No taxes on the middle class? Lies! Obamacare now Obamatax

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The Supreme Court ruled that the individual mandate portion of Obamacare is constitutional because it is a tax. That’s right, mandates are now taxes, which means, technically speaking, President Obama lied to the American people.

“First of all, is there any doubt in your mind there is no way Obamacare would have passed if they called it a tax at the beginning,” Stu asked. “If when they were proposing this, they said it was a tax, there would be no way it would have passed.”

Obama, who promised time and time again that he would NOT raise taxes on the middle class, has now effectively raised taxes on the middle class because the individual mandate was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court.

“Barack Obama’s main promise in his campaign that he would not raise taxes on the middle class officially dies with that decision because now it is 100 percent enshrined in history that he has raised taxes on the middle class,” Stu continued.

Remember when the Obama administration was out in full force swearing that this mandate-with-a-penalty couldn’t be considered a tax? To refresh your memory, below are a few flashbacks…

When Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was questioned about whether or not the individual mandate could be considered a tax, she claimed, rather unconvincingly, that it is not a tax:

SEBELIUS: I think it operates, this thing, the way a tax would operate but it is not, per se, a tax.

When President Obama was asked by George Stephanopoulos whether or not he understood that the dictionary definition of a tax seems to apply to the provisions of the Obamacare mandate, the President cried foul:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Merriam Webster’s dictionary a tax: a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.

OBAMA: George, the fact that you’ve looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, that the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now.

When Congressman Scott Garrett grilled White House budget director Jeff Zients over the tax-like qualities the individual mandate seemed to possess, Zients attempted to uphold the stance that the penalty incurred by middle class families for not purchasing insurance is not a tax:

GARRETT: You said there’s no tax increases on people who make under $250,000. If I make under $250,000 and I do not buy health insurance as I’m required to under the Affordable Healthcare Act , is that a tax on me or is that not a tax on me?

ZIENTS: Well, this is –

GARRETT: You’ve said there’s no tax

ZIENTS: There’s not.

GARRETT: So, that’s not a tax?

ZIENTS: No.

Now that it has been ruled that the individual mandate IS in fact a tax, there is no longer any other way to spin it, and President Obama has officially raised taxes on the middle class.

“We can use this as a wake-up call or we can victimize. I am not a victim of Obama. Are you a victim, because I’m not a victim,” Glenn said. “He’s made me stronger. He’s like a virus. As long as you finish your antibiotics – we haven’t finished our antibiotics. We’ve taken about half of our medicine. We have to finish the entire flight.”

“It will make us stronger,” he continued. “If you don’t finish your medicine, it makes the virus stronger. Progressivism is a deadly virus, deadly to the Constitution. There’s only going to be one standing, one winner. I know which one it is. Saddle up, boys. Saddle up.”

  • Anonymous

    You bet he is a liar.  Just ask the Illinois bar who were going to revoke his law license, but we never knew because of the media.  Instaed, Obama got word and gave up his license instead yet continued to teach constitutional law.  Hope & change is great isn’t it!  Now he can TAX those in the middles class.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Today the betrayal of those justices of the SCOTUS who supported Obamacare is complete. The administration often said it is not a new tax, then declared that it is a tax, thus showing the complete hypocritical lengths it would go to in order to pervert justice due to the people of the nation.

    Now there will be no limits via regulations and executive fiat of what Obama and his cronies can have added to the Obamacare in the way of taxation.

    I will not be shocked in the least if over the weekend there is a massive series of taxes or ‘fees’ or such as they chose to call them, suddenly added into the mess.

    Welcome to the new world of Obama Communism.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WGMLZHEFU7HFMTCZX673MSAHJQ Joe

    watching glenn beck lose it, Priceless !!!!!

  • landofaahs

    Just think of all the taxes on medical devices like toothbrushes.  It’s time to clean out washington dc from top to bottom with no exceptions.

  • Beckoning_Cat

    I’m going to be paying out the wazzoo for something my husband and I do not want. Thanks Obama for punishing the already struggling middle class. We have other things to pay for such as rent, utilities, gas, groceries, clothing, etc. You have made this so much harder for my husband and I’s combined income of $40,000. 

  • landofaahs

    Just wait Joe when you see the prices on your six-pack. lol

  • landofaahs

    I will not be satisfied until all who had a hand in allowing this obamacare tried for treason, found guilty and receive the ultimate penalty.

  • Anonymous

    Suits well to all the assholes who voted that traitor in. Lick your wounds!

