him not only because I believe the Bible, but because he’s an ignorant hypocrite, and I would consider it a waste of time to listen to anything he has to say. I think it’s the ultimate level of hypocrisy to make your living decrying “bullying” and yet to take potshots at certain members of a captive audience of students.

he must be gay…gays have tried to destroy the priesthood for years by sending gays to become priest by destroying the catholic faith from the inside…REMEMBER u gays…the a-hole is an exit not an entry…when u do that u get aids, more importantly  is its a medical problems, & i agree u should be allowed to get aids if u want that like style…ENJOY!

No, probably not. Anyone who can talk like that about the word of God is an obvious reprobate.

I’m done writing to him…he’s got a chip on his shoulder. 

we are seeing the results of what the bible has been preaching…its called AIDS…

what in the world is “someone”,and i won’t classify or name call,like this being allowed into our schools in the first place to run his filth down to the next generation???where’s the motorcity madman and his peacemaker ? 

Greywolfs, Your right!  It’s called hypocrisy, but it worked.  This guy wanted to point out just how fucked up the bible is, and it worked!  Guess who’s talking about what?

I doubt it. I’ve always been told that bullies are really cowards underneath, that’s why they pick their victims carefully. This man figured the students had to stay and listen to him no matter what, so he figured he’d go ahead and push some buttons. What he doesn’t realize is how much he’s tarnished his own credibility now.

My daughter and I have both had over a 3.9 GPA in college while holding full time jobs!

We work and earn our own way instead of stealing it like you! Placing your knowledge against ours, those that founded this country and those of biblical times would only show how much of a moron you are!

If the muslim take over?  Who cares?  The muslims can’t be as fucked up as the christians, can they?

Go suck you daddy again! We do not want to listen to your evil.

High school students are still considered to be children. Who allows a
man to cuss in front of children? For that alone if I were a teacher,
administrator or any adult with morals, I would have either shut the
thing down or lead the kids out of the building. You’ve all got to
realize how hard it was for those students to face their peers and walk
out. Because of Mr. Savage, many of these brave kids will now be teased
and ridiculed. If one is physically harmed as a result of this incident,
we can place blame at the feet of the ‘great anti-bullying orator’, Dan
Savage.

Full of hate?  When someone doesn’t agree with you their full of hate?  Your delusional. 

hey u liberal dope…why don’t u preach that garbage to the muslims who kill you…the catholics/christians  let u live! lol! u have no balls! your peace sign is the foot print of the chicken!!!

 Yes Jesus loves all, even Dan Savage. Savage is a bully and he distorts the Bible and says it hurts people. Jesus is never ashamed; He is the Truth, the Way and the Life.  Many people misunderstand the Bible and its teaching, especially Dan Savage.
You are not the real voice of america, unless you are a party of one.

He wants to have sex with the children just as they had admitted in Washington during a speech.

They will just take your heads or stone you to death!

You think we make fun of christians?  Your wrong.  Christians are a joke all by themselves, they don’t need any help.

Omg, this is another pos, that attracts ovomit!!!! pure hysterical filth!!!

Memorial day is the day they plan on ramping up their riots.

WTF!

 Profanity is not necessary….don’t stoop to Savage’s level, please…..

You are the
ones pushing it out in our face! It is to promote your evil and make you feel
good about yourself for it is the only way you can feel like a man.

You kid will
not go in front of the Muslims and preach this garbage.

You are
still a little boy and have not been weaned off your daddy’s shaft!

Hmmm gotta love the name calling with no basis in fact argument. Rant rant rant, ok prove it. Silence”………………………………. Rant rant rant

High school students are still children?  Where the hell do you live?  These kids walked out because they heard the truth, and christians don’t like the truth.  They live in a fairy land.

The bible does calls homosexuality a sin. The religious use this to support their fashionable bigotry against homosexuals. People hate gays and work backwards from there finding quotes from the bible to make them feel better about discriminating against homosexuals.

If that wasn’t the case, then those same people would be calling for:

The stoning of disobedient children: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+21%3A18-21&version=KJV

The stoning of women who aren’t virgins are their wedding day:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22&version=NIRV 

Laws that forbid the blending of fabrics like wool and linen: 
http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/22-11.htm 

I could go on.

The bible doesn’t discuss whether or not slavery is wrong. It talks about the proper way to treat the slaves you already own. The Christian god has very specific rules for the best way to own someone, and how much your daughter is worth.

Go suck your daddy again.  Is that what the bible teach’s you?  Come on over babe, I got a big surprise for you. 

The fairy is talking about fairy land!

We saw how you 99ers steal, rape, pollute the air and ground,etc…. and then try to say your all about acceptance. You are all about your own greed, laziness, selfishness and hatred.. you know your own evil and try to convince yourself that you are not by preaching your hate!

Little boy crying give me, I want, I hate you for you will not do what I say and give me what I demand.

Instead of sealing it like you?  What the fuck are you talking about?  Does being a christian give you the right to make shit up that you know nothing about?

You are the one attempting to force you’re evil on us, so if your not such a little boy you can come over and try to stand up to me…. I have been to Nam, Cambodia, and Iraq and kick your little girl butt down the street.

I do not care if you and your dad poking each other! Just do not ask us to endorse it!

I’M PROUD OF THOSE KIDS THAT WALKED OUT!! THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT!!

Jesus rose from the dead.  If it were not so, His enemies would have produced His Body as soon as His Apostles began preaching Him as risen from the dead.  And if Jesus is risen, so too shall all the dead be raised, either to life or to condemnation.

Back at you little boy! Pay your own way and leave the rest of us alone!

He’s qouting the bible.  You got a problem with that? If the bible bothers you, it’s simple, stop reading it.

This is just further proof of the lefty public school agenda, pro homo and anything else that is deviant. They have to destroy Christians to complete their agenda.

I’m so proud of those kids who walked out – I wouldn’t sit there and let this fool dumb his garbage on me either – who cares what he thinks. this fool has no clue about the bible – he has zero understanding.  One thing is for sure, God is the same yesterday, today and forever and He isn’t going to change his mind or who He is to suit this generation – homosexuality is a sin whether that gay likes it or not. 

Sodom had rape mobs roaming about.  Are you really defending them as not deserving their fate?

Repeat the same lie over and over again…. must be a Soros blogger

I’m so proud of those kids who walked out – I wouldn’t sit there and let this fool dumb his garbage on me either – who cares what he thinks. this fool has no clue about the bible – he has zero understanding.  One thing is for sure, God is the same yesterday, today and forever and He isn’t going to change his mind or who He is to suit this generation – homosexuality is a sin whether that gay likes it or not. 

The unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit and cannot understand the truth – the things of God.  There is something about the unregenerate person that simply cannot fathom eternal things.  ”But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”  Heavenly concepts can only be spiritually discerned.  It is something unexplainable in human terms.  It can only be understood by experience.

Wait for what?  If you had evidence for anything, I might start to believe, but untill you can prove something to me, I ain’t buying it.

Okay vacuum/vacuous-do you ever listen? You are too stupid, profane, illogical, irrantional, uneducated, arrogant, semantically and intellectually challenged to understand even an ignorant bully like Savage. As a recent poster said the  word for slave is the same word as employee, and Masters/employers needed to be told how to treat their employees. In any case, that is a very minor part of the Bible and had you ever actually read it, and applied even the most minimal literary analysis (hermeneutics) you would know better than to make such a stupid irrelevant comment. But then, you always post stupidity, and reveal your ignorance. Please stop inflicting your profane stupidity on us.
When Jesus repeated the Ten commandments, He instructed the following: “The greatest of these (the ten commandments) is to love the Lord Thy God will all thy heart, mind and soul and thy neighbor as thyself”
(Neighbor being everyone ) Notice the MIND part? We are supposed to use our minds and study and learn and gain wisdom as a result of our faith.
All in all, you are a waste of time, effort and words, but God told me to love you, (But I don’t have to LIKE you or give you any credence, Thank God.

Your delusional.

only a person who has no understanding of the bible would say something like that.  I understand the bible very well.  I understand the audience of who certain parts of the bible were addressed to, I have a fairly good understanding of the various cultures and times when certain things were written.  The bible has to be taken in context – it can just be some random verses pulled out here and there.  Who was the audience – who was the writing intended for ?  on top of it, there is more than just one layer to anything in the bible but it is only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.  many have eyes but cannot see and ears but they cannot hear so they make a comment like the one you did.  ask God to reveal His Word to you if you really want to know.  He will.  The bible says He will give Wisdom to anyone who asks for it.

 Please don’t sink to vacuum’s level. He is definitely too stupid to understand and it is offensive

you are ignorant of the bible Jeff, I’m sorry to say.  And explaining it to you is not something that can be done in a few sentences.  Ask God to show you and do some real study instead of some superficial few verses or stories.  You will come away with a much deeper understanding.  Instead of splashing about in a puddle, come on out into the deep…

If I believed in the bible, I would have been a man, and stood my ground.  I fight for what i believe in. These pussy’s walked out, why?  Because when you realize how fucked up the bible is, how can you defend it?  Only an idiot would believe something written by people fprm the bronze age.

I would like to know how a man with such radical views is invited or allowed to speak to room full of teens???  They are not allowed to display the ten commandments, pray before high school games or speak of intelligent design, but they can but a foul mouthed  radical in front of a bunch of kids and slam the Bible and it is OK?  If this talk would have been about Islam or the Koran, I’m thinking it would have been a whole different story!  I applaud the young people who had the wisdom and courage to walk out…and I second the poster who asked about the moral fabic of those remaining in the room.

 You certainly don’t need any help making a joke of yourself. You have such poor grammar. You have no education or understanding-you don’t understand sarcasm or irony.  Get an education, then start posting. For now you make no sense.

I did prove it. You can see my links to evidence and fact below. Have a wonderful evening. 

I’ve read the bible (along with other religious texts). That’s why I’m an atheist. 

Edit: OK, that’s not actually why I’m an atheist.

I was always an atheist. I read the bible to see if it presented any evidence to support its claim that there is a god. It does not satisfactorily support this assertion, therefore I remained an atheist.

However, reading the bible did turn me into an anti-theist.

You guys have blood pressure?  Usually that’s a sign that your capable of thought.  What happened in your case? 

 Savage doesn’t know the truth. He is a bully. The kids who walked out knew they wouldn’t be given the chance to defend the Bible, nor did they need to, not in that forum.
Stop with the profanity, vacuum.  You acknowledged Satan in previous posts on the Media Matters story. You called God evil, acknowledging both God and Satan. You are so contradictory and stupid.

Jeff, your example below about stoning were to the Jews/Hebrews – not Christians.  The Hebrews were under the law and there is a whole teaching behind that which is way too deep to get into here.  This was a certain time and a place and the Jewish/Hebrew people were held to the Law which could never be kept by any man.  The purpose is to show man that he cannot save himself – not by what he does/his works.  No matter how “good” of a person man thinks he is – compared to God and His holiness, a man’s works are as filthy rags.  To this end man needed a Savior – God so loved the world that He gave His on begotten Son – Jesus Christ.  He sent Jesus Christ to save mankind because it is absolutely impossible for man to ever be good enough and holy enough to save himself.  God love us.  God loves you.  Nobody hates gays – not real Christians and most certainly not God.  But homosexuality is a sin in the bible and God is not going to change his mind just because it’s popular today – that’s the way it is.  You either believe the bible is the Word of God or you don’t.  Christians are saved by grace so sacrifice and stoning are not in the new testament – but love for God and each other is.  Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, mind and soul.  In Christianity, the body is the temple of God… the Holy Spirit comes to live in us when we accept Jesus Christ and starts transforming a person from the inside out.  God changes the heart … it takes time but it happens. You can’t sodomize the temple of God for crying out loud and call yourself a Christian – it is unholy. Christians are not perfect people – they can never be – not while on this earth.  we are sinners friend there is no doubt about it.  Christians are people who know they can no longer do it on their own – they have tried and tried until they finally turn their lives over to God to do it His way.  That is the difference between a person who believes in Jesus and one who doesn’t.  the person who doesn’t believes they can do it on their own and in their own way – and lead lives without hope.  A Christian knows they can’t do it on their own – we know we need God in our lives. I hope this helps.  And may you come to know the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

Dan Savage is a bully.

Crazy betty, you said,  “god isn’t going to change his mind”  Then why do you pray to him?  Seems like a waste of time , doesn’t it?

Stop the profanity vacuum. You are no man, but a worm. You believe in nothing, except maybe Krauss and Dawkins, immoral, irrational, pedophile excusing/defending idiots like yourself, though in all fairness, at least they have some education and decent grammar. What is to fight for, if you believe in nothing?
The Bible was written in the Bronze Age? Do you know what the Bronze Age is/was?

 Looking in the mirror again vacuum?

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13;Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).

The same part of the bible that condemns sodomy is the part that has all the old laws about stoning people. You can’t believe in one and not the other. At least, you cant’ believe in one and not the other without being a hypocrite and a blasphemer. 

Jesus never took a stand on homosexuality. 

Jesus rose from the dead?  Prove it!  You can’t,
 so shut the *uck-up!

No no use the real bible… Wonder if you have ” studied”the Koran as much or look for contradictions just to justifie hate?

 ”Answer a fool in his folly, lest he become wise in his own eyes”.
“As a dog turns to his vomit, so a fool to his folly”
Vacuum will have to pay for his folly (his words). The Lord judges us by our “fruits”. What are vacuum’s but hate, meanness and willfull stupidity?

