Maddow: “Don’t tell me the reasons”

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Rachel Maddow was on Meet The Press over the weekend claiming that Mitt Romney wants to talk about “women and the economy,” to which Glenn pointed out, no, Maddow wants to talk about women and Romney wants to talk about the economy.

Maddow made the claim on Meet The Press that women only make seventy-seven cents on the dollar compared to men. After making the claim another commentator pointed out that there are many reasons for that which actually make that claim untrue when you break down the numbers. Of course, Rachel didn’t want to have anything to do with the pesky facts of this matter.

“No, wait. Don’t tell me the reasons. Do women make less?” Rachel responded when confronted with the facts.

Stu pointed out how ridiculous it is for anyone whose job it is to analyze the news to say ‘don’t tell me the reasons.’ Why confuse her with the facts when that will ruin her talking points?

“See, that’s the problem. If you don’t want to get into the reasons for it, well, then you can make it unreasonable,” Glenn said when comparing Maddow’s comments on salaries to the prices of cars. “Yeah, those damn Rolls Royce people, they’re gouging the Kia people. Wait a minute. There’s a difference here. There’s a reason. One’s handmade.”

“The reasons are fascinating when you get into it, because this whole thing falls apart. This war on women and the unequal income, it all falls apart,” Glenn later added.

The other panelist on Meet The Press with Maddow pointed out that, on average, men work about forty-four hours per week – women about forty-one hours. He later added that professions men are drawn towards, like engineering, science and math, tend to earn more.

“Right off the bat you’re talking about almost 10% more an hour, which would already immediately eliminate half the difference between men and women,” Stu said.

Maddow’s response – “This is not a math is hard conversation.”

Unfortunately for her, it is, and our resident statistics point man, Stu, has that math.

Here’s what Stu had to say:

In fact, there’s a great book written called Why Men Earn More and it’s written by a guy who started off as a women’s rights activist who was all about this, all about this argument like, “Oh, you know, they’re only getting paid,” at that time it was like 69 or 59 cents on the dollar and this is an outrage, went through and really dived through the numbers and found out this is true. Men and I think this is a compliment to women, by the way. Men prioritize their careers a lot higher. Women, when they get jobs and they’re in the working community, decide to prioritize stuff like family time more and they start to prioritize not staying for all the overtime and they prioritize keeping themselves safe and not going to, you know, on dangerous jobs for six months at a time. All those jobs go to men. And so those jobs that do get a premium because they’re dangerous or they have ridiculous work hours go to men a lot more often because they’re the ones requesting them. I mean, and you look through the numbers, there’s a new study out that went over 2,000 communities and went through, analyzed all the numbers on women who had just come out of college, who hadn’t you know, come out of college, have the same degrees as men, went through the same industries as men and found out that with the same age, everything controlled the same, women earn 8% more than men. Apples to apples.

This particular study was about women in their 20s right out of college. So I mean, I think it’s the most pure example of whether there would be bias because there’s no long work history, there’s nothing you there’s nothing that can screw up the data. These are people that are leaving college and going into the workforce.

Yeah, and like even hateful cities in the South like Atlanta and Memphis, they’re paying women 20% more than men, 20% in Atlanta and Memphis for the same work with the same experience and everything else. Those hateful, evil Southern cities.”

Glenn’s take on the situation was a little less in depth, “She’s so much smarter than almost everybody else on the planet, and she’s, of course, the one who will kindly nudge you into that conclusion. I don’t believe she actually this ignorant. I don’t believe she’s this stupid. I don’t believe that she can’t do the math herself, that she can’t look at stats and figure them out. She’s disingenuous at best, lying most likely.”

  • Anonymous

    I have a full time factory job where I have to lift a lot of heavy objects with quick and coordinated movements.  About 15 to 20 other men in our factory are employed in the same positions as me. There is also one woman who works with us.  She’s definitely an exception, a lot of people very often times try to discourage her and ask her to quit.  But here’s the point, her and I do the same job.  Her and I earn the same pay too.  
    Isn’t it a disingenuous argument from the outset to say “Women should earn the same pay as men?”  Why?  I mean just seriously focus on that one question alone and ask yourself…why?  Rachel Maddow, shouldn’t we all really be saying, “Whoever does the same job as me should earn the same amount of money as me.”  Pretty simple concept.  
    Maddow and those akin to her are creating a myth.  The war on women is a myth, and it’s moronic rhetorical language like Mrs. Maddow’s that continues to perpetrate it.

