Glenn weighs in on the Penn State controversy

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The NCAA announced the punishment it will implement at Penn State University this morning. All Penn State victories between 1998 and 2011 will be voided. In addition, the University must pay a $60 million sanction, face a four-year ban from Bowl games, and a loss of scholarships. The NCAA decision comes on the heels of Penn State removing the Joe Paterno statue from its campus this past weekend.

While there is no denying that the actions (or inactions) of senior university officials was negligent and irresponsible at best, the NCAA’s penalties do more of a disservice to the students and alumni than to those in power.

On radio this morning, Glenn spoke about the decision of Penn State to remove the Paterno statue, and the NCAA penalties.

“I’m uncomfortable convicting a man who can’t even defend himself,” Glenn said in regards to the since deceased Paterno. “But he is dead, and I’m totally fine with them taking away the statue at Penn State.”

“What [Jerry] Sandusky did was destroy the name of Penn State for all time,” he continued. “So it’s absolutely over. Now, with that being said, here is the tragedy. Here is – this is so 2012 America. This is so two plus two equals five. Because of what Sandusky did, they’re not only taking away the statue of Paterno, which again I’m fine with, they’re now saying that they’re going to take away all of the wins from Penn State.”

While the deletion of wins from 1998 to 2011 will knock Paterno from the winningest coach in College Football history to twelfth on the all-time list, the NCAA is really taking the victories away from the students.

“This is so unbelievably wrong because you’re not taking them away from Paterno. You’re taking them away from everybody who played,” Glenn said. “And how un-American is this? You’re taking away merit. You’re taking away something that they actually earned.”

Glenn explained that he would understand the NCAA’s actions if the scandal revolved around cheating of some kind (i.e. performance enhancing drugs), but to strip the players of their hard earned victories because of their coach’s flawed character seems unfair.

“So they’re taking away the merit,” Glenn said.

Take away the scholarships, fine the University, take down the statue – but in taking away past achievements, the NCAA has stripped those players of the accomplishments that they rightfully earned.

“It’s wrong. It’s un‑American,” Glenn concluded. “Paterno’s not the only one that had those wins. All of the members on the team. And I’m sorry.  The coach doesn’t win the game. The team did. And they weren’t in the shower. They were on the field. They had nothing to do with it.”

“The truth is they won the games. Period. Leave the truth alone. No matter how many times you and your politically correct and your progressive ideas try to change words, change meanings, change images or change the score of the game, we all know. We all know. Don’t dishonor yourself even more. Stand for the truth.”

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    This is blatantly wrong in that the players of the team are being punished as well; the NCAA has in effect condemed them all, a collective sentence of guilt imposed upon them due to just being a member of the team, for crimes committed by another.

    So what happened in this great nation to where the crimes of one person were not held over the heads of all others around them? Are we still not a land in which each person is accountable to their own actions and deeds, good or bad?

    Or have we truly become so accustomed and badgered into doing what the administraiton wants, that we give up the right to be an individual, and surrender to the collective?

  • http://misfitpolitics.co/ Corran Horn

    . As a Pennsylvanian I would like to way in. it wrong what they are doing to the team. They are treating them like they’re the ones that covered it up and not the idiot Joe Paterno who was protecting his friend. The people who did this should be the ones being punished not the players who would of nock this these morons out if they knew what their where doing. They want to send a strong message but they can do it without dragging the players to hell with Sandusky and Paterno and all the cowards who covered this up.

  • w. Parker

    My opinion is that the punishment was too excessive.  Too many innocent people were adversely affected.  Why stop at voiding all wins since 1998 – hell, why not void all degrees received from all students since 1998, burn the football stadium down too?  I feel they’ve gone too far at creating an example at Penn State.  Personally, i’d rather now see a push for harsher punishment for adults who abuse children, than do harm to innocent college folks who had no hand whatsoever in this mess

  • WhySoAngryGovernmentDouchebags

    how long before Washington posts 100 comments here?

  • http://misfitpolitics.co/ Corran Horn

    OH GREAT ANOTHER SOCK!

  • Anonymous

    They have NO right taking away any wins from the team and I really resent this type of high smear,  handedness  and dishonest abuse by lowlifes who want to blame others that were not even involved . And anyone who ever knew Coach Paterno would know that he thought the world of his players and he would have resigned in protest if he had known anything about what was going on.
                 Coach Paterno could have made a great deal of money as a coach in the National Football League ,many teams wanted him ! But he stayed at Penn State cause he wanted to help the players become all that they could be and many were pushed to realize their full potential by this great man who was really interested in helping” his kids” as he called them and helping them better themselves.Thats the only Joe Paterno that ever coached and ever  lived !!!

  • Anonymous

    They used Paterno as a scapegoat. They’d been after him for years anyway because he was a republican. Whether he knew more than he said, which he did say that he was told about this and that he told the proper people within Penn State’s administration, who then did nothing about it… However, he’s dead, so let’s go after him, and in doing so, punish the innocent players and Penn State as an example to the collective, as has been said.

    Disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    This is so unfair to the players that worked so hard for all those years and to the fans that supported the team(s). Totally unfair!

  • Anonymous

    Every player has a coach, right?  Just because the coach messes up doesn’t mean the players did!  The players played, the players won, the wins belong to the players!  The NCAA has made an extremely unjust decision and must return the wins to the players!