These kids are wimps.  If they believed in the bible they would have stood their ground.  But who can believe in a book written by people from the bronze age.

well at least we know now there’s a political party for the doorknob lickers.Isn’t that the wierdest thing? GLTH &doorknob lickers way to go DEEMO crats

I’m not forcing anything on you.  You’re having a hard time defending the bible and it bothers you.  I understand, the bible is full of shit.  However, if you were raised to believe the bible I can see why you would be pissed off.  I wasn’t happy when I found out santa claus didn’t exist.

 Asking people not to bully then bullying people is thin skinned. BTW, what about all the kids with handicaps and disorders that are bullied? What about the so called nerd and bookworms? They still get bullied and NO ONE stand up for them. It is as if the anti bully laws are only for gays. Special rights anyone?

 Again with the profanity and stupidity? What is it? Bronze Age or don’t know where the sun went at night? Where do you get this stupidity? Everybody but the Hebrews had strange ideas about nature and the sun. Hebrews knew the sun rose and set; the Bible is clear on that as well as clear about the earth being a ball set in the heavens by God.
Savage is an idiot, much like you. As a dog turns to his vomit, so a fool to his folly. It is pointless to “stand against him in a forum he controlled. He revealed his stupidity and agenda by railing against that of which he knew nothing rather than speaking on anti bullying.  You assume too much and asset falsehoods in your last statement.

The99% steal, rape…………Sounds like you’ve been watching fox news too much.

The 99% spring starts 5/1/12  May day.  Come on out into the streets.  Get involved.

Gays have tried to destroy the priesthood?  How do you guys come up with this shit?  Do you realize how rediculous you sound?  Thanks for the laugh.

If you had real evidence that people are borne homosexual then they would present it. They cannot explain the bi-sexual, etc…

It is a choice through propaganda, training, indoctrination and those that wish to standout!

Wow. This is an anti bullying thing? He intentionally provoked the Christian kids with his rhetoric and called them pansy-ass when they chose not to listen to it. Classy. If this was a room full of adults, I wouldn’t have an issue. But, this is just weird…was he having a flashback of his high school days up there?

 What is YOUR evidence that what jeanfrancoir said is untrue? She believes it, so she says it. What do you believe?  You have said in previous posts in other forums that you are an atheist yet you refer to God as evil and asked a poster to ask God why he made you an atheist. You are too stupid to realize you acknowledge God’s existence by saying such things. You never state a fact or give a source, except for Krauss (you got the name wrong the first time) and you insist that he “proved” God didn’t exist because he posited the theory (not proof) that nothing could produce something. But he employed his “scientific methodology”  in defending his pedophile buddy Epstein, revealing his failure as a scientist (his method was hopelessly flawed) and embarrassing himself, and his atheist/scientific buddies. And he is your “evidence”? jeanfrancoir knows what she believes and has evidence, but you would reject it anyway. Why should she “cast (her) pearls before swine”. Why don’t you present real evidence of your “position” if you can even define it. So far, all you have said is   contradictory, profane, illogical, irrational, confused stupid psychotic filth.

This fellow (Dan Savage) is probably too self-absorbed to understand that he is advocating for exactly what communism has advocated for in every corner of the globe that it has ever appeared, and that is simply the denial of the existence of God, because it is paramount to the ultimate conversion and subsequent “enslavement” of people to the power of centralized government.
 
His obliviousness to the realization that the size, color, strength, and quality of rope that he demands to extract from an unwilling society, will be that with which his communist overlords will eventually hang him.
 
I feel deeply sorry for the self-delusion of Savage and those who were cheering him in their disgraceful, pitiful and profound display of colossal nescience.

Nowhere in the Bible does God take pleasure in destroying any of his creatures, regardless of their wickedness.  Christians worship a merciful God who is always ready to forgive.  So much that He sent His Son to suffer for all of our sins.  We only have to believe, repent and follow.  Destruction is a choice made by man’s free will not God’s.  It’s really pretty simple, although difficult at times, when you decide who to serve: God or yourself.    

I most certainly would hate to be in his shoes come judgement day, how about you?  In Leviticus it plainly states that, if a man lays with another man he will most surely die!!!  These people have no idea just how bad it is going to be.  I certainly wouldn’t let my child go to one of his conferences, and you are right it is only going to get worse.  My great grandmother was a holiness preacher and she used to say when my mom you little that, this old world is going to wax worse and worse.  It will!

 He is not quoting the Bible, he misquotes it, wilfully fails to understand as do you. I pay taxes, and my tax money is going to this stupidity, among others.
For someone with no education, morality or brains to say someone else is a bonehead and stupid because he does not agree with you, proves you are what you accuse others of.

I’m still trying to recall any time a “Christian” has ever promoted the idea that any part of the Bible should be treated differently than any other part of the Bible, other than the obviousness of the differences between Mosaic Law in the Old Testament and Christianity in the New Testament.

Perhaps you could give me an example or two?

Examples please, JeffGrubb?

Judgement day?  Sounds like your a christian. Leviticus was written by guys who didn’t know where the sun went at night?  Do you see how lame your argument is?

Please don’t lower yourself to his lack of standards. It is unnecessary to attack him as a pervert, just because he has supported Savage. He is perverted but not necessarily sexually. He seems to be on a mission to spread his irrational hatred of God, Jesus, the Bible , Christians. Let us not be silent about the Truth the Way and the Life; let us not be silenced by the stupidity of the Savages and vacuums, but live up to your handle, a higher standard. Your post seems more than a little vile and filthy. The first line is uncalled for.

Stop trying to shelter these kids from the truth.  Let them know the bible is bullshit.

I agree Corran. Some of these students “may” have walked out, NOT because they are devout Christians, but because they weren’t so ignorant that they overlooked Savage’s obvious bullying tactics. …I cheer them as well as the Christians that rejected his anti-Bible ranting.

 That is not an answer or a question. It is uncalled for. Stop being deliberately offensive and profane. I know you can’t help yourself. You are corrupt to the core, not having any moral compass or guide.

If you believe any book was written by god, you’re an asshole.  By the way I got a nice bridge I’m looking to get rid of……………………

Mr. Savage sounds well and truly warped and closed-minded. The fact that some people choose to misuse the Bible text to harshly judge and abuse others does NOT mean the Bible is bad. Indeed, some people will use Mr. Savage’s speech to justify harshly judging and abusing Christians – all Christians – just as he himself is doing.

His hypocrisy knows no bounds. I don’t know what his life story is and what has caused him to become so bitter and hateful, but this is NOT the kind of person we need supposedly teaching our children to be more respectful of each other.

He must be great friends with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, because the class-baiting is exactly the same.

The bible is full of shit, stop quoting it.  Instead of reading the bible, why don’t you spend your time doing something worthwhile,  like working in a soup kitchen.

Be specific coward… tell all the Muslims that and say it in public to their face…. or go and crawl in a corner and wine like a little boy.

Great points. His discussion of slavery is especially insidious and ironic, because that is indeed where communism will lead us in all but name.

You said,  “the fact that some people choose to misuse the bible”  WTF!  They were not mis using the bible he was reading from it.  What’s the prblem?  Are you so ashamed of what is written that you have to try to justify it.

What this idiot Dan Savage does not know is if Christians are wimps because we obey God than a wussy like Savage is because he looks like an idiot that will be lucky he doesn’t wind up in a pig house like the Prodigal Son did look up to Heaven and ask his Creator to forgive him for being stupid. 

Fashionable form of bigotry, just because someone disagrees with a lifestyle doesn’t make it bigotry.  I disagree with pedophilia and infanticide, is that a form of bigotry.  Your disregard for Christians or any believers is fashionable bigotry then too.   Oh but wait a minute, there is a double standard for you.  Only you can be intolerant, hate, allowed to marginalize and judge everyone who doesn’t think like you.  Your reality what a concept!

That really depends on the context in which you read it…if literally, then yeah, I’d had say there are some problems. You making the blanket statement that the Bible is “bullshit” is about as ignorant as someone saying that if you don’t believe in the bible’s inerrancy then you are going to hell. Okay, that last one is a little nuttier. But, seriously, that is a discussion for adults. You don’t bash kids for believing what their parents do.

 Not even you vacuum could be that ignorant or stupid. Christianity is light years different than Islam. But maybe because Muslims hate Christians (and everybody who isn’t Muslim), maybe you think they will do your work for you. Don’t you realize that Islam teaching and practice is everyone has to be Muslim and that Islam is spread by the sword, (non believers are put to death), and that all other religions including atheists are Satan and need to be eradicated?
Your stupidity and hatred knows no bounds. You prove it with every post you make.

It would be like forcing Jews and Muslims to eat pork and you have to understand we Christians don’t use the Old Testament the way you left wingers think we use it for. See the more important part to a Christian is the New Testament and the whole slavery argument goes to show me that this guy has no clue why the rules are there to begin with. They owned slaves back then the Bible was telling them to treat their slave’s right. Sometimes in that culture people became slaves when they could not pay their debates they owned and worked until they had it paid off. The Jews treated their slaves differently then we did here. Like I said the guy does not understand history and the bible. One more point when you host an anti-bully conferees you should not become the bully.

 I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes when he stands before the judgement bar of God.

 I was, by lesbians and other gays, this back in the 50′s and 60′s…

You planted the seed at least let God do the rest.

Their hope for the worst of us I was an atheist myself.

How does it feel to be on the other end of a moralist attack? Huh? Well, remember that conservatives. That’s exactly what you do most of the time.

 There was a time in the Bible when a woman was thrown against the wall in front of Jesus to be stoned for adultery.  Jesus quietly but firmly told them to “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”  Then He told the woman to go her way and sin not more.

There is no justification for calling anyone that and they were not fleeing “a fair criticism of your belief system”. Savage is not fair and he set up straw dogs to knock down. They didn’t flee, they just left. I would too. Savage spews vile hypocrisy. Of course, I wouldn’t have gone in the first place. That anti-bullying program is misguided and ineffective and based on false premises and run by the likes of Savage who is clueless about truth.

We all take our own person journey and decide for ourselves what is truth.  I don’t tell others what to believe, that is for them to decide.  But I don’t insult others for their beliefs.  I know that many people suffer from having religion being forced upon them and then need to rebel and lash out, perhaps that is you?  But many of us came to our belief for reasons you may never be able to understand. 

Discussion of different views can be enlighting, but insulting another’s belief is wrong.  Whose “truth” do they need to learn…..yours? 

If you said….”stop trying to shelter these kids and let them hear another point of view.  I think the bible is bullshit”……I wouldn’t have a complaint.  But I’m not sure what gives you the right to claim to know TRUTH. 

 Wrong again. You have not a clue as to what constitutes an argument, evidence or proof.  You are the only lame one here. You obviously don’t know history or what the writers knew. What they said says they very well knew where the sun went. I don’t think you know…..you believe in Krauss …..who believes in pedophiles…….

Your joking right? Christians havent lived by Levitical law for 2000 thousand years. Since……Oh yeah since the first Christians. But then again why you bother with facts when you can just say something that makes no sense at all .  Telling a christain that he should stone a woman for lack of virginity reaks of complete ignorance. Jesus Christ Himself Told Jewish men to knock it off. because they were not with out sin. and had no business stoning a woman for Adultry. We as Christians dont belive in killing people for sins. But we are asked to pray for our enemies. And stand for our beliefs as peacefully as possible. This speaker is a complete Bafoon. But i guess he can keep spreading his hate-filled rhetoric as long as teenagers and teachers loudly applaud adding to total amount of Ignorance in the room. 

Bingo!  Thank you.  Finetap let’s put the pressure on these assholes.  Their positions are so lame and they defend them so vicously.  Keep up the bashing.

In pedophilia and infanticide, non-consenting children are hurt or killed. I don’t require any book to explain to me why that is wrong. 

In homosexuality between consenting adults, no one is harmed. 

I do not tolerate intolerance. 

Disregarding Christians and believers is not bigotry. Homosexuals wouldn’t care if you attempted to disregard them. It’s the fact that you wish to treat them with inequality that really causes problems. 

Give it a break Wormwood.  You’re only intent is too harass and goad good people into saying bad things.  That’s all you are accomplishing and its lame; a shallow victory that doesn’t last.    Now go back to running from the Hound of Heaven.  He’ll never give up pursuing you regardless of how hard you try to push Him away.      

 this guy is a loser, i wouldn’t send my dog to listen to him, he is a first class jerk, that has no respect for God or the humans present in his meeting, that’s why i don’t take my kids to see every fly by night that step out and claim to be something. If people do more research there are lots of good speakers out there that’s speaking on the same subjects and their messages are presented in a respectful way.i would never go hear him. it’s a waste of time. i have heard better

 Only to you….and you are  stupid ….

Anytime a Christian claims it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin, if their next words aren’t “oh, and we need to stone disobedient children,” then they’re picking and choosing which parts of the bible to treat as reality. 

What would be like forcing Jews and Muslims to eat pork? Forcing you to be gay? Yeah, of course, is someone forcing you to be gay? I’ll condemn that person. 

And any god that wants to help you treat your slaves better rather than scolding you for owning humans, is a pretty lackluster supreme being. 

 There are none so blind……You sound like vacuum.. Poor you. Reading without understanding……

You obey god?  When god tells you to stone someone to death for working on the sabbath, what do you do?  If you believe in the word of god you’re compelled to do what god says right?  Why is it I never hear of anybody being stoned………..to death?

You’re. 

This guy is quoting the bible!  Do you have a problem with the word of god?  Sounds like you’re ashamed of the bible.  Why is that?

I’m just trying to get you to think in a rational way.  I want you to consider the evidence instead of playing the faith card.  That’s all.

What the fuck are you talking about? The guys that wrote the bible didn’t know shit.  Anyone you have ever met is smarter then the assholes who wrote the bible.   The guys that wrote the bible didn’t know what a germ was?  What an atom was?  Seem what I mean.  I hate to say it but even you know more then the guys who wrote the bible, and that ain’t saying much.

