Polygamy? Magic underwear? People on bikes? Glenn discusses Mormon myths in TheBlaze TV special!

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Tonight on TheBlaze TV, Glenn devoted a full hour to the question: Does Mitt Romney’s Mormonism make him too scary or weird to be elected to President of the United States? He took viewer questions that tackled everything from Mormon history, faith, and traditions to more controversial topics like the church’s history with polygamy and their so-called “magic underwear”.

He started off with one of the big ones: “We often hear the word polygamy and Mormonism coupled together. Why?”

Glenn said that the media would love nothing more than for people to equate Mormons with polygamists like Warren Jeffs, but nothing could be further than the truth. He said polygamy was a perversion of everything they believe in, and practitioners are excommunicated. He compared it to the portrayal of Corleones in the Godfather Trilogy – simply because they call themselves Catholics doesn’t mean for one second they are following practices of the LDS church.

Glenn explained that Mormons in America did once practice polygamy, but it ended 122 years ago. He explained that in the 1800s, there was massive persecution of Mormons wer driven out of New York, Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. In Missouri, the governor even issued Executive Order-44 which ordered that all Mormons be exterminated or driven out of the state, resulting in 10,000 Mormons who lived there either being killed or forced to flee. Executive Order-44 wasn’t overturned until 1976. As a result of this persecution, there weren’t many men left. The desire to repopulate played a role in the decision to practice polygamy, but only about 5% did it before the practice came to an end in 1890.

Polygamists today are not Mormons.

“What about this “magic underwear’ I hear about all the time?”

Glenn said the purpose was to remind you of something very sacred, and its a difficult thing to do.

“It’s a reminder of the promises we make at the Temple,” Glenn said. “The garments represent a promise to be faithful, modest, and temperate.”

Glenn said its hard because it gets hot, especially in Texas, and some women have to get custom clothes because what’s sold in stores doesn’t work well with the garments.

“Quite honestly it sucks sometimes. It makes buying a dress for my wife really hard. But, It makes it more meaningful because it is hard, and more hurtful when friends mock,” Glenn explained.

What secretive stuff happens in the temple?

“There’s nothing that you’ll find in the Temple that you won’t find in the Old or New Testament,” Glenn said

Glenn said that one of the things that happens in the Temple is marriage. He and his wife had a civil marriage, but later had a marriage in the Temple that sealed them together for eternity – no ‘Till death do we part’. They also practice “baptism for the dead”, which has its roots in 1st Corinthians and allows them to give the deceased the ability to make the choice (key word: choice) that those who get baptized get to make in life. It does not mean they are force converting people to Mormonism post-mortem.

Glenn explains the Temple rituals below:

Why do so many Mormons get married young?

The church does put an emphasis on marriage, but Glenn asked the audience if there was anything more fulfilling than having a strong marriage and kids? He told his daughter, a non-Mormon, when she was thinking of getting married at a young age (she’s in her early twenties) that there is no reason to wait if you know you are with “the one”. Is it better to party into your thirties?

“What about your Mormon missionaries? I see them riding around town on their bikes sometimes. What do they do?”

Watch Glenn explain the life of a person during their missionary and the self-reliance it can teach below:

  • Louis Stoll Sr

    Excellent show tonight. One of the best shows this year. THANK YOU

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZACD3FST246RQW4LWRAC5VFL3I Dorothy

    Thanks, Glenn. As a life-long member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have, indeed, winced when Mormonism was discussed by the MSM. They have always had a special talent for gettng it all wrong.
    But tonight, I found myself smiling and even laughing out loud at how you handled all the Mormon questions. You are a good reminder that truth, coupled with humor, is the best teacher!

