Excellent show tonight. One of the best shows this year. THANK YOU

Thanks, Glenn. As a life-long member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have, indeed, winced when Mormonism was discussed by the MSM. They have always had a special talent for gettng it all wrong.
But tonight, I found myself smiling and even laughing out loud at how you handled all the Mormon questions. You are a good reminder that truth, coupled with humor, is the best teacher!

As an Evangelical i was so pleased that the first question he answered was the most important one. Is Jesus Divine ? He said yes and the rest of the questions dont matter

Thanks, Glenn. I am not Mormon, nor do I agree with all of their beliefs, but I have had Mormon neighbors that were among the best people I’ve ever known. Every Mormon I’ve ever dealt with has had a strong family, and were always ready to chip in and help whoever needed it. That certainly isn’t a negative against Gov. Romney in my book.

Dear, Glenn. For the past few days, you have been saying how much you were not looking forward to doing this special on your faith as a Mormon. Often, it seems that it is the more difficult things we do that make the biggest impact, that can bring about reflection and sometimes great healing. Your honest discussion about your faith touched me profoundly and I hope will be an instrument of healing misunderstandings. We are all just Children of God struggling to serve him in the best way we may be able in the community and fellowship that, gratefully, we still have the freedom to choose. How fortunate we truly are. Thank you for your courage and for your faith as you constantly challenge me to reflect upon my own!

Fantastic segment tonight! Great to hear simple answers to great questions.

Mr. Beck, I am a missionary Baptist and our beliefs are actually pretty close. I really enjoyed the show. It is a hard thing to open up your heart on your most cherished beliefs knowing so many will mock it. I believe that is why God has put us here, to spread the word. Thank you so much for sharing. See you in Cinci

It’s an awesome show! I totally enjoyed it. Thank you so much!

Thanks G/B that was a great and entertaining look at
reality. I was not born Catholic, for lack of a better phrase I was borne a
southern Baptist. I became Catholic because I enjoy rules! The Catholic Church
is most certainly a Church of rules.

I have friends who are LDS. Yes, they have tried to convert
me but I did not go. I didn’t go because there was something that told me not
too because I believed then and now I didn’t need to! Whether a friend or some
kids on bicycles, I have always opened the door into my home, I listened, we
talked, and we always parted as friends.

Thanks G/B, for an episode that reminds me of the horrors of
ignorance and the beauty of enlightenment. I know your doing your best to be an honest
person and I am your friend. The Jew, The Christian, The Muslim, The others: As
for The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter day Saints; I believe there are
street corners in Heaven. There, we will stand as representatives of a G-d
loving people, shaking hands, talking about our experiences, and just being good
to one and another.

Thank you.

Even Muslims believe that Jesus was divine.

Thanks for doing this show. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I feel that you represented the faith very well. I also love your video about your conversion to the faith – An Unlikely Mormon – and I highly recommend that to others who want to further understand why you and others are devout Christians.

Glenn, you seem to set up some straw men here. What about the questions like; Are Jesus and lucifer brothers? Is the Bible complete or was it incomplete until Joseph Smith and the book of mormon? Are Father Son and Holy Spirit eternal and co equal and thereby 3 persons and 1 God? Do mormons believe that they will someday be God’s themselves? These are some of the reasons traditional Christianity believes that mormonism is not Christianity. Now please don’t play the victim and claim that you are being persecuted because the book of mormon is a clear statement that traditional Christianity is not the truth but incomplete. In other words the arguement will work both ways.
I have an idea. You believe what you will and so will everyone else. If someone “offends” your sensibilities, deal with it. Hust because you disagree with me, I don’t feel persecuted. Save the term persecution for the real thing.

if there is anything you have questions about, pull YOUR faith together and PRAY about it! God loves truth and will always answer sincere prayer.

I’m surprised he didn’t talk about the United Order, and it’s literal definition of “Christian Communism”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Order

Is the Mormon theology mythical or something tangible. Can it be backed up by the written word of God – the Holy Bible?

What really puzzles me, is how many religious theologies exist the world over. All claiming, that theirs is the most pure, therefore, the most accurate transcript.

In the Holy Bible, the One who calls Himself “Almighty”, throws us the simple request to “prove Me at my word” – What word? Well of course, the written word of God the Holy Bible.

How do we do this, especially in this day of mass religious confusion?

Prophecy is the answer. It is how we prove God is real, by the numerous things He inspired to be written in biblical content.

What we see transpiring in the Middle East today was foretold thousands of years ago. How America would sell out its Allies in the region, including the tiny nation of Israel, but not them only, also nations such as Egypt and Ethiopia. This book of books, foretells our hazardous US foreign policy and how it will come back to haunt us in the very near future if we do not recognize our error.

For example. Both US political parties do not have a clue, this, according to your own bible. Neither party is aware of the grave danger they have placed our people in of this great nation, especially over the past few years.

If our leaders were to acknowledge God, they could easily avoid the troubling future of world events unfolding before all eyes, events that are rapidly turning in the favor of our worst enemies.

To this day, American tax payers continue to give billions in foreign aid to Egypt. We helped topple a US friendly leader in Egypt ( calling him a dictator) and have since replaced him with the real deal, a leader who today, just a few months after his power grab – now controls Egypt with an mighty iron fist. A man who has hostile feelings for the US and our Allie Israel. This man has formed a military relationship with the worlds number one terror sponsoring nation – that of Iran, who by the way, is about to go nuclear. Is this sound leadership we have here in the States? With God in the minds of our political parties, these political blunders could be avoided, but on the contrary – our leaders lead us right through the door of national calamity and are fully unaware, in fact, they are quite fond of themselves for doing so.

If our nation knew the God who challenges us to prove him. Not only would we be prosperous in all our endeavors around the world, we would not witness the carnage that transpires daily in every American major city from cost to cost.

This failure to recognize reality then, falls directly on the heads of those who say they represent the God of Heaven. Our religious leaders of all faiths, have kept us in the dark and no wonder, they are all blind men grasping in the dark, who do not know God or anything about him.

Because of fulfilled prophecy, our future is very troubling at best. To be more accurate – it is filled with destruction. Our national political policy is to throw God under the bus and our so called clergy have silently stood by and said nothing.

Have we heard anything out of the Mormon church,. or for that matter any church, about what has transpired recently in Egypt or how it will directly effect the US?

The Bible gives any willing to “prove it for themselves” clear decisive answers to all of today’s chaotic world conditions and how to solve our national problems and our problems around the globe. Actually, it is the voice of the written word of God Himself that guides us – that is – if one is willing to seek Him out and prove Him at His Word.

God declares – “I will build my Church” – not churches mind you – not many – but one. It is up to the individual to find it, including our so-called religious leaders and also our political leaders. In that way only, can any individual be spared the troubling times just around the corner.

Glenn – I believe I owe you an apology. Though traditional Christian doctrine and LDS theology and belief systems differ in some ways, they are a lot alike. Though I love you and listen to you and am a subscriber to your network, I had pretty much labeled you a weirdo on the faith front. If you had not done the show last night I would not have realized some important things about what you and I hold in common, namely – Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Thanks for your courage Glenn.

“Christian communism” or as the LDS call it, the United Order, was practiced in the Bible. (Acts chpt 2.) The church believes modern communism is a satanic perversion of this. FYI! http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles/is-socialism-the-united-order/

1) Do Christians believe that Lucifer fell from heaven? What was he before he fell? Oh, darn. Christians believe God was alone in heaven until about 6,000 years ago, right? So, then Lucifer couldn’t fall from heaven, before the earth was created, so when was he created? Was he created by God after Adam and Eve? If so, why? Why does Isaiah refer to him as a man?

So many questions, so few answers for many, many centuries. Then along comes Joseph Smith and we learn that God created all things spiritually, before he caused it to rain upon the earth, and that Jesus is actually who he said he was, the Son of God, sent to do the will of his Father. We learn that among the spirits created before the world was, one of the brightest of them wanted to be the Son of God, to be sent by the Father, but to do his own will, not to do the will of the Father, When he was rejected, he rebelled and was cast out, with all those who followed after him.

What in the world does this have to do with making Jesus who descended in America, another Jesus from the one who ascended in Palestine?

2) The Book of Mormon is the testament of Joseph that Jesus is the Christ, but it is a compendium of that testimony, not the full account, which is still to come forth. God preserved it under ground for centuries, because the apostates of the American church would have destroyed it, if he hadn’t had it buried to preserve it. The apostates of the Palestinian church didn’t destroy the Bible, but they exploited it for their own purposes, holding back many plain and precious explanations of doctrine and even removing some covenants, according to the word of God.

3) Joseph learned that the record of Judah, the Bible, is true, having spread the knowledge of the gospel of Christ world-wide, so that most of its inhabitants today have a knowledge of the Savior. But the doctrines of Christianity, supposedly taken from the Bible, are many times absurd, such as the 3rd century doctrine of the Trinity, which remains to this day an admittedly incomprehensible concept.

The reason that Jesus referred to himself in the Bible as “the Son of Man” is because he is the Son of God, who is the “Man of Holiness,” spoken of by the ancients. He is the express image of his biological Father, in whose image Adam and Eve were created.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. There is no God, there is no Savior besides the one God of Israel, Jehovah, the Holy One of Jacob. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father, and true all true Christians are one in them.

4) The word for God in Hebrew is used in different ways. One way refers to magistrates, or rulers. The word is identical to the plural form of el, used anciently. So, if you were speaking in Hebrew, it would not be unusual to use the plural form of el, or elohim, to refer to the saints, in the coming day when they will be sinless (having been washed clean in the blood of the Lamb,) immortal (their corruption having put on incorruption by the resurrection,) reigning magistrates, who have been crowned and who have been granted to sit with Jesus in his throne, according to the Bible.

Questions?

The Bible makes no mention of Jesus coming to America but you are making my point that mormonism does not believe that the Bible alone is sufficient and God’s complete written word for us. That is heresy in my belief. You can believe what you will though.
One God yes . 3 beings Yes. Man and woman together are one flesh even though they are 2 beings.
Lucifer is a fallen angel not begotten of God as Jesus. Jesus was begotten not made. Satan or Lucifer was and is a fallen angel just like the other angels that follow him.
Crowned with Christ’s righteousness, not our own. Those crowns we will cast before our Lord because they are due to him. Yes we will be raised immortal and incorrupt. I do not remember any passage where we are considered magistrates in heaven. If you are a millenialist though, that may be what could be meant by the passage saying that we will reign with Christ.
No I have no questions, I already know what the answers are. They arfe all in the Bible.

Glenn-Thank-you SO much for this show. As a fellow LDS member this was a welcome contrast to so many vicious and awful things that have been put out there the last couple of years. I watched a documentary on current tv (yes I know…) called The Mormon Candidate and I was so disheartened and felt so personally assaulted by the lies and misinformation about a faith I hold so dear that I had to try twice to watch it…and then I cried. 95% of the time was spent talking to disgruntled former members and about polygamy. That is not who we are! That is not who I am! You uplifted me and helped me remember why my ancestors fought for this and why I personally have gone down the path less traveled for what I believe. The garbage people think about us doesn’t matter; just what’s in our hearts.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, not the divine son of God.

Very good question. I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have what we call a General Conference every 6 months. It is telecast to members of the church throughout the world. In this conference the prophet, Thomas S. Monson and the apostles and other church leaders address the membership of the Church with sometimes new revelation, but mostly it is reminding us of those things we have already been taught but are still struggling to internalize (on an individual basis). I always wait with baited breath to hear what they will say regarding political issues of the day. It is always the same.”The church does not affiliate with political parties or endorse candidates for office. We encourage members to become well-educated about the candidates and vote for those who most closely represent theirr values. It is our civic duty to vote.” That is pretty much as political as it ever gets.
But know this. There is no other religion that teaches that this land was a chosen land, discovered and founded as a nation through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (see the Book of Mormon). There is no faith which adores the U.S. Constitution as much as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I’ve come to realize that the work of the prophet is to bring forth God’s truth – to work as the mouthpiece of the Savior.
If you listen to church leaders and read the scriptures, you know what is right and wrong. You know where to stand on issues….. If you are informed (as we are encouraged to be) of what is happening.

Our church leaders are not now, nor will they be political leaders. If they were, the word which they preach and teach would become corrupt. They would become like the popes of the dark ages where political power was a source of evil deeds.
Political power was not something sought by Christ. He simply taught us what is right in His eternal kingdom. He continues to do that today. The pure in heart will inherit that kingdom. What we deal with today is important, but we must remember that it is temporary. We must also remember, as individuals that we will be accountable for standing up for liberty. Liberty is God’s gift to his children.

Funny Nick. I’ve always thought of Communism as Satan’s counterfeit for the “United Order”. Surely you know that Satan has a counterfeit for almost every holy thing.

Read the Bible, if that is all you prefer to read. You’ll be surprised at how many answers there are to your questions in that Book alone:)

Wrong.

I’d be careful. Those garments may get much hotter in the future.

Thanks Glenn! This was awesome! Well Done!

No, you’re wrong. Muslims believe Jesus is a dead prophet, second in command below Mohammad. You should probably learn theology before trying to discuss it.

Is Jesus more divine than his brother Satan?

I was born a Catholic. At 19years old, I was invited to the Mormon church, I went and I kept going. It is so easy to visit. There are no rituals or repetitions. I loved it. I joined.
My parents were horrified. When they complained to my uncle, a Catholic priest, about my decision (and seeming rebellion), his frank response to them was, “She could do a lot worse things than become a Mormon.”
The Church is a bit mysterious to people because Mormons have a very simple yet very deep conviction of their faith and it motivates them to do their best follow Christ, to obey the commandments and to live clean lives.

I wonder if it is because of our unusual and seemingly disciplined lifestyle (most of us have much to work on), that people are under the impression that we are brainwashed. (Some have even called us clones.) Nothing could be further from the truth. If you visit every Catholic and Protestant church and then the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you’ll be stunned at the lack of “brainwashing”. In Primary, our children memorize “the Articles of Faith” which are the basic precepts and tenets of our religion.(You can check them out at lds.org) Beyond that, we are very much encouraged to study the scriptures at church and in our families and as individuals and to seek learning and knowledge for ourselves through prayer.

I think that one point of doctrine that sets us apart from other Christian faiths is the interpretation of “grace”. While we believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was divinely appointed to atone for our sins through His suffering, crucifixion, and resurrection, we believe that we access the atonement in our own lives by obeying the commandments and repenting when we fail (sacrificing our own sins).
At the time of Augustine, the “Catholic church” ruled that Jesus Christ saved men IN their sins. We believe that Christ came to save men FROM their sins-That wickedness never brings happiness. It cannot.
I encourage you to go to church with your neighbors or at least learn about their faith by going to lds.org. But even if you choose not to, I want to thank you for being tolerant and Christlike in your dealings with your neighbors. I hope there are many more like you out there.
Thank you.

It was not the Spanish-American War, It was the Mexican-American War. If you want to know about history, ask an historian, not a talk show host. Bless Beck’s little heart, but this was a stupid mistake, as it was a pivital period in LDS history. If you need help, Brother Beck, all ya gotta do is ask!

It contains all we need to know. not all we would like to know.

Glenn – you are clearly a decent guy and I do value what you have revealed to me about the state of modern politics. I also believe that you are sincere in your desire to know God. That being said I have to say that the differences between Biblical Christianity and LDS teachings are wide and irreconcilable. Also the historical claims of the LDS church and the known facts about the prehistory of the Americas are also wide and irreconcilable. The Jesus worshipped by LDS and that revealed by the Bible are not the same. I do not believe that because the LDS church is wrong about these things that the religion is wrong all the way through. The stress on family, honesty sobriety, watchfullness is very admirable, but of course these things are mainline Biblical teachings and are not peculiar to the LDS faith. Turn that keen mind towards analyzing the LDS church and you will see that they are not based in truth, but that the historical claims marketed by the founder are either a flight of fancy or an elaborate lie, one that has fallen apart in the light of modern archaeology and science. The good new is that all of the things that inspire you, lift you up, strengthen you are real and are found true Biblical Christianity. I have no doubt that you are in a relationship with God, but you need to filter out the deceptions of LDS and get to the real truth of the matter. God Bless.

Glenn – you are clearly a decent guy and I do value what you have revealed to me about the state of modern politics. I also believe that you are sincere in your desire to know God. That being said I have to say that the differences between Biblical Christianity and LDS teachings are wide and irreconcilable. Also the historical claims of the LDS church and the known facts about the prehistory of the Americas are also wide and irreconcilable. The Jesus worshipped by LDS and that revealed by the Bible are not the same. I do not believe that because the LDS church is wrong about these things that the religion is wrong all the way through. The stress on family, honesty sobriety, watchfullness is very admirable, but of course these things are mainline Biblical teachings and are not peculiar to the LDS faith. Turn that keen mind towards analyzing the LDS church and you will see that they are not based in truth, but that the historical claims marketed by the founder are either a flight of fancy or an elaborate lie, one that has fallen apart in the light of modern archaeology and science. The good new is that all of the things that inspire you, lift you up, strengthen you are real and are found true Biblical Christianity. I have no doubt that you are in a relationship with God, but you need to filter out the deceptions of LDS and get to the real truth of the matter. God Bless.

What about your “other” Bible? Probably my biggest issue with LDS, and why the LDS cannot refer to themselves as Christians. Sure they do, so do Hindus, and Buddhists. Just saying it doesn’t make it true. The Bible alone is the scripture of Christianity. By what arrogance can 1 man write a book the size of the entire New Testament 2000 years later and claim credible equivalence? That is a problem for anyone who sincerely seeks their Creator. The One who was the same yesterday, today, and forever. Who knew the end from the beginning. He did not need 1 guy with magic glasses to append “another Testament”. Especially one that refers to a fictional historical account. Sure he can write a book, but not another Bible. The only other blatant 3rd person accounts of historical events in the Bible were the writings of Moses. After-which all 3rd person accounts (visions) were future, not past. Until Joey boy came along that is. Moroni? Seriously? Before he started the Church Joe was known as a drunkard and liar. The whole book reads like a story made up by a drunk guy. What I don’t mind suggesting is that anyone who would knock it should read it first. Then you can truly appreciate the absurdity and gullibility required to choose that over the Christian Bible. Of course they will say they have “equal” weight in feigned humility. How is it humility to claim to be equal to the Bible? How is it humility to claim to be equal to Christ? :::

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam” (um Jesus?)

What he was, was a malignant narcissist. I love most Mormons I meet, but will never accept that JS was anything more than a deceiving Charlatan. Just as with the Pharisees of old. Legalistically molding the outside has no value to the inside. Which is why I make a point to cuss now and then, to remind myself that all of my little routines have no bearing on the quality that God has put in my heart. What matters is inside and that can shine out of any container. Even a potty mouthed hick. Shit is shit isn’t it? So calling it what it is, don’t blush, that’s just your false conviction. Learn to hear the real One. The One that would cause you to be ready to go and do, all for the Glory of God, without hesitation, at a moments notice. Piety can burn in hell.

What about your “other” Bible? Probably my biggest issue with LDS, and why the LDS cannot refer to themselves as Christians. Sure they do, so do Hindus, and Buddhists. Just saying it doesn’t make it true. The Bible alone is the scripture of Christianity. By what arrogance can 1 man write a book the size of the entire New Testament 2000 years later and claim credible equivalence? That is a problem for anyone who sincerely seeks their Creator. The One who was the same yesterday, today, and forever. Who knew the end from the beginning. He did not need 1 guy with magic glasses to append “another Testament”. Especially one that refers to a fictional historical account. Sure he can write a book, but not another Bible. The only other blatant 3rd person accounts of historical events in the Bible were the writings of Moses. After-which all 3rd person accounts (visions) were future, not past. Until Joey boy came along that is. Moroni? Seriously? Before he started the Church Joe was known as a drunkard and liar. The whole book reads like a story made up by a drunk guy. What I don’t mind suggesting is that anyone who would knock it should read it first. Then you can truly appreciate the absurdity and gullibility required to choose that over the Christian Bible. Of course they will say they have “equal” weight in feigned humility. How is it humility to claim to be equal to the Bible? How is it humility to claim to be equal to Christ? :::

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam” (um Jesus?)

What he was, was a malignant narcissist. I love most Mormons I meet, but will never accept that JS was anything more than a deceiving Charlatan. Just as with the Pharisees of old. Legalistically molding the outside has no value to the inside. Which is why I make a point to cuss now and then, to remind myself that all of my little routines have no bearing on the quality that God has put in my heart. What matters is inside and that can shine out of any container. Even a potty mouthed hick. Shit is shit isn’t it? So calling it what it is, don’t blush, that’s just your false conviction. Learn to hear the real One. The One that would cause you to be ready to go and do, all for the Glory of God, without hesitation, at a moments notice. Piety can burn in hell.

Short answer: yes. Long answer and please don’t misconstrue this comment as an attack, but think about this. Did God create Satan? If no, than God must not be all-powerful, because that would imply Satan is either co-eternal with God, or that some other force created him outside of God’s control.

If yes, then he is in fact our sibling, created by the same being that created us. Is Hitler our brother, and the brother of Jesus? Yes. He was created by God, just as Christ was created by God, just as Satan was created by God.

To say that we are not the siblings of both Christ the only begotten son in the flesh, and Satan a “son of the morning” as Isaiah calls him in the OT, is to say that God is not Omnipotent.

Short answer: yes. Long answer and please don’t misconstrue this comment as an attack, but think about this. Did God create Satan? If no, than God must not be all-powerful, because that would imply Satan is either co-eternal with God, or that some other force created him outside of God’s control.

If yes, then he is in fact our sibling, created by the same being that created us. Is Hitler our brother, and the brother of Jesus? Yes. He was created by God, just as Christ was created by God, just as Satan was created by God.

To say that we are not the siblings of both Christ the only begotten son in the flesh, and Satan a “son of the morning” as Isaiah calls him in the OT, is to say that God is not Omnipotent.

The Qur’an states that Jesus had the power to raise the dead, and was called “the word of God” none of which Mohammed is accredited

The Qur’an states that Jesus had the power to raise the dead, and was called “the word of God” none of which Mohammed is accredited

What about before there was a Bible though? For example after Moses passed away we had the books of Moses. Was THAT? sufficient enough for the people at that time? Were people offended when Isaiah, or Joel, or Samuel came along for instance and started ADDING to the WORD of God they already had? The point is the word of GOD has always been added upon. Who are you to limit God and say the Bible is all we need? Just because someone came along and said “hey we should make a book out of all these writings we have” doesnt mean that that is it. The word of God will always be “added” upon because God will never cease to stop speaking to us.

What about before there was a Bible though? For example after Moses passed away we had the books of Moses. Was THAT? sufficient enough for the people at that time? Were people offended when Isaiah, or Joel, or Samuel came along for instance and started ADDING to the WORD of God they already had? The point is the word of GOD has always been added upon. Who are you to limit God and say the Bible is all we need? Just because someone came along and said “hey we should make a book out of all these writings we have” doesnt mean that that is it. The word of God will always be “added” upon because God will never cease to stop speaking to us.

It’s pretty clear in scripture about marriage. That it is solely an Earthly institution
Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. .

It’s pretty clear in scripture about marriage. That it is solely an Earthly institution
Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. .

question for mormons: are you a good person?

question for mormons: are you a good person?

Where in the bible does it ever say Satan is Jesus’ brother? No where. Satan was the most beautiful angel who was cast out.

Where in the bible does it ever say Satan is Jesus’ brother? No where. Satan was the most beautiful angel who was cast out.

What many folks don’t realize when they make these comments about the United Order and a comparison with communism is that the United Order was instituted of Heavenly Father’s plan, not the plan of Karl Marx. There is no political objective in the United Order, other than that of the organizational, but the Marxist plan is PURE political, with all of the trappings and pitfalls of human nature. Whenever man decides that he doesn’t have any further need of God, and that he can do it all by his lonesome, therein lies the trap. Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, they all wanted to replace God by corrupting His plan and usurping His authority, placing themselves at the head of that “faith.”. That is why socialism and communism fails. It is initiated out of temporal and political desires only, with no thought to the spiritual connection to our Creator. Marxism is man trying to be a god on earth, without the authority.

What many folks don’t realize when they make these comments about the United Order and a comparison with communism is that the United Order was instituted of Heavenly Father’s plan, not the plan of Karl Marx. There is no political objective in the United Order, other than that of the organizational, but the Marxist plan is PURE political, with all of the trappings and pitfalls of human nature. Whenever man decides that he doesn’t have any further need of God, and that he can do it all by his lonesome, therein lies the trap. Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, they all wanted to replace God by corrupting His plan and usurping His authority, placing themselves at the head of that “faith.”. That is why socialism and communism fails. It is initiated out of temporal and political desires only, with no thought to the spiritual connection to our Creator. Marxism is man trying to be a god on earth, without the authority.

Jesus is that WORD. When he ceased to speak to us through his apostles including Paul that was it. But no matter what I cite, you can twist to what you want, so just believe what you will.

Jesus is that WORD. When he ceased to speak to us through his apostles including Paul that was it. But no matter what I cite, you can twist to what you want, so just believe what you will.

I’d like to think so, are you?

I’d like to think so, are you?

So your saying Joseph was already known as a drunk at 14? That he thought up this amazing con and scheme at the age of 14? That he went through all these persecutions for nothing? It’s not “another Bible” It’s Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It talks nothing but Jesus Christ. That he is the Song of God that he came and died for our sins and that he rose again. It teaches that there is no other way nor any other name given except Jesus Christ that we can be saved. IT Teaches that Jesus is everything. The Bible doesn’t constitute you a Christian. Saying that it does would mean that everyone before the Bible came along wasnt a christian. There was no Bible at the time of Peter or John or any of the apostles. Were they christian? Of course they were. We still believe in the Bible we believe the Bible is the word of God.

So your saying Joseph was already known as a drunk at 14? That he thought up this amazing con and scheme at the age of 14? That he went through all these persecutions for nothing? It’s not “another Bible” It’s Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It talks nothing but Jesus Christ. That he is the Song of God that he came and died for our sins and that he rose again. It teaches that there is no other way nor any other name given except Jesus Christ that we can be saved. IT Teaches that Jesus is everything. The Bible doesn’t constitute you a Christian. Saying that it does would mean that everyone before the Bible came along wasnt a christian. There was no Bible at the time of Peter or John or any of the apostles. Were they christian? Of course they were. We still believe in the Bible we believe the Bible is the word of God.

Land, How much was he supposed to cover? Should it be an hour segment? Three hours? All your questions have been asked and answered repeatedly by LDS apologists, as I have no doubt you are aware of. Nevertheless, Glenns show was not an attempt to prove LDS theology, but instead to answer some questions which are normally asked or misunderstood. Your average Christian is completely unaware of the questions you have brought up, they are rather, most commonly brought forth by those looking for debate and not understanding.

As far as the Book of Mormon is concerned it is Orthodox (protestant) Christianity that claims the Bible is the complete and unalterable canon of scripture, that God can say no more. But where does God claim that such is the case? Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? Where does God ever state that all truth is embodied in its fullness in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, this is a man made idea, and not Gods word.

Land, How much was he supposed to cover? Should it be an hour segment? Three hours? All your questions have been asked and answered repeatedly by LDS apologists, as I have no doubt you are aware of. Nevertheless, Glenns show was not an attempt to prove LDS theology, but instead to answer some questions which are normally asked or misunderstood. Your average Christian is completely unaware of the questions you have brought up, they are rather, most commonly brought forth by those looking for debate and not understanding.

As far as the Book of Mormon is concerned it is Orthodox (protestant) Christianity that claims the Bible is the complete and unalterable canon of scripture, that God can say no more. But where does God claim that such is the case? Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? Where does God ever state that all truth is embodied in its fullness in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, this is a man made idea, and not Gods word.

I have always believed that Mormons know God and love God. They are some of the most moral people I know. The problem that I have with the faith is that they believe in the WORKS that they do getting them to heaven. Also…. the biggest difference between Christians and Mormons is one thing… The Book of Mormon. This book does not mention Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross and the work of Grace that was done at the Cross.
Gal. 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you(Jesus Christ and Him crucified), let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

An angel appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him the Book of Mormon.
It is by the Jesus death and resurrection that we are saved and we are able to know the Father. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and there is know way to the Father except by me.

I have always believed that Mormons know God and love God. They are some of the most moral people I know. The problem that I have with the faith is that they believe in the WORKS that they do getting them to heaven. Also…. the biggest difference between Christians and Mormons is one thing… The Book of Mormon. This book does not mention Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross and the work of Grace that was done at the Cross.
Gal. 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you(Jesus Christ and Him crucified), let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

An angel appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him the Book of Mormon.
It is by the Jesus death and resurrection that we are saved and we are able to know the Father. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and there is know way to the Father except by me.

Glenn I already posted that I have NEVER met a Mormon who was not a stand up person, with traditional values, great work ethic and love of God and family. I don’t understand all of your beliefs but they are between you and God. I am delighted that I will be voting for a Mormon as President of the United States. This is a GOOD thing!

Glenn I already posted that I have NEVER met a Mormon who was not a stand up person, with traditional values, great work ethic and love of God and family. I don’t understand all of your beliefs but they are between you and God. I am delighted that I will be voting for a Mormon as President of the United States. This is a GOOD thing!

The bible says no one is good but the Father. Romans 3 says no one seeks God, and no one is good. So the honest answer is no. That’s why Jesus came to die.

The bible says no one is good but the Father. Romans 3 says no one seeks God, and no one is good. So the honest answer is no. That’s why Jesus came to die.

hey …. spanish-american is accurate because mexico was inhabited by Spaniards (from spain)

hey …. spanish-american is accurate because mexico was inhabited by Spaniards (from spain)

Why doesn’t he talk about the real issue? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that Joseph Smith was a con man? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that the book of Abraham is a complete fraud and the real translation was just ordinary funeral texts and says nothing even close to what is found in the book of Abraham. The Book of Mormon is pure fiction. Talk to me about that Glen.

Why doesn’t he talk about the real issue? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that Joseph Smith was a con man? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that the book of Abraham is a complete fraud and the real translation was just ordinary funeral texts and says nothing even close to what is found in the book of Abraham. The Book of Mormon is pure fiction. Talk to me about that Glen.

If your asking me, I agree.. I’m just asking the Mormans, because that is what they believe.

If your asking me, I agree.. I’m just asking the Mormans, because that is what they believe.

All Mormons are stupid.

All Mormons are stupid.

In addition, there are many many scriptures that are mentioned in the Bible but have become lost. Just to name a few: Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22). Based upon the Bible as a witness to itself – it is not complete. That is why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints revere the Book of Mormon so much – because it answers the questions left unanswered by the Bible. The Bible and the Book of Mormon witness of each other and support each other. Literally the Bible is the stick of Judah and the Book of Mormon is the stick of Ephraim as spoken of in Ezekiel 37:16.

In addition, there are many many scriptures that are mentioned in the Bible but have become lost. Just to name a few: Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22). Based upon the Bible as a witness to itself – it is not complete. That is why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints revere the Book of Mormon so much – because it answers the questions left unanswered by the Bible. The Bible and the Book of Mormon witness of each other and support each other. Literally the Bible is the stick of Judah and the Book of Mormon is the stick of Ephraim as spoken of in Ezekiel 37:16.

Why do you declare that I cannot call myself a Christian? Are you the arbitor of such things? Do you have the required depth of knowledge and understanding of eternity to say absolutely that I am not a Christian? Just because you disagree with my faith does not mean you have the right nor OBLIGATION to pronounce that my faith is what you call it. Faith is HIGHLY personal and a sacred thing to the individual and their Creator, and I’ll leave the definition as to whether you, me, or anyone else is a Christian up to God, not to be defined by the words of any man, even if that man thinks he has a perfect knowledge of any part of scripture. It’s not up to you, it’s up to me as to what I am called in regards to God. If I am lying about my relationship with God the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, it is my soul that will suffer, not yours, if I am committing a great sin. I believe that I am not, and that is what is important, and your insults are mere thistle pricks compared to the happiness that my faith brings to me.

How arrogant can you be? The only affect that can be expected with such a comment is that you wish to harm or offend me by such a declaration. Why? When you do this, you neither act as a true Christian nor do you honor the traditions and laws of this country regarding freedom of religion. It is very anti-Christ and unpatriotic for you to claim you are the decider that tells me that I am not a Christian.

I will never say that you are NOT A CHRISTIAN, but by your fruits ye shall be known. When the practice of your beliefs does me no harm, I am perfectly content with letting you believe as you wish, and as long as me practicing my religion does you no harm, why must you persecute me for my faith? Please stop! In the sacred name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you will.

Why do you declare that I cannot call myself a Christian? Are you the arbitor of such things? Do you have the required depth of knowledge and understanding of eternity to say absolutely that I am not a Christian? Just because you disagree with my faith does not mean you have the right nor OBLIGATION to pronounce that my faith is what you call it. Faith is HIGHLY personal and a sacred thing to the individual and their Creator, and I’ll leave the definition as to whether you, me, or anyone else is a Christian up to God, not to be defined by the words of any man, even if that man thinks he has a perfect knowledge of any part of scripture. It’s not up to you, it’s up to me as to what I am called in regards to God. If I am lying about my relationship with God the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, it is my soul that will suffer, not yours, if I am committing a great sin. I believe that I am not, and that is what is important, and your insults are mere thistle pricks compared to the happiness that my faith brings to me.

How arrogant can you be? The only affect that can be expected with such a comment is that you wish to harm or offend me by such a declaration. Why? When you do this, you neither act as a true Christian nor do you honor the traditions and laws of this country regarding freedom of religion. It is very anti-Christ and unpatriotic for you to claim you are the decider that tells me that I am not a Christian.

I will never say that you are NOT A CHRISTIAN, but by your fruits ye shall be known. When the practice of your beliefs does me no harm, I am perfectly content with letting you believe as you wish, and as long as me practicing my religion does you no harm, why must you persecute me for my faith? Please stop! In the sacred name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you will.

God did not create Jesus. He is uncreated, just like God and the Holy Spriit. The triune God, three in one.

God did not create Jesus. He is uncreated, just like God and the Holy Spriit. The triune God, three in one.

Actually, it is true, before the first hand testimony of the life and death of Jesus there were no Christians. A matter of absolute fact. Just as before the testimony of Joe Smith there were no Mormons. Now there are, and they are disciples of Joe Smith, and not Jesus. A man cannot serve 2 masters.

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Actually, it is true, before the first hand testimony of the life and death of Jesus there were no Christians. A matter of absolute fact. Just as before the testimony of Joe Smith there were no Mormons. Now there are, and they are disciples of Joe Smith, and not Jesus. A man cannot serve 2 masters.

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Glenn taslking about strange underwear was designed to make fun of those with real problems with mormonism. He fell back on liberal tactics by making fun of accusations that are not mainstream but some random nutjob statements.
Frankly I don’t care what he covers on it, just don’t say you’ve answered all the normal questions when you have not.
I still recall Stu and Pat stopping Glenn from disagreeing with the Gov. of I believe Alabama who said that muslims were not his brothers. They jumped in and stopped Glenn because they did not want to go down that road with traditional Christians. My memory is better than that.
Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? The Bible is the sole word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Go ahead and believe all the heresy you want, you are without excuse for I have done my job.

Glenn taslking about strange underwear was designed to make fun of those with real problems with mormonism. He fell back on liberal tactics by making fun of accusations that are not mainstream but some random nutjob statements.
Frankly I don’t care what he covers on it, just don’t say you’ve answered all the normal questions when you have not.
I still recall Stu and Pat stopping Glenn from disagreeing with the Gov. of I believe Alabama who said that muslims were not his brothers. They jumped in and stopped Glenn because they did not want to go down that road with traditional Christians. My memory is better than that.
Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? The Bible is the sole word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Go ahead and believe all the heresy you want, you are without excuse for I have done my job.

Mormons do not necessarily place The Bible below the Book of Mormon. Also they are not claiming that it is another Bible, it is simply another testament of Jesus Christ. Is there anything they do or practice in their day to day lives that counteracts Christ’s teachings? All practicing Mormons that I know help their neighbors, read their scriptures, pray to God and accept that Christ is their savior and redeemer. While I don’t understand all that they do, I understand that they are good people with Christian beliefs.

Matthew 7: 1-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Mormons do not necessarily place The Bible below the Book of Mormon. Also they are not claiming that it is another Bible, it is simply another testament of Jesus Christ. Is there anything they do or practice in their day to day lives that counteracts Christ’s teachings? All practicing Mormons that I know help their neighbors, read their scriptures, pray to God and accept that Christ is their savior and redeemer. While I don’t understand all that they do, I understand that they are good people with Christian beliefs.

Matthew 7: 1-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Amazing, so by your definition anyone who wants to call themselves a Christian can and should, and then if anyone tries to draw any line they are unpatriotic and anti-Christ?

You are right, by our fruits we are known, but calling the fruits of legalism and whatever that you just did “good fruit” is shameful. However, fruit is not people pleasing. If it were Jesus would not have warned us about taking up our own “cross” or that the world would “hate us” … no, instead he warned that “many would come in my name” and said “do not follow them”. I believe Him, you apparently do not.

Amazing, so by your definition anyone who wants to call themselves a Christian can and should, and then if anyone tries to draw any line they are unpatriotic and anti-Christ?

You are right, by our fruits we are known, but calling the fruits of legalism and whatever that you just did “good fruit” is shameful. However, fruit is not people pleasing. If it were Jesus would not have warned us about taking up our own “cross” or that the world would “hate us” … no, instead he warned that “many would come in my name” and said “do not follow them”. I believe Him, you apparently do not.

Isaiah 14, Came from and cast out of heaven. God created everything in heaven and earth (Gen 1). We’re all children and creations of God (including satan) => siblings. If you don’t hold a Trinitarian view of God (trinity is nowhere in the Bible) then you believe Jesus is a child and creation of God as well. Yes, we’re all children of God, Satan is all of our brother. Our Lord and Savior is our perfect older brother. If you do believe in a Trinitarian view of God, then you believe in Jesus the creator of Satan.

Isaiah 14, Came from and cast out of heaven. God created everything in heaven and earth (Gen 1). We’re all children and creations of God (including satan) => siblings. If you don’t hold a Trinitarian view of God (trinity is nowhere in the Bible) then you believe Jesus is a child and creation of God as well. Yes, we’re all children of God, Satan is all of our brother. Our Lord and Savior is our perfect older brother. If you do believe in a Trinitarian view of God, then you believe in Jesus the creator of Satan.

Glenn just wanted to say thanks for this show last night. I know it was hard to do but satisfying as well.

Glenn just wanted to say thanks for this show last night. I know it was hard to do but satisfying as well.

So, if I were to follow your logic, there is no need for any prophets? No Moses? No Noah? No Abraham? No, we revere Joseph Smith, we do not “follow” him, but Christ is the head of our faith and master of this church. The adversary is a grand illusionist, and has a mastery of word play, like you think you do. Your argument has no point. You parse words and decipher in the mental arena, but you have little depth in your spiritual point of view. Notice I didn’t say “no depth.” The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.

So, if I were to follow your logic, there is no need for any prophets? No Moses? No Noah? No Abraham? No, we revere Joseph Smith, we do not “follow” him, but Christ is the head of our faith and master of this church. The adversary is a grand illusionist, and has a mastery of word play, like you think you do. Your argument has no point. You parse words and decipher in the mental arena, but you have little depth in your spiritual point of view. Notice I didn’t say “no depth.” The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.

That’s strange, I thought we were made in his image. I’m not three in one. corky

That’s strange, I thought we were made in his image. I’m not three in one. corky

Very well said Dorothy! I agree completely!! (another life long member)

Very well said Dorothy! I agree completely!! (another life long member)

Really? You want to go there? You are joking, right? Spain was effectively kicked out of Mexico by France before the aforementioned war, so why not call it the French-American War? Wars are usually defined by political boundries in the modern era, and not by the ethnic makeup of it’s inhabitants. Come on, rick! My masters in history was not fur nuttin’!

Really? You want to go there? You are joking, right? Spain was effectively kicked out of Mexico by France before the aforementioned war, so why not call it the French-American War? Wars are usually defined by political boundries in the modern era, and not by the ethnic makeup of it’s inhabitants. Come on, rick! My masters in history was not fur nuttin’!

Dallin, he didnt go through them for nothing. He had supreme power and ingluence, with no accountability. He had relations with women the youngest being 15, thinking if he planted his seed they would be with him in the afterlife. The bible says to examine fruit, and they will reveal tgemselves. Joseph Smith was a wolf in wheels clothing

Dallin, he didnt go through them for nothing. He had supreme power and ingluence, with no accountability. He had relations with women the youngest being 15, thinking if he planted his seed they would be with him in the afterlife. The bible says to examine fruit, and they will reveal tgemselves. Joseph Smith was a wolf in wheels clothing

Well I’m impressed at least with your convictions, although the true church of God founded by Christ himself, reveals our nation is a very special place and our people have a long history with him, even though the great majority of our people do not understand that relationship. But our American journey with God, is well documented throughout the bible. Most of us simply refuse to look or prove things for themselves, electing the easy road of following smooth talking men, having clever sounding speech is where most of our fellows have traveled. Never follow a man, it will get one in trouble every time – but set your eyes on high for the true light of Gods word.

As I stated (above post), there is much written about our people and much of it is yet future. Our nation is in deep trouble and we will soon be faced with problems never thought possible. If these soon coming events do not turn our nation to God – then things will go from bad to worse. The good news after all is said and done – all men will know God and will repent of their stiff-necked and stubborn ways.

Christ’s kingdom is not of this age, although his coming kingdom will soon encompass the whole earth. Afterwards, the Father will also make his home here on the earth and it will become the center of Godly power forever and ever throughout all eternity.

Well I’m impressed at least with your convictions, although the true church of God founded by Christ himself, reveals our nation is a very special place and our people have a long history with him, even though the great majority of our people do not understand that relationship. But our American journey with God, is well documented throughout the bible. Most of us simply refuse to look or prove things for themselves, electing the easy road of following smooth talking men, having clever sounding speech is where most of our fellows have traveled. Never follow a man, it will get one in trouble every time – but set your eyes on high for the true light of Gods word.

As I stated (above post), there is much written about our people and much of it is yet future. Our nation is in deep trouble and we will soon be faced with problems never thought possible. If these soon coming events do not turn our nation to God – then things will go from bad to worse. The good news after all is said and done – all men will know God and will repent of their stiff-necked and stubborn ways.

Christ’s kingdom is not of this age, although his coming kingdom will soon encompass the whole earth. Afterwards, the Father will also make his home here on the earth and it will become the center of Godly power forever and ever throughout all eternity.

Read the rest of that scripture please. That is not a command, and is misinterpreted by almost anyone who reads their Bible one verse at a time.

Read the rest of that scripture please. That is not a command, and is misinterpreted by almost anyone who reads their Bible one verse at a time.

Welcome to the conversaton. You are loved regardless of your vile remarks. God loves you…and I’m working on it. Nobody’s perfect!

Welcome to the conversaton. You are loved regardless of your vile remarks. God loves you…and I’m working on it. Nobody’s perfect!

Jesus was with God in the beginning. He is the Word. in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God.

Jesus was with God in the beginning. He is the Word. in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God.

Glenn, I have friends that are Mormon (LDS). They are some of the nicest most gracious people I know. I didn’t know that you were of the Mormon Faith. I would never have guessed, but I typically don’t judge people by what they believe or their Faith. I am a Catholic, and I think that people misjudge your faith. It’s sad. I love how you explain to us that are so unaware. THANKS!

Glenn, I have friends that are Mormon (LDS). They are some of the nicest most gracious people I know. I didn’t know that you were of the Mormon Faith. I would never have guessed, but I typically don’t judge people by what they believe or their Faith. I am a Catholic, and I think that people misjudge your faith. It’s sad. I love how you explain to us that are so unaware. THANKS!

The Book of Mormon mentions Christ by name and his divinity 476 times, almost once per page.
2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God: for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”

The angel that appeared to Joseph Smith taught absolutely nothing but the pure gospel of Jesus Christ that was lost after the death of his apostles and the loss of truth during the dark ages.

I wholeheartedly agree that there is “no other way to the Father or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ.” Alma 38:9

The Book of Mormon mentions Christ by name and his divinity 476 times, almost once per page.
2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God: for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”

The angel that appeared to Joseph Smith taught absolutely nothing but the pure gospel of Jesus Christ that was lost after the death of his apostles and the loss of truth during the dark ages.

I wholeheartedly agree that there is “no other way to the Father or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ.” Alma 38:9

“The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.” – Fascinating. You mean like Macaroni does at the end of da BoM? Or like Psychics and Mediums do? Probably just like the girl in Acts 16 too?

Don’t you know Mark 13:22? That stuff only works on the weak minded. The funny thing about spiritual depth, is that it cannot be perceived by those who cannot swim. Mark 4:11-12

“The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.” – Fascinating. You mean like Macaroni does at the end of da BoM? Or like Psychics and Mediums do? Probably just like the girl in Acts 16 too?

Don’t you know Mark 13:22? That stuff only works on the weak minded. The funny thing about spiritual depth, is that it cannot be perceived by those who cannot swim. Mark 4:11-12

do not forget, they believe that one day they will be a God of their own universe. They do not believe in Jesus Christ like christians believe in Jesus Christ. Don’t let the use of the same “words” christians use that they are the same.

do not forget, they believe that one day they will be a God of their own universe. They do not believe in Jesus Christ like christians believe in Jesus Christ. Don’t let the use of the same “words” christians use that they are the same.