Moralist attack, more like a demonic attack.  Lets see, take quotes out of context and use it as an opportunity to push a hidden agenda to a captive audience intimidated by peer pressure.   Wait a minute, that’s what the left does everyday and our Commie in Chief does on a daily basis with his useful idiots in the mainstream media.  
Oh you silly tricksters, now get out of here before we give you a slap!    

hey commy…gays aren’t trying to destroy religion!!! your political correctness is showing along with your lack of common sense!!! the joke is on your LIFE!

nah2 a demonic attack?  Since when is quoting the bibble a demonic attack?  And what does the Commie in chief have to do with this?  Why do you assholes always involve obama in everything?  What’s your problem?

Very wonderful elusidation. Thankyou.

You proved nothing. You only sourced the Bible on the blending of wool
and linen, and there are good reasons for that. I don’t think that is a
good blend for fabric and I don’t know of any garment so made.  The rest
came from biblegate.com. You don’t understand the Old Testament. The Christian God? Where in the New Testament does it say “owning” someone is right and how much your daughter is worth?  You look for contradictions and passages that support your unsupportable position, but you have not employed even the most rudimentary literary analysis or you couldn’t  sincerely say any of that.
In any case, I don’t hate gays and I don’t believe it is “fashionable bigotry” to hate gays, nor is it in the Bible, which says only that it is sin along with other sins. Again, if you employed literary analysis you would know that.
 It is “fashionable bigotry” to degrade and discriminate against and criticize Christians based on misinterpretations of the Bible and assumptions of what constitutes Christianity.  What I personally object to is giving special rights to gays, because they are gay. That is not bigotry-just the opposite. I also object to making a hate crime just because a victim happens to be or claims to be gay. Crimes against women, because they are women (rape, beatings), and crimes against children are not classified as hate crimes but they truly are.

My problem is you and your rhetoric.  The majority of your posts are demeaning and inciteful.  I can appreciate a civil conversation or debate but you make it mainly personal and mean spirited.   I know you understand that people of faith are passionate and don’t like being disrespected, but you just keep pushing on that nerve.   You are just a pest and that’s the only way you get noticed.  Your arguements are lame, tired, typical talking points that only serve to anger.  You’re like a terd that needs to be flushed! 

He posts under different names, but the shtick is always the same.He enjoys anonomously denigrating people.

Okay guys,  I’ve had alot of fun tonight but now it’s time for some real laugh’s.  Roll up a fatty, sit back, and enjoy jon stewart on the daily show.  Have a good night.

It’s not hidden. It’s clear and out there, you know, all the way out of the closet. The Bible’s take on homosexuality is wrong. Love is love, no matter who gives it and who receives it. Respect love and respect God. They should not be a contradiction in this.

What can one exspect out of a flaggots mouth besides his boyfriends come. Folks the war is on the horizen.Be prepared.To attack Christ,the I, is as low as one can go.If Christ asked you who are you,the correct answer would be,I am you.This person has only made the timber dryer and soon a firestorm will ignight.One that not even a smart-assed flaggot can control.Many things are happening behind the curtin and soon things will be set right again.Say what you wish,but in the end The Nazerine will win.God Bless You and the USA. My apologies about my spelling.This just burns me up.

God lets his people decide.He has no control.But as I learned in Nam,there are no athiest in a foxhole.

Pshaw, it gives them an opportunity to get a step closer to Heaven. I’m sure they have already patted themselves on the back a million times for it. They should be thanking him. He was totally justified. You would be shocked at what average “Christians” say about homosexuality to people they assume will agree with them. And Dan is correct: most Christians are selective in following the Bible. It’s why I gave up organized religion. It would be interesting to study the contrasting opinions of church-going Christians to non-church-going Christians.

You apparently are trying to drive a wedge between the old and new testiments.I would love to engage you in discussion about the talmud and the new testiment.

walking out showed a weakness…listening to something that you may not understand or believe in and giving some honest reaction to it is healthier than walking out or not letting them talk…it is hypocritical and shows that you are afraid of anything outside your own ideas!

An excellent reply.

Jeffrey,just say you are an athiest and leave it at that.

Does he have the guts to bash the koran on the same subjects? Its easy to bash Christians because they do turn the other cheek. I would love to see him publicly denounce muslems because they dont.

Where is it written that a Christian should listen to a flaggot insult thier beliefs.You are a magician with out a rabbit in his hat.Your words are meaningless.

 this shows you how that the world is so weak mined that it will fall for anything’ this can be used as a great example of how the antichrist is going to get the unbelievers to turn their backs on God and reject the bible and take the mark of the beast. one group of people set right there and clapped and enjoyed what he was saying. but did you catch it? that another group got up and separated their self from it. the bible said there would be two groups. one group would follow God and his bible and the other group would follow Satan and disbelieve the bible. God is a spirit and he uses humans to encourage others to believe his bible. DON’T MISS THIS Satan also is a spirit and he also uses humans to discourage others to not believe in the bible. NOW YOU TELL ME WHO SPIRIT WAS ON THE PLATFORM SPEAKING IN THIS MEETING. and it was done right out in the open, you saw a man standing there but, IT WAS THE DEVIL AT WORK . THE BIBLE SAID LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU, THAT WASN’T NO MISTAKE AT ALL. that was done purposely, the devil has an agenda and you are going to see him {Satan} do it more and more openly in the media under the law of freedom of speech. but Gods group will not be deceived because THEY WILL STAY WITH THE WORD SATAN WILL NEVER OUT DO GOD NOR WILL HE PULL ONE OVER ON HIM. SAINTS DO YOU SEE THE TWO GROUPS ON EARTH WORKING?  JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAID IT WOULD BE.

The Bible is not one volume and it wasn’t written for one time.  Savage’s argument is silly and without merit. 

 He is making an obscure reference to the late Hitchins who claimed atheist is a person who doesn’t believe God exists but mightily wishes He did. He called himself an anti-theist, who knows God doesn’t exist. Jeff read with preconceived notions, no analysis and no understanding. The prism of distortion he read through left him in the dark.

What people like Dan Savage fail to realize is that God does not care what his opinions are.  God respects no person’s opinions, and He doesn’t have to, nor will He.  God has defined sin/unrighteousness (see the 10 Commandments for example), and that is the standard by which He will judge each person. 
Any person who passes from this life without a saving faith in Christ will be instead judged according to his/her deeds in the physical life.  If you broke even one of God’s laws (hint: it’s impossible not to have), you will be separated for eternity from God. 
God is fully aware that the vast majority of people will choose to reject His message (and warnings) out of pure fleshly rebellion just as His “stiff-necked” people did for thousands of Old Testament years, even though many of them had firsthand witness of His presence and authority. 
For the overwhelming majority of people, this world as it exists today is as good as it’s going to get, no matter how good or bad that is.  For those who respond to Christ’s draw in repentance, this life is an opportunity to spread the Gospel in prayerful hope of many more saved souls before going to live in peaceful existence with our Creator forevermore.  Read Matthew 7:13-14 for context…choose life.

This guy is a bully.  He should not have a platform for anything.  God is not mocked, and Dan in time will come to learn that.

Don Savage is the hypocritical pansy ass.

 You said you don’t tolerate intolerance. You are therefore intolerant. Homosexuals have equality under the law. All (men) are created equal, they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights….life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”  They can leave property to other gays by a will; they can make legal and medical decisions for each other (power of attorney). They have NO right to force anyone to accept their sexual activity or choices. I tolerate gays (toleration meaning allowing to exist that which I personally abhor) I will NOT be forced to change the meaning of toleration to acceptance and giving gays special and more rights than they are entitled to as human beings.

 ”because of the hardness of your hearts…..” God worked with cultures as they existed until the New Covenant where He became Man, suffered as men do and died to pay for the sins of the world. That is not lackluster. The Old Testament  laws were to show man’s inability to reach salvation through laws, to prophesy and foretell the coming of the Messiah, and to relate history. You lack understanding……among other things

Well, it’s seems clear that the left is trying to frame the narrative as the big bad Christian right against the poor little persecuted homosexuals.  And the administration is using bullied, bullies to do their dirty work on the impressionable youth.  The more Christians try to justify objections Biblically, the more the left use it as a hate card to demonize the Christian right.   It’s a trap that must be avoided by understanding the far left’s strategy to use homosexuals to suite their own ends. 

Most people don’t form their objection to homosexualty because of religion, they form it out of a sense of natural sexual relationships.  Religion gets pulled into the arguement out of love for the souls of the potentially lost and it usually implies condemnation.  Once religion is cornered into condemning homosexual acts as immoral, a persecution is manufactured and a victim is created.  This victimization demands to be recognized as a legitimate civil rights violation and labels all objections to it, be it secular or religious, as inequality.  Once the majority accepts this manufactured premise as true, then anyone who objects is considered a bigot.

We are getting very close to this reality.  

Granted, their are homosexuals who are treated badly for many ignorant reasons, but I don’t think it’s mainly because of religion.  Actually, it can be argued that Christians are the most tolerant toward them.  The issue of inequality is always and only raised because of gay marriage.  Civil unions are widely accepted and usually have all the benefits that married couples enjoy, but marriage is the key to the hidden agenda behind the phony civil right.

Once gay marriage is considered mainstream and normal, the real persecution will start.  Anyone who objects to homosexualtity will be considered a bigot who is commiting a hate crime.  Religious institutions will be forced to change their beliefs or else.  Does this sound familiar to you.  It should.  The Catholic church is in the middle of a similar battle right now over health care.  It’s no coincedence that this battle started so quickly with the new healthcare law that the administration is desperately trying to make mainstream and permanent. 

Ultimately, orthodox faith is the last line of defense to preserve our liberty.  The attacks are here and coming.  Now is the time for truth to set all free.            

 Again, if you understood literary analysis and employed it, you wouldn’t say such foolishness. Stating homosexuality as one of many sins has nothing whatever to do with Talmudic law about stoning. Did you find any passage that said the sin of homosexuality required punishment by stoning? You are being illogical, irrational and irrelevant. BTW, the “disobedient children” was and is known to be disrespect of a most egregious nature by adult children, a very different matter altogether than your implication. Christians are not picking and choosing what to treat as reality. You are creating conflict and contradiction where there are none.

Why are you arguing the Bible?  This man is almost 60yrs old and he chooses to berate the bible to a captive audience of teens. Do you think he would have done this to a group of adults? No he wanted to look cool in front of impressionable youths. Do you not see what his point was? Gay is cool and Christians are pansy asses.  Do you think for one minute this man would have the guts to stand in front of a group of Muslims and tell them about the bullshit in the Koran.  He is a tool for the left. this is their plan.

You are not fit for civil discourse….

 You are vicious, stupid, irrational, illogical, uneducated, contradictory ….there are not enough words to describe your lack of anything valuable. You are a vacuum, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing….

Has Dan Savage gone anywhere near a Koran? How do Muslims feel about homosexuality?  While he’s ripping apart Christians in particular, there are other belief systems that are just as strict or even more strict. Instead of gay bashing, this is Christian bashing. Then again, in the last days, this is what will happen.  I applaud those who left the building because they exercised their right not to be bullied by someone who is running an anti-bullying campaign and bullying them in the process.  How Ironic.

 Try to be rational. You have no evidence of anything. You believe in nothing. You insisted that Krauss has the answer and “proof” that God does not exist, that something (the universe) came from nothing. That is his theory, not proof and he undermined himself, his science, the atheist/science community and his belief in nothing by defending his pedophile buddy Epstein, using his flawed and false scientific methodology, and you think you can get anyone to think in your “rational way”? You are irrational, illogical at best. I have considered the evidence and have concluded that you are a fool and that if believing in God is irrational, I’d far rather be that than the fool you are, whose only joy is the false idea that you have all the answers and need to harass and lie to anyone who has a moral compass and the joy of believing in God. You little nothing-you cannot change anything or have any influence on anybody with any intelligence. You are a scorpion at best, you may sting and poison but in the end, you get crushed and sway no one.

JeffGrubb, The scriptures describes homosexuality NOT as a “sin”, but as being an abomination to God. If you are comfortable with that …so be it.
 
Your disjunctured reference to the stoning of disobedient children of God is from the Old Testament, and doesn’t even come close to the instruction of Jesus, in the Christianity of the New Testament.
 
You really need to take a deep breath and learn about that about which you pontificate.

I pray that Dan Savage will change his surname – “Savage”. How about “iel (IEL). A new name – “Dan Iel” or Daniel. So he’ll have God’s wisdom. If he choose not to seek God – let him be thrown in a lion’s den. Surely, he’ll be eaten up. Also, the school’s administration should be responsible. They should screen their speakers. Speakers that will add knowledge to the students to be the person God’s wants them to be and not to hate, to be egoistic and conform to this world. Speakers that will impart or focused on what they can contribute to society, to have a purpose in life and not focused more on their defects. Better yet, Mr. Savage should let the students watch “Patch Adams”. 

And to all the parents of those students who attended and happily listened to Dan Savage’s lies and deceitful speech, should rewired the minds of your children. Speak and point them to the only One who can provide all their needs. Read the Bible (our guide to live life and not just to exist), with them. You are the first who should be responsible for you were entrusted and blessed by God, to rear these children. You are accountable to your Creator. 

Those students who walked out are impressive. They know how to guard the ear-gates. They know how to discern.  