    • Denise Bacher


      My stepdad was a pipefitter at the Naval Shipyard and he worked really hard. They hired a woman and they had the guys of the shop carry her tools along with their own ( presumably because the tool boxes were heavy). AND when she had work to do on a pipe, the boss would have one of the guys stop what they were working on to hold the heavy pipes for her to work on.

      Now I ask you, how is that HER doing the same job as the men? And yet she got the same pay as any man just hired. I do not begrudge her the money, but if she wants equal work, she should do equal pay. Carry your own damn toolbox and hold your own pipe.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t confuse fiction with the facts it gets uncomfortably confusing that way.

      • Anonymous

        Tell me how I did that and I’ll stop.

        • Anonymous

          you didnt.. just a cute thing Rolandd1 was trying to say.. to vauge though, so whatever right?

  • Anonymous

    Are these myths?

    Republicans not only want to reduce women’s access to abortion care, they’re actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven’t yet. Shocker.2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to “accuser.” But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain “victims.” 3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.) 4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.  5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life. 6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids’ preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working. 7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool. 8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens. 9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country. 10) And if that wasn’t enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. 

    It just happens that these all directly effect women…… just a myth. 

    • Anonymous

       Actually much of your list is incorrect or misrepresented.  I think you’d have a better time understanding the mindset of a conservative as one that tries to be gender,race,religion,age etc.. neutral.  So start at that point, then work your way through their legislation and see why they are doing it.

      Telling people that X is waging a war on women, or Y is waging a war on blacks and on and on is something you tell stupid people to get them on your side.

      • Anonymous

        Suppose all those are lies and mis represented…somehow.

        How do you misrepresent ending the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

        Who does it effect and how can you misrepresent ending a policy that supports equal pay? If the math does add up, and women do not make less than men,  which may or may not be true depending on where you get your “facts,” why would someone want to end it? What would be the point?

        • Anonymous

          Instead of insulting your intelligence by spelling things out, I will just reiterate what I said previously.  Then you can determine. 

          “I think you’d have a better time understanding the mindset of a
          conservative as one that tries to be gender,race,religion,age etc..

        • Anonymous

          As women, when statistically comparing apples to apples, make more than men…there is no misrepresentation in ending LLFP….it is no longer needed.  Like much of the regulation (NOT ALL) that is choking off our economy.  That’s where a conservative (NOT republican) is coming from.

      • Anonymous

        This person would need some intelligence before you could insult it…

      • mark turick

         Of course the list is incorrect and misrepresented!  It’s just a verbatim reposting of propaganda perpetuating (or creating) the “republican war on women” lies.

    • mark m

       Its frightening that people like you exist. Read the law in South Dakota instead of using as your source. Also look at our bloated budget. Nothing gets cut anymore other than growth, so your premises are all incorrect but why let facts get in the way of lunacy. The only thing that should get cut is your food stamps because all that junk food is rotting your brain.

    • Anonymous

      What democratic senator’s/rep’s biography are you paraphrasing?  You’ve brought this argument way out of the realm of unequal wages.  You’re taking a freight train at full speed, slow down, refute me on the wage issue first. 

    • Anonymous

      One of the dumbest rants it has been my sorry pleasure to read. In fact, everyone who reads this will probably lose IQ points. Dunce.

    • Anonymous

      Democrats are OK with violence against unborn women.

    • Phrack

       I’d love to see citations to each of the claimed examples you listed.  As an attorney, if I represent a defendant in any crime I will, as a matter of course, file a motion to keep the prosecution from referring to the accuser as a “victim” – the reason is simple – stating that someone is a victim assumes the fact in question – that the crime occurred.  It also is inflammatory and puts the accuser in a “protected” status.  No one wants to disbelieve a “victim.”  In the Kobe rape case, the defense attorney filed a similar motion.  These motions are granted as a matter of course because the case law is directly on point.  I believe that the label “victim” should be eliminated from all criminal cases – the court has no place calling anyone a victim and tainting the jury. 