  • http://2.gp/p7Nu Jennifer E. Holbert

    The administration often said it is not a new tax, then declared that it is a tax, http://DemoforFrank.blogspot.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/mostlyharmless22 Kathy Bryant

    Can’t at least the ones who said that to Congress be held in contempt? Let’s move on that. Lying to Congress is supposed to be a crime isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Vote for the Bill before we read it…

     It is not a tax….

     Now it is a tax and we are stuck with it… 

    If that ain’t Taxation without representation… The term doesn’t exist..

     Now they say our choice is Obama or Romney…should have been Paul but certain people think that  tyranny only exist when it is against them. It was cool that Paul was against the Fed and spending, but against getting involved oversea in other country…

     Well hell that’s American interest… We can’t vote for him.

     You say… I rather vote for one of these other two idiots and give up some more freedom. 

    Tyranny, Taxation without representation, Peoples voices not heard, expansion of federal authority. Didn’t we fight a Revolution over crap like this.

     Secession or Revolution… Those are your choices now.

     At least that how the boys at the VFW feel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathy.a.kelton Kathy Ann Kelton

    He can wait till he’s elected again, and then watch out, all hell’s
    gonna break loose. The middle class will be no more.
    Thank You Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/simon.wolfendale Simon Wolfendale

    Empty headed pricks

  • http://www.facebook.com/DTaglione Darlene Taglione

    I am so tired of this president and the people who support him. 
    Ok, I could forgive them in the beginning.  But now…to continue…to make excuses for his supporters is getting harder and harder.

    I told my daughter today, this is our punishment – God gave us the best nation – everything – resources, respect, money, land, good people from every land  and we kicked God out for people like Obama, for abortions on demand, drugs, sex, divorce, .  look out we are getting what we asked for. In the beginning I thought some of these things were ok.  Now that I am older and I see what has happened to our country.  I know these decisions were wrong.

    I used to think that ‘kids’ would see this issue as parents aged and were treated unfairly but more and more I am afarid that the ‘kids’ have no moral compass to guide them and parents are useful tools for them.

    God have mercy on us now.

  • Anonymous

     Ron Paul stands for anti-interventionism, not isolationism. Haven’t we had enough already of being Policemen for the World? Furthermore, has anyone in authority, ever provided what the exact power of one (1) single super aircraft carrier possesses? And how many does the USA, UK, France,et al have stationed at all points around the world? And, lest we forget, there are innumerable subs, frigates, drones, etc. filling in the matrix at all positions in between…Boots on the ground? A relatively small number of highly trained, superbly equipped, specialists cooperating completely–air, ground, water–in an all-arms Force can accomplish much more than entire divisions! Moreover, one only needs to check out the status of “Elite Forces” throughout the world & it will become readily apparent that that’s what is already taking place in this world today. Vote Ron Paul 2012!

  • Anonymous

    How many times can one president betray the American people and not be accused of treason?

  • Anonymous

    Obama is the biggest liar who ever held office. 

  • Anonymous

    I thought that glenn beck was fired from Fox News, but he continues to follow their idiotic talking points.
    Now, after the SC ruled with objectivity, the crazies at FN and glenn beck are spinning and twisting the results to try another way to slam a health care plan that provides help for Americans.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is trying to systematically decrease the size of this awesome fighting force that you are referring to.  I cannot endorse a man who doesn’t see that protecting our number one ally, Israel, is a moral obligation.  Are you the kind of person who defends his best friend?  Well??? Are you or aren’t you??

  • Anonymous

    I know I mentioned Obama but I also don’t like Ron Paul.  They both betray Israel.

  • http://www.Liberals-Suck.com/ SoThere

    You’re a hypocrite strtlk.

    There’s nothing that you idiots can do that can’t be undone.

    LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Actually Kathy, wait until…basically tomorrow.  If Obama has any inkling that he’ll lose the election in November, the SCOTUS ruling here will exacerbate his ability and determination to tax us all to poverty from the top down.  You and I are about to witness the most Communistic five months of policy initiatives in US history.  

  • Anonymous

    Beck left Fox News voluntarily.  You’ve stated a falsehood by saying he was fired.  You’ve typed an inaccuracy and it has been blatantly refuted.  Accept it and move on or live in denial.  

  • Anonymous

    I’m a pretty peaceful man, but I’ve just decided that I want to buy a gun.

  • Anonymous

    Antibiotics don’t work on viruses…

  • Anonymous

    Universal helthcare will become a nightmare for Americans. Before you know it, people will be taxes heavily to support this healthcare system. If more money is needed to keep it going, you will see new taxes every year. Anything the government runs will depend on more taxes and less accountability. to administer this system alone will cost billions, not to mention the healthcare that it should provide.