    • Carolee

      Very well said Dorothy! I agree completely!! (another life long member) ;)

    • Carolee

      Very well said Dorothy! I agree completely!! (another life long member) ;)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R4AIEWGG3PZ77T4C7QVQSBFXAM Ron

    As an Evangelical i was so pleased that the first question he answered was the most important one. Is Jesus Divine ? He said yes and the rest of the questions dont matter

    • http://www.facebook.com/guy.becker.986 Guy Becker

      Even Muslims believe that Jesus was divine.

      • http://www.facebook.com/susane.carlson.1 Susane Carlson

        Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, not the divine son of God.

      • Anonymous

        Wrong.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mr.bill.kasper Bill Kasper

          No, you’re wrong. Muslims believe Jesus is a dead prophet, second in command below Mohammad. You should probably learn theology before trying to discuss it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

        The Qur’an states that Jesus had the power to raise the dead, and was called “the word of God” none of which Mohammed is accredited

      • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

        The Qur’an states that Jesus had the power to raise the dead, and was called “the word of God” none of which Mohammed is accredited

    • http://twitter.com/oly1kenobi Oly Pittman

      Is Jesus more divine than his brother Satan?

      • http://www.facebook.com/hyrumwhite Hyrum Seth White

        Short answer: yes. Long answer and please don’t misconstrue this comment as an attack, but think about this. Did God create Satan? If no, than God must not be all-powerful, because that would imply Satan is either co-eternal with God, or that some other force created him outside of God’s control.

        If yes, then he is in fact our sibling, created by the same being that created us. Is Hitler our brother, and the brother of Jesus? Yes. He was created by God, just as Christ was created by God, just as Satan was created by God.

        To say that we are not the siblings of both Christ the only begotten son in the flesh, and Satan a “son of the morning” as Isaiah calls him in the OT, is to say that God is not Omnipotent.

        • http://twitter.com/attytray ellen traystman

          God did not create Jesus. He is uncreated, just like God and the Holy Spriit. The triune God, three in one.

          • http://www.facebook.com/coradean.camery Coradean Camery

            That’s strange, I thought we were made in his image. I’m not three in one. corky

          • Anonymous

            Body, soul, and spirit….you are three in one…

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Wade/100000497190047 Donna Wade

            yes you are body, soul and spirit…three in one…just like God.

          • Katie Lewis

            I know what a body is and what a spirit is. What is a soul?

          • http://www.facebook.com/Tactikiller Dane Anderson

            The soul is the unification of the body and the spirit.

            duh.

          • Katie Lewis

            So how is that three things? To me it sounds like two things (body, spirit), and the word “soul” is just used to describe both together.

            I think it’s great that we can have respectful conversations about beliefs in our country. I was sincerely trying to understand what someone else believes. I think it’s unfortunate that people feel like they can be unkind in a forum like this because it’s not a face-to-face conversation. Thanks for your answer.

          • Jennifer Zingalie Goulart

            Body–physical, soul–heart (life or death), spirit–personality

          • Jim Schultz

            But you are……you are spirit, soul, and body. Your spirit is that part of you that enables you to exist eternally. Your soul is your unique personality….made up of mind, will, and emotions. Your body is your temporary unique vehicle while on earth…..it enables others to see you…but, looks can be deceiving. One has to spend time with a person to really “see” or know what they are really like. The most important thing we can do here on earth is to choose where we want to spend eternity. We don’t get to Heaven by default…..it’s a conscious choice. Jesus paid the full price for our salvation…..our only job or “work” is believe on Him who God has sent to be our savior. Once we receive the free gift of salvation, He does want us to do good works…..but they are not additional payments for salvation…..salvation cannot be earned. No matter how good we think we are we could never get to Heaven apart from trusting in Him and His sacrifice for us. Jesus said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life……and no one comes to the Father but through Him. In these Last Days…. He has prepared an ultimate place of survival for His Church(hint, it’s not in this world)……receive Him today as Lord and Savior…..don’t be left behind.

