I’ll ask this question again, since no one has ever answered on this site, If not Obama/Romney Care.  Then what?  How do we help the millions of American that don’t have healthcare get affordable healthcare.

All I hear, is why should I pay for someones else’s treatment.  Which to me does seem right as both a human being or if you follow a religion.

What is the answer? Its clear we need to do something because the Healthcare system is a mess.

I found this article in the New Yorker, that I think sums up the politicians

Unpopular Mandate, by Ezra Klein. Why do politicians reverse their positions? http://nyr.kr/LO1xmI

I’ll ask this question again, since no one has ever answered on this site, If not Obama/Romney Care.  Then what?  How do we help the millions of American that don’t have healthcare get affordable healthcare.

All I hear, is why should I pay for someones else’s treatment.  Which to me does seem right as both a human being or if you follow a religion.

What is the answer? Its clear we need to do something because the Healthcare system is a mess.

I found this article in the New Yorker, that I think sums up the politicians

Unpopular Mandate, by Ezra Klein. Why do politicians reverse their positions? http://nyr.kr/LO1xmI

“If you like your doctor you get to keep your doctor.”

Sounds so reassuring and cozy.  Really?  Keep?  How?  By force?  Will doctors who quit be fin.. er, taxed?

What isn’t stated in those “soothing” words is that your doctor may quit or “retire” because of the present administration’s policies.

“If you like your doctor you get to keep your doctor.”

Sounds so reassuring and cozy.  Really?  Keep?  How?  By force?  Will doctors who quit be fin.. er, taxed?

What isn’t stated in those “soothing” words is that your doctor may quit or “retire” because of the present administration’s policies.

thinkpeoplethinkthink is a typical liberal who misstates the facts. All people have access to healthcare whether they have health insurance or not. Obamacare does not guarantee access to healthcare, it attempts to ensure everyone has health insurance. A doctor does not have to accept and most will not accept insurance that does not compensate him/her for his/her services. By the way, the concept of insurance is to pay for catastrophic events, not for all maladies. The main reason health insurance costs so much is that people expect it to pay for everything.

Here is an interesting thought. If you file for bankruptcy, you can be absolved of your medical bills. You can’t do this with student loans, but you can definitely stick it to the hospitals. Why is that allowed? This is one aspect of our current system that should change. Hospitals are making up their loss by gouging insurance companies, which in turn pass the costs on to the consumer. People should be forced to downsize, and when possible pay their debt off in payments, yet they avoid this through bankruptcy. This coupled with cheap catastrophic insurance plans, would really make a difference. Never forgive medical bills, it’s like a mandate without the actual mandate. Obama care will force you to pay a penalty to the federal government and allow you to actually buy health insurance when you find out you have a major medical issue. How stupid is that? It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the problem here. Any government involvement in our current system should be limited to monitoring hospitals and insurance companies to insure that rates are fair for the services provided and to prevent fraud. Make our medical care more transparent. My parents are on Medicare with supplemental insurance and we never see a bill with the actual costs of each service provided. Why is that? Our current system needs to be tweaked not tossed. It can work well, we just need to think of real solutions that are not overreaching. The federal government is not good at managing things of this magnitude. Have you read the affordable health care act yet? I couldn’t, I don’t speak what ever language it’s written in.

I come to Barry Soetoro not to praise him, but to call him a fraud and a dictator wannabe.;)

For all you disillusioned people who voted for obama and now see him for the fraud he is, take this to heart Go to TheCyrkle Red Rubber Ball and listen and read.  You will be on the road to recovery.

First of all everyone makes choices.  How much do you pay for rent etc.  Perhaps a trailer to live in will allow you enough to purchase Catastrophic care to cover most things and then you pay for Dr. visits out of pocket.
The Bible tells us that all of our days were determined for us by God before we were even made and Jesus said in the form of a question “which of you with all your worrying can  add one inch to his stature or one hour to his life”.  We are also told to be satisfied if we have food and clothing.  Now if that is not enough, then I suggest you seek charity at your church.  Besides I don’t recall people not getting treated because they could not pay.  There is also monthly payments.  are you starting to get enough ideas?  Why can’t you be responsible for yourself is my question.  I answered yours so you answer mine.

I find it hard to believe that Drs. would quit their jobs, specially 83%.  It’s called income. Think about it.  Not going to happen. The odds of a Dr, quitting and going to work at Burger King or Jiffy Lube are higher than winning the Powerball. 

And if those days had not been CUT SHORT, NO HUMAN BEING WOULD ENDURE and SURVIVE, but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be CUT SHORT. Matthew 24:22

Government Universal Life Plan? G-U-L-P!!!

Most of the older generation of doctors have other sources of income.  I dont think it will be 80%, but I bet you a good 25-30% will retire early.

Other than te concerns of the doctors, doesnt anyone have a problem with having  radio device implant?!  I sure do!