Amen…nicely put…there is only one writer of the Bible…it is clearly stated…do not add or subtract from this book as the Mormon faith has thru Joe…
Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Ecclesiastics 3:14, Revelation 22:18- so if this is an additional book by some one led by Satan who knows the scriptures well…why didn’t the Mormon faith question it based on sound doctrine that they already had? Why didn’t they test it? I have no doubt Morman people are gracious, kind, and loving…but get the truth….he got a vision from the great deceiver to write a book, lead Christians away by slightly changing things enough so you would believe them to be true, and it worked…

Amen…nicely put…there is only one writer of the Bible…it is clearly stated…do not add or subtract from this book as the Mormon faith has thru Joe…
Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Ecclesiastics 3:14, Revelation 22:18- so if this is an additional book by some one led by Satan who knows the scriptures well…why didn’t the Mormon faith question it based on sound doctrine that they already had? Why didn’t they test it? I have no doubt Morman people are gracious, kind, and loving…but get the truth….he got a vision from the great deceiver to write a book, lead Christians away by slightly changing things enough so you would believe them to be true, and it worked…

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon451.htm

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon451.htm

God is life, God is energy, God is Matter. God is capable of Creation, Renewal, and Destruction. God the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil. Since the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil, He can and he has created both Jesus and Lucifer.

Jesus, like the Great Eternal Father, is also capable of both Good and Evil. For instance, today, we have totally created him in our image. So in response he has become what the majority of Christians believe he is — a God of War.

God is life, God is energy, God is Matter. God is capable of Creation, Renewal, and Destruction. God the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil. Since the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil, He can and he has created both Jesus and Lucifer.

Jesus, like the Great Eternal Father, is also capable of both Good and Evil. For instance, today, we have totally created him in our image. So in response he has become what the majority of Christians believe he is — a God of War.

It was great. If only now he could expose the truth about Obama and what he believes….

It was great. If only now he could expose the truth about Obama and what he believes….

Oh my…I must respectfully and most fervently disagree.

Mosiah 14:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Alma 21:9
Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.

These are two of hundreds that reference Christ and of close to as many that speak of his death and sacrifice, resurrection, and Glory. All you have to do is look in the index at the back of the B of M and there is page after page of scriptures listed that are on Christ and any topic you can imagine that has to do with him. They also list similar scriptures in the bible where you can find the same information…it is all cross referenced. I invite you to get a free copy, not to convert you, but just so you can see that we truly are a Christ centered faith. It is also available to read or listen to online…you can even put in topics and it will find the scriptures for you. http://mormon.org/free-book-of-mormon/ Not only have I read hours worth of scriptures studying about how amazing and selfless our savior was/is, I have also sat through discussions every Sunday in almost every meeting learning and pondering more. Every tenet of our faith connects back to him…he is our cornerstone.

Oh my…I must respectfully and most fervently disagree.

Mosiah 14:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Alma 21:9
Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.

These are two of hundreds that reference Christ and of close to as many that speak of his death and sacrifice, resurrection, and Glory. All you have to do is look in the index at the back of the B of M and there is page after page of scriptures listed that are on Christ and any topic you can imagine that has to do with him. They also list similar scriptures in the bible where you can find the same information…it is all cross referenced. I invite you to get a free copy, not to convert you, but just so you can see that we truly are a Christ centered faith. It is also available to read or listen to online…you can even put in topics and it will find the scriptures for you. http://mormon.org/free-book-of-mormon/ Not only have I read hours worth of scriptures studying about how amazing and selfless our savior was/is, I have also sat through discussions every Sunday in almost every meeting learning and pondering more. Every tenet of our faith connects back to him…he is our cornerstone.

I haven’t read the Book of Mormon, and I don’t plan to, but I agree that the Bible is the only inspired Word of God. I don’t doubt Glen Beck’s sincerity. I do hope and pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus, the living and divine only Son of God. He is part of the trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and has always existed. We cannot become gods. We can not save ourselves and we are all sinners. Only by trusting in Jesus who died on the cross for our sins, believing He is the only way to salvation, and having accepted Him as our Savior, can one be saved. We can’t earn it, we don’t deserve it. God provided a way for us because He loves us soooo much. Praise God. Believe Him, invite Him to be your LORD and Savior. Ask for forgiveness and confess you are a sinner and that you need His saving grace. He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice on the cross. He could have saved Himself, He did no wrong. He came to save us. His blood is powerful enough to wash away all of our sins.

I haven’t read the Book of Mormon, and I don’t plan to, but I agree that the Bible is the only inspired Word of God. I don’t doubt Glen Beck’s sincerity. I do hope and pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus, the living and divine only Son of God. He is part of the trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and has always existed. We cannot become gods. We can not save ourselves and we are all sinners. Only by trusting in Jesus who died on the cross for our sins, believing He is the only way to salvation, and having accepted Him as our Savior, can one be saved. We can’t earn it, we don’t deserve it. God provided a way for us because He loves us soooo much. Praise God. Believe Him, invite Him to be your LORD and Savior. Ask for forgiveness and confess you are a sinner and that you need His saving grace. He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice on the cross. He could have saved Himself, He did no wrong. He came to save us. His blood is powerful enough to wash away all of our sins.

Second Nephi 25: 12 But, behold, they shall have awars, and rumors of wars; and when the day cometh that the bOnly Begotten of the Father, yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall cmanifest
himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because
of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness
of their necks.
13 Behold, they will acrucify him; and after he is laid in a bsepulchre for the space of cthree days he shall drise
from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall
believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my
soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have eseen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.

Actually, there is more of Christ in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible, and the sufferings and death which Christ suffers on behalf of those who will believe on His name is plain and pure to the understanding.

Second Nephi 25: 12 But, behold, they shall have awars, and rumors of wars; and when the day cometh that the bOnly Begotten of the Father, yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall cmanifest
himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because
of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness
of their necks.
13 Behold, they will acrucify him; and after he is laid in a bsepulchre for the space of cthree days he shall drise
from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall
believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my
soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have eseen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.

Actually, there is more of Christ in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible, and the sufferings and death which Christ suffers on behalf of those who will believe on His name is plain and pure to the understanding.

Dillon, I do believe that many mormons are saved, but not many. Who do they say Christ is? Who do they say God is? They believe that they will one day be a god, so that isn’t what is taught at my church. I love love love Glen Beck as a person and I am praying that he is a true believe of Christ. I pray that one day he will believe that Jesus died on the Christ for his sins and because of that and only that he will spend eternity with God his creator, not in his own universe where he is God.

Dillon, I do believe that many mormons are saved, but not many. Who do they say Christ is? Who do they say God is? They believe that they will one day be a god, so that isn’t what is taught at my church. I love love love Glen Beck as a person and I am praying that he is a true believe of Christ. I pray that one day he will believe that Jesus died on the Christ for his sins and because of that and only that he will spend eternity with God his creator, not in his own universe where he is God.

Again…who made you the judge of me? Have you never heard of “Judge not. lest ye be judged?” You have quite an ego there, CelSmack. Apparently you think everyone loves Mormons. We take up that “cross” willingly, and we are hated for it. You have no idea of the magnitude of that , because it is YOU that is doing the hating. What you are doing is shameful. If you had the love of Christ in your heart, you would realize the wrongness of this tirade, and stop, but you sit in judgment of me and all else, because of your sanctimonious point of view. No, it is you that is amazing and shameful all at the same time. And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace alone. No, my friend, we are saved by the grace of our Lord, faith in Him, and by doing His will on earth, and that is by doing good deeds and helping our fellow man. No, not alone will it save me, but without the acts, the grace and faith are meaningless. Without the faith, the acts are meaningless. By the hardness of your heart, you are being led by the adversary into oblivion. I pray you will wake in time to become as a child and submit to God’s will, instead of placing yourself in a place of importance, and in judgment of others that displease you or your point of view. I still love you and pray for you. Be happy and well.

Again…who made you the judge of me? Have you never heard of “Judge not. lest ye be judged?” You have quite an ego there, CelSmack. Apparently you think everyone loves Mormons. We take up that “cross” willingly, and we are hated for it. You have no idea of the magnitude of that , because it is YOU that is doing the hating. What you are doing is shameful. If you had the love of Christ in your heart, you would realize the wrongness of this tirade, and stop, but you sit in judgment of me and all else, because of your sanctimonious point of view. No, it is you that is amazing and shameful all at the same time. And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace alone. No, my friend, we are saved by the grace of our Lord, faith in Him, and by doing His will on earth, and that is by doing good deeds and helping our fellow man. No, not alone will it save me, but without the acts, the grace and faith are meaningless. Without the faith, the acts are meaningless. By the hardness of your heart, you are being led by the adversary into oblivion. I pray you will wake in time to become as a child and submit to God’s will, instead of placing yourself in a place of importance, and in judgment of others that displease you or your point of view. I still love you and pray for you. Be happy and well.

Glenn, I love you so much but please please send some time looking at what the bible says and look at what the mormon church is teaching. It boils down to who do you say Jesus Christ is and what is His purpose. You are so so smart and have done more for this country than anyone has since Ronald Regan. Please start searching.

Glenn, I love you so much but please please send some time looking at what the bible says and look at what the mormon church is teaching. It boils down to who do you say Jesus Christ is and what is His purpose. You are so so smart and have done more for this country than anyone has since Ronald Regan. Please start searching.

I’m not to say whether any specific Mormon is “saved” and am surely not judging. The main issues I have a problem with would be the works based salvation, the belief that Jesus dying on the cross is NOT enough to get you into heaven (works), etc.

I’m not to say whether any specific Mormon is “saved” and am surely not judging. The main issues I have a problem with would be the works based salvation, the belief that Jesus dying on the cross is NOT enough to get you into heaven (works), etc.

Donna, I implore you to never doubt yourself the truth of Mark 13:22. You do not need to be afraid of the words that deceive. If you do not know them you have no credibility. These guys will move on shortly, their franchise relies on the uninformed and unprotected minds. Perhaps God has not called you to discuss these things, and fair enough, but do not buy superstitions that give power to the devil. Satan has no authority over your mind. Even if you are reading da BoM as I like to call it. It has had a devastating effect, true. Drawing people away with hopes of an eternal game of Sim City instead of eternal fellowship with our Creator. However, who knows, perhaps simple and ambiguous “presence with God” would have never been enough for them anyway. As God truly is our creator, was not created. He is the Alpha and Omega. Jesus is His ONLY son, meaning that satan is NOT his “brother” … God is NOT a man that He should lie. Another deception of da BoM. Amen, God knew liars would come, and we have enough with the Bible alone to rebuke the deceiver.

I suggest that you plan to read da BoM Donna. You will be amazed at how powerful the Spirit of God in you is… You will look forward to conversations with these kids on their 2 year missionary services. You will learn to get to the point quickly, before their training kicks in and they flee for the advice of an “elder”. God bless ‘em.

Donna, I implore you to never doubt yourself the truth of Mark 13:22. You do not need to be afraid of the words that deceive. If you do not know them you have no credibility. These guys will move on shortly, their franchise relies on the uninformed and unprotected minds. Perhaps God has not called you to discuss these things, and fair enough, but do not buy superstitions that give power to the devil. Satan has no authority over your mind. Even if you are reading da BoM as I like to call it. It has had a devastating effect, true. Drawing people away with hopes of an eternal game of Sim City instead of eternal fellowship with our Creator. However, who knows, perhaps simple and ambiguous “presence with God” would have never been enough for them anyway. As God truly is our creator, was not created. He is the Alpha and Omega. Jesus is His ONLY son, meaning that satan is NOT his “brother” … God is NOT a man that He should lie. Another deception of da BoM. Amen, God knew liars would come, and we have enough with the Bible alone to rebuke the deceiver.

I suggest that you plan to read da BoM Donna. You will be amazed at how powerful the Spirit of God in you is… You will look forward to conversations with these kids on their 2 year missionary services. You will learn to get to the point quickly, before their training kicks in and they flee for the advice of an “elder”. God bless ‘em.

I think you need to do a little more research before putting your foot in your own mouth.

I think you need to do a little more research before putting your foot in your own mouth.

You mean the book of Breathings, and the Hypocephalus? Or the fact that you believe that the Book of Mormon is pure Fiction? Have you ever read the Book of Mormon and compared it to the news you get everyday?

How come you won’t do your own research? Have you ever questioned the assertion that Joseph Smith was a con man? Or do you just blindly believe what your professor said? Are you so blind that you won’t apply the Scientific Method to your pastors’ claims? Be skeptical and investigate the full truth of the matter. Test your pastors’ claims for yourself as a Scientist would.

Jesus did not create Satan the Devil, nor is Satan the brother of Christ nor is he a son of God and never will be.

The angels were created long before humans – at no time does God call them sons. Although created perfect, the angels were given the job of proving obedience toward God on this very earth. They (one third) utterly failed the task and God realized then and there, that the only ‘being’ who could ever be depended upon to never ever sin – was a GOD BEING.

Using mankind, God is now in the process of recreating himself. We are mortal beings (at present) but will be adopted as sons if born again in Gods kingdom. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit – literally meaning – true sons of God – Yes, God will have new born family members included in his kingdom, they will also be known as God.

Satan is the creator of Satan, before his fall from grace, sin was never known. God does not create sin, nor sinners – Satan is the father of lies and he is also the god of this world. So says your bible – (Gods word in print)

Body, soul, and spirit….you are three in one…

Christ Himself my friend. It’s not ego, it comes from reading the whole Bible instead of memorizing a verse taken out of context. Jason, slow down there buddy, you will rightfully be rebuked by your elders for your response here. Remember, your training young man.

Any actual Christians reading this that like to read this looks interesting: http://www.bibleteacher.org/Judging.htm

Particularly: We are to rightly judge the doctrinal teaching of
preachers and teachers by God’s Word (Matthew
7:15-20; Acts 17:10-11; 1 Corinthians 14:29; Titus 1:10-16; 3:10; Hebrews
13:7; 1 John 4:1; Revelation 2:20-24). Peter and John both told
the Jewish leaders to judge what they were saying to see if it was true
or not according to God’s Word (Acts 4:19).
Paul tells the Corinthians to judge what he was saying (1
Corinthians 10:15).

“Do not judge” is a favorite last word of people who have no other answer for their actions. Almost like the would prefer a population of people that entirely lack judgement. Which of course they do, because then they could lead them around like sheep, or I should say goats.

Well said. His work is finished. We can’t add to it. We only believe to accept what he has already done.

What do you think Isaiah’s “son of the morning” label was talking about then? Satan is a son of the morning, meaning he is one of the eldest of Heavenly Father’s spirit children. As Jesus Christ is the Eldest, and is also a son of the morning, that makes them brothers. And that is Biblical doctrine. So please, read it for yourself instead of taking anyone else’s word for it.

I have no problem with Mormon’s and Mormonism. No more than I do with Buddhists, Hindus, etc. But in the same way, it is fundamentally in disagreement with explicit Biblical truths. Though there are many similarities, the differences are impossible to overlook and we cannot claim “kinship”. We claim a different God, a different Salvation, and a different eternal destination. Though the same words are used, their definitions are diametrically opposed. As Glenn is well aware, the great tricks of the progressives in our culture today is to co-opt important words with a new definition and most be people will be none the wiser.

The questions I would be interested hearing answered by someone like Beck are;

1) Was God at one point a “man” who became a God, AND, are we potentially going to be become “gods” ourselves who will populate our own planets?
2) Is there only one eternal God who is in three Distinct persons the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? (basic trinitarianism) Not three different Gods, but ONE God in three persons.
3) Biblical teaching is that Satan is a fallen angel, not a “son” of God and Jesus’ brother, where does the “new” Mormon understanding come from when it is in direct conflict with the Old and New Testaments?
4) How can the Book of Mormon be a new Testament of Christ when it contradicts in many fundamental ways the Old and New Testament? Either the Old and New Testaments are completely unreliable because they god so many basic essentials “wrong”, or the Book of Mormon is wrong, it is intellectually impossible to hold both.
5) The book of Mormon states that salvation is NOT by faith alone(2 Nephi 25:23, Moroni 10:32) while the New Testament clearly teaches that salvation is by faith alone. Why the difference?
6) Mormons claim the bible to be true where it is “reliably” translated…..what hermeneutic do they use to decide what parts are inconsistent or untrue in the bible?

This is clearly not an exhaustive list of questions, but some heavy hitters that are never addressed and that Glenn did not address here. Looking forward to an answer.

I try every day, to be the best I can be. I’m not perfect, but I strive for perfection in all that I do. This country was founded upon Freedom of Religion. Why are there so many haters?

God is not evil – nor is he capable of evil. Does he reserve the right for the wrath of righteous indignation – of course – but that is not sin either. That is corrective punishment done in love, aimed at mankind who brought upon himself his own sins, or transgression of Gods word.

One of the younger guys got too fired up below and admitted this: “And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace
alone. No, my friend” … Despite Ephesians 2:8-10 which fully in context states exactly the opposite. Of course Christians know that faith without works is dead, and most probably believe that “dead faith” is not gonna get anyone into Heaven, but legalism is what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for, and yet Bro Joe decided we didn’t have enough of it in the 4 Gospels, so he wrote his own. It is infuriating that a false prophet would be adored by such nice folks.

Read James 2;17-18 it explains how Faith and works go hand in hand.

With all due respect to your own beliefs, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, I believe he came here to earth and will come again, I believe that he is my savior and redeemer and only through him can I find salvations and grace, I believe that the my Savior loves me, watches over me along with my Father in Heaven and that he wants me to love others the same way that he does, and finally, I believe that only through Jesus Christ can I repent daily of my sins and find perfection only through him. I believe that makes me a Christian and I am a Mormon. Just thought I would share my testimony of our Savior whom I love and carry in my heart daily!

It seems that you haven’t read the Book of Mormon which has Christ’s Atonement as THE message. Even the title of the book is: THE BOOK OF MORMON ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST.
I’m happy that you do believe that Mormons know and love God. The Book of Mormon along with other sacred scripture like the Bible teaches all who God is and what we are to DO to show we love God and His son, Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus was with god in the Beginning . . . as were many other spirit children including Michael the archangel. As for Matthew’s reference to “the word was God” you’ll find that that translation does not mean exactly what it sounds like when compared to the original manuscripts.
“the word was God” is a reference to the fact that Jesus was of the same mind as God, that they were “one” in purpose. (As opposed to Satan who was not one with God, and who in fact rebelled trying to take away choice and bring himself the Glory that was God’s)

This same principle is more clearly explained in Jesus’s great intercessory prayer in John 17. Jesus prayed that those that believe in him would be “One” even as He and his father are “one”. Now, if you take the trinitarian view, was he saying that all believers will eventually be physically combined to become “one” with God, or did the prayer simply mean that we should all be of one mind, with an eye single to the Glory of God, keeping the commandments and relying on the grace of Christ to bring us back to God?

I have listened to the above videos,
read the comments below and have been anxious to “type”. As a child,
my parents raised me in the Methodist doctrine (very common southeastern USA
much like Baptist). As a teenager, I entered a world of alcoholism of which I
knew nothing about. I drank beer daily for 31 years and during that time, ethyl
alcohol was my God. Most of those years were good but the last two I crossed an
invisible line I did not know existed into chronic/acute alcoholism and experienced
two very bad/hard years which nearly cost me my life let alone all possessions,
career, family, yadda, yadda. I have now been sober a little more than 11 years
with a sobriety date of July 5, 2001 and am grateful for every day since.

The first couple of years of sobriety were challenging enough but soon I began
to feel empty and the desire to “search” came upon me. I really did not know how to “term” this
other than to say I was “seeking God’s truth”, whatever that was. Lacking any
other knowledge, I went to the Methodist church (an offspring of the Catholic Church). I quickly realized that is not where I needed
to be, it left me feeling “empty”.

I had nothing to guide me other than prayer which is what I began to do. I prayed only for God to show me his “Truth,
whatever that was”. I attended a
multitude of faiths and doctrines, again, most leaving me feeling “empty”. Now before I go any further, I do want to
state that I have an abundance of respect for all faiths and admire anyone that
is willing to search outside of themselves for “answers”. I judge no one.

I finally stumbled upon the “Church of God”.
The COG, today, is quite complicated with a very complex history. There are many “sects”, I suppose you might
say. It would be easy for an outsider to
judge the COG harshly, it is necessary to “learn” the COG. I stumbled onto two “chapters”, I suppose you
might say, that I have personally gotten a lot from; the United Church of God
and the Philadelphia Church of God. I
would never try to say this is right for anyone else, I just know that the “hole”
I was trying to fill has truly been “fed” from these sources.

I have been through enough to see how easy it is for an “outsider” to make judgments
of which they actually know nothing about.
I’m sure this has been true for followers of LDS. I would have only one phrase to offer, “a
very difficult path seems to produce truly wonderful people”. I know very little, if anything, of the LDS
but I have seen and heard enough to know that they are very committed,
dedicated, faithful and work very diligently to strive for a better life,
family and community. That is head and
shoulders above what I mostly see of the America I once knew today and my hat
would be off to anyone “trying”.

Now to the good part… I have seen many
comments regarding Jesus, the Devil, yadda yadda and I truly like what I have
gotten from the COG. Yes, the COG will
have many doctrines that many will “scoff” at such as Saturday Sabbaths, Gods
Holy Days and Festivals, and so on. I
want go into much of that other than to say the COG can back everything they do
up with actual, REAL verses from the KJV of the Holy Bible. As far as I am concerned, enough said.

I saw a comment earlier that I have been itching to discuss. “How does one know with certainty the accuracy
of the Bible”? The answer is quite
simple, approximately 1/3 of the bible is prophecy and is God’s Word where he
knows the ending from the beginning.
Fulfilled prophecy authenticates, at least for us believers, the
authority and legitimacy of God. Many
bible students could point to many numerous verses of biblical fulfilled
prophecy. I have been anxious to point
out prophecy that is actually being fulfilled right this moment and I was
spurred to do so from other writers in this space. Daniel 11 and 12 is where I want to direct
the focus and in particular, 11:42 and 43.
This section is about the “End Time” King of the South as well as Iran, Egypt,
Libya and Ethiopia. (This is exciting!).

Only a short year and a half ago, would anyone ever have thought or believed
that Egypt would cease to be a US ally?
Think about it? Egypt was the
Bush administrations ace in the hole for terrorist interrogations. The United States has given about a billion
and a half dollars each year, straight into Egypt’s military ever since Jimmy
Carter assisted with the Egypt/Israel peace treaty. Before the wonderful Arab spring, it was
unthinkable to “loose” Egypt. But what
has happened, virtually overnight?

I believe in the prophecies of the King of the North and King of the South. The big question, who or what is the “King of
the South”? Many will say Iran but
honestly, I personally think it is “Radical Islam”, perhaps headed by Iran but
I see that as insignificant. The NOW
forming alliance of Egypt, Iran, Libya and Ethiopia is UNDENIABLE! Most Americans are not seeing this and our
news does not talk about it but it is happening BEFORE OUR VERY EYES
TODAY! The leader of Ethiopia just died
and sources in Ethiopia are expecting radical Al-Qaeda terrorists to move into
that country soon much like the MB pounced on Egypt. Libya needs no comment.

This is fulfilled prophecy in OUR TIME and is undeniable. It is exciting to me and I desperately wanted
to share it with the conversation.

As for a Mormon in the White House? What’s
the problem? A short 4 years ago no one
seemed to have a problem with a Marxist moving into the White House.

What do you mean by divine? Better to ask the question was Christ, God in the flesh, sent to dwell with us? That, I believe, will get you a different answer from Mormons.

yes you are body, soul and spirit…three in one…just like God.

Now there is an intelligent comment *eyeroll*

I love Glenn Beck, but am concerned how a well-read man that takes such pains to know and understand history, can’t see through the veil of Mormonism. If you just read one book, the Bible, it is so clear that Christ is indeed God in the flesh and Mormons just don’t believe this. Christ said, “if you deny me, you deny the Father.” it’s pretty clear.

Joseph Smith a con man? . . . Ok, what proof do you have of that? Wouldn’t a con man be more likely to steal everyone’s money than to give his life for his testimony of God and die a poor man?
The book of Abraham . . . . so I assume you found the originals somewhere and translated them yourself? As of today, there are fragments of Dead Sea Scrolls that contain portions of the Book of Abraham, and the modern translations are very close to that Joseph translated. But a complete original doesn’t exist. So this claim of yours is just ludicrous.
The Book of Mormon being fiction? What single portion of it do you have definitive proof that it is false? Answer, none. Anti-mormons, intellectuals, atheists, and other faiths have been trying to prove it false for years, but no one has ever done so. So good luck with that.

In short, your entire post is your own opinion mixed with “sour grapes”. Why even waste your time? You really think such an incomplete rant will do anything except maybe make you feel better about yourself by tearing something else down? Well, have fun with that.

The way the Bible uses “good” and the way modern language uses good are 2 very different things. Of course none of us are “perfect” (which would have been a better translation) and we therefore need Jesus Christ. But doing good is a very real goal for anyone who claims to want to follow Christ’s example.

Having never read the Book of Mormon informs us that you do not know what Mormons believe. Stating that you “pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus” reaffirms that. Mormons accept Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of our Father in Heaven. The same Jesus who’s blood was shed for us, and was resurrected, as he suffered for our sins becoming the only true Savior. That by having faith in Jesus Christ we find salvation through Gods grace as Christ is the only way back to the Father. Maybe you should read the Book of Mormon, before telling us what we do not believe.

That simply means that there can be no ordinances performed in the resurrection. Ordinances, such as Marriage and Baptism, belong to the earthly realm.
The scripture in Matthew does not say marriage doesn’t exist in the resurrection, it says marriages are not performed there. Hence the need for temples to do proxy ordinances for those who did not have the opportunity to do them in this life.

That’s whole point he’s not a false prophet.

Who is the one writer of the Bible? Lets see, there is Abraham, Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul. Each and every book of the Bible were written as separate books. So when you bring up the Book of Revelation as saying do not add to or take away from this book, St. John was referring to the Book of Revelations and not the Bible.

For any who would like to see an official representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — an Apostle of the Lamb — explain the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, here are some beautiful remarks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxhp2HATB0&list=PL71EF3FAE00087AD7&index=2&feature=plpp_video

The titile page to the book of mormon says that it was written for the purpose of “to convince both Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, THE ETERTNAL GOD.” Mosiah 15: 1 says, “I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.”

I am so grateful that YOU will not be deciding who will be saved and who will not be saved. I am grateful that my Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died on the cross and was resurrected the third day, and suffered, bot body and spirit for my sins will be my Judge and Advocate with my Father.

God bless you Dawn DeeDee Roper, that “with that same judgement ye judge, ye shall also be judged.”

As
far as your “they will be gods” comments, I am certain that you
believe the Bible?

John 10:34 “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in
your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

Romans 8:17 “And if
children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we
suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”

If
Christ is God, and we are to be “glorified” with him and be
“joint-heirs” with him and and “heirs of God,” then I think
that you cannot see, nor hear, nor let enter into your heart the things that
God has prepared for them that love him.
God bless you to see, hear and let enter into your heart these things as you love him.

Hi Glenn-I listen to your show regularly, and think you are right on on many topics-but Mormonism is NOT one of them. I have been raised Mormon all my life-and many things you stated are just not true-I liken it to keeping the public happy as many public speakers of this faith do. #1-polygamy was said to be an inspiration from the Lord-it was an everlasting covenant-only stopped when the LDS could not get statehood until this practice was stopped..many still practised secretly and where not thought less of from the church-why do you think it is so hard to prosecute the FLDS in this teaching…at least the FLDS have kept true to their covenants and have not compromised their beliefs-not saying it is in any way right-but the Mormon people have yet to acknowledge to the public that the beliefs of the FLDS where their beliefs FIRST and they have not been swayed by the public as Mormon theology often is…they also DO believ that it was an everlasting covenant and it will be practiced agn…#2 Jesus Christ is a seperate entity in the Mormon religion-not as other Christians- as God= Jesus are one in the same-so Christians and Mormons are VERY different in that regard-but agn-this is seldom taught or preached to new converts or the general public wanting to appear truly Christian. To state my case-when I wanted to join a different sect-Babtist-they would not recognise my Mormon baptism-why??…makes you wonder…right?No other Christian religion will accept a Mormon baptism…#3 The temple-there is no need for temple ordinances to be done now that Jesus has come-he was the ultimate sacrifice and “old things are done away” as quoted from the Bible in Jesus own words…so to say that what is done in the temple is from the Bible is very false-no babtisms for the dead where done-Jesus said “let the dead bury the dead”, and marriages-which is a VERY important part in the LDS temple-where NEVER done in the temple….sacrifices where done in the temple in Moses time-and agn-no sacrifices are needed tday-as Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. That was the ONLY reason for the temples in Moses day…So alot of untruths where spoken on your show-I just wish all the Mormon people would be honest-we are free to believe in any way we see fit, so why lie to their own people and to the public abt what they truly believe-but the 1/2 truths and outright lies and trying to hide their history and placing blame-really gets old…Having said all of that-Romney really brings a fresh clean feel to the Presidency-for the first time in a long time I felt his speech was honest and full of values that he holds dear to-I havent felt that in the Government in a long time-so I would be happy if he were to become president. He just feels different-genuine. The Mormon people are genuinely good people also-have strong family values and I love them. I just hope that Romney can stay true to his principles if he should be chosen to lead our country…

I’m going to leave the judging to God. Satan is the accuser of the bretheran and is doing a fine job of it. My job is to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. No matter what you call yourself or where you worship, what is in your heart is what God cares about. There are Catholics who believe in gay unions and those who don’t, do the elements transubstantiate, how old must you be to be baptized?????? Its not what goes into you that defiles you, its what comes out. I’ve known some incredibly wonderful Mormons,Moslems and atheists, also some awfully nasty Christians. (I believe it was Ghandi who said the only thing undesirable of Christianity are the Christians.) So, that said, I believe the Body of Christ better start acting like it very quickly. Satan would just love for the toes and ear lobes to start doing their own thing and causing division and infection. God’s coming soon for His wholly pure and purely wholly bride. Let’s let Him do the cleaning. With respect, someone who’s not going to throw the first stone

Hahaha, I have to laugh every time people try to bring up Deut. 4:2 and Rev. 22:18 to “prove” that the Bible is the only word of God. How was the Bible written? Did a prophet just sit down and write the whole thing from Genesis down to Revelations all in one sitting? Of course not. It was written by dozens of inspired prophets over the course of thousands of years. The Pentateuch (or first 5 books of Moses) may be considered all part of one book as they were indeed written by one man, Moses. But the rest of them, especially the Gospels and epistles of the New Testament were all written at separate times, in separate scrolls. They weren’t combined into 1 volume until a thousand years after Christ.

So how can you claim that those scriptures are talking about “the Bible” which didn’t exist at the time? If you use your logic, then the entire Bible except for the book of Revelations, or except for Deuteronomy must be thrown out as “adding” to the book.

It’s obvious that these scriptures mean that we are not to add to the Doctrine of Christ or to the Gospel as laid out in Holy writ. And the Book of Mormon DOES NOT add to the gospel. It is simply another witness to the same Gospel teachings. And this second witness was not modified, sorted through, and changed by a thousand years of transcribing.

How many sects exist that all claim to live by the truth in the Bible? Hundreds. Yet they all base their “truth” on the Bible. Obviously, there is some confusion as to what the Bible means and the doctrines found therein. So who are you to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, cannot bring forth additional scripture to back up and clarify what the Bible as given us?

That is the role of the Book of Mormon; to join with the Bible in proving to the world that Jesus is the Christ and that his doctrine is the truth.

We have the Bible for a reason. If accepting that Christ’s sacrifice will cover all sin and it matters not what we do then why should we learn from Him, follow his teachings, keep any commandment? Of course, some religions don’t study scripture much, do they? Some don’t emphasize the commandments or teach from the Old and New testaments. Or they are very particular about being politically correct. Or preaching just the things they want.
Yet it (scripture) still exists. Some say that in order to be “saved” all one must do is believe in Jesus, yet after his baptism Christ himself said, “If a man be not born of water (baptism) and of the spirit (confirmation of the Holy Ghost)……,he can in no wise enter into Heaven.” Much Christian truth was lost in the dark ages and with so many different translations of what we know as the Holy Bible, defining truth is still left to elected religious leaders, or individual “ministers” or personal interpretation. So how do we know who is correct? Did God intend for his children to rely on some kind of collective or disparate interpretations of the Bible, without any authoritative voice?Or has He in the past set apart one or more mouthpieces?Hint;When Jesus was on the earth, He spoke for himself. He also had apostles and a prophet they called John the Baptist. What about in the Old Testament times? Who spoke for the Lord then?
Since our doctrines all differ one from another, there is either one true religion or we’re all wrong together.
I happen to be convinced that mine is the true religion. That it is lead by Jesus Christ himself through a prophet and apostles.
But if you are convinced that yours is the true religion, I respect your right to believe what you wish. That is the beauty of this nation- FREEDOM and respect for individual religious liberty.
As long as your faith inspires you to good to your neighbors and live a good life, it contains truth and the word of God. An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

@twitter-67787696:disqus Was Jesus talking to himself and seeing himself descend upon himself immediately after being immersed at his Baptism? Did Jesus always talk to himself while praying? so confusing.

I might not agree with your choice but I will respect your choice. Thanks for sharing your faith some of this stuff I did not know.

Although I am LDS, I do have to agree with you. I hate it when people try to use Matthew 7 to shut you up. It’s impossible not to judge . . . every single decision anyone makes in this life is a judgement. The choice to believe in Jesus Christ is a judgement.

Matthew 7 is a mis-translation that should read ”
Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged: but judge righteous judgment.”

On the other hand, while we do need to judge what is good and evil, you have no authority to decide what is in a man’s heart. And if someone believes in Jesus Christ as the son of God and savior of the world, then he is by definition a Christian. So it’s not up to you to say who is and isn’t, unless you profess to have God’s ability to see what is in a man’s heart.

Is this not true?
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/comparison.htm
http://mormoninfo.org/files/tracts/Eng_Differences.pdf
Issues with Monotheism Vs. Polytheism = big deal Issues with the trinity = big deal Issues with Jesus’s god head = big deal Issues with there being another prophet after Jesus = big deal
There are quite a few differences between the evangelical church and Mormonism. I love Beck to death but just like O’reilly I think they should stay off of religious topics until they look into it with the same muster they do with political issues.

And “baptism for the dead”………
lets not get started on that. http://carm.org/baptism-for-the-dead-in-1-corinthians-15-29

PR, as a Mormon, I can only say that we DO believe in the power of Jesus dying on the cross to save us. There are two deaths that His loving sacrifice saved us from- 1) physical death (we believe ALL will be resurrected to a glorified, physical body that will never taste of death again. This applies to the wicked and to the righteous), and 2) spiritual death, or separation from our Father. Saving us from spiritual death is an atoning act of grace that does all the heavy lifting for us. And all we have to do is activate that atonement in our lives. It has to be a choice. God would not force anyone to activate the atonement. It’s a bit like entering an elevator and pushing a button for the penthouse. All we do is activate the massive machinery of the elevator to physicaly lift us up to the top floor. This massive machinery is like the grace of God, and our simple little button pushing is like all the great works we could possibly do. It’s really nothing in comparison, but it tells God, “I’m accessing the “spiritual death” part of the atonement. Now I’m going to admit that sometimes memebers of the Mormon faith get carried away, thinking their little button pushing is actually doing the work. That is not the case, and is not supported by scripture or by the teachings and doctrines of the church.

There is absolutely no credible evidence of any such thing. Seriously, “exmormon.org” ? If you want to buy a Chevy, do you go as the guy at the Ford dealership about it? If you want to check out McDonalds menu, do you ask the cashier at Burger King?

Don’t be so gullible as to believe vile rumors with no credible source. That’s just ignorant.

John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

From the New Testament of the KJV of the Holy Bible.

Further study will indicate the Word was made flesh and begotten unto Mary to be born as the mortal son of God the Father.

It’s really pretty simple. I have no idea why mankind has went to such lenghts to complicate the simple Word of God.

Sometimes we need to get back to the basics…
“16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18)

The younger guy below admitted truth. Faith without works is dead. The absolutely true juxtaposition to that is that no matter how hard you work, you still need the saving grace of Christ to ascend to the Father during the resurrection of the just. Salvation is a gift, however, like any other gift, you can use it, put it away in a dark corner never to be seen again, or toss it out like common trash. If the choice of action and consequence were taken from us, there would be no point in us being born on earth to develop to our divine potential. That, Celebrity, it what I know to be true as a Latter Day Saint (Mormon).

Dawn, I’ve heard Glenn’s conversion story. He probably put more research into the Mormon church than he has into any other thing. It isn’t as though he joined on a whim. Believe me, when joining a certain religion causes your friends and family to suspect that you are brainwashed, an idiot, or just insane; when you have to be willing to give up your coffee and alcohol, Sunday shopping and recreation, and spend a MINIMUM of 3 hours in church each week; and when joining that church means that you are expected to carry some responsibility for the temporal and spiritual welfare of your fellow congregants and that you are commanded to pay 10% of your salary to the church……when you know that, then you do some research. And if you’re Beck, you do a ton of research.
Give the man some credit. This is Glenn Beck. He’s hardly an “I’ll take your word for it” kind of guy.
For the record, though I grew up Christian, being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has instilled in me a love for and understanding of the Old and New Testaments that I never had had previously. It has filled me with a desire to know the Savior and to live as he did and do what he taught.
Go to lds.org. Research first-hand the Church’s teachings on whatever you think is contrary to the biblical teachings of or about Christ. I’ll bet you’ll be surprised.

The words quoted by Jesus in John 10:34 are from Psalm 82:6. The pertinent section reads as follows:

I said, “You are gods,And all of you are sons of the Most High.Nevertheless you will die like menAnd fall like any one of the princes.”

Question if it was well known at the time that men could become a god why did they pick up stones to stone Jesus? Seems pointless and obvious.

Lastly Romans doesn’t prove that a good enough person could become a god. Joint heirs does not mean also in power.

I think everyone cleared up the misunderstanding of the Book of Mormon and it’s reference to Christ, so I would like to address your comment about how we believe in WORKS. We are not so arrogant as to believe that we can save ourselves by the works that we do in this life here on earth. We know that it is ONLY through the GRACE of God that we are saved after all that we can DO. Because without His grace, despite all of our good works, we are still imperfect beings and would not be worthy to enter the Father’s presence without it. But we do believe that we have to show the Lord that we are serious about our devotion to Him through our works. We can’t just say “I believe” and be saved. We have to show Him through our ACTIONS that we believe and that we will live our lives the best that we can, striving to live up to His commandments.
James 2
14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
17. Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone.
18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
26. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

This is what we believe about works. Don’t all Christians believe the same? It is in the Bible. We can’t just say we believe in Jesus Christ, we have to have the works to be justified in our faith. We know and believe that it is because of the grace of God that we are saved, but only after we have done all that we could. Why should God save someone who doesn’t show their devotion, their faith through their works? Would it be right for someone who spoke in the name of Christ, saying that they were His disciple and yet went about doing harm to his fellow man, lying, cheating, committing adultery, etc. (referring to someone who is unpenitant) be put in the same heaven as someone who lived their life faithful and devoted to the Lord doing good works? We must do more than say we follow Christ, we must actually DO so.
Isaiah 29: 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me…

Not true, there were a devout group of Christians more than 100 years before the coming of Christ. And while they lived and obeyed the Law of Moses, because that was the law of God in effect at the time, they looked forward to the coming of Christ. They knew his name. They knew he would be born near Jerusalem to a virgin named Mary. They knew he would be God’s son and that he would live a perfect life. They knew he would fulfill the law of Moses and became the perfect sacrificial lamb to take away the sins of the world and save all those who believe in him.

These Christians were led by a prophet of God and had access to his truth via revelation, just as all the prophets throughout history have had. These people were Christians in word and deed because they exercised faith in Jesus Christ even before he came to the earth. And their story is found in the Book of Mormon. A book that has never been proven false by either theologian, historian, or scientist. A book that when used along side the Bible clarifies and strengthens God’s word.

You continue to think yourself superior and feel confidence in your intelligence. I will put my trust in God and the love he has for all people. I will continue to listen to ALL his words, not just those that are recorded in one single volume.

p.s. @ Jason Young. There comes a point when trying to argue with this type of person just brings contention. You know what you know, you know that your knowledge was confirmed to you by the Holy Ghost. So explain things as far as you can to people, and bear your testimony; but when they shut their ears and minds to truth there’s nothing more you can do. It’s simply a shame they think they’re covered with such a small percentage of God’s word.

(we believe ALL will be resurrected to a glorified, physical body that will never taste of death again. This applies to the wicked and to the righteous)…but you do agree this “glorified physical body” for some will burn in hell?

Thank’s for that. You have answered so many of my questions!

read the story of an evangelical pastor for 27 yrs who recently converted to mormonism. tomscottitstrue.blogspot.com

Dawn, Mormons (including Glen Beck) believe that Christ died for all of our sins, not just a mormon’s sins. It is a free gift he gave to all so that we may repent and return to his presence to live with him again someday. Christ is the center of the LDS church and we strive to follow his example in our ever day actions. No one is perfect. That is why we have repentance and why we are so very thankful that we have our Savior Jesus Christ to help us.

You are incredibly misinformed Travis. Archaeology confirms the stories in the Book of Mormon, not the other way around.

The Jesus worshiped by the LDS church is the Jesus of the Bible. The difference in beliefs were introduced well after the Bible was written. Your Jesus was concocted in the Nicene Council 300 years after Christ when the political and cultural leaders of the day met together to “vote” on truth rather than praying to God to reveal it. As a result, they got it wrong and condemned good people for 1500+ years to an incorrect understanding of God’s.
You will find nothing in LDS doctrine that is contradicted in the Bible itself. Only in certain people comprehension or understanding of the Bible. That their understanding is based on the ideas of Men, not on the Revelations of God.

The problem is.. You don’t believe in the same Jesus Christ as Traditional Christians do… You can use the name Jesus Christ in this manor and people don’t question it because it sounds like a christian statment… but your Jesus Christ and Christians Jesus Christ are two different people. You believe in a different God, a God who contridicts who the Bible says he is.
Just the sheer fact that you say Jesus gives you Grace, and that he gives you the right to repent daily condridict eachother.
Mormons are not Christians, they have good qualities but it makes me sad to read all these posts saying how the book of mormon trumps the bible.. But the bible is certifiable, it is Gods word.. we have many proofs of Biblical writtings… and absolutely none which certify the BOM.
as far as polygamy goes, it is still practiced in the mainstreem church just only threw temple marraiges, for now.. read D&C 132.. Want to know the truth go to Deseret book, and pick up the original BOM uncut pages. compair it to your current book… over 4000 changes not jut in spelling and grammar, but also in doctrine too.

Amen

Maybe you should read the Bible again in its entirety and not just cherry pick verses that seem to say something that they don’t really say.

If Jesus and God the Father are “one flesh”, then please explain to me the Intercessory prayer in John 17. Jesus prays to the father that those who believe in him “may be one even as we are one”. So, if Jesus and the father are one flesh, does that mean he is praying that all people who believe in him will become part of that same “one flesh”? Seems like a pretty idiotic doctrine to me. Jesus and God are one in mind, power, authority, desire, etc. But they are not physically the same being.

Well done Glenn. Not too many times when you see articles about Mormons that the comments in favor of them. You have truly helped many people have a better understand of our church and our beliefs. I know you never had the opportunity to serve a mission but what you did in this show was truly missionary work at its best. Thank you. You make me want to be a better Latter-Day Saint.

In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (The Mormons) we believe in the Godhead…(God our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost) See Matthew 3:16-17. We believe they are three seperate and distinct beings. Our Heavenly Father (God) created all of us as spirit children in Heaven, including Jesus and Satan. Before coming to this earth to receive a body we all lived together in Heaven. God did not and still does not create evil. God gave us free agency to choose right (good) or wrong (evil). Satan chose the wrong. Jesus chose the right in order to help us follow the right path back to God our Heavenly Father. We still have free agency here on earth and can choose to follow Satan or Jesus Christ.

That is so untrue! I became a”born again Christian” when I was 28 and after quite a few years felt that something was missing. I starting praying to the one and only God that he would show me the truth and lead me to where He wanted me to be. I prayed this almost non-stop for 3 months and guess where He led me………to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. When I walked through the doors one Sunday morning I literally felarms around me and the knowledge that I had come home.That was 9 rears ago and I have no regrets.

The Book of Mormon does mention Jesus Christ and does so all through it! Please, know the facts before posting your own theories or, to put it ot there straight to you, your own ignorance! Thank you!

I know what a body is and what a spirit is. What is a soul?

The Bible states, “faith without works is dead”. That is what we do. We try to emulate Christ.

“Ye do err, not knowing the scripture”. In John 10:34-35 it is written, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;….”. The Savior was quoting from Psalsm 82:6 : “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” So, please don’t have an issue with Mormons for believing what the Savior taught. Don’t puppies grow up to be dogs, and kittens grow up to be cats? Why would He call us His children, and then tell us to be like our Father, which is in Heaven? In the course of eternal life, and in the millions of years ahead of us, can’t we become more like Him? And if that is true, we will never surpass Him, for He will always be as far ahead of us as He is now. “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”

The Book of Mormon mentions Jesus Christ on almost every page. It is another testament of Jesus Christ and stands as a second witness to the Bible of Him.
Here as just a few examples of verses in the Book of Mormon:

“Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
And now, behold..this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost…” 2 Nephi 31:20-21

“…feast upon the words of Christ; for behold the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.” 2 Nephi 32:3

“For, for this intent have we written these things, that they may know that we know of Christ, and we had a hope of his glory many hundred years before his coming; and not only we ourselves had a hope of his glory, but also all the holy prophets which were before us.” Jacob 4:4

“And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” 2 Nephi 25:26

That is just a few examples. There are so many references to Christ in the Book of Mormon and I know that it is the word of God.