          • Jennifer Zingalie Goulart

            you have a body, soul and spirit

          • http://www.facebook.com/coradean.camery Coradean Camery

            That’s strange, I thought we were made in his image. I’m not three in one. corky

          • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

            God is life, God is energy, God is Matter. God is capable of Creation, Renewal, and Destruction. God the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil. Since the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil, He can and he has created both Jesus and Lucifer.

            Jesus, like the Great Eternal Father, is also capable of both Good and Evil. For instance, today, we have totally created him in our image. So in response he has become what the majority of Christians believe he is — a God of War.

          • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

            God is life, God is energy, God is Matter. God is capable of Creation, Renewal, and Destruction. God the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil. Since the Great Eternal is capable of both Good and Evil, He can and he has created both Jesus and Lucifer.

            Jesus, like the Great Eternal Father, is also capable of both Good and Evil. For instance, today, we have totally created him in our image. So in response he has become what the majority of Christians believe he is — a God of War.

          • Anonymous

            God is not evil – nor is he capable of evil. Does he reserve the right for the wrath of righteous indignation – of course – but that is not sin either. That is corrective punishment done in love, aimed at mankind who brought upon himself his own sins, or transgression of Gods word.

          • Anonymous

            And I would like to add that Jesus is not evil. He is perfect.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

            @twitter-67787696:disqus Was Jesus talking to himself and seeing himself descend upon himself immediately after being immersed at his Baptism? Did Jesus always talk to himself while praying? so confusing.

          • Jennifer Zingalie Goulart

            Yes–God is all powerful the human mind can not fully grasp his glory as Paul states

        • http://twitter.com/attytray ellen traystman

          God did not create Jesus. He is uncreated, just like God and the Holy Spriit. The triune God, three in one.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kimberly.j.mills Kimberly Jenson Mills

          In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (The Mormons) we believe in the Godhead…(God our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost) See Matthew 3:16-17. We believe they are three seperate and distinct beings. Our Heavenly Father (God) created all of us as spirit children in Heaven, including Jesus and Satan. Before coming to this earth to receive a body we all lived together in Heaven. God did not and still does not create evil. God gave us free agency to choose right (good) or wrong (evil). Satan chose the wrong. Jesus chose the right in order to help us follow the right path back to God our Heavenly Father. We still have free agency here on earth and can choose to follow Satan or Jesus Christ.

          • Nueman

            The 10th chapter of John, Jesus declares that he and the Father are one.

          • Anonymous

            Satan was one of the many angels God created. He chose to rebel against God because he wanted to be god & a third of the angels sided with Satan (demons). Jesus is not related to Satan. Jesus was and is not an angel. Jesus is God’s son. See this is where the Mormons are really mixed up.

          • Jennifer Zingalie Goulart

            God gave his beings free will–he created Lucifer the Angel of Light– Lucifer tried to become God and was cast out of heaven– Satan.

            Jesus IS GOD maniest in the flesh–no MAN n matter how perfect he is could pay for the redemption of mankind and no man can earn his way to heaven

      • http://www.facebook.com/hyrumwhite Hyrum Seth White

        Short answer: yes. Long answer and please don’t misconstrue this comment as an attack, but think about this. Did God create Satan? If no, than God must not be all-powerful, because that would imply Satan is either co-eternal with God, or that some other force created him outside of God’s control.

        If yes, then he is in fact our sibling, created by the same being that created us. Is Hitler our brother, and the brother of Jesus? Yes. He was created by God, just as Christ was created by God, just as Satan was created by God.

        To say that we are not the siblings of both Christ the only begotten son in the flesh, and Satan a “son of the morning” as Isaiah calls him in the OT, is to say that God is not Omnipotent.

      • http://twitter.com/BrittsFineArt Brittney Hallowell

        Where in the bible does it ever say Satan is Jesus’ brother? No where. Satan was the most beautiful angel who was cast out.

        • http://twitter.com/oly1kenobi Oly Pittman

          If your asking me, I agree.. I’m just asking the Mormans, because that is what they believe.

