B.S. of A.’s Matt Fisher discusses his sister and the viral story of his family’s battle with Progressive Insurance

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All week, The B.S. of A.’s Matt Fisher has been taking to social media to share the story of what he and his family have been going through in their battle with Progressive Insurance. Today, he joined Glenn on radio to discuss what he and his family have been going through.

Before Matt joined the program, Glenn reviewed the details of the case. Two years ago, Matt’s sister Katie was killed when she was driving and struck by a driver who ran a red light. While the driver was underinsured, Katie’s policy with Progressive Auto Insurance covered the difference between what her estate should have been paid and the amount that the underinsured driver’s insurance paid out. However, due to state laws, they had to prove the driver’s negligence, and they took him to civil court.

Progressive then did the unthinkable – rather than pay out the payment for the person they insured, they ended up defending her killer in court.

You can get more details on the Fisher family case here.

After the family ended up proving the driver’s negligence in court, Matt took to his blog to write about the situation in a post titled “My Sister Paid Progressive Insurance to Defend Her Killer In Court. The post quickly went viral, and Progressive tried to minimize their involvement on public platforms including Twitter, Facebook, and the internet.

“Thank you so much for having me.  And thank you so much for shedding so much light on this situation,” Matt said as he joined the show.

After explaining the details of what happened to his sister, Matt explained what he saw when he went to court. Rather than support their policy holder, the company actively tried to show that Katie Fisher was at fault for the accident to avoid paying the policy.

“In the trial I sat and watched the trial and I wasn’t a party to it.  My parents were,” he said. “But during the trial a lawyer from progressive argued against my sister.  Argued that my sister was at fault in the accident that killed her.”

“Her insurance company was arguing for the person who actually struck her with the car,” Stu explained.

Matt described, “He gave an opening statement in the trial where he said the other driver wasn’t negligent.  He questioned and cross‑examined witnesses.  He gave a closing statement where he asked the jury to find that my sister was negligent.”

How much were they supposed to pay to Katie’s estate? What was the price of putting the family through this painful process, a process that has ultimately resulted in their own brand being pummeled on social media? $75,000!

“All over $75,000.  That is amazing.  You would think they were talking about $5 million.  They make this big a deal over $75,000,” Pat said.

“It’s outrageous.  It’s mystifying to me.  I can’t imagine what portion of the $75,000 they wasted dragging us into court,” Matt said.

“Let me give you a piece of nonlegal issue,” Glenn said. “Make them pay $75,000.  And make them pay, and more and more important than money make them fire the people that were responsible so this doesn’t happen to somebody else.  Look at the pain you went through.  It’s not about money.  It’s making sure this doesn’t happen to somebody else’s family.”

Glenn then asked Matt to talk about his sister Katie.

“She was 24 at the time, and I very much appreciate you asking.  It’s one of the perverse things about that here I am talking about insurance if I had the ear of the world I’d be talking about my sister. She was seven years my junior.  She was an engineer.  She had just got her master at Johns Hopkins.  And I had no one closer in my life.  I’ve never heard of any two people as close as my sister and I were.  And I’ve never heard of anyone who has been as good to another as my sister was to me.”

SInce the interview with Glenn, Matt has taken to Twitter using the hashtag #KatieFisher so people can read and hear stories about her life, rather than just her death.

Others have picked up on it as well:

 

  • Anonymous

    Glenn Beck Doesn’t bash any company?  short memory Glenn, anyway  I’m glad you are talking about this though, this is an example of the greedy in capitalism, company have no morals.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Mr Fisher, for you and your family I extend condolences and sympathies to for the nightmare of losing a sister and then having to fight this mess with the insurance company. Thank you for having the courage to step forward and tell the story of this going on; and may such deeds as this be brought into the light so people knows what is going on in full.

    May God grant you justice and loving memories of your sister; may He give and comfort all of you with the loving presence of Him and His Spirit, may he keep you and strengthen you and allow much goodness to come out of this as the need for justice and judgement come forward.

    Please keep telling the story, for only when such wrongs as you and your family have suffered are fully told in truth and light, then can change for the better be achieved.

  • http://twitter.com/MichelleMoody19 Michelle Moody

    Glenn then asked Matt to talk about his sister Katie. http://KingofProfits.blogspot.com

  • Anonymous

     Progressive Insurance is owned by Obama supporter George Soros…a greedy capitalist trying to destroy capitalism…what a flippin hypocrite!!

  • Anonymous

    What happened to America’s businesses
    being honorable?

  • http://www.facebook.com/don.weaver.9889 Don Weaver

    I see Progressive advertisments on an every day basis, being done on many tv stations. 
    When I hear the name Progressive here after, ths story will come to mind. I will never purchase insurance from this company. Furthermore, I will tell this story to any one that will listen.
    Have a strong feeling much more than the $75,000 paid out will be lost by Progressive.Members of my family that currently carry Progressive, have said they will not renew. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anne-Caluwaert/100000218117532 Anne Caluwaert

    I would not touch progressive with a 40 ft. pole. The name alone is enough to scare me away, but nutty Flo is truly weird.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anne-Caluwaert/100000218117532 Anne Caluwaert

    Progressive is owned by Peter lewis, a blazing liberal of the Soros ilk. If you have this insurance, be sure you know to supports all left wing causes, including obumbler.

  • Anonymous

    If the story I am reading is true, it is tragic and my heart and prayers go out the Fisher family.
    But…
    I am confused…
    glenn beck loves private insurance…
    Why is glenn attacking Progressive? 

  • Anonymous

    What is amazing is that “emsmjs” could care less that “Progressive” is owned by a progressive and its name came from the progressive movement. It will have absolutely no effect. After all, to a progressive, its all about the cause, If there cause had the effect of eliminating millions of people they would simply say it was a justified means to an end. Of course, they would end with, “capitalism is evil.”

  • http://twitter.com/jude83268949 jude

    Progressive is a democrat backer 100% what did you expect. 
    honesty from a progressive company, not going to happen

  • Anonymous

    I hope Progressive loses hundreds of thousands of policies over this. Wow, how pathetic!

  • Anonymous

    Ssssssstttttoooooopppppp, already!

  • Anonymous

    Because, I imagine, this insurance company doesn’t live up to his standards.  Anything named “Progressive” is actually regressive.