There are several states that already have announced they WILL NOT implement the expansion of Medicaid such as Florida, Lousiana, North Carolina, Texas and many others.  Why?  Because even right now WITHOUT the requirement that some people will HAVE TO carry Medicaid (subsidized by YOUR tax dollars), the majority of physicians even right now cannot afford to treat them and where I live in Florida, you are hard pressed to locate DECENT doctors if you are on Medicaid, so certainly expanding it is a LOSER idea and just goes to show you that the Obama gang has no clue as to the REALITY of the situation.  I predict by the time the hammer comes down on Jan 1, 2014, the majority of states will refuse the Medicaid expansion and the Supreme Court has already stated in their opinion that there is not a darn thing the feds can do about that issue. Of course, we know they could, however, be harassed in other distasteful ways.  But people, let me tell you that I have worked in the healthcare industry for over 11 years helping people with issue like health insurance and once the public realizes they will be talking to a faceless, nameless, federal employee not even in the state they live in and they get one taste of this health care law, they will rise up and start screaming blood murder.  With insurance agents leaving the health care industry in droves and converting their skills to other industries, those people who actually believe they can just stroll in and talk to someone about health insurance is living in a dreamland.  Having been in an industry that the government took over back in the 90′s, I can simply state, “get ready for the blood bath”.  You will have people BEGGING to get their own health insurance agent back, they will be BEGGING politicians to kill off national “health care” . Soon in the press we will witness “the parade of death” as perfectly healthy people that could live another 20 years start DYING because they have been politically massaged into accepting MINIMAL CARE.  The politicians won’t be happy until they have chalked up a few thousand PRE-MATURE DEATHS because the poor saps couldn’t get PROPER MEDICALLY NECESSARY HEALTH CARE,  Once we all witness this Apocalypse.  I wonder how many people will be maimed, crippled, or disabled because of sadly minimal care?  I wonder how many dead bodies they need before these foolish politicians utter a great big, “OOPS, WTF?”

Make a healthcare plan that is only for disaster coverage (Hospital stay, etc).  If everyone has this it will be relatively cheap.

You pay for your own doctors visits.  I’m sure if you shop around you’ll find someone who is in your budget.  Allow people to deduct pre-tax money to pay for doctor’s visits.

 I haven’t had health care for many years.  I see a doctor regualrly and pay cash.  I get a discount for services because I pay cash.  I choose my own doctors, I pay for my tests done by them.  I make between 30 and 40 thousand a year.  I am classified as temporary worker even though I have worked for same place for 10 years, 40 hours a week.  It would cost me more for health insurance then it does to pay out of pocket.  I am close to retirement now, and from what I understand I won’t have adequate healthcare coverage through medi-care as it was cut drastically with the new health care bill.  I choose not to have insurance and that is my right. 

Ummm. YES!

We are doing a video segment with a doctor later this month. He is speaking on some of the specific issues about Obamacare. I’ve heard him speak before and he says it turns our medical care into the equivalent of veterinary care. It will be posted by the end of July (not doing the video until the latter part of July) at http://www.backtobasics-usa.com. 

Okay . In a nut shell.  Healthcare increases costs because insurance company dictates what that service is worth.  Are you aware that when a mechanic works on your car he charges labor according to a book that says how long it will take to fix car.  Hmmm.  I have a heart, lungs, cells,blood.  I don’t run on gas and oil.  Why are insurance companies comparing me to a car.  Insurance companies are making an amazing amount of money.  If you pay for health insurance and never use it, do they give you a refund?  NO.  Yet they who are not doctors (insurance companies) can tell a doctor how long a procedure should take, how much it will cost, and decide if you need said procedure/treatment.   That is just wrong.  I say get rid of the insurance companies and costs for medical services will start coming down.  Get rid of all the malpractice lawsuit lawyers and doctors and nurses won’t have to pay huge amounts of malpractice insurance.  I am so sick of insurance companies.  They are all money grubbers.

i was scrolling down reading the opinions and thinking that, “Oh Lord Jesus, please come quickly and deliver your people from the evil encircling us..”…in so many words..
and lo and behold there was your offering stating just that. thank you.

Glen Beck has told us not to worry about the poor or the children getting medical coverage. The hospitals will take care of them like they do now. Which means, we must have enough doctors now, to take care of them, with or without insurance. 
For some reason this should mean we are happy that people are free to not buy insurance coverage because the rest of us pay for their not being covered. 
This should frustrate small business and the “Job Givers” who must pay far higher premiums for their insurance. 
It sure frustrates me that the Republican party would promote irresponsibility and expect me to pay for it.

You approach this just like all the other liberals do: “the government will fix it…the government will fix it…the government will fix it…”  NO IT WONT!  When in American (or world) history has a government EVER fixed something with a fix that is long-lasting, cheaper, and doesn’t end up making things worse in the end?  NEVER!  Look at the Roman Empire, look at the Greek Empire, look at USSR, look at France, look at every other major government out there.  It doesn’t work!  It never does!  When you have a small handful of people trying to control a huge nation, nothing but corruption, waste, and deception result.  Time and time again, history tells us this.  Our government and our nation is headed down the same road and many before, and Obamacare is just another nail in the coffin.  

Using the government to help provide aid to the poor or the children needing coverage should always be a LAST RESORT!  We have SO MANY other non-government options available to us that no one has considered.  Let us not so quickly and willingly give up our freedoms to the government – because the government WILL take it if we give it to them.  We need to find better ways and get the feds out of our lives.

