Ex-Marine held without charge over Facebook posts is finally released

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In a bizarre and scary story a 26 year old former Marine, Brandon Raub, was detained and held despite no charges against him. The ordeal ended up lasting about a week before a judge ordered his release earlier today.

The Blaze explains:

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia’s Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Police – acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional – took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

“Now let me make it clear,” Glenn said. “I haven’t read the entire Facebook posts or anything.  From what I’ve seen with this guy, I don’t agree with him.  He’s a 9/11 Truther, but you know what?  Just because I don’t agree with him doesn’t mean I don’t stand up for him.  Just because he believes something that I think is crazy doesn’t mean that I don’t stand up for his right to say it.  He apparently said sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.  Okay, is that smart?  No, that’s really colossally stupid.  Could it be metaphorical?  Yes.  Could it be a long string of alarming threats?  Yes.  We don’t know.”

“Here’s what we do know, and the media is not showing you a massive governmental shark bump,” Glenn said.

Earlier in the show, Glenn had discussed how before sharks attack, they bump their prey to test for any defenses and agressiveness.

” The police have decided to act under state law that allows emergency temporary psychiatric commitments on the recommendation of a health professional.  Whew.  Look out, gang.  This guy has not been charged with a crime.  Forget whatever this guy was saying on Facebook.  If he was making threats, fine.  Give the guy a call, knock on his door, pay him a visit.  Chat with him.  Do it the right way.  Get a warrant.  But to detain him for months at a time to undergo psychiatric evaluations, that is 1984.  That is the former Soviet Union.  That is much scarier than anything anybody could have possibly posted on Facebook.  No Miranda rights, no warrant, no charges.  In America.”

Number 39 on the 1963 list of Communist goals is dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose your Communist goals,” he added.

“Where is anyone that complained about warrantless wiretaps?  Where are they?  Where are the people on the left and the right?  Where are the Republicans and the Democrats?  This is un‑American.  This is a shark bump.  Can we get away with it and no one say a word?  The answer so far is yes.  I do not agree with this guy.  I do not like what he posted on Facebook.  I don’t think it’s reasonable.  I don’t think it’s sane.  I don’t think it’s right.  But we still live in the United States of America, and he has a right.  And if you cannot defend the people that you despise, if you cannot defend the people that you disagree with, you’re in trouble because who will defend you?  If this guy is building some bomb, then I want to know about it.  But you should be able to make that case to a judge and get a warrant.  And if you can’t, hands off.  This is exactly what President Obama said:  He didn’t want Americans scooped up in the middle of the night.  That’s exactly what’s happened.  And they’ve put him into a psych facility.”

“My gosh, America, where are we headed?”

Raub was released today after a judge ruled that there was no legal ground for his continued detention.

Last night on Real News, the panel tackled the story as well:


  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Where are we headed: Communism to the extreme.

    What is happening in VA, according to the information I have availible, has some 20k people swept up by the legal system there, a foretaste of what is to come under Obama the god-king if his madness is unchecked with ousting him from office.

    Here is the VA legal code used to detain the marine: http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?000+cod+37.2-808

    The Blaze also has a story on the matter: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/marine-sent-to-psych-ward-over-facebook-posts-now-released-but-who-could-be-next/

    Simply what it means, is that with the ‘unlimited detention of US Citizens” by order of Obama, you just vanish into prison, psych wards, etc. and nothing can be done. This will go beyond the 1984 model and beyond the Soviet Union.

    It will be the beginning of a blood filled nightmare we will never awaken from.

    • greywolfrs

      By order of Obamao? Look into the NDAA, there were plenty of people in Congress who voted for it, including plenty of Republicans.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Look at the way the Democrats make groundless accusations of criminal activities, tax evasion and even murder w/o the least bit of proof and claim he must prove his innocence. Same in the case with this man, while I cannot support many of his own beliefs, to be arrested and detained w/o criminal charges is reprehensible…and downright evil.

    • Anonymous

      This is why annonymity is so important.  It would appear that bloggers, commentators, forum participants are but a breath away from the same plight as this former marine. I think we are seeing the dissolution of our rights and the emergence of a police state.

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Rahm Kota

    This is scary. What gives them the right to do this? Nothing
    but this is nothing new since Obama’s war on the military. Look what they’re
    doing in Ohio saying just because regular people can’t vote a few days after
    the polls are closed they feel that the people who serve that liv in Ohio have
    no right to vote at all because that is treatment that regular people don’t
    have. Hello moron in chief we are at war they can’t just hop into a tank and
    drive to Ohio from overseas. They are trying to shut the military up and
    everyone who will vote against Obama. I know the government is watching so I say
    to you go to hell. 

    • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

      So let’s pressure to get the troops HOME. Obama escalates the wars in the Mideast to help rebuild Muslim countries while Southern boys die over there. Basically we’re training up new muslim armies and it’s the Christian soldiers of America (because liberals don’t enlist especially not in infantry) literally DYING to train our future enemies!

      • http://twitter.com/RubyJoh66902864 Ruby&Johnson

        So it’s only obvious where it’s headed.  Time to get out the sewer cables and rout out Washington DC and rid it of the giant globs of sh(BLEEP)t that’s clogging the system. http://FinancialMayor.blogspot.com

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jw-Appling/100001282155183 J.w. Appling

           Stop stealing others post to make your spam look legit. Your scum. Everyone please flag this spammer.

          • Anonymous

            J.w.,  I’ve been flagging away, but I think they change their

            names and return.  Also called them out on stealing/borrowing

            the comments of the post of others, to no avail.  Guess those

            are the instructions they receive—”borrow” the comment of

            someone else, don’t post one of your own?

      • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Rahm Kota

        Can’t argue with that because I don’t even know what we are doing their now.

    • greywolfrs

      What gives them the right to do this? I’ll tell you, it’s called the NDAA and plenty of Republicans voted for the POS bill also.

      • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Rahm Kota

        That the sad thing we sort of shot ourselves in the foot and wonder why it hurts.

        • greywolfrs

          Very true.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sofia.mcnabb.9 Sofia McNabb

      To: Rahm Kota:  Amen…totally agree with you.  Wake up! Wake up! America!!

  • Anonymous

    America has been flushed.  So it’s only obvious where it’s headed.  Time to get out the sewer cables and rout out Washington DC and rid it of the giant globs of sh(BLEEP)t that’s clogging the system.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YAGJ5LLXWZKUNKTDJDX6ENK6M4 Joe

    “Sharpen my Head: I’m here to sever Axes.”
    Dos’nt that sound better ???

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately , Raub isn’t the first , their have been others but excuses were made and the incidents dropped , there have even been veterans gunned down while inocent of any wrong doing , by mistake .  Really  ?    Beware the overzealeous as much as the tyranical government .  Beware cops that are cops for the wrong reasons .  Beware the ” SEAL  and SPECIAL OPERATIONS ” wannebes on civilian police forces .  Beware organizations like the ” TSA ” and other ” homeland security agencies not serious about or under oath of the constitution regarding American citizens . We patriotic Americans will never be able to relax and enjoy our freedoms until our government eliminates the patriot act , the TSA ,  and get constitutional control of homeland security and stop it from running amuck like it is under Janet Napolitano . 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vinny-Raineri/1685766211 Vinny Raineri

      I disagree with repealing the PATRIOT act- it keeps us safe.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, his statements are a far cry of those made by the black panthers and look who’s being detained! The BPs are a group and mean everything they say wth absolute hatred. If this s the kind of justice America is headed for, the nation WILL perish and its greatness will be erased from the face of the earth. Unfortunately, that is the trend as we see it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vinny-Raineri/1685766211 Vinny Raineri

      There will still be a nation called the USA.

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding me? We have no rights! Government “officials” can storm a home, kill the pets, keep a mother away from her husband and children, naked, in another room. A swat team can move on a home, any home. There is NO reason you can militarily breach a home/shelter without risking the innocent. As long as We make excuses for them to do these things to any of us, Our left will keep transforming America into “little Russia”.
    By the way you conservative bloggers, hackers have been sending swat to your homes, and the Judges keep jumping on it like June bugs…

  • Don DeLathouwer

    Maybe they’ll arrest Joe Biden next?? Naw, he’s a demoncrat!!

  • Anonymous

    I have not seen one piece of evidence that would explain why the FBI , and especially the Secret Service were at this man’s house.if the local police had done this on there own ,the FBI would have charged them with violating the suspects civial rights , they would be on the way to prison.how did a magistrate, a mental health worker, a psychiatrist at the mental health center, a judge in general district court, another psychiatrist on the judges hearing board to go along with this farce. This is what the KGB, does in Russia placing innocent people in mental hospitals and goulags. This mental health code in Va, is an emergency procedure to protect citizens from mental suspects that are an immediate threat to to do bodily harm to themselves or someone else.not for fascist liberals to eliminate there opposition .