 You make some excellent points Betty, but I will have to disagree with you on some. To say that a man cannot save himself and then turn and say that Christians are people who know they can no longer do it on their own is a contradiction. The Bible teaches us that man has no more ability to save himself eternally than he does to damn himself eternally. We came into the world in the image of God, but by Adam and Eve’s transgressions we are all doomed eternally until the mighty hand of God reaches down to save us, not by our works, but by his grace (Rom 9:13-16). People want to misuse John 3:16 as a way to keep themselves in the equation. He didn’t die for the whole world past, present and future (every man, woman, and child in existence from the beginning of time to the end). He died for the world of his elect (Eph 1:3-5).

John 3:16 also brings me to my next point. To say that God loves everyone who has ever or who will ever exist is to say that God is a hypocrite. When you get a chance read Psalms 5:4-6. These verses along with several others are often ignored by those who want to believe that God only loves and never hates. God is not the author of confusion. He didn’t destroy Sodom & Gomorrah because he loved them. He did it because of their sin was unforgivable. People tend to forget that hell is not an eternal punishment for those who do not choose him in this life. If we are all children of God and he loves us all, the only thing to infer is that we are all Heaven bound, otherwise Jesus’ death was in vain. He died for the sins of ALL his CHILDREN. If even one sheep is lost then Jesus’ death was of no affect.

“But homosexuality is a sin in the bible and God is not going to change
his mind just because it’s popular today – that’s the way it is.  You
either believe the bible is the Word of God or you don’t.  Christians
are saved by grace so sacrifice and stoning are not in the new testament
– but love for God and each other is.  Love the Lord your God with your
whole heart, mind and soul.  In Christianity, the body is the temple of
God… the Holy Spirit comes to live in us…”

These are all great statements, but then that’s where you go the way most people go, “when we accept Jesus Christ…” There is no place in the Bible that says man has to accept Jesus, or else. This is simply man doing what he does best, and what churches have done for a very long time, and that is to put his own spin on God’s salvation. Man is dead in trespasses and in sin, not partly dead, yet partly alive just enough to make a decision. Making a mental decision for or against Christ is a work. “Not by works, lest any man boast.” Eph 2:9.

The rest of your statements are also great points. But one thing to remember is that we love God because he first loved us. Not the other way around. God has to be present before we understand what true love is. God is not going to come in, take out the stony heart and put in a heart of flesh just so that we can say, “I don’t want this.” Only a false god would perform such and act. It’s a change of heart, not a change of mind. Life must precede action. Therefore, the difference in a Christian and a non-Christian is the presence of God. A Christian knows he can do it because with God all things are possible. A non-Christian is still dead, therefore they are not going to care what God thinks or does. Dan Savage is a non-Christian. He doesn’t care. Christians are wasting their time engaging in any form of debate when it comes to God and the Bible.

There is one more thing I would like to add. When you get a chance look up the definition of grace. I think Webster still defines it as “unmerited favor”, meaning you did nothing to warrant it. Again, “Not by works.”

Profanity again? Use your words. Sorry, you don’t have any.

 Knowledge of the atom is recent. Doctors did not accept germ theory (actually bacteria) until very recently. Darwin did not know either. Does that make him stupid? Actually he was, almost as intellectually dishonest as you, but not because he didn’t talk about or know atoms and germs.

 That does not make the “guys that wrote the bible” stupid because they didn’t talk about germs or atoms as such, but if you had ever actually read it, they did know and write about things that were not “discovered” until 1600-1900 years later. They didn’t pretend to “scientific” knowledge, but where they touched on areas of biology or astronomy or geology, the Bible has been proven correct. Every attempt to discredit specific statements in the Bible regarding history, biology etc. has resulted in proving the statements accurate. So, those things which are unprovable by science are most likely to be true, if the specific details that can be proven or disproven are proved to be true or can’t be discredited. On an evidential basis, the Bible is credible. Of course, you wouldn’t know the rules of evidence or what constitutes evidence. All you can do is employ your limited, offensive, profane vocabulary in your feeble attempt to be acknowledged. You poor pathetic waste of time.

 You are, but the Bible is not.

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I sincerely hope this offends you. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.”

You might not believe in God, but he believes in you.

I’m certain the police will. 

 They already knew the truth, and you and Savage are ignorant fools.

 Learn to spell. He was not quoting the Bible, he was willfully misrepresenting the Bible. He bothers me, so it is simple, I won’t listen to his vile nonsense.

Anti-theist does not mean “someone who knows there isn’t a god.” Anti-theist is someone who stands against the irrationality of theists.

An ADULT at an anti-bullying meeting was BULLYING YOUTH. Full stop. As a parent of any of these kids being subjected to this kind of backwards ethics, I would be pounding on the door of that school office and demanding that this guy submit an apology, and that he never be asked back, and even FIRED from whatever job he is supposedly doing. This is inexcusable behavior for someone being brought in to speak to young people in a position of authority. I pray for those who had the integrity to walk out with heads held high.

Thanks for making my point for me, the_publius. That description of homosexuality also comes from the Old Testament. It doesn’t even come close to the instruction of Jesus.

Here, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdAZjD_01fI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You have serious mental issues dude.  Take some a sabbatical to somewhere like oh I don’t know….Danbury Ct. and stop at Martino’s and have some pizza while you listen to some Rockwell music.  I’ve got this feeling sombody’s…….

Matthew 5:11-16.

Hahahaha

Here is what I love. The Christian god was once not against slavery. And instead of examining that fault and realizing he doesn’t exist, you justify his abhorrent position with technicalities.

I LOVE not having to justify an absurd god.

 What makes an adult? Voting? Then most except a few seniors are children. Drinking legally? They are still children. Criminal activity, like shooting each other, drugs, theft? Still children.
You project too much. The only fairyland is in your head. You do not know what constitutes Christianity, the central fact of Christianity. You do not know why the kids (children you acknowledge by your choice of words). You assume too much. If you knew anything, you would know that Christians are admonished to seek the truth, to know the truth, to use their minds and wisdom to justify their faith. You are so afraid of the truth, so afraid that Christians might actually have the truth, know the truth, you have to degrade, denigrate, profane and in general act the fool to try to avoid dealing with the possibility you could be wrong. You pathetic waste of space and time. Like a dog turns to his vomit, you turn to your folly …….

No he does not undertand Christianity or the whole Bible in fact.  Have you ever noticed that Christians never get angry because others don’t believe in Christ?  But have you ever noticed how angry most atheists get at the mention of Christ?  I mean really, if someone believed in the tooth fairy, you would not be angry with them, you would either laugh them or pity them.  But when they get angry, they prove his existence because nobody in their right mind gets angry at something that does not exist. 

As the Bible (or Book of Mormon, can’t remember which) says, “Good will be called evil and evil will be called good.” Homosexual engagement is a sin. Period. The feelings in and of themselves are not; they’re something that you should work to overcome, though.  I am not a bully and would never bully someone for being gay. However, someone who preaches that gays, or anyone else for that matter, should not be bullied, and then bullies people himself for something that he doesn’t agree with is a hypocrite. Who does he expect to take advice from a hypocrite? I’m thinking that his campaign should be renamed to “It gets better so long as you’re not Christian.”

Exactly, and why would the world have such a problem with Christianity over all other religions, even those religions such as Islam who would kill homosexuals in a New York second? And do..Because Satan is not afraid of the other religions which belong to him. Only Christ has the power to destroy Satan. Christ is the only living God..All others are dead men or idols..All people even atheist have the DNA of God and deep in their soul they know the truth but deny it so they can sin,, Christianity is a reminder of that sin and they don’t want to feel guilty or give up their  sin life..They don’t want to have to answer to anyone or anything for their actions so they lie to themselves so they don’t have to face facts. The Truth is the Bible..The Bible is not easy to understand for someone who tries to read it for the first time without bible scholars and preachers to teach them .. There is a ton of great books out there that explain much more than can be told on here.. So much and so exciting.

May God Bless those kids who had the the charachter to walk out on that evil man. All Christians should be so strong..

For the benefit of man at different times God would show how we cannnot keep the law and thus are in need of his grace, yet God may always opt for judgment. As he said “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy”. Those kids that walked out, gives me a little hope about the future.

 Grant,I myself have similar beliefs as you to a point. When you said Jesus didn’t die for the whole world,I just can’t see it that way. John 3:17 says “For God sent not his Son into the World to condemn the World;But that the world through Him Might me saved,”  Key word that i see is “Might” never said all  or most  would be saved, But even if one were saved from certain damnation, Wouldn’t it be worth it?

Somehow I imagine it doesn’t ever get better for this character. Here he is, allegedly an adult, bullying a bunch of high school kids. Clearly he is very disturbed by his own choice of lifestyle.

Anybody here have teen agers at home? Wow, those kids who got up and walked out are amazing! Somebody is doing something right if there were that many teen agers present with a back bone. God bless em.

Some say there is no God or heaven, but I can say for sure that there is a devil / satan at work in the world. I just saw and heard a small  example. God rules heaven, Satan rules the world. The battle lines are being drawn, soon you’ll have to makeup your mind. Whether to except the mark of the beast or the salvation of your soul. 

This is true freedom of choice, life or death, both figuratively and in reality. 

Allowing Christian bashing political activists to speak at public high schools is hypocritical when Christianity itself has been banned from there.

Maybe they could have discussed Biblical passages that the sodomite was referring to with “a thick skin” but we can never say because to do so would result in some school official losing their job.

Such hate speak is only allowed in this context, where good is determined to be evil and evil is the new good.

BTW, what gay folks are “dying” because of Christians who read and believe in their Bible?  

Is this a phase in the separation of the wheat from the chaffe?

He’s a member of the left ideology, he can say whatever he likes with impunity.

The problem, you do not know the diffference between love and sex! This is why so many of you say you love the 10 year old boy and have sex with them… perversion…selfishness …. if I want it it can be bad….. no real caring about others….just your lust and greed

Obama is a fake Christian… he worships Lucifer…. and as his father’s dream, hates the US….. a real Chritian does not do the tyhings that he has like support the execution of babies that survive abortions! Preach hate and division as he does and support the redfining of the word marriage….the con man!

This shows how little you know of the bible and what the Christian God endorsed!

Hmm.. lots of pro vs.anti Christianity in these comments. The main issue is as an anti-bullying presentation being focused solely on bullying Christians. It does not matter who Savage decided to get down on, Making fun of someone’s beliefs, for any reason, is bullying.

Nothing was said about violent bullies who intimidate and destroy lives, sometimes to the point of suicide. Nothing was said of the cliques that ridicule those that don’t belong. Nothing was said of those who always intimidate those that are not as smart or good looking or athletic or for whatever reason is decided they don’t make the cut. Besides all that, I did not believe that schools were a place to promote or denigrate any religions.

What really troubled me in this video was the cheering as Savage continued to ridicule those students who disagreed with him. Those who decided not to listen to their religion being torn apart. (bullying?) Were the Christian students going around the school bashing gays and discriminating against them? Were they the bullies that needed to be shamed? I think not. I think it is all those that went along with this that were the bullies and deserve to feel shame.

The promotion of atheism and the fight against spirituality being taught in the schools today, falls right in with the Marxist anti-individual rights that our children are being indoctrinated with. Soon it will not just be anti-religion. They will tear down anything they do not agree with.

He still has to call you at least that it how it worked with
me. Thank you for your service to this country sir.

You don’t understand why God did it to begin with my guess is that it was done because God knew that they would not give it up. He did the same thing for divorce he found the practice of divorce sickening but yet he put it in the law as legal. In fact Jesus said this about divorce Mathew 5: #31-32 it has been said anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery”
Now he also explained somewhere else the only reason why God aloud divorce was because we are childish compared to God and that why he illegalized it. Slavery is another one of those things that he did not really liked but yet was aloud I mean why he would command us to love our enemy and our neighbor as ourselves. Oh and one more thing that passage he talked about in first Timothy is a bold face lie it was not instructions for a slave owner it was for the slaves themselves. I wished you left winger actually read our holy book and learned our customs before you started criticizing us.

Amen!

Do you have a problem with the truth? See dumb ass we don’t follow the Old Testament if you sat in church for eight years you would know that moron and even know why. Oh yah that’s right you were in a church that was following some guy named lesus and thought it was Christianity.

I don’t believe a venom spewing demon could have said it any better than Savage did. His hate is festering inside him and will destroy him eventually. He doesn’t like God’s word because he chooses to live a sinful life.

Christ Jesus is the new and everlasting covenant. What he is speaking of is the old covenant, the ten comandments. There is just but one comandment now, Love others the way I have loved you. Thats it. All our sins are washed away with the blood of Christ.

I did not write that God felt it necessary to be put in the Bible. How do we know what type of men they were who wrote that part? It was inspired by God!!

I am also a Christian and proud of it!!! He has Risen and Lives!!!

Christians are told that they should accept everything in the Bible and not add or take away. Dan Savage does exactly that in my opnion by not explaining the Bible correctly to people who may not have a knowledge of what it says. He takes certain verses and uses them for his purpose. He never even mentions that those laws were done away with, with the ressurection of Jesus. Christians do not live by the Old Law because part of the reason Jesus had to be crucified was so that God alone becomes the center of the religion, not practises or traditions.

I am PROUD of the students who had the courage to stand up and leave because this speaker offended them.  He was SUPPOSED to be the adult in the room, and because he was using his position to BULLY students (isn’t THAT ironic?), they did exactly what they should have done.  In fact, where was the administration representatives who ALLOWED this to happen to their students?  WHY didn’t someone STOP this man from trying to degrade a portion of their student body?  Where are the outraged parents who should be at the school screaming their lungs out that the school permitted another adult to mentally abuse these students?  They should ALL be fired!!!

If the shoe had been on the other foot, and the speaker had stood up there railing against the gay students, singling them out to criticize and calling them names, there would have been h*ll to pay from the left.   So WHERE is their outrage in this matter?  There isn’t any because they condone what he said not only about the Bible but the name calling as well. 