There are many issues, but one way or the other, illegals are not paying now and will not pay under this law.  The government is “forcing” the insurance carriers to pay for more and more services which is raising premiums (which we all knew would happen).  So business is paying higher premiums right now and they continue to escalate due to all this regulation.  This is not the way to make health care affordable.  But that is never what this bill was about, its about control and the loss of our freedom.  So saying conservatives are promoting irresponsibility is an absolute joke.  I deal with insurance every day as a broker trying to help people get more affordable coverage so I know what I am talking about.

How do you know what insurance carriers make or don’t make and what their margin is?  

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/health-insurer-profit-rises-as-obama-s-health-law-supplies-revenue-boost.html

Landofaahs, I thank you for you response, but no it didn’t satisfy me as an answer.

The cost of Healthcare is crazy its getting more and more expensive.  So we’ll all be living in trailers.

So we suppose to be satisfied with what we have, that doesn’t seem a very optimistic or in line with a capitalist ethos.

“ I don’t recall people not getting treated because they could not pay.” yeah, for now but someones paying for it.

I’ll tell you a story, a good friend of mine, who has worked hard all of his life, he got married, bought a house and started a family, he live well within his means.  Then came the house collapse.  his house lost 3/4 of its value, his neighbors one by one started losing their homes, then the neighborhood changed, crime and drugs, so he to was forced to have to walk away from his home, something that as he said “It feels so wrong, to not pay my bills and walk away”.  Now because of the foreclosure and bankruptcy he had ruined his stellar credit.  He moved to a better neighborhood and rented an apartment.  A year later he lost his job, he wrote dozens upon dozens of resumes, interviewed but nothing.  He tried to support his family on the money his wife bought in, while he looked after their child.  He tried to pay the premium to keep the Health insurance that he had, but had to give that up, he bought insurance for just his child, which he could barely afford.  If that wasn’t enough, then just last year, his son was diagnosed with a heart issue, which isn’t covered under their insurance, now they have moved again to a studio and are struggling to make ends meet and to pay for his kid health cost because if he doesn’t his kid will die.  So yes if you don’t have money you don’t get treatment.  This is wrong, wrong, wrong wrong, wrong.

Healthcare needs to be made affordable to everyone in America.  I’ve yet to hear how anyone is going to do that.  Healthcare should never be run as corporate for profit institution that we have in America.

My Frend who studied hard, payed his way through college, worked hard at his job, lived modestly to save a down payment.  He did everything right never asked for a hand from anyone and paid his taxes.

Where is the safety net for hard working americans and innocent children….

Thanks tha Doc, this does seem to be a feasible alternative, or though I do feel that a doctors office visit would need to be drastically reduced to make it available for all.

Thanks Susan,  It is your right, say you got sick though and you couldn’t afford the treatment, I don’t think its right that someone like yourself who has worked hard, should lose everything to pay the over inflated costs of treatment.

I believe Healthcare should be free to the young (0-18) and the elderly.  

I am not for Obamacare. My politics are basically libertarian, with some tea party points I agree with and some I don’t. I have lost faith in the GOP. I don’t want Obamacare at all, and will vote for any who will dismantle it. But as far as accuracy in reporting goes, I have a problem with this particular 83% figure, as it was culled from only 4% of doctors who responded to a rather biased questionnaire.  There are too few respondents to qualify this study as accurate, not to mention that the group responsible are obviously biased (you don’t like surveys from Soros owned groups skewed to the left, right?) I believe there are quite a few negatives with “Obamacare” on it’s own merits, but presenting misleading, and obviously biased information to make a case is not serving anybody’s interest. This is no better than the graphic MSNBC posted recently that appeared to show the vast majority of whites were on food stamps vs. minorities. It is not a complete picture, serving only as liberal misdirection. Obviously whites are the majority, so it stands to reason more would be on food stamps as a total number, vs. what percentage in each race are on food stamps, which of course in the left’s eye is considered “racist” and unacceptable to examine. That said, 8 out of 10 doctors are not going to up and quit because of Obamacare. Find another argument, because this one is easy to shoot down. Here is the rebuttal story (although it is a competing blog site that generally is biased as well). http://bit.ly/PHhq0G 

Personally, I don’t pay attention to “statistics” anymore because they are too easy to manipulate in support of your particular assertion. 

I will not comply.

Your comment is pretty foolish, insurance companies actually barter back and forth with doctors and hospitals, and they are in it for profit.

However, the government dictates a dollar amount, far less than insurance companies pay, and as of Jan. 1 2013 (as part of Obamacare) is cutting medicare reimbursement by 33%, that means that those who depend on government for healthcare are being sold short.

The only possible results from Obamacare is increased costs on those who DONT use their insurance (the young and healthy) and rationing care when the cost burden is too high.

There is absolutely nothing in the Healthcare bill that restricts the amount Insurance companies can charge.

First of all, making healthcare is affordable is not the govt.’s business. You are looking for govt. to solve problems when they only create more.
I will admit that I did not read you hard luck story piece cause I can always give you more of them. Let me ask you this though. If your friend was so responsible, could you imagine what would have happened over the years if they would not have social security, high taxes and all the other fees and sales taxes extracted from their pay, and had saved all that money? Can you imagine if our govt. would have lived within it’s means and not piled all of this debt up? There is no guaranty in life because of what happened in the Garden of Eden. Now when you start telling me all the sad stories you have heard etc., think about if you had been born in Calcutta India for example. Do you think that the pioneer ancestors of ours had a safety net? They had God and that was sufficient for them as it should be for us. They did at least have freedom from a tyrannical govt, something which we do not.