  • SoThere

    Progressive insurance is owned by Progressives and his attack is because of their failure to follow through on their policy and pay the poor people who lost their daughter.

    Strtlk is a moron and a hatemonger. He obviously can’t read because of his inability to see through his liberally fogged up glasses.

    Save America, vote Conservative, the country is depending on you to save it.

    Save America, Vote Conservative.

  • Anonymous

    Capitalism isn’t evil, it’s the capitalist that are evil, they have no moral and don’t care about anything except $$$$.  What the saying….”its not personal, its business”.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/beatriz.vargas.cune Beatriz Vargas

    The only thing left to do is to advise all that have policies with “Progresive” to cancel and get insured with some honest Conservative insurer.

  • Anonymous

    Shocking.
    An insurance company is doing everything in their power to make a profit.
    Thank God for the Affordable Care Act!!!

    To avoid further attacks from glenn, Progressive should simply buy beck off like the rest of his puppet masters

  • http://www.facebook.com/tmhouston Tim Houston

    As someone who has worked in the legal field for more than 15 years working as a paralegal for firms who represent accident victims, this story plays out all-too-often. 

    This type of case is called an Supplemental Uninsured/UnderInsured Motorist claim (SUM). SUM coverage is optional in most states and protects you should you become injured through the negligence of another person and that person a) doesn’t have auto insurance or b) has a policy less than yours and the “value”  of your injuries exceed their policy limits.   As in this case, once the defendant tenders their full policy, you have the right to file a claim with your SUM insurance carrier for the difference between your policy and the full amount received from the defendant.

    This is where things get ugly.  All too often, your insurance carrier becomes the “bad guy” and will do things to diminish and devalue your case.   In most states like New York where I’ve worked, unless you are a) hit in the rear or b) a passenger in someone’s vehicle, there’s a law called “comparative negligence” which says that a judge/jury can decide what percentage at fault you are versus the other party and then any recovery (verdict, decision or otherwise) would be reduced by that percentage. 

    The extent of the injuries (or death), the comparative negligence, the “value” of a person’s life (based upon economic models determined by their age, profession, earning capacity over a lifetime, life expectancy, etc.)  all come into play as well.

    States like New York give SUM policy holders the option to a) go to arbitration [where about 90% of cases end up and resolved within months] or b) file a lawsuit against the carrier [which rarely is done and takes forever to resolve].   It sounds like in Maryland where this case is,  the lawsuit may have been the only option for the family.

    A 22 year old with a Masters Degree in Engineering could have a life value in the millions.  It’s extremely foolish for the claims adjuster and their management to take a position that the family is not entitled
    to the $75K even if Ms. Fisher was 51% or more at fault.

    While many insurance companies have you believe that their “good hands” or “good neighbor” and their “savings” approach will protect you, all too often they turn out to be your worst nightmare.   A lot of work tends
    to go into personal injury cases and it’s an phill battle on all sides: the defendant’s insurance company, the victim’s insurance company and lastly the legal system. 

    Just knowing what I’ve heard and read about Ms. Fisher’s case, Progressive could be acting in what’s called “Bad Faith” for not resolving the claim and could/should be sued by the Fisher family.  The standard of bad faith is difficult but not impossible to prove and in cases where insurance companies have lost, they’ve paid VERY dearly.  I would strongly suggest that Matt and his family speak to their legal counsel or another one who could guide them accordingly.

    My heart goes out to Matt and his family as well as to the other REAL victims of accidents who were not just hurt physically and emotionally through the negligence of others but also by the very companies they trusted and paid to protect them for situations like the one that Matt’s family is going through.

    Thank you Glenn and Matt for bringing this to light for so many people.

  • SoThere

    Folks, strtlk is the face of the Liberal Progressives. He’s a typical hatemonger.

    Save America, vote Conservative.

  • Anonymous

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7AGF6T566ICD7BGIKBT4C7E2XQ Ellen

    Progressive Insurance – the name says it all. My Mom and Dad had this insurance – full coverage.  My mom had an accident – single car accident – my dad was the passenger.  Both were injured but my Dad ended up with serious complications – which 4 years later he died from.  Seems open and shut that Progressive should pay for the hospital and doctors and such.  No such luck – Dad (actually me as POA) had to sue Mom for the insurance to pay off.  If we hadn’t gotten a lawyer knowledgable in such matters – Mom (and Dad) would have been out over $250,000.  It took almost 3 years to get the money and my parents had to pay the bills until the court case (and hounding the insurance firm after the decision).  Needless to say they almost went under just trying to keep up.  This insurance is the worst.  Every time I see any ad especially with FLo – all I can think is … they are truely taking you to the bank and the flo is towards Progressive!

  • http://www.facebook.com/chip.berry Chip Berry

    I have tried to call the show with the story of the founder of Progressive, Peter B. Lewis, an ultra lib billionaire that spreads his millions around to liberal causes. This would give Glenn more fuel to throw on this fire. Please check out the latest Wikopedia file on him: 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_B._Lewis  $ 15 Million to the ACLU for starters!

    My sympathies to Matt and his family for their loss and the Disgraceful disrespect of the Progressive Insurance Co.!

  • Anonymous

    That is absoluetly pathetic! I am so sorry! I hope you can post that story on a blog somewhere?

  • Anonymous

    Bologne, why is it that you just generalize. What about all the wonderful things that corporation do every day. For instance, McDonalds set up the “Ronald McDonald House, Paul Newman created a company where all profits go directly to the those in need, Microsoft Bill Gates has already spent over a billion dollars helping the needy throughout the world. Glenn Beck just helped raise over 1 million meals for the homeless and helped organize 34,000 people to help with the indigent and the elderly, Bill O’reilly has raised millions and given millions with the wounded warrior project. The list goes on forever. Seriously, this is the ignorant hate mongering of the left. Their ignorance is going to destroy capitalism which has been the only vehicle which has provided billions in aid every year to the needy for food, shelter, water treatment plants etc. What in the hell has government done? They can’t do anything but off the hard sweat and tears of the capitalists.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Arlene-Schroeder/1403085973 Arlene Schroeder

    I remember something similar happened to Babara Mandrell years ago.  She was nearly killed in a wreck, and the one who caused the wreck died, I think.  She was forced to sue the other driver’s estate for the same reasons as this case.  People didn’t understand this, and she was vilified by many of her fans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Morgan/100000253121773 Carol Morgan

     i cannot believe how positively tacky you are to post spam here!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Morgan/100000253121773 Carol Morgan

     go bite yourself!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the well thought out and educated response.
    Your personal attack shows everyone what it means to be a glenn beck cult member.