    • Bonnie Somer

      luckily we know who really nds mental help it is the entire obama admin and his scary czars.  u warned everyone glenn this is no surprise

  • 2War Abn Vet

    Historically, it has been the mark of a police state to brand anyone who disagrees with the dictator as mentally defective.

  • Destroy All Morons!

    it’s confirmation that everyone is being monitored on social media…that’s orwellian enough i think.

  • Anonymous

    “In court Thursday, the judge said that the petition was blank and didn’t list a single allegation against him. The judge said Raub suffered a “deprivation of his liberty” by being held without a clear claim.”

  • greywolfrs

    I see the NDAA is working as intended.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vinny-Raineri/1685766211 Vinny Raineri

      Nope, not the NDAA, which is Federal, but a State law.

  • Anonymous

    This is indeed scary and not really surprising given just who is in charge of the government and the police. When the enemies of freedom have the porwer, no man is safe and even in this guy is a truther and a fool, the rule of law should prevail, not the rule of tyranny. I am with Glenn on this. I don’t agree with the guy and I think he is a fool for what he posted, but to hold him without charges and hearing is definitely a totalitarian act and not acceptable in America. All of you voters in Virginia, what are you doing to change this stupid law? Will it be used against you next? Get off your duffs and do something about it.

  • http://twitter.com/twitmeonceagain mike

    Someone (the tin foil hat crowd) once said, “they” will allow things to get only so bad, before we wake the hell up, and “they pull the switch”. Lets, I guess, hope that is the case. Also,(the tin foil hat crowd) says that the MIC will never allow O’Dumbo to have one more term! In fact, I’d bet on it! 

  • Anonymous

    Just to set the record striaght, the temporary pshyciatric  commitment opon recommedation of    
    a mental health professional hasbeen a law for a long long time. It has been used in thousands of instances where someone meets certain criteria and thenis held for observation. This is nothing new!
    And I’ sure there’s a lot more information that went into the determination for the commitment than is eneral knowlwdge.
    I have been in law enforcement since 1973 and have utilized this tool numerous times.The justification for the use of this law is that it is intended for the protection of the individual and/or others.I have never seen this law abused. It is used as a last resort in a siuation where all other means have failed in the attempt to protect those concerned.
    Believe me, I’m no bleeding heart liberal!
    It is just that I hatge to see things blow out of proportion.
    Remember! Vote for the American!

  • new2la

    I can not imagine what our men in the military are feeling.  Obama is commander-in-chief;  an arrogant, self serving narcissist of the worst kind, and our young men in the military are supposed to follow orders?     No wonder those no longer serving are exploding with anger!

  • Anonymous

    Why am I not surprised? I just saw Juan Williams on Hannity and I feel like my head is going to explode with the stupidity! Hannity was angry over the fact that Obama has not once spoken out about the insane comments from his side and Sean said he remembered that when Obama won the election in ’08Williams cried and Hannity said “you must be disappointed that you didn’t get the Hope and Change you thought and this president has done nothing to stop the attacks” and Juan said that “Obama has nothing to do with those ads.” Oh my, so sad and pathetic. Nothing more pitiful than a wasted brain. Since the FBI has so much time to spend on this young kid, why aren’t they vetting the WH and all Obama’s cronies who are so crooked – Isn’t that part of their job?” No, they just go about their business, not doing the job they were paid to do – look into the corrupt politicians. I used to have the utmost respect for the FBI – but no more.

  • Anonymous

    The problem of warrantless wiretaps going unopposed by the populace derives from the fact that the people have lost faith in the judiciary. With political correctness ruling the bench, the people fear that law enforcement agencies would have a very difficult time obtaining wiretaps on actual enemies, i.e., Islamists. They understand that much information on Islamic terrorists is gleaned from wiretaps, and they feel safer knowing someone in charge is listening. They also believe they are safe from the overreach of warrantless wiretaps because they are themselves not talking about building bombs or slaughtering people. How many times have we heard, “If you aren’t doing anything illegal, what do you have to fear?”

    What we need to do is strengthen law enforcement’s ability to obtain valid warrants in a timely manner, so they can quickly track the enemy within. Perhaps conservatives don’t mind the ear of law enforcement, knowing that real bad guys are being shadowed. As for liberals, I suspect they don’t mind the “third man” because they feel immune from the him, and, moreover, that since the “third man” is their guy, maybe he will take down conservatives for so-called “hate talk.”