So guess what – now that the Government is involved – healthcare costs are going to skyrocket even further.

Never!  Mark of the Devil

NO HUMAN BEING WOULD ENDURE and SURVIVE, but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be CUT SHORT. http://MayorMoney.blogspot.com

I will also add this. If govt. didn’t spend us into debt and print money like toilet paper, healthcare would not be rising as it is because of sound money policy. There can of course be increases in healthcare prices because of the demographics of having the baby boomers aging, and requiring more care, causing a temporary increased demand. If we had not killed 40 million babies in the womb, we would have more people to support the system unless they too nwould be on the dole. If all that is not enough, quit using healthcare and eventually the doctors will take chickens for payment. Sorry I sound cruel but you are a hack being paid for by OWS. You are a democrat plant and frankly you can tell your Sally Muckinfutch stories to idiots who will buy it. My story is worse than anything you can make up because our dear president is trying to steal my money and freedom from me using people like you.

I sort of figured that response to my story.  Yes life is a gamble, you work hard and enjoy life.  I get it.  I do indeed feel fortunate that I was born in a first world country and that I’m health and have a job.  I do think the young and the elderly should be looked after by this country.  You have the young who can’t provide for themselves and the elderly who have worked their entire life supporting and building this country.

I know there a people less fortunate than me.  Sadly I do look to the government at this time, because I don’t believe that corporation in this case insurance companies, will to the right thing, they looking to make money and to make money they cut costs, and cost cutting generally ends ups with us paying more.

So while I understand your we are all responsibly for ourselves argument, I just don’t believe its as black and white, as that.

Interesting to that life expectancy in the US is ranked #50

Australia #9
Canada #11
UK #30

Also Massachusetts has the 5 highest life expectancy in the US

Wow… Now the gloves come off.

First off, as I have said many times on this site that I have posted.  I’m not a democrat.  I didn’t vote for Obama.  I’m asking an honest question and posting honest replies, my story is my connection to this debate, I can’t change that.  I’m sure other people have had it way way way worse.

Its interesting that you bring up abortion, I take it you are anti-choice or pro-life.  I’m not going to get into that debate, but its interesting you want to protect them.  You just don’t want to help them once they are born.

Yes the government is out of control with its spending, I still don’t understand that we are taught to save save save while the government borrows, borrows borrows.

Not sure what the OWS is.

It astonishes me that there still isn’t open and honest debate in the media. on both sides, they all preach to the choir.  President Lincoln surrounded himself with people that had greatly opposing views and even people he did like.  Look what he got done.

I have had enough of the conspiracy theory nonsense that is going on in this country.  We need real honest discussion from both sides and We the People must hold these electable fools accountable.

Talk, listen, learn and of course disagree but be civil……

OWS is Old Woman Syndrome.  Just kidding.  Look, I can deal with the things in life that come as a matter of course, just give me my liberty and get the govt out of my life.  Anytime you look for govt to solve any problem, you get only more problems and less freedom.  Don’t worry though the obama death panels will relieve you of all your worries soon enough.
About not wanting babies killed, you are correct.  But that does not mean they are my responsibility.  Take care of your own kids and don’t tell others how to raise theirs.  You really don’t understand responsibility if you don’t get that.  And I will retort that anybody who stands up for the right to abortion has no moral ground to ever say they care about people.  Abortion is the most selfish act I can think of.

There are a lot of things that could be done to fix this issue, but this bill is no addressing any of them.  To blame all of this on the insurance companies is ridiculous.  You must be someone who wants everything for free.   

 Have you ever looked at your insurance statement.  It shows what Dr charges, and what insurance will pay and your amount to pay.  Add the insurance payment and your payment together.  It does not equal what Dr. charges.  How do I know these things,  I am in the medical profession.

 How do you know? Have you read the entire bill? There’s so much in there that no one knows about except the people who wrote it. I think a lot of people who are for it  are going to get quite a few surprises.

The premise of health insurance is flawed.  We buy insurance for our car, home, boats, and life policies  hoping never to use it.  That is not the case with healthcare insurance. The moment we get dental or eye glass coverage, etc. everybody runs out to use the insurance.  This over use is why health care costs keep rising.  So many also do not pay their way.  The amount we all pay for Medicare in the future, will for many not come close to what is spent.  How about the case of Scott Crawford a man in his 40s on Medicare.  They spent 2.7m to keep him alive until they could no longer.  The system financially cannot do this for anybody no matter how much we want to. 

If a company employs 100 people and because working conditions are so good there is little turnover, at some point that 100 people will be older.  The policies will get used more often due to that age advancement.  Because of that the premiums rise. To combat rising premiums, a larger out of pocket share must be shouldered by the employee.  BTW, in the US out of pocket is about 9 percent average.  The Swiss pay about 30 percent. 