  • vieteravet

    They only have hear-say against JoePa.  There such should be an investigation into the NCAA.  They are a monopoly and they shoul be broken up like AT&T.

  • Anonymous

    All of this blather and I still have not heard one soul jump on the one person who was most responsible for this fiasco. Where in the hell is the blame for the red-headed graduate assistant who actually saw Sandusky messing with a kid? Why didn’t Red-Head yank Sandusky off the boy and call the law himself? This is the man that is responsible because he was there. It’s all well and fine to blame a dead man, which is where the preponderance of the blame is being laid, because he cannot defend himself, but the Red-Head was an adult and the only eye witness. I think if I hear the sanctimonious president say one more word, I will vomit. And I wish someone would place the blame where it belongs because Red-Head could have come forth at any time and he did not.

  • Carrie O’Rourke

    Sometimes appropriate consequences effect innocent bystanders.  That is simply reality.  I was personally quite impressed with the NCAA sanctions.  I find them appropriate.  What was not done at the university in those years reflects completely on a value system that is vile.  Winning at all costs includes what we see in this case.  The costs were the violation and damage to countless young boys.  What the NCAA did was draw a line in the sand.  If we want to build good athletic programs, they must necessarily be ethical and not just about the wins.  Winning with character is the thing we should be aiming for.  We see a bit of what character was missing in the wins over those years.  And it should shame the students, the administration, and the donors… and Paterno’s family.  A strong penalty will sting for a while, but that sting will pass and if anyone took a lesson from it they can start a new history for the football program there and everyone can move on without this hanging over their heads forever. 

  • Anonymous

     I’m inclined to agree with you. The crazies are seeking a patsy, again, and Paterno is it because he is unable to defend himself. Red-Head was an adult and should have reported this himself, after he removed the kid from the locker room. After Paterno passed on  what the guy had said to him, he had done what he was supposed to do. After all, Paterno would merely have been reporting heresay since he had no personal knowledge of this attack on the child. I’m sick of hearing about this. What about some parental responsibility? Were no parents suspicious of a man that constantly sought the companionship of young boys? I would have been.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that they can not really change the scores, and it is not fair to the students.  What would be right is if everyone who didn’t step up to the plate and go to the police serve a jail term!!!!!!  This and the Catholic Church and any other organization that tries to TAKE CARE of their own problems and does not let law enforcement handle the problem like they should, should all be locked up!!!!!!!!

  • John Wells Jr

    I agree that taking away the wins from the athletes is unjust.  Let them spit on Paterno’s grave, hang Jerry Sandusky from the tallest tree in town, but to take away the hard earned victories of many student athletes because of gross moral failure of the administration reeks of excess.  if they wanted to punish the guilty they could have simply removed Paterno from the Hall of Fame, and allowed the record of Penn State’s fine athletes to stand on it’s own merit.   Instead, the NCAA gets to boast about how great they are cause they roughed up a dead old man and trashed a fine athletic record to prove how sympathetic they are.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLXV7JTQT3IMA4CD5AGR2GP5K4 Harold Mcwithey

    PENN STATE ( AS A  COLLAGE ) SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED AS THEY ARE…THE ONES, ( PERSONS) INVOLVED ,  YES, AND HVY SO, BUT,  ( THE COLLAGE AS A UNIT )  SHOULD NOT, THE MAGNIFICANT SPORTS RECORD THEY HAVE DEVELOPED  AS A UNIT ( COLLAGE ) HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRAZY ANTICS NOF A FEW.,    YOU BETTER THINK THIS ONE OVER FIRST,  DON’T YOU THINK,…???   ……………A WISE OLD OWL LIV ED IN AN OAK,…….THE MORE HE SAW THE LESS HE SPOKE,……..THE LESS HE SPOKE THE MORE HE HEARD,…….WHY CAN’T WE BE LIKE THE WISE OLD BIRD,…??????..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=756508915 Ron Arnold

    It’s a socialized punishment. I think of the NCAA as the college equivalent of the UN. The only power they have is the power we choose to comply with. I also find it interesting that they have the power to ‘vacate’ actual historical events. Perhaps they got hold of Ren and Stimpy’s history eraser button. 

  • http://twitter.com/EloiseBarraza Eloise Barraza

    he’s dead, so let’s go after him, and in doing so, punish the innocent players and Penn State as an example to the collective, as has been said. http://2HoursDailyTo6kMonthly.blogspot.com

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NRQYEOO3KENZCLWL5XPRFR6OQA solly

    somehow there is always an excuse of being too hard on the ones who knew about this and still should just be tapped on the back of the hand. let’s face, sports will always be first in how to have champions at all costs. what a shame that intelligent people will find words to try to say what is so untrue. just for the sake of winning, go ahead and do what you please no matter who hurt or scar for llfe.

  • Anonymous

    Paterno is a scapegoat. The Penn State thing goes a lot higher in my opinion.  I don’t see how punishing football players and students has any benefit. All of those involved in the coverup should be dealt with and that’s it.

  • Anonymous

     Paterno was an old man and may not have been 100% aware of what was going on around him. On the other hand the lefties in charge of Universities today have no problem with adults having sex with children. Before you whine do the research.