        • http://twitter.com/oly1kenobi Oly Pittman

          If your asking me, I agree.. I’m just asking the Mormans, because that is what they believe.

        • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.hoskin.3 Christopher Hoskin

          Isaiah 14, Came from and cast out of heaven. God created everything in heaven and earth (Gen 1). We’re all children and creations of God (including satan) => siblings. If you don’t hold a Trinitarian view of God (trinity is nowhere in the Bible) then you believe Jesus is a child and creation of God as well. Yes, we’re all children of God, Satan is all of our brother. Our Lord and Savior is our perfect older brother. If you do believe in a Trinitarian view of God, then you believe in Jesus the creator of Satan.

        • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.hoskin.3 Christopher Hoskin

          Isaiah 14, Came from and cast out of heaven. God created everything in heaven and earth (Gen 1). We’re all children and creations of God (including satan) => siblings. If you don’t hold a Trinitarian view of God (trinity is nowhere in the Bible) then you believe Jesus is a child and creation of God as well. Yes, we’re all children of God, Satan is all of our brother. Our Lord and Savior is our perfect older brother. If you do believe in a Trinitarian view of God, then you believe in Jesus the creator of Satan.

          • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.rose.bauer Mandy Bauer

            Jesus was with God in the beginning. He is the Word. in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, Jesus was with god in the Beginning . . . as were many other spirit children including Michael the archangel. As for Matthew’s reference to “the word was God” you’ll find that that translation does not mean exactly what it sounds like when compared to the original manuscripts.
            “the word was God” is a reference to the fact that Jesus was of the same mind as God, that they were “one” in purpose. (As opposed to Satan who was not one with God, and who in fact rebelled trying to take away choice and bring himself the Glory that was God’s)

            This same principle is more clearly explained in Jesus’s great intercessory prayer in John 17. Jesus prayed that those that believe in him would be “One” even as He and his father are “one”. Now, if you take the trinitarian view, was he saying that all believers will eventually be physically combined to become “one” with God, or did the prayer simply mean that we should all be of one mind, with an eye single to the Glory of God, keeping the commandments and relying on the grace of Christ to bring us back to God?

          • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.rose.bauer Mandy Bauer

            Jesus was with God in the beginning. He is the Word. in the beginning was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God.

          • Anonymous

            Jesus did not create Satan the Devil, nor is Satan the brother of Christ nor is he a son of God and never will be.

            The angels were created long before humans – at no time does God call them sons. Although created perfect, the angels were given the job of proving obedience toward God on this very earth. They (one third) utterly failed the task and God realized then and there, that the only ‘being’ who could ever be depended upon to never ever sin – was a GOD BEING.

            Using mankind, God is now in the process of recreating himself. We are mortal beings (at present) but will be adopted as sons if born again in Gods kingdom. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit – literally meaning – true sons of God – Yes, God will have new born family members included in his kingdom, they will also be known as God.

            Satan is the creator of Satan, before his fall from grace, sin was never known. God does not create sin, nor sinners – Satan is the father of lies and he is also the god of this world. So says your bible – (Gods word in print)

          • R McMillan

            “Satan is the creator of Satan” No doctrine there, just something that sounded good?

          • Anonymous

            You might buy into the idea of smooth things, flowing from the mouth of a trained imitator of a man of God – but I don’t.

            God did not create an Evil Devil – Gods ingenious work is done out of love, and everything he does – well, it Is – Perfect.

            Lucifer, the pinnacle creation of God, was perfect in all his ways….God created a brilliant creature…not a devil…in fact, there never had been – up to the time of Lucifer’s rebellion – anything known as sin. It flat out didn’t exist and never did.

            A change of direction though in his thinking, led Lucifer to become Satan (which means adversary of God) – To make it more accurate that is, what I should have written is- Lucifer created Satan…not God.