We currently have a serious obese issue that certainly is preventable, and yet because of government mandated laws we are accommodating obesity and thus encouraging it.  We build bigger to satisfy the illness instead of requiring it to change.  Look at your grocery stores and how many now ride around in a motorized cart.  Pretty soon there will be no room for those of us walking . So aisles will be built to accommodate the carts. 

I live on a bike path that stretches for over 100 miles.  Few use it.  It cost a fortune to maintain.

Hospitals are full of folks that smoke, drank and ate and never did a lick of exercise as an adult to take care of their bodies.  All of this is preventable.  Never mind blaming the insurance companies, we did most of this damage to ourselves and still refuse to take ownership of those poor decisions.

 A very unfortunate story of your friend, indeed. But if he is nearly indigent as you’ve described, his family’s low income should qualify to be covered under Medicaid health insurance.  I hope some sort of foolish “pride” isn’t keeping him from applying for Medicaid and getting that poor baby the treatment he needs, and would be covered. 

Thank you Susan for those kind thoughts.  Your right some of it is indeed covered, we as his friends have helped him with some of the expensive drugs and covering some living cost so him and his wife can be with him and help him.

It truly has made me rethink government involvement in healthcare, and I stand firm that who ever runs it, private or public that all children should receive, 100%  free, un-capped heath coverage.

GLENN,        I ENJOYED THIS  AND AGREE WITH THE DOCTORS, IT HAS GOT TO GET
                       OUT OF HAND WHEN WE START  “OBAMACARE !”……
                     BY THE WAY, LOVE YOUR SHIRT———COME & TAKE IT FROM GONZALES,
                        TEXAS WHERE I AM FROM. I SAW YOU IN SAN ANTONIO,TEXAS ALSO.
                      I REALLY MISS YOU ON TV DAILY. HAVE NOT LISTENED TO RADIO.
                                                               SYLVIA MERCER

 ”cutting medicare reimbursement by 33%, that means that those who depend on government for healthcare are being sold short” …it also means we will see more Doctors retiring from the practice of medicine. We will be lucky to even have a Doctor.

IT IS NOT OBAMACARE IT IS OBAMAdoesn’tCARE!!CALL IT LIKE IT IS! OBAMA-DOESN’T-CARE…..ABOUT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF!!! and why wont anyone call him by his middle name,HUSSEIN!! Mr Islamist-Terrorist-in-Chief!! It’s Slavery! All Will Be His Slaves! His Gestapo or His Slaves!!

He cuts medicare to get rid of our senior citizens the greatest generation the last generation with common sense, the Real Intelligence!!
We Will Be Not The United States But The Union States of Socialist Republic!
Hussein-Obama idolizes Mao and he killed more people then Hitler!

yep. want to see our future under hussein-obama second term…look what Scar did to the PrideLands when he had control with his hyeinas the black panthers…

hussein-obama doesn’t care who has healthcare we had the best healthcare anyone can get treated in the emergency room.canada president,iran president comes here for their surgerys!but no more hussein-obama is destroying USofA
for his DreamsFromMyFather!!to become Dictator-Of-The-World!!

“Healthcare should never be run as corporate for profit institution that we have in America.”

It’s because of this very reason that we have the best most innovative health care in the world. You like most liberals do not want to acknowledge reality. People are NOT altruistic, sure there is a few, but most are not 100% altruistic. Most work for incentive, usually monetary. Many work for both reasons, so we are not all horrible. In fact, it may be more altruistic than not, considering many use that money for the comfort of their family. Either you are a poor study of human nature, or it angers you that humanity is not as perfect as you think it should be.

And as for your friend, all those resumes and no attempt to make some extra cash working at the local grocery store to support his family? I thought you said “he did everything”?  Sounds kind of selfish and arrogant to me. Just to good for a good honest job. I gave you some solutions to our health care issues, but you still insist that someone else should take care of it for you. I do agree that the system needs a small but temporary crutch to put things back in place financially, but I will not hand over my freedom to the government. The more bureaucracy that exists, even if created with good intentions, is left open for future corruption. That’s also part of human nature. I’m sure you won’t respond to logic, but I can’t help trying.

Check out http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com. There is a lot more to why we rank the way we do, and it’s not our health care. Other countries that rank above us in life expectancy have horrible life expectancy comparisons when referring to disease. Of course quality of life should be considered also. I’m a big believer in diet making a big difference, considering many of the higher ranking countries eat healthier just because of the foods that are accessible in that region. With your basic ranking we are talking a few years difference and overall population should also be considered. This is not a logical reason to have our health care hijacked by the federal government. Obama care is definitely not the answer if you care about seniors. Socialists believe in thinning the heard, weeding out the less useful in society. Those who do not contribute might as well not exist. Obama care is population control under the guise of helping the poor.

Do you realize your contradiction with “captalist ethos” and later “Healthcare should never be run as corporate for profit institution that we have in America”.  You sound like vacman.

Maybe you could move to Australia, Canada or the UK.  There.  You have your own solution.

You want free to you healthcare at someone elses expense. You need to prioritize and adjust your spending.

obama is going to kill the elderly with death panels. Obama will get top of the line care for life because he’s an elitist, but non-politically connected people will be left to die under the govt. system justlike in UK,Australia, and Canada.  There is a reason people from Canada come here for treatment.