  • Anonymous

    Lets hope they do the same thing to the catholic church next.

  • Anonymous

    I feel that this is against leadwership.  Not one so called MAN stood up for the little boys being molested…instead they turned their head to it and ignored it.  This is punishment to poor leadship….where were the men ….they were all hiding and the punishment is not enough to me.  I hope this will make a big impression on men all acros this nation that when worng is being done stand up and say something to STOP it use every once of your being to stand up for morals and not be AFRAID of what it might cost for in the END it will cost more and there is no bringing back the innocence of the young boys that suffered from MEN that should have done the right thing to begin with. Too bad for all that will feel the consequence of what occurred but they should have thought about that instead of being cowards.

  • Anonymous

    This is the typical liberal response in the world of today’s academia — don’t punish the guilty, punish everyone because it isn’t fair to single somebody or single a group out. The. truth is there is (and was) a biting chain at Penn State, just like there is in government agencies, hospitals, police departments, private industry, etc. that when one hears about an activity that one of their co-workers or peer group is engaging in that may be immoral, criminal, or bad for the entire group, an individual is supposed to report according to the chain of command. The man who thought he heard the rape of a young boy in a shower, and saw what he thought was suspicious activity involving Jerry Sandusky reported to Paterno, Paterno reported what he was told to his superiors, and the report went up the chain of command where the matter was swept under the rug. There were parents who complained about what they thought was the possible molestation of their children by Jerry Sandusky to University administration where nothing was done. These parents should have also complained to the police as that would have generated an investigation, but they didn’t and the molestations continued. The decision of the NCAA to strip the team of its wins because Jerry Sandusky was a child molester is ridiculous and wrong. The football players did nothing wrong.  It is doubtful that Sandusky was molesting any children in the showers while the football team or any of its members were present. Sanctioning the football program for future games is also wrong as those team members aren’t responsible for senior administration officials not taking action when they were told about possible child molestation being done on campus by an assistant coach. Students who were awarded football scholarships to Penn State did nothing wrong, but they will be punished anyway and while they can probably transfer to other universities, that won’t guarantee them a spot on the football team at the new college. Tearing down Paterno’s statue, while probably making the NCAA and university adminstration officials feel like they are doing something worthwhile, the truth is that Paterno was the winningest coach in college football history and while the sanctions may take away the wins on paper, they do nothing to take away the wins in the memories of students, the public, and the history of college football.  Paterno’s dead and the university’s administration, who tried to bury the molestation reports for years until the whole nasty mess suddenly appeared in the news, decided they needed to blame someone further down the biting chain and they chose a terminally ill man who was at the end of his coaching career to deflect attention from their own inaction and irresponsibility. Take away previous wins and take away future wins, but the bottom line is sanctions aren’t going to change what happened to Sandusky’s victims or take the memories of the molestation away. Ridiculous over-reaction won’t compensate for the inaction of university officials who were ultimately resposible for the ongoing molestation.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QGSB4TXPP4URG4V42UH4JJTY4I Christopher

    It’s the NCAA.  First glimpse for me was when they made all the Universities that didn’t have a powerful tribe backing them to change from Native Indian names.  The less powerful Universities or tribes-supported Universities that wanted the schools to keep the name…so sorry. PC big time.  ESPN is obviously drifting that way too.  Not sure why Sports is becoming officially PC.  Maybe digging up that old movie (supposed to be tongue-in-cheek at the time) PCU will enlighten.

  • Anonymous

    We reap what we sow.  We all live in a sewer of our desires and yet are so shocked when an unfortunate soul smells worse than the others.  Punish the guilty, but that’s not enough — we all have to try to climb out of the sewer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Merriam/556280871 Jesse Merriam

    While I’m in total agreement that the wins shouldn’t be struck…as that’s just punishing the students that won or lost those games through their own merits…I’m somewhat appalled by those saying that these punishments went too far, or that they should stop at the people directly responsible.

    I’m sorry, but the school as a whole is responsible.  The higher ups in the chain made the decision that their reputation and football program was more important than the protection of children.  Penn State should be thankful that they even have a college to run at this point.

    I am disappointed that they did not receive the death penalty to their football program as well.  By all rights they should have.  The punishments levied upon the school from the NCAA are night stiff enough.  Though, I think the damage done to the school as a whole by the entire event will forever stain the school and drive down the numbers of students wishing to attend.

  • Anonymous

    It’s rather sad that the whole school, students, and athletes and the game records have to

    suffer because of the mistakes of a few people.       This is very harsh.      Sorta like the knee-

    jerk reaction to the shootings in Aurora, CO last week and the call for gun controls.   How often

    do tragedies like this occur in the US?  Someone on Fox News ran down the list of other nations

    who have had similar incidents.  Including Norway which has one of the most restrictive gun laws in

    the world, yet a man there murdered something like 70 people!  It’s not the guns.  It’s the people.

  • Anonymous

     the players who were on the teams from 1998 on live’s are no different today than they were yesterday before the wins were voided.  What this does do is punish Paterno further and also removes his name as the winning-est coach in D1 history.  It also punishes the program’s reputation further, the wins were all symbolic as if to say from the point of the incident on Joe Paterno was no longer really a football coach.  The current players are slightly negatively effected but it is a direct result of a severe institutional failure and frankly there lucky to have a football program for the next two years, plus current players can transfer wherever they want and not have to lose a year of eligibility like they normally would.