  • MarsBarsTru7

     Peter Schiff also gave a good summary of what this means.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCyEC9r_mk

  • Anonymous

    well i am from illinois … which is one of the most corrupt states that’s in the hole … and gee … our president is from illinois.  he’s putting the country in a hole just like illinois is.  shocker huh!!

  • Anonymous

    why aren’t people pushing for him to be impeached?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee-Sullivan/100000256745869 Lee Sullivan

    Likewise!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1479231744 Margie Ryan

    Obama Lies, Taxes Rise!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ann-Larson/100001468097788 Ann Larson

    If you’re going to buy a gun, you better do it before Obama makes it a health issue with ObamaCare that guns are bad for you and therefore outlawed!  I’m just saying…

  • Anonymous

    AMERICA. Wake up  we got to get this LYING RAT,Hussein Obama OUT of office ,come NOV it’s our chance to do it or   ,our AMERICA is toast.

  • Anonymous

     Again you betray your lack of education and innate stupidity.
    1. Beck was not “fired” from Fox News.
    2. SCOTUS did not rule with objectivity. It was an activist ruling which rewrote the law.
    3. Obamacare does not provide help for Americans. It taxes those who least can afford to pay for the hangers on, the welfare crowd, the druggies, the smokers and the self imposed sick. More than 60% of US citizens oppose the mandate and most of the rest of Obamacare.
    4. Why should anyone be forced to pay for medical care that they may not want or cannot use? I can’t take any FDA approved drug, nor do I want any AMA doctor misdiagnosing me again. After 40 yrs of bad treatment that rises to the level of malpractice from AMA doctors, I quit. Much healthier now. I don’t want ins companies or bureaucrats determining for me what kind of treatment I am “allowed” to have, either.
    5. “spinning and twisting”? You are stupid. BO and the other progressives spun and twisted to get this abomination passed, and insisted that the mandate wasn’t a tax. Yet, the court said-it isn’t the perogative of the court to protect the people from their stupid political choices. Congress taxed and they don’t have the right to this mandate under the commerce clause only under taxing authority.
    The Court, for whatever reason, undercut BO by so ruling and also unless we vote out the miscreants and repeal the abomination, we will go bankrupt sooner than later.

  • Anonymous

     True. Too bad many doctors don’t know this. My experience……

  • Anonymous

    Currently projected $17 TRILLION in costs.
    Anything ins or govt involved in costs 10x more than necessary. ie. I had a broken leg. I was covered under company ins. My copay-$1000.00. Ins cost to doctors $22,000.00(20x in this case).
    Cost straight to orthopod (self pay) $800.00
    This was in 2002. more now.
    Insurance and the government are the problems, not the solution. Take them out and medicine will be competitive, maybe even useful.

  • Anonymous

     I hate what BO has done, but your gossip about his law license is just that and may even be slander. Stick to the facts, he lied about taxes, Fast and Furious and everything else he has said, especially about his background. We don’t need to repeat gossip and possible lies about unprovable and probably untrue law license.
    I know the laws of Illinois regarding law licenses. If there had been action against him that could have resulted in revocation (and it takes charges, a hearing etc) it would be on the public record that such action took place. It is not. Any Illinois licensed attorney can “retire” his license or get put on inactive by a simple request. If you are not using your license, and I don’t think he ever did, which also puts the lie to revocation (he would have had to done something very wrong while acting as a lawyer), it is prudent to retire or go inactive, rather than spend huge fees each year and go through the onerous CE requirements.
    Proceedings preparatory to disbarment and disciplinary actions are recorded on the public record. There are none such. In addition, you don’t need a law license to teach Constitutional law, though his qualifications to do so are severely lacking, since he hasn’t a clue as to what the Constitution is. After all, he was educated at Harvard, a hotbed of progressive stupidity and Constitution hating idiots whom he worshipped.

  • Brandon Sutliff

     i just escaped from there Florida is nice no snow

  • http://ufil.ms/bK6Pk Patricia J. Dubois

    Now there will be no limits via regulations and executive fiat of what Obama and his cronies can have added to the Obamacare in the way of taxation. http://FoxGetPositionWork.blogspot.com

  • Anonymous

    1. You are so naive. Whenever anyone gains a certain rank or level within a company/government they are not fired, they are asked to resign. Same thing.
    2. How can you portray this as an activist ruling when 5 liberal and conservative justices voted objectively on its Constitutionality.
    3. I am actually impressed on how you can take a health care program that helps college students and protects those with preexisting conditions as a tax to support hangers. Also, when did a person on welfare become a lesser person than yourself? Arrogant prick.
    4. After 40 years of bad treatment? Wow, you are extremely intelligent to wait 40 years to stop your medical treatments. If you don’t want to participate in America’s health care, by golly, leave. No one is forcing you to stay in America.
    5. Keep spinning like every other Conservative who was stomach punched today.