So you prefer to continue to pay for other people health care through having the hospitals and insurance companies charge you more so others don’t have to pay at all. Also don’t forget to throw in 30% extra for profit and overhead at the insurance company. Of source they do deserve it because they make the right decisions about who get care and what kind they get, based on cost decided by their accountants.
I don’t like the government doing this but health care cost has risen in double digits for decades by insurance companies. Maybe its time for a change. By the way if you live in France you live longer (the true measure of good health care)

So you prefer to continue
to pay for other people health care through having the hospitals and insurance
companies charge you more so others don’t have to pay at all. Also don’t forget
to throw in 30% extra for profit and overhead at the insurance company. Of
source they do deserve it because they make the right decisions about who get
care and what kind they get, based on cost decided by their accountants. 

I don’t like the government doing this but
health care cost has risen in double digits for decades by insurance companies.
Maybe its time for a change. By the way if you live in France you live longer
(the true measure of good health care)

You Doctors will not leave your jobs! You are just whining because you will now have to take care of everybody – not just the rich. Where are you gonna go anyway? You’ll be lucky to earn ten bucks a hour outside of your profession. I say go ahead and quit and get a taste of the real world: not making enough money to support your family, not being able to pay your bills, not being able to afford a vacation for your family, forclosing on your house, going in debt.. Yeah, go ahead and quit! I’ll go to school; and learn to be a doctor – beats the $10.00 an hour every tom, dick and harry republican small business is willing to pay you!!! Yeah quit and get a job with your republican friends - the ones that pay you so well - without yor practice and ability to preserve their precious rich lives you’ll no longer be of value to them and you’ll soon be turning Democrat – and most greatful you yourself are now receivng Obamacare!!! Good luck!! Please quit – I could use a rewarding job!

It is hardly possible for a dr to spend less time with me than they do now – I would say approximately 5 minutes at best.

Medicare is government health care and I haven’t felt rationed – in fact, I have the same dr. I had when I paid $600 per month for my health insurance. Why will the ACA change this?  (BTW, the cuts from Medicare were from the Medicare Advantage plans, which were overfunded. It will not be missed. Better those funds should go to covering the donut hole…

I thought the American Medical Assoc was in support of Obamacare?  What is the status on that?  This info is shocking….

The solution is quite simple but requires broad reform.  If each state balanced it’s own budget individually then each state could have its own broad based affordable care act.  Look at what Indiana, and now several other states are doing with health savings accounts.  They are giving a financial incentive not to be a hypochondriac.  Obamacare attempts to make us forget that this is a state by state, and at a deeper level, person by person struggle.  If Obama, and Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Van Jones, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Joe Biden, IF all of these people had medical degrees, and actually knew anything about health care, then I wouldn’t be so afraid of Obamacare.  But the Leftist ilk who support this law seem to think human bodies run like cars, and THAT my friend, is something to be afraid of.

You are right on the money!  Couldn’t have said it better.  80% of all healthcare in this country is preventable.  People are too fat, too lazy, and too uninvolved in their own healthcare.  Our food has no nutritional value anymore, everyone eats fast food, people use emergency rooms for common colds instead of learning simple methods to take care of themselves at home, etc, etc.  What do we want insurance companies to do?  Our costs are obviously going to go up when more people pull from the money pool.  What we need is more people taking personal accountability of their health, we need better education of all the different types of health insurance instead of people just buying whatever they see on t.v., we need more entrepreneurs out there to think outside the box when it comes to providing health insurance, we need to focus on preventive medicine instead of treatment medicine.

If there was a restriction on the amount of money an insurance company could charge you for a premium, it would have been voted down in the Supreme Court 9 to 0.  Section 2701 of the bill is entitled “Fair Health Insurance Premiums” and it clearly lays out the stipulations for discriminatory charges for individuals, based on tobacco use, age, overall general health, etc.  No part of it puts a cap or ceiling on what an insurance company can charge individuals.  In fact every part of this law will lead to insurance rates rising indefinitely until the act under-funds itself and vanishes.  Remember the Left will never put a number on a Fair Share of any kind.

A little angry?

Is that any way to talk to the people who continue to save our lives?  Doctors should be paid more than athletes and entertainers, because quite frankly, they are the biggest heroes in the entire world.

May I comment as an Australian?  Here we have private health insurance which is available to people who can afford to pay the premiums.  This covers most of their medical costs apart from a gap which they pay.  Then there is Medicare which is available to people who can’t afford private health insurance.  This is paid for by a Medicare levy by people who are earning a wage.  This also pays the medical bill apart from a gap.  Then there are people like my husband and I who are aged pensioners.  ALL our medical requirements are FREE, for example my husband’s prostate cancer operation.  It didn’t cost us a cent. 
Surely,in a civilized society, no one should be denied the medical treatment they require, just because they can’t afford it.  To allow people to die because they can’t afford the operation they need is morally criminal. The USA is ranked very low amongst OECD countries for health care.
Obama care should be just the first step towards an eqitable health care system.