  • Anonymous

    rewriting history.

  • Anonymous

    Glen: 
    Good observation about Grambling coach.
    Joe Pat was a catholic—bad.
    Even worse—remember him at the repub convention giving a speech for Bush 1?
    He had to pay for that , just as Nixon had to pay for Alger Hiss

    jt

  • Anonymous

    Taking away the wins doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.  Taking down the statue makes sense — I’m not really comfortable with memorializing people in statue form anyway, seems like idolatry to me.  But Penn State’s wins were obtained fairly.  Sandusky’s actions off the field did not affect their scores.  It doesn’t seem like a logical punishment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rico-Katt/100001433841770 Rico Katt

    The players did not participate in Sandusky’s abuse of boys.  Penalizing  them is the same as penalizing the students of a teacher who abused another child or penalizing the entire Lackland AFB squadron where women where found abused by one training instructor (so far).

  • Anonymous

    Taking away the wins makes all the sense in the world if you want Eddie Robinson to have the most wins.

    Someday they will take away the most strikeouts from Sandy Koufax because he
     he knew Morris Pollard (Jonathan’s Father) and he didn;t report it. But it won’t have anything to do with the fact that he is a jew.

  • Anonymous

    The players may have on the games, but Paterno got credit for the wins.  Each player out there knows he did his best and that’s the legacy they can live with.  This was about bringing down the Paterno legacy and I have no problem with it.  I just wish he had lived to see the damage he has done.

  • Anonymous

    what old movie.
    espn has been pc for years.

  • Anonymous

    Good on Lackland.
    Now , what about Tailhook?

  • Anonymous

    You know, if they can rewrite history this way, why not reverse the drought
    in the Mid-west, and while they’re at it change the 2008 presidental election
    results?  This is going way too far.  You’d have to think Paterno and each
    team he coached were taking a turns with Sadusky to justify all this.  Sure
    maybe there was a lack of follow through in this travesty, but let us not make
    ourselves into a mob and kill Penn State University and its athletic program.
    Where are they going to stop?  It’s a State University.  Are they going to drive
    the State of Pennsylvania out of the union as well?  Take down the statue if
    you must, but to tar a feather a dead man who had decades of honorable service
    to his University and his community is just plain wrong.

  • Anonymous

    For me the only surprising element is the degree of the fine; $60 Million. The fact that me as a Pennsylvania taxpayer with kids who aspire or at least until recently, aspired to attend Penn State, I know it is going to hurt. I do not know if the interim University President’s decision to sign the consent agreement with the NCAA without full board of trustees approval is aok with his powers, but if it avoided the formal Death Penalty, then it is difficult to argue. The NCAA job of policing its members, usually involves sanctions for programs that are out of control; “friends of the program” distributing cash and gifts; academic advisors and tutors who assist in academic fraud; routine recruiting violations; no independent oversight of compliance. Anyone with more than just a passing familiarity with State College knows that for years Joe Pa could do what ever he wanted because he did so much good for the University besides winning football games. Consequently he was revered by the student body who later grew up and became alumni. The fact that Graham Spanier could not “fire” Joe Pa, after he met with him to encourage his retirement (2004 or 2005) tells it all. So when your iconic program leader decides that Jerry Sandusky  need not be prosecuted by the University, it does not happen. Curley and Shultz knew who the boss was, and it was not them. The fact that two janitors were too afraid to report a rape by Sandusky, because they would lose their jobs shows the perception of the “little people” of the power of the program. As to the “big people”, the fact that the best witness against Sandusky,  6′ 4″ 240 pound former starting quarterback Mike McQueary froze and did not physically attack Sandusky, or go to the police himself, independent of the University, in my opinion is indicative of the protect your own culture of the Penn State program. (by the way, Joe Pa’s struggles with independent University discipline for his football players who ran afoul of academic and code of conduct standards is well documented). The program culture was its own undoing. And for that, the NCAA had to come down hard on the program.

    Despite the highly respected Adam Taliaferro’s tweet to the contrary ( he was partially paralyzed in one of the forfeited games and has since graduated from law school, joined the Board of Trustees and become a local politician), in my opinion, the forfeiture of victories is meaningless and irrelevant; it is however, standard operating procedure for disgraced coaches and programs.The players know who won those games–do you think the players at Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State or any other Big Ten School who lost to Penn State during those years are celebrating their newly found victory? So what that Paterno drops on the all time list; to whom does that matter? Do the kids who were raped  by his trusted assistant of 25 years care about Joe Pa’s record?

    The forfieture of scholarships and bowl games, and the loss of shared Big Ten bowl game revenue–now that is a bite that will effect the program for 8 years. And for every rabid fan, booster, friend of the program, administrator, coach or recruiting coordinator in Tallahassee, Knoxville, Eugene, Columbus and the countless other places where Saturday in the autumn is a religious ritual, you better take notice. Many conservative, God fearing state and Federal court judges will issue a sentence to make an example or set a standard for future cases. NCAA does the same thing. If you do not like being made an example of, perhaps you, as an instituion, should do a better job of complying with the law and moral standards.