    The Left is making bogeymen of those on the right, and they hope to connect invisible dots to make their fantasy of domestic terrorism come true. The Left is working hard to ignore the real terrorists among us, the Islamists, while working overtime to fabricate right-wing-extremist-Tea-Party terrorists. I fully expect Leftists to dress up like “Tea Baggers” in order to commit the crimes they wish we’d commit and then try to pin them on us. Watch for this to happen at the DNC convention, because they need Leftists to be the victims.

  • http://twitter.com/HarleyChick489 Amber Hooter

    SWOLLEN MEMBERS LYRICS – Bring Me Down the comments are about sharpening an axe and here to sever heads. those are lyrics to the song above. so maybe he was just quoting a song he likes. its bull that we cant say whatever we would like regardless of what it is. Freedom of speech my hiney.  Ive seen worse facebook posts than his. I hate that things we say and post are taken so literally as to put a halt on everyday life because someone thinks there is something wrong with you. Some people need to get over themselves and their own selfish thoughts and grow up. Your so vain you probably thought that post was about you, about you, dont you, dont you?

  • Anonymous

    Wilson.  Roosevelt.  Stalin. Hitler.  Pol Pot.  Ceausescu.  Pinochet.  Obama.  Are we seeing the connection yet?  Yes, both Woodrow Wilson and FDR had what they euphemisticlly termed “internment camps,” Wilson for German immigrants and German -American citizens; FDR for Japanese immigrants and Japanes-American citizens.  Both men “claimed” it was for the peoples “protection; both tmes, they were no better than Hitler’s death camps: Auschwitz, Dachau, Sobibor, Treblinka….the list goes on and on.  How many more people have to be arrested without a warrant(typical gestapo tactics) and hauled away to “disappear;” how much American blood must be shed domestically before everyone wakes yp and realizes history is repeating itself again?  If you pay very close attention to your local newspaper online, as well as nationally, you will notice that our very own FEMA agency has been quietly snapping up parcels of land all over the country and having any existing buildings retrofitted to hold large numbers of people.  Why?  They are the “FEMA CAMPS” of course,the processing stations and “detention camps” we’ll be sent to because we dared to disagree with Obama.  This is why he, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Valerie Jarrett have worked so tirelessly to demonize Tea Party Republicans abd paint them as a bunch of violent extremist.  That way, when he gives the order to have them all loaded onto cattle trains, no one else will protest. (and yep! they do have the cattle trains already, folks!)
    I wish I could tell you this was just me ranting like a crazy person, but the information cam

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, my computer is being a little jerk tonight!
      As I was sayingabove, the information I received came from Freedomonnector.com, which is part of FreedomWorks.  They are a fantastic network of people, and they’re very careful about verifying a story before posting it for general consumption.
      I beg all my fellow patriots, please, keep a very close eye on things going on in your own town that seem unusual.  We stiil have a chance to make sure history doesn’t repeat itself.  Let’s make sure of it.

    • Anonymous

      Glennfriend, there is a big difference in what the presidents did during the war years in

      putting people into internment camps and what Hitler did in putting people into concen-

      tration camps/death camps.   Ask anyone who was kept in either camp and is now a

      survivor.  In one, you lost your freedom.  In the other, you, usually, lost your life.

      However, I don’t think the presidents did the right thing by interring those people.  A lot

      of them lost their homes and businesses.

      • Anonymous

        You’ll excuse me if I respectfully disagree with you. I do not see a diiference at all. If you check the histories of both Wilson and Roosevelt, you will see that the German Americans and Japanese Americans were in foul conditions and frequently starved to death, and if someone even accidentally strayed off the canps, they were executed. How is that really any different than what Hitler did? I believe you are splitting hairs by the differences in names. And did either one make reparations to either group for the torture and agony they inflicted on these people? No.
        War is never an excuse to round a group of people up that you don’t like so that you can get rid of them. There is NEVER an excuse to subjugate anyone in that way.

        • Anonymous

          Glennfriend, I can’t address the German American internments, but in

          CA during the Jap.-Am. camps, though they had some harsh times, I

          didn’t hear about starvation or executions.  Of course, the media may

          not have reported any.   Can’t comment about the conditions in other

          camps.   You are WRONG about reparations.  At least in CA, the folks

          interred in camps DID receive some monies.  Much later than they

          should have, but hey!  When did the slaves from the South receive

          their reparations?         I agree with your last two sentences.