      None of the allegations contain any citations – just railing accusations that sound like they were copied and pasted to rail against the “evil Rethuglicans.”  Just to look at a couple of items in your list, #5 and #9.  With #5 I believe that you’re referring to the damn ugly procedure of partial birth abortion – where the baby is born except for it’s skull and the doctor punctures the skull and sucks the brains out –  there is no medical justification for it and it is never necessary to save the life of the mother.  In #9, money is fungible and if you send funding to Planned Parenthood, then it’s going to fund abortions which half of this country opposes and an even greater percentage of Republicans oppose.  If this is a representative democracy then Republicans, in trying to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood, are just representing their constituents.  Just because you’re in favor of murdering children doesn’t mean everyone else has to fund your murderous wishes.

      How about another talking point?  Why do we have VAWA???  The Violence Against Women Act is legislated misandry.  Are women the only victims of domestic violence?  How many shelters for men exist? Every study from the last 35 years show that women are as aggressive or more aggressive than men.  Indeed, the last federal survey showed that in cases of mutual combat – men and women are equal initiators.  However, in cases where one party is the aggressor, women are aggressors 70% of the time.

      • Sandie

        Findings from the National Violence against Women Survey, July 2000

        According to the National Violence against Women (NVAW) survey,
        sponsored by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for
        Disease Control and Prevention, intimate partner violence is pervasive
        in U.S. society. Nearly 25% of surveyed women and 7.5% of surveyed men
        said they were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former
        spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime.

         Women experience more intimate partner violence than do men. Women also experience more chronic and injurious physical assaults at the hands of intimate partnersSlightly more than 11% of the women who had lived with a woman as part
        of a couple reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked
        by a female cohabitant, but 21.7% of the women who had married or lived
        with a man as part of a couple reported such violence by a husband or
        male cohabitant.Men living with male partners experience more partner violence than do
        men who live with female partners. Approximately 23% of the men who had
        lived with a man as a couple reported being raped, physically assaulted,
        and/or stalked by a male cohabitant, while 7.4% of the men who had
        married or lived with a woman as a couple reported such violence by a
        wife or female cohabitant.Your  women are the aggressor 70%  of the time claim is not believable. Do you have a source link that might give that info?Women accounted for 85% of the victims of
        intimate partner violence, men for approximately 15%. (Bureau of Justice
        Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001,
        February 2003)
        Interesting to note:The average prison sentence of men who kill
        their women partners is 2 to 6 years. Women who kill their partners are,
        on average, sentenced to 15 years. (National Coalition Against Domestic
        Violence, 1989)

        • Bored Pointless

          Those numbers you mentioned are not accurate. The number of police REPORTED instances of men being abused or raped are significantly lower than that of women. From a psychological standpoint, men are far more likely to hide the fact they have been assault, abused, or raped because of the stigma and shame associated with it. Therefore, most of these male cases are not reported to police but to counselors. This information is readily available for anyone in the behavioral health field, which I’m guessing you are not. I am. Your numbers are crap.

          • Sandie

            Many women also do not report. In any event these numbers I gave are government numbers from their survey …. so I guess it is just more government crap? You are criticizing “my” numbers, yet you give none of your own or any source in refutation. Therefore I call BS on your counter post. I guess you are Bored and Pointless.

    • Anonymous

      Just because you are a liberal doesn’t mean you must continue the lie. Be first in your group and lead instead of follow; stop perpetuating misinformation. It’s unbecoming of an intellectual.

    • Anonymous

      Try reading a newspaper instead of reading so many liberal pamphlets.  Your facts are skewed to a degree that I have not seen in a while.  I’m not even going to go through this one it’s so devoid of thought. Just once, I would love to see a liberal address an issue without making up facts, skewing facts, mischaracterizations, etc.  Why, if your arguments are worthy of merit, can you NEVER address the facts without leaving out facts or presenting only a few tidbits and making up the rest?  If you can’t think beyond that level or argue your point based on something besides hysteria, you don’t have a point.  That’s why it’s so easy to be a liberal.  You don’t have to think or study.  Just stand out on a street and scream…oh, and defecate.  

  • Corran Horn

    Why does msnbc never want to know the why of a story? You would think that would be their first question.

    • john

      no, the why would involve discussing facts. can’t do that. it would ruin their whole story then.

    • Anonymous

      Because they survive on this illusion of perpetual
      inequality. It’s the unspoken but ever obvious cornerstone of liberalism and liberals
      are the audience that MSNBC caters to.