Most of these posts show that very few people have a real understanding of what Christians believe and certainly do not know what Mormons believe. It’ not THAT you believe, it’s WHAT you believe. I have Mormon relatives who are kind and caring, hold to a certain moral standard, and are very religious. But the God they believe in is definitely not the God of the Bible. If you doubt this, pick up any one of a number of books by former Mormons and learn the shocking truth!

How can you say we don’t believe in the same Jesus Christ? How many are there? We believe that there is only one Only Begotten Son of the Father. Mormons are indeed Christians. We believe in Christ, we teach of Christ, we are disciples of Christ. We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. What did you say the name of your church is? Is it called after His name, or the name of some other? We also beleve the Bible to be the Word of God, as far as it is translated correctly. And, yes, we do believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, as it is another testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Chrit. It is absolutely not true that polygamy is practiced in the mainstream church, which is at least the 3rd falsehood you’ve mentioned. And if you’re going to lie to everyone about that, what else will you lie about?

Great site is http://www.MRM.org. Very well documented. And if you are forever in all of eternity with your family, where do the inlaws live?

Mormons do believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They do not believe in a 3 in 1 scenario. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is a separate and distinct being, and that God is His Father. That they are one in mind & purpose, but physically separate beings. Not sure what is so weird about that. I actually think it makes a lot of sense.

There’s no problem here Natalee. Terri R spoke truth. But you may have a prejudice that does not allow you to accept a Mormon’s declaration of faith in Jesus Christ.

Exactly, that’s why David Johnson, the Book of Mormon has text below the title that says “ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST”. The whole thing is about Chris and more of his teachings.

Actually, I find it hard to believe a 14 yr old boy could write a book of scripture in a short period of time, all alone, for one. But, the Book of Mormon does not trump the Bible, it works hand in hand with it. It in no way disputes what happened in the Bible but supports it. The Book of Mormon is simply a Testament of Christ’s visit to the America’s Again, why is it hard to believe the Savior would visit His people on another continent?

What a great attitude! As a Mormon that is how I feel when I vote for a president with great values, his particular brand of religion is not important.

The Book of Mormon is FULL of prophecies of how the Savior would be born, and would take upon Him the sins of the world, would be crucified, resurrected, and would redeem mankind. The Book of Mormon tells that at the time of the Savior’s crucifixion in Jerusalem, there were terrible earthquakes among the inhabitants in the land of the Americas, and a terrible darkness upon the face of the earth, which did not lift until Christ was resurrected. After Christ’s resurrection, He came to visit his “other sheep” as he told those in Jerusalem He would do. Such a beautiful story! Seriously, why don’t you read the Book of Mormon to find out for yourself, instead of believing the mistruths that you have been told? If you love your Savior, why would you not want to read more about Him, about what actually happened?

1) One of the prophets in the Church once said “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become”. So, obviously there is something to that claim. However, it is not an official point of doctrine and not something that we ever get a clear understanding of. I believe this teaching can be classified as “one of the Mysteries of God” that the vast majority of members don’t fully understand.
However, that said, there is precedent in the Bible for this kind of claim. John 5:19 ”
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” If you read that literally, then it means that everything Jesus did was once done by his father. If Jesus was walking around as a mortal man, then the Father had once done the same.

AS to the 2nd part of your question, this is a favorite “stick” for anti-mormons to throw around. I don’t pretend that I could give you a full explanation of this doctrine, as I’m not sure I comprehend it myself, but suffice it to say this: children grow up to be like their parents. A puppy grows to be a dog, a foal grows up to be a horse, and a child grows up to be like their father (or mother).
With that in mind, is God our Heavenly Father? We believe he is. Now, in Jesus’s case, God is both the spiritual father and his physical father. For the rest of us, he is our spiritual father because he created us in his own image. If that’s the case, then wouldn’t you expect to “grow up” to be like him?
So, after we die and shed this mortal body, we will be resurrected and given an immortal physical body. That is one of the gifts that Jesus Christ gave to us when he overcame the bands of death. Once we have that immortal body we will have eons to improve our knowledge. And some time WAY WAY WAY WAY into the future, it is possible that we will have learned enough of God’s laws and methods to fashion worlds of our own. But even then, God will still be our Father and we will still worship him and him alone. He will always be our one God.
Maybe that idea is weird. But personally I prefer the idea of a Heaven where we are still learning and progressing and actually accomplishing something rather than just sitting on a cloud strumming a harp.

Again, i’m not claiming to be the ultimate authority, or to even understand it, but there is Biblical justification for that belief. It is not contrary to Biblical truth . . . only mainstream Christianity’s understanding of it. But what makes you think your priests opinions are any more valid than our prophet’s?

2)Trinitarianism didn’t come into existence until more than 300 years after Christ died. It is not spelled out in the Bible, but only in the Nicene and Athenasian Creeds. Any Biblican references that talk about God and Jesus being “one” are clearly talking about one in purpose, knowledge, power, etc. and not actual physical body. At Jesus’ baptism, Jesus stood in the water, the Father’s voice came from heaven, and the Holy Ghost was present in the form of a dove. All 3 members of the Godhead present in the same place in 3 distinct bodies. Also when Stephen stoned, he saw God and Jesus at his right hand. Again, 2 separate personages.
Mormon Doctrine declares the idea of the trinity to be a corrupted version of our idea of the “godhead” which consists of three members. The three are separate physical entities, but they have distinct roles to play as part of one grand plan. As such, they are “one” in purpose and can therefore be termed “one God”. Now, there is nothing in the Bible to refute our view of it. Just because it disagrees with your view of it does not make it incorrect. Again, why is your interpretation any more valid than ours, as they both agree with Biblical references.

3)Biblical teaching is that Satan is a “son of the morning” or a “fallen angel” if you prefer. But again where does the Bible clarify what exactly is meant by “angel”? You have to understand that our Bible is a translation, and sometimes languages don’t have exactly the same meanings to words. If you want to buy into the Trinitarian view, then fine, Satan is God’s creation and as you think Jesus is God, then that would make him Satan’s “father” not his brother. But, without the trinitarian view, Jesus is the Father’s son and creation as is Satan and therefore they are “brothers”. Again, nothing contrary to the Bible, it’s only contrary to your interpretation of the Bible which may or may not be correct.

4)You find your so-called contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon, and again you’ll find that the contradiction is with your interpretation of the Bible, not with the actual Bible verses. There are no contradictions between the two as long as they are read with the understanding given by the Holy Spirit, rather than the intellectual understanding of men.

5)Where does the New Testament teach salvation by faith alone? it doesn’t. That may be your interpretation, but it doesn’t. Both scriptures teach that we are responsible for our choices and as such we are all sinners. However, IF we exercise faith in Christ then his Grace can save us. Christ’s grace will not save people IN their sins, but He will save us FROM our sins when we turn to him. Obviously Good works are not enough for any man to be saved, but they are a sign of a truly penitent heart and one who is exercising his faith. James 2:14-22 explains it very well “Faith without works is dead” “by works was faith made perfect”

6) It is indisputable that the Bible has been altered through the years. All you have to do is look at the Latin and Greek versions to see how different they are. When King James finally got it mostly right, the translators were working with who knows about many different copies of things. Have you ever noticed that many words in the Bible are italicized? Those words are the ones that the translators couldn’t agree on, so they voted and the majority opinion is what was put down.
This is precisely why God has chosen to bring forth more witnesses to clarify and confirm that which men have confused and misunderstood. So, we go by the law of witnesses as found in Deuteronomy, Matthew, and Corinthians. IN the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses will every word be established. Now that may be difficult for people who only have the witness of the Bible. But fortunately we have the witness of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, the Book of Moses, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the voice of modern day prophets and apostles. It’s fairly easy to find 3 agreeing witnesses to any point of doctrine with this many resources.

So, there’s your answers. You may dismiss them as nonsense, but i really hope you will prayerfully consider them and open your heart to the possibility that God just might have more desire to give you proper understanding than you ever considered. He certainly loves us all enough to give us every conceivable opportunity to get it right . . . as omniscient as he is, and knowing human nature, why would he trust his Gospel to only a single witness? Any responsible, loving parent provides more than one guide.

Even if you don’t agree with our interpretation, you have to at least give us credit for having Biblical justifications for all of these doctrines. We’re not nearly as “out there” as many people think.

The soul is the unification of the body and the spirit.

duh.

Do Mormons believe they can become gods?

This is the perfect example of how wrong people can be about the LDS religion. I wonder where David was told that The Book of Mormon doesn’t teach about Jesus Christ. Anyone who spends any time at all actually reading out of that book will see how utterly false that is. David – don’t let ignorance continue to blind you. Find out for yourself. Read it!
And of course Faith in Christ is the first principle of the gospel. But God does not want us to just sit around and contemplate on our faith. He expects us to do his will and serve him. His 12 apostles weren’t sent home to continue their previous lives, but they were sent out to put their faith into action. For us our faith is deep and sacred. The works we do aren’t about getting into heaven, but about putting our faith to work serving God. as it says in James in the New Testement:
Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Notice the video about Temple rituals has been taken down.

To me, it doesn’t matter what a candidate’s religion is, as long as they are honest. Gov. Romney has been more than honest. He has high moral character. Then I look at their positions on the issues that matter most to the entire country (i.e Conservative Values). We have Freedom of Religion. That should allow a candidate to worship freely too.

To answer your question: Why did they pick up stones to stone Jesus? Jesus said in John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for ablasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself bGod.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are agods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath asanctified, and bsent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the cSon of God?
So, obviously, the priests of Jesus’ day had forgotten the scriptures and set their hearts to murder him for blasphemy.
And, re: joint heirs & power: just remember that we will only be given what the Father will give us, based on our righteousness. No man can take any power of his own accord. God will only bless us as He sees fit.

” If you doubt this, pick up any one of a number of books by former Mormons and learn the shocking truth!” That is like asking a Democrat about the Republican party. There are going to be biases and hatreds there. Perhaps consult a non-Mormon expert instead.

So how is that three things? To me it sounds like two things (body, spirit), and the word “soul” is just used to describe both together.

I think it’s great that we can have respectful conversations about beliefs in our country. I was sincerely trying to understand what someone else believes. I think it’s unfortunate that people feel like they can be unkind in a forum like this because it’s not a face-to-face conversation. Thanks for your answer.

http://bible.cc/isaiah/53-5.htm Almost word for word quote.

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The LDS faith
teaches that EVERY HUMAN BEING is a literal child of God. Before this earth was
created, we lived as individual spirits, as sons and daughters of our literal
Father in Heaven; yes, Jesus was there (as Jehovah) and Satan was there, (as
Lucifer), and so were you and I.

Books by “former” Mormons are not the be all end all for information regarding the Mormon faith. As Jake just pointed out, “former” members are going to have their biases and disdain for the Mormom faith. Which makes me think that what they write in their books is only “opinion”, not FACT.

That’s not the way we understand the doctrine. Of course Christ’s atonement and “grace” is the only way to salvation and is sufficient for all men. But does he give the gift of Grace to all indiscriminately No, that would be stupid. Then any idiot could go do exactly what he pleases his whole life, ignoring God, doing no good and then with his last breath say “Oh, I believe in Jesus, save me”.
From everything we read about Jesus’s life, is this the kind of thing he would do? He hated hypocrites and workers of evil. He is not going to give his Grace to them for free.

Rather, those people who SHOW their faith by their works are the ones who receive His grace. As James 2 14-22 explains, faith isn’t real unless its backed up by works. That is not to say Christ couldn’t save someone without works, it just means he won’t save someone until they have real faith. As the Book of Mormon says “We are saved by grace, after all we can do” meaning we have to do our best to prove that we love him and have faith in him, and after we have proven that to ourselves and to him, then he will reward us with his all-powerful saving grace.
Is that really such a problematic understanding?

The John quote there is taken out of context. The whole statement that is made by Jesus invokes the Trinity.

There are Believers today that resemble 1st century Believers ( mostly in China and persecuted countries). As for Mormons (while nice people) they are a recent sect that would have been called heretics in the 1st century.

Why would He call us His children, and then tell us to be like our Father, which is in Heaven? In the course of eternal life, and in the millions of years ahead of us, can’t we become more like Him? http://knightDeal.blogspot.com

The 10th chapter of John, Jesus declares that he and the Father are one.

I have many Mormon friends and Glenn is not being truthful. I firmly believe in freedom of religion but they are
not Christians the way they represent which is one of my problems with
them -say what you are!

-Mormons have “the book of Mormons” supposedly transcribed by Joesph
Smith in a closet using a “magic decoder ring” (twice after his wife
destroyed the first copy)

-mormons think Christ and satan are brothers of God the Father who is
one of many gods. He was born on the planet Kolob and if a Mormon gets enough “points” they can become gods also.
-they
have absolutely no respect for women as shown below which is from a
woman friend of mine who is now a born again Christian who used to be Mormon

I am not so “in the know” about planting Mormons in all forms of
government so they will be able to form the government for the planet at
Christ’s coming . .
BUT – the other stuff is true! They do believe
they will all be God’s of their own planet (JUST the men, the women are
only here to please their husbands and raise children-seriously-its
like women are just for sex and kids)
They do believe there are
zillions of “spirit babies” floating around in space waiting for a
body-that is why they have so many kids-everyone deserves a body
They do
the weird thing in the temple, and I am sure more than that, they have
to wear garments when they are married and “sealed” in the temple that
have “special markings” right where she said they blessed/prayed over
her-and it is supposed to be a big secret-they are NOT supposed to tell
anyone what goes on in the temple!
They do believe in prophets-In
their teachings Joseph Smith sits at the right hand of God and helps him
figure out the world more or less.
AND the biggest thing that always
made me know it wasn’t true-They preach from the Book of Mormon, there
were Bibles in the pews, but THE BOOK they want you to read, they quote
from, they teach out of, is the Book of Mormon. So Wrong. NEVER do I
remember teachings from the Bible. Yes, a few bible stories, but more
about the Golden Plates, Brigham Young and the crickets, etc. Those are
the stories I remember most.
So, Yes, I believe that Mormonism is a
cult. I don’t know if Romney would actually infiltrate the government
with Mormon people to promote the faith and the weird beliefs they
have-can’t comment on that. I just know at this time, I don’t believe
I would be voting for him. I really am disillusioned by the people who
are interested-so, we’ll see. I am NOT a Republican at all, NOT a
Democrat, Not a Conservatist

Yeah, I heard a Jehovah’s Witness say the same thing??????? Be careful WHO you are listening to.

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You have been taught falsely regarding the LDS Faith.The Book of Mormon CLEARLY teaches about the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. See other replies below. (ignore the letters placed before some words, as they are foot notes).
Joseph Smith was just a prophet that restored missing and misunderstood truths.

Joseph Smith taught Jesus Christ and his suffering on the cross for our personal sins. Please research for yourself, and not take others’ words for it.

I married a Mormon. I did not want to have anything to do with my husband’s religion, basically because of all the negative things I had heard about his church. I experienced many people professing to be experts on the Mormon religion telling me one thing – but then I witnessed on a daily basis a Mormon’s belief and actions telling me something different. Someone even told me that Mormon’s don’t marry Non-Mormon’s, yet I was not a Mormon and I was married to one. I was living proof that bit of information was not true. Among many things I have learned over the years – it is not to believe everything you hear. If one wants to be well informed and find out the truth then that individual should do their own homework. Interestingly enough, that is what the Mormon church teaches. They teach in a nut shell “don’t take my word for it- or their word for it – find out for yourself.” I was asked before I became a member – do YOU have a testimony of the gospel – in other words – did you find out for yourself? I was glad to answer in the affirmative. Being a Mormon is not a weird thing as some people would like to suggest it is – I have been on both sides of the coin. Looking back, I can honestly say that I was attracted to my husband because he was a Mormon. He was different than the other guys – but in all really good ways. This is all very informative Glenn – thank you. I wish I had this information years ago.

What’s wrong with polygamy?

I mean seriously. America is allowing homosexual marriages, but dares to condemn polygamy? Last I checked the Bible never condemns polygamy and in fact, most of the characters in the Old Testament generally had multiple wives and there really isn’t any other way to “be fruitful and multiply” faster than polygamy.

Here an excellent explanation of the differences.
http://catholiclane.com/is-mormonism-a-christian-denomination/

Celebrity Smack, have you considered a possibility that the Lord gave instructions to Joseph, and that Joseph simply obeyed? If the Book of Mormon is in fact an authentic record of peoples on the ancient American continent, then clearly God has a purpose in it.
But how do we know it is legit? Same way we learn that the Bible is true. We test the words and ideas it contains. Study it, pray about it, live by its teachings, and listen for the still small voice that draws you closer to Jesus Christ. Right?

I believe that the Bible is true. It has survived the ages in remarkable condition, and is responsible for bringing countless souls to the knowledge of Christ. But I think it is a mistake to declare that God never intended for any other written scripture. If God has reason to inspire other prophets and apostles to write their testimonies of Christ, then who are we to refuse to accept more when God reveals more?

Mormonism is simply NOT Christianity, it’s a cult. There is NO doubt about that and Glenn can’t refute that. He’s been blinded by the Adversary in that regard. However, I’m not voting for a pastor, I’m voting for a president. And even though I completely disagree with Romney’s theology, I believe he is the lesser of 2 evils in this election.

You are correct Deb. They do not accept the Trinity as defined by historical Christianity. 3 Gods, not One. Certainly not the only difference, but a big one where I come from.

Amen, Terry. May I second that testimonial? God bless you.

Dawn, wouldn’t it be a wonder to discover that God has some fantastic things in store for those that love His Son, keep His commandments, and have eyes to see, ears that hear, and hearts that understand?

Please answer two questions. What does God want? What does He intend for His children to do for eternity?

I’ll admit I am not sure I could predict how the many christian denominations would answer these questions.

@facebook-1600160156:disqus apparently, you haven’t listened to Glenn’s words when he talks about Christ, his salvation story and his gratitude for Jesus Christ. Pastparticiple is right on. check out lds.org our Sunday School manuals and scriptures are there to be seen by everyone. Our teachings are right there in the open.
As for your good words towards Glenn: “by their fruits ye shall know them.”

Obama is pressing ahead with his GODLESS plan for America, Romney has GOD in his heart and as a guide to being a desent person

I am a CHRISTian. I don’t need a church to tell me how to worship, I believe God’s word (the bible) my “church” is the body of Christ. Christ came and died for me, and I am free and saved because of his Grace and his Grace alone.
Now answer me this, Is polygamy not practiced in the temple marriages still? Can’t one man be eternaly married to more then one woman but no woman to more then one man, in your temples?
You believe that Jesus Christ was begotten from a man of flesh and bone (God) a sinner, a man who was exhaulted. This is not what the bible says. God is a spirit, and Jesus taught us that a spirit has no flesh and bone.
You belive that God is Jesus’ father, Jesus is our brother, as well as satan are both Gods children both our brothers. You believe that you can be equal to God the human being if you are good enough and do enough for your church while on earth. Is this not true?
Im not letting this sway my vote, I want Obama OUT… but I hate the swing and swim that happens when the “myths” are brought into discussion about the LDS religon. Its your history, Own it.

Yes. Mormon men believe they will be gods of their own planet in the next life. They also believe that if a person is not a Mormon when they die, they won’t go to one of the 3 levels of Mormon heaven, so they baptize that person by proxy (against their will!). There are many more obvious things that indicate Mormonism is a Cult. A good place to look is Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin.

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You are a genius! So intelligently spoken! and so glad you had the courage to be identified
Pobody’s Nerfect!

Paula. three months? I had to wait nine! But I did get the same answer…

This is true.

For all you Mormons out there (including me), and all you sincere Christians who hold that Mormons are not Christian because we don’t accept certain key doctrines held by all the rest of you – insert the word “orthodox” into the charge: “Mormons are not (orthodox) Christians,” and the statement is absolutely true. We are not orthodox Christians, and proudly so! We proclaim the restoration of those parts of the gospel that were lost after the time of the Apostles. That fundamental premise means that we CANNOT be orthodox – if orthodoxy was correct, if somewhere in all the confusion the whole gospel could be found and reformed to its original form, there wouldn’t be any need for a restoration, would there? So I am not offended when you say I am not a Christian, given that what you really mean is that I do not subscribe to doctrines that were developed by consensus of theologians rather than from scripture or revelation. I a former time, you would have called me a heretic, and heretics were not regarded as mistaken Christians, but as non-Christians. And in that time, those who came to be known to history as heretics argued just as stridently that those who came to be called “orthodox” were not Christian. So you all think we are heretics. Fine – it might interest you to know that we consider all of you to be apostate. Can we put that aside and acknowledge the common ground between us? No one can argue convincingly that the standards and values of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not comport favorably with those of orthodox Christianity. And Natalee, we do believe in the SAME Jesus Christ that all of Christianity does (the Son of God, that came to earth 2100 years ago to live as a mortal, who taught his gospel to his disciples, who died for our sins and rose again on the third day – THAT Jesus). That we do not conceive of him in precisely the same way as you, and that we disagree on some doctrinal points, does not change that essential fact.

Ummm… Glenn… That answer “There’s nothing that you’ll find in the Temple that you won’t find in the Old or New Testament,” allows everything in Sodom and Gomorrah, to human sacrifice to prostitution. A clever answer to avoid what I know you’re trying to avoid, but only clever for a split second. That’s OK… What you and Mitt believe doesn’t disqualify him being President, or even a faithful member of a good Church. Just don’t ever try to associate ‘that one thing’ with Jesus Christ in my presence, ’cause you’ll get your hair blown off and your ears folded back.

They also believe Jesus is a created being, rather than God incarnate. They teach that Jesus is the spirit BROTHER of Lucifer! Is THAT Biblical? Absolutely NOT!

“Jesus died on the Christ,” did He? You might wish to learn doctrine before ordering others to think what you command them to think. And do you REALLY believe that dying is ALL Jesus did and does for us?

Somehow, I think you know that “gods” (little g) refers to perfected souls with perfected bodies, living forever under Heavenly Father’s laws – indeed, what word would better define such children? I’m sure you know that the child NEVER supplants the Father, but you continue to pretend that Latter-day Saints want to do exactly that.

I am happy that you’re proud to own your own church, as you state. We prefer a church that’s not created by a mortal, even a Dawn. We humbly bow to the will of Heavenly Father and His ONLY begotten, Jesus Christ, whose church you malign.

Amen, Donna!!

I’m sure there are plenty of informational sites out there that give different points of view. CARM.org is my personal favorite. I may not agree with everything written but I am always trying to learn more from various sources. But most importantly, I need to know the Bible, search it’s scriptures and learn it before I take anyone’s word about something.

A Christian believes that Jesus IS one of the three persons of the trinity- that Jesus IS G-d and there is no other god. Mormons do not believe in the trinity. They believe that Jesus is the son of a god- their Father god. Not the same as the Christian Church started at Pentecost.

I believe if in his last breath comes to God for mercy and forgiveness it can be given to him. This was proven on the cross with the thief.

I believe God’s grace IS free. It is a free gift that only has to be accepted. There is NOTHING you can do in this life to EARN it no matter what you do.

Faith isn’t shown by works, however, WORKS is a byproduct of living for God. If you believe in Him and live for him then a natural overflow of your love will be doing good works, though they gain you nothing. You don’t have to prove anything to God. He knows your heart and your actions in how you love others speak for themselves. His grace is enough. His dying on the cross is enough. There is nothing we can do besides accept this free gift.

@facebook-1532314253:disqus – Mr_Opinion is right in his assertion about LDS doctrine: Marriages cannot be performed IN the resurrection. They must be done here. Also, you need to remember that those who posed that question to Jesus did NOT believe in the literal Resurrection of the body. It was another attempt to fool Jesus in their question.
Something to really keep in mind about scriptural “evidence” of eternal marriage and God’s ordination of it is the story of Job.After Job’s trials, he got back double of EVERYTHING…. except he got back the same number of children…??? when viewed from a mortal, earthly perspective, it doesn’t make sense…..When viewed from a perspective of “eternal families” it is evident: he actually did get double the children. He still had the ones that died… they will be his in the afterlife.Marriage & Family are eternal!

I appreciate your respect, and will just leave you with this. All of the other Gospels are believed to be firsthand. Joe’s BoM is like Scrooge’s trip with the “ghost of Christmas past” escorted by Macaroni instead. Of course I’ve considered it, what does Macaroni ask everyone to do at the end of da BoM? I then summarily dismissed it as precisely what I’ve already said: the ranting deception of a false profit in a demonic attempt to re-establish Pharisee like legalism. Christ gave us ALL we needed, He says so Himself. If He is not sufficient, then your theology is false. You can claim that He is sufficient, but that just doesn’t fit with the teachings. I pray that the scales will fall away, and that you will see that you do not need anything else but Jesus. You don’t need Joe, you don’t need elders, access to the temple, magic underwear, golden glasses, magic tablets, Macaroni, or any other delusion to follow Jesus. The veil was RIPPED for a reason. We worship God in Spirit and in Truth, nothing else matters.

I realize you have been made to feel “special” and to believe that without da BoM you are nothing. That without the elders and Papa Joe you are nothing… but that is not true.

“Satan is the creator of Satan” No doctrine there, just something that sounded good?

Chapter and verse where angels were created before mortals? You seem to be confusing Dante and Milton with apostles and prophets.

*jeep! & God Bless!
–Grandpa Chet

Have you ever lived in Salt Lake City?? I have. And I was taken advantage of by every Mormon employer I had (4) because they knew I was a Christian and not part of their elitist society.

But…….do the Mormans believe in the trinity? Do they believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh? I don’t think so. We do not look at Jesus in the same way.

I appreciate Glen’s honest and sincere comments. See my new book – “From The Strip Club To The Temple – How I Became The Mormon I Used To Laugh At” To Learn More http://www.fromthestripclubtothetemple.com

Thank you so much for your testimony!

JUST the men, the women are
only here to please their husbands and raise children-seriously-its
like women are just for sex and kids)

No, absolutely incorrect, Women and Men Together will be as God is.

Jesus says God defines marriage as between ONE man and ONE woman but the Jewish people rejected that teaching (Matthew 19:1-12) and He, Jesus, is reinstating it so that people are not confused. Apparently, the Mormon Church is still confused. its leaders have always been deceitful about their doctrines.

You are correct, Leah! One of the historical, traditional, orthodox teachings of the church of what defines a cult is the denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. Such goes back all the way to the early church councils. If you read further down, Deb Naatjes, states this very clearly in regard to her Mormon belief. She states, “They (Mormons) do not believe in a 3 in 1 scenario. Mormons believe that Jesus
Christ is a separate and distinct being, and that God is His Father.” Could not be any clearer! The Scriptures state that even the devil is able to veil himself in light and present his deception as truth. If they believe in the same Jesus Christ then why are there no crosses on or in their buildings identifying them as such? The cross goes back centuries in the church as the identifying symbol of the faith, both in and out of times of persecution. Why no crosses? Because they do not believe in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross, nor that his shed blood is redemptive. Mormonism is NOT Christianity, and those who believe such have been decieved!

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Your arguments are those used over and over and over. Plenty of people smarter than us have addressed these all over the internet. I don’t think anything we have to say will change your mind. You actually sound like you may be a product of the Tanners’ brigade.

Hehehe love it! One thing Glenn failed to mention when he was giving us a history lesson on Mormonism, was the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Until 9/11 that was the biggest murder of Americans on American soil!! And the “president” of that “church” ordered it. It can’t be denied or hidden, it really happened. Anyone can google it. A very UGLY part of that whole event was that when they killed the women and men on that wagon train, they took the young children. Then later, they CHARGED the extended families for their care when they came for them! FACT!

What the Mormons teach today is a long shot from what they taught 150 years ago. And yes the Catholics teach different doctrine depending on what country they are in. . .and did you know that many fundamentalist churches in the south including the Baptist shortly after the Scopes trial, taught that whites came from Adam and blacks came from monkeys. I think we all need to stop throwing stones. Look at Mitt Romney’s family, his marriage, his business reputation, his reputation for fixing problems no matter how large. That is enough for me. After Clinton’s phony religious show, Obama’s Black Liberation Theology and his preacher “god damning America” Bush’s filthy mouth, I can handle Romney and his Mormonism with a smile. AND No I am not a Mormon, but living in Wyoming, Utah, Colorado most of my life I have many family members and friends who are. Their great.

Romney has A god in his heart. I will vote for him because I’m voting for president, not a pastor. But Romney is not a Christian, nor is he a conservative!

Satan was NOT Jesus’ brother. YOu need to re-read Genesis Sharon.

My… so many opinions in this thread following Oly P one line comment. I’ve seen so many things I want to comment on. I suppose we can only do one at a time. I have seen numerous comments on the trilogy here and I can’t help but comment. I grew up a Methodist which is an offspring of the Catholic Church and the Methodist doctrine is tightly entwined around a trilogy, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I personally no longer believe that and follow the Church of God doctrine which states that God is Elohim, which is a plural word, like Church. Next, I site John 1:1 of the KJV of the Holy Bible, NT. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. That is a powerful and deeply meaningful verse. The Word was begotten by God the Father unto the virgin Mary where the mortal form of the Word was born of flesh. The Holy spirit or Holy Ghost is the power of God and is how God is omnipotent and “everywhere”, not a personage. There is no soul other than to make a statement like, “see that poor soul over there”. In that context, soul is a being or person but is a human/mortal form or context; not supernatural. There is no 3 in 1 being, no 3 physical persons. I realize this is not acceptable to many but this trinity doctrine just does not hold up under close bible scrutiny. It was made up around 350AD through Constatine and the Nicene council to create a counterfeit Christianity since the Romans couldn’t “kill it all out”. I am sorry if this offends some but for me, well this is the truth I understand today.

AMEN, Timothy!

actually you should read your bible closer. all of the polygamists in the bible suffered greatly. it never went well for them… and read even more closely and the bible teaches one right man for one right woman…but i get what your saying … to my knowledge polygamy in the bible is not a sin where as homosexuality is a sin…

Wow! Just WOW! Are YOU deceived!!

Glenn, I think you are a good man practicing the wrong faith. I was raised a mormon and I can still remember how odd I thought it was being taught that black people were black because of sin. This was real strange to me but there are other things that are just as weird. Baptisms of the dead, it is so far from the biblical truth that it amazes me. My Grandfather was an atheist, and remember my Grandmother going to the temple to pay money for him to get to heaven so they could be together. This baptism of the dead is why mormons are into genealogy to baptize their loved ones that died in the past. If I remember right Mormons do not believe in hell. Not sure about this one, but they do believe in three degrees of heaven and only the temple Mormons get to the top heaven. This is like calling Jesus a liar, He said believe in me and you shall be saved. I have just scratched the surface of the differences and why Mormons are considered a cult. I know the Book of Mormon was supposed to be a God inspired document, Why then have there been so many changes over the years, some just to keep up with the laws they were breaking? God does not change his values but the Book of Mormon does, makes you wonder how anyone can believe it to be true. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, not Joseph Smith and his forged documents. I have never been in the Mormon Temple to practice anything but I do have many relatives and friends that have been there and I believe it to be an abomination to the one true God. Most Mormons are good and wonderful people just mislead by a scammer. I am not sure about their salvation and I am glad I do not make that call.

There is only ONE God, and you shall worship him alone!!! Deuteronomy 6:4. Polytheism is idolatry, and is thoroughly condemned throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. It’s why God let Babylon take the Jewish people into captivity. Adam and Eve sinned because they wanted to be like God in essence, but that’s IMPOSSIBLE. Please don’t accept the lies of Satan like Eve, or the lies of the Mormon Church and its deceitful leaders! As a true Christian, you can “participate” in the divine nature without becoming gods, through the Holy Spirit who is the Third Person of the Triune God – 2 Peter 1:4. By the way, the Book of Mormon actually teaches the Trinity, but the Mormon Church denies its own teachings in the Book of Mormon. They are very confused!

Regardless of your Christian/Judeo-Christian belief, or absence thereof, I would rather have a Christian/Mormon as president than a Muslim who practices taqqiya (Islamic practice of lying as long as it is in the interest of Islam). Have you not noticed how those who practice the Islamic religion are favored by Obama?

Thanks, Glenn. Jesus consistently said he was the son of God in the New Testament, and at his baptism, the 3 members of the Godhead were separately manifest. The idea of the trinity was developed by Catholic scholars hundreds of years after all the apostles were gone.

The Bible WARNS believers to REBUKE anyone who comes to them with “another gospel”! Mormonism is “another gospel” and it’s a lie right out of the pit! Satan is the great counterfeiter and he has created another gospel for the dear Mormons and they’ve bought into it. I love the Mormon people DEARLY because my wonderful sister bought into that religion. I still love her, but she has had one health disaster after another since she joined that church.

The “proof” that Church Leaders in Salt Lake City are responsible is full of holes. It’s been alleged and disproved time and time again for 150 years.
It was the local population that did it.
They did it in retaliation for the Missouri slaughters (think Boggs Extermination Order) and Haun’s Mill Massacre.They did it out of fear due to false rumors they heard about the travelers.It’s a tragic and sad event.

Yes, they do, but faith comes FIRST. And faith in “another gospel” or a Messiah who is a created being, is NOT a faith that will lead to eternity with God!

If those members treated you badly, I am sorry. What they did was against the teachings of the Church and they should have known better.

Donna, I have been thru the Bible many times, taught it last year for Sunday School as a matter of fact. I spent 38 years as a Catholic before I converted.

LDS absolutely believe that Christ is God in the flesh. This is from the Book of Mormon Alma 7

9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying: Cry unto this people, saying—Repent
ye, and prepare the way of the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are
straight; for behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of
God cometh upon the face of the earth.
10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the cland of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose
the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him
their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according
to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
13 Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take
upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their
transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now
behold, this is the testimony which is in me.
14 Now I say unto you that ye must repent,
and be born again; for the Spirit saith if ye are not born again ye
cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore come and be baptized
unto repentance, that ye may be washed from your sins, that ye may have
faith on the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, who is
mighty to save and to cleanse from all unrighteousness.

The Main issue here is the interpretation of the scriptures, which, among Orthodox Christians are all interpreted differently. Believe me, I am no stranger to the Bible, but you have never read the Book of Mormon

@disqus_6mh8pmAeUV:disqus One more thing he failed to mentioned was how often we have to grind down the horns on our heads so they don’t poke out of our hair! hehehe.

There might be, but the Christ spoken of in the Book of Mormon is NOT the Messiah, he’s a counterfeit!

There’s so many thoughts concerning God and His uniqueness. The study of God is its own theological class. When we talk of God we must remember we’re not talking about mankind. God cannot be a man or like mankind. A human being who is finite can never become infinite like God. These things may sound simplistic, but they are very profound. God is Infinite, God is immaterial, God is Spirit, God is eternal, God is Holy, and there are so many more God is statements but not enough space here. This is why to try to talk about God here is extremely difficult. But Mormonism does not reason about God in these terms. As god is man may become. Never.

No, Natalee, temple marriage doesn’t work in an unequal manner. In our temple work for the dead, all spouses are sealed to all of their spouses, and we figure the Lord will sort it all out. Also, we believe Jesus created everything through Heavenly Father’s power, and by giving us accountability and sending the Lord to atone for our sins, we have the opportunity, if we keep His commandments, to return to His presence and live with Him as eternal families. “His” refers equally to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ because they are identical in attributes, power, etc., while still being separate beings. CS Lewis (Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe fame) said that Jesus obviously wants us to receive some kind of perfection because He said he wants to make us “one” with him.

That’s really interesting. I’m sorry she has such negative feelings for the church. I actually teach my children a Bible story every day at breakfast… I love the Bible and believe it is scripture and should be taught and lived, just like the Book of Mormon. Anyway, one thing I did want to correct- as a woman in the church I can tell you that I am treated with nothing but respect and love. Mormons teach that women are to be respected and that God’s creations were only pronounced “good” after WOMAN was created- His crowning achievement. In a world that derides and objectifies women and womanhood, I am thankful to belong to a church that encourages my husband to be loving, devoted, unselfish, and Christ-like in our marriage… he is all those things. By the way, if you look up the church’s teachings (Mormon.org) you will learn that we only believe that a man will be a God if he is married… with a Goddess at his side. You can also learn about what happens in temples at Mormon.org (and you can personally tour the temples that have just been built if you want to see inside- the Brigham City, Utah one is open right now for tours). Also, we believe God the Father is the father of Jesus and Satan (and us). And man, if there is a “point” system out there I better find out fast because I wouldn’t want to miss out on earning my points! Really we believe that Christ is our Savior and that through His Grace are we saved. You don’t know me so I know you’ll take all this with a grain of salt, but hopefully it answered some of your questions from an active member’s perspective.

@2f61cbf66c234fb0d8cf2f3d9b5b6b50:disqus Leah has lots of answers…. but not very accurate in her full length commentaries.

go to lds.org and mormon.org for real answers.

Salee, Mormons absolutely do not believe in the trinity, and are appalled by it.

2 Corinthians 11:4

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Christianity is not a religion of feelings, but a religion of conscious relationship. Deceitful churches like the Mormon Church or Scientology can feel like a loving place — until you start questioning what they’re saying by holding them up to the True Light of God’s Word, the Bible. The Book of Mormon was only revealed in the 1800s. Sorry, but I don’t think God would ever have let us go 1800 years without this decidedly false and invented piece of phony baloney (which sometimes plagiarizes from the New Testament without telling the reader) called the Book of Mormon. Stick with the Bible and find a good Christian Church that feeds you Biblical Truth, not fairy tales invented in the 1800s by a misguided charlatan. The New Testament was created by a community, not just one man like Mormonism or Islam.

my pastor said that if God talks to you – you need to see a shrink…since the completion of the canon of scripture God does not talk to anybody…by learning scripture and prayer the holy spirit guides us and provides discernment….most people never learn enough scripture to reach this point and they are susceptible to anything…hence mormons, heavens gate, jehovahs, seventh day adventists…not my place to judge here…i can only say learn some scripture and the outcome is between you and your maker…

Raincheck, Please, by all means, tell us what we are trying to avoid? The fact is, you seem full of suspicion and a little anger, I have spoken with many Orthodox Christians, my hair and ears are still in place

Instead of this, go to lds.org and mormon.org for real answers.
Want to know about a Ford? don’t go visit a Toyota dealer.

It’s very disheartening to type something you care a great deal about for 30 minutes and hit the “Post” button only to have the Cyber Gods swallow it into never, never land! DAMN!

That’s because Joseph Smith PLAGIARIZED it! Mormons think that’s ok and that he did it because he loved that chapter so much. But he CLAIMED it was HIS writing! Ugh …

I try to be good…. but
Pobody’s Nerfect.
But it is a commandment to “be ye therefore perfect” from Jesus, right? so, I guess I need to try.

In response to your comment that Mormon’s are not Christian because
they do not believe in the Trinity, let’s turn to the respected Bible scholar
Bart Ehrman (who is not remotely LDS): “The only place in the entire New
Testament where the doctrine of the Trinity is explicitly taught is in a
passage that made it into the King James translation (I John 5:7-8) but is not
found in the vast majority of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament”
(2009, p. 186).

There are two key
points we can take away from this quote. The first is that there is only ONE
place in all the New Testament that comes close to teaching the doctrine of the
Trinity. It is not the uniform or common message of the Bible.

For the second
point Ehrman is using a bit of code language. When he says that the passage was
not in the earliest and best manuscripts, he is saying that it was a later
addition to Bible texts. The one reference to the doctrine of the Trinity was
not in the original text of the Bible. In fact he cites a tradition that Erasmus
added the words in the sixteenth century under pressure from Trinitarians.

Let’s look at the
one passage that is the basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. The passage,
known as the Johannine Comma, reads: “For there are three that bear
record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water,
and the blood: and these three agree in one.” (I John 5:7-8 ).

In the manuscripts
that Erasmus had, the passage read simply: “There are three that bear witness:
the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three are one.” (See Ehrman,
2005, pp. 80-82.) Someone tried to force the doctrine of the Trinity into the
text of the New Testament. When this late and unauthorized addition to the text
is removed, there is not a hint of the doctrine left in the New Testament. The
doctrine is simply NOT biblical.

Even if we granted
the Johannine Comma, it is still a huge leap to go from that one passage to the
Athanasiancreed that tried to establish and express the nature of the Trinity
while wrestling with their physical natures and that greatest of all
conundrums: their one-ness. Most Christians are unaware of the decades of
bickering that led to the formula that is now accepted as the orthodox
description of the Trinity. MacMullen (2006) described the tendency for the
different factions warring over their understanding of God’s nature to actually
attack each other. He estimated that 25,000 people were killed in the battles
over the creed and its successors at Constantinople (381 CE) and Calcedon (451
CE). How Heaven must have wept as earthlings squabbled and bickered about the
Prince of Peace and His Father! Given this history, it is difficult to assert
that the creed which established the Trinity doctrine was based upon a commonly
accepted interpretation of scripture–or that it was seen as a litmus test for
Christians.

Even now, scholars
acknowledge that the doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical. “Exegetes and theologians
agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the
Trinity” (p. 53, The Encyclopedia of Religion, 1987, Volume 15, MacMillan
Publishing Company).

There really is no
question. The doctrine of the Trinity was developed centuries after the books
of the Bible were written. It is not the teaching of the Bible or early
Christianity. It expresses more Greek philosophy than teachings of Jesus.

God Bless You and All Your Brethren Mr. Beck. Warmest Regards to You and Your Family.

I agree! I do not belong to any church. I did do my research about
mormons. I do not care about Mr. Romney’s religion. I think he is good
man. The more I know about him, the more I like him. I voted for him
in 2008 and will surely do it again. Through out the primary season and
current months, I have read more bigoted comments about his religion
and mostly from liberals. I find it disgusting.

Very well said, I do believe We are All Children of God no matter what religion we believe in.

lds.org
mormon.org

Absolutely. And the last verse in Revelation warns about adding to or taking away from God’s Word.

Romans 8: 16-17

Typical that you would laugh at God’s Word … but tragic too …

In Christ, God took on the nature of man. That’s why He’s called the God-man. This is the beauty of God, to save us He became a man. This is why His death alone can save mankind. He took our place and payed the price we could never pay because we are finite and He is infinite. His sacrifice is infinite and will save all who come to Him.

Revelation has no “s” … go back and read some more … and John most assuredly was speaking of the entirety of God’s Word, not just one book or chapter.

Does it really matter ? Mormons are very nice people and to get to Heaven We must be Good. Mormons are good people , and I am Catholic , I will vote for Mitt Romnet and I hope and Pray that everyone will vote the same !! Vote Romney

Obviously hashing it out here is not going to solve anything… but the “traditional” Christian view of the Trinity is completely at odds with what the Bible actually contains. It was essentially a political compromise created a few hundred years after Jesus walked the earth.

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ” -Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).
You can keep fallowing this guy… I will fallow the words and works of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Yes, they are good people, for the most part. They are hard working and very family oriented. But they do NOT have “Christian beliefs.” They have LDS beliefs.

This hidden camera video of a Temple Endowment Ceremony, some are substing for dead people, Aaronic Priesthood etc was posted on Twitter about a day ago – decide for yourself, but the monotone speaker sounds hypnotic. http://youtu.be/ulhM3DNgBzY

There is much error in Mormonism and Christian theology today. The “church” should look to her Hebrew roots and original scriptures for meanings and doctrines. Yeshua told the scribes and pharisee’s “you err and follow the teachings of men and not God.” The Messiah did not come to do away with the law(Torah) but to fulfill (fill it up with meaning; hit the mark). ” Be ye holy (set apart) as I am Holy”. Hear and obey. You are saved by the atoning blood of Yeshua only, but faith without works(Law) is dead. Love one another.

Honey, you can stand in a GARAGE, but that doesn’t make you a car!

@ Natalee, I find it interesting that in your church you believe that God can hear prayers but has no power to answer them individually. Your interpretation of the bible is based purely upon conjecture. It is made up.You read the bible, study the bible, but do not understand the meaning of the bible. As a result, you come up with your own meanings. You deny ordinances like baptism even though it is clearly commanded in the bible. You claim you are a “Christian” but persecute anyone who believes differently from you, claiming that they are not christian, as if you had the authority to decide what someone believes based on the made-up definitions you derive from the bible. You claim Catholics are not Christian, any Protestant faith that does not believe in the trinity, you claim are not Christian. You derive your belief in the nature of God from the Nicene creed, when a bunch of confused and angry men sat around a table and wrote down contracting nonsense to pacify the masses.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So…we see here that at the beginning when the universe was created..there was the WORD and the WORD was GOD (THEOS translated into Greek). Follow >>>>

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

That same WORD that was GOD became Flesh (Jesus Christ)… So follow along here>>>

In the beginning was the WORD
The WORD was GOD
So…. WORD = GOD
okay…moving on.
The WORD was made flesh > JESUS CHRIST (Only Begotten…)
So…. WORD = JESUS CHRIST
Therefore WORD = JESUS CHRIST = GOD

And THAT folks is what got Him crucified. The Jews were totally okay with the whole Rabbi bit and Prophet thing. But when Jesus Christ equated Himself to GOD.. THAT’s when they crucified Him.