  • SoThere

    You’re an ignorant fool strtlk. Everyone sees that when you post here. Go clean some toilet, Phony Soldier. You’re doing so much for us Conservatives. LMAO

  • The Craig Machine

     Attention readers of Disqus:

    There is a group of bullies on here that are trolls. They are led by two
    deceitful liars named CJ aka One Man Army aka Armand1 aka So There and
    Sandie aka Rupai aka Vern aka Odin aka V4Velveta aka VendicatorX. They
    employ the same tactics as the left wing trolls.

    They believe that they are justified in using these tactics because they
    are self righteous hypocrites. They will lie and smear anybody that
    they have petty disagreements with. As a former member of their group, I
    know this and is why I quit when I saw behind their masks.

    Each one posts to themselves and likes their own comments using their
    different socks to show fake support for their lies. So There will go
    back afterwards to edit his posts to make himself sound wittier than
    what the post originally was. When you edit your post, it doesn’t send a
    Disqus email to the person to let them know it has changed so it is a
    very dishonest to do so.

     

    I am willing to debate anyone of them on the merits of Conservatism but
    they wont because it would prove them as liars. They know I am more
    Constitutional sound and rooted in the Founders of this Great Country
    then they are. I also believe in truth which is where the conflict lies
    with these liars. They have not offered one shred of evidence that I am a
    leftist troll nor can they. All they do is deflect and keep spreading
    their self serving propaganda.

    I know these people from the inside and they are not good people. They
    are sick in the head who believe the ends justifies the means. Thought everyone should be aware of who they really are since they are completely out of control now.

  • Anonymous

    McDonalds is your example. McDonald is a terrible company, sure the Ronald McDonald house is good thing. But how that company runs and the destruction that that they do mass producing pink slime meat is terrible. Paul Newman great guy (liberal too go figure). I wouldnt want to live in a non capitalist country. I’m just pointing out that greed is evil and unfortunately is the thing that feed a lot of companies

  • Anonymous

    Please Ryan, you sound like you are on something.

  • Anonymous

    LOL  Leftist trolls like you are always amusing with how poorly you deflect your inadequacies on others.  I AM justified in the tactics I use because the tactics I use, unlike the tactics of the left, are ACTUAL HONEST tactics based on COLD HARD DOCUMENTED FACTS.  I do NOT lie.  I have yet to actually lie on this site.  Though I have pointed out the outright lies from the idiot liberal trolls.  Their outright lies are easily disproven by just a few minutes of actual research.  The ONLY people I smear are those who smear others first.  Like strtlk, FineTapestry, Victory, and now maybe you, lol.

    By the way, I go by ONE name.  It’s the same name I go by in the vast majority of ALL of my online activity.  The ONLY reason I would NOT go by the name One_Man_Army is if that name was already taken when I signed up to whatever that site may be.  On Yahoo I go by One_Man_Army.  On IMDB I go by One_Man_Army.  I chose that username, and I stick by that username.  Idiots like you making your baseless, ignorant, arrogant, and TOTALLY idiotic claims will NOT change that fact, hypocrite.

    By the way, I find it hilarious that you call others hypocrites when it is YOU and not those you smear who is ACTUALLY the self righteous hypocrite.

    Let me finish with this.

    Attention readers of Disqus:

    This Craig Machine is an idiot.  He likes to deflect his inadequacies onto others.  He is too simple minded to know what hypocrisy really means.  He’s just a buffoon who likes to spread slanderous lies and libel about others.  The truth he believes in is nothing but his own grand delusion.  He wouldn’t know the truth or facts if it were right in front of his face.

    Guess that should have come first, lol.

    Anyway, one more thing.  If you want to debate me, One_Man_Army, on the merits of conservatism, go right ahead.  I will wipe the floor with you.  If you want to debate me, One_Man_Army, on the Constitution and the Founding Fathers of this great country, feel free.  I will knock you out there as well, figuratively speaking of course.  I will NOT speak for CJ, Armand1, So There, Sandie, Rupai, Vern, Odin, V4Velveta, VendicatorX, or any other TRUE CONSERVATIVE believer on this website or any other.  They are NOT me and they actually can speak for themselves because they actually have their own minds.  I am One_Man_Army and I ONLY go by One_Man_Army.  I have gone by NO OTHER name since signing up to this site, and I absolutely REFUSE to go by any other name.  It was the name I chose, and unlike cowards like you, I stick by my choices.  Now, with that being said, as I said, feel free to debate me on the merits of conservatism, the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers of this great country.  I will, of course, wipe the floor with you.  I’ve studied the Constitution and our Founding Fathers enough to know what they actually stand for.

  • The Craig Machine

    Is there some reason you can’t respond to me with the same sock CJ? Your not fooling anyone, this sad attempt to try to cover you deceit isn’t working. You are a proven habitual liar.

    The problem with your argument is that I am a real Conservative. If you are too than we should be able to find common ground. But you and you gang of jagaloons have never been interested in that. All of you have claimed is that I a leftist troll because I don’t go along with your “group think”. If you are a man of reason and intellect then you should admonish you group for making outlandish claims with no facts to back them up. Since you are CJ, I know that you are none of these and will never do it.

    If you are going to make those claims, I am waiting for your facts to prove I am a leftist troll and not Constitutionally grounded. I’m not the one voting for the Progressive RINO Romney, that would be you people.

    Time for bed CJ.

  • Anonymous

    LOL You might want to ACTUALLY ADDRESS CJ with your idiotic rhetoric there, imbecile. I am NOT CJ. I am One_Man_Army. I am ONLY One_Man_Army and I will ONLY go by One_Man_Army. I am NOT CJ. I have NEVER spoken with his name, nor will I ever do so. The ONLY claims I have EVER made on this site I have ALWAYS been able to back up with ACTUAL DOCUMENTED and RECORDED records. The FACT that you are using leftist troll tactics right now proves you to be NOTHING but a leftist troll, lol. The fact that you are attacking those who are ACTUALLY USING THE WORDS OF OUR CONSTITUTION proves you are NOT Constitutionally grounded.