  • Anonymous

    I’m certain Ms. Maddow makes more than me.

    It’s not enough that we are fighting several wars overseas, people now desire to create and wage wars at home — many of those same people are the ones who cried to pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    From the looks of it what we really have is a war on sanity.

  • Anonymous

    Madcow is a liar, always has been and always will be. You can not put actual stats in front of him…..I mean her…I mean it, because it does not fit into her stupid left wing agenda. The worst part, there are actually people who think this drivel is true. Look at glennsbeck, just below here, it proves how dumbed down this country is.

  • Matt Gioia

    She disgusts me

  • Peter Timber


  • Anonymous

    Based on my 34 years experience in industry (most with General Motors), the idea that women get less pay for the same work is ludicrous.  Union contracts insure the same pay for women doing the same job as men, even when they cannot perform the same work at the same level of skill or proficiency.

    In the salary ranks, women with the same education and work skills generally earn more than men (sometimes considerably more) for a simple reason – supply and demand.  Virtually all companies are under scrutiny to hire and promote more women, and since many women make a career decision to stay home and raise their children, and fewer women make the decision to enter the sciences, there are fewer qualified women to fill salary positions, especially when an engineering or science degree is a prerequisite.

    Anyone who believes that women earn less for doing the same job with the same degree of skill and proficiency is living in a dream world.  It just is not the case – in fact it is just the opposite. 

    However, if you want to say that because secretaries make less money than lumberjacks it means that women are being discriminated against, we can’t stop you – but we can call you an idiot and a bigot.

    • Anonymous

      …and a liar!

  • Christy Horne

    Well, well, Madcow was blind sides by the FACTS, oh my.  If she could  leave her lover alone long enough to get  her facts straight it would be wonderful.. She MAKES 1Million dollars a year, she willhave to pay more taxes under Hussein Obama, I bet she is a happy camper.

  • Anonymous

    Liberals are an interesting breed of animals. The talk about reproductive rights, pro-choice, and a woman’s right to privacy. What they are really saying is that they want the right to kill their babies when they become inconvenient. They talk abuot that poisonous CO2. They talk about carbon footprints. Are they really that stupid? If I remember correctly CO2 is the gas that plants need. Human exhale CO2 and plants give off oxygen. Perfect symbiotic relationship. Liberals talk protecting the plant. From what? Australia has a carbon tax. Switzerland passed a law that will go into effect soon that will limit how much CO2 people can add to the atmosphere: 1 ton annually. How will they monitor that? If a person is in violation then what? They continually tell us that capital punishment doesn’t prevent crime. Well I can guarantee that every criminal put to death will never commit another crime. Then recently the ACLU is calling 20 to life cruel and unusual punishment. So they want to kill babies but protect the death row inmate.It’s interesting that the first amendment they attack is the 2nd. Once they take away the means to protect the Constitution (Sarah Brady-We cannot advance our Socialist agenda until we remove guns from the hands of our enemies.) then they can attack the whole Constitution especially the 1st amendment unopposed. They don’t like…no, they hate religious people expecially Christians and Jews. They blame all of the wars in history on religious people. To some extent that may be true. However, how then do they explain the pogroms, death camps of the Communists, Socialists, and Fascists? I asked a class of Native Americans once if minorites could be racists. They responded that only whites could be racists. The rest are victims of White people. I asked a liberal o nce what would it be like if there had never been a USA. They answered the world would be a much better place. Really? Do these people listen to themselves? I asked a liberal once how did he feel about being a sign of the times of the last days. He answered that I was an example of foolish traditions of delusional people. Well, we’ll see. I have a feeling that it will get to the point that the silent majority will finally get fed up and will take back their country, hopefully by the ballot box but once people, especially Americans get angry watch out when the sleeping tiger is unleased.

    • Anonymous

      Conservatives are a very interesting breed of animal. There against contraceptives and abortions, but are bias of the poor who have multiple children. They preach Christianity while denigrating homosexuals, the poor as lazy and beggars, people of different faith and religion.I don;t ever remember Jesus carrying a weapon in the Bible. Hilter had adopted his own form of Christianity within the Nazi party. One of conservative values of a pure race and nationalism. Racist is Racist.