  • http://www.Liberals-Suck.com/ SoThere

    Folks, this is the Face of a Liberal Progressive. Last week he was threatening the SCOTUS with death.

    This ruling isn’t the end, the SCOTUS didn’t say Obamacare couldn’t be repealed.

    Save America, vote Conservative.

  • http://www.Liberals-Suck.com/ SoThere

    Don’t despair it’s not the end. It might be a good thing.  Many independents were against Obamacare.  Many Blacks and Hispanics were also.  Obama only won in 2008 by 2% points. He can only run on Hope and Change once, people now see what he’s all about.  Over 60% of the people in the US think Obamacare should be repealed.

    Obama just gave the people in this country of all classes a huge tax increase.  He lied when he said he wouldn’t raise taxes on the middle class but this did just that.

    The SCOTUS didn’t say Obamacare couldn’t be repealed so save America, vote Conservative.  It’s not too late.  Obama has crapped on the Constitution for too long.

    This could be a good thing, really, it can only give votes to Romney.  We only need 50% plus one.  The Liberal Senate is on shaky ground, liberals will never take the house because they walked out of the Contempt vote for Holder.

    They were like the idiots who walked out in Wisconsin. Actually, things are looking up for us guys.  This might just be a god send.

    Heads up, Save America, Vote Conservative.

  • Anonymous

    How amusing.  We were lied to?  Hello!  Are they politicians?   I rest my case.
    The folks, realizing they were lied to, (”No, this isn’t a tax.”) will be fighting mad. And hopefully,they will vote the Liar-in-Chief out of office.   All it takes is enough votes.  Presuming, therewill not be votes which suddenly appear if the count is not going in B.O.’s favor. Yeah, I expect voter fraud.

  • Anonymous

    Darlene, if things move along like this, assuming B.O. has a 2nd term, your children

    (and those of other parents) may NEVER have the life style that you have now.

    You might want to point that out to them.  IF reelected, B.O. will have no compunction

    to ask for higher taxes.  If he can get Congress to comply.  How do the young people

    feel about paying higher taxes and seeing less in their paychecks?  How will they feel

    about passing along this nation’s debt to their children?  Your grandchildren.

  • Anonymous

    Do you know as an employer you will now have to cover temp. and part time workers on your heath care plan. You say O K i’ll pay the tax and let them get their own heathcare, which will mean Obama care.( Remember you have to have heath care now. ) and then you will have to pay an dearly for your own coverage ( no longer on the group plan you dropped because you have to cover all employees) and you will have to let any employee go to the doc. anytime they request or the goverment will come after you……Yes That Is In The Plan…READ IT>> 
    Oh and now that everyone has it and only 50% of them work.(.FACT) the lines at the Doc. Office will be all day not an hour or two like before…and if you are really sick you will have to wait behind 10 or 15 people that just have a regular visit or a simple cold. They don’t mind if you have to work on your day off to catch up. As long as you do just that so they can eat cheese puffs and watch Opra on the T V you paid for in the house your tax money covers for them.
    It’s all good, with the Baby Moma’s, and the lazy loffers, just like Eddie in Christmas Vacation they are waiting for managment position….RIGHT!!!

  • Anonymous

    That is part of the problem, snow.  There is a lot contained in this Affordable Health

    Care bill that doesn’t have a thing to do with health care.  If the whole thing goes for-

    ward, all may be surprised by sudden regulations, fines, taxes and who knows what.

    Lord help us if the man gets a 2nd term.  Hold tight to your wallet!

  • Anonymous

    S.T., I caught that similarity to the Wisconsin walkout too.   

    Another post here says something about getting those involved with

    Obamacare.  Guess that would be all Dems in Congress in ’09 who

    worked on and passed the bill.  No Reps were involved.  They were

    locked out of planning and, at this point, it was a good thing for them.

  • Anonymous

    Really ! ? They wouldn’t let people vote that are not Americans or that are in jail, or even the dead would they? Surly not. And look at the people O B appointed as judges,WACKO’s.Freakazoids.

  • Anonymous

    I have one word for you, Ed.   Medicare.  Remember when that came into being under

    LBJ?   We were told it would only cost X dollars per year.  Then costs went up.  And

    then they went up again.  And again.  And again.   Expect the same for this Affordable

    Health Care plan.  Affordable?  What a misuse of the word!