So I say these students are indeed courageous and represent our hope for America’s future – the new leaders of this country.  They KNOW what they believe in, they KNOW they don’t have to sit quietly and take it like students did even five years ago, and they KNOW there are millions of Americans who feel the same way they do who are giving them a “thumbs up!”

God Bless these students – their parents should be so proud that their buttons are popping off their shirts!!  Glen is right . . . . God’s guidance and goodness indeed abounds in the most surprising places!

From a historian point of view I will say this, Slavery then WAS NOT like slavery was in the United States.  Slaves then were often prisoners of war that were forced into labor and did amazing things! Like building the Pyrimids of Giza. Also, Slaves that were not prisoners of war most likely sold themselves into slavery!! They did this to provide for their families, or maybe they didn’t have a family or a home and slavery was the only way to ensure they had food and shelter.  Look at facts and history before you go off talking and 99% of the time are later proven WRONG….btw, you are only proving that Christianity is right because in the Bible it clearly states that people (i.e. YOU) are SUPPOSED to hate Christianity!! Jesus said to his disicples, “ The world hates you, but remember that it hated me first!”  So thank you JeffGrubb for proving that my religion is correct.

“When a man sells his daughter into slavery, she is not to go free as the men do.”

http://bible.cc/exodus/21-7.htm

I find it amusing that those who scream the loudest about God’s shortcomings don’t really know a single thing about him!!!  Here is a little tidbit you might want to consider:  He LOVES you not matter what, and it is up to YOU whether you enter the gates of Heaven or not!!  Many a person has defied him to the bitter end only to submit when the chips are down because it is easier to believe in life after death through Jesus than to believe that this is . . .  “IT” !!!!!!

“The Christian god was once not against slavery.” . . . . “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”  God doesn’t go around with a whip and “shape us up” if we chose not to follow his word.  He just patiently waits for us to come to our senses, providing gentle nudges along the line.  Apparently you are going to be more difficult and he may really have his work cut out for him, but don’t worry, he won’t give up on you EVEN if you give up on yourself!

It is ultimately YOUR choice:  no one I know is FORCING you to believe in God.  But in reverse, you do not seem to allow for the same measure of respect to others:  you want to force us to NOT believe in God.  Whether I believe in God or not has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Consider this: these students did not protest by yelling or throw objects at the speaker.  No, they chose the stand up and quietly walk out while the speaker made rude comments and called them names all the way out the door.  Is there a law somewhere that says you must sit and endure such intimidation?  If the speaker had made fun of non-believers and called them names, would you have sat there or quietly walked out or would you have screamed, yelled and thrown something at the offender?

We will see if the “Occupy” groups will be so respectful in the days to come!!!  Good Luck, Jeff.  God is watching!

Let’s see Dan Savage speak out against islam that actually DOES stone people to death, and kill homosexuals.  But the spineless jellyfish is scared to.

Why are they allowing someone like Dan Savage speak before High School children??? The conference group should be ashamed to allow someone to speak about Bullying and that same speaker does the Bullying against Christian children… Kudo’s to all the children who stood up and walked away, that is what anti-Bullying should be taught, walk away from your abuser such as Dan Savage…..Savage and his kind are nothing more than scum from the bottom of a barrel of Bull S***

What an absolutely hate-filled rant by a total jerk!!!

But they did handle the criticism.  They were not in a forum where they could speak out their disagreements.  It would have been the height of rudeness and it would have likely gotten them kicked out anyway.  They handled the criticism by leaving quietly.  But did you notice they- these Christians- attended an anti-bullying seminar held by a gay man in the first place?  Did their purported “wrong” bible have them bullying him or treating him with disrespect?  No.  He treated them with disrespect, resulting in their quietly leaving.  It did end up being somewhat disruptive, but that was due to the large numbers of people leaving.  If only the liberals would respond so politely when they disagree with a speaker… 

Jeff, just your statement of not tolerating intolerance is intolerant.

Dan Savage is a disgusting piece of humanity.He knows he is a pervert & wants to drag everyone he can down with him.  Misery loves company. People who listen to him spew his vileness & hatred  are to be   pitied.

Grant, I think you misunderstood some of my post – I understand very well what grace means and especially the grace of God – which is why I spoke of man’s works – but I don’t think you understood fully and I don’t want to go there again.  And as far as believing in Jesus Christ – Jesus said that no man will come to Father but by me.  I think that is pretty clear – there are other passages that also back this up. 

There is a sense in which God loves everyone in the whole world (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8). This love in not conditional—it is based only on the fact that God is a God of love (1 John 4:8, 16). God’s love for all of mankind results in the fact that God shows His mercy by not immediately punishing people for their sins (Romans 3:23; 6:23). God’s love for the world is manifested in the fact that He gives people the opportunity to repent (2 Peter 3:9). However, God’s love for the world does not mean He will ignore sin. God is also a God of justice (2 Thessalonians 1:6). Sin cannot go unpunished forever (Romans 3:25-26).The most loving act of eternity is described in Romans 5:8; “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Anyone who ignores God’s love, who rejects Christ as Savior, who denies the Savior who bought him (2 Peter 2:1) will be subject to God’s wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love (Romans 6:23). God loves everyone unconditionally in that He shows mercy to everyone by not destroying them immediately because of sin. At the same time, God only has “covenant love” for those who place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (John 3:36). Only those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will experience God’s love for eternity.Does God love everyone? Yes. Does God love Christians more than He loves non-Christians? No. Does God love Christians to a different extent than He loves non-Christians? Yes. God loves everyone equally in that He is merciful to all. God only loves Christians in that only Christians have His eternal grace and mercy and the promise of His forever love in heaven. The unconditional love God has for everyone should bring us to faith in Him, receiving in thankfulness the great conditional love He grants all those who receive Jesus Christ as Savior. 

No one wants to be preached to Crazy Betty.  Christian or not what this guys behavior is disgusting.

pond scum

You are saying there cannot be romantic love between two male thirty year olds? And are you saying what I do in my private life with my life long parter to you is like pedophilia? Where do you get off? Your standard is not higher, it’s pure bigotry.

Hey bully dan just because were christian’s does NOT mean we won’t kick your ass if you go to far tough guy !
Think about it I’ve never come across a true christian who thought they are JESUS !
Even our LORD JESUS CHRIST got very mad when people like you ran there mouth’s and then collected tax’s in the FATHER”S house !
your just a pussy who want’s respect !! earn it coward !!!!!

I don’t believe that living what we talk is “pushing” the matter on anyone.  If believing that homosexual living is a sin and we choose not to live in this matter, that in no way is “pushing” it on anyone.  The bible states this in several passages and as believer in God’s word, then this is how we will live.  Keeping in mind that no one is perfect and that we make mistakes, but it is a daily “fight” that we go through in life and it isn’t going to get any easier. 
God’s word says that the testing of our faith developes perseverance so that we may be complete not lacking anything.  So kuddos to those who walked out, God walked out with you!
No weapon formed against you shall prosper.

Jesus taught us that there would always be men and women like this man, hearts of hate and bitterness, who would put people down for their beliefs. I wouldn’t want to be him when he has his day of judgment.  Jesus spoke about how we should live our lives and avoid the heart ache or sinful garbage we would have to carry around forever, but with forgiveness that burden will be lifted. Even this man can be forgiven, but he should not have been allowed to speak at a high school setting like this. He wanted this kind of reaction and he got it. He made fun of those students who stood up for their beliefs and higher moral  standards than this man happens to have. Those young people represent the “best of our country” because they refused to listen to this man’s hate and anti-Christianity or faith in a power beyond ourselves. I don’t know any atheists hiding in a fox-hole or super war heroes. We don’t need anymore bullies in the schools. Too many administrators are allowing these kinds of people into the schools and yet, those who have much higher moral standards and promote unity and freedom of religion/speech are excluded from the schools. Positive role models need to come back and talk with the students about Educational Opportunities like sciences, math, tech. Stop the bullies and those who want to strip American of her traditions, beliefs and traditional values for the ANTI-GOD, Anti-American kind of people like Obama and his administration. If not for this group of people, I don’t think the schools would have allowed so many of their kind in the door. Schools should be a learning place, not a political platform for Liberals. 

To Glenn Beck (and I do hope you actually read this):

I do enjoy your shows and your rants from time to time and
occasionally you hit on an issue that needs to be talked about and I do pay
attention.  But on this point with Dan
Savage, you are way out of your league and way off base.

It is very sad this event is even a talking point.  It is funny how both the left and the right
accuse each other of sensationalizing events and things that happen in this
world in order to push their own agenda … all the while absolutely denying
the simple fact they are doing the same exact thing they accuse others of. 

I watched the video and saw absolutely no attacks and he
certainly did not call any ‘student’ a pansy-ass … he called the
“reaction” of the students walking out “pansy-ass”.  Was he criticizing religion? Yes.  What he a bit harsh about it?  Yes.  Did he need to say ‘pansy-ass’? No.  Does religion deserve to be criticized?  Looking at the state of things all over the
world with religious bias, holy wars, and everyone destroying each other over
who’s imaginary friend is better …  I
would have to say YES, all religion absolutely deserves to be criticized.  Does the topic deserve to be debated from
both points of view? Yes. 

How hypocritical irresponsible can you possibly be to even
“try” to report on this?  The
fact that you can get on TV and radio and criticize scumbags like Jackson and
Sharpton (rightfully so I might add) for demonizing Zimmerman and a few weeks
later, go on your own show and demonize Dan Savage is absolutely despicable and
you should be ashamed.  I honestly do not
know how you sleep at night sometimes. 
You are doing the same thing you accuse the left of and because it is
making you of money and fuels the engine of hatred, you continue to perpetuate
your fear mongering extreme radical right message rather than just doing the
right and reasonable thing and taking the high ground.  You CANNOT take the high ground when you
continue to walk in the sewers with the rest of the scum on this planet.

Glenn, at one point you stated that this was an example of indoctrination!
WHAT? Are you kidding me? Do you even know what indoctrination means and how it
is applied?  Surely ‘Glenn Beck’ knows
since he was promoting all the documentaries on the Islamic threat showing how
young children, from the time of birth are raised in that faith, a faith they
have no choice in.   Hmmm, wait a minute;
Christian’s do the same thing!  They raise
their kids in Sunday school and Wednesday night sermons in a faith they have no
choice in and then have their children go out into to the world to recruit
others to their faith and eventually raise their own children the same way…
hmmm!  Me thinks indoctrination!  Go back a few hundred years and the Puritans
where burning people at the stakes accusing them of witchcraft … but
Christians do not like to talk about that either!  Stating PURE FACT and CONTRADICTION taken
from the very text of the book the religious profess their faith in, is NOT
indoctrination, it is enlightenment. When people choose to ignore those facts,
that is not faith it is blind ignorance. 
Religion is the blindfold of ignorance that is destroying this great
country and so many others from within.

Dan Savage’s message was, like I said, a bit harsh but
absolutely nothing inaccurate in his message and certainly nothing he should apologize
for.  He simply pointed out the one thing
the religious right hates most … Facts, and the Truth!  And for that we need to make a spectacle of
him?  The worst part is that you are
accusing him of attacking religion (there was no attack … he was stating
facts) while at the same time you are able to attack him and his non-belief in
the bible.  That takes skill and a level
of hypocrisy that that I believe only you could accomplish.  But keep going Glenn, if you try hard enough
you may even be able to incite good people to do very bad things as religion
has done throughout history (just like Jackson and Sharpton have done with the
shooting in Florida).  Since I am now
hearing other morning radio personalities try to cash in on the rhetoric, I
expect we will have to read in the paper somewhere that an innocent kid will be
beaten or killed for nothing more than being an atheist.  Will you report on that if it happens?  Will you criticize your ‘Christian brethren’
if it happens?  Will you even make an
effort to see if your message is inciting hatred?  Of course you won’t because you never seem to
look at the consequences of your own actions and the things you say… at least
from what I have seen thus far.

Look, I grew up in the church and though my ‘own’ life
experiences have become atheist in my beliefs. 
I am not radical by no means but I am an Atheist, gun loving, freedom
fighting, 1st and second amendment advocate, Proud Veteran of the US ARMY,
pro-choice, and could care less if two gay guys/gals want to get married!  Despite all that, I am still conservative and
vote republican.  Bottom line is this …
The conservatives to not OWN religion and righteousness no more than the
Liberals OWN atheism – that is just ridiculous and yet a message you continue
to perpetuate.  A-Theism, meaning ‘without
theistic believes’, is abundant across both party lines and accounts for at
least 20% of the USA population – and this is just the people that admit to
being atheist (there are plenty of atheists in church pews).  We are no different that anyone else as we
just believe in 1 fewer god that you do! 
What truly separates us is that we are not trying to recruit everyone in
our path through fear of eternal damnation. 
You may try to say that Dan Savage was trying to recruit those poor
innocent students to atheism based solely on the brief sound bite you are letting
us see but that would be BS and you know it. 
If you doubt it try showing the ENTIRE un-manipulated presentation, if
you have the courage, as I am 100% positive the context of his message was not
taken fully into account.  What atheists
in general are tired of, is having religion shoved down our collective throats
at every given opportunity by the so called champions of the Conservative Right
as if it is some sort of litmus test to being conservative or even a ‘valid’
human being.  You cannot claim to be the
victim, you just can’t!  I have news for
you, speaking as a conservative atheist, Religion and belief in a god is not a requirement
to be a member of your club!