      • Anonymous

        I can tell you’re a liberal. You can’t spell which means you went through the public school system. You like abortions which means you like killing babies. You talk about the poor which means you are a poverty pimp. You attack Christians which means you are an atheist. You talk about Jesus yet you probably don’t read or believe the Bible. Therefore you have no basis for a religious dicussion. You talk about Hitler being a Christian. Yet again you show your ignorance. Hitler was a socialist atheist. His religion was based on Teutonic mythology. Yes he was a racist. So is the Muslim Brotherhood. So are the Black Muslims, all of the Islamic terrorist groups, the Black Panther, La Raza, the American Indian Movement, the Aryan Nation, and yes your beloved Communist party. However they couch their racism in enslaving the poor to the government welfare programs where they live a barely subsistance existence. The next time you come at me you better come at me with than emotional drivel. Give me some facts to prove your argument. John Lemon, SMSgt USAFR (Ret.)

        • Anonymous

          This is coming from a guy who enjoys the fruits of the biggest socialized organization in the country. Free medicine,a retirement at age 40, GI bill for free college education, and low interest housing loans. It’s nice to get all these benefits from my tax dollar. Abortion isn’t the answer.but the alternative is unwanted children. I know the conservatives support the single cell and throw living babies to the curb. Your particular branch doesn’t mind dropping bombs on innocent women and children. I appreciate dip shits like you serving in the milatary.I know the bullshit line about protecting my freedoms, but the honest answer is you were a loser and joined the milatary because you coundn’t do anything else. Hitler was born into a Catholic family. Hitler often spoke about a German Christian culture and a Aryan Christ. This is were Sgt stupid comes into play. Hitler had a hatred of communism, Jewish materialism and ATHEISM

          • Anonymous

            Hitler wasn’t a Christian, there was literature given to the Hitler Youth comparing people who believed in the Bible over himself to swine. And respect the Sarge for serving the country that allows you to write such ill-advised filth as you do.  
            Your quote, “Abortion isn’t the answer, but the alternative is unwanted children,” is disturbing.  If you have a kid running around your house, that you don’t want, maybe don’t feel like feeding, wish you had aborted, give that kid to me, I’ll treat him/her like I actually want them around, even if at certain moments they are being a total headache to me.  
            Conservatives do not want living babies thrown to the curb.  They simply want living babies…period.  I mean, seriously I don’t know anyone conservative or liberal who wants to throw living babies to the curb.  
            Respond to me with respect mixed with intelligence and your posts will make more sense.  You just seem angry about the fact that people happen to disagree with you.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, my! Now we are using four letter words to attack my character. Whoaaa! Either you were born stupid or you have to work at it. I told you before, don’t come at me with liberal emotional drivel. Give me facts!!! My medecine is not free. I retired this month at the age of 60. I already had a college degree when I joined the Air Force. I joined the reserves because I was too old to go active duty. My other job beside the reserves was teaching school. I want you to know that I have an associates, two Bachelors’ two masters and a PHD. So don’talk to me like I’m an idiot. So you say that killing babies isn’t snswer but the alternative is unwanted babies. It’s always black or black with liberals. They always see the negtive of life. I’ve know many people who were adopted and grew up wanted. Look you moron, war is hell. Sometimes the bombs fall where they are intended. Sometimes they miss. It’s not a perfect science. Beside, until you’ve been there, don’t judge us. Why don’t you read Mein Kempf? Hitler didn’t like Communists that’s true. But he wasn’t much different than Joseph Stalin. Hitler killed 50 million people, many of them Christians, especially Catholics, as well as Jews, Slavic people, Gypsies, and Gays. He killed many he considered to be enemies to the Naqi cause. Many of them his friends. Read the history of Dachau. But what’s the difference between Hitler killing 50 million in the name of Socialism and Stalin killing 40 million in the name of Communism. Stalin also killed Jews, Christians, and anyone he suspected of being an enemy to the state.If it hadn’t been for the US Air Force bombers, the Army’s soldiers, the Navy’s battleships and the Marines, then who knows where we’d be today. Let me just say you still can’t spell. You still can’t form an illegent argument, and you still talk about things you know nothing about. Why don’t you pick up a book and learn to read?

          • Anonymous

            If you think the alternative to abortion is unwanted children, you seriously are a moron.  There is something called ADOPTION, you know.  Many couples who are PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE of having children for whatever reason can actually adopt them. A lot of the time they have to go to a foreign country to do so simply because there just aren’t enough children to adopt here. No, in NO case are those children not wanted.  I’m sure there are loving couples all over the country who actually DO want them.  Just because you hate children doesn’t mean everyone does, you know.