AND…Here’s some more…

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I am: That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence, as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense, instead of the past tense, from its being in answer to the Jews, who enquired whether he had seen Abraham, and from its being thus understood by the multitude, who were exasperated at it to such a degree that they took up stones to stone him. The ancient Jews not only believed that the Messiah was superior to and Lord of all the patriarchs, and even of angels, but that his celestial nature existed with God from whom it emanated, before the creation, and that the creation was effected by his ministry. Exo_3:14; Isa_43:13, Isa_44:6, Isa_44:8, Isa_46:9, Isa_48:12; Rev_1:8

Not much has changed over the years. Mention that Jesus Christ is actually God… see what happens.

Joseph Smith HIMSELF said that “God told me that ALL churches are an abomination.” So why would Mormons want to align themselves with Christians?????

I’m Presbyterian. 45 years ago, as a teenager I had Mormon friends. They are Christian. We went thru this sort of thing when Kennedy, a Catholic, was running for president. Some denominations worship on their knees, some while standing, some while sitting. IMHO it’s NOT “HOW” you worship God – it’s that you DO. Mitt Romney has LIVED the Christian principles. He has helped his fellow human beings in MORE ways than one. He doesn’t smoke or drink or cheat on his wife and he’s an outstanding father and grandfather. AND he has the hand’s on practical, business experience necessary to get this country moving again.

If I can through in my two cents, try it! Go to as many different churches as you can, including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and you will feel a difference at each one. I cannot say which one will absolutely be the strongest spirit for you but I believe it will be the LDS church because that is exactly what I did.

One of my daughters at the age of seven, asked me about basic Christian beliefs. I told her that Christians believe that God came down as a baby and was born to Mary. In her little Mormon understanding, she said “you mean that they believe when Jesus was born, we had no God? The wisdom of children.

The fix has been in for years to get Evangelicals vote for a Mormon – there has to be $ involved to get men to be so desperate to deceive Americans: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/01/can-mitt-romneys-evangelical-ambassador-seal-the-deal-before-election-day/?hpt=hp_c1

Perhaps, but it was very common and still is, according to my Christian friends who still live there. It just isn’t spoken of very often. My husband and I got death threats on the phone and our RV vandalized because our neighbors knew we went to a different church than they did. (and yes, the perpetrators were caught)

I disagree with you but then I am Catholic and we believe in confession, which is between you and god, you don’t need a priest. But it allows us to repent as often as we wish, as long as we are take actions to avoid the offending behavior. But then if you tell me that Catholics are not Christians which I have heard before….. It all comes down to how we live out lives. All of us.

I know nothing about Mormon teachings but, it sure sounds like you believe just about the same as Catholic’s . God will take all good people who believe !!! And you sound like you are very good.. See you in Heaven .

“wisdom”?????

Actually Timothy, if by historical orthodoxy you mean 16th century protestantism, then what does that mean? It simply means that a bunch of people who were at odds with the Catholic Church produced their own doctrine, and you are now saying thats the last word in Christianity?

Or do you mean the creeds produced in the Counsel of Nicea in 325 AD?

Did any of those have any authority to “create” doctrine? You have what you have because various and sundry men with no authority say its so?

You claim it ‘couldn’t be any clearer” but the truth is, you don’t even know what you mean by that.

Does it mean that the man Jesus walking around in Galilee prayed to himself? Does it mean that when he said “I can do nothing of myself, but that which I have seen the Father do”, he was talking about something he had seen himself do. Really, I find the idea of three separate persons far more reasonable than the former.

But most of all the question would be, what happened to revelation? Miracles by those in authority? (Because St Augustine openly admitted that no one in the Church could do that) What about prophets? No more left? Did God ever say that the Church would be led by a book of scripture?

You are way too quick to assume you have the answer to these serious questions

Sally, You admit you do not know the answers and then proceed to make a judgement. Not very Christian of you.

Celebrity Smack, consider the Book of Mormon in light of Ezekial 37:

“16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.”
Ancient scripture was written on scrolls commonly referred to as ‘sticks.’ This passage in Ezekial is prophecy about two books of scripture that provide the 2 or more witnesses necessary to establish the truth. (2nd Corinthians 13:1 In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

You are ABSOLUTELY right! And the leaders of the LDS organization have believed for decades that it would take a Mormon to save America!

Glenn, I think you are a good man practicing the wrong faith. I was raised a mormon and I can still remember how odd I thought it was being taught that black people were black because of sin. This was real strange to me but there are other things that are just as weird. Baptisms of the dead, it is so far from the biblical truth that it amazes me. My Grandfather was an atheist, and remember my Grandmother going to the temple to pay money for him to get to heaven so they could be together. This baptism of the dead is why mormons are into genealogy to baptize their loved ones that died in the past. If I remember right Mormons do not believe in hell. Not sure about this one, but they do believe in three degrees of heaven and only the temple Mormons get to the top heaven. This is like calling Jesus a liar, He said believe in me and you shall be saved. I have just scratched the surface of the differences and why Mormons are considered a cult. I know the Book of Mormon was supposed to be a God inspired document, Why then have there been so many changes over the years, some just to keep up with the laws they were breaking? God does not change his values but the Book of Mormon does, makes you wonder how anyone can believe it to be true. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, not Joseph Smith and his forged documents. I have never been in the Mormon Temple to practice anything but I do have many relatives and friends that have been there and I believe it to be an abomination to the one true God. Most Mormons are good and wonderful people just mislead by a scammer. I am not sure about their salvation and I am glad I do not make that call. Mormons absolutely do not believe in the trinity, and are appalled by it.

“Want to know the truth go to Deseret book, and pick up the original BOM uncut pages. compair it to your current book… over 4000 changes not jut in spelling and grammer, but also in doctrine too.”
Obviously you have not gone and counted yourself or you wouldn’t state that, because that is completely false. The Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants are two completely different books. However, just like the New and Old Testaments they can sometimes be found bound together.

Also, there is NO polygamy in the church and hasn’t been for over 100 years, as Glenn stated. Temple marriage only binds man and wife together for eternity – no multiple unions. Rather than go off what other people/books, etc have to say about a religion, it is more factual based to read the literature actually put out by the church in question.

Never knew about the underwear. It looks like its due for a redesign. I am Catholic so it takes more than a little underwear to make a religious practice look silly to me. But the picture of Glenn posted here looks like he is wearing Tightee Whitees like the rest of us.

Here we now have Ralph Reed holding the label of “bigotry” over the heads of Christians who will not vote for a Mormon priest to be President of the United States of America. Let’s add that the “Mormon” is not conservative, not proLife, brought Romneycare to Massachusetts, he’s a supposedly “brilliant businessman” but he fired the grassroots, many of whom are you, at the RNC Convention, he failed to honor our soldiers at the Convention. And NOW we’re called bigots. Way to run a campaign and win votes! http://ffcoalition.com/news/2012-09-04/ralph-reed-fox-friends

You’re right, Pam … I’m Messianic Jew and know exactly what you’re saying. Even so, Christians don’t refute the divinity of Yeshua, they simply don’t know His Hebrew name, nor do they keep the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths. But that’s because they simply don’t KNOW.

Very well said !!!!

Scrambo, consider this. If the Holy Spirit guides you, and He is part of the godhead, has God spoken to you? It’s called revelation, and your life is greatly blessed by receiving it. God loves you. He wants to communicate with you!

Glen, the LDS are awesome!

Amazing, isn’t it?! I will vote for him, however, because I’m voting for president, not a pastor or Rabbi. You’re right, Romney ISN’T conservative, nor does he even believe what his CHURCH does about the sanctity of life!! But he is the lesser of two evils and that’s just how it is now.

We have to Vote Romney , Romney is a Great person and we need him , we cannot take any more of Obama

Joseph Smith’s “First Vision” occurred when he was 14 (April 1820). Moroni’s first visit was in 1823, but Joseph didn’t actually receive the golden plates containing the record until 4 years later. The Book of Mormon was first published in 1830, when he was in his mid-twenties.

I, too, believe it is inconceivable that the Book of Mormon was written by an un-educated farm boy. But whether you believe he wrote it or translated it via the power of God, it didn’t happen when he was 14

Very nice, Thank you .

It’s demonic. Scary stuff. But we CAN pray for them! And we know that God is in control.

Dawn, even CS Lewis (Screwtape Letters, Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe) asserted Christ intends to give us some kind of perfection because he wants us to be “one” with Him.

During the GOP Primaries, Romney promoted himself as ProLife. He knew that social conservatives, especially Christians, would interpret that as including ProLife even in the case of rape and incest. Now we learn that the Romney’s contributed to Planned Parenthood in the 1990s. They had a perfect opportunity 2 weeks ago to express regret for that when the subject was brought up in a Chris Wallace interview but they did not. It helps to understand when you go to the LDS web site and find that the Mormon “church” makes an exception for abortion in the case of rape and incest as well: http://mormon.lds.net/mormon-beliefs/abortion

AMEN!

. Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit.

For example, it was an emperor (Constantine) . who introduced a term, homousious, which defined the Son as “consubstantial” (one being) with the Father. Neither term or anything like it is in the New Testament. Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”

Furthermore, 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/01/richard_price.php

Thomas Jefferson rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, calling it “mere Abracadabra” and “hocus-pocus phantasm.” The Church of Jesus Christ
(LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts and the Founders.

If you had read the Book of Mormon instead of throwing out blind accusations, you would know that it begins in 600 BC, and that much of the words and teachings found in the old testament were already accessible to the Jews. These scriptures were cherished and brought with the people of the Book of Mormon on their journey. It is no different than when Isaiah is quoted by prophets in the New Testament.

AMEN !!!

Thanks, but Christians would rather turn to God’s Word, the Bible, not what some scholar says. Nice try, though…

And what are your options now?

Ernest, why not a joint heir in power? Even CS Lewis believed Christ intends to give us some kind of perfection if we are to become ‘one’ with Him.

Interesting … so they think it’s ok to punish the innocent, unborn child with a death penalty because of the father’s crime. That’s very tragic … and WARPED!

Your claims are biased and completely unsubstantiated.

Even ex mormons know you are off your rocker.

Natalee, the Bible does not teach the Trinity. The Trinity is a doctrine invented by man at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, which council was not held through an ecclesiastical leadership, but was instead was organized Constantine, the pagan emperor of Rome. Re-read John 17 and ask yourself how Jesus’ intercessory prayer can be read into the Nicene Creed. It cannot. If you truly believe in the Bible, then you will reject the post-Biblical creeds which find no doctrinal basis in the pages of the Bible.

LDS.net is not an authorized LDS website set up by the church.

Linda, the Trinity Doctrine was not taught at Pentecost. It came much later, centuries, in fact. And it was voted on at the Councils that were headed by Constantine the Great. There are several mainline Christian denominations that do not accept some or all of the Nicene Council. So, while members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirm that there is a God, the Father, his Son, Jesus Christ the Savior and Redeemer and the Holy Ghost, we don’t accept the terms Constantine terms of homoousios, or con-substantial, i.e., “of the same substance” of the Father. It is believed that Constantine who headed the Nicene Council, on this particular point, may have exercised his authority. So, since “homoousios” or “con-substantial” are not Biblical, why can’t we believe in the pure and simple Godhead of the New Testament? We beleive that Jesus was born as the Bible says he was, suffered for our sins in the Garden and on the Cross and was Resurrected on the third day and that by no other name is there salvation. I love my Christian brothers and sisters and I fully expect that a certain number of fundamentalist Christians will not vote for Mitt Romney for the sole reason he is a Mormon. But, that is their choice and I wish my choice was not mocked and attacked so often by many who are supposed to love their neighbor.

Leah, how do you define a cult? If Mormons were blinded by adversary, would they go about doing so much good? Nobody in the local congregations is paid for doing anything. Mormons are first responders in any disaster. You should check out their website at http://www.mormon.org

Except that YOU believe in 3 as 1 God as well. Mormons are quite clear on their beliefs. God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. I only count one God there, but you believe in THREE, somehow mashed into one. I am not sure that scripture proves your point or your hypocrisy.

So you believe that your works, will be sorted out by God later? you don’t think that God is big enough, and smart enough to figure it all out without your works? That is not what Jesus taught. Jesus promised us that his words would never be lost. He promised us in the Bible that he would keep his word together. You don’t think he is big enough to keep his promises? ULTM.org, check it out, know your history. I do believe that LDS can truely have a wonderful relationship with Jesus, I don’t believe all LDS have the “wrong idea” I only wish for my LDS friends to know the freedom that Jesus promised us when we come to know him. Remember Faith, without works is dead… not the other way around.

Yes I lived in SLC for three years. Mormons were kind, welcoming and inclusive. I think you must have encountered some folks who didn’t live their values.

Astute observation.

@celebrity smack: I have a question for you, does it make you feel like your all that, because you call Joseph Smith “Joe” and “Papa Joe” and Moroni “Macaroni” ? To me you sound like a little kid calling someone a name, or are you that ignorant that you think that his name is really “Macaroni”?

. Christ’s church must
bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)

Amos 3:7

He talked to man before. Should he not talk to man now? Or is that scripture wrong?

For someone raised in the church, I’m not certain where you got some of the ideas you have. It sounds like there are a lot of things you either seriously misunderstood to begin with or you remember incorrectly.

Watch this video – it was posted the same day Glenn posted this commentary – coincidence? Hidden camera video of Mormon Endowment Ceremony // bazaar http://youtu.be/ulhM3DNgBzY

Anon – That’s great that Jehovah’s Witnesses receive answers to their prayers! If they truly believe God wants them to be members of that Church, then who am I to doubt their word? If more people in this world would rely on personal revelation instead of listening to some self-serving ecclesiastical leader, we would have a much better society.

And you know these were Mormons and that they harassed you because you were not a Morman? I am sorry but this does not sound very credible at all. In addition to living in SLC, two of my aunts converted so I encountered their Mormon friends all the time. What I saw were a bunch of very nice people who came in when my aunt was ill and took care of her.

I don’t think you understood, or read the comment, he was quoting the bible.

That’s not even the official church website. Everyone here needs to read the facts: http://www.lds.org

Mr. Opinion. Give me actual proof in favor of the historical claims made by the book of Mormon, there are none. Not only that but we know that there were no societies in the new world that had anything like the level of sophistication claimed by Mormonism. Also, the native Americans are of Asiatic descent, not middle eastern. They didn’t even have the wheel, which makes chariots a little tough to drive, not to mention the fact they had no horses. Take a page from Glenn and provide evidence in support of your statements. Mormonism fails its most basic test, that of historicity. The Mormon Prophet was either a nut or a con-man and did what so many of his age did, that is cast the people of the ancient near east in a middle-ages light, as was common with popular fiction and art. Either back up the historical claims with non-Mormon aligned studies or admit that there is no historical basis for Mormonism. If you still want to beleive that is your choice but it is a choice that has no anchor to reality.

Wow……Wendi…. You obviously have addressed the subject before. It would take me a longer time to gather up all the scriptures to back my position…….just off the top of my head would be “I and the Father are one”. Jesus ‘ words……..God said “let US create man in OUR image”. Jesus said……If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father… Jesus said “I am”. The great I Am…..not to mention the miracles while Jesus walked His three year ministry……Raising the dead….the miracle of His own resurrection..
Let me be clear as a Christian, I have no lack of love for my Mormon friends and I love And pray for the very brave Glenn Beck. And I support Mitt Romney…..just for the record. We just disagree with who we say Jesus is. I don’t think one can call Him Lord and Savior without believing He is God…..how could mere man forgive my sins and assure my eternity in heaven. No, I don’t worship three different Gods, I worship three in one. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
I’m not sure but I believe the Holy Scriptures of God came before the Book of Mormon.
Sorry I’m not as gifted in my response as you are. But I think Mormons are some of the best people and families in America. We can learn much from their example of family, patriotism, and good clean living. I do not agree that the Mormon Church is a Christian Church. Christian means a follower of Christ, the second person of the Trinity.
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I know the bible didn’t teach the “Trinity”.. But when I read the bible I read the concept all over the bible… I also read LDS here saying they believe the same conept… its refreshing… 3 beings, one in mind. I guess everyone has a different interpretation.. Jeremy I will read your suggestion. with an open mind… happily. thank you.

Faith without works, is dead this comes from chapter 2 of the Epistle of James, the so called brother of the Lord. Who I believe was a son of the widower Joseph. Joseph adopted Jesus by naming Him. No proof that he was ever a disciple of Jesus. http://www.abu.nb.ca/courses/ntintro/Jas.htm

John Kerry used this in his debate with George W. Bush

James uses as examples Rehab the Prostitute, however she and her family were saved by binding a line of scarlet thread in the window JOS 2:18.

Abraham before he started up the hill with Issac, said we will be back Gen 22:5.

I believe you are saved 100% by GRACE, (Jesus gets all the credit you get none) that Jesus shed his blood for all that he might select those by their faith for his Kingdom. Many are called few are Chosen.

I think you really need to re-read your bible kiddo. Jesus himself said ” there is none good but God”. You cannot be good enough to get to heaven. Your Catholic background and theology has led you to believe you can earn your way top heaven. Not. Repentance, and obedience to God. Not the church!!

You can close your eyes all you want but those of us who choose to open them see that Romney has a stellar record where his decisions as a public official consistently favored life. You should be embarrassed that you don’t know this.

Wow, that is one serious misquote.

If that is the case, then what do you do with the phrase. Jesussaid” You are of your father the devil” when he spoke to the pharisees. They were actually the religious order of the day. So even religious people cannot be saved. You must be born again. John 3:3

Christ’s church must represent man’s potential correctly 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Psalm 82, John 10:34 “If we are children (of
God),” wrote the apostle Paul to the Romans (8:17, New International Version), “then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.” “To him that overcometh,” says the Savior to John the Revelator (3:21, KJV), “will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear.”

Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was part of Early Christian belief. St. Athanasius of Alexandria (Eastern Orthodox) wrote, regarding theosis, “The Son of God became man, that we might become God.” Irenaeus wrote in the late 2nd Century: “we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods” Justin Martyr in mid 2nd Century said: “all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and of having power to become sons of the Highest”

St. Jerome the translator of the Latin Vulgate Bible, (d. A.D. 419), wrote that “God made man for that purpose, that from men they may become gods. They who cease to be mere men, abandon the ways of vice, and are become perfect, are gods and sons of the Most High” Clement of Alexandria said worthy men “are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the
other gods that have been first put in their places by the Savior.” Origen in reference to 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 said “Now it is possible that some may dislike what we have said representing the Father as the one true God, but admitting other beings besides the true God, who have become gods by having a share of God . . As, then there are many gods, but to us there is but one God the
Father, and many Lords, but to us there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

The Gospel of Thomas (which pre-dates the 4 Gospels, but was considered non-canonical by the Nicene Council) quotes the Savior: “He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him,” (Gospel of Thomas 50, 28-30, Nag Hammadi Library in English, J.M.Robinson, 1st ed 1977; 3rd ed. 1988) For further information on this subject, refer to http://NewTestamentTempleRitual.blogspot.com The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) agrees with Early Christian church leaders regarding theosis.

Your ignorance is showing. What decisions did Romney make as governor of MA that were pro abortion, and what did he make that were pro life? You seriously need to study up if you want to argue a point you know nothing about, then your false piety will die down.

Remember how Glenn talks about the temple as being a holy and sacred place? Those who don’t understand the temple won’t understand what happens in the temple. This video is highly offensive to me as a Mormon because the Temple is a sacred place to me. These are things of god that someone has made light of, and the things of God should not be mocked. I would appreciate it if this link was removed.

How can a spirit eat fesh. Jesus ate with his disciples after he arose from the grave.

Such silly arguments about whether Mormons are Christians or whether God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 or 1. The bottom line is whether being ‘Mormon’ makes you a good person or a bad one. There are good people and bad people in and out of every religion. However, having faith or belief in God and Jesus Christ and then using that faith to build your life certainly can’t be a bad thing in my book. Mitt Romney has practiced his faith all his life and has proven himself to be a worthy candidate for the office of president. It wouldn’t matter if he is a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Jehovah’s Witness or a member of any other ‘Christian’ denomination. He is a man of faith who puts his beliefs into daily practice. If there is anyone else out there that is more qualified to be president, I’ll be first in line to vote him/her in.

You are limiting the power of Christ’s atonement when you make such claims. Be careful. If he told us to be one with him, like he is one with the Father, that logically doesn’t mean we lose individuality, and neither does he from the Father. Furthermore, when he COMMANDS us to be PERFECT, surely that is not some devious prank that he knows we can never achieve, but something that our personal Savior will work intimately with us throughout the eternities to achieve.

Seems you are putting words in my mouth here. and thats okay.. I respect your opinion.. I am confidant in my beliefs.. and I respect that others are in theirs. Doesn’t mean i have to agree with them, and if I feel the need or desire to whitness to them I will… just like those missionaries that knock on my door and tell me my beliefs are wrong. I didn’t say I dont attend a church, my day is mostly filled with different christian teachings and teachers. I attend bible studdies, I attend a non denominational church… Also absolutely believe that God has enough power to answer my (and everyone’s) prayers individually. I have no idea where you took that from. Just because I call things out like they are, doesn’t mean Im persecuting anyone… I appreciate truth, not spin.

Beck (above video) “There’s no Mormon missionary swat team sneaking up on your position right now (pause) that I’ll tell you about…”

Wow…I’m so sorry we have to have this argument in the family of God. We’re always going to have minor differences even those who sit under the same covering …but what counts is what the Bible says. Holy Scripture says in I John 4:2 “By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God…and I Corinthians 12:3 “Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.” Unbelievers must be saying, “There goes the church again, fighting amongst themselves….who needs enemies?” p.s. If the Jesus we are talking about is the Christ…that means He is anointed of God…so Glenn is speaking of the Christ as are Christians. And by the way I am an Evangelical Christian

If it is your attempt to spark anger into the hearts of Mormons, you are failing miserably.

It’s not that members of the LDS faith believe that they “need” Joseph Smith, ecclesiastical leaders, garments, or the Book of Mormon, it’s that God has provided these things to his children in the last days, just as he has done since Adam, so that they could better understand God’s plan for them. Why would anyone refuse things that God wants you to have today in favor of things God gave his children centuries ago?

You did make one comment that rings quite true, though. Without modern day prophets and the Book of Mormon (or if the Book of Mormon were false), the LDS Church would truly be “nothing” as you suggest. In fact it would be just like every other Christian denomination where men feebly attempt to interpret scripture without the divine guidance of an apostle or a prophet, and the Bible would have to stand on its own in direct contradiction to 2 Cor 13:1 which requires two witnesses to establish any eternal truth.

So clear that he prays to the Father, and so clear that Stephen sees Jesus on the right hand of God before he is martyred? You refuse to allow someone to see the teachings of the Bible differently, when logic is more on their side than your own? Of course if you deny Jesus you deny the Father. It’s like if you disobey a police officer who gives you the law, you disobey those who write the law. Jesus asks us to be one with him as he is one with the Father. That doesn’t mean we merge physically, but that we stand with him in all things as he stand on the right hand of the Father. Why can’t people see this simple logic???

EXACTLY! He’s running as a Republican. No different than Kennedy running as a Democrat.

Scrambo — it’s called the Holy Spirit.

Listen, we’re voting for the President of OUR COUNTRY. We deserve to know what he believes and make our own decision. There were plenty of Mormons including Beck mocking (and I don’t defend Liberation Theology) but yes, plenty of mocking when it’s someone else. I research Liberation Theology and knew it was dangerous and Marxist and now, to say that Americans should not know who this Mitt Romney is and what he believes is just wrong.

The difference is the United Order is not forced, communism is.

BTW – It’s clear that the “sacred” excuse is a cover for something that rather is a secret society. I’m out. As far away from this as I can get.

I’m old enough to remember (early 70s) when they’d say “I’m not a Christian, I’m a Mormon.” So what’s changed here? Also, I do believe they teach that the God we worship is “the only one with whom we have to do” or something close to that- IOW, there are other G/gods, but this is the only one we have to answer to or have any dealings with. Isaiah 43, end of verse 10 and 11 would seem to contradict that. Also Isa. 44:6 and 8; 45:5,6; 46:21. IIRC they even teach that “As God was, so man is. As God is, so man may become.” Malachi 3:6 and Ps. 90:2 would seem to contradict that as well. Glenn (and Pat, Mitt, or any of a number of LDS people you could name) may very well be great people and whatnot, but there are some irreconcilable differences between LDS and Christian theology. We may both be wrong, but no more than one of us can be right.

really? your really going to deny that in temple marriage one man can have more then one eternal wife? You cant take two women in at one time, unless one is dead, and being resented by a living person. So is spirital polygamy different then earthly polygamy? if you believe so,I guess you are right.. the bible teaches me that there are no marriages in heaven… so I go with that.
Oh I have to say you got me there about the BOM, D&C, and POGP… or maybe you read me wrong… either way.. do the research you can pick the original up yourself, google it, whatever. There are signifigant changes to “the most correct book on earth”.

It really makes it difficult to take your comments seriously when you show such disrespect to someone we believe is a Prophet of God by calling him only by a nickname, or by your sarcasm. It’s impossible to discuss this in a mature manner with an immature person. Please grow up before expressing your opinion on this subject.

Ok, they say they don’t believe in the trinity, then why on the very first page of the Book of Mormon does it say that they do?

Links to Mormonism and Islam: http://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/08/a-latter-day-saint-perspective-on-muhammad and http://www.uvu.edu/religiousstudies/mormonismandislam/ and http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/02/local/me-morlims2 and BYU Opens Massive Islamic Art Exhibit (last Feb 2012) watch video: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19343279&title=byu-opens-massive-islamic-art-exhibit&s_cid=featured-1

Suppose you look up the beginning of the “Trinity”, not the early Christians – the 4th century Bishops introduced it. God is God; Jesus is his “only begotten Son, his inheritance is the Earth, Lord of Lords and King of Kings; the Holy Spirit is that power that God uses. Jesus is NOT God. He stands at the right hand of his Father God, (I have not a thought about HOW the official Church leaders think of Jesus in the Godhead.)

Your “scholars” seem to have forgotten the words of Christ Himself in Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”. http://bible.cc/matthew/28-19.htm The most important word there is capitalized (by me) “NAME”. Not “names”. The singular nature of the word “name” shows that the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is ONE God with Three persons.

A lot of traditional Christians don’t believe in the Trinity. To believe in the Trinity–meaning the Godhead, where the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all one “person”–means that Christ was praying to himself in the garden of Gethsemane. Think about it.

What is your position on Reverend Wright, and Obama sitting in his church for over 20 years after he converted from Islam. People chose to ignore Obama’s religious affiliations and connections. I would think Romney should have the same RIGHTS.

I am also sorry for your bad experiences. But you know, I’ve worked for many employers around the world and i didn’t judge their religions based on how they treated me in the workplace. Sure, it reflects poorly when someone doesn’t live what they preach, but really…judge 14 million people on the actions of four people you’ve known?

Oh how I love your wording.. Thank you… I just keep making people mad. Bravo.

Glenn, I’m proud of you!! I know it’s hard, especially when you KNOW you’re going to step on some toes, but this was the absolute right thing to do. I don’t think people are as anti-Mormon as they are just not clued in to what we believe. Rumor mills are rampant…it’s a great idea to set the record straight and start the dialogue.

“Polygamy is against everything we believe” however it is the reason Mormonism was started..

Leah, the “some scholar” was educated at Moody Bible School and once held your views. However, when he found that the Johannine Comma was not in the earliest versions of the Bible, it gave him pause. These things are not taught in Bible Schools, only in mainline Christian Seminaries, not the fundamentalist Bible Schools, so it is no wonder these things are not taught to fundamentalist Christians . . . their preachers don’t know about it.

So, while you are totally free to interpret the Bible how you wish, it does not mean that you get to decide who is and who is not Christian and that those who believe in the Biblical Godhead and not the 4th century Creeds and Councils are not Chrsitian. Had God wanted the term “Trinity” in the Bible, he would have inspired it. If He wanted homoousios, or consubstantial in there, He would have inspired John or Paul to write it. He didn’t.

So, while we can agree to disagree, why repeat the “Mormons are not Christian” line over and over? It is pretty clear there were proto-orthodox Christians long before the Creeds and Councils and their beliefs have much in common with Latter-day Saints. They even called themself ‘saints”.

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Polygamy existed in Judaism, Islam and OTHER religions AND even in several pagan religions.

We are not, the Bible says that we are his creations, only believers in Jesus Christ are his children.

Wouldn’t it be great if God provided a prophet or apostles on earth today to tell us how to interpret those scriptures?

Christ only formed one Church during his mortal ministry, a Church that survived decades after his crucifixion based on the principles of revelation and priesthood authority. It wasn’t until the prophet (Peter) and the remaining apostles were either killed or died that there started to be significant departures in Christ’s doctrines. Eventually Christ’s church fell into full fledged apostasy, as evidenced through the Dark Ages.

Today there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations. Why? Because each Church and individual will interpret Bible the way that fits their own needs or opinions. This is contrary to how God has ALWAYS communicated with his children

By making that statement, you have shown not only a severe lack of understanding of the Mormon religion but also complete ignorance for the
foundations of your own religion. Look up where the idea of holy trinity began. Putting that aside, Mormon’s are Christians because they believe in Jesus Christ. If you’d like the definition of Christianity, I would suggest CS Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” as a reference. They believe in the Jesus that was born to Mary in Bethlehem, the son of God. Simply because they disagree with the common perception of who Jesus Christ was does not make them “not Christian”.

Polygamy is an effective recruiting tool for men.

Do the Mormons still believe that they will ultimately, if found worthy, be rewarded and have their own world to repopulate other spirits and be the god of their own planet?

My Lord, people are more concerned of Morman that they are of obama’s muslim faith. obama’s islam beheads us infidels, burns churches, stones women, rapes, kills and calls it honor and that 70 virgins will be waiting on them with the more infidels they kill. And they are afraid of mormans!? For crying out loud. obama has romanced the terrorists and slandered the mormans. But, obama didn’t tell anyone that Mitt was a missionary in Europe for almost 3 years of his life, a missionary for Jesus Christ. obama poked fun of Jesus’ sermon on the Mount and had the audience laughing their heads off and clapping. Now, a missionary for Christ, or a blaspheming muslim who hates Jesus.

So? Did you actually read ANY of it? Obviously not. The LATimes? LOL!!!

That’s incorrect. The bible consistently mentions it without negative connotation. Exodus 21:10 basically tells men to take care of the second wife equally with the first (as far as food, clothes, etc.) but no negative connotation. And almost every main character in the Bible “suffered greatly” so that argument is not effective.

If you read your Bible as you suggest I do, you’d know that.

So Dawn — progressing to godhood isn’t taught in your church. So i suppose you have all the answers. Great! However, what does your church say happens after death? seriously? do we just sit around and worship at the feet of God? Hmmm, feet of God…God must have feet! Sorry, been reading the comments here and folks make fun of my faith all the time. We do believe God, our Heavenly Father has a body. We do believe Jesus Christ is His literal Son. What cinched my discovery of the Church was when I asked Mormon missionaries serving in Korea, “Please tell me what happened to Jesus’ body when, as it says in the Bible, He ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father.” and the young Elder said, “He still has it.!” Boom! that was the moment. First of all, there is the condition of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ being SEPARATE beings here because it says in the Bible He sits AT THE RIGHT HAND of the Father. And second, the scripture says Jesus Christ still has his body. The doctrine of the Trinity was conceived at a time in the history of the world when unenlightened men tried to figure out who God was. Just because I happen to see the nature of God differently than you doesn’t mean it’s wrong. It’s just different.

Do the Mormons still believe that the Faithful be rewarded with their own planet to populate?

Come back to the Church ForMotionCreatv…you’ll be glad you did.

Centuries ago women died young, men took several wives, even married the widows of their brothers. BOTTOM LINE – today’s Mormon’s do not accept polygamy any more than today’s Jews do.

There’s no ‘perhaps’ about it and it’s good the people harassing you had to answer for what they did. No one should be harassed because of their faith. That kind of behavior is absolutely opposite to the teachings of the Church.

Getting to Heaven isn’t a work that WE can do. Reference Ephesians 2:8-10: 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (NIV)

Our works are what we were created to do…not what gets us into Heaven. Christ already DID that for those who believe. (John 3:16)

We can never be perfect like Jesus. We are to strive to be but it’s impossible. That is why he came and died for us, for our sins. We believe he saved us through grace. Jesus is God’s son & has no mother. We can not just do good works to get us to heaven but good works gives us rewards in heaven. We will never be a god. He is our father even when we reach heaven. We are not to add to the Bible & the Book of Mormon does.

Communism begins as a friendly-helping people ideology as well – there are many cults that started out happy and “good” (not saying Mormonism is a cult – speech police are listening)

Billy, I can honestly say I don’t know enough about the Catholic religion to say one way or another.. I believe and the bible teaches confession between you and God alone is enough. God bless.

No, he was quoting Ehrman quoting the scriptures. Rather odd that he should mention the KJV passage because that’s the version that the Mormon missionaries carry.

Sorry — don’t buy this at all. I have never, never seen this kind of behavior by an organizated group of Mormons. If it’s some stupid kids in the neighborhood, and they were caught and punished, great. But it’s foolhardy to label an entire religion based the actions of a few idiots. From your description, it sounds like the Mormons there were huddled in their tents, papers spread out and targeting residents who were non-LDS for mischief. come on. Really?

Matthew 19 makes no mention WHATSOEVER of polygamy, but rather it’s discussing lust and ABANDONING your first wife to get a new one, that’s very different from what we are discussing.

And actually if anything Matthew 19 is proof in point of polygamy’s use, Jesus is basically saying not to divorce people but that man is fallible and so will want a new wife. Polygamy would basically be a compromise there since the sin is divorcing in the first place. Polygamy has never once been condemned by Jesus, God, Allah, or any other of the Abrahamic faiths.

And polygamy is still in Christianity’s doctrine, just not in the churches which have banned it out of social pressure.

LDS believe that Jesus Christ’s atonement is infinite. He is and will eternally be our Savior. God the Father is the author of our salvation. It is their work and their glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. See Romans 8:16-17.

And especially so with Mormons, who to this day (18 percent won’t vote for someone because he is one) are persecuted.

So many Lies, there are many websites where you can check the facts. I left Mormonisim after 46 years and was a “hi ranking temple goer” , with a long family history from the start of the church. Most mormons don’t ever read the history and are told..” If the prophet has said it, the thinking is done” , it’s more akin to masonry than Christianity. Dont be fooled just because the say the same Christian words, they do mean different things as has been mentioned… go to http://www.utlm.com and read for a couple of weeks… almost no one will and thats why they can get away with claiming the christian sameness. As a chile I was told we are not christians, e are mormons, as a teenager all of a sudden we were now christians, as an adult I saw every church Ward bldg. change the decades old 3 spires on the bldg. to a traditional single spire as most Cristian churches had, so we would look more like a typical
Christian church……Glen is a baby in time in the church and is weak in his knowledge, Love you Glen but you are wrong in many areas relating to the church..the ever changing god of mormonisim continues to make changes as need to stay out of trouble…the Christian God is never changing and is and always was… he didn’t grow up on another planet and do really good and was awarded godhood and many wives to populate his own planet, while his brother satan was bad boy, but still his brother, so he didn’t get a planet.

The Roman Emperor invited certain church leaders to Nicene to create a Universal Church that everyone in the Empire could follow. These leaders brought with them their records. The committees that created the Universal Church also combed through these records to create a Bible. Only a fraction of the records where allowed in the Bible and many of the things that where allowed in went through compromises. The Roman government and the church leaders had to agree. The Church that Christ had set up was change to one of the doctrines of these men, with a mingling of scripture. This is where the traditions of the so called Traditional Christian Church come from. They where strengthened over the thousand plus years when the Universal Church had a Government mandated monopoly and all apposition was terminally dealt with. As I understand The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say their Church and Christs priesthood authority where restored, by the resurrected Christ, the same as he did in The Church of Jesus Christ in the Meridian of Time. I find this as good as any explanation for the differences in traditions.

With the ammount of research Glenn does on everything else and takes the common sense approach after he has all the facts, I am suprised that he is a mormon. The whole hour was great but much of it was on sided and clearly only from what the church taught. I cannot say that I am completely unbiased here but clearly Glenn does dismiss a lot of the history and changes through out the years in Mormon history, including its very dark beginnings and the huge failings of its founders.

But DNA and archaeological evidence prove the Bible. The Book of Mormon has been refuted by both.

Romney is running as a Republican not as a Mormon. Just like Kennedy ran as a Democrat and not as a Catholic. I don’t hold today’s Catholics responsible for the Inquisition. And I believe Obama when he says he’s no longer a muslim.

I’m so glad to see that you are so much smarter than Theologians and Bible Scholars. Stuck in your man made traditions. Knowing nothing of the history of the Church or the Bible. Read your own Bible – even his Disciples at the time of his death and resurrection believed that he was a Great Prophet – listen to the two on the road to Emaus. Like so much else the Church has done to bring in pagans – they adopted whatever – the Trinity which didn’t come into being until the 4th century, Christmas trees – from Gaul’s, Now we have Santa Claus instead of celebrating the birth of Jesus, we bring presents to each other and the Wise Men brought gifts to the child, We have the Easter Bunny and Easter Eggs instead celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.

As for the book of Mormon – taking it for what it says – translated from a book of gold leaves or plates found in NY – it doesn’t come before or after the bible – but sort of in the time soon after Rehoboam became King of Judah but before until after the resurrection of Jesus and a few years more – until they were killed off and only the book remained hidden until it was shown to Joseph Smith. You don’t have to believe any of that – but that is the time frame for the book of Mormon – and now you know about as much about that as how the bible was cobbled together to fit the beliefs of the Bishops and priests that put it together – or the version of the bible that you cling to.

most Christians are ignorant of Christianity and the book they purport to believe is God’s Holy Word. They are ignorant of history concerning both. The blind leading the blind – all on faith. Cherry picking these verses and not worrying about those.

There are MANY faiths with “dark beginnings”. Romney isn’t running on ancient Mormon beliefs anymore than Obama ran as a former Muslim. Romney’s running as a Republican.

Look it up yourself. I’m not going to waste any more time looking up physical proof that won’t convince you anyway. We believe in God because of spritual confirmations, not because of intellect, and no amount of physical proof is enough for those of you who have already decided not to listen to the spiritual proof.

But just for fun . . . do the “moundbuilders” ring a bell? They were more advanced than any of the contemporary native american tribes. Then you have a distinction between the Mississippian cultures and the earlier builders which is explained by the Nephite and prior Jaredite civilizations in the Book of Mormon. Also, Horses DID exist in north America and I can walk down the street from my house to the Natural History museum and see the fossilized skeletons of them dug up from sites in Wyoming. Descriptions of items from the Book of Mormon exactly describe mesoAmerican artifacts that are on display at several museums, including the British museum.

The evidence is there. But it is not enough to convince of spiritual things just as miracles never convinced the wicked at Jesus’ time.

It is wonderful that we live in a time and in a country where you can believe anything you want to. wasn’t always so.

I talked with some Mormon missionaries who were trying to tell me about their faith and I specifically asked them, do you believe Jesus is Lucifer’s brother? They said “yes maam” I said, “Jesus is God.” They said “No maam.” They are not bible-believing Christians. As far as being great people, they believe they are saved by their works so of course they are great people. John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…. (titled the Deity of Jesus Christ in one of the bibles). Mormons are nice people, grew up around them and, until God saved me, it didnt matter to me what they believed but I found out that it is in contradiction to the bible and the true Jesus. If we care about people, are we just going to say, “they are nice people so it’s okay” or are we going to try to help them on the right way, Jesus is the only way (the right Jesus) not by our works or by baptism (baptism is obedience to God but it does not save).

thank you

I believe that you believe – I also believe that on Judgement day – GOD will judge you for what you have done – not what you believe.

http://www.utlm.com is not a valid domain name. You want truth restored, go to http://www.lds.org

What would you expect from a Mormon…. disagreement with its doctrine and beliefs? Glen is a Mormon himself and not to use his influence through his media possibilies would be regarded by his fellow members as disrepectful to the church. That being said, I still will vote for Mitt the businessman, not Mitt the Mormon. My biggest hang up with this religion is that even tho it is not widely known even by the membership, is that a belief they have is that God came down from heaven in mortal form, got into bed with is daughter Mary, conceived Jesus and ascended back to heaven. The belief also is that from this conception that Jesus is in all actuality, a bastard son. Well, they can have this as their god and saviour, one of incest and illegitimatcy, but this is definatley not my God and my Saviour.

So you think Christ was praying to himself and testifying of himself when he said he did nothing that except he father commanded. I Think the trinity is a God head of three united in purpose.

By saying “ye are gods,” Jesus is quoting an unflattering passage in the OT essentially telling the Pharisees they’re unjust in their judgements without using those words.

Anyone who behaves this way certainly would not be living their religion., I have been a Mormon for 47 years and have NEVER heard of anyone treating another that way because they weren’t Mormons.. It certainly isn’t something we learn in church.

If you want to know the truth ask God. Read the Book of Mormon for yourself and ask God sincerely in humble prayer if it truly is a second witness of Jesus Christ and He will answer you. He desires a personal relationship with each one of us, that is why we are told to pray and search the scriptures.

Amen

you have it

thank you

Regarding not receiving answers to prayers, do you believe that an individual can pray to God about which church to attend and receive a confirmation? From what others of your faith have told me, you do not. You believe that if you pray to God for those things, the devil will answer you. Your tactics of “witnessing” are nothing like Mormon missionaries. They walk door to door offering to teach about what Mormons believe. People like you go around teaching false information about what others believe. When people try to defend what they believe, you ignore presented information and attempt to tear people down. That is persecution. When presented with questions about your own faith, you change the subject and repeat what your preacher told you, going on blind faith. I know this because I have family who claim to be “Christians” like yourself. At a family gathering, they sat around me in a circle and started asking me questions, as if they were really curious. But they are not curious. They follow their pastor and do what he says, trying to find ways to tear a person down. It didn’t work, mind you, and I don’t believe doing that to anyone is ant evidence of real Christianity.

I normally don’t post, but this is simply wrong. Yes, I am a Mormon. I understand that some don’t believe we are Christians. This argument goes into definitions of what a Christian is. This is not what I want to discuss. You mentioned that we “do not believe in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross, nor that his shed blood is redemptive.” Each week I go to church and take the sacrament in remembrance of that atoning sacrifice. He is my Lord and Savior! It is only through that atonement that we can be saved. You mentioned we don’t have crosses. As you are right the cross is a symbol of his sacrifice and death. But it is only a symbol. We could choose many symbols of his sacrifice…the cross…an olive tree from the garden….an empty tomb…the stone rolled away. In short, we celebrate his sacrifice but instead of the cross we celebrate the end result. An empty tomb…resurrection. Not just for him, but for all mankind as well. We honor his sacrifice and worship him through our covenants to Him and how we strive to live our lives.

That would be Salee, Billy Bob. I am not judging anyone….I’m merely stating the difference between Momons and Christians when it comes to who Jesus is.

Thank you so much for this, Glenn! I have been a Mormon for almost 10 years and my husband for 41, and we both learned something. We both appreciate it very, very much. Thank you.

The LDSs must be overjoyed that you tell them what they believe and when they correct you with love you, respond with Bigoted and hated filled rants. Just because your traditions say you are right and they are wrong it doesn’t mean a thing to the Savior. He might say to you when you say you did this in his name that he knows you not. I do not want to be one judged for persecuting the Saints in these the last days. I chose to follow Christ new law to love one another.

you need to read alot more and know what you are talking about before you get on the computer next time

Hello Dawn, let us pray that Romney won’t mistake the earth as being his to rule as its god. (note, no capital letter in god, there is only one GOD and he is the God of all universes, the great I AM.) The business of the underwear, I asked a young man in a Vegas washroom why he was wearing long johns in 102 degree weather and he told me he was an elder in the Mormon church, they had better be magic to prevent heat stroke LOL. I am not going to mention things they can and cannot eat or drink, don’t have time to write a book. Most who believe in the Holy spirit also believe in angelic tongues whereas they will speak as the spirit gives them utterance. acts 2: 4 Have a blessed day lovely lady.

Benjamin Franklin

you have always known this is the truth from the beginning, but some people become to much in the world and just forget the truth

You are so completely deceived.

Mexican American War, Glenn not the Spanish American War.

This is a great topic and discussion to come from Glenn…the very simple truth ALL Christians need to understand…that the way to the Father is through Jesus…then every other church doctrine fades away.

I’ve been raised Catholic, but I don’t see where in the Bible we are instructed to pray to Mary. I firmly know the Bible to be God’s Word, yet can’t find it anywhere. That’s because its church doctrine.

Now, Jesus did bestow upon Peter the responsibility of building the Church…and I do believe “Church” to be a Holy place. However, Churches are run by Man, and Man is flawed.

I have come to the conclusion that I don’t put any faith in Man-run organizations, because I know that the very Nature of Man is fallen. What I do place all of my trust and faith in is God, Jesus, and his Holy Spirit as described in The Bible.

All of these wars, and deaths, and disagreements are based on earthly interpretations. Like a bunch of irresponsible children arguing over who’s ball it is. “No, it’s mine!” “No, MINE!”