Im not totally against either way, if they can lower my insurance, and give me straight up facts, tests and results, that is what would make me happy.  I dont care about Doctor Patient relations, I want to get in to the Doctors office, get healed, or at least medicine to heal, and GET OUT, taking 2 hrs in a waiting room while the doctor has a “relation” with the patient is what makes me mad, the hospitals and such charge you for the length of time you are in their place, ER or other, get me in, get me out.  I have a life that needs to be taken care of and cant sit around for so long.

Is anyone else as concerned about the free sterilization for ALL females (once they can reproduce), as I am? I am 40 & remember that when I was 21 & I’d had my 2 children & felt ready for such a decision the doctor still made me jump through hoops as was the standard across the board then. This was because you may end up regretting such a decision & unfortunately at that point the damage is done. It was mandatory however that we have at least one child & be married. 
So now to realize girls of 11 or 12 will be able to get sterilized on demand (0 copay as with the abortions on this plan).>And it just seems downright criminal to me. These UN programs already have children feeling guilty for being alive & ‘destroying the earths resources’.. Same group that feels the current population must be cut by 93% (to under 500,000) & funds government mandated compulsory abortion, infanticide & sterilization all over the globe. One need not go far to realize their goal is to indoctrinate young girls to make that decision “for humanity & the planet” by doing ‘the right thing & getting the procedure’. I feel strongly that this will become an epidemic problem right off the bat & at that point it will be too late.

Conservatives aren’t just the rich. They are the ones that have a work ethic however. They don’t expect a dictatorial Government to be their guiding God force in life. They’re individuals that get a goal & get to work reaching it. “Self Sustaining” individuals. You’re obviously drinking the kool aid that makes one believe this means equal healthcare for all & that’s where you’d be wrong.  The sad truth is that going to the doctor will be very low on care & moral but high on headaches just like the DMV. Quality care isn’t available in such a system. Just look at all the people with such plans from Canada happy to pay cash to fly into the US so they could get care & not be left to die. Just as in Europe when someone has a life & death emergency there will be lines of parked ambulances on the side of the hospitals in which patients are stuck for 12 hours awaiting a free bed. Most will not make it out alive. There will also be death panels so that folks who are of no befit to the PTB will just be put down. Like a farm animal. Lastly there are many who are insured now that will lose coverage under this plan as the employers cannot afford to cover them now. Plenty of experts say we will have LESS people covered in America when it goes into effect than we have now. At least now if you had a heart attack & are rushed in to the ER, a US hospital would do everything necessary to save your life using the best equipment & staff regardless of your ability to pay or medical coverage. Anyone that thinks its some great idea hasn’t simply taken an hour to look at the facts. It will be worse for everyone. Don’t blame the doctors that they’ve essentially been neutered so as to no longer be able to give a patient the kind of care that makes them feel they’re making a difference. Take away the joy & passion for the job & the living it provided you; while adding lines like the DMV & patients you have no time for & you should be able to understand why they would leave.

Well, don’t hate me for saying this but having someone like Obama rise to power and be able to get away with what hi is doing is a direct result from decades of corruption that all doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies are guilty of due to GREED and passing the bucks. Hopefully the Obamacare scare is what will wake everyone up and send a message that we can fix this on our own as a free society otherwise we’ll eally be screwed.

GB is an idiot.  Anybody that listens to him is one too!  Especially the people who choose not to buy insurance that can afford to.  Doctors are not going to quit becuse of OC. OC=RC “Obamney Care”.

GB is an idiot.  Anybody that listens to him is one too!  Especially the people who choose not to buy insurance that can afford to.  Doctors are not going to quit becuse of OC. OC=RC “Obamney Care”.

It’s an election year – - – If there was dirt in the bill the Republicans
would be all over it like sharks after blood.

Don’t worry about reading it Romney’s run for the rich will read it for
us.

It’s an election year – - – If there was dirt in the bill the Republicans
would be all over it like sharks after blood.

Don’t worry about reading it Romney’s run for the rich will read it for
us.

Obamacare is all about population control and depopulation.  The first targets will be the elderly and the very young and any non-productive person.  If you can’t pay into the system, you are a drain and therefore expendable. Survival of the fittest.

 And you think govt will fix that?  Your faith is admirable, but questionable.

Angry?  Childish ignorant misdirected jealousy.  But this is the mindset that wants equality for all and yes even doctors.  Well if doctors had to be equal to his abilities, would there actually be any doctors?

Not true.  The MLR  (Medical Loss Ratio) requires insurance companies to spend 85% of premium intake to patient care and treatment payments – further it FREEZES the premium levels for five years starting 1/1/2014.  Name a company that you would like to work for – that no matter your work load, production, or profitability – you don’t get a raise for FIVE years.   This kills private insurance – and the smart ones are already making moves to drop lines of coverage – meaning – you either pay for the bill in full yourself – or hope that your doctor still ‘accepts’ the CMS reimbursement levels….. many are deciding they wont.   Go read the bill – the legislators that signed it, certainly never did.