          • Anonymous

            By the way, conservatives are NOT dropping bombs on innocent women and children as you ignorantly presume.  Conservatives like us are dropping bombs on KNOWN terrorists who are using their own bombs on innocent women and children.  You see, if we don’t drop bombs on KNOWN terrorists, those terrorists will build their own bombs to blow up more innocent women and children.  Seems the death of more innocent women and children is what you want, though.

          • Anonymous

            You also have a clear ignorance about Hitler.  Hitler may have grown up a Catholic, but he DENOUNCED his Catholic faith.  He CONSTANTLY attacked ALL religions of ALL kinds and embraced ATHEISM.  For someone who hated atheism as you claim he did, why did he embrace it and want to root out ALL religions EVERYWHERE, lol?  You really need to do some studying up on Hitler’s actual PERSONAL comments, you know.  His Table Talk would be a start.

          • SoThere

            therealvoiceofamerica’s a liberal idiot.

          • Anonymous

            looks that way.

          • SoThere

            Liberals are in a panic right now, Obama isn’t doing so well with the real American people in this country. We’re all pretty much tired of his lies and phony speeches about how he’s the best thing that ever happened to the country.

            Like I said, they’re in a panic and Mathew’s, Maddow, O’Donnell and Eddy Schultz (MSNBC’s resident hatemonger)Sharpton (the racist) can do about it.

          • Sandie

            His hypnotized liberal zombie puppets love him, but they don’t know why. Oh, yeah …. cuz he da man – he da rock star. He gonna give everybody money from his stash so they can continue to be irresponsible spoiled brats..

          • SoThere

            Look, you moron, citizens serve in the Military because it’s their patriotic duty to do so.

            Take your ignorant Liberal garbage back over to Media matters or Huffy Post or wherever your stupidity emanates from.

            I would be glad to post the definitions of any of the above words for you, let me know which ones you don’t understand.

            ” therealvoiceofamerica” what a joke.

        • Anonymous

          You noticed the same thing that I did.  It’s hard to take someone seriously when every other word is misspelled.  By the way, voice, it wasn’t called the Nazi party, it was called the Nationalist Socialist party. That’s okay. We didn’t understand a word of that post anyway.  Didn’t your teacher ever tell you that you have to use your words? Otherwise, we don’t know what’s bouncing around inside your head.  I always find it fascinating when someone spends all their time accusing others of being racist. What I have found is that the ones most strident in their accusations of racism are, in fact, racists.  And not simple racists; irredeemable racists, such as the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. They don’t believe that they can be racists, so what they say and do does not matter.  Typical liberalism.

        • Anonymous

          Hey, there’s more to it than the public school system, you know.  I went through it myself, as well, and I’m no liberal, though the public school system I went through happened to be part of a more conservative school district that didn’t take God’s name out of the system and actually believed in the Constitution.  There’s simply more to it than the public school system.  A private school can be just as bad and worse, you know.

          • Anonymous

            One man Army, you are absolutely correct. Some public schools are awesome and some suck. Some private schools are awesome as well, but some really suck. In the 30 years I was a teacher, I taught in both over the years. Thanks for you feedback.

      • Anonymous

        Liberals see nothing wrong with the murder of Americans yet unborn, yet have no problem defending those that choose to commit the crime. The sanctity of life has no meaning to the liberal mind, yet they castigate Christians for defending that right. Something is drastically wrong with that mindset.

      • Anonymous

        You should take a history and philosophy lesson before you post. You’re ignorance is to the hilt.

      • Anonymous

        LOL.  Seriously, your lack of any REAL understanding is quite telling, you know.  First of all, Hitler attacked Christianity constantly and wanted to root Christianity out of ALL society altogether.  Also, Christians do NOT denigrate homosexuals.  HOMOSEXUALS denigrate homosexuals.  Christians don’t even denigrate the poor as lazy and beggars.  The POOR denigrate themselves as such.  Christians don’t even denigrate those of different faiths and religions.  Those of different faiths and religions denigrate themselves.  You see, it’s called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and DISCIPLINE.  I know you are too dimwitted to understand what that means, but it is what it is.  Now, I have yet to see Christians truly denigrate those groups.  However, I see liberals denigrate them on an almost constant basis.  Conservatives are definitely an interesting breed of animal because conservatives actually WANT society to not just survive but thrive.  Liberals, on the other hand, want to do NOTHING but kill off society one individual at a time.