Providing we believe Jesus to be God’s only begotten Son, sent to bring us closer to God and suffer to pay for our sins, and that through Jesus is the way to heaven…then I could care less what church you go to. Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, Mormon….

…what should matter is the Truth. HIS Truth. Not our vein definitions and interpretations. I’m reminded of Jesus whenever he spoke with the Jewish religious scholars of His day. Questioning Him with earthly, limited, doubting questions. Deliberately trying to entrap God with His own Word. Foolish men.

I see Christian church disagreements exactly the same.

thank you

Even Glenn says we’ll have to hold Romney’s feet to the fire.

Many mormons appear to be very nice people. But man judges the outward and God judges the heart. Many mormons do not really know all that is in their religion. It is truly a cult like all the other Jesus bloodless cults. Jesus is God and God’s children are born again of the Spirit and are not mormon.

As a Christian who has struggled in the last 10 yrs in my faith, I have come out of that struggle with 1 thought. I am grateful to God for the love He gives me by providing me with His Son to sacrifice for my sins. And be if far from me to say who He allows into His Heaven. He made the sacrifice, so he gets to choose. I remember there’s a passage in the New Testament that states some we might think will get in, won’t, but those we think won’t, will. It’s up to Him. Yes, we can have confidence in our own salvation, but be it far from me to say who else gets in.

The problem with that is that the “Father” is a personage. The “Son” is a personage. The “Holy Spirit” is not a personage.

The Holy Spirit is the “Power” of God, how God is omnipotent, able to be everywhere.

Hi Terri, are you going to heaven with us or are you going to get your own planet to rule? I don’t want a planet of my own, I am getting tired and seek only to rest beside the river of life. Have a blessed day.
Benjamin Franklin

I just whipped out my Bible to check this out. FilmDoctor, I’m finding that although this passage does imply marriage between a man and a woman, and that they do indeed become ‘one’ flesh, that it does not state that “Jesus says God defines marriage as between ONE man and ONE woman”.
Further, I believe the teaching in this passage is on divorce, not marriage. Regarding divorce, Jesus here states that although Moses allowed divorce for many reasons, “because their (your) hearts were hard”, it was not like that from the beginning (when God brought Eve to Adam and performed the first marriage). In the beginning God said, ” What God (I) have joined together, let not man separate (put asunder). I don’t see an exception there!
It appears that Jesus goes on to tell them that there is one exception, according to His teaching here, and that is that “anyone who divorces his wife except for marital unfaithfulness, AND MARRIES ANOTHER woman, commits adultery”. Basically, their response was something like, “Holy cow! If I can’t divorce her for burning my toast or not ironing my shorts, it’s just not worth getting married”. That’s humorous, but it wasn’t far different from that. They could, before Jesus’ teaching here, divorce for about any reason whatever. Jesus was not quite reinstating the original teaching of God, but was making it much more strict than in Moses’ day.

If you mean do Mormons believe in God the Eternal Father, His son Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost? Yes, they do. Do they believe that Jesus Christ was born flesh and blood here on Earth? – of course they do.
They believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, that He was born in Bethleham to a virgin who was espoused to Joseph. It’s all there in the New Testament of The Bible; most likely the same version you read every Sunday. (KJV)
Things I couldn’t figure out when I was looking for spiritual answers……
Does Jesus Christ have His Fathers body? My answer is No, Jesus has a body of His own, How could Jesus be His own father looking down as He was baptized by John?
Are Jesus Christ and God the same person? My answer is No, Jesus is the son of God. As God is the father of us all, we are all children of our Heavenly Father.
So many pastors, ministers, priests, etc couldn’t answer the questions I had as a teenager. So I kept looking. Those were some major questions I had growing up and nobody liked my answers until I met the LDS (Mormon) missionaries and they agreed with me! They also didn’t think I was crazy when I told them that God had to have a body if He could “walk” “speak” have a “finger” an “arm” or have a “right side”… and the biggie- make us “in His own image”
I think that there are different religions that look at things a bit differently- but have the same goals in their lives to obtain. Don’t we all work towards eternal life in Heaven? It just took me awhile to find the religion that I agreed with. I am Mormon and proud of it.

Here is a biblical scripture that explains how Jesus Christ and God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate but one. Mormons believe in this Biblical scripture: Christ is praying to the Father when he says, “that they (meaning the people he was praying for) may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me , and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” John 17: 21-22 As for polygamy it was practiced in the Bible , the Book of Mormon explains that it is an abomination unless the Lord commands to raise up a righteous people. The practice was abolished in 1890. Anyone participating in polygamy is excommunicated and is not a part of the Mormon church. The part in D&C 132 was given in 1843 and the Official Declaration in the Doctrine and Covenants called for all Latter-day Saints to stop the practice of plural marriage.

Wow! I’ve been a Mormon for 47 years and I haven’t heard that one yet. Hmmm, I must have missed a few sunday school lessons.

My mom joined the LDS Church and her new husband took her to the temple. I ask who would I be sealed to her new husband or my dad that was not LDS. I was told I could be sealed to both and it would be settled in heaven. All of the Temple work is done so these choices can be made when we understand everything up there. Everything is still our choice but the work must be done by proxies in the flesh. I agree that their is only one Christian Church and it is the body of Christ and anyone that excepts that will be excepted by him no matter what church they attend on earth Even or especially the LDSs. Your Bigotry is not binding on Christ.

Salle, You are correct. Many mormons are really good people. But so were those who fell prey to Jim Jones. Joesph Smith was not much more than a talented snake oil salesman who had an education and gift of B.S. Discussion could go on all day long but there are some absolutes if you are a believer. First you recognize and respect the word of God–The Bible. Second, it is a book of God’s rules and commandments. There are more that just 10. One of the most important that relates to this situation is found in Revelations 22:18-19. Simply put… no one has the authority to add to or take away from the Bible as it is God’s work in its entirety. To add this by saying that the Book Of Mormon is more of God’s work is nothing less than blasphemy. This isn’t just a comment by a sideliner, I was a member of the LDS church for 25 years until I opened my eyes and ears, but mainly my heart and let Christ come in. My life has be soooo much better the past 5 years, I find life in a different light… His light.

Hi Alice, we are to become more like Him, but in his earthly form as his own son are we to be his sons and daughters, we are not to be like Him as the ruler of a universe, we are to become as liken to Angels to spend eternity happily praising GOD our Heavenly Father. GOD bless you and yours.

Benjamin Franklin

Surely Harry Reid is not “too scary or weird” to be the person running the Senate. Or is it OK for Harry because he is a Democrat, but it’s not OK because Mitt is a Republican?

John 1:1 – In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

@rmcmillan:disqus
The statement “could not be any clearer” is in reference to the statement made by @twitter-173700359:disqus. She states the Mormon belief regarding the Trinity quite clearly!

You said: “Did any of those have any authority to “create” doctrine? You have what
you have because various and sundry men with no authority say its so?”
Yes! They say it is so! They operated by the truth in 1 John 4:1, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out
into the world.” And on what premise do you state “various and sundry men with no authority”? They were the early church fathers, the keepers and holders of the faith! They had full authority to establish and canonize the Scriptures as we know them today.

You said: “Does it mean that the man Jesus walking around in Galilee prayed to
himself? Does it mean that when he said “I can do nothing of myself, but
that which I have seen the Father do”, he was talking about something
he had seen himself do.”
The reality is, that there are mysteries of God in which we do not fully understand. But, one principal of sound, biblical hermeneutics is, that Scripture interprets Scripture. Thus, in Genesis, “GOD says, let US make man in OUR own image.” and in turn the gospel of John says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God.” We may not fully understand, nor comprehend the mystery of how such is possible, but, 1 John gives a clearer understanding of Genesis and Genesis in turn gives a clearer understanding of 1 John. You cannot pick and choose which scriptures are acceptable and which are not. Scripture must interpret Scripture! Something, mind you, that Mormonism does not practice nor apply!

I find it curious, your entire reply to my post was all questions? Curious that you never delved into my questioning of why Mormonism has no crosses on or in their buildings. You say that in Christ Jesus there is salvation, yet in the very, ugly yet oh so beautiful symbol of that salvation, the cross, where He gave is life as a ransom for all, where He shed His blood as an atonement of sin for all, the cross, a place of shame, the cross, a place of rejection, the cross, a place of condemnation, alas, the cross, the place of salvation! You find no glory in it? You do not raise it up before all as the standard bearer of your faith? Certainly, there is no redeeming value in the symbol of it, even in the actual cross on which Christ died. But the glory of it! The glory of what took place there! The glory of the Son of God, giving his life as a ransom for all! The glory of His precious blood shed for the salvation and redemption of all! Yes, I will glory in the cross! I will hold it high! I will take it as my standard bearer! Yet, in and on the Ward buildings, no cross? The angel Moroni instead?

Since you are obviously into questions, here are a few for you:

Why is it, that the majority of individuals who on the first few pages of the Book of Mormon, who attest to the truth of the writings, are all individuals who are in some way directly or indirectly family related to Joseph Smith? Were there not many others, who were outside his own family, who could not as well vouch for the authenticity of the writings?

Why is it, that a large amount of what takes place in the Temple is of Masonic origin? Including the “holy underwear”.

Joseph Smith as a young man was infatuated by and heavily involved in the work of magic and mystical practices. He was quite apt to use seer stones and perform magical acts. Are not such things forbidden in the Bible? And yet, the entire Mormon faith is intertwined with them, as it was his inclination toward these that led him to the place in which he discovered/uncovered the tablets and “received his vision” from Moroni.

I am not quick to assume anything regarding my personal faith! I live in and solely under the grace of God. I do not have all the answers. But, what I do have is Jesus! THE way, THE truth, and THE life! And I declare with the apostle Paul, “I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded, that HE is able, to keep all that which I have committed to HIM, until that day.”

You never stated in your post, whether or not you are a Mormon, but based upon your defense of it, my assumption is that you are. I do not hate Mormons. Neither do I have any animosity toward them. Frankly, my heart is burdened for them. For their deception of what they believe is the truth is one of darkness veiled in light.

Salee S- Well now……. I can’t say anything but The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints.
There is only ONE Jesus Christ the son of God. There is not a Jesus for this religion and a Jesus for that religion. It depends on how that religion views Jesus Christ as the son of God. Your Jesus is the same as my Jesus- we just have different views of how we see Him. He is my Savior, my Redeemer, He is the living Christ, As a church we love Him, we follow His examples, we testify of Christ throughout our lives, He is the focus of our religion.
He is Jesus Christ the beloved son of God our Heavely Father. There is no other.

The Word, (that was spirit) was sent to be the messiah in the flesh, begotton by God unto the virgin Mary, thusly making God his father. Jesus, lived his earthly life with a mortal body, he was “of the flesh” during his time on earth. He was resurrected back into his spirit body.

So Beck, have the Mormons excommunicated Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?

WHERE did you get THIS? Would you please post the source.

He also said we can co-inherent with him and revive all that he and the Father have that sounds like we can become Gods too.

“And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgement: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.” Hebrews 9:27-28. Judgement after death regardless of the prayers said for you. I have Mormon friends and they live a more moral life than most Christians. I do not judge them as to their salvation, since that is God’s business. However, how can one trust their eternal soul to an idea brought about by a rebellious 14 year old who ‘found some plates in a cave’ in 1820, made his dreams and thoughts into a book in 1830, called it the ‘Word of God’ yet by 1844 was editing the book, disagreeing with his own first printing? The boy was Joseph Smith, who destroyed the Law printing shop because of an article revealing Smiths polygamy. He found himself in jail at Carthage, Illinois over the destruction of William
Law’s print shop. His many followers broke him out, leaving harm and damage. The point is, Mormons believe Jesus was begotten, physically, by their god, and that Jesus is having babies in Heaven as we speak. None of that makes a Mormon dangerous or non-trustworthy. Mormons are not violent nor do they practice terrorism. For my soul, I realized I am a sinner, the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. So I trusted Him, believed He was God in the flesh, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on the cross for me, rose the third day and is in Heaven by His Father making intercession for me, a sinner saved by grace, not of works lest any man should boast. It doesn’t make me better or worse than a Mormon.., it may make a difference in eternity, although if the Mormon has trusted this same Jesus as His Savior, he will be in Heaven. If not, God’s Word, much older than the 1800s, states he will not be. Many people did not trust John Kennedy because he was Catholic.., what we need to remember is who will be a good president.., who cares for America, who is honest.

This has been my experience as well. My wife was in medical school studying for boards and it’s common to find a study partner. She picked someone that lived near us. It was a few weeks before it came up that he was LDS. Not knowing much about the church, and not being religious, we just ‘asked’.. With all the usual caveats about stereotypes.. You’d be hard pressed to find a better group that represents what the ‘right’ means about family values than them. Self reliance? Check.. Hand up, not hand out? Check.. “Hard Sell” on ‘Join Us.. or burn forever..” NOPE… They aren’t much into the whole burning thing and for the 10 years we’ve known them, they have never, ever, tried to pitch the religion to us.. They are just “our friends”

When my daughter went to college near where they live, guess where she went for a weekly home cooked meal..

You know.. they were into ‘prepping’ long before it was a TV show and something crazy Tea Party people do.. (typed with a smile)

Check out the The Council of Nicea. It was believed until 323 AD that God was the Father and Jesus Christ was his only begotten Son and that the Holy Ghost was a personage of spirit. A council decided that they were all one. I know that God lives and Jesus is the Christ and that the Holy Ghost testifies of this great truth to me.

The persecution of the Mormons was wrong, 100 percent wrong.
But Mormons never want to take any blame for condemning everyone who was not a Mormon for not accepting their preacher who is a false prophet.

Do you consider Mohammed a false prophet too?

BTW, Natalie, there are two different “Amy” characters you are conversing with.

I laugh in your bigoted direction. From what I know about the LDS you Know nothing but lies and bigoted deceitful semi- truths. You make a good tool in the devil’s hand.

I believe that God didn’t tell us everything…only what we need to know in order to be ‘saved’ from the penalty of our sins and to become more like Him. We all have many things we would like to know, but won’t until we are with Him in heaven, then we’ll know what we need to know and the rest won’t matter….we’ll know everything He knows. Until then, that’s where ‘faith’ comes in. What is not in God’s Word, many have tried to add according to their own ideas. I, personally, don’t question God or try to fill in the blanks because if He had wanted us to know He would have told us. I believe God’s Word (Bible) to be truth in its entirety. Different translations may say it differently, but it doesn’t change the truth of the Gospel….Jesus was born of a virgin, he lived a sinless life, he gave his life on the cross of Calvary for the sins of the world. He rose from the grave on the 3rd day and he ascended into heaven when His time on earth and the work that he was sent to accomplish was completed. He reigns in heaven now, sitting at the right hand of God, His Father. At the appointed time he will return for His church (believers who have accepted his death on the cross as their redemption and who have lived a life that glorifies God, to the best of their ability and with the aid of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter who came (Acts) to the apostles in the Upper Room after Jesus was taken back to heaven, and who lives in the hearts of all believers. Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.) It is the indwelling Holy Spirit who gives us guidance and direction, speaking to us through the Word (Bible), our prayers, through other Christians,through creation…many ways.
Jesus gave us this COMMANDMENT as to how we are to spread His gospel.
Matthew 28:18-20 (NIV) 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”I don’t personally believe any book other than the Bible because the last chapter in God’s Holy Word says this…in the last few versesRevelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.(Excuse the bold type, don’t know what’s up with that.)Romans 10:9-10 tells us what we must do to be saved
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

I know the Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ – it fills my heart with love and joy. It goes hand in hand with the Bible to tell the world that Jesus is the Christ, that he atoned for the sins of the world and “that there is no other way nor mean whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ.” I challenge anyone to sincerely read the Book of Mormon – study it along with the Bible – with an open heart to find truth – and you will be touched by the holy spirit of God.

Thank you …..I could not have said it better………
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You need a new pastor! You can always go to god in prayer and he will answer through the Holy Ghost in most cases. Sometimes by a heavenly visitation the Bible is full of examples.

In the early 70′s in Southern Calif, I got involved with a girl at university. We went to the Calvary Church tent meetings in Costa Mesa CA. It was truly wonderful. Then I found out the girl was a morman. Falling in love with this girl I was baptized by her father into the morman church. It lasted about 6 months and things were not quite right with their teachings. Very exclusive. They didn’t believe as Christians believe in Jesus and everything was very secretive. I then was given a book by a friend, The truth about mormonism by former churh members. About 6 months later I met my wife of 38 years and was so glad I walked away from the mormon church.
We have counseled former members of the LDS church who were raped in the temple on their marriage day and many times after that. They have gone through hell. Not all is as it seems from the LDS church. If anyone wants the facts please read some of the many books about Mormonism from former members.
Myself I can’t get behind voting for a cult member for President. Wish I could as I’m a Republican and would love more than anything to vote for the party. Just can’t vote for a morman.

All the above doesn’t mean that I won’t vote for a Mormon. I know them to be good people, who live clean lives, have wonderful family values, serve their fellow man, look after one another. You could not ask for better people and other faiths would do well to emulate them in many ways.

I was a member for 25 years and never heard it either, until it was brought to my attention. I asked the Bishop about it but he too had no clue. It was published in the Church’s own publishing house. One of the past prophets “received revalation” about this. As far as missing a few sunday school lessons, don’t worry, this never was exposed. And by the way, I was a member of the Bishopric of my ward, second counsilor. Like I said…WAS.

Very well said Sharon!

What about James 1:5 “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” Why not ask God yourself and see if this is true or your pastor? I know that God has spoken to me in my mind and my heart.

Natalee, stop please before you hurt yourself. Mormons have not endorsed or practiced polygamy for over 120 years. Any member found to be practicing polygamy gets excommunicated. Your ignorence is PAINFUL to witness!

The single biggest issue is the gospel. Mormons believe you do your best and Jesus(a different one by the way) does the rest. A Christian believes Jesus does it all for us. All our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in His sight. By works of the law no flesh shall be saved. If you can earn one bit of your salvation you have something to boast about. Not only that but if you can earn salvation that would mean God is in debt to you wich is absurd. So here it is look into the mirror of the ten commandments and you’ll see you are filthy. You have broken Gods laws meaning you’re a rebel and a traitor to your creator. Next repent turn from your love of sin and turn to God for grace mercy and peace(Jesus is God). Jesus bore the wrath of God that we all deserve in our stead and His righteousness is imputed to our account. Mormonism is not Christianity according to the word of God. They have secrets particularly the temple rituals. Jesus said ” I have spoken openly to the world and in secret done nothing. If your a Christian you come to the light and don’t hide in secret and everybody is welcome in a church but can anyone go in the temple? Nope. Paul said in Galatians 1 if I or even an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be accursed. You cant change the message of salvation. Nothing is more important and no crime is as serious. I love Glenn and agree with.him politically for the most part but he needs to repent of his Mormonism and stop all this ecuminism and raising the American flag above the cross of Christ.

Rhetorical question: Do Mormons believe that non-Mormons that believe and practice the evangelical Christian faith go to heaven to live and reign with Jesus Christ? They do not. My confession and baptism in a Southern Baptist Church is not recogniged by the LDS as equal. It is recognized by all evangelical organizations as a sign of salvation. Mormons are not Christians, Christians are not Mormons. So why do Mormons want to say they are Christians?
Any voter can use any test they want to determine how to vote. Judging ones religion is a factor anyone can consider. It is a negative factor for Mitt Romney, but it is not as negative as being a Harvard grad. The testimony of his daily life is a positive, but not as positive as his leadership skill demontrated by selecting Paul Ryan. Go Romney/Ryan.

I disagree… We are not talking about the same Jesus. I totally respect your opinion and only God can reveal truth to us…..I know I’m a different person because of accepting Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. He rose again from the grave….he was all man and all God at the same time. He suffered willingly when he could have called down the angels in heaven. Going to the cross to take my punishment for my sin…..he’s the same, yesterday, today and forever…
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The more men than women notion is completely false. The dishonesty surrounding polygamy has always been a problem for the Mormon church and sadly they continue to lie about it now. The fact is that many members still look forward to it in the next life as the principle still remains canonized in Mormon scripture (D&C 132) despite the fact that the Book of Mormon preaches against it. It seems Mormon hierarchy has always been double minded about it.

I appreciate your comments,Pat……thank you

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Being a born-again evangelical, I do have many doctrinal issues with the Mormon religion. But, it does not in any way keep me from backing Mitt Romney for president. Despite serious deviations from Biblical Christianity, Mormons are conservative, family oriented people and are patriotic Americans. I have no worries that this nation won’t be in capable hands under Romney, and I am well assured that his religion will not effect his decisions!

Linda, you are very astute in your understanding of the trinity, why does Christ call himself the son of man, maybe because in earthly form he was raised by Joseph, a man. He also says that when you see him, you see GOD so in that sense he is not only the son of GOD, He is GOD. The holy spirit is the comforter he left in his stead when he departed the earth and it’s inhabitants. We are only to worship the trinity, GOD, the father, Christ, the son and the holy ghost or the spirit form of GOD and Christ that was afforded all Christians to draw closer to the trinity closing the gap between ourselves and heaven’s gates. There are some who doubt in knowing evidence as to when you have gained the Holy spirit. I point you to acts 2:4 for proof of having the Holy spirit in your own being. If in fact you have the gift of tongues, (Angelic language) you then possess the Holy spirit to guide your life. An evangelist Mildred wicks is the only other person with the exception of Christ that I know of that fasted forty days and in so doing received a number of gifts from GOD including a booming speaking voice that would reverberate through a huge auditorium with out a microphone, but in speaking mono mono, soft and lilting. I have a feeling that you already know what I have said so I am backing off. Have a blessed day.

Benjamin Franklin

I believe, FilmDoctor, that Christianity is not a religion at all, but soley a relationship with Jesus and a working out of His plan for us together with Him!
What do you mean that it is not a religion of feelings? Do we not experience many feelings while in our wonderful day to day relationship with Jesus? I can’t imagine that Jesus drew those little children up on His lap without feeling something! I can, in my mind’s eye, see Him lifting a little child over His head and toss them in the air as they both squeal with delight. I can see His strong arms encircling a toddler, holding them a little too tightly to let them know that He is there to protect them. Oh, I believe He felt much, and in our relationship with Him today, we share many feelings too. And, I love it!
In my life with Jesus in my heart, I feel so much! Some days I experience (feel) so much joy I think I might explode! And some days I feel a little afraid of where our world is heading. Some days I cry with sadness for the losses a loved one experiences, and some days I cry with pure joy as they discover another wonderful truth in God’s Word. I think that it is this kind of feeling that Paula experienced when she entered a place of peace for her. Remember that she had been in much sincere prayer for a period of three months for God to lead her to the place HE wanted her to be. That is not a selfish prayer, but one for His will in her life. And don’t you think that when we arrive at that certain, special place God Himself leads us to that we feel like we’ve come ‘home’?? I do. And, if Paula has misunderstood God (though after nine years it would seem unlikely), I believe He can show her and lead her out in His time. If she misunderstood, God’s grace will be sufficient for understanding and for forgiveness. I love the direction of His law, but oh, how I love His grace!!!
FilmDoctor, it seems from your tone, and wording, that you might be having ‘feelings’ about the Mormon Church. Do you have some kind of history with it? Have you been hurt somehow by it? I mean, it’s just that you seem to be angry with its leaders, and indeed, with its people.

Leah, WOW at 70 years old that is just what I needed to hear. Before you start pointing fingers, make sure my dear, that your not the one that is deceived. Throw away the commentaries, forget what the preachers are telling you and get a Greek and Hebrew Analitical concordance, a Bullinger KJ Bible and study the word of God, rightly dividing it for several years, then instead of calling me deceived, we can have an honest debate.

Thank you Glenn for having the courage to stand up for your beliefs. I was born and raised as a so called Christian attending the Methodist and Baptist churches. I also attended church camp as a child. We had fun activities during the day, but the evenings were a bit stressful. We attended the chapel services and were always chastised for being “sinners” and pretty much left the service in tears each night. I love the Lord God with all my heart and am so grateful for the atonement. I am human, I do sin. I am not perfect. Jesus set the bar and I simply try and follow in his footsteps. Since converting to the LDS faith 32 years ago, my testimony of the gospel has grown daily. I am proud to be a so called Mormon. I don’t feel the need to defend my beliefs to others. Just as I don’t ask them to explain their beliefs to me. I think Glenn said it best when he said “if you are happy” then that is all that matters. We do not discuss other religions period. Do we all agree with Mitt just because he is LDS? NO. Has the Chruch suggested or encouraged that we vote for him? NO. We believe we all have our free agency here on earth. We do not need to be lead around by the nose. We are encouraged to vote, but NEVER for any specific party or candidate. We are also encouraged to pray for the leaders of our country. Are we nutty? Well, some of us are!

Regarding not receiving answers to prayers, do you believe that an individual can pray to God about which church to attend and receive a confirmation? From what others of your faith have told me, you do not. You believe that if you pray to God for those things, the devil will answer you. Your tactics of “witnessing” are nothing like Mormon missionaries. They walk door to door offering to teach about what Mormons believe. People like you go around teaching false information about what others believe. When people try to defend what they believe, you ignore presented information and attempt to tear people down. That is persecution. When presented with questions about your own faith, you change the subject and repeat what your preacher told you, going on blind faith. I know this because I have family who claim to be “Christians” like yourself. At a family gathering, they sat around me in a circle and started asking me questions, as if they were really curious. But they are not curious. They follow their pastor and do what he says, trying to find ways to tear a person down. It didn’t work, mind you, and I don’t believe doing that to anyone is ant evidence of real Christianity.

The single biggest issue is the gospel. Mormons believe you do your best and Jesus(a different one by the way) does the rest. A Christian believes Jesus does it all for us. All our righteous deeds are as filthy rags in His sight. By works of the law no flesh shall be saved. If you can earn one bit of your salvation you have something to boast about. Not only that but if you can earn salvation that would mean God is in debt to you wich is absurd. So here it is look into the mirror of the ten commandments and you’ll see you are filthy. You have broken Gods laws meaning you’re a rebel and a traitor to your creator. Next repent turn from your love of sin and turn to God for grace mercy and peace(Jesus is God). Jesus bore the wrath of God that we all deserve in our stead and His righteousness is imputed to our account. Mormonism is not Christianity according to the word of God. They have secrets particularly the temple rituals. Jesus said ” I have spoken openly to the world and in secret done nothing. If your a Christian you come to the light and don’t hide in secret and everybody is welcome in a church but can anyone go in the temple? Nope. Paul said in Galatians 1 if I or even an angel from heaven preach any other gospel let him be accursed. You cant change the message of salvation. Nothing is more important and no crime is as serious. I love Glenn and agree with.him politically for the most part but he needs to repent of his Mormonism and stop all this ecuminism and raising the American flag above the cross of Christ.

FilmDoctor, my comment about feelings does not mean that I base my Christianity on feelings, nor do I let feelings determine my relationship with Him. Feelings are a wonderful by-product, if you will, of Christianity!

Connie, you said a mouth full sweetheart, none good but GOD and we can only confess our sins to God, not man, man who he himself is a sinner cannot absolve any of us of our sins. Only GOD who is “GOOD” can forgive and he does not require any hail Mary’s etc.etc. just your unrequited resolve to try to follow in Christ’s footsteps. He knows you will falter, but He also knows you are trying to attain heaven by believing in HIS son Jesus Christ. I am a sinner that believes and loves my savior and when I fall I know He will pick me up and carry me and someday I will have a Mansion befitting a king. Have a blessed day, Connie.

Benjamin Franklin

Thank you for saying so well what my heart feels!

God Bless Beck and Romney, the more I learn of the values they hold the more respect I have for them. I am a Christian, I believe in God, have been baptized as a baby and as an adult. I have not followed a specific church because everytime we attend and get to like where we go we find many hypocrite’s and just feel better sticking to our values and no longer attending. What I have seen is whether we believe in LDS or not most LDS people are not being one person when at worship and completely different people when they walk out that door to go home. We do have freedom of religion in this country and although I do not agree with some, we can still agree that we Love our God just as another person posted earlier, I wish I took the time to read my Bible more and understand all that it says I think much of it is how we interpet it, but give credit to those that try to do right by God, afterall no matter how we understand him or see him he does see us!
I have to admit a few years back I was not a Romney fan because of his religion and I hate admitting it, however I have learned a great deal about him as a person and now understand him and have only gained respect, as far as his Faith I see it much different and for me (a non mormon) I feel his Faith has played a large part in who he is and why he is the honest caring man I have become to understand.
For Glenn Beck I now see just as with Romney that his Faith has been what made him the caring and honest man that he is.
Just makes me think maybe my Husband and I should check out the one church I never thought we would, LDS.
God Bless both of you and Best of Luck and Prayers to Romney!!!!!

I have read and heard that Mormons have a different Jesus than the biblical Jesus. Your Jesus is not God. You don’t believe in the Trinity?? Do you believe that you can become God. I read a book THE GOD MAKERS and it is disturbing considering that we could have a Mormon president.

Don’t kid yourself. The Trinity is a real fact….even though the “Trinity” is not called that anywhere in the scriptures. You can talk against it all day long, but you cannot change the fact. I could show you many passages that talk about the Trinity. Just for starters, who do you think is in this passage? “Let US make man in OUR image.” Genesis

I am not concerned about bikes or funny underwear…Mormonism is a cult. Any “religion” which varies from the original gospel as much as Mormonism does is a cult.
God was NEVER a man who worked his way into Godhood as the Mormons teach. Nor will we ever become Gods as they teach. There is only ONE God, and we ain’t him….or ever will be. There are too many points to discuss here, but I know all this for a fact.

Mormons believe they came from Kolob to get their bodies and weird things like that. I was once in one of their “churches” and took the hymnal home because I just couldn’t believe the songs. They praise Joseph Smith not Jesus Christ.

You know I have read many of the posts here and only a few have mentioned prayer and the power of the Holy Ghost(or Spirit or the Great Comforter) who will help in your decision of whats right or whats wrong. To those that are willing to open your hearts and listen to that still small voice, get on your knees and pray for guidance, research what you want to learn and pray. He is the only one that can and will, give you truth.

SO well put, thank you, Kimberly!

I
love watching Glenn for political stuff.
But, facts are facts; Christianity and Mormonism are NOT the same. Different God, different Jesus. Mormons believe that God was once a man on a
different planet who became one of millions and millions of gods and was given
this planet to populate with spirit babies that have to take on a human body in
order to become gods themselves. Every
Mormon man believes he can someday become a god. This is a Mormon saying: ‘As man now is God
once was, as God now is man may become.’
This (and Baptism for the dead) are NOT taught in the Bible. The Baptism for the dead that Paul sighted in
the New Testament was being done by pagans, NOT Christians.

you are so right, it was added and nothing in the Bible supports a Trinity nor that verse. Sadly, ministers today just accept traditions from their forefathers without questioning and without the proof we are to seek. As the Bible says, prove all things! Great post Wendi!

I agree with Salee–Jesus is God in the flesh. I believe Joseph Smith was a false prophet and you have to profess that he was a prophet of God in order to be a Mormon.

Satan was one of the many angels God created. He chose to rebel against God because he wanted to be god & a third of the angels sided with Satan (demons). Jesus is not related to Satan. Jesus was and is not an angel. Jesus is God’s son. See this is where the Mormons are really mixed up.

Jesus says these things in the bible… God the Father has no body of flesh and bone. Never has.
John 4:24 (KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luke 24:39 (KJV) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
And in the LDS history many prophets have stated that God (the PHYSICAL MAN) got mary pregnant… not the spirit.. They also believed that Adam was God, and Mary one of his heavenly wives… Know your history.
God told us in the bible we will know a false propet by his false prophacies.
“But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 “And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 “When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him,” (Deut. 18:20-22).
Joseph Smith had many, many, many prophacies that didn’t come true. According to God we should be afraid of him and his teachings.

And I would like to add that Jesus is not evil. He is perfect.

Mormons believe that God the Father and Jesus began to exist at some point, which means there was a time they didn’t exist. One of the essential teachings of Christianity is that they both have always been. They cannot both be true, and it excludes Mormonism from being Christianity.

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right on Kim

here’s a great article explaining it…frankly, it never made sense to me that there was a third Godhead, a Spirit. What did make sense to me was that the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of God the Father and Son as they are One. If the Holy Spirit was separate from the Father and the Son, why did our Lord have to leave that He might send the Helper, the Holy Spirit? The Trinity has always troubled me so I decided to study up on it and see what the truth was and frankly, I wasn’t surprised to find that the Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible except for the verses in I John 5:7-8 that were added much later.

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Sorry Jeremy, how wrong can you be, Christ said that he would leave a comforter in his place when he departed earth. It was not a comforter made of cloth or fleece to throw on your bed, it was the Holy spirit, the third part of the trinity and had nothing to do with politics. through the Holy spirit we may attain or obtain the spiritual gifts GOD wants those who believe to have. These are gifts you cannot buy, but only through Jesus Christ may you have them when you seek and are baptized by fire, acts 2: 4 baptism by fire where tongues of fire were upon them and they received the Holy spirit and spoke in other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance. Today, however after the many centuries of true belief in the trinity, the fiery tongues are no longer of a necessity to prove what we know to be fact. In my sales travels I came across a couple of believers whom I prayed with and in so doing I spoke in my unknown tongue and she was able to not only interpret the message I was given by the spirit but she also informed me it was the language of an ancient Indian tribe. She had the gift of discernment of Angelic languages. There are many versions of the Bible, but in essence they say the same thing but only in different wording. The Bible does not contradict itself as some would have you to believe. Believe wholeheartedly in the trinity my friend and GOD bless you.

Benjamin Franklin
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I I noticed! So what did he say about it?

Theres a lot of confusion in these comments, all of which is unnecessary. I am a young mormon and have yet to even graduate high school. However, I know for a fact that what I believe is true. I have read the old and new testaments, the book of mormon, the doctrine and covenants, and the pearl of great price, each at least once. I have felt the truth of the gospel manifested to me by the holy ghost on many an occasion, both when alone and when in a congregation. I am so far from perfection, but I am trying. Perfection is not an end, but rather an eternal path in which we do nothing but improve.

What I feel needs the most attention are what we call the godhead and the plan of salvation. The godhead is what many of you might call the trinity. It consists of our Heavenly Father, Our eldest brother Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Heavenly Father is the author of many worlds and our spirits. Though his creations are without number, he still devotes so much love and attention to us. If we are his children, as most of you will agree, is it not logical that we can follow his footsteps and become creators ourselves, just as a child eventually becomes an adult? It is Heavenly Fathers greatest work and glory to bring to pass the immortality and Eternal Life of all mankind. Is this not similar to how a good parent seeks to raise their children to become a good, mature adult. Jesus Christ is his eldest son and our brother. He volunteered to be our savior, yet gives all of the glory to Our Father (does he not always speak of his father in the New Testament?). Under the direction of Heavenly Father, he created the Earth and watched over it (which is why he was for all practical purposes, the god of the old testament) until his coming, and now he continues to do so. He was born into this Earth of a virgin, as no man ever has before or ever will. His divine birth gave him the power he needed to perform his great work. He suffered for our sins, and it is only through this atonement that we may become perfect like our Father. Just like the ideal older brother, he looks out for us and lightens our burdens. The Holy Ghost is the only one of the three that does not have a body. He serves as a messenger, comforter, and teacher. He conveys the love, light, and truth of our Savior and of the Father. This is the godhead, one in purpose, but still three distinct beings.

Then there is the plan of salvation, our Fathers plan for us to become like unto him. The first step in this plan was our premortal existence, where God (heavenly father) organized us into distinct intelligences. There we enjoyed a great life, but we could not progress. To do this, we had to do a few things:
1) Obtain a body
2) Gain knowledge
3) Be tested
And so Heavenly Father gave us his plan: we would need to use our agency to choose him and eternal life. This would be a true test of our deepest beings, as we would remember nothing of him or our premortal lives. However through a savior and our own faith, we could make it back stronger. Satan presented another plan. He wanted to “save us all” by taking away our choice and taking the glory for himself. This was no test at all though, and would not allow us to become like our father. Despite this, a third of all of God’s children chose this evil plan. The rest of us, that is everyone who has been to earth or ever will be on earth, chose God’s plan. After a great war, Satan and his followers were cast down to earth without a body. However, the war was far from over and God’s work was only just begun.

Then comes our mortal life. First, we gain a body, a critical component to becoming like our Father. With it, we gain great potential. Another reason for us coming to Earth is to gain knowledge. Knowledge is one of a great few possesions that can never perish. We can bring it with us through eternity and begin to establish a collection that will eventually become of a vastness like unto God’s. Finally, we came here to be tested. After all, how could we become like God if he can’t trust us with such great power. Every temptation and every hardship is a trial. They are meant to refine and prove us. If we choose the right and repent when we fail to do so, we show our love for our Heavenly Father and our willingness to be with him again.

Eventually, we must all experience physical death. This is not the end though. After we die, we either enter paradise or a kind of waiting area. In this “waiting area” those who did not have the chance to here the gospel will get that chance. This why we perform baptisms for the dead, to provide these souls the opportunity, should they choose it, to cross over to paradise and prepare for the final judgement. When the end comes all those who came to Earth, good and evil, will be resurrected and have their bodies perfected. Then comes the final judgement. Were it not for Christ’s atonement, all of us would fail. The slightest sin would instantly disqualify us from joining God in the Celestial Kingdom. This is why we need Christ. Because of his suffering, we can repent of our sins. This is why Mormons ARE Christians. We share the common belief that we NEED Christ to progress. Without his help, all of our good works are meaningless, and whether or not we repent we are in no position to boast.

After this final judgement, all men will be sorted into one of four degrees of light. The lowest is called outer darkness. This is what most of you would call hell. To be condemned to this punishment, you must know the gospel is true and then fight against it. You basically have to try to get there. Above this is the Telestial Kingdom. This is where the “sinners” go. Life there will be similar to Earth life, except better because the devil will be unable to tempt anyone in any degree of glory. The Holy Ghost will be able to visit the inhabitants of the Telestial. Above this is the Terrestrial Kingdom, which will essentially be paradise. People who come here will be good people. They either didn’t accept the gospel and/or didn’t repent of their sins. Christ will visit those who dwell in this kingdom. The greatest of all these degrees of glory is the celestial. This is where the righteous who accept the gospel and repent of their sins will go. Here they will live with their families, Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ, for all eternity. They will become like the Father and be able to progress for all eternity. I don’t see whats so wrong with that. Would heaven really be heaven if we all just sat around in paradise all day? I don’t know about you, but I would go insane without something to do, without a way to grow even stronger and further help others.

This is my testimony. You don’t have to share my religion, and I won’t force you too. I have merely given you the doctrine that lies at the core of Mormon faith. Yes, we do praise some men, but we do not worship anyone besides Our Father and Jesus Christ. All of the real glory goes to them. They gave us everything, and our good works will never be enough to repay them. All of our doctrine and law is meant to focus on following and covenanting with them. Why can’t we have a personal relationship with our God? Why would he bother to create us and then not raise us?

More or less, my religion is one of eternal progress made possible through a loving Father. If you ask me, nothing else makes sense. If the universe had a beginning, then it would have to have an end. What then, would be the point, if we could not go on forever? We always existed in some form, and so did our Father. We were just organized as intelligences by a Father, and it is only logical that ours was too. There was no beginning, and there is no end. Space and time have no end. Without this being true, there would be no hope. Existence would be meaningless, what else could it be?

I know this is a difficult concept to grasp. I certainly don’t understand it all. Again I can’t ask you to share my beliefs, only to respect them. I will almost definitely respect yours.

I tried the mormons for a time, and our particular ward had a lot of seriously troubled people, so I left. But I find them as a rule, to be fine Americans.

Thank you for your kindness and bless your heart. If and whenever the boys in black come to my
door on their bicycles I’ll always try to have some root beer and tenderloin available.

It’s a funny thing, I’m a practicing Catholic, and thanks
but I’m not leaving, but, here in the south I have always told anybody who was
trying to make a home visit “ spreading the word” Thank you but I’m Catholic ! The conversation
always ends there with some kind of spiritual affirmation “ we tried and you
loose”. The LDS folks are the only ones
I have ever ask to have as a guest in my home because they do not offend!

Thank you again for your kind words and I promise you, the
only thing that separates your heaven from mine is nothing more important than
crossing the street! God loving people should never, ever, bring
discontent to one another even when we disagree.

Amen! The important thing in this conversation is not that we judge each other, but that we know that God will judge and we have an obligation to speak the truth in love and pray for those who do not know God’s saving grace through Jesus Christ our Lord. Mormons are wonderful people because they believe they have to earn God’s favor, but Christians should be wonderful people because we are so grateful that we can’t earn God’s favor but He loves us and sent His Son to die for us so that we can spend eternity with Him, That’s why he created us.

I am wondering, from the Mormons posting, about the church’s stance on becoming gods of your own planet and that there were multiple gods before the God of the Bible. I find that doctrine the one that is very troubling and would make Mormonism polytheistic and differing greatly from Christianity. A couple of examples from your writings:
“Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father, until we come to a stop where we cannot go further, because of our limited capacity to understand.” —LDS Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith (who became Mormonism’s 10th Prophet) Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, p. 47
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!… I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man.…I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea.…he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did.…”—Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, pp. 345-346
“Through Obedience to Law We Can Become Like Our Father in Heaven… If God became God by obedience to all of the gospel law with the crowning point being the celestial law of marriage, then that’s the only way I can become a god.”—Achieving A Celestial Marriage, Student Manual, p. 4
This is a question of clairifcation of what your prophets have taught and written and I find troubling theologically. I am not against Mormons, I do not find the church’s teachings compatible with Christianity in many ways.

It’s an excellent book, Bonnie! I’ve read it. Thanks for posting the title!

To have the right Jesus you must believe in the ONLY name given among
men to which we are saved. Jesus claimed to be God in the likeness of
human flesh; so if you do not believe that, then you do not believe in
the, NAME(Name-ALL that He claimed) of Jesus as recorded in the Bible,
but some foreign created being, Jesus of the Mormon church. Good morals
are great, but they do not get anyone into Heaven.

AMEN!

John, the third part of the trinity was evidenced on the day of Pentecost, read acts: second chapter. This was the comforter Christ promised. By the way, whatever became of the gold plates the angel gave to Joe Smith? Did he take them with him to the grave? Have you picked out which planet you want to rule when you become a god? Are you an elder that has to wear long johns in 102 % heat? Are you not allowed to eat or drink certain things even after Christ admonished anything GOD put here for our nourishment we can partake of with out it having to be Kosher. Did you know that when you cook food it takes out all the nourishment, but when you ask GOD’s blessing on it, it restores the nutriment values. Make a divining rod from a soda straw and a bent piece of wire and pass it over your fresh cooked meal, ( it will not move) now asks GOD’s blessing on the food and pass the rod over it, (it will move) try it, you will be amazed. Have a blessed day.

Benjamin Franklin

What surprises me is that with all the questioning he claims to have done, he didn’t find the TRUTH! He was deceived and he ACCEPTED that deception!

You couldn’t be more wrong …

You gave a very thoughtful discourse on your beliefs. However, if you study Christian doctrine from respected Christian scholars and read thoroughly only the Bible and the commentary from non mormon sources and then compare it with Mormon doctrine you will find that Mormonsim and Chsistianity claim different things and it will show that it is not Christianity although it has many Christian themes. That in no way means that people should be ugly to anyone of any group, or to shun someone of a different group or not vote for Romney becuase he is Mormon it just means that if you thoroughly study the differences in beliefs Mormonism and Christianity claim very different beliefs about God, among other topics,and if one is true then by logic the other is not.

ForMotionCreatv found the TRUTH, why would he/she want to go back to counterfeit faith?

How is voting for someone who has a created being as their god and a religion born out of the lust of the flesh (polygamy) and adds to Scripture teachings that are contrary to them a good thing? That’s Obama, Clinton, Bush etc.

Please read Romans 1:18 till the end and you will see we are “one nation under God’s wrath”, the wrath of abandonment. Personally, I am voting for the only man that has a proven record of success and a true Christian by looking at the man’s life and that is Herman Cain. If you believe the news media concerning the 2 years out of many when he worked around that service union, then you are not thinking.

The choice between Romney and Obama is the lessor of two evils.

Hey Glenn…I would like to know about the Mormon Masonic connection. Considering the Illuminati and Freemasonary go hand in hand I believe this question has much relevance. As recent as the 1950′s the Mormons even published a book claiming ties to Free Masons (can’t find the name in a quick search- will take some digging). However, searching the topic pulls up many links such as this one… http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_masons.html
Did you know the largest Masonic temple I have ever seen rests within 1 mile of the Mormon Temple in SLC?
Second, I would like to hear the Mormon belief about the planet Kolab explained.
Is it any coincidence the NSA is building a top secret data collection center just outside of SLC- same city the Mormons are said to have one of the largest collections of genealogy records on the planet?
My biggest issue with the Mormon religion is the end of the bible where it clearly states “Thou shall not take from or add to this book.” I consider the Book of Mormon to be just that.
I have met many Mormons in my life I would consider good people, but I question your religion (same as I question the reason why the Vatican has a Pagan Obelisk in it’s courtyard).

My ancestors were Waldensians. Because their Christian beliefs were considered a cult, they were also persecuted and driven from where ever they tried to settle in 16th century Europe, finally allowed to remain in Northern Italy.
My cousin’s wife is Mormon, and she, like all Mormons I have met are exceptionally decent people.
As a genealogist, I thank the Mormons every day for the wonderful contribution they have made to genealogy.
Their Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii is not to be missed if one can get there.
I think some of the greatest damage done to the Mormon faith was by Arthur Conan Doyle with his Sherlock Holmes story “A Study In Scarlet”, still read in schools today.