    I’ll say it again, if you want to debate me on the merits of conservatism, the Constitution, or the Founding Fathers of this great country, go right ahead. Address me for who I ACTUALLY am in doing so, though. If you address me as someone else who I flat out REFUSE to speak for without their expressed permission, as you just did in your imbecilic post here, I will simply ignore you for the fool you prove yourself to be. You may not be voting for the Progressive RINO Romney. But you most assuredly are voting for the Liberal Progressive bordering on Marxist Communist Barrack Obama. Me, I’d rather have the best option available right now. And that, my imbecilic idiot, is Romney.

    Now, look at my sig, ignoramus. It is NOT CJ. It is NOT So There. It is NOT anyone BUT One_Man_Army. If I speak for anybody else, I will ONLY do so with their expressed permission and will ONLY do so in the name I chose. Unlike idiots like you, I do NOT hide behind sock puppets. I have ONE account and I use ONLY that ONE account. That is a RECORDED FACT no doubt recorded by this site. We can NEVER find common ground simply for the fact that you could NEVER be a real Conservative. You see, NO real conservative would make such idiotic claims you do and NO real conservatives would attack other PROVEN conservatives like SoThere, Sandie and others you maliciously LIBELED here. You talk about a gang of jagaloons. Look no further than the likes of you and your friends strtlk, FineTapestry, Victory, and too many others to name who have done NOTHING but smear those of TRUE conservative standing.

    Now, hypocrite, sit down, shut up, and get a clue before responding back. If you respond back wanting a real HONEST debate, the key word being HONEST, do not address me as somebody else. For I go by One_Man_Army. If you want an honest debate with CJ, address CJ. If you REALLY want a TRUTHFUL debate, do NOT continue your TOTALLY baseless claims. If you want any true conservative to believe you to be a true conservative, you need to get rid of the LIBERAL tactics you are using. You do realize that the tactics you are using are LIBERAL in nature, don’t you? Or are you really that stupid? It’s been said that liberalism is a mental disease. Guess you are evidence of that, lol.

  • The Craig Machine

    You still have offered nothing to support you and you groups claims that I am a leftist troll and not a conservative. Only more of your personal attacks. You started this so quit your lying and get lost.

    Your writing style is slipping because you are using the phrases that you use in other socks, CJ.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Okay. Let me state the FACTs from my previous post that flat out PROVE you to be a leftist troll. Here is the FACT, so pay attention. The tactics you are using are ONLY those of leftist trolls. Thus, you MUST be a leftist troll. Doesn’t get any simpler than that, lol.

    Now, how about the DOCUMENTED FACT that I am NOT CJ. Look no further than the signature I use, buffoon. I have NEVER EVER ONCE gone by the name CJ. I have ONLY EVER gone by One_Man_Army in ALL of my dealings with this site. That is actually a DOCUMENTED FACT DOCUMENTED by Disqus themselves, lol. Seriously. Your claims there are yet another LEFTIST TROLL tactic that also prove you to be a leftist troll. Not a personal attack whatsoever. It’s using ACTUAL FACTS to prove you to be EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE PROVING YOURSELF TO BE WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO USE LEFTIST TROLL TACTICS. When you act like a leftist troll, which is the ONLY thing YOU have actually done so far, you MUST be a leftist troll. You know the saying, “If it looks like a duck…” don’t you? It holds true even in this case. Have fun in your grand delusion, though.

  • The Craig Machine

    By your own standards your group falls under your definition of a leftist troll. You can say you are not CJ all you want but that doesn’t prove anything. You are spreading the same lies and misinformation out there as him.

    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. I am not the one using leftist tactics so you have proven yourself a liar once again CJ.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Nope. By my standards I fall under the definition of a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, lol. You see. Unlike you, I actually DON’T utilize leftist troll tactics. YOU have.

    Saying that I am NOT CJ proves that I am NOT CJ, lol. Also, I have spread NO lies or misinformation whatsoever. I have, however, disproven the outright lies of many idiot liberals on this site using ACTUAL DOCUMENTED evidence and COLD HARD facts.

    You ARE using leftist tactics. The ONLY tactics you are using are leftist tactics, so I am NOT lying at all, leftist troll.

    By the way, I will tell you one more time. I am NOT CJ. I have NEVER been CJ. I am One_Man_Army and I have posted ONLY under One_Man_Army. The name I post under is DOCUMENTED under Disqus, for crying out loud. I’m sure Disqus keeps some very good records, and they will tell you that CJ and One_Man_Army are NOT one and the same. So, I will repeat what you said. “Your hypocrisy knows no bound.” I am NOT CJ so you, as usual, are proving YOURSELF to be a lying leftist troll once again. lol At least when I making that statement, it is actually a DOCUMENTED FACT because you DOCUMENTED your own baseless lie by keep claiming I am CJ. That is a LIE fabricated by YOU, you know. LOL

    Okay. I’ll give you one last chance to prove to me that you actually have a working brain cell. If you want to address me, address One_Man_Army. Do NOT address CJ. Address the ONE name I go by One_Man_Army. Address One_Man_Army with what you claim to be lies that I, One_Man_Army, have made. NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING I’ve stated so far is anything remotely close to being considered a lie when you yourself are proving EVERY SINGLE ONE of my statements true with EVERY SINGLE ONE of your words and actions. You YOURSELF are proving EVERY SINGLE ONE of my claims. Sad how you don’t even realize that, lol. Now, address me as One_Man_Army or forever be labeled the ignorant buffoon you have proven yourself to be.

  • The Craig Machine

    You can repeat your lies all you want but that doesn’t make it true. Try listening for a change and you might learn something.

    By your own standards your group falls under your definition of a leftist troll. You can say you are not CJ all you want but that doesn’t prove anything. You are spreading the same lies and misinformation out there as him.

    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. I am not the one using leftist tactics so you have proven yourself a liar once again CJ.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Seriously? Here is what you just said right here in this statement. “You can repeat your lies all you want but that doesn’t make it true.” After that, you immediately repeat YOUR outright that you CANNOT even back up, lol. Do you seriously not even realize that? You immediately back up such a statement with an easily disprovable lie. Now me, I’ve ALWAYS been able to back up what I say with ACTUAL FACTS. Seriously, you just proved your utter hypocrisy here. It makes me laugh. I’ll give you what all the other liberal trash here deserve.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I mean, do you REALLY not see the utter hypocrisy in your post here? It’s just ridiculous. Guess I did my job in pointing out the fool that you really are. Of course, I wasn’t the first. SoThere and Sandie beat me to it. They gave you a good beat down. I just helped to clean up the scraps, lol.