  • Anonymous

    And they will now limit the amount and type of care you have. Tax you for it,and let you die if you are old…….Thanks Alot FOOL’S

  • Anonymous

    E mail your Govenor to opt your state out of the plan….this is one way we can beat this ..to few in the plan means no money to fund the program. and people will more across state lines to avoid it and take there jobs with them. That will force other states to opt out…

  • Chuck Moore

    This video helped me understand the need for ACA
    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/48006553#48006553

  • Lioness

    Yes poor people in our current system are not always granted the best health care, but they do receive care regardless. Now, with Obama care, we’re going to “level the playing field”. With no incentive to work for better care, and no incentive for doctors to do better as well, we will all end up with inadequate health care. Yea, death panels and rationing care, free abortions for all! Nothing like population control under the guise of helping the poor.  

    Come on libs, he said he was going to “fundamentally transform America”. What is the only other style of government you could possibly transform into? And for all you hard core socialists, why can’t you get it through your thick ass skulls, the money and incentive always run dry. Is human nature completely incomprehensible to you? This is insane, fight conservatives! Fight for our freedom! Four more years of this insanity will destroy this great country.

  • Chuck Moore

    A PacifiCare “Medical Underwriting Guidelines” document from 2003 lists under “Ineligible Occupations” such risk-takers as stunt people, test pilots and circus workers — along with police officers, firefighters and migrant workers.Uninsurable conditions included pregnancy, and being an “expectant father” was grounds for “automatic rejection.” So was having received “therapy/counseling” within six months of the application. There was also this more general disqualifier: “currently experiencing/experienced within the last 12 months symptoms for which a physician has not been consulted.”The PacifiCare document “is completely outdated and predates the acquisition of PacifiCare by United Healthcare,” Cheryl J. Randolph, a spokeswoman for the parent company, said by e-mail. She declined to provide current underwriting documents.”Underwriting enables insurers to adequately assess risks, keeping premium costs lower for more consumers,” she added.Health Net guidelines for 2006 say that people could be denied coverage or charged higher premiums if they were taking certain medications, including Zyrtec, an allergy remedy, and Lamisil, which is widely advertised as a treatment for toenail fungus.Pregnant women could be rejected, as could expectant fathers, the document said.A Health Net spokeswoman did not respond to requests to comment.Blue Cross of California guidelines for 2004 said potential disqualifiers included chronic tonsillitis and, under certain circumstances, varicose veins.Kristin E. Binns, a spokeswoman for parent company WellPoint, said by e-mail that she could not comment on the guidelines because they are from years ago.

  • Rvdixie

    I am by no means a legal or congressional scholar however it appears to me that we are missing something here. This bill was passed as a mandate and not a tax. Shouldn’t congress have to go back and vote on this thing as it is now constructed as a tax? How can they change the bill without a vote?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4IIJBOMTK3JS5XA55ECQ6OO7FQ Mike Pennington

    didn’t we revolt the last time we had an issue with taxation without representation?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HAW7OERGSC7VZM72V7IGDJ3B4 Sharmane

    We really have only ourselves to blame for this debacle.   Although I personally did not vote for the communist (my husband immigrated legally to the US with his family at age 10 from Cuba so he sniffed Obama out before his first term) many others jumped on the first black president bandwagon.   The only solution now is to have people turn out in droves to kick just about every incumbent, with few exceptions, to the curb in November.   That is our mandate.   Otherwise, we will keep barreling down the path to tyranny.

  • Anonymous

    Obamacare = Obamatax

    Who does this really affect:

    A) The “Rich” already have the best health insurance money can by.

    B) The “Upper middle class” No they already have insurance and can pay their insurance premiums

    C) The “Middle class” that are surviving but can’t afford insurance

    D) The “Lower class” that can in no way afford insurance

    E) The “Poor and Elderly”. No they already have Medicare and Medicaid

    So the implementation of Obamacare hurts the “Middle Class” and the “Lower
    Class” exclusively. So if you can’t afford to have insurance now, you’re going
    to be taxed for being poor and unable to afford Health insurance.

     

    Great Law…. Wasn’t what Obama’s base was expecting to
    be penalized for being in the “Middle Class” or “Lower Class”

  • greywolfrs

    Just another thing that most people do not realize. Obamaocare puts a 3% tax on buying/selling a house. Who buys the most houses in the country? The answer : the middle class.

  • greywolfrs

    Unfortunately, most Americans are so dumbed down, they just go and  pull the lever for whatever name recognize. Most Americans HATE politics and this is a prime example of why. Hell, I do not particularly like them either, but I have seen which way this country is going for a long time. I guess my point is simple, with a dumbed down electorate, this is a big task.