I don’t blame you. I studied it in depth for 4 years when I lived in Utah … when I first started learning the real MEAT of it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It’s a lie from the very pit of hell.

Actually, I’m 70 as well and I’ve studied God’s Word for over 50 years. I’m not “pointing fingers,” Joan, I’m speaking TRUTH. If you HONESTLY compare Mormonism to the Bible, it falls short – miserably and drastically!

can always count on Glenn for a real history lesson

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Glenn, I think you are a good man practicing the wrong faith. I was raised a mormon and I can still remember how odd I thought it was being taught that black people were black because of sin. This was real strange to me but there are other things that are just as weird. Baptisms of the dead, it is so far from the biblical truth that it amazes me. My Grandfather was an atheist, and remember my Grandmother going to the temple to pay money for him to get to heaven so they could be together. This baptism of the dead is why mormons are into genealogy to baptize their loved ones that died in the past. If I remember right Mormons do not believe in hell. Not sure about this one, but they do believe in three degrees of heaven and only the temple Mormons get to the top heaven. This is like calling Jesus a liar, He said believe in me and you shall be saved. I have just scratched the surface of the differences and why Mormons are considered a cult. I know the Book of Mormon was supposed to be a God inspired document, Why then have there been so many changes over the years, some just to keep up with the laws they were breaking? God does not change his values but the Book of Mormon does, makes you wonder how anyone can believe it to be true. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, not Joseph Smith and his forged documents. I have never been in the Mormon Temple to practice anything but I do have many relatives and friends that have been there and I believe it to be an abomination to the one true God. Most Mormons are good and wonderful people just mislead by a scammer. I am not sure about their salvation and I am glad I do not make that call. Mormons absolutely do not believe in the trinity, and are appalled by it.

I’d sooner have a Mormon have my back than a “Sunday Christian”. Two of my best friends were Mormons. They were true to me, and never conspired to convert me. I have lost track of them over the years, but, I am sure, we would just act as if we had seen each other yesterday.

@Natalee I am not sure where you have researched your so called “historical facts” but us LDS have NEVER taught nor believed that God came down and got Mary pregnant nor have we ever believed that Mary is or was one of his “heavenly wives.” This is so ridiculous it’s laughable. Poor you!!! LOL!!! And just because this is what your preacher taught or this was in one of your anti-mormon videos shown at your church doesn’t make it true. After all your preacher is just a man. False prophets is also referred to people who teach things that are untrue like “Joseph Smith had many, many, many prophecies (notice I spelled it correctly) that didn’t come true. According to God we should be afraid of him and his teachings.” So according to your own statement you are also a false prophet because I mean, did God tell you that you should be afraid of Jospeh and for you to go and tell everyone? “But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously…” hmmmm

So your Mom was sealed to your Father, and her new husband? I doubt it. You are sealed to your Mom, because you’re her child, however if your Dad hasn’t been baptised, and sealed in the temple you are not and can not be sealed to him. My Dad, myself and my siblings where sealed to my step mom.. I was always told that they believed that God would sort things out with my Mom in the after life.. (my dad is in the process of being sealed to her as well) however that isn’t docerine.. its just something they tell you to make you feel better… If your Dad has passed, they can baptize him for the dead, and seal him to another single woman or group of women so that he can choose to accept it or not in heaven… then perhaps you would also be sealed to him because you are his child… either way… I have faith that the Lord alone has a plan for us… the bible says there is no marriage in heaven.. He must have better things planned for us. then marriage and making babies for our own worlds.

Kudos Natalee, if you do not believe, you do not receive and if you receive and believe the Holy Trinity and endeavor to follow the teachings of same, you will attain your reward in Heaven. Alice may not be aware of the false religions being taught by false interpreters of GOD’S word. Hence, cults that both take from and add to His word as he admonishes us not to do. examples, watchtower, book of Mormon, Koran and several others that defy what GOD has exemplified in his word for us to follow. He explicitly admonishes us not to take from nor add to His word. Rev. 22: 18-19 Have a blessed day

Benjamin Franklin

I was raised Mormon and am now a Presbyterian for many many years. I tell people all the time that the Mormon’s are NOT a perverse cult as many people believe. The hatred is largely based on misunderstanding, anger and fear. They raise excellent families and have much more in common with other Christian faiths then most realize.

Yeah … like the one where it claims He would be born in Jerusalem … uh huh …

Glen does not believe in the same Jesus Christ you do Larry, they believe that God and Jesus were separate physical people who dwelled on the earth.
Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus’ brother, back on the original earth, where God and Jesus dwelled.
They’ll tell you how much more they like Jesus than Satan, how they deny they
are equal or both members of the godhead — Jesus is, Satan is not.
Yet, bottom line they still say that Jesus and Satan are offspring of the
same Father.
This goes back to the theology that we were all spirit children together with God in the ‘pre-existence. They do have a ‘Holy Ghost’ that is very similar to our understanding of the Holy Spirit, They don’t believe in a hell, per se … everyone, unless you’re really bad, goes to the first heaven, whether they are Mormon or not. They do believe in an ‘outer darkness,’ but that’s muddy … they aren’t really clear on the kind of people who would go there.

Theres a lot of confusion in
these comments, all of which is unnecessary. I am a young mormon and
have yet to even graduate high school. However, I know for a fact that
what I believe is true. I have read the old and new testaments, the
book of mormon, the doctrine and covenants, and the pearl of great
price, each at least once. I have felt the truth of the gospel
manifested to me by the holy ghost on many an occasion, both when alone
and when in a congregation. I am so far from perfection, but I am
trying. Perfection is not an end, but rather an eternal path in which
we do nothing but improve.

What I feel needs the most attention are what we call the godhead and
the plan of salvation. The godhead is what many of you might call the
trinity. It consists of our Heavenly Father, Our eldest brother Jesus
Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Heavenly Father is the author of many
worlds and our spirits. Though his creations are without number, he
still devotes so much love and attention to us. If we are his children,
as most of you will agree, is it not logical that we can follow his
footsteps and become creators ourselves, just as a child eventually
becomes an adult? It is Heavenly Fathers greatest work and glory to
bring to pass the immortality and Eternal Life of all mankind. Is this
not similar to how a good parent seeks to raise their children to become
a good, mature adult. Jesus Christ is his eldest son and our brother.
He volunteered to be our savior, yet gives all of the glory to Our
Father (does he not always speak of his father in the New Testament?).
Under the direction of Heavenly Father, he created the Earth and watched
over it (which is why he was for all practical purposes, the god of the
old testament) until his coming, and now he continues to do so. He was
born into this Earth of a virgin, as no man ever has before or ever
will. His divine birth gave him the power he needed to perform his
great work. He suffered for our sins, and it is only through this
atonement that we may become perfect like our Father. Just like the
ideal older brother, he looks out for us and lightens our burdens. The
Holy Ghost is the only one of the three that does not have a body. He
serves as a messenger, comforter, and teacher. He conveys the love,
light, and truth of our Savior and of the Father. This is the godhead,
one in purpose, but still three distinct beings.

Then there is the plan of salvation, our Fathers plan for us to
become like unto him. The first step in this plan was our premortal
existence, where God (heavenly father) organized us into distinct
intelligences. There we enjoyed a great life, but we could not
progress. To do this, we had to do a few things:
1) Obtain a body
2) Gain knowledge
3) Be tested
And
so Heavenly Father gave us his plan: we would need to use our agency to
choose him and eternal life. This would be a true test of our deepest
beings, as we would remember nothing of him or our premortal lives.
However through a savior and our own faith, we could make it back
stronger. Satan presented another plan. He wanted to “save us all” by
taking away our choice and taking the glory for himself. This was no
test at all though, and would not allow us to become like our father.
Despite this, a third of all of God’s children chose this evil plan.
The rest of us, that is everyone who has been to earth or ever will be
on earth, chose God’s plan. After a great war, Satan and his followers
were cast down to earth without a body. However, the war was far from
over and God’s work was only just begun.

Then comes our mortal life. First, we gain a body, a critical
component to becoming like our Father. With it, we gain great
potential. Another reason for us coming to Earth is to gain knowledge.
Knowledge is one of a great few possesions that can never perish. We
can bring it with us through eternity and begin to establish a
collection that will eventually become of a vastness like unto God’s.
Finally, we came here to be tested. After all, how could we become like
God if he can’t trust us with such great power. Every temptation and
every hardship is a trial. They are meant to refine and prove us. If
we choose the right and repent when we fail to do so, we show our love
for our Heavenly Father and our willingness to be with him again.

Eventually, we must all experience physical death. This is not the
end though. After we die, we either enter paradise or a kind of waiting
area. In this “waiting area” those who did not have the chance to here
the gospel will get that chance. This why we perform baptisms for the
dead, to provide these souls the opportunity, should they choose it, to
cross over to paradise and prepare for the final judgement. When the
end comes all those who came to Earth, good and evil, will be
resurrected and have their bodies perfected. Then comes the final
judgement. Were it not for Christ’s atonement, all of us would fail.
The slightest sin would instantly disqualify us from joining God in the
Celestial Kingdom. This is why we need Christ. Because of his
suffering, we can repent of our sins. This is why Mormons ARE
Christians. We share the common belief that we NEED Christ to progress.
Without his help, all of our good works are meaningless, and whether
or not we repent we are in no position to boast.

After this final judgement, all men will be sorted into one of four
degrees of light. The lowest is called outer darkness. This is what
most of you would call hell. To be condemned to this punishment, you
must know the gospel is true and then fight against it. You basically
have to try to get there. Above this is the Telestial Kingdom. This is
where the “sinners” go. Life there will be similar to Earth life,
except better because the devil will be unable to tempt anyone in any
degree of glory. The Holy Ghost will be able to visit the inhabitants
of the Telestial. Above this is the Terrestrial Kingdom, which will
essentially be paradise. People who come here will be good people.
They either didn’t accept the gospel and/or didn’t repent of their sins.
Christ will visit those who dwell in this kingdom. The greatest of
all these degrees of glory is the celestial. This is where the
righteous who accept the gospel and repent of their sins will go. Here
they will live with their families, Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ,
for all eternity. They will become like the Father and be able to
progress for all eternity. I don’t see whats so wrong with that. Would
heaven really be heaven if we all just sat around in paradise all day?
I don’t know about you, but I would go insane without something to do,
without a way to grow even stronger and further help others.

This is my testimony. You don’t have to share my religion, and I
won’t force you too. I have merely given you the doctrine that lies at
the core of Mormon faith. Yes, we do praise some men, but we do not
worship anyone besides Our Father and Jesus Christ. All of the real
glory goes to them. They gave us everything, and our good works will
never be enough to repay them. All of our doctrine and law is meant to
focus on following and covenanting with them. Why can’t we have a
personal relationship with our God? Why would he bother to create us and
then not raise us?

More or less, my religion is one of eternal progress made possible
through a loving Father. If you ask me, nothing else makes sense. If
the universe had a beginning, then it would have to have an end. What
then, would be the point, if we could not go on forever? We always
existed in some form, and so did our Father. We were just organized as
intelligences by a Father, and it is only logical that ours was too.
There was no beginning, and there is no end. Space and time have no
end. Without this being true, there would be no hope. Existence would
be meaningless, what else could it be?

I know this is a difficult concept to grasp. I certainly don’t
understand it all. Again I can’t ask you to share my beliefs, only to
respect them. I will almost definitely respect yours.

Where in the Bible does it say that you will become a god of your own universe or planet??
I read a sermon by Brigham young from the official LDS website where he says that “Christian”(non Mormons) naivly believe that Jesus was born of a Virgin and that instead their idea of a god actually had physical relations with her to produce Jesus. This so planet defies the Bible.

The Hebrew word “Elohim” is a plural one, meaning several in one. But still ONE.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from people who are not religious at all or not Mormons telling everyone here what Mormon’s believe. The reason for this show was to clear up the confusion from someone who is ACTUALLY a member. It would help if those of you who ARE NOT members to stop shouting out things that you know nothing about. Stop telling members what THEY BELIEVE and DON’T BELIEVE. I’m pretty sure that members know what is going on and what they believe and don’t believe.

I know that Jesus Christ loves me and I know that through his atonement I can be redeemed and only through him can i return to my Father in Heaven. I know that I am not perfect and I know that I strive everyday to become like Christ, to follow his example. I know that I fall short, but all of us fall short of his glory. That is why he died for all of us. I know that I can repent and and I will be forgiven. I love my Father in Heaven and I love my lord and savior with all my heart. I know that faith without works is dead. I do works because of my faith. I show my Savior and Heavenly Father my faith and love for them by doing their work. By helping others and loving others. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord with all your heart, soul and mind. The second is likened until it, to love your neighbor as you love them. You show someone that love by serving them, just as Christ served us. He died for us, that is the ultimate sacrifice, that is the ultimate love. We need to serve and love like he did and does. I am Christian and I am a Mormon. They are one in the same.

(2 Nephi 25:26: And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy
of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know
to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.)

“Is it better to party into your thirties?” is kind-of a misleading question. Is it better to rush into marriage before you are ready? Even the Amish believe in allowing their kids some time to “sow their wild oats”. Mormons have a comparably high teen pregnancy rate, and a comparably low college graduation rate. It’s better to marry in your thirties because married couples that age are significantly less likely to divorce, and older people make better parents. Few mothers who kill their children are in their thirties, and few decisions in life require as much maturity as family planning. Do you really understand who you are and what you want out of life in your 20s? Who can even afford kids at that age? Is it better to marry the person your parents pressure you to marry, or who you naturally fall in love with? Is it better to marry before or after you have fully paid for college? And naturally this all begs the question – how are Mormon kids treated if they want to wait until they are in their 30s to marry? I remember a Dateline episode about a woman who was murdered by her husband, and the interviewer was surprised to discover that the woman had married this monster at age 18. The deceased’s sister didn’t even bat an eyelash when she explained “that’s common in the Mormon religion.” The interviewer didn’t ask what I would have asked – “is murder by your spouse also common in the Mormon religion?”

Is it not possible to be ‘one’ with another being? Are you and your spouse not ‘one in heart’ with each other? One in purpose?
This is, I believe, the true meaning of “He and I are one”; one in purpose.
If you want a counter verse, Acts 7:55-56:
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
So unless God was standing literally on his own right hand, there are pretty clearly two separate entities (and a third, since Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost).

I have no idea where you get any of this doctrine from, but you obviously have been listening to one too many misled preachers.
There is no Mormon doctrine that even remotely suggests that Mormons believe that Jesus is in heaven having babies right now.

No, the Mormon Jesus is NOT the same Jesus – the Mormon Jesus is a created being and the spirit brother of Lucifer!

God would’ve never given us commandments to follow, if he didn’t want us to follow them. Their are two types of death, spiritual death and physical death. By Christ dying on the cross and raising from the dead , after 3 days. We will all be ressurected, no matter what we do. So Christ saved us from Physical death. in order to be saved from spiritual death, you need to keep God’s commandments and repent for your sins. With Christ dying on the cross, it gives us a chance to repent for our sins because he paid the price for them on the cross. When you get baptized, it washes all of your sins away and your a new person, so it does save you too.

We do follow Christ. We believe in His teachings and strive to follow His example. So what makes you more of a Christian than us and what gives you the right to say that we are not Christians? We believe that God the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one in purpose but not in body. There are so many contradictions in Bible to the fact that you say they are all one person. For example when Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist…Jesus said He was Baptized because it was the will of the Father….why didn’t he just say “My will”? When Jesus was on the cross why did Jesus cry out to the Father if He was the Father…it makes no sense. If that’s what you believe though, that’s fine with me, but I’m not going to say that you aren’t Christian because you don’t believe in the same things that I do. We consider Jesus Christ to be the cornerstone of our foundation and we believe that we can enter into the Kingdom only through the Son Jesus Christ. So how does that not make me a Christian in YOUR opinion?

Explain to me then how James chapter 2, verses 14-17, completely contradict your statement? Faith without works is dead. You need the works to prove your faith; blindly following while making no effort to show your true faith completely worthless.

As much as I support Mitt Romney for president, it must be understood for the sake of clarity and truthfulness that Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian faith! They have four books that they call the Word of God: the Bible, the book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. I’m sorry, but the Bible is the ONLY Word of God, as declared in the Scriptures themselves. Plus, while they say they believe in the virgin birth of Christ, what they don’t say is that they believe that God the Father came down to Earth and had physical intercourse with Mary. This is what they call the “miraculous birth” of Jesus!
Then too, they believe that Jesus (in essence) was a spirit-brother of Lucifer. Jesus was chosen to be the Saviour over Lucifer, making Lucifer angry and hence carried out his rebellion and became Satan.
The Mormon doctrine of salvation is based upon good works, which is contrary to the Biblical doctrine of salvation by grace only (Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5)! These and many other direct contradictions regarding the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith is what is behind the prevalent view that Mormonism is a Christian-like religion but definitely not true Christian! Good people, but deceived people.

Hmm, well being that the word “trinity” is not found in the Bible but the Bible does infact teach rather indeapth concering the 3 as 1. I was rased as a JW unfortionatly but when you look at the account of the creation God the Father has the Holy spirit hovering above the waters. Jesus before he was in human form was called the Angel of he Lord being the very same Angel of the Lord ready to kill Bahlem. We also see when Jesus is questioned by the religious about his being God or the son of God and he tlls them that he is the “I Am” To many religious groups try to argue about Jesus saying that God the Father is greater etc,etc… but what people seem t forget is that Jesus was teaching men from a mans point of view, not as God himself. When Jesus said on th cross, My God my God why have you forsaken me? Was this a controdiction? No, not at all. God the father is God and Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is as well. all 3 are one equal part of the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob. Just read Rev 1:17 where it says : And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon
me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last……So who is this talking to John? Is it not God? God uses the titel “First and the Last” which all students of the Bible in history can agree that First and Last, Alpha and Omega etc.. are God the Father…….Now, lets move to Rev 1:18, the very next verse where God the father is still talking to John :I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen;
and have the keys of hell and of death…… OK, Well, if verse 17 was God the Father/God, then how was he dead and alive forever more? How did God get the keys of hell and death if the 3 are not one? Remember, when Jesus told his follows that one greater than I will come that he was talking about the Holy Spirt from the day of Penticost. Even though the Holy Spirt is not to be worshiped but is here to testify and make real the account of Christ and draw us to the Lord. The Holy Spirit as we know by the Word of God is the “spirit” of God. All 3 function as 1 Godhead and one cannot go on without the other. All 3 are eternal and none of them were created. Christ was not created, by Christ stating that he is the “I Am” that ends any and all arguments concerning that issue. Anyhow, thats just my opinion concerning the issue in a nutshell. I could quote scripture all day long to back upp what my views are but what I think is most important is that you will know in your heart what is right based on your relationship with Christ. Our Lord has a wonderful way of confirming things in our hearts and the time He spends with us when we spend time lifting him up builds a rlationship that unfortionatly to few chirstians ever experiance………. Try getting on your face and worship the Lord on your own. Keep singin praises to him and stay in prayer until you feel his spirit fall upon you. These are the greatest times you will ever have with the Lord and I can promise you one thing, if yu push through that extra hour, if you ait on the Lord instead of give up after 10 minutes of personal prayer your going to understand what others mean when they say that they cannot stand to be away from the presence of th Lord.

I can relate SS I was saved out of catholicism after many wasted years not knowing of the simple salvation of the true gospel as in Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
May God bless you all.

Sadly, a DIFFERENT Jesus “in common” …

How
convenient for the all knowing scholars among us.

After
reading these post with interest I found great divides among the interpretations
of the Bible.

But
each and every one of you claim to have the only true interpretation.

So
this presents a troubling conundrum…..how can ALL of you be right?

The
one who scream the loudest? The one that manipulates the text the most to suit
your use? Or the parrots that robotically repeat what you’ve been programed to
repeat to all other options?

The foundation of these revelations is indeed hard
to see from your High Horses.

You will NOT be judged by the one that claims
to be the most correct here, you, like all of us will be judged by God, who
will judge you about how you lived your life, not whether you went to this
church or that church or no church or how many bible verses you could recite.

As Glenn would say; The truth has no agenda.

Do YOU have an agenda?

How
convenient for the all knowing scholars among us.

After
reading these post with interest I found great divides among the interpretations
of the Bible.

But
each and every one of you claim to have the only true interpretation.

So
this presents a troubling conundrum…..how can ALL of you be right?

The
one who scream the loudest? The one that manipulates the text the most to suit
your use? Or the parrots that robotically repeat what you’ve been programed to
repeat to all other options?

The foundation of these revelations is indeed hard
to see from your High Horses.

You will NOT be judged by the one that claims
to be the most correct here, you, like all of us will be judged by God, who
will judge you about how you lived your life, not whether you went to this
church or that church or no church or how many bible verses you could recite.

As Glenn would say; The truth has no agenda.

Do YOU have an agenda?

When I was twelve years old in 1961 I asked: ” What were Mormons?” I was told that they were terrible people who kidnapped children and ate them. I couldn’t understand this because we always listened to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. That same year I asked about the John Birch Society and was told to never bring it up again because they were communists. I have recently found out that neither explanation I was given was true. Why do parents lie to their children?

I’m voting for the man that has the same moral beliefs that I do – like we all should do. Not looking for a pastor for my church. Sheesh!

Salee, I totally understand what you are saying and agree. You are not judging. And, honestly, you are not really arguing.., you are stating a knowledgeable difference in Mormon belief and Christian belief. And as we both agree, if a person comes to the awareness that he sins (there is none good, no not one–for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God), then the wages of sin is death, the next step for any honest soul seeking truth, is to find a way of salvation. From Genesis to Revelation, Jesus is the cornerstone, and the clear path to eternal life is knowing Abraham told Isaac, “My son, God will prepare HIMSELF a sacrifice,” when he replied to his son’s question, “My father, here is the wood and the fire, but where is the sacrifice?” not knowing it was Isaac, himself, to be sacrificed. The scripture was fulfilled when Jesus (as God had prepared Himself), was sacrificed for my sins, for your sins and the sins of the world. Our responsibility is just to believe Him. Once that acceptance of His sacrifice, once we trust His word, we are forever His, and nothing shall separate us from His love or for spending eternity with Him. We do not believe anything added to God’s word, or taken from God’s word, and especially do we not accept the writing or ‘revelation’ of an 1830 human being over the word of Moses, the prophets and of Christ, Himself, when He said, come unto me all you that are tired and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Again, we are not arguing. I am 81 and have lived life in many different environments and situations. Having married at 16, having 4 children, at different times with little finances and other times, more than enough. Then losing first, my #3 child, then my beloved husband, then my oldest child in a matter of about 5 + short years. Without the comfort and strength and presence of my Savior, I could not have retained even a slight portion of sanity. What I am trying to say is that people of faith and good will refuse to argue or criticize or scorn someone who has a different belief.., as you have done your best to maintain that kindness.., giving them the right to believe their philosophy yet hanging steady with your strong faith in Jesus Christ. Most Mormons that I have met will not get angry.., they will not disdain or discredit and condemn you for having your own belief, but there will be a few acting as if you are unlearned, acting as if you ‘are stuck with the Bible’ or that you are narrow minded for using only God’s word for your resource. Well, we are in good company as long as the Bible is our point of reference. The best thing a Christian can do is give testimony of our salvation and faith in God and His son, Jesus. May He continue to bless you for your faithfulness to Him.

It doesn’t matter whether you “buy” it or not, tony. I spoke the truth of what happened. Your belief or disbelief doesn’t change it. Be well.

Glenn I lived in Utah for 2 years..My old boss and friend at length educated me on the prophet Morani?? and the tablets found by Joseph Smith. Also about how in communion lds take water because on the way there they ran out of fruit of the vine. And also the miracles of the gulls feeding the sojourners on there way. And also why the church split into lds and rlds..Very interesting and I totally respect the beliefs. As a baptized church of christ member there are a few common beliefs each have…In closing I was working at a ladies house . she was from SE Kansas town near where i grew up. She had converted to the LDS faith from the church of christ..I really enjoyed our time in Utah. And I have a better understanding of Mormonism

Thank you!

I have a personal relationship with the Lord.. I have read the BOM cover to cover more then once. I have prayed, I have attended LDS churchs… God found me threw Christianity… I just have a different path suppose.

I was raised a Mormon, I don’t call them a cult because I hate them. The fact is their Jesus is not the same as the Christian Jesus, that is why they are considered a cult. They take away who Jesus really is. To them he was just a man and nothing more. The Mormons say all men can become Gods, and someday rule their own planet. I know what they believe and it sounds good but it is a distortion of the truth. There is not enough time to tell all. When I was a young adult I was taught blacks were that color because of sin. I know this is not the truth, do you? Read the Bible and compare it to any of the Mormon literature. Someone is wrong, if you are a woman, hope that you don’t make your husband mad he may not call you from the grave. If you are a woman that is the only way you have to get to heaven. Don’t believe me read the about it in their literature, their literature is not scripture.

Jesus said no one gets to the Father accept through Him. If you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and rose again, confessed your sins and have been forgiven then I believe you are a born again Christian…..unfortunately, what we believe about who Jesus is, God in the flesh, differs than what the Mormon church teaches. Why do you need the Book of Mormon. Why isn’t the Holy Bible, God’s Word enough? I really want to know. Don’t be angry with me….
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I am not Bigoted, I do believe that people can find Christ threw the LDS faith 100% belive that LDS can be saved… its the docterines that are the issue, its the history.. its all the unneccacery works.. remember the truth shall set you free… not leave you in bodage or debt to a church.

Believe me friend, I have read more then you can imagine… I have practiced.. I learned that God doesn’t want me to trust my “feelings” but also to use the brain he gave me…

I appreciate your kind words. God, the Father is our judge and He is a just judge…
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Okay if Jesus isn’t a “created being” then what is he? Where did he come from if he wasn’t created? Mormons believe that we all existed in the premortal life (before we were born) in heaven together before there was a war in Heaven. That is when Lucifer volunteered to come to Earth and be the Savior of the world and he said that his own will, not the Father’s will would be done. We also believe that the premortal Jesus (Jehovah) also volunteered to come and be the Saviour and said that not his will be done but the Father’s. So we do believe that we are ALL brothers and sisters in spirit because we are ALL created by God the Father. That includes Lucifer. Because if God didn’t create Lucifer then who did? I mean, everything on this planet and everything that exists was created by God, right? So, you see it is the same Jesus unless you believe in more than one Jesus, then I cannot help you there on that one.

Yes, Thank you Terri!!!

Folks. You can take the Laterian Councel’s doctrine of the Trinity, or you can believe Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ himself said in the New Testament that he is God’s “Son” (not God the father). The Bible also frequently notes that Jesus prayed to his Father (not himself). He also taught as a youth in the Temple and he personally taught his disciples that he was doing his Father’s will, and that his Father sent him. Was he praying to HIMSELF… or his Father?
Christ frequently refers to himself as the SON of God. Why is that so blasphemous when a Mormon says it?
I know they are one. But they are not litteraly one being.
In Acts, when Saint Stephen was being stoned for his faith in Christ… “Stephen being full of the spirit looked into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God”. So why is it blasphemy when Joseph Smith says the same thing? And why would God play these tricks on his children to always appear with his Son by his side… if they are litterally the same being?
What if Mormon’s are right?
Trinity is a Greek concept. Not taught by Jesus Christ himself or his desciples in the Bible. It’s a post-bible invention based on the Greek’s understanding of the natur of God.
Even those who invented the Trinity taught individual nature together with unity of the GodHead. Look up Trinity in Wikipedia and go to the Etymology sectiion. The diagram shows with bi-directional arrows in a triangle that, “The Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. But… The Father is God, The Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God”. I know it’s hard to grasp, but I think what they’re trying to say is what Mormons believe. That The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are 3 seperate beings, but they are all “God”.
We will not know for sure till we stand at Jesus’ feet. But regardless… he is our savior. That’s the important thing.

Mike, I do not claim to know the mysteries of God nor does He expect me to…He has asked us to trust Him. That is what I do and I trust His Word….I’m far from being a bible scholar but to quote the blind man in the Bible “I once was blind but now I see”. Amazing Grace……
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then tell why are mormons considered a cult? These are baby questions. I have known mormons and most are fine people. Answer a few question do the mormons belive that Christ had a brother? Why do mormons babtise the dead? Where do mormons go in the afterlife do mormons go the heaven to be with God?

No, you are wrong! We will NOT be judged by how lived our lives, because “all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags to the Lord” (Isaiah 64:6)…..we are all sinners on the same level in need of a Savior Jesus Christ, God Almighty in the flesh. You cannot be good enough for God regardless of how “good” you are because you are still a sinner! This is such an important thing to understand because Heaven will not be populated with good people, it will be populated with people who acknowledged their need for a Savior and accepted Jesus Christ as the only sacrifice for their sin despite their failures in this life! The religious pharisees of Christ’s day were essentially good people who kept the commandments, gave to the poor, and did good works. But, they were still sinners and were sharply admonished by Jesus for their hypocrisy. The only credentials that God will accept are the credentials of Jesus Christ as a substitutionary sacrifice for lost sinners, which is ALL of us!

Did Glenn just call God “homie”?

ugh… did you read anything I wrote? I know LDS don’t practice polygamy on the street… they still seal mulitple wives to one man in the temple.. for eternal marraige.. as in polygamy in heaven.. is that not true? Please by all mean by all means, deny it.. please don’t call me iggnorant.. My eyes are wide open. I know the church history obviously better then you do.

I don’t believe in “one true church” I believe in Faith in Christ, and Gods grace… enters our lives when he chooses and he set me free with truth. I am not trying to tear anyone down, just stick to the facts.. I fallow the Lord, not a preacher,, paster, or bishop.. I fallow the High Priest ..Jesus Christ.

Poor, poor Deb, Jesus was GOD come to earth in human form to die for mans sins if we believe in Father, Son and Holy Ghost, the blessed trinity is one, they are not separate entities. Like I said, Jesus was God in human form and the Holy Ghost is Christ in spiritual form as he stated when he departed he would leave a comforter in his place, that being He in spirit and He, Christ being also GOD in human form. That combines all three into one. Jason had the golden fleece, a nice comforter to stave off the cold, but that is not the kind of comforter Jesus said he would leave with us. He was speaking of Himself in spiritual form to guide us and provide us with the gifts sent down from GOD our Heavenly Father. Seek out GOD in His word and not the BOM written by man with lies from within man such as the gold plates or Mormons becoming gods with their own planet to rule and a myriad of other fables that defy the true GOD and His teachings, one being that neither add to nor take from His word, ie. BOM. Jesus taught in parables to the multitude with them knowing them to be just that stories, but the BOM teaches parables as fact. Do yourself a favor, visit a church that teaches from GOD’s word and take note that there is no similarity to the BOM if you want to truly be a child of GOD. I am a member of the same church since 1947 that has evolved from a shade tree to one that supports more missionaries than any other church and has planted more churches world wide than any other church and even though Obama’s Uncle and cousin burned all of our churches in Kenya with the people, both believers as well as none believers who sought refuge in them. Today, three years later, they are being rebuilt bigger and with even more converts to Christianity than before. There must be a reason why the Assembly of GOD church is the fastest growing church worldwide and converting more non-believers to Christ than any other denomination. Maybe if you seek out an Assembly of GOD church in your city you just might join the throng. There was one Islamic town of less than a thousand population that murdered seven Christians five years ago that today has a lone Assembly of GOD church that is filled with believers. In another Islamic town a total of the congregation of a mosque including the Imam have converted to Christianity and the mosque is now a church. O.K. nuff said, GOD bless you and yours.

Benjamin Franklin

I find it funny that most of the comments on here are from people saying that LDS aren’t Christians because we don’t believe in the Trinity. We do believe in God, The Father, His Son, Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost. We believe that they are one in purpose but not in body. I also know for a fact that not all Baptists believe in the trinity, so not all churches of the same exact religion, (Church of Christ and Methodists included) believe the same things because each preacher interprets the scriptures so differently. SO those of you saying that Mormons are not Christian because we don’t believe in the Trinity, then I guess every religion has non-christian followers, non-christian preachers, and many many non-christian churches all around the world as well. And that makes about as much sense as as many of the comments on here.

Occult Origins of Mormonism

small clip from
‘Jesus Christ & Joseph Smith – Christianity and Mormonism Compared’ – film
includes Dave Hunt & many others, including the guy from God of
Wonders

My intent is not to insult anyone, this just happens to be the title of this you tube video. I pray you will watch with an open mind.

Right on Salee thank you for doing your homework.

Glen, It isn’t that we Christians don’t like Mormons and therefore we don’t consider them Christians. We don’t consider the Mormon religion a Christian religion because Mormons do not believe Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be God.

And to think that we too can become gods of our own worlds is even more anti-christian in it’s teaching. Remember why Adam and Eve were thrown out of paradise? Remember the only reason why Christ had to die and redeem us? It is because of the sin of Pride. The devil himself tempted Adam and Eve to want to be “like God.” So isn’t that anti-Christian in it’s teaching?

We Christians are commanded not to worship any other god so why would it be permissible to become a god ourselves?

Christians who know Mormons know they are very Christ-like in their behaviors and practices but they are not Christian in their teachings.

Well stated. Amen!

Let me refer you to Rev. 22: 18-19 then tell me that the BOM is from GOD. Where are the gold plates, have you picked out the planet you want to rule yet? Do you wear long Johns in 102 % weather or are you not an elder?

Benjamin Franklin

Look, Im bailing out on this.. I do believe that LDS can have personal individual relationships with JC. Im not bigitod or iggnorant. I practiced for over 25 years. Im informed. I have read, studied and been found and saved. I love my LDS family.. Just wish they could find freedom from the guilt, the works, the judgments, and be free threw the LOVE, because God is Love. I should have known getting into this, would result hateful name calling… God bless. Romney 2012.

This is why Glenn and Pat struggled to do this show.

I just breezed through the comments. There is alot anger and closed minds and name calling going on.
If I was a non christian reading this I won’t want to become a Christian, the is not a whole lot love going on here. Can we all just quiet down and listen to the spirit. We all believe that Jesus Christ is are Savior. That is common ground. Now lets try and live His # 1 Rule, Love one another as I have loved you.”

Think of it this way…..there are three parts to any individual. Modern psychology would say, Id, Ego, and Superego, while Christians would say body, soul and spirit. We have three parts but one individual that everyone sees. God also. The only problem is that with our finite minds it is hard to comprehend an infinite God period….without having to understand how God could be three distinct persons, yet one God. Even for Bible scholars this is something that can only be accepted by faith, though not comprehended by the human mind.
Also, it is very important that we accept that Jesus Christ IS God because there could only be a perfect sacrifice, and only God is perfect! None in all of God’s creation could be that sacrifice, only the Creator Himself!

But do you believe that Jesus is God? That is crucial to being a Christian. Please don’t use the term Christian and then redefine the meaning. It is dishonest.

1 John 4:7:
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Matthew 22:36-40:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Sorry to disappoint you Sir, you are all out of joint with falsehoods. I used to get really upset when crap like this was being spread by so called Mormon know it alls. I know I will not change your deep and true understanding of our hidden beliefs so hidden I have never heard of them in my 32 years of having joined the LDS (former Methodist). I have attended LDS Church Services in Utah, Montana, Louisiana, Neb., Wash, Wash DC, and my home state of TX; not to mention Mexico, Hungary and India and you will be proud to know all of these Mormons never spelt the beans on any of the things you know about us. But I must say you came up with a new one that we believe that Adam was God. I am sure if someone were to waste their time jotting down all these weird Mormon beliefs all my dear Christian friends project onto us we would have a book that would stand twelve feet high with no foot notes at all. Please go to Mormon.org or better yet infiltate us one Sunday and see for yourself. Oh one more thing Joseph Smith an uneducated farm boy he was. A false prophet he is not and i dare say there has not been a man in our time who’s personal writings have been more examined as his by many in and out of the Church. Any way I wish you well and I wish no one will listen to your bad information.

In the end maybe not if you were honest and a good person to your conscience. But if you deceived yourself by ignoring the truth and in return convinced others of the lie maybe you will be held to a tougher judgement no matter how “nice” you thought you were.

That said how could anyone in their right mind not vote for Romney.

You’re nuts, you are misinterpreting which is a dangerous thing to do, you are adding to GOD’s word that he forbids, Rev. 22: 18-19 It says the husband is head of his wife as Christ is head of the church, nothing about his name being added to the church. However my church carries the name of our Heavenly Father GOD.

Benjamin Franklin

Glen if you continue searching for the TRUTH you will find it in the Catholic Church. Just look beyond us sinners and turn to Her teachings. One day you will be glad you did.

All this bickering and back biteing is soooo sad. Especially from so many self professed “Christians”.

And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Nothing was made that was not made by Him.

Tthat is a misconception frequently quoted by Mormons in my aquaintance. Is tht somehting that is taught to say to others? It’s something I’ve heard several times by Mormons that is why I ask. Just as the concept of the Tirinity is difficult to explain so is the doctrine that you will be gods of your own planets (Mormon doctrine). Just food for thought as having a full theological discussion is not feesible in this kind of forum. I have Mormon friends in fact one family friend is to be the head of the Temple in a large city in CA (uncomforatble to give out which one for his anonymity) I love their family. We jsut disagree theologically.

Salee I am not mad at all…it’s just frustrating, you know, to be judged by so many misinformed people. I usually tend to stay away from stuff like this because it is very stressful to deal with accusations that alot of these people on here are making. Okay, so we also believe that no one gets to the Father except through Jesus. We believe that Jesus suffered for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane and was crucified and He gave His life so that we may one day live with our Father in Heaven again. We don’t however, believe that only confessing our sins is enough. We believe that we must try and live our lives as Christ did. We must follow His example. We must try His works to do. We believe in and use the Bible. We think it is wrong to use only the Book of Mormon because we believe they go hand in hand for they both are scripture and hold teachings of Christ. We feel we need the Book of Mormon because it was a record of the teachings of Christ and things that were happening to the people on the American continent. We believe that the people Columbus discovered (the Indians) are descendants of the Lamanites and Nephites who are people that came to America from Jeruselum (before America was discovered). Those Lamanites and Nephites recorded all of the goings on, all of the visits form angles, all of the teachings of Christ that they were taught and put them on Golden Plates. The plates were hidden for many many years before they were discovered by Joseph Smith. We do not worship Joseph Smith but we do believe he ushered in the last dispensation and was chosen by God to do so. He translated NOT wrote, the Book of Mormon. He translated those golden plates and that is what became the Book of Mormon. We are not asking people to do away with what they know, practice, and believe…we are asking them to add this to it. Who wouldn’t want to know more about Christ? The entire reason for keeping those records on the Golden plates was to convince people that Jesus was the Christ, that He would come, and that He would save us all from damnation. Despite our differences in belief of docterine…can’t we all agree that our main purpose on this Earth is to learn of Christ, become more like Him, and then one day return to live with Him for eternity?? Doesn’t that make one a Christian?

I love it when one group tells another what they do and don’t believe. Some of you would make great politicians. I am with hundreds of millions of other Christians who, for centuries, have prayerfully studied the Bible and question the many conflicting aspects of the man-made Trinity concept. My God is not a burrito, with all three rolled into one.

U r so wrong. Read John 1:18

I’ve read some of the posts and I didn’t think they were hateful. Do they all come across that way to you or just people expressing their differences? Some were harsh which is not right but quite a few seemed to just want to express their point. I think open discussion is good and I dont think it is necessarily wrong to share differences or taking a stance for the differences in beliefs. It seems most posting that my not agree with Mormonism theologically still support Romney and like Mormons – they just disagree that Mormons and Christians have the same theology.

Well said!

Sharon, have you ever read the “Doctrines and Covenants”? Or the teachings of Joseph Smith? If you will do so, you will see the falsehood that Glenn Beck just promoted. He is not correct on that issue for sure. Now, I grant that the majority of LDS churches or representatives of Mormonism do not practice polygamy, nor am I saying they should, I’m just referring to the facts of history. YOUR church’s history. Look it up, I have read it for myself.

Matthew 28;19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,” …. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of
hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides
Me.”…..Isaiah 45:5 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of
hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides
Me.”….John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God (Jesus)….Genesis 1:26 Then God said, ‘Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness;
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the
sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping
thing that creeps on the earth.’”…Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of US,
knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take
also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever -’”
Isaiah 45:5 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of
hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME.” (Thus the teaching of the Trinity as found in the totality of the Bible..there are even more verses than these as well) Mormon doctrine is not the same as Christian doctrine and the Bible says in Gal 1:8-9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven (if any), preach any other gospel unto you then that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (accursed meaning condemned to hell)

YES!!!!! VERY WELL PUT!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

No sweetie, you are confused!!! This is hilarious!

Actually the Bible does instruct against polygamy in several places in the Old Testament and the New Testament. The fact that several of the characters in the OT failed in this regard does not negate the instruction. Polygamy is simply a violation of the intention of God regarding marriage; as is divorce and remarriage. It does happen and God still graciously offers His mercy and forgiveness in spite of our failures. I’m not trying to argue, just pointing out your factual mistake.

It’s not a misconception…Christ was praying to His Father…and it’s not just Mormons that have a problem with the Trinity idea. I was raised in the Church of Christ and they absolutely DID NOT believe in the Trinity idea as most propose. They believed like the Mormons believe…there is a Father, there is a Son and there is a Holy Ghost. They are not the same person… Crystal

Lively discussions all. I am a member
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- Day-Saints. Mormon to most of you, no
different than saying Lutheran I suppose. The name merely identifies us, not
what we believe. We certainly do believe that Jesus Christ is God (the Son),
His Father, whom He prayed to in numerous places in the Bible, is God the
Father, and the Holy Ghost (or Spirit) is God’s messenger to us in many times
and places and forms, one example being when Jesus is baptized, the Holy Spirit
appears as a dove. Three separate and distinct beings, ONE in purpose. We are
all spirit children of God the Father. God even created Lucifer (Satan), but he
rebelled and was kicked out. Is Jesus his brother? I suppose, only in the same
sense that we are all spirit children of God and thereby brothers and sisters.
However, Satan will pervert that to mean the wrong thing to some people who
will listen to him. Jesus Christ is God the Father’s only begotten in the flesh. How immaculate
conception worked, none of us really knows. All we know is what it says in the
Bible, Mary, a virgin, conceived and brought forth a son, Jesus Christ, in the
flesh. We all look to Him, and His infinite sacrifice and atonement, for our
salvation. He is our Redeemer and our Savior. It is He who is the Great Jehovah
of the Old Testament, the Creator of this world. I believe we are all very much
more similar in our beliefs than different, if one looks with an open eye, not
a closed heart and mind. Do we, as individuals, all, sometimes make mistakes? I
know I do! Thank you, Jesus, for the atonement and allowing me the principle of repentance!

Now, I dare say that if you look at any
religion you can find things in their history that are at the least, not
flattering, whether theyare true or made up. And I think there is some of both is
all our histories. But, I believe we are all good people just doing the best we
can. It does no good to practice name calling, finger pointing and criticizing
each other because of what we each think the other believes. That is just what
Satan wants, us to squabble amongst ourselves so he can feed off the hate and
use it against us and bring us down to his level. Can we just agree to disagree
on the finer points of our various religions and leave it to God to judge us?
By doing that and combining our efforts, we can do wonderful things and much
good in this life.

My salvation doesn’t depend on you and your opinion. We won’t be judged by our religion…we will be judged by our actions…you may do well to remember that

Leah, the word “Elohim” does indeed mean “Gods” but it does not specify itself to the point that you could say it means the Trinity. “Elohim” does not mean “several in one.” It means “Gods.” And yes, God is “One” as man is “one.” But this does not make a bit of sense if you say that the Son (Christ) is the same as God the Father. Again, Christ would not have made reference to the Father or pray to Him if he were only a part of Himself. Crystal

Kimberly,
Misquoting Jesus was what you just did and what Erhman entitled his book. It says “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” which is correct. You left out the “and” before the Son. And the most important words are “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Ghost”. In Greek it is patros, huiou, pneumatos. It’s a neat trick, but the fact of the matter is the doctine of the Trinity came about from the Councils in the 4th century uder the authority of Constantine, the Pagan, who on this issue asserted his power to make God conform with Hellenistic beliefs. Years after the Council at Nicea, Constantine converted to Christianity, but only after he made sure the Christian God was similar in nature to the Roman gods.

Believe as you desire, but allow me the same right. I believe in the Jesus of the New Testament, and you believe the same thing. But why is only one of us saying the other is not Christian?

I’m not insisting Mormons are right, or I am right. I’m just saying they have faith in the Jesus Christ of the Old Testament and the New Testament, as you do (whether they accept the Nicean Creed or not).

Faith in Trinity doesn’t bring salvation. Faith in Christ does. I feel good about my faith in Christ (even if I’m messed up on the trinity).

Buth the Id, Ego, Superego analogy was very lame. The Id can’t be seen physically standing on the right hand side of the Ego. The Ego doesn’t pray to the Id. The SuperEgo doesn’t say he is the SON of the Ego. They are conepts of human phsychology, not seperate physical beings. And fruidian phsychology has nothing to do with the nature of God.

I may be wrong on my undersanding of the Trinity, but I’m SURE the relationship between the Son, the Father and the Holly Spirit is not that of 3 fruidian concepts.