  • The Craig Machine

    CJ you have yet to back up anything, You are a habitual liar than is incapable of telling the truth. You keep trying to say you opinions are facts. That shows what a lying imbecile you really are.

    The only thing you have pointed out is that you are a lying hypocritical snake that doesn’t hold himself or anybody else in his group accountable. You are intellectually dishonest and a disgrace.

    Maybe you should talk to your doctors about the medication you are on, it is obviously affecting your brain patterns.

  • Anonymous

    CJ, feel free in joining me when I give this imbecile this.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    LOL

    SoThere, Sandie I may be late to this particular party but I found some enjoyment with your comments to this hypocritical fool.

  • The Craig Machine

    Thank you for proving my facts again by showing everyone you talk to your other socks. You are habitual liar who uses the tactics of the left to smear anybody you disagree with in the slightest. Go back to your cave at TFC and join the rest of your troll clan, CJ.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Keep telling yourself that, hypocrite. Only thing that was proven was the YOU are a lying hypocrite who uses liberal tactics to smear others YOU disagree with, lol. You even used the same tired old LIBERAL routines. Ridiculous, really. Where do you maroons come from? Anyway, it’s been fun, but I’d say you’ve just been proven the disgrace you are, yet again. You really ought to learn that the TRUTH lives here. You really ought to learn that your outright lying just will NOT cut it, lol. Quit lying and maybe, just maybe, you will actually see the light. Until then, good bye. I’m not really holding any hope out for you and your liberal tactics anyway. Please, keep your lies and grand delusions to yourself. Those of us REAL CONSERVATIVES here don’t really want to listen to the lies of a lying delusional liberal.

  • The Craig Machine

    CJ, the only people that have been lying here is you. It’s funny that you have no problems with your “friends” throwing your other “friend” Ryan under the bus. The reason you have no problems with it is because you are the one that has been doing it all this time, CJ. You are a disgusting person, have you no shame?

    Goodbye? I don’t think so. All that means is your going to switch socks again like the snake you really are. This is the third time you and your little band of delusional outcasts have deliberately attacked me with personal insults with nothing to back them. You are what is wrong with this country because you have no ethics or principles. You only claim you do and toss them aside at your earliest convenience. Get lost CJ, you have become quite tiresome with your lies and attempts at re-writing history.

  • Anonymous

    Complaining about people throwing others under the bus while doing the same yourself is sheer hypocrisy. You started this display of betrayal so your continuation of it is a more egregious and morally offensive than the people you are attempting to trash.

    The sheer repugnance of your actions speak volumes about your character, or more accurately put the lack of it. This puts on display the fact that all your shrieking about friends is just a load of fertilizer. You have to be a friend to have a friend, and you don’t know how to be a friend, do you? People who have a bond and who oppose the actions of other people are not necessarily bad, nor are their actions. Sometimes people who see someone like Victor, or now, YOU doing vile and reprehensible acts need to be confronted with just how wrong their actions are, and you, sir, crossed the line with this recent cascade of hypocrisy and as you put it, “throwing your friends under the bus”.

    You are proving to be a very selfish and untrustworthy individual, and you have no right to complain about anyone else, especially when you feign friendship in order to use the information exchanged between friends to betray the trust they placed in you. There are few things lower than that.

    You are also doing a fair amount of misrepresenting yourself, either that or you did so earlier when you infiltrated our group. So you can take your selfish lying hypocritical butt down the road. You’ve proven you are not worthy of anyone’s trust or friendship, so you are done, sonny.

  • Anonymous

    You scream about being told to get out, and then you do the same thing yourself! Hypocrite!

  • Anonymous

    Readers, we have a wiener!

  • Anonymous

    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  • Guest

    Your Mt.Clay roots are showing.

  • SoThere

    Crsaig’s a bitter little man. He changes his ID over and over and then trolls until he gets a response to his nonsense. Then he threatens you and starts with his hate posts.

    Here are the first posts that set this off:Nonsense. LMAO Obama worships the Political Machine and hears voices in his head from Georgy Schwartz.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 1 hour ago
    Sandie, you are still a ignorant drunken whore. I am sorry if the truth hurts.

    on Obama’s hard hitting interview on… Entertainment Tonight? 1 hour ago
    Attention readers of Disqus:

    There is a group of bullies on here that are trolls. They are led by two
    deceitful liars named CJ aka One Man Army aka Armand1 aka So There and
    Sandie aka Rupai aka Vern aka Odin aka V4Velveta aka VendicatorX. They
    employ the same tactics as the left wing trolls.

    They believe that they are justified in using these tactics because they
    are self righteous hypocrites. They will lie and smear anybody that
    they have petty disagreements with. As a former member of their group, I
    know this and is why I quit when I saw behind their masks.

    Each one posts to themselves and likes their own comments using their
    different socks to show fake support for their lies. So There will go
    back afterwards to edit his posts to make himself sound wittier than
    what the post originally was. When you edit your post, it doesn’t send a
    Disqus email to the person to let them know it has changed so it is a
    very dishonest to do so.

    I am willing to debate anyone of them on the merits of Conservatism but
    they wont because it would prove them as liars. They know I am more
    Constitutional sound and rooted in the Founders of this Great Country
    then they are. I also believe in truth which is where the conflict lies
    with these liars. They have not offered one shred of evidence that I am a
    leftist troll nor can they. All they do is deflect and keep spreading
    their self serving propaganda.

    I know these people from the inside and they are not good people. They
    are sick in the head who believe the ends justifies the means. Thought everyone should be aware of who they really are since they are completely out of control now.

    on B.S. of A.’s Matt Fisher discusses his sister and the viral story of his family’s battle with Progressive Insurance 1 hour ago
    Attention readers of Disqus:

    There is a group of bullies on here that are trolls. They are led by two
    deceitful liars named CJ aka One Man Army aka Armand1 aka So There and
    Sandie aka Rupai aka Vern aka Odin aka V4Velveta aka VendicatorX. They
    employ the same tactics as the left wing trolls.

    They believe that they are justified in using these tactics because they
    are self righteous hypocrites. They will lie and smear anybody that
    they have petty disagreements with. As a former member of their group, I
    know this and is why I quit when I saw behind their masks.