  • greywolfrs

    Yes, but this time it will be the second civil war. See, there are actually people who like this socialism crap. Those people will come out and fight for idiots liike Obamao. The blacks (most but not all) will fight for Obamao simply because he is black. The hispanics will fight for Obamao because they think he is going to give them something. Anyway, the point was simple, it will not be a revolt, it will be another civil war.

  • greywolfrs

    Don’t wait, and may I suggest that you buy two, a pistol and rifle.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey, sticky chin, I see you got your daily dose from Obamao’s blue-veined yogurt dispenser.

  • Anonymous

    And they say he isn’t devisive and elitist! Pig in a poke, that’s all Barry and his Obamatax are.

  • Anonymous

    “That American Interest and we can’t vote for him” ( that’s called sarcasm there Sheldon from Big Bang theory)

  • Anonymous

    What is ridiculous is these people haven’t bought health insurance because they don’t want to….. they don’t have health insurance because they can’t afford it…. Now they will get TAXED for not having the money to buy health insurance….. It’s a catch 22..

  • Anonymous

    All these middle class nut jobs that complain about the 1%ers… just got screwed by their buddy Obama…..

  • w. Parker

    Justice Roberts was a member of the Federalist Party.  Lincoln was a Federalist.  The Federalist Party of the United States were opposed by the DemocraticRepublicans including powerful figures such as Thomas Jefferson.  The Democratic-Republicans mainly believed that:The Legislative had too much power (mainly because of the Necessary and Proper Clause) and that they were unchecked.The Executive branch had too much power, and that there was no check on him. A dictator would arise.A bill of rights should be coupled with the constitution to prevent a dictator (then believed to eventually be the president) from exploiting citizens. The federalists, on the other hand, argued that it was impossible to list all the rights, and those that were not listed could be easily overlooked because they were not in the official bill of rights. Rather, rights in specific cases were to be decided by the judicial system of courts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000069001244 Dawn Conner Thorpe

    lier, lier, pants on fire  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000069001244 Dawn Conner Thorpe

    we did not lose the war only a battle..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000069001244 Dawn Conner Thorpe

    on a town hall telephone call last night, my representative stated BO falls not very short of “treason”

  • Sandie

    ST, when I heard about all those Dems running out of the House to avoid the contempt vote, it was like dejavu. Wisconsin came to mind immediately.

  • http://www.Liberals-Suck.com/ SoThere

    Chickens escaping the Roost. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha They should run away more often, life would be easier for everyone. I heard that Pelosi was moving so fast she almost choked on her false teeth on the way out.

    LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Brought to you by the socialist dictator wannabe…

  • Sandie

    Too many in his base don’t have the intelligence or insight to realize that. There needs to be a lot of MSM info going out there.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Looks to me like the Supreme Court Justices, especially Roberts, decided not to decide. His opinion was a lot of doublespeak and very much resembled a man caught in a political debacle that he wanted very much not to be a part of.

    The Supreme Court let the citizens down, and this should be communicated to them. I’d like to see another suit challenging this law and every detail of it. Give the justices a few more chances to get this right. Tell them on every editorial page in every newspaper and make sure they know how the people really feel about this insanely ridiculous law.

    The decision is basically that the mandate is unconstitutional, but the mandate is a rightful tax by Congress and the IRS, but not buying health insurance and breaking the law is OK, because the government can’t penalize you for not buying health insurance – they can only legally tax you for not buying health insurance. The Obama Administration and Democrat party supporters of the law refuse to call it a tax, but the Supreme court says it is a tax…

    A masterpiece of circular reasoning by some of the most highly educated minds in American government. Is anyone tired of these idiot elitist fools ruining and running our lives?

    This cannot be allowed to stand. Contact your Senators and Representatives and every other politician up for reelection and tell them what you think about this horrid example of modern day slavery. It’s atrocious, outrageous, insane, and unbridled chutzpah on the part of the party of the nanny statists. No more liberals or progressives in positions of political power at any level! These people don’t want to serve the people, they want to roast them on a spit and eat them.

  • Sandie

    ROYFLMAO! What a picture that conjures up.