But I’m sure it’s faith in Christ that’s important. That is clear.

Very well put. Thank you so much. I wish I could have thought of such an eloquent way to put it.

As a member of the LDS faith, I can tell you that we do NOT believe that a physical man got Mary pregnant. We believe it as the bible states. We do not believe that Adam was a God, we believe that Adam was a man, he was Adam, the fist man on earth. Before that Adam was a spirit, just as we were. Not a God. We believe he was a good man, a righteous man here on earth. No where have I ever heard that Mary was a heavenly wife? We know she was a choice spirit and as the scriptures say, chosen. Hope this helps clear thing up.

By Wallace Goddard <<<
http://ldsmag.com/article/1/11409

I am a Christian. Mormons are Mormons or Latter Day Saints, whichever they prefer to call themselves. I would really love all Mormons much more if that is what they referred to themselves as. When they call themselves Christians, that is when I have problems with the Mormons. They are NOT Christians. No more are they Christians than, say, “Jehovah Witness’s” or “The Church of Scientology” or the “Unification Church” are Christians. Their beliefs are not the same as all basic Christian beliefs. If Mormons just called themselves Mormons I would respect them more. Here are just four beliefs (there are many more!) of Mormons that Christians do not believe:

1. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must
be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest,
liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom .
(Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)

2. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage
Manual p. 1)

3. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith p. 346)

4. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the
Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345).

.

But you are……you are spirit, soul, and body. Your spirit is that part of you that enables you to exist eternally. Your soul is your unique personality….made up of mind, will, and emotions. Your body is your temporary unique vehicle while on earth…..it enables others to see you…but, looks can be deceiving. One has to spend time with a person to really “see” or know what they are really like. The most important thing we can do here on earth is to choose where we want to spend eternity. We don’t get to Heaven by default…..it’s a conscious choice. Jesus paid the full price for our salvation…..our only job or “work” is believe on Him who God has sent to be our savior. Once we receive the free gift of salvation, He does want us to do good works…..but they are not additional payments for salvation…..salvation cannot be earned. No matter how good we think we are we could never get to Heaven apart from trusting in Him and His sacrifice for us. Jesus said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life……and no one comes to the Father but through Him. In these Last Days…. He has prepared an ultimate place of survival for His Church(hint, it’s not in this world)……receive Him today as Lord and Savior…..don’t be left behind.

@preselect
Well, if what you posted makes you proud and these are the fruits of your beliefs, mocking and attacking, then continue on your way. But it is hard to have a “blessed day” when a response to my post is so full of venom.

Simply, no.

http://ldsmag.com/article/1/11409 <<<< Thanks for the paste Wendi :p

Yes, and we believe that Jesus Christ, came to earth, in the flesh, born of a virgin, and was crucified for our sins. We believe that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ and His atonement. All we do is to honor the name of Jesus Christ and to follow Him. I believe that make us Christians.

Tony, John 1:18 does not prove the Trinity…I don’t understand where you are coming from.

The misconception is not that Jeuss prayed to the Father, the misconception is what the Trinity means in a thoughful well studied manner rahter than in quick theology. And that adds to another point I made in another post earlier which is that there is a difference and both doctrines cannot logically be true. In a nutshell discussion I can throw out a very simple analogy thta an apple is an apple even if it has the ability to be separeted into skin, meat and core. It is still an apple and only one apple, not three apples. Yes I realize that analogy breaks down and as I said a discussion of the Trinity cannot be fully dealt with in this type of forum however in very simplistic terms that is a snippet of the meaning. As to the Mormon doctrine of becoming gods of your own planets…no one ever engages on that and I am really wanting an understanding if all Mormons know of that doctrine and if so how tht is the same as Christianity for those who claim Christinaity and Mormonism are the same.

Amen! I think that in general, Mormons are great people and to be honest, I would rather be around Mormons than some Christians!. Although their theology is not that same as what might be called “mainstream Christian”. Thus, when you call yourselves Christians, it is like me saying “Hi! I’m from the Church of the Wiccan Pagan Saints and I am a Mormon, I believe the Moon is a Mormon God, as do all true Mormons”. My guess is Mormons would be offended!

Really???? LOL!! Then I feel sorry for you.

There are many discourses that early prophets of the church made as to their personal beliefs…these aren’t considered church doctrine, because they were not divinely inspired. They are just the opinions of men who were prophets of the church in the early days. There are many such things in early text that the church doesn’t officially believe to be doctrinal. This is why you won’t hear many folks in the Mormon church speaking of these things. It wasn’t a prophecy from God given to the people. It was the writings of a mortal man and his opinion on the nature of things. You are not speaking of something that is anything to do with the Mormon religion. You are speaking of an opinion (and I believe it was Brigham Young….) I can check that for you if you like. I can see where you would be confused about that. Crystal

Glenn you are WRONG, mormons are a CULT, they follow a MAN joseph smith, NOT Jesus. They may carry a KJV Bible,BUT they follow joesph smith book, the only thing I can say about the mormons is that they have the same Values as I do being an independent KJV Baptist. I do not smoke, drink ,do drug and I will not have sex outsie of marriage. Also It is against my reglions to buy or serve alcohol. Sorry Glenn but you Really need to accept CHRIST as your SAVIOR, and leave joseph smith behind….

I don’t see where “baptism for the dead” is supported in 1 Corinthians.

“HER teachings”? Who’s teachings do you follow? His… or Hers? I’m pretty sure Jesus is a him and not a her.
Christians follow HIS teachings, not hers. No disprepect to “Her”, but HE is the Savior. He called us to follow him… not her.

@Pat, seems like you opened your heart, but closed your brain. Come on, quoting Revelations as the Book of Mormon adding to the word? I’m sure you’ve studied the history of the Bible. I’m sure I don’t need to educate you when all the different books were written and when and how they were all compiled. God didn’t hand us the Bible through a cloud and say, “This is my perfect word.” It is a Library (Biblioteque a.k.a. Bible) of books.

Maybe you should convert to Judaism since Deuteronomy says the exact same thing, so the rest of the Old (after the Torah) and New Testaments should be thrown out as well according to your logic.

Here are two beliefs that NO Christian church would teach:

1). God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)

2). Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
Again, you are Mormons. If you really feel that this religion is correct (remember, you ARE betting your afterlife!) than be proud enough to call yourself a Mormon. But please don’t try to equate Mormonism=Christianity because it does not.

I appreciate your kind words about your LDS neighbors. I also appreciate your willingness to disagree in a kind manner. On the scriptures you quoted above, they are words I love. “I and the Father are one, ” one in purpose, one in doctrine. “If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father,” because they are so similiar. For example, people who get to know my daughter first and then get to know me, always say, “Oh, I would have known that was your mother, you two are just alike.”

I am no doctrinal genius (obviously), but I wanted to share my humble perspective. Regardless of how we see God, we BOTH worship and esteem God (Heavenly Father) and his son, Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost being a member of the God-head, a person of spirit.

I am grateful for Christians everywhere and of every religion that pray, and that try to follow Jesus Christ’s example. I know that as a people, and as a nation we will be blessed for following the teachings of the Savior. In today’s world, if we don’t come together, under Christ’s name, then we will be weakened as a nation and our religious freedoms could possibly be taken from us.

Thank you for correcting my spelling, whew, I was stressing it. Now let me correct you.
Brigham Young said: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses, volume 8, p. 115)
He also said: “When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost… Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, pp. 50, 51)
Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:
“Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of man, and that man was God! They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten [conceived] of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible.” Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 18,19
Bruce McConkie:
“And so, in the final analysis it is the faithful saints, those who have testimonies of the truth and divinity of this great latter-day work, who declare our Lord’s generation to the world. Their testimony is that Mary’s son is God’s Son; that he was conceived and begotten in the normal way; that he took upon himself mortality by the natural birth processes; that he inherited the power of mortality from his mother and the power of immortality from his Father-in consequence of all of which he was able to work out the infinite and eternal atonement” (The Promised Messiah: The First Coming of Christ, p. 473).
Feel free to check the facts. Most of which you can find in BYU’s historical documents online..
It always cracks me up, when its assumed people who speak against the churches history, belong to some anti mormon church where they learn to hate… Fact is, I was like that for a long time. When I attend church I learn about Gods love, the bible, how to grow stronger in him.. How I am a sinner, and Jesus came and died to pay for my sins in full… I learn that faith without works is dead, so I choose to accept my sin, and know that I am perfect threw him. We don’t talk about mormons. Ive chosen to do the research because after being in the church for so long, it was hard for me to face the facts, I was compltely convinced if I left the church I would go to “eternal darkness”… I am grateful every day that Jesus found and saved me.
As far as my being a false prohet… well I never claimed to be a prophet. The BIBLE says to be afraid of false prophets.. Yes the BIBLE is Gods word. The bible gives many words of wisdom to lead us to him, and not into falsehoods. The Bible is the word of God.
I said this a few times I do believe that LDS can be as saved as anyone else who surrenders to the lord, and professes Jesus name as their savior. The history is sketchy at best. It seems like a waste of time, to me, to give all your works, faith, and time to a church when God asks us to serve him. I do believe that the majority of the LDS don’t really know the history of the church, or some of the practices and docterins of the early days. When it comes down to it God sees your heart. Its about what you believe, not what your church believes. Its about your personal relationship with Jesus, not your attendance, and devotion to a church.

And God breathed into Adam making in him a living soul. In other words your soul is GOD’s breath that no matter where your physical body will end up judgement day, your soul returns to GOD. If you accept Christ as your Savior and live a Christian life you will be like Christ, you will have a body like His, a heavenly body denoting no sexual attributes. Christ in Heaven is not the same Christ known on earth in His physical form nor will all those whom are sainted followers of Christ, we will all be the same, transformed into His likeness. I believe at that time he will be a separate entity from GOD as GOD is the universe and in fact He is all the universes if there is more than one. Like the little girl who went to Heaven and returned said GOD is big and can hold the world in His hand. In the new Jerusalem Christ will reign over us and will therefore be separate from GOD but only in His physical form, He will still be GOD in His spiritual form. You are correct in one thing, that they are equal in attributes and power and why, because they are one, Father Son and Holy Ghost. The Father that makes up the entire universe, the son that is GOD come to earth in human form to die for man’s sins and the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of Christ, the comforter he left with us to guide us and provide for us in our Christian walk. The blessed trinity has nothing to do with politicians, your angry men. Evelyn, regarding the BOM let me point you to Rev. 22: 18-19 This also takes in account the Watch tower, the Koran and other false teachings. What happened to the gold plates? Have you picked out which planet you will rule? How about a nice steaming cup of coffee? Have a nice day.

Benjamin Franklin

TI….this was what I found for you. It gives you a place to look.

“…since mortal beings are the spirit children of Heavenly Parents, as pointed out in the last chapter, the ultimate possibility is for some of them to become exalted to Godhood.” (The Gospel Through the Ages, Hunter, p.104) Brigham Young declared: “Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.245). Crystal

Natalee, are you married, I am in love with you and if Al Gore is successful in his endeavor to get 38 states to abolish the Electoral College I will be a shoo-in by both parties for the presidential seat as I will put my plan for America on a web site. I did enter it as a comment on the patriot page a while back and received an immediate 4,509 “like” hits. People from both parties like what I propose and I am certain I can garner 140,000,000 write ins to put me over the top with the electorates removed as they would be the only thing that would stop me as their removal is part of my plan. I have already selected my running mate for VP, but not a staunch mate that would be by my side. If you haven’t already read it, -here it is.

No money, only guts
I am not a person of wealth to butt heads in political debates and to openly declare my aspirations for putting America back on course and gain back the respect of other nations. To do this, I will need the American people to back me wholeheartedly. I am an honest man and as my ex wife once told me that I would be a very rich man if I were not afraid to step on others. I have served my country honorably in three branches of service and wear my Korea Veterans cap to remind people we are not the “forgotten vets” as the media has portrayed us. General George Washington was a write in candidate for the presidency so there would be no precedent on my part if I were to win that seat.

Following are my plans for my platform, ” A much smaller and smarter government”.

Alright America, as to my plan to bring our country back to an even keel and gain back the respect of other nations who have been Kow-Towed to by our change and hope so called president. His change is for a predominately homosexual government body and his hope is for tyrannical rule over us.

As our forefathers instruct us in the Declaration of Independence to oust a form of government harming the people and install a new form. With your help we can initiate a form of selection, not election that will have no need of the electoral college, the biggest political crooks. In this manner, those in their peak both physically and mentally in the age group of 30 to 50, the first year may or someone else can submit their name to their district office where as thousands of names will be entered if not millions. Year two they will be screened by a panel of clergy to eject all undesirables. Year three tested by experts in all fields with process of elimination to arrive with one person from each state. These fifty in year four will enter a large chamber and each to a cubicle with computer and video-cam. Computer has another series of tests more stringent than previously taken, video cam is for eyes of world to pan cubicles to view facial expressions and body movements of those being tested. Highest scorer is new president with each lessening of scores to fill new government cabinet. The forty nine will have access to a large computer bank and they will be advisors and afilliates to the president. None will have a personal staff.
Benjamin Franklin during those four years will, with out a salary put America back on course. First to obliterate Obamacare and since we are not in Russia dump the czars. Next we ” can” T.S.A., E.P.A., N.E.A. and any other agency not performing a real service. Everyone will be placed on a 13% flat tax. Make a million, pay 13%, make a thousand, pay 13% , no tax shelters or credits. If you are being paid a wage, you pay taxes. This will result in approximately an 80% reduction in the I.R.S. compliment with an option to continue working in uniform with U.S. troops returned from policing countries unwarranted to police our own borders against illegal entry.
To countries the present administration has indebted us to for billions of dollars, inform them that what has been received is partial payment of what they owe us from WWII and to write it off. And, to those corporations that took advantage of us through NAFTA to utilize slave labor leaving minimal employment here that if they manufacture in other countries, they sell their products in other countries, not here and if they opt to return and pay the American worker a decent living wage, they are welcome. Where there is oil, drill and some of the more abundant petroleum properties are federally owned going against the constitution whereas the government is not to own property other than property deemed by the American people to be a National park or monument. All other such properties will be auctioned to the highest private American buyer, no foreign entities allowed.
Upon learning that the United Nations are the issuers of social security numbers and have complete domination over the I.M.F. and the I.R.S. with American taxpayers picking up the major funding for it’s existence and that now it consist mainly of Islamic nations who would enslave us, I feel it time to pull the plug along with our hard earned tax dollars funding these Godless Idol worshipers and turn over to U.S. agencies activities that should be performed by them such as the issuance of S.S. numbers by the Social Security Administration. It is no wonder illegals are able to draw benefits with out ever having worked here. However, I do feel that those having lived here for a period of five years and are contributing to our nation to be schooled for a period of six months on U.S. History, cultures and our language and then sworn in as American citizens. Refusals to be deported with families.
Welfare to be enacted by certain churches in each community with subsidization from the government. For those who are qualified by a physician appointed by the church, will receive supplementary assistance, all others advised to seek employment. (There will be some exceptions)

Mr. Franklin will serve his four years (without salary as did President George Washington) to implement his plan and when his term has expired, put a petition on the internet for America to sign to end the two party system on a National level while maintaining on local and state levels to preserve a balance. This action will send the career politicians packing making way for fifty honest people being groomed to lead the people, not rule with salary approved by the people to a more abundant and brighter future and at the end of their four years receive a generous severance package making room for next 50 being groomed.

What I have written here to be executed by the powers of the office will in fact cause all worthwhile proposals by other candidates to fall in place without the expense of a huge war chest. All that is needed is for America to wake up and head us in the right direction for a more prosperous and brighter future for coming generations to seek Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Taking note of the movie “Going Home”, that sometimes there is no home to go back to after returning from battle and no job. This has been ongoing for years, After returning from Korea I read in the want ads, “NO FEE FOR SPECIAL SITUATIONS”. The man had a long list of jobs that I was qualified for so I told him I was a Korea vet with a wife and two small children, would that qualify me for the “NO FEE”? He said it would not and that the no fee jobs were for relations out of work. After a few choice words with the fat slob, I paid the fee. If elected, I will have congress put into law that when a person is absent from employment due to deployment to foreign soil,his position to be filled by temporary employment until he is fully reinstated.

Benjamin Franklin

Yeah, I raised my eye brows on that statement too. I’m a Mormon, never heard of it. As the person above, I believe in Jesus Christ, he was born by a virgin, lived a perfect life, died on the cross for my sins, rose the third day. Only through Jesus Christ am I saved, because of Him I can repent, become clean. And. . I’m a Mormon.

First off, I am Mormon and I love the Bible. It is a great compilation of great disciples and prophets of God. I especially enjoy reading the words of Christ. I believe it is the word of God.

I also believe God spoke to Prophets everywhere to teach of the Good News. I believe those prophets wrote down their visions, prophecies, and testimonies of Christ. And if these writing help me better understand Christ and His plan, then why wouldn’t I read them?

If God’s house is a house of order, than why is there so much confusion among the Christian faiths? Even on this post people are talking about being saved by Grace, other by works. About the Trinity and separate beings.

I believe the Book of Mormon contains writings of prophets called of God as well. And reading the Bible and the B of M together help me better understand Christ and His plan for us.

If you read the B of M and don’t feel closer to your Savior, I’d be surprised.

Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Here the Bible says there is no marriage in eternity.

It is in chapter 15.

And let me add this…my salvation and judgement will not depend on what YOU think is wrong or right. It is not and will not ever be up to you as to what a Christian is and whether or not I go to Heaven or Hell. I honestly do not care if you think I am a Christian or not and if you are what a Christian is supposed to be then maybe I am glad that you think I’m not one. I think it’s sad that you are so closed-minded and so proud as well. I would never be so proud as you and be so presumptuous as to what God will do and what His will is. I am a Christian and your opinion does not, cannot, and will not change that. I am a Christian whether you like it or not. I am a child of God and He loves me and I have been so blessed throughout my entire life. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I am a Christian.

No one but GOD has the right to add or take away from the Bible. God has added, it is the Book of Mormon, written for our time. It reinforces the Bible. Please Pat, don’t call our prophet a ‘snake oil salesman, ‘ you may not believe that he was a prophet, but I do. So be respectful, as Jesus would have us all be.

Bucko, it’s a tall order to insist that they call themselvs “Mormons” just so you would love them more. Because to them… the monicer “Mormon” is a derogatory nickname given them by their detractors, not their real name they prefer to call themselvs. They swallow hard and accept the outsider’s label “Mormon” to avoid conflict…. but I wouldn’t expect them to LIKE it… or to do it just to please you or other deractors who claim they would love them more if they would just do this… or that.
Detractors expecting them to call themselvs the nickname their enemies gave them… would be like the Jr High bully expecting the kids he bullies to refer to themselvs by the names he calls them (just to make him happier).

the reference you are giving actually refers to worldly marriage only (those who are not married in the temple). without temple marriage, you are correct, marriage does not exist after death. if you are married in the temple though, marriage does continue to exist.

To all of you battling over the “real” Christ and the trinity, etc…

You guys are all ridiculous! All you are doing is splitting hairs that don’t matter and giving the enemy the mud to sling back at you.

Christians, Mormons, How can you KNOW 100% that you have Christ pegged? You can’t! Don’t argue with me. You can’t! All you have is faith. That faith is there for YOUR personal salvations. You may teach others one way or the other, but in the end, each of us have to come to Christ on our own, on our own faith, with our own relationship with him.

Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

Enough with all this condemning each other. Condemnation is Satans #1 favorite tool to divide us.

If you insist that the other is wrong, FORGIVE THEM! That is your job as a Christian. To be an ambassador for Christ. ALL SIN IS EQUAL in God’s eyes and we are all sinners. So if you are convinced that one group is living in sin by not knowing Christ the same way you do, GET OVER IT, because GOD Forgives you for all the dumb crap you’ve done, so you should do the same.

Many years ago when I was in college, I made the mistake of telling an atheist friend “Catholics are not real Christians” and he said “Man, why a Christian’s always saying that about each other”…and right there I new I messed up. Was I being a Christ-like example to my friend? NO! I was giving him more reason to stay away from Christians, who are are obviously too close-minded to except others.

Don’t forget, in the new testament, the pharisees were the villains. They murdered Christians (AKA Followers of the Cult of the Nazarene) simply because they didn’t think they were following the scriptures correctly. And trust me, pharisees new the word better than any of us. But they were blinded by their legalism and their condemnation and they missed the whole point. LOVE!!!!

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

Isn’t is possible that Christ can be a separate person AND Equally God? Isn’t it possible that God is not bound by physics, time, or the limited capacity of our mortal minds? Don’t you think HE has it figured out and what we THINK doesn’t matter?

So what if Mormon’s do some wacky stuff? SO WHAT! What does it hurt?

Look at how much time is waisted on this topic! There are people out there desperately in need of Grace and love. Get out there and cover, feed, love your neighbors.

The saying goes “What would Jesus DO?” …not “What is Jesus to you?” …It’s not about you! It’s about LOVE, Damn it.

How old are we on “the other side”? Can we see, hear, feel on the other side? How long do we live on the other side – 100, 1,000, 1,000,000 years? Can we see life on earth from the other side?

I have to go back but I think some of that is in Doctrines and Covenants and also espoused by Joseph Smith at the inception of Mromonsim. Is only some of that still believed by the church (doctrines and covenants)? I really dont know. I have honeslty found the Doctrines and Covenants a bit ponderous to read through but troubling in some of its theological differnces. Troubling in the sense that so many try to say that the Mormon Church believes the same thing as the Christian Church which I just dont find to be the case in many ways. I am really appreciative of your response. Have a goo d night. I’ll check in the morning if there are any more comments. T

I will help with some of this if you will.

Q. Hey Glenn…I would like to know about the Mormon Masonic connection.
A. Our church has strong advice against what we call “secret combinations” which is secretive movements and organizations exactly masons and its very frowned upon to be in such groups. Why? you may ask? Well, Its important to us to keep a view towards Jesus Christ and salvation and not get involved with a group who may require us to do things that could bring our salvation into question. The church leadership warns openly against it.

Q. Did you know the largest Masonic temple I have ever seen rests within 1 mile of the Mormon Temple in SLC? And the others like NSA Building a Center near some city or whatever.
A. Without being too strangely obvious, Because two buildings are within miles of each other doesn’t mean they have anything at all to do with each other. In the USA, Most buildings built even SIDE-BY-SIDE are not associated with each other at all, much less miles apart or on the outskirts of the city. Chances are the land went up for sale one day, someone purchased it, and later something was built. Its hard to tell who and why. Try going up to some of these strange buildings and going inside and asking what they do and who they are. This will clear up all the mystery of the suspicious buildings you have I bet.

Q. I would like to hear the Mormon belief about the planet Kolab explained…
A. The Spelling is Kolob, Its starts here, Click on this link and scroll all the way to the bottom and look at the article called “BYU Professor Tracing Path of Book of Abraham Papyri”
http://www.bellasion.org/Magazines/Ensign/Ensign8085.html
Kolob is a translation from a document that Ancient Egyptian Mummies were burried with. It doesnt mean really anything to mormons. as a matter of fact, here is the scripture, to look at….
2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;
3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
Ok, So what i get from this is that they seen stars in outer space, and seen many stars. and one star which is near God, is set someway to govern all the rest of the stars. To tell you the truth, It sounds like celestial mechanics I dont really have any clue about. Maybe if I had to guess, the center of the milky way galaxy? Maybe one huge star that the whole galaxy swirls around in some way? but from what I can tell from this, its a star not a planet. And its from a scroll that was burried with ancient mummies from Egypt. Thats about it.

That just about covers everything you mentioned, other than you having issues with the ” add to or take away from this book”, its this in KJV
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
This is in the book of revelation, which was indeed a prophecy book, According to the text of Revelation, John is living on the Greek island of Patmos, where by some, he is considered to be in exile as a result of anti-Christian persecution under Roman emperor Domitian.
The New Testament books were assembled and canonized into the new Testament officially about 220A.D. Roughly, and the book of revelation was written around 600A.D. and later added to the new testament itself. I know we all will have our own opinions on this… but “words of the prophecy of this book” actually refers to the Book of Revelation as it was written as an individual book, before it was canonized into the New Testament, and the prophecies contained within its pages.

If you notice, The Bible as a whole, all 66 individual books that are contained in the canon are a literal record of the interaction of God with man. Begins with Moses, and leading out the slaves, As God interacted with people, more and more scripture was made. Jesus was born and so was the new testament born. Christ died, and the interactions with the apostles carried on to complete the new testament. And finally the visions given to St John the Divine close out the New Testament.
You may have a different opinion than me, but I genuinely believe that God is still working with man, and that the process that has always been from the beginning of time till now has not changed. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, As he still yet interacts with man in various ways, more and more scriptures will come to be. I believe that even more scriptures will come when Jesus comes for the second coming. People will once again write about the interactions with him while he is on the earth and the things that happen and it will be scripture as well. I feel like you are trying to use the quotes at the end of revelation to say there can be no more scriptures ever. I think in our hearts we all know where they come from and that God isn’t done with us.

Hope some of this helped.

I’m sorry but who made you the one to decide what makes a Christian a Christian. I don’t care how many quotes or how much argument you make I am a Christian as are all Latter-Day Saints…whether you think so or not. Just because you posted this doesn’t make you right. And it doesn’t change the fact that I am a Christian. Not to mention that I was referring to people saying we weren’t Christian because of the fact that we don’t believe in the trinity. But thank goodness God chose you to decide, right?

Perfectly over simplified, but correct! We each will meet our maker. Jesus is Jesus and He is our salvation. HE give us our salvation being the key. Not our neighbors or other religions.

Agreed

One tyhing I don’t get is… The “spirit babies.” About how God has thousands of wives, and every baby that is born on earth is God’s baby. if he/she was a good spirit baby, he/she gets a white skinned body, if he/she was a bad spirit baby he gets a black body. I DON’T GET IT! SOUNDS LIKE RACISM TO ME. Is that part thrown out or is it still like that? Do they still believe that? I’m not a Mormon, I’m a Protestant 14 year old. But I am so confused. When I heard that I was just shocked.

Not sure where you heard that but it just isn’t true sweetie. There’s alot of bad information out there and alot of it is on here. The only thing I can tell you to do is to pray about it and let the Spirit witness the truth to you.

I am married to a Mormon but we’ve been pretty inactive…me mostly…and honestly, I only know what I am told…he was a missionary and if you have questions, I would be happy to ask him and get the answer for you. Crystal

Come to think of it… can’t we all call ourselvs “Christian” if we want to? Aren’t we ALL “Christians”? I mean all people on this earth are children of the same God… right? Aren’t we all equal in the sight of God? Or are you somehow better than the rest of God’s children because only you are allowed to be called “Christian”? The rest have to call themself some other name so you will love them more? I mean we’re all the same… all children of the same God… aren’t we?

Exactly!

Nickels: You and any Mormon that has questions should really investigate the differences between Mormonism and Christianity. PLEASE: check out this group: http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/

Again…exactly!!!

I am LDS and did not know that the Church of Christ also taught that they are not the same person. Thank you.

Um- I’ve been a member a long time and I’m pretty sure I never heard that if you were good you got white skin and if you were bad you got black skin. We do believe we are all God’s children.

You are awesome Crystal…coming from a Mormon

Yes because all anti-mormons tell the truth about it right??

Elohim…

1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods
2) (plural intensive – singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God

Who says which is true?? You??? There is truth in all religion.

No, not spirit babies. God created spirits to send to earth, I don’t know how he created them, I don’t know how spirits are created, I don’t know how the world is created, just that God created it. WE are his spirit children, sent to earth. As a Mormon, I’ve never heard of God having thousands of wives. We do not believe that spirits are good or bad. ALL things that come from God are good. Black babies are good, just like you and me and will be judged before God just like you and me. There is no difference in God’s eyes between black and white people. No difference, he love us all. Jesus Christ died for us all. Mormon.org is a good and safe place you can go for information regarding Mormons.

@tony, I’m not sorry if I offended your delicate sensitivities, I’ve said it before and say it again. Piety be damned. That “cringe” you feel is not the Holy Spirit, it is indoctrination. Something more akin to good manners than any supernatural indwelling.

The Holy Spirit is much too intangible to be so predictable as legalistic indoctrination. It is like the wind, and those born of It are the same as well. Legalism rejects the freedom of the Spirit, and replaces it with tangibility that our flesh craves. Unfortunately, worshiping in “Spirit” and in “Truth” is quite different from flesh. You cannot feed them both. This is what people are ever seeing but never perceiving.

My snark is something that I’m quite proud of to be sure. It is a gift from God to separate bone from marrow, and for those who cannot see beyond the skin itself, at least it is entertaining too. I call Moroni “Macaroni” because I am ridiculing the name. It’s not real, not anywhere in history (cept in Italy where someone apparently invented it due to deficient spelling ability), yet two people have that name in da BoM. I guess false prophets get writer’s block too. If you cannot get beyond your own indoctrinated piety to appreciate the significance then just stick a feather in your cap and laugh because Macaroni is a funny word. Almost as funny as Moroni, which is gawdawfully close to a drunken mispronunciation of the word Mormon.

The people in the real Gospels, have real names. Names of people from that time period and again, we didn’t wait around for 2000 or in the case of da BoM 1400ish years for someone to finally be worthy to “uncover” them. It is a lie, a fact that the Holy Spirit confirms. Your relationships are not a lie, your friends, your family, they are not lies. It’s Joe that is the lie. (using the name “Joe” removes the false significance of this man and reminds us that he’s a plain ole guy who happened to be quite good at lying) Eternal marriage? Tell me Joe, whose wife will she be again? His editors missed that, among so many contradictions. In Heaven we are like the Angels, we are NOT married. (yes I took the liberty to tweak Jesus’ words, because it is the truth. Angels DON’T marry it wasn’t some doublespeak for staying married to your first wife forever) Please reject “the other” testament and come back to the fold, like chicks under Jesus’ wings. You do have a thing or two to teach the Christians, but it has nothing to do with legalism, pasta, or fairy tales.

The doctrine of the Trinity was not in the early manuscripts. It was added much later around 300-400 AD.

I like the smile, thanks! sMILE.

And I hope they were prosecuted, Mormon or not. I’ve lived in UT and all over the world. I’ve only run into discrimination once. It was from a community of church goers who didn’t like that I was a Mormon. It happens, sorry it happens.

Natalee, please say that you are not married, I have fallen deeply in love with you. I love your mind and the words that come from it. I love that you love GOD and Christ. You remind me so much of another who used to have her GOD’s little corner in a flea market building where she would tell people about GOD and what He could and would do for them if they would accept His son Jesus Christ. She had many successes to her endeavors and some of those she turned to Christ did the same with their friends. she sold religious items at her booth like t-shirts with religious sayings on them. She had her own T-shirt printing press that I bought for her that saved her a lot of money now that she didn’t have to order the shirts from others. She was know as Sister Charlotte by all who knew and loved her. I do miss her since she moved away, she was a big part of my life. I want to know you and make you a big part of my life in our Christian walk with our Lord. Dare I say it, yes I dare, LOVE AND KISSES.

Benjamin Franklin

mormons believe there is no trinity,, tht the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 separate individual Gods…. working together for the same but that is all I know. I’m sure there’s more to that.

I ask that they don’t listen to me either, but do the research themselves.Joseph Smith was far from uneducated, He was a very well spoken man.
Anyway I am happy you have found peace in your faith. God bless,
“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ” Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).

also, Muslims believe the Quran was the last word from God, the final revelation from God. I believe all that we need from God is in the Bible, the whole Bible. We can use other resources to study and further understand the Bible and ancient history but the Bible says God gave us what we need within it’s pages. The Bible also defines a true prophet of God.

Jeremy, read my comment to Evelyn, you my friend are so wrong, the bible does teach the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost

Benjamin Franklin

Croc, I am sorry you feel that way. Polygamy has not been a part of the church for many, many years. And if a member is caught practicing it, they are excommunicated. Please read Glenn’s above information regarding polygamy and the reason for it. After many of our members had been killed, leaving thousands of women and children without a bread winner, polygamy was instituted to help these families. Less that 5% of the church practiced polygamy.

Good questions – No official answers on this, but we are taught that time/life on earth is like a blink of an eye — a very short period of time in comparison to our eternal lives. As spirits, before we came to earth, there were many things we could not do because we did not have a body. The specifics of that I don’t know — but we were all very excited to get a physical body. After the resurrection, our spirit (which separates from our body at death) will be reunited with our body, but it will be perfected and we will be made whole and our spirit and our body will never be separated again. So any afflictions we may suffer with (I’m so excited to ditch the glasses!) will be gone – so I would imagine we will see, hear, and feel GREAT! Resurrection is possible because of Christ’s sacrifice. A example of life after resurrection can be found in the New Testament the resurrected Christ ate in front of His apostles and let them touch him.

Ya I cant even begin to imagine where you got that info at all. A general tip for life is dont believe everything you read on the internet. Believe a whole lot less of the people who tell you what other people who they dont like believes. Chances are its wrong.

I am Mormon and did a construction job for a fellow Mormon one time. He was a member of my ward bishopric. The guy then cheated me out of the money I deserved for doing his job. That was almost 7 years ago. To this day, if I see him, I would still harbor thoughts of hurting him. He really hurt my family when he did that. But I know this doesn’t portray all members of the Church. I am married to an amazing woman, and have an amazing ward where we are located now. There are always exceptions to the rule. Not everyone is a stand-up member of society. It wouldn’t have mattered what religion this guy was. He was a liar and a cheater. But I didn’t let him ruin my perception of all Mormons or other people. I just learned to be much more careful in my business practices with everyone after that.

There are plenty like you in the world.

this is in response to MW…when I get an response alert, the link won’t take me to the comment so I have no idea where the comment is. Anyway,
Matt 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

This cannot be speaking of earthly marriage. It is speaking of marriage in our resurrected lives. It clearly says there is no marriage after we are resurrected. I don’t know where you get that idea but it’s not in the Bible and this verse certainly does not say anything about the Temple, marriage in God’s Kingdom or anything like that..except that there is none. To say it means anything else is a perversion of scripture.

I and my Father are one ,,,,HUMMMMM

ARE JESUS AND SATAN BROTHERS !?!?

Ugh.. My comment got deleted. I went over some of those theories above, but I do want to say that I do believe that LDS are good people with a good faith and following, most don’t know the church’s history and just believe what the current prophets say.. and that is fine, but don’t deny your history, OWN IT, read about it, be ready to defend it… the fact is that “adam God ” theory is something that was taught early in the church, by “prophets” it was denounced as doctorine in 1976 by Kimball as was the conception of Jesus Christ being in a “natrual way” So you don’t beleive it anymore, its not taught, its still a building block in the belief system of the “only true church”.. along with polygamy, joseph smiths polyandrous relaionships, and people with dark skin not being able to hold the priesthood. Just because its not practiced now, doesn’t make it not a part of the building of the church. Im not “anti mormon” , Im definatly not a Bigot. But you cant say these things where NEVER a part of the church, when they clearly where. God looks into the hearts of man, he knows you.. he knows what you believe.. your church doctrine and history doesn’t change that…

Mormons are kind, loving, great neighbors, intelligent, good politicians & talk radio hosts, and just flat out amazing….but that is not a proof for their faith. Mormons offer nothing more than the bible offers. The bible is all we need. I know some would like to call me a bigot, similar to Obama calling republicans racist, however lets be fair. Jesus said I am the way and the truth and you can only come to the father by Him. So you do not need Joseph Smith and his teaching. The angel he saw was not from god. Gal 1. It was a different Gospel. There was no lost teaching. You also do not have to bang 30+ mens wives like horny Joe to get to heaven. Sorry Glen, this is your biggest blind spot, you have no evidence to support your position. The mammoth temples talked about in the Mormon bible never happened and you cant visit one single city or temple talked about in the Mormon bible. The American Indians are not Jews…and the nephites did not ride into battle on deer…Can we agree that Jesus is ALL we need? Isnt Jesus enough???

Thats a bunch of scriptures? If you are wondering, Yes We um read those too…. and also the whole rest of the KJV Bible. What you have there is a start, you got a long ways to go to get the rest of it.

Another teaching that NO Christian Church would teach:
You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon
Doctrine p. 118)

I understand what you are saying, but by voting for someone not even on the ballot, you are only hurting the country. Ron Paul did that and that is part of why we are where we are today. 4 years ago, so many people insisted on voting for him, it split the conservative vote too much, and the dems only had Obama. I personally hate it when people insist on wasting their vote like this. I’m not going to argue about you misdirected views of the LDS church. If you know how to search in the Bible, you can find that the views you are claiming are contrary to the scriptures are actually dictated as biblical commandments from God.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were cons and a fakes as false Prophets. Mormons, the ones I have met, are very nice moral people and love this country and their family, but this does not change the facts of what is true or false.
This is Brigham Young from his sermons this proves that he is no prophet.

“I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 (January 2, 1870)”

Mormons no longer practice Polygamy officially, but Brigham Young said below:

“Brigham Young, “the only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.” — Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269 (August 19, 1866)”

I am “White” and my wife is “Black.” before 1978 “Blacks” were not capable of the same afterlife as “whites.” God changed?? The Bible says that God does not change. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” Hebrews 13:8.

Brougham Young said NEVER! (1978 is sooner than never)

“Brigham Young – The curse will remain on blacks so that they can never hold the Mormon priesthood until all other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood. — Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 291 (October 9, 1859) ”
Brigham Young said:
“A blessing to have Negro servants:

It is a great blessing to the seed of Adam to have the seed of Cain [the negro race] for servants. – Brigham Young Addresses, MS d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, LDS Church Historical Dept., as cited in Tanner, The Changing World of Mormonism, p. 132, and in Tanner, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality?, 5th ed., p. 293A.”

“Immediate death for whites who marry blacks – it will always be so!

The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)”

I ask are Jesus and Satan brothers .

J&C Your Salvation depends on what you believe. There is only one
way to be saved. You have to believe in Jesus as your savior. I hope
you are open minded enough to understand that what you believe can be
wrong or it can be true. All I was suggesting, since YOUR salvation
depends on it, is to check out both sides of the question and then and
only then if you decide that Joseph Smith/LDS etc. is the way. Fine.
From the discussion above, not sure how you want to be called but let’s
go with LDS. Just know that you are not Christian, you are LDS. The
“EX-Mormons for Jesus” are Mormons/LDS that have looked at both sides
and determined that Christianity was the true way to Salvation. For the
benefit of other LDS, here is their website:
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/ LDS teaching that No Chritian
believes: The baptism for the dead done in holy temples

Are Jesus and Satan brothers ?

Are Jesus and Satan Brothers

One of the most important things to look at is the Garden of Gethsemene and the Cross. When Christ was suffering, what did he say? “My God, Why hast thou forsaken me?” – Matthew 27:46. Also when He asked God the Father to remove the cup from Him. God can’t forsake himself. They cannot be one being. They are One in Purpose, just as Paul talked about the body of Christ being the church. We are the body of Christ, but are not one person. We are one in purpose. And that purpose is to further the Lord’s work.

It is NOT talking about worldly marriage. It says “in resurrection” there is no marriage. No exceptions that I can see. If we are to be “as the angels of God in heaven” we won’t have husband and wives.

The bible doesn’t say multiply like Speedy Gonzales or rabbits, it merely states to be fruitful and multiply. Let me think, how many wives did Adam have, two, three, four and if so where did he hide them from GOD when they took their walks together?
That is one thing homosexuals cannot do except by indoctrination of those weaker and more susceptible to their perverted lifestyle.

As for me, I can only take nagging from one wife, not a dozen or so. I take a long walk before an argument ensues and usually upon my return there is loving and maybe my favorite dish on the table.

Benjamin Franklin

All Mormons that I know actually call themselves LDS, Latter Day Saints.

But your salvation and judgement will be done regardless. Actually my friend it is you who are closed minded. You cannot see that your man-made religion will not get you into the saving grace of heaven. Jesus’ death on the cross is your only
hope of getting into heaven, because you can’t get into heaven with
your sin. It can only be forgiven by the One who paid the penalty for
it. That’s Jesus! Just as being in a garage doesn’t make you a car, being a LDS does not make you a Christian.

How does anyone vote that comment down? Seriously.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. … HUMMMMM

This whole statment is failure. This is not Doctrine of any sort. thats not scripture anywhere and all you are doing is arguing things you dont know to people who dedicate their lives to knowing and understanding. This makes you look a lil ridiculous.
Its kinda funny how a few of you who want to have nothing to do with the LDS faith are just on this site telling us repeatedly what we believe as mormons, cause I guess we just dont know as members, so we need people like you to tell us.

Maybe if you would take a step back and realize that the whole show was not made for us at all, but for NON MEMBERS to better understand, Yes, the show today was made for you. If you have any questions ask it in the form of a question. We can help clear up any misconceptions or confusion you have.
Just dont waste time spamming arguments about what you think we believe cause it seems a little silly to have people who personally chose to have nothing to do with the faith, yelling out comments and telling actual members of the church what we believe. Lemmie give you a hint. You are wrong and not even close. none of that is sripture. and we dont have a book called doctrine that has pages at all.

There is a video called “Trouble in Zion” made by a Mormon that pretty accurately tells the story of what happened in Missouri. The one thing that I think is in accurate is that the Mormons are all clean cut and the people of Missouri look mean and dirty, otherwise this video is done pretty well. http://troubleinzion.com/

J&C: If you can point out where they are incorrect then please do so. But you must read what they say to determine where they may be wrong. Gee, you might actually learn why LDS are NOT Christians!
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/

Christ said He would send the Comforter and that is the Holy Spirit. He didn’t say He was sending Himself, When He taught us to pray He addressed His Father not Himself..

don’t mean to question here, but i’ve seen way too many, for whatever reason, bogus stories about mean Mormons all over Utah and Idaho who shun outsiders or give them grief. In many instances, we stick to our own because we have common interests and beliefs. It has nothing to do with shunning someone. I can only speak from my experiences outside of the area where Mormons are not the norm, but i’ve never thought about staying away from anyone because they didn’t show any interest in my faith. I don’t have time to think about that.

Show me one man that followed Jesus that had more than one wife in the new testament, all believers had only one wife as was the teachings of Jesus. Seems like the Mormon faith always has one who wants revival of the polygamist ways and even to the point of kidnapping young girls to become members of their clan professing old Mormon ways. I knew a man that had two wives that had no knowledge of each other until they shared the same room in the hospital maternity ward and when the nurse called the last name on the chart, they both answered. Uh, Oh! Have a nice day.

Benjamin Franklin

BrighamYoung claimed that his word was scripture. Isn’t scripture inspired by God? and if so then why did he say that I as a “white” man should be put to death for marring a “black” woman?
“I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 (January 2, 1870)”
“Immediate death for whites who marry blacks – it will always be so!

The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)”

Alice, you won’t see Sharon in Heaven because she will not be there, she will have her own planet to rule as it’s god. That is the Mormon belief. Have a nice day

Benjamin Franklin

no- 1-HE IS NOT- HE IS OBEYING HIS FATHER – ALSO JESUS SAID HE HAD TO LEAVE BEFORE THE HOLY SPIRIT COULD COME TO US ON EARTH–THIS BLESSED
TRINITY –3 PERSONS-IN ONE GOD IS A GREAT MYSTERY-
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You know how people always attack Mormons for not allowing blacks to preach until 1978? Funny how they never mention that Executive Order-44 wasn’t overturned until 1976.

(Editing – sorry it posted weird) I’m trying to say that you are partially correct. Matt 22:30 discusses marriage that has not taken place inside the temple or without the binding/sealing power (or keys) of the priesthood in the temple. You are correct in that those do not continue — they end.

Matthew 16:19 records Jesus Christ telling the Apostle Peter: “And I
will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Christ is giving Peter the keys of the priesthood here — one of which is the power to “seal” (or bind) a marriage for eternity so that it continues after death.

Additional scripture references refer to eternal marriage, but they are in The Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants.

Q. do the mormons belive that Christ had a brother?
A. Nope, Jesus is the only begotten, its kinda all over the scriptures.

Q. Where do mormons go in the afterlife do mormons go the heaven to be with God?
A. Yes Heaven.

Q. Why do mormons babtise the dead?
A. https://www.lds.org/liahona/2009/03/why-do-we-baptize-for-the-dead?lang=eng&query=baptise+dead+scripture

Watch “The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon” here: http://sourceflix.com/the-bible-vs-the-book-of-mormon/

J&C Last Time as it doesn’t seem to be getting through…I am not deciding the Mormonism is not Christian. Please know if you won’t look anywhere else that at least many of the teaching of the LDS are NOT Christian. Thus the LDS church is not a Christian church.

Just like the Church of Scientology (COS) is not a Christian church (as many of their teaching are not Christian) or LDS for that matter. How would you like the “Unification Church (Moonies)” or “The Church of Scientology” to call themselves LDS?

I’m in complete agreement w/ ALL YOU SAID–WHAT YOU HAVE STATED IS IN the BIBLE — no really, this is very well said– thank you –see you in HEAVEN—

Jude, I think you misunderstood my writing. I said that Christ praying to his Father in the Garden of Gethsemane would be impossible if the two were the same personage….I did not say he was praying to himself….I am opposed to the theological idea of the Trinity. I believe there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Crystal

You are correct in that there are no exceptions except for those marriages bound on earth so they are bound in heaven (power given in the keys of the priesthood to Peter in Matt 16:19).