Dan Savages point is that people tend to not want to hear
the truth or even accept it despite it being right in front of them to
see.  In my opinion the reaction of
students walking out was ‘pansy-ass’ … they should have stayed and opened up
the discussion. Did he need to use that language?  No he did not! (I am lock-step with you on
that point).  Does Dan Savage deserve to
have reasonable people, as Glenn Beck professes to be one of, understand what
he was trying to say (just as you demand so often whenever a conservative is
attacked for something they say … think Ted Nugent)?  Yes he absolutely deserves that same consideration!  Does he deserve to be demonized by the all
mighty Glenn Beck?  No, I do not think
so.

Let’s pick our battles and arguments on topics that really
matter and get back to being focused on this country and getting Obama out of
office.  No Religion is required for
that, just common sense!

 Thank you, first of all, everyone for the wonderful, very constructive conversations. This, to me, is what Christianity is truly about.
In response to your verses, Betty, the distinction must be made between children and dead alien sinners. In most of the verses you pointed out there are the infamous words that most people consider to be an “all inclusive” word. The words “us” and “we” and “our” are not words that include the entire world of humans from beginning to end. These words are those of God’s children (His elect). An example of such a verse is Romans 5:8: “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” The Bible was not given as an instruction book on how man can save the world-at-large. The saving is done alone by God himself. The Bible is given to God’s children as way to walk in God’s way every day. People like Dan Savage are not going to understand because they haven’t been given the ability to understand. 1 Corinthians 2:14 says, “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” Unless you have received (and by received I mean have been given, not take at your own pleasure) the “gift of God”, you cannot understand the instruction of God. Now, the “gift of God”, as most people understand it, must be received. This is simply a way that man has to look at it because that’s all he understands. As I’ve heard most people explain it, it’s like a birthday gift or a Christmas gift. You have to accept it. God’s gift is not like a gift from someone you know. To say that we can turn down a gift from God is to say that we are stronger than God, thus dethroning him and placing ourselves in his stead. Jesus’ crucifixion was not a way to offer salvation to the whole world. It was an offering to God himself to appease his wrath toward man. Just as they did in the Old Testament by offering the firstborn animals to sacrifice, Jesus was offered up as a final sacrifice as a way to satisfy His own wrath to an “untoward” generation, just as he did with Sodom and Gomorrah. When it says “the world” in most of these verses, like John 3:16, He is talking to the world of His elect. In Jesus’ prayer in the garden in John 17, Jesus says, “I pray for them (the children). I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are yours.” The word “world” in the Bible has different meanings depending on the context in which is was written. All I was merely trying to point out is that there is a “world” full of people, like Dan Savage, who are not going to understand how God works. Their only reaction is going to be to mock God’s children and the Bible, just like they were persecuted in Jesus’ day and since the beginning of time. All we can do is be steadfast in the faith and pray that God will show His mercy to those he sees fit.
One last thing I would like to say is God does hate. He proves that in Romans 9:13. If you trace that verse to it’s origin,  Malachi 1:2-3, God goes on to say that not only did He hate Esau but “laid waste his mountains and his heritage for the jackals of the wilderness.” It is true. God is love. Especially those that know his love. But the Bible never says that God is love and only love. God is a wrathful and vengeful God. And as I’ve heard most people say, “Well, he didn’t really hate Esau.” You either have to take God at His entire word or not at all. I’ve also heard people say, “He did hate Esau, but he doesn’t hate anyone else.” Someone is going to have to explain to me how Esau is the only person in the existence of the world that God has hated.
Thank you again for the wonderful words and input.

If Christ, God in the flesh, could allow his flesh to be ripped from his bones, to be spit upon, beaten, hung on a cross and crucified…all the while forgiving and praying for the very people that did this to him, I better be able to find it in my heart to forgive and pray for this person that would stand in front of a room full of young students calling the Holy Bible bull shit.

He, like most people that use his line of reasoning, don’t understand the historical references to slavery at all. They certainly don’t understand the new covenant of Grace, and therefore always point back to Levitical law and legalism to make their case. They think of it as racial slave trading, like we had in Europe, Africa, early America, current sex slave trade, etc. You have to have context and historical understanding to discuss this topic correctly, and understand what it meant to be a “slave”.  Slave trading is condemned in the Bible. At the time Paul wrote the letter to the Romans, many experts agree that there were probably more “slaves” living in Rome than free men. It was a fact of life. Paul wasn’t given the task to end it, but to help people know how to relate to each other, whatever their position in life, through Christ.

 Lord, please open Mr. Savages eyes to understanding so that he may stop his hate crusade against you, and become a positive force for your will, instead of leading our children into the deception that it’s OK to sin. I know that your grace and power have no limitations, and that as surely as You reached me and saved me, You can also reach him. Lord, I ask you to bless him and help him find the only peace, through you, that can put out the flames of his hatred.  Amen.

This young man is so angry and Christ, Christians and the Bible are a convenient target. Tomorrow the target will be yet something else he is ignorant of.  
He is misguided, ill informed, ignorant and therefore like every other bigot who attacks and lashes out in an effort to assign blame rather than admit his own lack of understanding and tolerance. Tolerance is only practiced when it is politically correct in our “Brave New World”.Sounds like a song I heard sung by comedian Steve Martin entitled, Granny’s song. There’s a line about “criticizing things you don’t know about”. This is a perfect example. 

I am an adult. It is a word, nothing more. Grow up.

There are many ages through our history as fallen sinful beings (no, your great great grandad wasn’t an amoeba). God never intended for Jewish legalism to apply to post crucifiction gentiles, as an example. The Bible is clear that he doesn’t even intend for ancient Jewish legalism to even apply to Jews after his ultimate sacrifice was paid (work of the cross).  Yes, we should treat one part of the Bible the same as other parts. We should treat them as truth. But we shouldn’t treat them as if all subjects apply to all people, through all time. That would be ignorant, as the Bible is broken into many parts, that were meant to apply to certain people at certain times. If you took time to study the Bible, you would see how extremely clear this is made throughout. Yes, we all deserve to die. But Christ paid that debt for us, so that we may have life instead. If only we believe in him. This should be celebrated for the good news it is. 

I don’t have an incredibly thin skin. I do choose to live in truth. Part of that truth is that as Christians we will be persecuted and mocked, as Christ pointed out during His earthly ministry, and in end times prophecy. All over the world, Christians are being beaten, murdered, tortured and jailed, right now as I type. For 300+ years after His earthly ministry, the romans fed Christians to the lions in stadiums full of tens of thousands of people. For entertainment. They were dismembered and burned alive as lamp fuel for chariot races. In almost every case, they could have saved themselves by denouncing Christ. Few did. Almost all of Christs original followers, including Paul, were martyred in his names sake. Doesn’t sound thin skinned to me!

As much as you don’t like this . . . science you can’t do without, computers, cars, cell phones, etc. Science lets us know there might be a god . . . but not aqny of the orginized religions here on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan’s last name is very descriptive of his personality.

Amen Eve!

I have been asking the same question for years. Why don’t atheists go after muslims, budists, or hindus with such zeal and hatred as they do Christians? I don’t hear them comparing krishna to santa clause or alah to the easter bunny. I think I have the correct answer now.   Satan doesn’t need an angry army to mock and ridicule false religions. He already has those souls locked up. So, all his efforts are spent trying to separate believers from the one true God, through methods such as those displayed  in the above video.  We need to simply cling to the truth, seek the face of God, and do our best to be that city on the hill and light to the world. What the world choses to do with it is between them and the Lord.  We just need to love and pray for them.

 The students who walked out are the true hero’s of God.  I wish they all could have gotten a standing ovation.   Wouldn’t that have been so great if  that could have happened and then all those who clapped walked out too.

Isolating a religious group and ridiculing them at an anti-bullying campaign is a sign of incredibly poor judgment.

I LOVE you never having to justify your absurd rants. Hypocrite.

So, let me get this straight, this guy creates a group that is against bullying. Same said guy can bully because it’s against something he and you do not like? You are both hypocrites of the highest order.

Isolating a religious group and ridiculing them at an anti-bullying campaign is a sign of incredibly poor judgment.

It’s not about what the Bible says about anything. This is about someone comdemning bullying and then publicly insulting a set group of people. Talk about contradictions. It’s not ok to bully homosexuals, etc., but you can bully Christians? Where is the logic there? This guy should be ashamed of himself.

Solomon was on top of this thousands of years ago..when being inspired by God to write, “An unjust man is an abominatiown to the righteous, and he who is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked”. (Proverbs 29:27) Anytime, anyone pulls out scriptures out of context and seeks to make an issue of the one point rather than taking whats written in the whole content seeks to make a name for themselves-rather than the truth.
Unfortunately, this is nothing new-however, the world wide web makes big issues using little people.

He called my faith bullspit. As a liberal, Christian, gay rights supporter even I was offended.

 Then talk like an adult, an adult knows how to get his point across without profanity especially when there are children present.. a sign of a grown up is having self control something that you can use more of. there is a time and a place for all things and that wasn’t the time to go on a profanity rage. but, only a grown up would know that.

Guys, that isn’t bullying. Bullying is using superior strength or numbers to intimidate an individual.

He wasn’t picking on an individual.

Have none of you ever been seriously bullied?

You can’t treat the Bible like a salad bar, picking and choosing what you like and disregarding the rest.  If you have a problem with parts of it, take it up with the Author, not his followers.  He loves us all and desires that none perish, but we as humans have the choice to accept that or not.  Period.

 You said all human beings is going to be judged, My question is who will do the judging? and what is he going to judge us by? if there is no law, there can be no penalty. you cant charge a person for speeding if there is no law stating the there is a speed limit. so a person can not be found guilty in court of law for speeding unless the law was written before he committed the act. There for if what you said is true and i believe it is, then who ever this person is that’s going to do the judging. the only way he can be just and honest he would have to have a written law on record before the act was committed to just us by. there is no sin and no penalty for sin if there is no law that says it is sin. So there must be a book given to the human race first for a guide to go by, then that same book must be used to judge the human race by. not another book but, the same book. That’s the final exam, like we have in school, the teacher gives us the final exam from the same book we started the school year with. SO THE JUDGE BOOK OF LAWS MUST BE HERE ON EARTH SOMEWHERE.

 There is a story told about George Bernard Shaw who was approached by an atheist who was trying to start his own religion and the atheist didn’t understand why he couldn’t get the millions joining his religion that Christianity had.  Shaw reportedly an atheist, told him “Jesus died to start Christianity. I suggest you do no less”.
The central fact of Christianity is the death on the cross of Jesus to pay for the sins of the world and the Resurrection to bring salvation. This is central and essential to Christianity. NO other religion has any such claim, any such sublime and awesome central tenet. That is why Christianity (and Judaism for that matter, which is the vehicle by which knowledge of God and the Resurrection were foretold) is the main target of disbelievers.

Here’s something else to think about. If this had been a conservative (although we all know that a conservative being asked to speak at a public school is about as likely as the princess and the pea being an accurate historical account) and he mentioned the Bible and started quoting Bible verses, every liberal in the United States would achieve new, never-before-seen histrionics about “separation of church and state”.  Since those words are never used in the Constitution, there is a constant battle over the “intent” of the Founders.  In this case, though, there should be absolutely no argument because this bozo is speaking at a state funded high school, and he is attacking religion.  While this does not surprise me, the actual text of the first amendment reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.  This means that government has no right to hire someone to come into the school and attack the Bible or any other religious text, practice, etc.  Yet, this moron states that the reason it’s okay for him to do this is that he has “…a right to defend myself.” This assembly was probably mandatory.  No classes were held during the assembly and there would have been intense school mandated pressure to attend.  Not a single student attacked him, yet, he has the right to defend himself, including calling them “pansy asses”. By his reasoning, minor children are his enemy and whatever he deems necessary in order to “defend” himself is acceptable. But would he extend the same right to those students?  They were not standing in front of a large group of captive teenagers with their own bully pulpit in which they could force him to listen to them while they called him a “fag”, “princess”, “twinkletoes”, etc.  No, that would be HATE and worthy of expulsion from school, public humiliation and excoriation, and required apologies prior to readmittance. This is the realm of the liberal. And anyone who was forced into attendance, who did not disrupt his tirade in any way, did not call him names, did not rush the stage to seize the microphone, simply left respectfully…according to his way of thinking, they were attacking him.  He’s very “sorry” that they are pansy asses, but he has a right to defend himself against this obviously hateful group of teens who were not given a voice. If they had chosen to be there, if they had been disrespectful, if they had “crashed” the lecture, the actions of the speaker might have been justifiable.  And would the school give equal time to religion to defend itself against the tirade?  We all know the answer, but the “legal” reasoning would be “separation of church and state”.  In other words, in order to refute his quotation of Bible verses, they would have to quote Bible verses, thus, under the statutes of the law, they could not be allowed to exercise their freedom of speech because it might offend him and the school legally can’t allow this.  But, if it is the intent of the speaker to lambast believers with quotation of the Bible, it’s A-OK.  Oh, and by the way, since, for liberals, there is no such thing as liberal hypocrisy, there is no need to examine the actions of such a person and hold him accountable to the same standard.  Although I believe that he is a FANTASTIC speaker.  After all, I could not possibly have come up with a better object lesson in bullying. I wonder what would have happened if even one of those students had called him a name in reply to him calling them pansy asses. Under the law, that student would have been expelled.  In fact, under the current insanity infecting the United States legal establishment, those students could be tried as adults in federal court for HATE CRIMES.  And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call TOLERANCE.  To a liberal, tolerance means attacking, killing, stamping out, eradicating, etc, etc, etc, anyone who does not believe EXACTLY the same as they do.  Please, folks, just vote Democrat…It’s SO much easier than thinking.