  • Anonymous

    They(libs) cannot handle the truth.  I listened today for a couple min. to the Ed Shultz radio talk and a conservative woman called in, and he shouted at her that his show was for progressives and hung up on her!  I was flabbergasted at the rudeness, and no attempt at adult discussion.  I was looking for Rush Limbaugh’s talk show, by the way. 

  • Anonymous

    Just out of curiosity, did Ms Madcow have any insights into why women staffers in the WH are paid 18% less than their male counterparts, across the board? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • Anonymous

    She needs to talk to the execs that pay her salary……apparently she’s unhappy with her hours and needs to re-negotiate her pay. Nothing worse than a woman scorned.

  • Anonymous

    The left can stretch, distort, omit and outright lie without regards to the facts. Facts are what they say they are at any given time. Facts are obstacles to be overcome and dealt with by any means necessary to support the agenda.

    In this case it’s to muddy the water to take the spotlight off what is really happening. Keep people confused, upset and out of touch with the real problems that the country faces.
    Unfortunately mad cow disease is running rampant in the media.

  • Marian Pajarillo

    as Travis replied I’m stunned that a stay at home mom can get paid $5024 in a few weeks on the computer. did you look at this webpage 

    (Click On mY name For the Link)

  • Herb

    Again and again I hear on the PA system at Lowes or Home Depot, “Can I get a male associate in aisle 7?”. These big national chains better not have different pay schedules for different genders if they don’t want the NLRB all over them. 

    I worked on large machinery. A single wrench might weigh thirty pounds. My personal toolbox weighed seventy pounds. I got my job by taking a test that was open to anyone, and then took a class to learn what I was doing.  There were eighty people in the class, three of them women. Two of the women dropped out or failed. On the rare occasions I heard about the remaining woman it was because her co-workers were complaining that she wouldn’t carry her own toolbox, and she couldn’t really hold up her own end. I recently read an article about a physical fitness program to increase women’s upper body strength so they could get good paying construction jobs. One side note in the article was they admitted a lot of women were injured, probably because it’s a lot easier to increase muscle strength than to increase bone and joint strength.

    I’ve known a lot of hard working, competent women. There are almost certainly some things a man is highly unlikely to be able to do well. Government policy can’t, and shouldn’t be directed toward eliminating actual gender differences.

  • Gary Allan

    typical liberalism, they dont care, liberal media doesn’t fact check.

  • Anonymous

    We have to remember, that the ideology of the “progressives” is equality and fairness. Of course, these are concepts that simply don’t exist in nature. They believe in a sense of equal mediocrity for all. Where nobody is greater or less than anybody else. True communism. Of course, us level headed realists know that in communism you have everybody poor and hungry except the top few that live in opulent splendor…how fair!. It is the ultimate in the widening of the gap of the super rich and super poor. So their ultimate utopian society is the very example of what they claim to despise. Thus the mental illness which is liberalism. But I digress.

    So, if you believe that a brain surgeon should make (after taxes and spreading the wealth around) about the same as say, a landscaper or baker….of course you are going to advocate for equal pay between men and women regardless of the value they personally offer. As an example, the left and their union buddies fight to make sure really crappy school teachers make exactly the same as the best teacher in the state. In many cases, even more, since they have been really crappy teachers longer. Afterall, it’s only fair.  In reality, your worth is dictated by your abilities, productivity, reliability, and overall character. Sometimes this means women are worth more than men, and other times men may be worth more than women.  It’s not a gender issue, but an issue of value of service.

    Personally, I think attractive, smart, unbiased, heterosexual femal journalists should make the same as ugly, ignorant, biased, lesbian female journalists. But are they Rachel, huh, are they? 