  • Sandie

    If he was going to say it is allowable to charge for it as a tax, then it is time to go after them again because a tax has to be fair and equitable. Those who have Healthcare Insurance provided to them by their employers, (like congress and the SCOTUS, unions, state workers and many others) little or nothing for it. They get basically free insurance and are not taxed – nothing comes out of their pockets (as far as government workers go, their insurance is paid for out of J. Q. Publics taxes). Those who have no free insurance have to pay for it or now pay what is finally honestly called a “TAX”. They have already paid for the insurance the government workers get for free and now have to pay their own way or get unfairly taxed. So how is it fair and equitable to tax some people and not others? The free insurance to those who are so special (especially Congress and the POTUS) is not taxed as income in even the slightest effort to make the system fair! SO the little man is taxed to support the big man….. OWS and the left who championed Obamacare and are supposedly all for the little guy aren’t even aware of this. Not even a clue. The fools are tools. So, the rich who can afford but get medical insurance free get a break, while those who make less than $250,000 are getting taxed up the ying yang ( another Obama lie) because they won’t be able to afford to take $700 – $1200 a month out of their pockets to pay for insurance. Instead they will pay taxes for not being able to buy insurance, and on top of all that, they still won’t have inbsurance, which this Obamacare was supposed to fix – affordable insurance for everyone. It was all a lie and the joke is on those who fell for it. . . no wondter the pictures of Obama as the joker.

  • greywolfrs

    Isn’t that the way it always goes? These clowns are being brought down and taking the rest with them. It’s like the guy on top of the building threatening to jump. If he were serious, he would have jumped. Instead, he waits for someone to show up to try and stop him, then grabs them and takes them along with him.

  • Anonymous

    Well said.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe those people just need a little push….. i mean help…LOL

  • Sandie

    Thank you MG

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    These idiots don’t realize that Obamacare is just like COBRA where people who lose their jobs can continue on the employers health plan by paying what they always did for the coverage, plus the employer’s part of their health insurance cost, (effectively a double bill), and a 10% surcharge for administrative costs. Basically it’s 110% of what they payed while employed. That’s un-affordable healthcare by anyone’s measure which is why most people don’t use the COBRA option in the first place.

    Yes, they are some geniuses these liberal progressive supporters of ACA – they should spend some time researching what the impact for them is before jumping on the bandwagon. The United States of America’s citizens took a big hit in the wallet with this lack of a decision, but Vicky thinks he won big on this.

    Progressives, what a bunch of dopes.

  • Sandie

    They seem to forget also, or never knew, that the Insurance industry will be accessed with a tax,, most of which will be passed right on to the employer/employee in increased premiums. There is no way HC will become cheaper.

  • Anonymous

    This has never been about healthcare. This has always been about insurance…insurance that they maintain the American people under a boot of taxation within the vise of slavery.

  • Sandie

    ie: it is a “control” issue. The more they put on us, the more control they have and the less freedom we have.

  • Anonymous

    It’s also an elitist’s way of saddling the individual with so much financial responsibility they can’t have more than a meager existence.

  • Anonymous

    “*insert mandated expense here” will naturally skyrocket”…

    *electricity costs, healthcare costs, fuel prices, food prices, any number of products and services that have come to represent modern life.

    It’s the way rich elite progressives view life – as long as they get theirs, the hell with everyone else.

  • Anonymous

    goes without saying…I was calling it ObamaTAX within an hour of the ruling… no surprise there.

  • Anonymous

    in other words…they confiscate your home through the bank, tax you to oblivion and voila! you are their slave for eternity

  • greywolfrs

    Uh, is it not treason to order a drone to kill a person who holds US citizenship? I would think so. Whether you liked the guy or not, Al-Awackjob, the cleric in Yemen, held US citizenship. Obamao oredered a drone to kill him. That is treason.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3HGLNHVHSVWHILPMPW2JNUWWHE Wayne Gunter

    Bought a Mossberg 500 410 pistol grip this year.  Plan on a 38 special next!

  • greywolfrs

    Mossberg is a great shotgun, but may I suggest something other than a .38. Most police forces went away from the .38 because it lacked stopping power. They went to the Glock .40. Just a thought, but you may want to look into something else. I always preferred the Colt Government issue, but that is just me.

  • greywolfrs

    You said it correctly the first time… ;)

  • Bonnie Somer

    I hope all who voted for this communist anti American nut job are happy b/c the rest of the country isn’t.  All our freedom comes from GOD not obama and our constitution is being shredded by this loon.  We must get back to that constitution and the boat will right itself.  People are I hope for freedom if not then there are still many countries u can go to and have none.  NOT HERE and take obama w/u. 

  • greywolfrs

    Well, in rstar38′s defense, sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come across these forums very well.

  • greywolfrs

    Betray Israel? We hand them weapons from here to tomorrow. We hand them 10 billion in cash alone every year. They are armed to the teeth, because of us. None of the other countries in the region can come close to matching their military and you think we have not done enough. Sorry, but people like you need your head examined. You would perpetuate our down fall in the name of protecting another country.