I would like to know WHY he was allowed to do this?  WHO allowed this piece of garbage to say this and why wasn’t it demanded him to apologise. 
You know what one day this tick will drop dead, then reality will kick him right in the head.  He doesn’t have the balls to take on Allah and what’s funny if he was in a muslim country he would have been strung up, but see he is to much of a coward to go there and say the stuff they say here, just like the occupy movement.

You definition of anti-theist as someone who opposes the irrationality of theists is a bit strange. Did you come up with that all by your little self? Which theists are irrational? Bonhoffer,? He believed the Bible and Christianity was true, wrote some theological texts and opposed Hitler and Nazism and died for his beliefs. Are you willing to die for “anti-theism”?
You assume anyone who believes in God and Christianity and the Bible is irrational.  Do you assume that Muslims are irrational? How about Buddhists, Hindus?( I might agree that Muslims are irrational, but not because they believe in god, but because the god they believe, the Moon god, tells them to murder everyone who isn’t Muslim and that they are the ultimate bigots. )
What gives Jeff? What is your proof that you are rational and Christians are not?
If you are so rational , why did you only have a response of “Hahahahaha” to me when I very rationally explained I was tolerant of homosexuality, but that tolerance is NOT approval and that I would insist that tolerance not be redefined to be approval and that tolerance would not extend to granting of special or additional rights based on the choices and sexuality of homosexuals.
You are the bigot, against Christians, and a reverse bigot by insisting that not granting special additional “rights” to homosexuals is bigotry and discrimination. As human beings they have the same rights as any one else. Their lifestyle choices don’t change that.

Welcome to the party.

A friend of mine had been in Nam 20 yrs before and when we were discussing Christianity, he said that he had been shot down and was surrounded by enemy fire,” there was no way out. I prayed and prayed and God didn’t save me”. I asked him, if there was no way out, how did he get out and why was he here now, if God didn’t answer his prayers? Did he expect to be translated? There was dead silence for 5 minutes, when he meekly said “I guess God did answer my prayers”

Although I am a Christian, I also believe in karma.  This moron is nothing more than an intolerant effeminate who will definitely get its in due time.

…and goat turd.

Anyone associated with acquiring this guy should be removed and banned from ever being in the presence of children.

 I do relief work, I read the Bible, I work for a living. What do you do, beside take to the streets with the other scofflaws, harass people who actually believe in something, use profanity and make no sense?

I live in Washington State, people like Dan Savage are the one’s who have access to our kids.  . We are getting petitions together to boycott businesses that advertise with MTV. Dan Savage also made a comment that he wished all Repulicans would F——- die. No one said anything about that, I have decided that christians are discriminated against because we do not take a stand,.MTV hired this guy to have influence over our young people, this person who is full of hate.  Can you imagine the impact we would have if all Christians stopped using products that are associated with companies that advertise with MTV. If we blocked MTV and didn’t allow it in our homes. What if we took our kids out of public schools because they allow bullying of Christians and conservatives.

 Not even you really believes that idiocy. You never hear of CHRISTIANS stoning because:  Jesus said “let he who is without sin, cast the first stone” so, NO, I am not under God’s orders to stone anyone for anything. No Christian or even Jew is under any such law.
 BTW, have you ever violated a law, one that you, as a citizen (you are a citizen arn’t you?) are obligated to obey and you did NOT get punished by what the law calls for? Why do you think that just because a law is in the code and there is a punishment for breaking that law, that invariably that law has to be obeyed or punishment is REQUIRED to be meted out? (ie stoning?) Laws exist, punishment is set after trial and God’s mercy prevails. You are so illogical, irrelevant and asinine.
A little enlightenment: : The stoning to death has been done by Muslims, recently. They also
beheaded a woman and a man on allegations of adultery. They hang and/or
castrate homosexuals.

The problem, like I said in my earlier post is that you and many others have entirely missed the context of the message Dan Savage was presenting. Instead you immediately jump on the “How Dare He” bandwagon blindly (much like you do with your faith) without ever really examining the evidence and asking the tough questions. I really do wish the public video would have shown the entire speech and not just the part that is sure to get every religious person riled up to the point they want to string him up like the Muslims would do (paraphrasing another post). Context is everything!

The posts in this thread are the best example of what blind faith and inexcusable ignorance of what the text in the Bible actually states leads people as a society to do. I would like you to read each and every post in this thread and then step back as a human, no religion, and just soak it all in. I find more hatred from the “”Christian”" responses than anything Dan said in his video. Some of the responses I have read could even be considered threatening but will anyone say something about that?

Having been on both sides of the religious fence, it still amazes me that people can ignore huge sections of the book and pick out only the parts that suit their agenda. In that regard I agree with Dan Savage entirely and yes it is BS. It is almost like the sheeple are hypnotized and those pages of the book are just blank filler…God didnt really mean that, right! While at the same time claiming your God is infalliable and perfect you are able to ignore huge portions of your faith. Hypocricy! I will say one thing for the Muslim faith – they follow every letter written in their text are are more devout in their religion than any so called Christian! Until you are ready to walk the walk of your chosen faith, you really do not have any legitimate pulpit to stand on. If you are a true beleiver, then the prison sentence the courts will impose on you for following what the ‘good book’ tells you to do should not bother you much.

This is was an anti-bullying speech specifically aimed at gay bashing and people using the bible as a defense for that behavior. If you want to be offended at anything, it is not Dan Savage that you targeting. You may not like the way he said it but that does not make it any less factual or true.

If Dan Savage was doing a scared-straight routine, I think he was a success. He may have also persuaded many students not to be bullies after they saw what pathetic, small-minded losers bullies like Savage become when they grow up.  

 You are proof that not all who write are capable of thought.

 I wish you had common sense. If you did, you wouldn’t be such an obvious idiot. Savage did not quote the Bible, he misquoted and misrepresented. You are the one with the problem with the Bible. You are projecting. You do not understand what anyone says to you.

 I had thought your posts were mostly right on point and exhibited perception, intelligence and maturity if a little coarse.
It is NOT just a word, nothing more. It is offensive, indicates a lack of maturity, morality and vocabulary and is beneath you, I thought as is your rude immature response. Being an adult does not entitle you to be rude and offensive. I thought better of you. I am sorry I was wrong.

 Changing definitions of words again? He used superior numbers the audience and his superior strength, the bully pulpit, (see that, he was bullying, using the bully pulpit) to pick on a small group of individuals.
I was seriously bullied, beaten even, almost killed. I don’t hate the group and/or the individuals involved, but I do recognize bullies, Savage is one of the worst and he hides behind his campaign to stop bullying, while using tactics favored by bullies, position, power and political correctness. However, I do not think PC covers what he called those students who walked out. I resent my tax dollars going to intimidate students in the school I pay for, and the tax dollars he gets from the federal government to spread his hate and lies.

You are missing so much. Your poverty of education and spirit are so sad, if you believe science (you are confusing science and technology) over the Bible.
I can do without the technology of computers, cars, cell phones, but they do make life a little easier and computers at least save paper and time. I hardly ever use my cell phone or my landline, and drive maybe 6 miles a week, prefering to walk or do without. And yes, some scientists have reluctantly  allowed for the possibility of God, but we would have no intellectual knowledge of God without Judaism and the prophesied Messiah, we would have no salvation without Jesus’ death and Resurrection and no knowledge of it without written history and the eyewitness accounts in the New Testament.  Not all “organized religions” are created equal. Christianity has the Resurrection central and necessary to it. No other “religion” has anything even remotely like it. Science is an afterthought, a poor stepchild of philosophy and epistemology, nothing to worship or pay much attention to. Religion however, if it promotes virtue and morality and education as a result of a thorough knowledge of God and Jesus and the Resurrection through the Bible, is much to be desired, at least the Founders of our country thought so and expressed in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Federalist papers and many letters and writings, not to mention the 1st amendment, which was intended to keep the state out of religion, not religion out of the state. Religion (by which they meant the Judeo-Christian religions as is clear from the writings) was to be encouraged as necessary to virtue and morality to ensure liberty for all. ( Islam, however, was NOT to be encouraged; in fact, we as a new nation, fought a war against the Mosselmen, who had terrorized our navy and shipping, kidnapping/castrating and/or killing thousands of our sailors for not being Muslim. Conversion or die, still the central premise of Islam. We were warned over 200 yrs ago. And NO JEFF, this is not bigotry, I am relating facts)

 ”The Christian God”? was once not against slavery”? He doesn’t exist because you  think he faulty on this point, but his position was abhorrent?
If you are thought wrong, does that negate YOUR existence? I almost wish it did. Your illogic makes me dizzy.
My God is not absurd. Your conception of what you think god is, is absurd.

Get your kids out of the public school system!!!!!!  There is a fight in this world good vs. evil

and sad to say but most of our public schools are full of evil teaching your kids!!!!!

 So 22 hrs ago you were going to smoke a joint and watch Jon Stewart? But you are still here being the idiot you are. Your smoke is not going to improve your cognitive functions, it can’t-you don’t have any, but your choice of smoke proves you don’t know anything about the Law, obedience to it or punishment. Now I know why you denigrate the Bible. Substances like your fatty were condemned by the Jews as Satanic substances, as they lead people away from the truth and led them into immorality.

 You assume too much. Progressives(then liberals now back to progressives) have a history of oppression and attack. Woodrow Wilson, a progressive (democrat) was a bigot and hated blacks. Before him, the executive branch of the government was integrated. He stopped that, and expelled all blacks from the executive branch and started a campaign against integration. Margaret Sanger was a progressive and a eugenicist and promoted birth control, not to help women, but to control “undesireables” which to her meant anyone not Aryan. The Nazis adopted her Aryan supremecist eugenics program. She went on to start the “Black project”. She would have included homosexuals, but they weren’t breeding, so her program wouldn’t work on them.  Franklin Roosevelt was no better and in some ways worse. (not allowing the black opera singer to sing My Country Tis of Thee at the White House)  Savage has no moral base, guide or compass but he is full of hatred and misrepresentation. And you call that a moralistic attack? and accuse conservatives of doing it most of the time? Name 3 as bad as what the above progressives did (WW, FDR, MS…..)

 Satan quotes Scripture for his own purposes, to distort, lie and misrepresent.

I agree. It makes my heart swell when I see especially the young people standing up for what is right in an age where they are so bombarded by so much negativity and brain washing, knowing they will be ridiculed by their peers. That took courage and they are heros because they did it anyway. I too have hope because of people like them. My respect to the parents who raised them.

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Dan Savage is clearly an opportunist for gay rights.  Was he bullying those Christian kids?  Sure, Christians are dangerous.  Muslims believe their messiah will arrive when the world reaches a certain state of chaos.  So they do what they can to help the chaos along.  Christians, believing their Messiah will return when the world reaches a certain level of chaos, may not actively push the chaotic movement, but they sure won’t stop it.

I am pretty sure you are capable of using your computer because, after all, you are here sharing your wealth of knowledge.  But here’s a news flash for you:  you need to use your computer to look up the definition of bullying!!!!!

Shucks, I KNOW that might be a stretch for you so here it is: 
Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior
manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others,
particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of
power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability.[2][3]
The “imbalance of power” may be social power and/or physical power. The
victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a “target”.

Now NOWHERE does it say that bullying only applies to individuals ONLY!!!!  So here’s your English lesson for the day . . . put it to good use!!!

 Dan Savage, For you sir my heart aches. Eternity in a lake of fire is horrible. Even worse is facing eternity seperated from God your creator. God never changes and is a God of judgement. God judged Sodom in the days of Abraham and God will judge Sodom today. The same! Sodom was totally destroyed. Dan Savage; you do not want to be on the receiving end of the wrath of an angry creator and the day of judgement is coming soon. That is no bullshit.

It is amazing to me that you KNOW what we missed – do YOU have ESP or something???  You KNOW some of the things he said were WRONG but yet you justify what he said . . . does THAT make sense to you?  Maybe suffering massive abuse effects one to an extreme, but how can YOU excuse anyone when they are abusing someone else?  Apparently you think we are too stupid to know when someone is using a position of power to mete out punishment for the supposed wrongs of that person’s life!  Dan Savage is a very angry man – a wolf in sheep’s clothing – who blames all of his problems on his upbringing, the Bible, the non-gays, anyone who does not share the same lifestyle and beliefs or anything else he can think of!!  How sick is THAT???  Actually to me he came off sounding like a raving madman who has lost a couple of key cogs in the old wheelhouse!  Where is his credibility when he resorts to EXACTLY that which he is supposed to decry?

We do NOT care whether you believe in the Bible or not; we do not CARE if you believe in God or his Son, or even Satan, or not; we do not CARE if you want to have an “alternate” lifestyle, we do not CARE if you are an athiest or not; quite frankly we don CARE what you are or what you believe.  THOSE are YOUR choices to make, and the consequences that go along with those same choices will be yours and yours alone.

Here’s the message you need to understand:  what I am and what I believe about ANYTHING is none of your D*MN business just as what you are and what you believe does NOT matter to me.  You and I are equal in one respect:  we will be held accountable for what we believe and how we chose to lead our lives;  we will be responsible for the choices we have made.  I won’t go to h*ll (or heaven) on your behalf, and YOU certainly won’t go to heaven (or hell) for me either!

I will not tell you what I believe the shortcomings of what your beliefs or your lifestyle are, and I EXPECT that you will give me the same courtesy.  So when we are in a public forum, I do NOT expect that you or one of your heroes will stand up as a guest speaker, under false pretenses of talking about bullying, and then proceed to make derogatory comments about what I believe or how I live my life.  Frankly, it is NONE of your business, and that, my friend, IS bullying! 