    To the wingnuts below who think Joe Pa is being attacked unfairly because he is dead and/or a Republican, or this is some liberal thought police punishment, you need a new conspiracy theory. The NCAA is the most capitalist and conservative organization you could find. As to the suggestion below that Paterno’s victories were removed so that a black head coach, Eddie Robinson, could now sit atop the list is patently absurd and racist in its own right. Remember, the Penn State football program, by the inaction of its leaders allowed Sandusky to commit crimes in its facilities. Even after they knew he had already assaulted a kid, he was given a retirement package and emeritus status and lifetime use of the facilities. This act in itself was completely immoral. In any corporation, responsibility for the criminal acts of underlings always falls on the feet of the top exec; fair or unfair is not the question. If it happened on your watch, it is ultimatley your fault. If you participated in hiding it in any way, you have to pay. Why should a University be any different?

  • Anonymous

    The whole situation at Penn State is disgusting..people will never forgive or forget Sandusky’s crimes against these young men, or those that ignored it for the sake of Sports…No Way!

  • Anonymous

    Beck defends Penn? As usual, on the ugly side of the history.

  • Anonymous

    Jay Bilas (Duke Universiy grad, played basketball for Coach K, commentates for ESPN and is also a practicing attorney still I believe) had an interesting comment on ESPN yesterday.  He claimed the NCAA went too far in their punishment, and potentially established a dangerous precedent in their “reach” for punishment.  He cited a recent case where a male lacrosse player mudered a female larosse player, who was alegedly stalking his victim prior to murdering her.  Jay brought up the fact that, based on the reach the NCAA exhibited yesterday… a case could be made that the University (I don’t remember what college) “didn’t do enough” to protect the murder victim.  Where does the collective punishment, and “reach” of the NCAA stop?

  • Anonymous

    All these actions seem premature to me.  The two Penn State administrators who were indicted have yet to stand trial.  Who knows what information may yet surface?  What happens if his superiors, that he and McQuery  reported the incident to, are found NOT GUILTY.?  Does Joe Paterno become the only guilty party?  .  The Freeh report, by anyone who has read it, is flawed and jumps to conclusions that are unfounded based on the factual information presented. 

    What I do know is that Joe Paterno served his University and profession in outstanding fashion for over 61 years.  He may have had a lapse in judgement in this particular case, but in no case would anyone convince me that he purposely covered up Sandusky’s behavior.

    Punishing the players is totally wrong, they certainly did nothing wrong.  Paterno and most of his staff are gone what did the players do to deserve this?.

  • Kelly Fowler

    As harsh as the punishment may seem we should all ask ourselves one very important questions…What if it were your child? how harsh would the punishment seem them if this situation was about you or your child. We can all be offended and stand up for whatever we want but were not the ones living day in and day out with what happened. We are not the ones that had our lives permanently alter because of this situation. Everyone says that it was not anyone but Sandusky that commit the crimes but don’t you think our children deserve better then that from us. Those that ignore the crime are just as guilty as those that commit it.

  • Anonymous

     What’s at issue at here is not just how Penn State’s traditions and  their football program will survive, but what will be the effect on college football in general?    What caused the Penn State officials  to act as they did was their desire to protect the institution, that is,
    College Football and their place in it.  I am guesing that this is not the first time
    there has been a scandal that, in order to protect the sport from the bad press of a damaging story, they lied or acted in ways that could have been harshly criticized. 
    The only real answer to this problem is the death penalty for all of college football. 
    No scolarships, only student athletes, perhaps no Bowl games as well.  Maybe someday,
    if that should happen, we’ll see a Football National Championship won by an Ivy League school again. Then we might be able to say college football has its priorities finally in order again. What do you think are the chances of that ever happening?
     
     

  • Anonymous

    It is interesting to discover that ‘in any corporation, criminal acts of “underlings”( Underlings?….really?) always falls on the feet of the top exec.
    i’m trying to see how that works; if somebody (an underling) shoots their neighbors dog, and they work for Xerox or they’re an underling at Penn St….what happens.?
    It would be interesting to wander into court, criminal or civil,  and see how many execs are being tried that day for the misdeeds their ‘underlings.’
     
    There’s liabilty theory, and then there’s just plain stupid.

    Ditto your vacuous rebuttal to the notion that E Robinson moving up on the list was done for ‘racial’ reasons, and that  to suggest as much is in and of itself  a ‘racist’ comment because you think so.
    That criticism carries with it the same weight and authority as the blizzard of similar media dismissals  repeatedly insisting that it is wrong to criticise Obama because he is a communist who had his coming out party with a felon son of a millionaire industrialist(Thomas Ayers) and an IRA terrorist with blood on her hands. Don’t bring that up because its”racist’.

    Wow. I really don’t think I could take it if somebody called me a racist.

    When you have proof of ‘racism’, bring it. In the meantime , the rest of us are waiting for a better trier of fact than Louis Freah, a commited left wing political hack if there ever was one.