    Each one posts to themselves and likes their own comments using their
    different socks to show fake support for their lies. So There will go
    back afterwards to edit his posts to make himself sound wittier than
    what the post originally was. When you edit your post, it doesn’t send a
    Disqus email to the person to let them know it has changed so it is a
    very dishonest to do so.

    I am willing to debate anyone of them on the merits of Conservatism but
    they wont because it would prove them as liars. They know I am more
    Constitutional sound and rooted in the Founders of this Great Country
    then they are. I also believe in truth which is where the conflict lies
    with these liars. They have not offered one shred of evidence that I am a
    leftist troll nor can they. All they do is deflect and keep spreading
    their self serving propaganda.

    I know these people from the inside and they are not good people. They
    are sick in the head who believe the ends justifies the means. Thought everyone should be aware of who they really are since they are completely out of control now.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 1 hour ago
    Attention readers of Disqus:

    There is a group of bullies on here that are trolls. They are led by two deceitful liars named CJ aka One Man Army aka Armand1 aka So There and Sandie aka Rupai aka Vern aka Odin aka V4Velveta aka VendicatorX. They employ the same tactics as the left wing trolls.

    They believe that they are justified in using these tactics because they are self righteous hypocrites. They will lie and smear anybody that they have petty disagreements with. As a former member of their group, I know this and is why I quit when I saw behind their masks.

    Each one posts to themselves and likes their own comments using their different socks to show fake support for their lies. So There will go back afterwards to edit his posts to make himself sound wittier than what the post originally was. When you edit your post, it doesn’t send a Disqus email to the person to let them know it has changed so it is a very dishonest to do so.

    I am willing to debate anyone of them on the merits of Conservatism but they wont because it would prove them as liars. They know I am more Constitutional sound and rooted in the Founders of this Great Country then they are. I also believe in truth which is where the conflict lies with these liars. They have not offered one shred of evidence that I am a leftist troll nor can they. All they do is deflect and keep spreading their self serving propaganda.

    I know these people from the inside and they are not good people. They are sick in the head who believe the ends justifies the means. Thought everyone should be aware of who they really are since they are completely out of control now.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 2 hours ago
    To the readers of Disqus:

    I don’t need people to come to my aid like this gang does. These losers can’t handle me one on one so they attack me with their gang of geriatric misfit bullies. Once again shows you their true character.

    CJ/So What/Armand1/One Man Army has nothing to say other that to spread his worthless lies. All he and the rest of them can post is the same nonsense over and over. This is the third time they have followed me and attacked with lies. They know I am not a leftist but chose to propagate this lie for their own selfish reasons. They are mad and jealous because I left their pathetic group and are doing this out of spite. This group is filled with miserable excuses for human being.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    Excuse me, it is your group that creates multiple ID’s to post to yourselves and like their own comments.

    You are deceitful hypocrites of the worst kind. You can lie to me all you want but deep down you know it’s the truth.

    CJ aka So What aka Armand1 aka One Man Army and Sandie aka V4Velveta aka Rudapi aka Vern aka Odin are two despicable people. In fact, anybody that is still part of your group is.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    Still deleting your posts I see, typical of a coward trying to hide. I can only imagine this is what you do in real life? Hit somebody when they are not looking and then run back to hide?

    You people are disgusting. When is the last time you actually stepped back to take a look at yourselves?

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    In order to win, you have to post something of merit, not just pop up under a new sock to attack me.

    You people don’t have a clue about reality do you? Another reason I left your pathetic group.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    Egos? Your group of geriatric misfits is full of it. That’s why I couldn’t stand to be around you people anymore along with being deceitful liars void of any real ideas.

    Hell, I must be really good if I am all that you people claim I am and was invited into your group or you are really dumb. Since I am not anything you say, that would make your group the bitter deceitful liars trying to discredit me.

    Go back to your hole that you call TFC.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    Which lying sock are you now? Your statement proves either you are lying or a idiot. Knowing that you are one of the jagaloons from TFC I will say both.

    You people are the idiots that never know when to back off. You people escalate these situations into meltdown and still can’t figure out why nobody can stand you. Your group of geriatric misfits is worse than the left wing trolls.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 3 hours ago
    Original post:

    “Maybe in your dreams. LMAO”

    His original post was simply:

    “Nonsense, LMAO”

    The last time So What attacked me, he started calling me Ryan and insulted him when Ryan thought they were friends. Then went back afterwards and deleted them so Ryan wouldn’t seem them. Sad thing is, Ryan thinks CJ aka So What aka One Man Army aka Armand1 is his friend still. With friends like that who needs enemies?

    Of course you already knew all this or did you conveniently forget, again?

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 4 hours ago
    Hitting the bottle again I see Sandie (Seriously). What happened to all of your friends Sandie? Most of them have left you because they see you now for a lying deceitful alcoholic snake. The only “friends” you have left are the lying snakes like you or people that are to ignorant to see you for what you really are.

    Go back to your drunken stupor and stop posting your worthless drivel. You people think you can attack me with relentless lies and there won’t be consequences? That shows how stupid and conceited you people really are.

    Some of Sandie’s lying socks”

    V4Velveta
    Rudapi
    Odin

    Keep up your crap Sandie, because I have more. You can blame me all you want, but the fault lies with your group of mental midgets that attacked me again without provocation. Now keep circling the wagons around your corrupt group and attack me with more of your lies. You know damn well that I am more Conservative and Constitutionally sound than your RINO, CINO ass could ever hope to be. You are the ones lying their asses off trying to discredit me and it is obvious.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 4 hours ago
    Attention everybody on Disqus:

    So What aka One Man Army aka CJ aka Armand1 (some not all of his socks) is trying to justify his deceitful actions. The edit button is for correcting grammar mistakes not adding to a conversation after the fact. If you have something to add, start a new post or make it clear it was a afterthought. Going back and adding to a post to make oneself seem witty is dishonest. Going back and liking your own comments with different socks is also deceitful which they all do in this group.

    So What aka One Man Army aka CJ aka Armand1 is intellectual dishonest and a snake, just like his entire group of mental midgets. They are nothing more than internet bullies trying to intimidate people they disagree with.