If you or your hero chose to participate in such an despicable situation, I have two choices:  I can stay and allow you or your hero to verbally abuse me; or I can show my dislike of your abusive behavior by leaving.  It is NOT up to you to decide what MY options are, and I don’t have to justify my choices to you or anyone else!  These students were by far the most mature people in the room, and they left with no comments, no demonstrations, no bad behavior.  Dan was the supposed adult on that stage, and he lowered himself to the level of a first-class bully who should be barred from speaking at any youth event in the future.  I went to his website where he made an apology and then added WEAK excuses about what he had said!  Anytime someone gives you an apology and there is a “but” attached, that automatically negates the apology PERIOD!

If you are or have been bullied, do whatever it is that will help you cope.  Then deal with it in the most appropriate way for you, but do NOT feel free to make me your target because you were subjected to that kind of behavior from someone else.  I am NOT your whipping boy, and I am not an easy target for you to vent your anger on.  If you want me to respect you and your values, then do NOT treat me like a pile of dog do-do because quite frankly, I might just bite you!  I have a low tolerance for abuse from anyone . . . no matter WHO they think they are!

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

What an idiot.  First of all, I can’t believe that a school, a high school, would allow this BULLY to even talk to their students.  What he is encouraging these students to do is bully anyone that believes in God and the Bible.  He doesn’t promote anti-bullying, he promotes it and hate as well.  To quote one or two lines from a Bible that was written over 2000 years ago and say that is what people that believe in God actually believe is completely moronic and full of hate and disgust. If he’s going to do that, he HAS to do that for every thing ever written since the written word came to be.  I’m so sick and tired of people quoting the Bible by completely taking the true meaning away.  Shame on this school, shame on the school board for allowing this kind of hate and bullying tactics to be shoved down the throats of innocent children.  I hope parents of these kids take them to court for promoting bullying in their school system. 

Walking out of the discussion and away from the battle is what we have been doing for years.   I would like to say that we are obligated to stand our ground and speak,  but  I can see that the audio system would have drowned them out.  I’ve been shouted down and laughed at for challenging, misuse of the bible before.  That sound system is cranked up to make being drowned out absolute.  I’m also realizing that I’m not prepared to respond immediately to attacks like this.  I would have walked out too. 

    I know I’m preaching to the choir but, I’ve got to contradict this guy. #1  Jesus negated these stoning laws 2000 years ago.  #2 When St. Paul wrote about slavery it was the only form of employment that existed.  He couldn’t write about labor practices that had not been established or conceived of at the time.

Let’s turn your COMPLETE and TOTAL irrationality on its head, than.  If, as you say, an  anti-theist is someone who stands against the irrationality of theists, than, by the very same token, a theist is someone who stands against the irrationality of anti-theists.  LOL  See how that works.  Before claiming theists are irrational, you need to first provide evidence that theists are irrational, or you prove ONLY your OWN irrationality by making a false assumption, lol.  You see, false assumptions like yours are TOTALLY irrational.

LOL  Seriously?  You bring up hypocrisy when it is clear you don’t even know what the word means.  News flash, son.  Dan Savage, who preaches against bullying regularly, is on stage here, in front of children no less, actually BULLYING Christians.  That, my dimwitted friend, is the very definition of hypocrisy.  Dan Savage is a hypocrite.  He just proved himself to be one, and you have the audacity to call most Christians hypocrites.  At least, most Christians are brave enough to actually stand up for what they believe, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of hypocrisy.  The Bible, in ACTUAL FACT, is NOT ok with ANY form of bigotry, as it states quite clearly, “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”  There is also the Golden Rule.  You know, the one that states, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”  These, as well as many other verses, make clear that the Bible is against ALL bigotry of ALL kinds.  We have ALL sinned and fall short of His glory.  It is true that homosexuality is a sin in God’s eyes.  Does that make them worse than us Christians?  Heck no.  We as Christians are NO better than they are because we have ALL sinned in God’s eyes and we ALL fall short of his glory.  Does the fact that homosexuality is a sin mean we as Christians hate homosexuals?  Heck no.  As the Bible also states, “Hate the sin but love the sinner.”  I may hate homosexuality, but in NO way does that mean I hate homosexuals.  I LOVE them just as I LOVE everyone else.  I pray for them just as I pray for everyone else.  Of course, anyone with as dimwitted a worldview as yours could NEVER understand that.  The LOVE shown by our God is simply too much for your pure hatred to handle.

Evidence that theists are irrational: Believing in something that cannot be seen. For which there is no evidence. And that does not hold up to the scientific method. 

That is the very definition of irrationality. 

LOL WRONG. Dead wrong. Theists actually believe in something that CAN be seen for which there IS evidence. And that actually DOES hold up to the scientific method. What you just exclaimed is what makes anti-theists irrational, though. Assuming that God cannot be seen when many HAVE actually seen Him is irrational. Assuming that there is no evidence when the evidence is ALL around us and right in front of your face is irrational. Assuming that the belief in God does not hold up to the scientific method when it actually DOES is irrational. Sorry, but you are without a doubt 100% TOTALLY wrong. Come back when you actually get a clue, please.

Please, explain how the existence of a god or gods stands up to the scientific method. 

Please, explain how it doesn’t lol. Let me explain it for you since you don’t seem to even know what the scientific method is

The scientific method involves the principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

Now, I pursue knowledge through God. I experiment with and observe God’s existence. I formulate and test hypotheses proving God’s existence. Seems to me that since that is required in the scientific method, God stands up to the scientific method.

Your TOTAL ignorance only shows just how clearly stupid you are.

I repeat, since people pursue the knowledge of God’s existence, since people collect data through observation and experiment proving God’s existence, and since people formulate and test hypotheses proving Gods existence, the existence of God MUST stand up to the scientific method. Since the pursuit of God is the EXACT definition of what the scientific method is, it would be TOTALLY irrational and flat out IMPOSSIBLE for the existence of God to not stand up to the scientific method. Of course, thanks for proving just how TOTALLY irrational you anti-theists are.

News flash, son. Galileo believed in God. Copernicus believed in God. Newton believed in God. Pascal believed in God. Sir Francis Bacon, who was the one to actually establish what we consider today to be the scientific method, also believed in God. Keplar, Descartes, Boyle, Mendel and many, MANY other scientists ALL believed in the existence of God and used their own scientific studies to flat out PROVE God’s existence. Heck, Einstein, who certainly was not a Christian, even said that the belief in God is NOT contrary to the scientific method. Einstein famously remarked to a young physicist, “I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” Even Einstein, who didn’t believe in a personal God mind you, flat out DENIED anti-theism and recognized the TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY of a non-created universe. He also famously “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” If even Einstein, who didn’t actually believe in a personal God himself but certainly didn’t deny said personal God either, said that the belief in God holds to the scientific method, than the belief in God MUST hold to the scientific method. Since Sir Francis Bacon created that very scientific method to PROVE God’s existence, the belief in God MUST hold to the scientific method.

Will you look at that? Even the creator of today’s scientific method used said method to flat out PROVE God’s existence. If that doesn’t prove just how illogical you idiots really are, I don’t know what will, lol. As I said, try again when you actually get a clue, please. Maybe you should actually do some ACTUAL research on the actual scientific method before making the idiotic claim that the belief in God doesn’t stand up to it.

I see that you Google’d and used the exact Merriam-Webster definition of the scientific method. And then you just put the word god in it as your evidence.

That isn’t how this works. 

Science is about creating verifiable and repeatable results based on observable evidence.

I’m not making any claim. As an atheist, I’m denying the religious claim that a god exists, because the people who are putting forth this hypothesis have yet to produce enough evidence to support it. 

Anti-theist means that I believe the people who believe in that irrationality — especially those like you who can look at the lack of evidence and say “yep, that’s good enough for me” — is harmful to the human race. 

Also, please stop saying “lol” in all of your sentences. It seems like a nervous tick, and it makes you seem unbalanced. 

LOL Seriously, you just proved how dimwitted you actually are. First off, though I did use Webster’s definition, I did NOT need to Google anything there. I already KNEW what I said.

Also, that IS how it works. Science is about creating verifiable and repeatable results based on observable evidence. That’s the ONLY thing you said with any truth to it. The belief in God actually HAS verifiable and repeatable results based on observable evidence. Since you are stupid and IRRATIONALLY assume people who believe in God are irrational, it is YOU and NOT them who are irrational. There is NO lack of evidence as you IRRATIONALLY assume there is. The evidence is ALL around us. Copernicus said so. Newton said so. Galileo said so. Pascal said so. Mendel said so. Bacon said so. Thousand of famous scientists from our past said so. Heck, even Albert Einstein, who didn’t believe in a personal God himself, said so. Even many philosophers in ancient history made such claims through their own observances of how the world works, such as Aristotle, Plat, Socrates, and others. They observed the evidence and came to the conclusion that this world MUST have been created by a creator God. There is absolutely NO OTHER rational explanation. Even Einstein came to that conclusion, and he didn’t even believe in a personal God. Even Einstein said that it is flat out IMPOSSIBLE that this planet came into being any other way but through the creation of a Creator God. All this through VERIFIABLE AND REPEATABLE RESULTS BASED ON OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE, too, you know. Will you look at that? Those scientists came to the conclusion that a Creator God of some kind MUST exist because their own VERIFIABLE AND REPEATABLE RESULTS BASED ON OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE told them that a Creator God of some kind MUST exist. If a scientist who doesn’t even believe in a personal God, such as Albert Einstein, even came to that very conclusion through his own scientific method, you have NO leg to stand on in this argument. You fail on the outset simply because you have NO understanding of the scientific method whatsoever.

In closing, it is your IRRATIONAL assumption based on an ILLOGICAL premise that God doesn’t work with the scientific method. The father of today’s scientific method, Sir Francis Bacon, begs to differ. He used that very method to prove you flat out wrong nearly 400 years ago. Look into his work. You might actually learn something. Albert Einstein, who didn’t even believe in a personal God, also begs to differ. Einstein flat out stated that the ONLY way that this universe can be in existence today is because of a Creator God. He opposed atheism of ALL kinds, stating that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the universe to be here any other way but through the creation of a Creator God. Than there’s Newton, Pascal, Galileo, Copernicus, and thousands of other scientists who used the scientific method to flat out PROVE God’s existence. They, too, beg to differ. You have NO leg to stand on here, you know. Your IRRATIONAL assumption is based on an ILLOGICAL premise. Thus, YOU are the one who is irrational. NOT the theist you IRRATIONALLY claim to be irrational.

Now, as I’ve already stated. Try again. And next time, at least TRY to remain rational like I have. If you keep saying that God doesn’t fit with the scientific method, you prove ONLY that YOU are the irrational one here. It’s been documented by several scientists over the last 500 years that the belief in God fits quite well with the scientific method. Einstein documented it. Bacon did. On and on and on throughout the last several hundred years God has been documented using the scientific method. The claim that a belief in God is irrational because it doesn’t fit the scientific method proves that you are either irrational, stupid, or a liar. Which one are you? Are you irrational, stupid, or just a liar?

Sir Francis Bacon, the father of today’s scientific method, used the scientific method to flat out PROVE God’s very existence. Albert Einstein, after using that same scientific method, came to the conclusion that it is flat out IMPOSSIBLE for the universe to be here if it weren’t for a Creator to create it.

Now, Googling it might help you, but since I’ve actually already studie these ACTUAL scientists who have ACTUALLY used the scientific method to flat out PROVE the existence of a creator God, I didn’t have to Google it. I could certainly give you the links, though. Seems with your TOTAL lack of understanding of the scientific method you need some.

Princeton, 3. 1. 1954

Dear Mr Gutkind,

Inspired by Brouwer’s repeated suggestion, I read a great deal in your book, and thank you very much for lending it to me … With regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. Your personal ideal with its striving for freedom from ego-oriented desires, for making life beautiful and noble, with an emphasis on the purely human element … unites us as having an “American Attitude.”

Still, without Brouwer’s suggestion I would never have gotten myself to engage intensively with your book because it is written in a language inaccessible to me. The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. … For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong … have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything “chosen” about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision…

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e. in our evaluation of human behavior … I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes,

Yours, 

A. Einstein

You do realize that NONE of that supports your case, don’t you? Albert Einstein stated, and I quote word for word, verbatim, his EXACT quote here, “I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” I emphasize Einstein’s use of the word God there, son. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, “Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in “Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists.”

Now, try to do some ACTUAL research some time, sunshine, because, again, you flat out failed at proving anything, lol.

Some more Einstein comments disproving your TOTALLY IRRATIONAL assumption.

When asked in one interview point blank if he believed in God, this was Einstein’s reply, “I am not an atheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.”

When a Colorado banker wrote and asked Einstein the very same question, Einstein’s reply was this, “I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals or would sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we can comprehend about the knowable world. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” Now, that reply PROVES that though Einstein did not believe in a personal God as Christians do, he MOST CERTAINLY did believe that a supreme being of some kind created the universe.

Here’s more on the quote used in Encyclopedia Britannica concerning Einstein’s view on God. Einstein was asked to answer the God question in 50 words or less. Here was his reply. “I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” Again, though he didn’t believe in a Christian personal God, he still came to the conclusion that the universe MUST have been created by a God of some kind.

Now, you need more proof against you. I have more. Please, as I said, your argument has NO leg to stand on. It hasn’t for the last several hundred years and still doesn’t now. Try again, and TRY to remain rational like I have.

There are many christians that do get angry and bash gay ppl i don’t agree with what he did but i do understand his anger look at all the gay teens that have been ending their life because of bullys and family hating on them they use the bible for hate not for love and i understand atheist i feel it’s time that christians get a taste of their on medicine well the crazy radical ones.