    Go Penn State

    JT, Underling
    class of ’84

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Bilas’ comments are usually thoughtful, although this time, I may be in disagreement with him. The school was UVA, one of the premier mens lax programs in the country.The university and the men’s lacrosse coaches have already been sued for not addressing the violent behavior of the murderer. According to the $30 Million civil suit against the University, the coaches and ergo the University failed to comply with its own policies on suspending and refering for treatment students with demonstrated alcohol abuse problems. if the complaint is accurate, the coaches witnessed the murderer’s drunken state and the consequences of his violent attacks on more than one occasion. nevethess, he was never suspended from the team nor referred for counselling,as required by the policy. He was not even suspended when in a drunken state, he attacked a teammate (who was asleep at the time) for the apparent slight of being seen with his former girlfirend. The teamate was seen by the team trainer and the coaches met with both guys to talk it through. If the University failed to apply the policy to the murderer, yet applied it to to a “bench warmer” ( the murderer was a star), as alleged, the University may have a problem. If the Complaint is true, the murderer became drunk at a team golf couting in the presence of his own father and coaches. Later that night, he killed his former girlfriend.The murderer has also been sued in a civil suit by the family of the victim.
    http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wvir/documents/LoveUVALawsuitA.pdf

  • http://twitter.com/vhvila Vickie H. Vila

    Usual over-reaction by those who fell asleep at the wheel.

  • Anonymous

    They picked 1998 for a reason, it’s when Sandusky was forced to “retire”  when he was slated to take over for Paterno and after he was caught in the shower with a little boy.  He was interviewed and no charges filed but was still able to use their facilities and be associated with the Second Mile program for kids.  Unbelievably he was witnessed again by McQueary and a janitor and nothing was done again in 2000 and 2002.  No way Paterno gets away with the “i didn’t know” defense after knowing about the shower in 1998 and being involved in reporting the McQueary incident.  Penn State lived by Paterno’s reputation now they can die along with it.

  • Anonymous

    Taking those wins away was exactly the right thing to do. They picked 1998 for a reason, it’s when Sandusky was caught in the shower with a little boy and the mother found out and took it to the authorities.  No charges were filed but Sandusky was forced to retire in 99 even though he was slated to become the next head coach at PSU after Paterno.  Sandusky was still able to use the facilities and be involved in the Second Mile program where he was preying on kids.  In 2000 and 2002 he was caught by a janitor and then by McQueary.  Folks, Paterno knew about 1998 and overlooked it and everything was covered up. 2 and 4 years later Sandusky was caught assaulting two boys and again it was known by Paterno and covered up because now Paterno is directly culpable for letting the 1998  incident go without reporting it to the public.

         If 1998 happened and then 2000 and 2002 gets out way back then what do you thing would have happened to the precious Paterno and his $60 million? Exactly what did eventually happen.  Penn State lived by Paterno’s reputation now they can die along with it.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps I was not clear; top management is usually discharged by their Board when crimes or acts of malfeasance are prepetrated by other senior executives. And the corporation pays a significant fine to the (state, local Federal) government..In the coporate context, for a crime of this magnitude, ( or a crime of fraud) the CEO would lose his job and the victims would sucessfully sue the corporation for lack of oversight.The analogy of a xerox worker shooting the neighbor’s dog is inapplicable; Sandusky’s first reported crime occured when he was an employee of the University; the others occured while he was listed as emeritus on the faculty or in the Athletic Department-either way, he had unlimited access to the Unviersity facilities where he committed some of the crimes.

     Sandusky was subordinate to Paterno; Paterno (theoretically only) was subordinate to the Athletic Director; Athletic Director was subordinate to the President. In this situation, they all were discharged or should have been discharged earler than they were. The University pays the penalty now because the University did not provide the proper oversight. That the interim President agreed in the context of a Consent Agreement to the penalties indicates to me that the University, like many corporations (see drug price fixing cases; off label FDA prosecutions, environmental crimes case), is ready to move on and take the medicine. Indeed I think that was one of the lessons Joe Paterno taught his players–you go outside of my rules, you sit a few games or miss a bowl game. And you do not do it twice because you have learned your lesson.

    Vacuous rebuttal? Your implication is that “someone” wants to move Eddie Robinson up the list. another blogger refered to his race as the reason. Who wants to put Eddie Robinson on the top of the list? Mr. Emhart? The big left wing conspiracy that Beck warns about? Are you joking? Yeah, I can see it now, the NCAA guys are just sitting around since Robinson’s retirement just waiting for an excuse to get Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno , Bear Bryant and a host of others out of the way. if you are going outside of D1, the coach with the best record is the guy from a D3 school in Minnesota, not Eddie Robinson. I think Bobby Bowden moves up to number one now if we are talking D1 and not D1AA or that pathetic name the NCAA came up with (FCS vs FBS).

    What does Obama, Bill Ayers and Ms Dohrn ( if that is who you meant by IRA terrorist –she ws not by the way she was  a Weatherman) have to do with this?

    Louis Freeh was the choice of the University management.You have a problem with him–take it up with the Board of Trustees. Motiviation for him to do a hack job on Penn Staes is exactly what?  While I recall many a blunder at the FBI, I do not recall him in the same sentence as a left wing hack.