I have read the bill, in its’ entirety – several times; just completed my Masters in Health Care Management and Finance.  It is a bad bill.  I am glad that the Supreme Court finally outed it as a tax – because it was written as a taxation and enforcement bill – since its’ inception.  Beyond the supply vs demand of shrinking doctor pools, increased patient population granted access to care (the rising tide of babyboomers to medicare, the 35 MILLION now eligible for Medicaid (because that is all this bill is – the expansion of the already broke system) and the 35-50 MILLION ‘illegals’ that are now eligible for care…. the bill specifically denies ‘undocumented’ illegal aliens – what better way is there to document them than to enroll them into federal health care benefits and databases?….. look at California – already happening.   It is unsustainable.   The stealth part of this bill is that the Exchanges are founded on the same Derivative Factorial reinvestment risk matrix that drove the housing market to crash.   And the result will be the same.  You want quality care with no bureaucratic limits ? – soon your only options will be black market as it was with alcohol during Prohibition – or travel to another country.

ha…how ridiculous you sound…you..the dems are the crybabies!!!i only WISH the repubs would speak up more…AND LIST PUBLICLY ALL THE LIES THAT OBAMA HAS TOLD……

Obamacare REQUIRES insurance companies to pay out on healthcare 85% of what they take in from premiums. That leaves 15% for overhead and NO profit. Before Obamacare, they paid out 70% for healthcare, and had money left over to build reserves for tough years with more claims AND make a profit. The upshot is that insurance companies will go out of business within 5 years. The government will declare that the private sector has failed and will step in with Single Payor, which will be Medicaid for all. Medicaid is a substandard insurance with rationing and wait periods, that pays less than the cost of providing care. Doctors and hospitals that accept Medicaid make up for the losses by charging everyone else MORE. Only now there will be NO MORE. Get it?

Susan:  I believe it’s the federal government who is going to be dictating to the physicians and surgeons how much will be charged, what services will be provided, and penalizing them if they don’t conform…possibly to the point of imprisonment.  It’s also going to leave those of us who must rely on Medicaid later in our lives (when we need it the most) in the gutters to waste away.  I don’t like insurance companies either….they are all about the bottom line.  This bill will take away the doctor/patient relationship and take away the decision making from the patient.

Total SOCIALISM, and our House and Senate members sit there like bumps on a log, doing nothing, and saying nothing … and the liberals don’t have the first clue as to what is going to happen … YET.

IF the government GOT OUT of Medical Care. we wouldn’t be having these kinds of COSTS, and upcoming PROBLEMS. Always the government trying to CONTROL us and tell us what to do, what to wear, what to eat, what THEY feel is best for us!!! Doesn’t anyone else WANT the government OUT of our lives????????

I hate the republican run and owned insurance companies and pharmas.   They don’t care one whit about us, just their huge bonuses (in the multi-millions) and their bottom line.  This is why we need universal care…..to reign those monsters in. 

Susan,
Keep in mind, Insurance carriers just pay the bills. Although do have some fault in controlling care, they actually are able to save you $$ by negotiating contracts with Dr’s and Hospitals. What we need to look at is why is Healthcare So Expensive!? Why do certain drugs cost hundreds of dollars, why do MRI’s, Lab work, and Xrays cost so much? Why does one day in a hospital cost thousands of dollars? We need to look at the root of the problem, which is uncontrlled healthcare costs! I think blaming the insurance companies is ‘smoke and mirrors’ to make them the bad guys, I think our hospitals and cost of care needs to be looked at first! (Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re going to like what we find out, so we blame another reason, other than the underlying one… COST of Care!)

Susan,
Keep in mind, Insurance carriers just pay the bills. Although do have some fault in controlling care, they actually are able to save you $$ by negotiating contracts with Dr’s and Hospitals. What we need to look at is why is Healthcare So Expensive!? Why do certain drugs cost hundreds of dollars, why do MRI’s, Lab work, and Xrays cost so much? Why does one day in a hospital cost thousands of dollars? We need to look at the root of the problem, which is uncontrlled healthcare costs! I think blaming the insurance companies is ‘smoke and mirrors’ to make them the bad guys, I think our hospitals and cost of care needs to be looked at first! (Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re going to like what we find out, so we blame another reason, other than the underlying one… COST of Care!)

 Well I for one am not rich, never have been and with many medical issues along with a total of 7 surgeries.  And I have never been rejected care or medications.  So I don’t know how people think that others are rejected for medical care.  I just had surgery and my ovaries removed and was not even employed due to an on job injury.  (Still going through that BS red tape)

But my point is, it just gets me every time I hear someone speaks negatively about the people in which make more money then them.   Here is my question, “who’s fault is that?”   Not the doctors, not the lawyers, not the courts… But YOURS!

And not only yours, but mine, and the next door woman or man that is in the same boat in which the majority of people are.  So how is it that anyone can point a finger at the professionals when its not their problem or issue in which you choose a path in life.

You want it, you work for it, you want more, you work hard for it, you want to play hard, well work harder!

Quit blaming the others for your lack of education…

Well, that gives the insurance companies a year to figure their statistics and make sure you are paying enough to make up for any loss they might suffer after 2014. we will be paying, oh yes, we will be paying out the nose

As a second year medical student this is
terrifying. I had considered not going to medical school because of Obamacare.
Now I am stuck because of the $50,000 that will come due if quit school. I had
been holding onto the hope of cash practice if the shit hit the fan, but this
discussion nixed that idea. Medical school is extremely hard and not worth the
effort if I am going to end up a slave to the government :-/