  • Anonymous

    I have never been so ashamed to call myself a peace officer.


    If someone had said to me that
    agents and local law enforcement would be seizing a person because of a
    statement on facebook I would have laughed and said “ don’t worry” that will
    never happen”.


    The oath of office dictates we
    swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States. That’s generally the
    first sentence in most any oath. I believe Glenn is right, this was a test, but
    what about the agents and the officers?  


    It is the duty of any officer or
    federal agent to uphold the constitution which means you may refuse to obey
    unconstitutional orders. It’s perfectly legal, and encouraged, and protected
    under law.


    Why did they do it ?


    If the onion gets peeled, there by G-D better be some
    inference that this guy was acting nuts and people close to him contacted Law
    enforcement. If not, folks we are in trouble.


    I remember my oath of office. I remember when I rediscovered
    a love for my country when I studied Constitutional law. I have never been so
    proud as to think myself a guardian of liberty. We are a nation of laws that
    ensures an orderly functioning society.


    Law correcting behavior may only be ratified when there is a
    compelling need to do so for the protection of the majority.


    This event is a major blow to people like me who constantly
    tell our citizens “ don’t worry were with you”  “ Don’t worry whatever happens were going to
    get through this together”. What am I supposed to tell these people now ?


    I pray to G-D punish those who are guilty, ratify those who
    are innocent, and save those who are needy. Badge or no badge I love my G-D, I
    love my country, I love my family, and I pray for peace. I’m still in shock, I
    can’t believe this happened, what the hell are we becoming ?


    You ! I’m talking to you ! You Badge toting, oath swearing,
    gun carrying, Son of a B!@#. Upon penalty of death don’t you ever, ever, do that.
    Don’t you ever take someone into custody because you were just told to do so or
    you believed your orders were just because were Americans. (Question with
    Boldness). This incident was wrong and it was harmful to us all !

  • Anonymous

    I am an australian that has always said i wish we were like america!, but seeing what i going on over there at the moment i have changed  mind and am more than happy to be living here ,and here’s some free advice get out of every country that you’s are involed in , as with what is happening inside of america and the way it has been run is no shinning example to anyone else in the world on how to live

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6Y3TVBZRVEGT3PZOO4XHG7COQE tunja

    How is it the New Black Panthers can shout it from the roof tops what they want to do and who they want to do it to, yet no questions are asked

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=526142824 Ben Pitts

    As a former Army MP I think I would advise anyone who may be in Mr. Raub’s situation to flat out never talk to the Fed’s without legal council present. I took the oath to protect and defend the Constitution, which obligated me, at least I believe, to also protect the rights of any American citizen. Maybe I am over idealistic, but is it too much to ask that those who carry a badge and a gun and have sworn to up hold the US Constitution to do the same? To keep in forefront their minds that “Ok, I not only have to protect this country and it’s citizens but also have to do it in a manner that does not violate their rights!” Really is that too much to ask for?  

  • Anonymous

    Many of us still feel that Obama may be planning an arranged terrorist attack either before the elections in Nov. or just after if he should lose the election.  He is knowingly let terrorists cross the border  inviting them to the White House for discussions and giving the Muslim Brotherhood billions of dollars the US does not have.  „Why, why would a president do this  not to strengthen the US  but many think to hurt the US and be able to carry out his ÏFather’s dream.

  • Kelly Swanson

    Why is it posted all over the internet that the 1963 Communists goals are fake??

  • Anonymous

    Washington State has a law similar to this, but this application (understanding that we don’t know all the details) seems  improper. The authority to DETAIN, not arrest is based on a simple standard. Is this person an immediate danger to themselves or others? A good (and actual) example is when a neighbor calls and says someone has been sitting in their truck with the engine turned off for 12 hours, they’re naked, and it’s 10 degrees outside. The officer comes to check on the person and they are hallcinating/hearing voices/unaware of the danger they are putting themselves in or are intentionally trying to harm themselves. The officer is empowered to take them to a medical facility to have them checked out physically and a local mental health person does an evaluation which usually takes a few hours. They go through a check list of symptoms and contacts a state mental health facility to see if the person needs a full evaluation (which can take up to 30 days, usually less) at a mental hospital to determine if a treatment plan is necessary. It doesn’t sound like what happened in this case, but with HIPA laws, we’ll never know. 

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