  • Anonymous

    It seems as though the point being made by the punishments, regardless of how severe or how unjust, is “We can just punish away the fact that the system itself needs to be changed”.  If people were not being preyed upon, by holding survival (like a carrot) in front of people and forcing them to “measure up or do without”, perhaps people wouldn’t be caught relaxing their morals and doing things that they would not normally do because they feel like the action might gain them favor in the measuring up.  The more dependent people become upon the favor of others, perhaps for fear of survival, the more lax the moral fiber becomes.  Not to be confused with the same mentality forcing women, until women’s equality sucked them into the game, to do whatever it takes to find a man to be their savior, or more bluntly put a “gold-digger”.  It just seems that if we were really concerned about fixing the problems, we would focus on what allowed the problems to present themselves, rather than attack how people (separation of church and state) take advantage of those struggling for to “measure up”.    

  • Anonymous

    Weather Underground , I stand corrected.
    By your witless (master-servant?) theory, however, I assert that Bernadete Dohrn has blood on her hands. That  she and other members of her group of admitted terrorists  failed in their attempt to blow up the pentagon, or were so incompetent that they blew themselves to smithereens, does not absolve her ,or WAyers,Obama’s other best neighborhod friend,  of a blood crime. (Read her comments in wiki recounting her delight at the Tate murders…” Killed those pigs…WILD”.  Yet,Obama has dinner with these infamous, murderous democrat pary donors…So , following your abysmal algorithms for assigning culpabilty and responsibilty for other people’s action’s , where does that leave the president in all this?

  • Anonymous

    The Lion Strikes Back
     
    I don’t believe the homophobia on display here.
    If you don’t know what homophobia is , it’s when you get scared because a homosexual has fired up a chainsaw and started to chase you around the room.
    There’s that kind of homophobia, type A , and then there is the other kind , when you happen to notice a naked coach in the shower doing funny things with a bar of soap. If you get scared because the coach is in the shower doing strange things with a bar of soap , then you’re a homophobe, a bigot, a gay-baiter, and you should be fired for discriminating against gay people.
     
    OR
     
    You need to go to sensitivity class with an emphsis on fear management.
    You should not be afraid of homosexuals. Homosexuals are good people.
    And it is important to train young children not to be afraid of homosexuals, even when they have a bar of soap. (What’s wrong with soap?)
     
    We really know nothing about Gerry Sandusky except that he had a committed , visionary platform regarding hygiene and an almost messianic desire to tranmit that  vision for cleanliness to America’s youth.
     And the man had fervor, something most of you apparently know nothing about.
    To be afraid of somebody just because they want to be clean is immorral,( and calls into
    question your own sanitary habits).

    There are books on this subject, available in any gradeschool , which apparently none of you have taken the time to read
     
    If Sandusky gets a even1/2way decent lawyer, he will be vindicated at trial, while the rest of you hang your heads in shame for having rushed to judgement in this sordid affair.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

  • Anonymous

    I agree with pgson.
     And I wonder just how “guilty” Joe Paterno was. I have a feeling that he was thrown under the bus to protect the “higher-ups” admin people. He can’t dispute the results; he’s dead. It is my understanding that he did report it to the “higher-ups” and they did nothing. As far as hurting the players by denying them the 100 wins, the players know they won the games and they know the action was taken only to further sully Joe Paterno’s name and reputation. Remember,the Univesity feels that if Joe is considered guilty they’ve talken the heat off the college where it actually belongs. 
    My experience, albeit, only from following college football for as many years as Joe coached, is that he was not the type of man who could be guilty of this type of behavior.
    AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH TAKING HIS STATUE DOWN.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KathleenHauser Kathy Hauser

    I would like to see due process. What is the whole truth? We may never know, but we certainly will not know until the rest of the cases are processed. It seems as though this has turned into guilty until proven otherwise. Please note Penn State is being punished based on its handling of two events for which Sandusky was found NOT guilty. These are the events for which he was not charged. It seems as though a lot is being based on one man’s opinion / interpretation of things without allowing the courts to complete the process.

  • Anonymous

    As I have posted many times before, Dohrn and Ayers actions were amoral during the days of the Weather Undrground. The fact that to this day neither has repented is cause enough for any sane person to completely distance themselves from them They should have been convicted and served time–technicalities I believe got them off the hook.The fact that then community organizer/adjunct law professor Barack Obama associated with them in the U of Chicago. neighborhood I think) is problematic. Perhaps he did not know his facts on the 60s; when someone holds a fundraiser for your nascent political career, you’d best understand who that person is.From a pragmatic view, Obama was a fool to hang with these two people; more likely, he did not have any problems with them. Obama never lied about redistribution of income– he always said he was in favor of it, so no surprise that he could hang out with them. Serious lack of judgment on his part.So the right wing press has had a field day with this association; there are far more important errors made by President Obama that justify him being a one term president.

    As to my abysmal algorithms, there is no comparison. The fines against Penn State were assigned by an organization to which Penn State voluntarily submits to its justice. That organization has made it clear to its members that lack of institutional control is going to be punished. The institution failed in the Sandusky matter. Penn State is not a guilt by association case; it is institutional failure.

  • Anonymous

     Without getting into an argument, you need to get your fact straight.  In February of 1998, Joe Paterno told Sandusky that he would not be the head coach of Penn State.  Shortly after he announce his retirement.  In April or May of 1998, Sandusky assaulted his first victim.
    It was AD Curley, that brought Sandusky back for 1999 season.