    By the way, before spouting any more media B S, you really should go and find out what Dr. Paul actually said, not what they told you. Cutting off foreign aid to ALL other countries is about our country, not theirs. We are broke and can not afford to hand out money to anyone.

  • Anonymous

    Betrayal of Israel because Mr. Paul advocates we do nothing about Iran who wants to wipe them off the face of the earth.  That is the one and only reason Mr. Paul is a piece of shit, not in my eyes, it’s not my opinion, he IS a piece of shit.  Fuck off and don’t ever reply to me again, I don’t like the way you talk to me.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, next time I think you should see reality. People like you are beyond dumb. The Russians are giving them that technology. (along with the Chinese and Pakistanis) You would treat the symptom, not the problem.
    On another note, why don’t you fuck off, you are on a public forum. You don’t like the reply, don’t make stupid comments, dumb M F er. You don’t like I way I talk you, too bad. I say it straight up.

  • Anonymous

    The hospital in my area has good food.  Why not come over to my house, talking the way you do to me.  You’ll find out how good it is.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Absolutely correct. It’s kind of apparent that Affordable isn’t really what this law is about.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Any citizen who allows the government to dictate what foods he can eat, and what medicines he should take, will soon find his health in as sorry a condition as are the souls of those who live under tyranny. You leave you blatantly arrogant socialist idiot. Sorry, that was a series of redundancies.

    1. Nobody resigned. Not the same thing
    2. It was an activist ruling because Roberts rewrote the legislation to deem it a tax, and he did it on his own. The law did not say it was a tax, Obama said it was not a tax and the argument before the Court concentrated on necessary and proper and commerce clause, which 5 of the Justices rejected. Only Roberts speaking for himself, rewrote the legis to deem it a tax to save the mandate which penalizes those of us who do not want to be dictated to by clueless bureaucrats, whether ins or governmental.
    You said a person on welfare is a lesser person, I didn’t. Welfare recipients get Medicaid. I don’t think any citizen should have to pay for others poor choices. You are the only arrogant “prick”, assuming by the poverty of your vocabulary, syntax and comprehension that you ostensibly have male genitalia, whether it works or not. I would guess not, given your hate and arrogance.
    Pelosi said no freeloaders. What are drug addicts, smokers, medicaid receipients but freeloaders? It doesn’t take 2700 pages of gabble and 180 new bureaucracies and 17 trillion in costs to “protect” college students (who have medical care through the colleges at low cost) and those with “preexisting conditions”. Insurance is the problem, not the solution.
    4. Like many, I worked, had insurance and assumed doctors knew what they were doing. Every time I was forced by WC or ins to see a doctor, I had a bad experience. For 40 years, I watched my parents get sicker every time they went to a doctor. I have not seen a doctor except for WC for 20 years. I will not take any FDA approved drug, nor will I see an AMA doctor voluntarily ever again. I will not be forced into any govt or ins determined “medical care”. You leave, if you like socialist medicine so much.
    5. You are the epitome of spin. Every citizen who believes in personal responsibility and individual rights and does not want their “health” dictated by clueless bureaucrats is angry.

  • Anonymous

    I hope you are right. Still, I think Roberts was wrong. He could have accomplished just as much with a more constitutional ruling.

  • http://www.Liberals-Suck.com/ SoThere

    Roberts was corrupted by Obama and the media. His job was to uphold the Constitution but decided to make his ruling because Of Social pressure and politics. I wasn’t surprised by the outcome, I’ve seen it before.

    We can remedy this, this November.

  • Anonymous

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  • http://goo.gl/SUQxK Right Fielder

    It depends on what the meaning of is is…

  • greywolfrs

    You are laughable. Another internet tough guy, when you are nothing but a punk bitch.

  • Anonymous

    The democrats way of reducing spending is to cut the military. One proposal is to reduce the size of the Marine Corps by one of it’s three divisions. A division of Marines is about 15,000 men/women. That is the same number of IRS agents they are adding. Great, 15,000 strong young men and women lose their jobs protecting us, and 15,000 worthless pensil pushers get paid more money to make sure we buy health insurance. I’d rather have the warriors than the IRS agents

  • Anonymous

    You are a fucking idiot.
    I hope that you can find a loop hole and never receive health care because it will be a blessing when you are gone!

  • Anonymous

    Still can’t read, can you? Can’t even formulate a relevant reply you ignorant fool. I receive health care; I refuse AMA, FDA medical care. Don’t need a loophole. I will not comply with Obamacare. The blessing will be if you get your “free” medical care and get a lobotomy. It will only improve your outlook, you angry, profane, uneducated eunuch.