    I was a part of their group for a short time until I realized what a bunch of liars they all are. Yes I was a part of their group and now look at all the lies they try to discredit me with. They incorporate the same tactics as the Left by lying, smearing, and deceit rather than post on the merits. They believe the ends justify the means. This is how radicalism is introduced into groups unless it is stood up to and denounced.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 16 hours ago
    Bill Tilghman, Doodadio or Captain America (Whatever sock you are going by) you are a little coward that posts then deletes.

    If you want me to “shut the hell up” then why are you now following me to listen to my words?

    You really are not that bright are you? God save the Republic if people like you are on the right.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 16 hours ago
    You are supposed to be Captain America and you hide after making a inflammatory comment? Please quit disgracing Captain America and get a different Avatar and ID. Why don’t you go back your old sock of Bill Tilghman. Some patriot you are.

    You refused to heed my warning because you people are self-righteous hypocrites that don’t know when to stop. You would think when Victor got into TFC you people would have gotten a clue then. So There aka Armand1, aka One Man Army (to name a few) has already gone back to alter his posts after the fact so it doesn’t surprise me that you would do a hit and run now. Deleting your name isn’t fooling anyone and is one of those dimwitted antics I talked about in the previous post.

    Now what makes So What so bad is that he has conversations with himself using all his different socks. Trying to bolster the perception that more people agree with him than actually do. Now if that isn’t unethical enough, how about when he threw Ryan under the bus to try and get at me? A person who still thinks he is his friend. Nice guy you hang out with. Birds of feather?

    If you want to get insulting about names, Doodadio? Really? Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Are you really this ignorant or are you just deceitful like your unethical hero So What?

    Where do you come up with the crap you write? It is utter nonsense (To borrow a phrase from your Guru So What). When did I ever “cite” a manifesto? I never have because I am rooted firmly in the Constitution. You also have to be rooted in the truth which you are very sadly lacking along with ethics.

    Your little group is no better than the left wing trolls you pretend to fight everyday in a sad attempt to add meaning to your pathetic lives. Do everyone a favor and get a life you intellectual dishonest simp.

    If personal insults are all you have, I have plenty more information on you people and I haven’t even touched Sandie the drama queen yet. Alas, you people are incapable of learning from your past mistakes so I await you next idiotic rant with no facts to back up your assertions.

    Nice to tell me to “shut the hell up”, a touch of fascism in you I see. Also a sign that you lost the argument.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 17 hours ago
    What do you know? So What has been a busy little cockroach scurrying around changing his posts after the fact trying to be witty.

    Original post:

    “Maybe in your dreams. LMAO”

    You really are a piece of human excrement. You have no honor or ethics. You are a disgrace just like you group of internet thugs.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 17 hours ago
    Attention readers, So There has shown his intellectual dishonesty by altering his posts…….AGAIN!

    His original post was simply:

    “Nonsense, LMAO”

    This is why I don’t bother having discussions with him any longer. He is no better than Strtlk or Victor.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 18 hours ago
    I am going to reply to all you spam posts to me in one reply, ok?

    You stated quite clearly that you are a close minded partisan hack that goes along with his wild pack of dogs without ever questioning. Your “leaders” So There and Sandie (I know it’s a oxymoron but it is what it is) can’t hack it on their own so now in comes you to attack for them (and just as miserably if I may add).

    It was your little band of miscreants that has attacked me every time. FACT, So What has gone back and altered his posts to me and lied to everybody in your group as to why he attacked me. The facts don’t match his hot air. If you want I can get real specific on who he threw under the bus and how he went back afterwards to cover his tracks. Remember, he didn’t do it once or twice but a few times so there is no excuses for it. Also, if you would like to talk about lying socks, I would be more than happy to discuss all of your groups lying socks. I will leave that up to you guys. In other words, quit your sanctimonious BS.

    If you have something to say to me in the future, it better be on substance not a bunch of rhetoric coming from a pack of wild jagaloons that don’t know their a$$ from a hole in the ground. If not, I will hound everyone in your group like you do everybody that you “perceive” to disagree with. If you can’t figure out who I am then none of you have any business doing what you are doing on here.

    This fell on deaf ears last time but like a fool I’ll keep trying:

    “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he becomes the monster” Friedrich Nietzsche

    Now go converse with your little group before replying back because your next post will have serious consequences for everyone in it. I am not going to tolerate your group of internet thugs with your dimwitted antics any longer.

    Next move is yours, I’m waiting.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 23 hours ago
    Sandie, you have proven time and time again how ignorant you are of the facts. If that sounds like Victor it’s only because he happens to be correct in this case.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god 23 hours ago
    Since you were the one that went back and edited your posts afterwards, I would say the evidence is quite compelling that you lost. Furthermore you threw a person under the bus (who was supposed to be your friend) to get at me.

    Resorting to the tactics of Victor and the left tells me all I need to know about you. Since you have already proven yourself intellectually dishonest, there is no reason to have any further discussions with you.

    Ps, There are people that do remember the FACTS, so don’t dig a deeper hole by denying it.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god yesterday
    Seeing the last time we did this you got you ass handed to you, I guess you never will learn.

    on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god yesterday
    You want to do this again?

    My first post to Craig:

  • SoThere

    I don’t debate with fools One-Man-Army. He proved to be a bitter little man from his first post to me and then he escalated to a full blown fool from there.

  • SoThere

    He thinks people are following him around but in actuality, he’s been trolling for one of us to post to him. Just look at his first response to me “on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god yesterday
    You want to do this again?”

    then he followed up with:

    ” on Hanuman the undefeated demon fighting monkey god yesterday
    Seeing the last time we did this you got you ass handed to you, I guess you never will learn.”

    Then he started to get stupid and nasty and he escalated it to where it is now.

    He’s a bitter little man who’s lonely.

  • Anonymous

    He’s a bit to lonely if you ask me. To accuse me of something he does himself is hypocrisy of the highest order, lol. He claims to be a true conservative. He’s as conservative as strtlk and Vicky, lol. Oh well. You and Sandie got to him before I even knew of him. Where do they keep coming from? It’s as if they simply choose to ignore reality.

  • SoThere

    He’s a hypocrite. He started this mess and it’s there for everyone to see.

    Yes, he’s a lonely little twit posting to someone who’s never posted on this site, CJ.

    Let him stew in his immorality and lies until he’s tender fodder for the sane. He’s done.

    I feel sorry for him and what he’s become.

    LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Well, I know I’ve never posted as CJ and never will, lol. As if I have reason to post under a name other than the one I chose for this site. I have neither the time nor the energy to make sock puppet accounts just to point out someone’s utter hypocrisy. It just wouldn’t make sense. Oh well. Guess these idiots just don’t know when to actually give in, lol.

  • SoThere

    Right on.

    Craig’s pulled this crap before. He keeps changing his ID and when someone he recognizes posts to him he goes off on his bitter tangent. How many socks does he have? Who knows? He’s the last one to pull that crap. He gets off thinking he has some kind of secret information on people. I don’t mind his sleezy rhetoric and whining, after all, he is what he is.

    This exchange was started the exact same way the last one did.

  • Sandie

    I know who Craig is

  • Anonymous

    So There,

    Last  night Craig crossed a line with me.  I had been tolerant of his behavior as he and I were had been part of a new web-site.  I first noticed his paranoia about 2 weeks ago, whereby he perceives others as being out to get him and insult him.  He then attacks in the most vulgar manner possible, and believes that he is making rational arguments?

    Granted, there may be more to this than I know of, but it seems as if whatever his position is on whatever topic, he’s in the minority, blaming it all on everyone else.  It must be a conspiracy?

    Maybe Craig actually is suffering from a psychological illness? (I do not say that lightly as I am bi-polar) I don’t know, but I am sick of Craig and intend to publicly humiliate him.  I intend to point out how weak and silly his argumentation skills are, along with the content of his argument completely lacking in substance.  EVERY TIME, ANY TOPIC, he sounds irrational and incoherent, even if I see some merit in the issue, he manages to talk me or anyone else right out of supporting him.

    CRAIG became mad at me when I wrote a brief piece referring to people/delegates who refuse to vote or intend to vote “third party” as “political conscientious objectors.”  He took grievous offense to what was merely a philosophical musing.  Moreover, the term I coined, is accurate.  It is up to him and his compatriots to be either heroes or pariahs?

    Anyway, as you post more than I, would you please let me know if Craig pulls a name change.  Craig needs a lesson in social graces along with argumentation and debate. I intend to provide such…

    Thanks

    (Note: if you have my address, feel free to send me a letter)

  • SoThere

    Craig is a new Sock for him. I couldn’t of known who he was but he insists that I was following him around to attack him.

    He did this before when I posted to his other new Sock.

    Both posts were simple and non judgmental. This last time I was reading his constant attacks on Mitt Romney and how he hated the Mormon religion to which I replied “Nonsense. LMAO Obama worships the Political Machine and hears voices in his head from Georgy Schwartz.”

    The time before I just posted “Nonsense” to one of his ridiculous rants.

    I do believe he has a problem. Good luck in dealing with the bitter little man.

  • Anonymous

    Stop whinning!

  • Anonymous

    Big difference between you and me. I don’t care if you like McDonalds food or you do like their food. What is important is that you have a free choice on whether or not you want to eat there and you do. McDonalds also sells nutritious foods, but the majority of people who go to McDonalds did not go their to select their nutritious foods, they went their for all the salty stuff. Again, that is their choice. My next point, I could care less if a capitalist is a liberal or not. YOu really think that only liberals give or are decent people. Did you know that more conservatives give to AIDS research than liberals. My God you are obtuse. Seriously, we were speaking about capitalism. You want to pretend that all capitalist are bad people. Unfortuantely, that is what liberal teachers teach. It is unfortunate that our youth buy into this bologne. Do some research on the net to find out how much American capitalist companies give to charitable events. Look up American Express. Eastman Kodak was absolutely amazing in its day, but they are close to bankruptcy. The companies and individuals who give in this country are countless. The reason they are able to give is because they are capitalists. We either run a business or work or a capitalist business. If you work for a government agency then you are most likely paid by the taxes paid by capitalists. Americans are wonderful people who give. Again, I could care less what religious affiliation they belong to or what political party. The point is that they do give. Capitalism works on the principle of greed. We honestly go into business wanting to make a profit for ourselves. So what? Because we can build wealth for ourselves and our families we work hard and produce. Yes, there is no doubt that some companies like PROGRESSIVE take advantage of people, but in a true capitalistic society, they will go out of business. IBM was ripping off its customers and when everyone went to microsoft they did a 180 degree change and started to compete again.Xerox was charging their customers outrageous sums to move their copiers when Kodak entered the high end market and changed all that. Kodak nearly put Xerox out of business, but Xerox dropped all its fees and paid millions to revamp their image and they came roaring back. Now, how does communism work? How does facism work? How does socialism work? You want to see greed, here is where you need to investigate. Governmenyt is not the answer. The government is run by a few individuals and they are corrupt. We have thugs in the White House, dishonorable men. The real issue is there is no such thing as a democrat party, it is now better called the domocratic socialist party or communist party.

  • The Craig Machine

    Only when you stop lying, RINO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000180400822 Brandon Schattschneider

    Well after hearing this I told myself I needed to change who I had my insurance threw. Unfortunately I have a trucking policy. In fact I have two. One threw the company who I am leased to and the other I hold on my own. There are not many companies who offer this kind of policy. Regardless I have progressive insurance. I last Friday was in my first accident in nine years. I was helping a farmer who is a friend of mine with hay. I was coming down the road with another truck in front of me. He went over a hill and as I followed over the top of it a lady had pulled out in front of me. She had stopped in the middle of the road to turn left. Due to fresh oily pavement and heavy rain the road was slick. I could not stop in time. Now progressive is telling me that because I was helping a friend in their eyes I was under dispatch and they will not cover it under my policy. Since I was helping a friend and it was his hay he somehow is responsible and must pay rather than progressive doing what my policy states and what I pay them a lot of hard earned money for. Very very disgusted with this greedy no good company    

  • Anonymous

    Could he be another one of strtlk’s socks, lol?

  • SoThere

    No, you know him as “No Bones”.

  • Anonymous

    Progressive has shown the poorist business practice.  For now all those with auto insurance should ask your agents if your insurance company would ever take the other drivers side against you in court.  If yes then choose a different company.  Progressive should admit it’s mistake and change their procedures and then prove it to the customer base.  They could have stayed quiet in court and said no comment.  This is legal and would have been the right and legal thing to do.

  • Anonymous

    Demand is what feeds companies …. go back to school ..