  • Anonymous

    Actually, the data from several large studies showed that, as of 2010, women and men are undergoing a shift in pay in which women now earn more than men when they possess jobs that require the same educational certification.  There is also something that needs to be considered here.  In 2011, there were 5 women graduating from US colleges for every 1 man. The numbers were nearly equal for those who started college, but graduating classes showed a very different result.  This seems to indicate a gender gap that will, within a few years completely upend the work force.  There has been much speculation on these subjects as to the reasons.  Even within the LDS church schools the ratio is female to male graduation at 3 to 1.  The only gender discrimination that still exists and always will as the rule, rather than the occasional exception, is jobs in which physical strength and size are required. Even this is becoming a thing of the past as we become more and more technological and automated. I have to wonder what is causing this.  I have heard explanations that range from shrugged shoulders to speculation that we have denigrated masculine gender roles to the point that boys no longer feel a societal pressure to achieve an education and parlay that into a good income because they no longer feel like they are the breadwinners of the home.  I have also read studies that examined these hypotheses and they found one major difference that argues against a societal ability to sustain a true role reversal. These studies show that stay-at-home men were rarely as productive as their female counterparts and that this was beginning to cause tensions in society because once again, it is the women who are accomplishing all of the work at home and now, in the workplace.  Personally, I do not welcome a society in which laziness is considered part of a gender role and in which men feel no compulsion to provide for their families, and, in which women now have to not only carry children, give birth, play a major role in the raising of that child and now, be responsible for an adult child that will eat her out of house and home with little contribution to the care and rearing of children.  I know that this is not the case in EVERY case, but I have taught teens for a long time and it worries me that boys no longer feel much pressure to be a provider.  This is not simply a male role, but while women often seem to be able to achieve success in the work world, men as a whole do not achieve when they are only at home. An unwillingness to see anything through and a habit of letting someone else do all the work does not bode well for our society.  Rachel Maddow has her own axe to grind and she is always angry and she hates men.  That’s all well and good, but anyone these days who is stupid enough to believe that men and women function in interchangeable roles is a fool.  We can now observe the brain performing various tasks using MRA’s and other scans and this ability has shown that we were correct in our original thinking that there are profound differences between the genders in physiologic, genetic terms. Lo and behold, men and women are DIFFERENT.  As a sex, both excel in different areas.  Men do not multitask as easily and women do not parallel park as well.  Please do not come on and lambast me for a “blanket assumption”.  I know that. But when we carry role reversal too far, it is not an equalizer, it is a societal killer.  We simply cannot survive generations of pampered, lazy boys who do not know how to work.  Women have already demonstrated that they can corner markets in school and work, but most of them now realize that Gloria Steinham is a fool.  There is simply no such thing as the superwoman who can, like the Enjoi commercials of the 70’s, “bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never, never let you forget you’re a man”.  It simply is not possible to be everything for everybody, regardless of sex.  Another profound lesson here is that women who choose traditional roles are performing the most important service to society that exists-raising the next generation.  You know, my wife had a degree long before I did, yet, because she chose to stay at home and raise our children, WOMEN have attacked her.  As if her choice to stay home with children was foisted on her.  That is the one fallacy of the feminist movement.  They simply refuse to believe that it could be fulfilling for a woman to raise her children as a stay-at-home mom.  They tout “choice”, but they themselves are the worst enemy to any woman who chooses to sacrifice her own desires in placing her children’s needs ahead of her own.  In schools, boys have learned that all male traits are evil and are simply the product of rigid societal teaching.  I am a trained geneticist, an expert in molecular biology, yet, I still often hear this garbage from my own colleagues.  Folks, gender cannot be taught.  It is part of who we are and a profound portion of our identity and it is genetics that make us this way.  This does not mean that men should be jerks or women should be slaves.  It means that anyone who thinks that my granddaughter’s main caregiver (me) taught her female traits that she expresses without thought…is an idiot.  We should be past these ideas now.  If we fail to train our boys in something as simple as a parental responsibility to provide love, shelter, income and food for their families, our society will not survive.  Testosterone, left to its own devices minus responsibility….well, you do the math. Only a complete moron could believe that this could result in anything good.  Being a strong, loving, responsible husband and father is no more evil than a mother who completes college and makes the choice to be there for her children.  And being an abusive jerk who uses muscle mass and laziness to control women is not a genetic trait, it is simply evil.  If we fail to teach our boys what it means to be a true man (the former), they will almost certainly become the latter.  In society’s rush to condemn the latter, this is EXACTLY what we are seeing, and it has nothing to do with the number or presence of the X or Y chromosomes we possess.

  • Ufupuw

    Maddow did another show on this topic

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