Yes, We are all spiritual children of God. We believe in the pre existence as in we all existed before we were born to mortal bodies on earth. Before we were given bodies God knew there would be sin and that with sin we could not return to His presence so he asked for a plan. Satan wanted us to be given bodies but to not be given free agency. If we could not choose for ourselves there would be no sin and all could return. Christ offered a different plan. Satan’s plan was rejected and he became angry and started a war. He was cast from Heaven and denied the right to gain a mortal body. We believe that 1/3 of the host of Heaven followed him. There is much more to the story this was just brief, but in answer to your question, yes.

Well I responded to ALL of these, but was deleted… I don’t know why, Im only stating facts not being mean. THe church does NOT practice polygamy in their homes, they do in the temple. Men can be sealed and eternaly married to more thn one woman… the church denounces a lot of things.. Dark skin, adam god theory, jesus’ conception method, polygamy, polyandry, blood attonment.. I could go on and on…and don’t get me started on all the masonic rituals… I recognise that the current LDS members don’t practice these things but it doesn’t change the fact that its a building block to the religion, you should know it, and be ready to defend it……

No. Jesus is God’s son and Satan is a fallen angel. The angels are a separate creation by God. Angels are not human and they are not Jesus.

It was over turned because they where going to loose their tax exempt status for not allowing everyone the same privlages… don’t believe me? do your own research.

I know this will probably be taken the wrong way to describe the trinity, but I learned this when I was young and it stuck with me as a simple way to think of it. A egg. It has three parts-the shell, the white stuff, and the yolk. One egg, three parts.

http://www.utlm.org

So many Lies, there are many websites where you can check the facts. I left Mormonisim after 46 years and was a “hi ranking temple goer” , with a long family history from the start of the church. Most mormons don’t ever read the history and are told..” If the prophet has said it, the thinking is done” , it’s more akin to masonry than Christianity. Dont be fooled just because the say the same Christian words, they do mean different things as has been mentioned… go to http://www.utlm.org and read for a couple of weeks… almost no one will and thats why they can get away with claiming the christian sameness. As a chile I was told we are not christians, e are mormons, as a teenager all of a sudden we were now christians, as an adult I saw every church Ward bldg. change the decades old 3 spires on the bldg. to a traditional single spire as most Cristian churches had, so we would look more like a typical
Christian church……Glen is a baby in time in the church and is weak in his knowledge, Love you Glen but you are wrong in many areas relating to the church..the ever changing god of mormonisim continues to make changes as need to stay out of trouble…the Christian God is never changing and is and always was… he didn’t grow up on another planet and do really good and was awarded godhood and many wives to populate his own planet, while his brother satan was bad boy, but still his brother, so he didn’t get a planet.
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Mitt Romney being a Mormon does not matter to me one bit. I am a Baptist, been baptist for over 40 years. I have gone to many different churches in my day. And when it comes down to it we all worship and praise the same God and Savoir. I WILL be voting for Romney come November. The more I hear him talk and watching the RNC I really like him. He has the experience that Obama never had. Why do you think we are no better off than 4 years ago, because Obama has all his czars telling him what to do. And they don’t know anymore about running a country than Obama. How people elected a guy who was NOT qualified for President I will never know. I just hope and pray that this election the “Rose colored glasses” come off and people see the truth.

Its strange where do you all get these amazing facts from that you as very obvious non mormons are telling us mormons we believe in? Ya know you could just ask if you are curious about something… We would answer.

All those facinating facts came from the latest facinating facts consipracy anti momon cult website and are completely so far off what we believe, you are in some sort of dream land.

matt18:1 2cor 13:1

How about this? God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1) Then Google:
Do mormons believe God had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus?

Best Answer – Chosen by Asker

Yes they do. If they
don’t then they are not really mormons. Brigham Young was very adamant
that this was true. Either he was a prophet, or he was not. If not,
then there is no way a mormon can really believe that their ‘church’ is
‘true’.

The inconsistencies in mormonism are endless.

Source(s):

http://www.exmormon.org

http://www.utlm.org

http://www.hotm.tv

Thre are some serious weirdos on this board… Srsly. I’m perfectly ok with someone like you weird holy rollers believing in the trinity. Good for you. Your Christ and mine are indeed different. But the title Christian you have no right to take from me. To be Christian is to believe in Christ, and practice his teachings. I do that. I’m Mormon. Therefore I’m Christian. Though I will admit because of how irritated i am with a few of your responses I’ll admit I’m not feeling very Christ like. I’d like to slap a few o you in the face with a bible. Better yet a quad. Get over yourselves and off the pupate your embarrassing. Obviously your attacking my church. Not teaching anyone. Non of the lds folks reading this board is going to suddenly change to your fath because you professed over and over how you disagree and say we aren’t Christians. On a news board… Find something more useful with your time. I’m certainly going to.
Have a good night.

LDS don’t know what “the Great I Am” is even though its all over the bible.

My “traditions” are mormon beliefs. I haven’t at all went on any bigoted hate filled rants. I stated facts and because you refuse to look into your own church history, you read them as hate. I realize that current LDS don’t believe a lot of the beliefs the church was built on today.. doesn’t change the fact they were all belifs the prophets taught in times past. Prophets you still believe to be true prophets of God. God sees your heart. I don’t think you’ll be judged on what the prophets have said or preached… just seems like a waste of time to put all your faith in a church and not in Gods word, to me.

I have read the BOM cover to cover (and the pogp and d&c) a few times actually, I tried very hard stay a member, but it seemed once I was set free by truth, the Lord didn’t want me to be set back in bondage. He leads us all in different directions I guess.

Sweetheart, no marriages in Heaven because the is no sexual differences, we will all be the same just as in the image of Christ who will also be neither male nor female. we were only separated to become one sex or the other as human beings and in fact if you read the very beginning of the bible it states that God created man both male and female did he create them and later the female part of Adam was removed with the rib to create Eve. However, Adam and Eve were not GOD’s first human creations, there were others apart from the garden where He created Adam from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils to create a living being. To ascertain GOD’s other creations before Adam and Eve in the Garden, evidence Kane taking a wife in the land of Nod and I don’t think that meant he nodded off and married a dream. The human egg has both male and female attributes that generally depends on the stronger of the two sexes determining which sex will be birthed. So, in the beginning of our lives we are in possession of both sexes. In some instances, neither of the two is stronger than the other producing a being having both sexes. hermaphrodite or as originally was termed, bi-sexual that is now used to describe a person whose sexual orientation is with either male or female partner, in essence one who has no love for any person including themselves, but only lust for the flesh. Time to knock off, have a good day or night.

Benjamin Franklin

Ruth, Jesus was GOD in Human form come to earth to die for our sins

Benjamin Franklin

Not the same GOD NOR JESUS NOR ANYTHING ELSE Christian. Please dont fall for the same old lie. Vote for Romney if you think he’ll do a good job,BUT NOT because you think he worships the same God/ Christ as you. As I said below same words totally different meaning. please see http://www.utlm.org
Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds

ok.. Who write the news letter? It is NOT mormonism. It’s LDS. Or your a Mormon. I can always tell people are not LDS when they toss out the “ism”.

Define Christian.
mormon christian is not classic christian.
As a former Hi Council Member,as well as High Priest Group Leader, 70′s quorum leader, Elders quorom president and much more. I bear you testimony that the God and Jesus of mormonisim is absolutly not the same as the Christian God and Jesus by definition. Please read your mormon history and do as Brigham Young challenged the world… Compare us (mormons) to the Bible and see where we stand!
If you do and it will takes many month or years to do, you will see they stand no where near the bible except in using the same words.
Best wishes!

Yes! Thank you. With all this discussion on the Trinity, it sounds like people are trying to understand God with a human brain. As much as we should try to learn from the Bible and live as it teaches, we must also understand that we as humans can not fully know God’s ways. Our brains have boundaries. God is bigger than us in so many wonderful ways. Don’t put Him in a box. Be it the concept of the Trinity as one or or a camel through the eye of a needle, God makes the impossible possible and who am I to limit Him with human logic?

He didn’t mention anything about Mormon’s racist beliefs about African Americans. Well i have read about It and it doesn’t sound like any church I would want to be a part of.

Boy, are you confused, as is stated in GOD’s word, He came to earth in human form to die for the sins of man and in so doing as He oft times refers to Himself as the son of man as he was indeed raised in this form by man, Joseph, Mary’s husband. As for his walking in the garden with Adam, He was and is GOD who can take on any form He chooses including being the entire universe. We, our inner selves, the soul of man not the outer shell is made in the image of GOD. As for all being the children of GOD, not so, only those who come to Him through Jesus Christ are His children, others are denizens of Satan who is anxiously waiting for their demise so he may take possession of them as he is not allowed to take their lives. There is documentation of a child dying and seeing both Christ and GOD saying that GOD is so big he can hold the world in His hand, but in His human form as Christ looked like a man with a ruddy complexion. Now, as a Mormon, you will not get to enjoy the glorious wonders of Heaven as you Mormons believe that you will become gods with your own planet to rule unless maybe that wasn’t explained to you. Also, try to find out what happened to the gold plates Joe Smith received from the Angel, I would really like to know if he might have taken them to the grave or how he buried them or what ever. One more thing, read Rev. 22: 18-19 this applies to BOM, Watch tower, Koran and any other publication that adds to or takes from GOD’s word. I would advise you to be leery of any religion that disavows the word of GOD. Have a nice day.

Benjamin Franklin

Tony, you almost have it, The Holy Ghost or spirit was sent by Christ to us upon his departure from earth as our comforter. Our guide and provider of what we need to walk daily with Christ. Presently I believe that since His work on earth as he said on the cross, “It is finished” He is with the Father sitting on the right side of the throne protecting and answering prayers of the faithful. The Holy Ghost or spirit is here among us doing the work He was sent here to do such as baptizing by fire. (read acts 2: 2-4 ) and giving of the gifts from GOD. Have a blessed day my friend.

Benjamin Franklin

Natalee, you know your Mormon history well. These are things that are no longer believed within the mainstream Mormon faith (although I don’t think that they were ever really mainstream as much as a spiritual theories of a church leader or two shared among a handful of aquantences). Looking back on the history of all organized religion, there are going to be things that will cause contention among believers and doubters. Ultimately, the principals of the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the same; that we turn to Christ for salvation, that we love and serve our fellow men, and that worship the one true and living God. Why must we then get into sparring matches with Mormons about the history of our church when the points made were never really mainstream, but more often then not were journal entries of one of our leaders? If our religion helps to bring us closer to God, and serve our fellow men, then is it really important that we know the opinion of one man regarding the conception of Mary or the “Adam-God theory”. Let use focus on our commonalities, and not dwell upon the beliefs of the few in the past that hold no value today. Let us be brothers and sisters in Christ, serving side by side.

The Word was not the Spirit, the Spirit testifies that what the Word teaches is true, the Word teaches God’s plan for us. They are one, not one in being, but one in their goal of having all God’s children return to him. They are a team (to use a sports analogy). They are one in purpose, not in body.

We don’t believe we will someday rule our own planet. We believe that we will have our own personal universe.

Yes, Jesus is our eldest brother. Lucifer was also one of our elder brothers, his name (lucifer) translated literally means -son of the morning-. Angel, literally translated, means messenger of God. Lucifer, though, is a fallen angel. He still retains the distinction of “angel” because, even though fallen, his existence testifies of God’s existence. Therefore, though fallen, he is a messenger of God’s existence.

Refreshing comment Brent. I thank you. God bless. its a fantastic note to end my night on.

I believe it MAY be explained like the three phases of water: ice liquid, and steam. God can be thought of as the “same” in all phases, certainly the Holy Spirit like the steam we can’t see but whose effects we can feel.

With Moses and the tribes of Israel, the Levites were the only ones that God allowed to hold the priesthood. And after Christ died, Peter was commanded to only preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Jews and not any other peoples until later he was commanded to go to the Corinthians. God withholds certain blessings and responsibilities from different people throughout the bible. I have to take things like that on faith and pray to know it is God’s will and not mans’.

Your life is so much better the past 5 years, since you picked the easier path, you know, the one too hell.

ok, i am no theologist but I am a faithful Mormon. We believe that we are the spirit children of God the Father. We are his children. Just like I want my children to learn and grow, be good in school, go to college, get married, learn the worth of hard work and service to others, and to love their fellow men,,,so does God want us to live a life and learn and grow. God is perfect and he already has a perfected body that looks like ours of flesh and blood. We were first his spirit children and in order to start our time on earth, to learn and grow, sin and repent, and intimately become better,,,we needed to come to earth and first get our own bodies. Hence birth. So we go through trials and sicknesses and hopefully we can become stronger through them, find our faith, and earn getting to live back with God again. So just like I want my children to grow and live a life like me and hopefully become good people like I’m trying to be, its somewhat mirrored with God wanting the absolute best for us and he has the best. we get baptized, get married in the temple, I die and I can still be sealed to my husband as a married couple. We continue to grow and progress in the afterlife. our bodies are resurrected and are perfected like God’s (Jesus’s body is perfect except he kept his scars to show people). Eternal life with God means I have all the time in the world to learn all the endless things God knows about how to create, or just anything. So God then allows us to inherit the type of life he had. We’ll have our own spirit Children and make our own earth and start the process over. It freaks people out because its different then anything anyone else believes so most mormons dont want to throw it all out there to a friend and maybe lose a friendship with weirdness. If people dont choose to be baptized while living on earth then thats why we do all of our temple work for the dead so faithfully. Everyone has the right to inherit all that God has offered. Sometimes people just choose to accept it in the next life. Jesus Christ came to earth to pay for our sins in the Garden, His sacrifice is what allows us to repent of our sins and still be eligible for perfection some day. since he paid for those sins he is the only one that can be our judge and allow for mercy with the father. God gave commandments and says don’t do these things, we slip up and do them and want to repent but if God just lets it slip by then it is no longer a COMMANDMENT. So he set up a plan for Jesus (a separate person) to allow for mercy, someone who has already paid the price for the sin. This way God’s law that was broken was still paid for and we are able to have mercy. Its a true testament that we DO have a LOVING Heavenly Father because he knew we were going to sin and wanted to make sure we still had a way to come back to him after our earth life. yes the fact that we can become like God the Father bodes the question that was God once like us? Then where is his God the Father? You wanted this straight up from a Mormon. Those questions are deep stuff that is there for us to consider but it is always pressed that our Father in heaven is God the Father and our only God. Jesus is Jesus Christ the Savior of all Man-kind. The End. Be shocked or awed or disgusted. I believe these things to be true and it makes sense to me why we are here.

the bible commands prophets in the bible to take second wives. read up on how the twelve tribes of israel came to be

Modern Revelation clears a lot of stuff up

you’re right, in some special approved cases men can be sealed to 2 women, when the first wife died and he wants to remarry.

she said that it can be practiced in temple marriage. If a man’s wife dies and he remarries, he can ask the church to allow him to be sealed to both women.

I am a Bible-believer, member of Christ’s world-wide Church
universal, not a Mormon, nor, incidentally neither a Jehovah’s Witness,
Christian Scientist, 7th-day Adventist, Methodist, Catholic,
Baptist, Episcopalian, et al. I have been a Quaker, until I forsook denominational identity in favour of the
identity of being “gathered together in
one, even in him” (Eph. 1:10-12.) Nevertheless,
I seek out and become an active part of Bible-believing, Holy Spirit-led congregations
wherever I have lived in a much-travelled life, regardless of denomination.

For three years, I lived with and cared for a
cancer-stricken relative who had embraced the Mormon faith, during which time,
I accompanied him often to his worship services, the initial one being on the
Day of Pentacost when Christendom worldwide celebrates the coming of the Holy
Spirit as revealed in Acts 2. I noted that there was no mention whatever of the
Holy Spirit in this service, but rather a celebration of the institution of the
“Aaronic” or junior-level “priesthood” instituted and ordained by Joseph Smith,
whose name and person were also frequently and exclusively mentioned and
celebrated during this service, as part of the “witness” or confession of creed
by adherents.

In my Christian journey, of course I have become aware of
and, to a limited extent, examined the nature of cults, although I accept fully
the advice given to Bible-study groups not to become “bogged down” in
discussion of cults. The urgent question remains: How does one identify a
cult? At risk of over-simplifyng, I have
found the following guidelines to be reliable. The ear-marks of a cult are:

1.
An Alternative Scripture,

2.
An Alternative
Gospel, and

3.
A major
Cult Figure who immediately comes to the forefront in answer to the further
question “Who gets the glory?.”

Regarding Joseph Smith, it is my understanding that, as a
boy, he had a vision in the out-of-doors in which he believed himself to have
been visited by two persons: God the Father and Jesus, who
informed him that the true gospel had been lost on earth and that he was chosen
to be their restorer on earth of that true gospel. An angel (Moroni?) then
purportedly guided him to the discovery, in New York, of allegedly long-lost
golden plates, which he then supernaturally enabled him alone to translate and transmit
to his followers.

From Wickipedia:

Smith said he found the
plates on September 22, 1823 at a hill near
his home in Manchester, New York after an angel directed him to a buried stone box. Smith said
the angel at first prevented him from taking the plates, but instructed him to
return to the same location in a year. In September, 1827, on his fourth annual
attempt to retrieve the plates, Smith returned home with a heavy object wrapped
in a frock, which he then put in a box. Though he allowed others to heft the
box, he said that the angel had forbidden him to show the plates to anyone
until they had been translated from their original “reformed Egyptian” language. Smith dictated a translation
using a seer stone in
the bottom of a hat, which he placed over his face to view the words written
within the stone. Smith published the translation in 1830 as the Book of Mormon. Smith eventually obtained testimonies
from eleven men, known as the Book
of Mormon witnesses, who said they had
seen the plates. After the
translation was complete, Smith said he returned the plates to their angelic guardian. Therefore, if the plates existed, they cannot
now be examined.

Moses was commanded to place three things in the Ark and
then to place it in the Most Holy Place
in the Temple. They were: the Tablets of Stone bearing the Ten Commandments,
Aaron’s rod that budded and a portion of the heavenly food which they named ”Manna”.
For years, if not centuries, until the destruction of the Temple, the Ark was
physically present among the children of Israel.

During my three years’ acquaintance with Mormons (or LDS), I
more than once heard this statement articulated by them:

“What man is, God once was. What God is, man may (will) become.”

This creed, along with the book of Mormon, articulates an alternative
scripture and “another gospel” – , which was first articulated by “brother”
Lucifer. (Isa.14:12-14) “…. I will be like the Most High”, – equal in distinction to God rather than in union with God, as God ordains for us.
Even the incarnate Jesus ”who though being in the form of God, did not consider this equality a thing to be
grasped.” (Phil 2:5-11)

Rev. 22:18-20 Solemn words indeed!

I agree with what has been said by others about Mormons and
Mormon families being exemplary in their character and behavior, and especially
in their patriotism and public service. I listen to Glenn Beck daily and thank
God for his courage and witness to the truth of our current political and
social threats, and for his heroic support for Israel. As he loves the Truth, I pray confidently for his ultimate
enlightenment, as I do for all Mormons. I will vote for Mitt Romney and
consider him both qualified and worthy of the trust to uphold our Constitution
and American ideals and values, and our commitment to the revealed will of God
for the state of Israel, which determines the blessing or curse that will
result for our own nation. (Gen. 12:3; Matt 25:32-46) I am not in the slightest
troubled or concerned about the direction his faith may lead the country, above
all, when considering our current
alternative.

That being said, I must regard Mormonism and all the cults
to be a test, on God’s part, like to
Adam’s and Eve’s, and later Jesus’ own temptation by Satan in the wilderness, of his Church’s firm grasp
of his true gospel as revealed to us by
his Holy Spirit in his Holy Scriptures – His Word to us – without which we are
open and vulnerable to deception. “Though He were a son, yet learned He
obedience through the things which He suffered.” Heb 5:8

(John 1:18; 1 John 4:12) “No man has seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared
Him.”

See also Hebrews 1:1-3

I believe that the boy, Joseph Smith, through ignorance of
the full Bible, was deceived in his interpretation of his
vision, albeit likely visited by a supernatural being (or beings) – an “angel
of light” who preached “another gospel” to him. (2 Cor. 1:14; Galatians 1:6-8) Without
firm grasp of scripture, he was unable or unwilling to “test the spirits”. (1
John 4:1)

St. Paul and the writer of Hebrews further warn us of the
appropriate and ordained role and office of angels in ministering the gospel;
warning against worship (worth-ship) offered to them (Col. 2:8-9, 18)

Note in this regard that atop the Temple in Salt Lake City–
at its pinnacle – is found a golden
statue of the “Angel Moroni”. This is
preeminence.

The true gospel has never been and will never be “ lost on
earth”.

Psalm 12:6-7 “The words of the Lord are pure words, as
silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them,
O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

Psalm 119:160; 1 Peter 1:24-25

Concerning “marriage for eternity” see Mark 12:24-25

It was my experience in attending Mormon services, that
while Jesus Christ’s name is uttered and is acknowledged in a way similar to
that found in Islam, albeit as only a Son and as a created being as is man, not as The
Eternal Son Incarnate, who himself, with the Father created all
things.(John 1, Col 1:16-19)), – and although they style themselves as “The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”,
it is decidedly Joseph Smith who “gets the glory” while the uniqueness and
glory given to Jesus in Scripture and by the Holy Spirit, both as the only
Son (begotten, not made,) and as the Eternal Word,…. is absent.

Although this comment is long, (for which I beg pardon), it
is but a fraction of what could be written on this subject.

dressing modestly is a very good and holy thing to do. having special underwear is not a lot different from my Catholic practice of wearing a scapular.

I think they whould bring polygamy back. It is not unheard of on this planet as much as gays pretending to be married.

Oh my gosh. What does it matter? This world is filled with all kinds of good people who have different beliefs. Who cares? Live a good God-fearing life. Respect others and their beliefs. Live your own beliefs and look for the good that other faiths produce. Everyone doesn’t need to agree on doctrine. LDS people live good lives. So what if they don’t share your same belief in the trinity. They live respectable Christian lives. Getting caught up in all this back and forth does no good for either side.

The BIGGEST issue with the “Mormon (LDS) religion is that
there core belief is exactly what got Adam and Eve removed from the Garden of
Eden, and that is “we will be like God” (Gen 3:5). Mormons believe that if they
are good enough that they will be rewarded by good works with their own
godliness able to create their own universe, world, civilization. They will
take their wife from this earth and populate their “new world”. MORMONS WILL
NOT BE GODS! There is only ONE GOD forever and ever.

You are correct. I have relatives that are Mormon. They do not believe in the Trinity and this is what makes a Christian a Christian. They are changing what it has meant to be Christian for 2000 years. I recently met a hispanic lady who was lead to believe that the Mormon church was a branch of the Catholic Church here in American. She broke down and cried that she had been so mislead.

Did you know that they believe that all Mormon men (when they die) who are in good standing with the church will go to a planet called (Kalub) and Josesh Smith will let them in and decide whether they are worthy to become a “god” like him so they can have their own planet one day to have as many sex slaves as they want to populate their own planet? I know, I am a former Mormon myself.

M W, is that what the Mormon church teaches about marriage?

They also believe that their prophet (leader) whomever holds the office is the equivalent to (Jesus Christ) in their authority and what they say in their publications is equal to the Bible (word of God).One of their former prophets (???) wrote an article that declared that God Jehovah descended from heaven to personally impregnate Mary physically by having sex with her (the mother of Jesus). Their emphasis is very carnal sexually like the Muslims.

Question: Was Jesus talking to himself on the cross when he said: Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do?

In Jesus dieing breath he said “it is finished” end of story, there is no need to add to take away from what is written in the Bible. All that we could ever need to know about God’s plans for us (salvation, eternity, prophecies) are all written therein therefore making future religious books like, the book of Mormon, doctrines and covenants completely unnecessary (falsified) and contradictory to “the Bible”.

Mormons do believe that they are based upon the fact all God’s creation are brothers and sisters. But Satan was an angel (fallen) not human and therefore not in the category of you or I or Adam and Eve.Satan is a “wanna be god” like Mormon men. They also expect to be a god some day.Women do not qualify to become a god like the men according to Mormon doctrine.

Angels are not human, never were and never will be. Satn was an angel (fallen) and is in way kindred to any human species. Mormon doctrine is flawed in retrospect to what the Bible teaches.

Satan was a fallen angel is in no way related to the human species whatsoever. Mormon doctrine is so controversial to the Bible in hundreds of ways.

Amen James, that is the truth according to God’s authorized word “the Bible”.

Thank you so much Natalee for the truth spoken here, Glenn I hope that you are reading this, “I love you like as brother and I do really appreciate you” do not want you be deceived any longer.

It was written by one of your former prophets (wish I could remember which one) and published by one of the Mormon monthly magazines. I as a former Mormon read it many years ago and was appalled by it, and that among many other truths I discovered about Mormonism caused me to resign from the church and now I am “anathema” damned to hell by your church authority but accepted by the Lord of Lords and King of Kings as His righteousness.

No they are not according to the Bible, but Mormons believe their own publications over the Bible.

Oh how I do love the truth, thank you so much Jason and Carmen I knew I had read it before from one of their former prophets. You know one thing that I learned while being a “Mormon” myself is how most Mormons do not have a clue as to what they really do teach in their own church much like my own Christian faith. Watch the documentary my friends “the God makers” check out cult books and read about Mormonism and be informed and be blessed.

Glen my friend and other Mormons who are reading this please find out more about what us who are not Mormons are saying here. We (I) do not say what I say to cause hurt,or discourse but because I am a lover of the truth and I believe that most of you are also and just want you to know the truth. Seek and ye shall find, and be blessed.

Some have obviously misspoken regarding Mormon doctrine as you have said but many like myself have not, please focus on the facts and truths spoken by those of who have listed it and not on the errors of those who did not. I am a former Mormon (4 years) and did not really learn that I was going to be god one day if Joseph Smith deemed me worthy to enter (Kalub) where he resides to make me a god as a white male in good standing with the church. In those days blacks did not qualify for the priest hood. Please be informed to the truth.

It is true in the doctrines and covenants that it stated that in order for a male Mormon to qualify to become a god , he must have more than one wife. There is but one true living breathing God my friends and we humans or angels will never qualify to become a god. Isn’t that what the serpent tempted with in the garden of eve. His tactics really have not changed.

“the lie nearest the truth is the most dangerous”

It is very easy to learn of Mormon belief’s online,they are not the same as Christians.
We live in dangerous times.
Don and Sandy E.

Seems the ONLY time Mormonism is brought up is when it comes to possibly electing a Republican who is a Mormon. Never mind that there are MANY Mormons in the House and Senate who are making policy and passing laws. Chief among them is DEMOCRAT Harry Reid.

As far as “I” am concerned, Mitt being a Mormon is a non-issue. He hasn’t lopped anyone’s head off! He has been a good man who does for others AND most importantly he is a great businessman.

Well well I don´t think this is what Mr. Beck had in mind. Let me chime in my two cents to continue with the myth busting…

There´ve been lots of comments intent on shock value, that is I tell you something you´re not used to hearing, and it´s so shocking that it must be wrong! Like Colombus saying the world is round.. “it´s not round, it´s flat!” Several of these enlightened anti-mormons or ex-mormons have mentioned true things about our church, but things that seem so “extreme” (to me they seem normal and logical) that they sound ridiculous.

That Jesus is God´s literal son, and that that makes Mary his literal mother, is mormon doctrine. That sounds logical to me. To give reverence where it´s due, I won´t dive much further into that. Our leaders don´t either, although yes they have defended the doctrine at times. The main difference between Mormon doctrine and Christian doctrine is that we believe that God is all-knowing, meaning he knows how to do all things and that is why he is all powerful, but not because he is a magician with his magic wand. You say him being the literal father of Jesus is blasphemous… I say that´s the way baby´s are made. My parents taught me that when I was 8.

“What the prophet says is equal to the word of God. Ridiculous!” Were this statement true, the Bible wouldn´t exist, since not one line of it was written by the Lord himself. Inspired teachings are doctrine, canonical, scripture. For Christians, the Bible. For Mormons, just a bit more.

“They believe in more than the Lord´s “authorized” word, the Bible!” Ok, let´s suppose that all Christian beliefs are based on the Bible. In that case, the idea that the Bible is the ONLY word of God would have to come from the Bible itself. The last chapter of Revelation which says not to add to “this book” does not apply to the entire Bible, but rather the book of Revelation, and that´s further supported by the fact that several Biblical books were written after Revelation, including the three epistles of John. If the Bible never declares itself to be the only word of God, why do Christians who claim that all of their beliefs come from it do so?

“They believe that Adam is God!” As explained by later LDS prophets, Adam can be considered “a god”, in the same sense that we are all Gods the way Jesus put it in the New Testament, referring to our potential to become like the father is. “But Brigham Young says he is the only God with whom we have to do!” Well, we are all literal descendents of Adam. So yes, in that sense he is the only God with whom we have to do.

“Satan is a fallen angel and angels are not God´s children!” That´s not taught in the bible. You might as well say that they have wings; not taught in the Bible either. Mormons believe that angels are God´s children, and if Satan was one of those angels, then yes, he is God´s child and if also God´s child, Jesus´ brother. “That´s ridiculous!” Well, that´s our doctrine due to not only Biblical versus, but other scriptures which we hold to be canonical. Your beleif that they are NOT God´s children is your leader´s interpretation of the Bible, but seeing as you also believe that men are no longer inspired, and thus there are no more prophets to make canonical declarations, that interpretation of what an angel is is not canonical either, but rather just a personal interpretation by your leaders.

This list could go on and on. Mr. Beck tried to explain a few, but to the common Christian Mormons have so much “controversial” doctrine that we could never end this debate. I simply say that if you keep an open mind that just maybe the earth is round after all, shock value will not scare you away from something that is potentially true.

To wrap things up, Mormons and non-Mormons alike would do well to remember Joseph Smith´s teachings about the calling of a prophet; that a prophet is a prophet only when he is functioning as one. If I have the opportunity to chit chat with him, or even read one of his books, that is still only that good man´s opinion. If that man exercises his god-given duty to declare the official doctrine of the church, he will do so from the pulpit in a general church meeting or make it known in what is known as an official declaration. While these books that they write are enlightening and contain many truths that open the mind, the actual official doctrine of the church is little and is more basic. So one should be careful about citing so-and-so to prove that the Mormons believe such-and-such doctrine, even if that so-and-so was a prophet, unless the statement was made in the ways I explained.

You seem to overlook the end of Matthew 28, the great commission. Peter was commanded to preach the Gospel to all who would receive it. Peter wrongly thought that it was just for the Jews(not God commanded it was only for the Jews). God showed him a vision of what was clean and to say that nothing that He has created is unclean so that Peter would understand that the gospel was for both Jew and Gentile(non Jew). See all of Acts CH 10. Here is 1 verse.

“Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.” (Acts 10:34, 35 NIV)

“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”" (Matthew 28:18-20 NIV)

BRAVO!

ITA with you. There was a time when Protestants were thought to be heretics and they were tortured and killed. Jews are STILL being murdered by Muslims. It doesn’t matter to “me” how a man or a woman worship God – whether they do it on their knees, lying prone, sitting or standing. It is HOW they live their lives. Mitt Romney has been a good man – has done for many people. And to see such bigotry in this day and age is absolutely disgusting.

Well done, thank you. Hopefully mormons will wake up from the deception. This “church” is controlling people and using money to build an empire that benefits their monarchy. If you’re a mormon, please understand, we want you to know the truth because Jesus loves you as he did us in the worst of our sins. You have good hearts and need to seek the truth. We’re saved by grace, you need to know that. Works are a product of the amazing grace that we receive that causes us to desire to please our Lord who loved us enough to pay the price for all the sin of the world. Please seek a good Bible believing church. A good church that is completely transparent. No secrets, no hierarchy.

Oh that’s a much better promise than even 70 virgins! That should entice a few more patrons nicely. Luke 17:1

If by the Holy Trinity, you mean God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost, you are wrong, we do believe in the Holy Trinity, and they are very important to us.

♠Jake, I am sorry but you are wrong. The Bible was not all of the books written about the times of Christ. They are only the books chosen by Constantine and his group of men that wrote the Bible. There are many books that have been found since that time and if you traslate Bible, it means “one of many” We can keep adding to the Bible or write more books, but they all have the same message.

on line you an find all kinds of lies concerning everything under the sun. The best place to find out about what Mormon’s teach or about what any religion teaches is to go and visit a church and see what they teach. period. end of story.

thx Natalee, we find when studying the teachings of the LDS that Joe was very consistent in his attempts to put “flesh” on every aspect of Bible prophecy. Including God. Compare Joe’s description of God to Isaiah’s. Jesus himself, even in da BoM (3 Nephi 15), testifies to Isaiah’s gift. Yet Papa Joe’s experience is completely different. He saw God face to face, yet the Bible says clearly: “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

Many people have a difficult time recognizing that attachment to the flesh is a symptom of separation from God. Preferring a theology that keeps them attached to the flesh both through legalism, and tangible descriptions of eternal lifestyle, is their choice, but originates in the flesh. Alcorn does the same thing at times in his books. I remember vividly him talking about “Doritos in heaven” this is an appeal to the flesh, and while popular, it is absurd and deceptive. No matter who does it.

What holy trinity do you believe in if not God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost?
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We believe in God, and in His Son Jesus Christ (our Savior) and in The Holy Ghost. We believe that they are three separate beings. Jesus is literally the son of God “The Father”. I don’t understand why that’s so hard the believe that just makes sense
. When Jesus prayed in the garden before his crucifixion…who was He praying to…himself? When he was baptized, God the Father spoke and the Holy Ghost came in the form of a dove. That sounds like three separate beings to me. On the cross Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” and “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit” Nowhere in the Bible does it say God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are actually the same person or being. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus is God in the flesh. It does say God the Father and I (Jesus) are “one” meaning one in purpose, thoughts and plan for us, the children of God.

As Brigham Young once said ” I don’t care how you bring em just Bring em young.”

“well spoken” is NOT the same as educated. In fact, Moses was not “well spoken” either … Your priorities are what separate you from God. Your flesh has no place in Heaven, and Heaven has no use of flesh beyond this life. No Doritos either, but I bet the devil himself will promise you Doritos, or virgins, or a universe, or spirit babies or whatever else he thinks will entice you to follow him instead of Jesus.

The Mormons believe they will attain godhood and get a planet all their own. Anyone who believes in the book of Mormon is an idiot. Any Mormon who does not believe in the book of Mormon is a fraud and is a Mormon for other devious reasons. Why would anyone vote for a corporate raider like Romney anyway. Romney walks like he’s got a wad of bills stuck up his anus..

Spoken like a true heathen, James Tomlin. Obviousl never bothered to ask the Mormon church what they believe, but instead probably asked some baptist preacher, just like going to Apple for a Microsoft product.

We believe in the same Jesus Christ, we just don’t see Him quite the way you do. We don’t have anything that contradicts the Bible, it just contradicts your interpretation of the Bible.
We must repent of our sins. In 1 John, it says we are all sinners, and that if we want God to forgive our sins, we must repent of them. And we can’t repent of sins we have not yet committed. We are supposed to be trying to rid ourselves of sin. Weis like a blank check to keep on sinning. can’t do it, not really, that’s why we have God’s grace. But, if we believe that all our future sins are forgiven, that is like giving someone with a large blank check.

Wow, are you ever mislead. The book of Revelations was wrtitten way before most of the other books in the New Testament. So how can you believe they do not add to or take away from?

Leah your speaking YOUR truth. There are over 300 Christian churches, all teaching something different and all claiming to have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Make sure that you are living what you believe and let the rest of us do the same. In Christian Love Joan

I do not see my first statement posted and yet got a reply from Rachel
We were in the middle of a lrg. ward in Phoenix then Sedona had many Mormons friends
for over 10 years.They called me their BAC friend[born again christian]
I cared for these I came to know.
I say with all compassion “the lie nearest the truth is the most dangerous”
many many in this belief have no idea what their doctrines are and going to one of
their meetings will never get the truth.
and by the way they wanted my husband so bad they said he would be a Bishop
and wanted my son to go on mission with their sons to help them.
I am not the one to say anything to when it comes to this faith.
I lived it and know it.

Rachelle the story with mormons never ends.

You know, I don’t think a lot of what God does makes sense in our minds. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our Thoughts……we only see part of His story and trust Him for the rest. This disagreement between Christians and Mormons will continue until Jesus comes back to get us and we will know the truth. There are other things about what the Mormons teach that is totally out of line with the Holy Scriptures…not just the Trinity. We will all be with Him in heaven if we believe in Jesus our Lord And Savior who died and rose again for yours and my sins. We. Do not get our own planet to rule over……and our husbands do not call us up to heaven if he chooses to do so. What happens if husband number one dies and there is a husband number two? Who then has the authority over the wife whether she gets called to heaven or not. I’m sure I’m not writing this properly but you get the idea……
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I love how you put that….Praise God!!

I’ve believed for a long time that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint based in Utah was getting a bad rap. There are a lot of sects that have a certain set of beliefs that cause the public to think of them as “cults” because they don’t bother to look at the tenants of the faith and listen to rumors. I read “The Texas Republic and the Mormon Kingdom of God” by Michael Scott Van Wagenen this summer and even saw God’s hand in leading these people in a lot of ways. Did not know that Joseph Smith ran for President. Also, Texas came close to being what Utah is today. Keep an open mind about the Mormons folks. Sam Houston wanted the Mormons to come to Texas from Nauvoo, ILL. Smith died and that ended that.

Why will no one answer your question?

Hmm, deon, according to American History books, black men were ordained in the priesthood in Joseph Smith’s time. Later it was stopped for a time and then resumed again. Perhaps you should question God why He does what He does. So how much does your preacher get paid to keep you in your church? Because Mormon leaders don’t get paid.

Go ahead! Finish it! ….”but my Father is greater than I”….Hmmmm. Perhaps he is telling us we are all “AT ONE” with our father with Atonement. If there was only One in the Trinity, just who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Natalee, Joseph was a well spoken man yes, but he was a poor less educated farm boy when he translated the Book of Mormon. Please don’t mixup your facts.

One in PURPOSE is a lot different than the same being.

Unfortunately, like all prophets, they are also only imperfect men subject to the same weaknesses and ignorance as any other, except Jesus of course. So yes Brigham was affected by some of the common beliefs of his day to stumble on and overcome. The fact is that blacks were given the priesthood in the Mormon church in those days.

Why do you lie so?

Glenn, I think you did a disservice to the LDS and to your listeners. You touched, and I mean touched on LDS with select questions, and the goofy issues, that have little meaning, and passed on the true beliefs of the LDS. I will be voting for Rommy regardless, as I have no other choice to oppose the DEM’s and Obama. I do fear that Rommy will not follow through with doing what is necessary to get this country back on track. If he does not, I feel that a third party should be formed, and run the Repub’s out of business just like the Whig party in the early 1800′s.
I hope God is listening to help this nation, and that Satan is not whispering in Rommy’s ear and Rommy can avoid Satan’s advice, as Obama has fallen hook, line, and sinker, in with Satan, sowing confusion, fueling war, and envy among the people of the United States.

Glenn, many thanks for this on Mormons. And thanks for the humor too. Most Mormons are really good people trying to do good for others. They don’t kill you if you are not one of them, like one Middle Eastern religion that the American president endorses as his faith. It would be nice to see Mitt Romney as the American president with these good Mormon faith qualities. Especially after the horrendously awful last four years.

Thank you Glen for the wonderful explanations about the Mormon Faith. When the missionaries brought the gospel into my life, the questions they asked me that I will never forget some 35 years ago was “Do you believe that God loves us? I said yes. Do you believe that he sent prophets such as Adam, Moses, Noah etc?? I said yes well if God loves his people why would he not send us prophets today? Humm I thought, this is so true. I love the bible, it is the word of God. The Book of Mormon is in fact another testament of Jesus Christ. It is not a book that will lead anyone astray if you will just read it and then just kneel down and ASK our Father in Heaven if it is true. You will know if it is the word of God or not. I testify this to you. Trudy Robinson

God’s Word says that this man is a false prophet for presuming to speak God’s Word while really giving his own words. Scripture is God’s Word. 

“I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 

“But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”" Deuteronomy 18:20.  

I would like to see a real interview with hard questions. Lynn says, “Don’t we all work towards eternal life in Heaven?” No, it is a free gift, by grace, through Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

Your ‘hard questions’ sound to me like nit-picking the differences between Mormonism and traditional Christianity. That nit-picking can be done between any Christian sect or denomination, because they all have small differences.

Those ‘hard questions’ you refer to are usually pursued when someone is trying to stir up members of groups to divide them.

If you are a true follower of Christ, try to focus on what your Christian sect has in common with Mormonism, and try highlighting that.

“Romney is the opposite of conservative, with a plan that is fiscally reckless and a foreign policy that is unnecessarily militant. Obama has done about the best that could have been done, considering the united GOP opposition in Congress. My questions about Obamacare and my disappointment that we are not already out of Afghanistan are not enough to make me embrace a candidacy that even George W. Bush would have been repelled by–and, having had time to reflect on his own record, perhaps is.”

~~Wick Allison,
former publisher of The National Review and current publisher of The American Conservative,
who says he’s likely to vote for Obama

THAT is the reason to vote against Romney, not his faith.

When he said, “It is finishd” he was referring to the atonement, not the work.

The level of corruption within the Democrat party is appalling. Taxpayer money used to payoff union biggies and billionaire buddies while the little guy is left hurting is disgraceful. Multi-millionaires and Billionaires like Biden (and all of Joe’s kids are multi-millionaires because of his wheeling and dealing), Clinton, Kerry, Obama etc. gin up the class warfare while feathering their own nests. This administration talks one way in public and then does another. They are STILL sending OUR money and OUR jobs overseas. They wine and dine off of us and then tell us we are not patriotic enough unless we hand over MORE of our money to THEM. FOUR years of sheer hell because they played politics with our lives – ALL that money WASTED and NOTHING to show for it. No thanks! I’ll take Romney.

I’m not sure what you are talking about, but I’m guessing that you’re referring to the Priesthood being withheld from black males until the 1960s. After that time, any male, regardless of their race, who is doing what is required of them in the Church can now hold the priesthood.

I haven’t met any Mormons who are racist. I know some Mormons who are black and they seem to get along with their congregation just fine. I am sure that their beliefs do not include to teach racism over the pulpit, which *is* what people like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Jesse Jackson do.

Okay I see your distiction… Yes he wasn’t educated in school, but facts show that his parents taught him well, there are documents showing that from the time he was a very young child his parents told him long stories about a new church that would be founded and JS would be the founder, that it would be his destiny. He was not only a “poor farm boy” he was also a tressure seeker, something he and his father did to con people. He clamed to have a “seer stone” which would lead people into the woods to dig for tressures on JS and Sr.’s guidence… THey where both prosacuted for this. So there are documents backing it up.
When I was LDS i was always taught how uneducated JS was and how he couldn’t read or write so it was nothing short of a complete miracle that he could write the entire BOM.
Much Later I found out that JS didn’t write the BOM, he put his “seer stone” inside a top hat and said the “seer stone” would raidiate the translations and Martin Harris would write what JS saw in the hat. According to Martin Harris accounts JS would peer into the hat, putting his face so close that it would shut off all light, then a partchman like paper would appear with the writtings, he would read it out loud to Martin Harris and tell him to write it ,Martin Harris would repeat it back to him and if something was wrong JS told him to correct it. God would not let the paper light disapear until the translation was done correctly, then the new paper would appear. So WHY has there been so many changes to the BOM if God himself guided the translations in this manor?
Also JS was 17 when the “maroni” came to visit him, and 22 when he started translating.
We are able to show threw historical documents and writtings that not only are the stories and names in the BOM related directly to JS and his tall tells he was told as a child but that there are plagerized writtings from the King James Bible, The Wonders of Nature, View of the Hebrews, and an unpublished manuscript written by Solomon Spalding.
SO sure I will say he was “un educated” but its obvious he was well spoken and well read. He also knew how to use his words to convince un suspecting people.

off subject but has anyone ever looked up the first time “Christian” was used in history.
Jesus was not a christian.He was/is a Rabbi and Jewish.
We consider ourselves Israelites or Believers.We have had to unlearn a lot
of stuff taught to us for many years.SOOOO as with the Mormons we also
have had to examine what we believed and were glad to throw out the junk.

You might buy into the idea of smooth things, flowing from the mouth of a trained imitator of a man of God – but I don’t.

God did not create an Evil Devil – Gods ingenious work is done out of love, and everything he does – well, it Is – Perfect.

Lucifer, the pinnacle creation of God, was perfect in all his ways….God created a brilliant creature…not a devil…in fact, there never had been – up to the time of Lucifer’s rebellion – anything known as sin. It flat out didn’t exist and never did.

A change of direction though in his thinking, led Lucifer to become Satan (which means adversary of God) – To make it more accurate that is, what I should have written is- Lucifer created Satan…not God.

Why do we argue over religion? I hate religion. But, I love God. Wait what? Yes, I hate religion but love God. Religion pushes us apart, but God brings us together. We are so lost in religion that we in a way, start to lose track of God. Now to be honest, I do not agree with some of the Mormons beliefs. Another thing is, you can’t just rush into accusing a Mormon that they are wrong either. God does not call us to that, we are called to love. So, before you start accusing a Mormon, (which you shouldn’t do anyways) get to know one. If you think that blatantly speaking against them will change their views, you are wrong. One of my best friends is a Mormon, and we have polite and innocent conversations about what she and I believe in. So, once again, get to know a Mormon and try to understand them. As you do this, they will try to understand you. God.