    Please read the report and state facts before you start commenting.  Though I am an Alumni, I am not defending anyone.  I want the facts and I want people to use logic not emotion when judging.

  • Anonymous

     Since I graduated in 2003 from PSU and started school in 1998, does that mean my degree in engineering does not mean anything?  Are my 9 years of experience since then all void?

    If football was such a powerful force and controlled everything, then why is PSU an AAU member.  Why is PSU ranked among the top research universities?  Why is PSU engineering programs ranked in the top 10 to 20 every year?  Seems like PSU takes academics pretty seriously.

  • Jordon McKee

    The players lives aren’t affected?  Are you kidding me?  It would be as if you worked a job for four years, made huge accomplishments, created some amazing work, then built a career from that experience and success after you’ve left that job.  However one day that former employer gets into trouble.  His partner turns him in for using company money to hire prostitutes while he’s at work in his office.  The state then decides to take away all the work you and other employees accomplished during those years.  None of the employees can put their names to anything that was done during that time. You can’t refer to your accomplishments professionally now.  You can’t put it on resumes.  Your children and grandchildren will never know of your accomplishments.  You will be tarnished by acts that you never committed or even knew about.  You may still keep the job you have now but you will never be able to account for those four years professionally ever again.  It’s empty space.  Can you imagine the toll something like that would take on your mental and emotional well-being?  What it would do to the pride and satisfaction you hold as a contributor to work in your community?

  • Anonymous

    But that’s not the situation. It only goes down as losses in official record books, everyone knows the losses were just vacated b/c of the horrible actions by the institution. They will know about your accomplishments b/c you will tell them I was on the Penn state team that did this but it was scrubbed b/c the school did that. And the resume analogy doesn’t work b/c no player would put won x amount of games at penn state on a resume. Players are judged by talent and players who don’t go pro have it seen as an extracurricular. All this affects is what’s in the record books. The former players will be fine. The only innocents negatively effected are the current players who have to serve the bowl ban but they have the option to transfer without forfeiting a year if they want to get out and have a chance to go to a bowl game.
    It’s a symbolic punishment and it is fitting. If any criticism can be made of vacating wins is that it is really stupid and trivial. Nobody is hurt here except for Paterno’s place in the record books.

  • Anonymous

    My facts are straight as an arrow and you are absolutely wrong in your assumption that it was april or may of 1998 that he assaulted his first victim it’s just the first time it was brought out to authorities and Paterno by the child’s mother. The first allegations brought forth in court were 1994-1997 but I guarantee you it was most of Sandusky’s adult life these guys just don’t start molesting out of the clear blue. It was covered up and it continued inside PSU facilities even though he was caught in 2000 (not brought to authorities) and by McQueary in 2002. Paterno was anything like his legend it would have all ended in 1998. 

    Like I said they picked 1998 for a reason.  Sandusky was forced to retire after 32 years for a reason in 1998.  I have no bone to pick with college sports I couldn’t care less about them but you really need to come to grips with what a fraud Paterno and PSU’s legacy was for the past 15 years.

  • Anonymous

    Why is no one discussing the lack of any law enforcement involvement in any of this?  This started in 1998 when the DA decided not to prosecute.  Why then should Paterno be held responsible for doing anything?  In 2001 he informed the president of the university and the police chief for the university.  The Freeh report claims that “it is reasonable to conclude” that Paterno influenced the administration to enact a cover-up. 

    Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but without due process in this whole mess we are jumping to conclusions.  I find it absurd that the NCAA is involved in this at all, but especially with no formal investigation. 

  • Anonymous

    Long Way From Over

    The WSJ weighed in today, (letters to ed, from somebody in GreenBay):

    ” ….Freeh report….understand that the evidence against Paterno is exceedingly thin and ambiguous…Morover the investigators did not interview Paterno, the administrators who await trial, or the witness to the incident at the heart of the story. CONTRARY to implications in the executive summary,…the Freeh report conclusions concerning Paterno are simply OPINION based on incompolete information…”

    Boo-yeah

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hunter-Elton-Bailey-Jr/100001596666960 Hunter Elton Bailey Jr.

    Mr. Beck, Thank -you for what you said last week about Penn State. I do agree with you the wins should stay. It is maddening to see that this great country is going the way it has gone. Please keep telling the truth!! 

  • Anonymous

    jtorrio: Huh? this gibberish would give a politician a run for his money. I didn’t understand your point – if you were even trying to make one – However, “homophobia” is not a term that should be used to define people who think the gay life style is wrong. As for me I believe in “live and let live” and “to each his own”. What I don’t care for is the openly public practice of their sexual activity.
    Phobia means fear of course and I believe most ant-gays do not “fear” homosexuals but they don’t know the Latin for ‘disgust”. It is only about 10% of the gay community which is only about 3% of the population involved in this type of radicalism and the word, “homophobe” is their ultimate insult dart! The remaining 90% of the 3% (the majority) – as far as I know – are good people!
    What happened at Penn State was much more than “open activity”; it was a felonious act of perversion and – pardon me of I’m wrong but I sense that you don’t think that it’s a “big deal”. The big deal is that the perp got his just desserts, but the innocent bystander – who I believe did all that he should have – is still being attacked even after his demise. I say let JoePa RIP. And you. jtorrio, should get some help.