          • R McMillan

            In that you are correct, God did not create an evil devil, in the same way that none of his creations is innately evil. But God also knew the end result of His creation even at the moment he was created, therefore, God did “create Satan”.

          • Anonymous

            You could not be more wrong and by suggesting what you do, it shows your limited understanding of God and your gullibility to be easily swayed and led astray by a gospel about God, verses having the life saving wisdom and understanding of the true gospel of God.

            One thing we must remember if God creates in the way you suggest, you, me, in fact all of mankind, are nothing more than entity’s unable to think for ourselves – essentially robots taking up space, living by fate.

            That means our futures are predetermined and if that is the case, God is a liar and not the perfect creature he says he is.

            If one understands the true gospel, one also gains the wisdom to understand how God works and why.

            Let me give you an example.

            NASA engineers flew several missions to the moon. Each rocket they blasted into outer-space had multiple backup plans. The thinking was, if the main system failed there would be a second or even a third to take its place and do the necessary job of returning our astronauts safely back to the earth. In the same way every car that rolls off the assembly line has brakes – but in case they fail,all of us are familiar with what is called the emergency brake.

            If then, mankind with his gift of foresight, is able to suggest the possibility or even probability, of something going wrong either in a NASA rocket, or any other device developed by the hand of man, how much then is the foresight of God.

            I’ll give another example of two loving parents, who raised their child with love, who gave him everything in life he needed to succeed, a loving family, a good education, morals, ethics, even good ‘ol fashioned common sense – did they know that their child would grow up to be a killer, if in fact that is what happens? These good parents are no longer responsible for the behavior of a child gone bad, than is God responsible for Satan’s mind change.

            If you truly understood the one true gospel of God you would also understand where you error.

            God did not create a devil and here is why.

            In the very first few verses of the book of John, we are given a little insight of the very beginning of all things, meaning what things where like before the creation of first – the angels, second – the vast physical ever expanding universe and lastly, but not least, the creation of mankind, and I should add – in that exact order.

            In the beginning John relates to us, there were only two “beings” – God and the Word. Today we know them as God the Father and Jesus Christ his first born Son. These two had always existed. Somewhere along the line it was decided by these two beings, to create living creatures. So they created the angels – all of them. Certain angels were created having more ability than the others, we know them to be archangels. In the book of Genesis we are given the account of creation. Now when the angels witnessed Gods creative abilities first hand, they shouted out for joy at the utter beauty that now surrounded them and what an awesome inspiring event it must have been. They were to someday fill the universe and under Gods supervision, maintain it and further beatify it. We could equate it with God making the cake, but it was given to the angels to frost it, if you will.

            But first, God had to make absolutely certain these newly created angels, who were perfect at creation, would stay that way. So God ask for volunteers and using only one third of their total number, God placed them on the earth to test them. Putting the pinocle of his ultimate creative genius in charge over them, one super archangel who we know as Lucifer. In fact this Lucifer actually covered the very throne of God with his wings.

            You see, God will not force anyone – not even the angels, to obey his voice. He does though, give every individual entity ever created the ability to make decisions for himself. Then he will test those individuals to see if they remain loyal or in the case of the angels – perfect.

            We are not told the exact duration of time it took for Lucifer to rebel against God, even to the point of war, but most are familiar of Lucifer’s all out rebellion.

            Lucifer had been created perfect – in all his ways – but vanity set in and caused him to rebel.

            The point is, Did God know before hand that his greatest creative achievement (Lucifer) would turn away? Absolutely not! Did God realize the possibility of him rebelling maybe, even the probability, yes. That then, is why I included (in the above paragraphs) the ability of mans creative gift and how he can foresee the need for a ‘back-up plan’ God also had a back-up plan.

            God realized, that these angels might decide to go rogue. If that were to take place (which it did) then the Godhead (God and the Word) would be left with no other conclusion which was – “The only BEING which could be relied upon to never sin – for ever and ever – was a GOD BEING.

            Yes, God had a backup plan, plan ‘B’ one might say and that plan entailed – recreating himself – and – he would use mankind to do it.

            That is only a tiny, small fraction of the true gospel of God – but, it is a crucial part of understanding Almighty God and what is really taking place down here below.

            God did not create Satan.

          • Anonymous

            Chapter and verse where angels were created before mortals? You seem to be confusing Dante and Milton with apostles and prophets.

            *jeep! & God Bless!
            –Grandpa Chet

          • Anonymous

            You seem to be confusing Milton Bradly with Divine inspiration…

            OK YoYo…Let me show you what you seem to have missed somewhere along the line in your biblical studies…maybe it was when you were playing “blind-mans-bluff”

            In the first chapter of Hebrews we read about angels, it begins in talking about Jesus, “He (Jesus)….stamped with Gods own character, sustains the universe with his word of power….and thus he is superior to angels, as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. For to what angel did God ever say, You are my son, today I have become your father’? or again, I will; be a father to him and he shall be a son to me?”

            Further, when introducing the firstborn to the world (Jesus) he says – “Let all the angels worship him…God says this about his firstborn son – “who turns his angels into winds (spirits) his servants (angels) into flames of fire – He says of the son(Jesus) “God is your throne forever and ever, your royal scepter is the scepter of equity: you have loved justice and hated lawlessness, therefore God, your God has consecrated you with the oil of rejoicing beyond all your comrades – and – “You (Jesus) did found the earth at the beginning.

            To what angel did God ever say, “Sit at my right side, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. Are not all angels merely in the divine service, commissioned for the benefit of those who are to inherit salvation? ….verses 3-10, 13-14…Moffatt translation

            At the present time (this day and age) humans are created a little lower than the angels, though we have an awesome potential to become far greater – see 2nd chpt Hebrews

            It is shocking to many who never proved it to themselves before, but the angels were created before the earth and even the physical creation of the vast universe – Job 38:1-7 shows the angels shouted for joy when God first created the earth. In Genisis 1and2 it shows the earth was created at the same time the universe was. In the account of one third of the angels (led by Lucifer) being placed on the earth, it shows that all of the angels were created at one time.

            Most of us realize that Lucifer sinned, becoming Satan or the adversary of God. Adam (the first human) could have dethroned this now evil angel or devil – but succumbed to Satan’s deceptions.

            The angels have been around for millions of years. Today men and evil angels share the same planet, thus, all of the evil over the past six thousand years. Thats not to say that Holy angels don’t walk among us because from time to time they do.

            I’ll even go further and give you something else to consider.

            Til now, what I have shown is that the angels were created first, second, came the creation of the universe. It was Gods will to set the angels over the universe, but first, God needed to know if they would remain perfect (the way he created them) after all,they were created with free moral agency meaning they could decide things and make choices for themselves. The account in Genesis tells the story of the fallen angels and how pride led them astray. God realized that if perfectly created angelic beings, could not be relied upon to remain perfect, then the only “being” that could be relied upon to never sin would be a God Being – so that is what is happening down on this earth as we speak, God is re-creating himself and he’s using mankind to accomplish this task. For now, we are prone to sin and death, later, righteousness and eternal life. That’s why we were created a little lower than the angels, but later, after reborn in Gods Kingdom as the very sons of God, we will be higher than the angels. We will be very God Beings – of course, never will we attain to the status of the Father nor our elder brother Jesus, but we will be God.

        • Anonymous

          What do you think Isaiah’s “son of the morning” label was talking about then? Satan is a son of the morning, meaning he is one of the eldest of Heavenly Father’s spirit children. As Jesus Christ is the Eldest, and is also a son of the morning, that makes them brothers. And that is Biblical doctrine. So please, read it for yourself instead of taking anyone else’s word for it.

          • Anonymous

            Regardless of your Christian/Judeo-Christian belief, or absence thereof, I would rather have a Christian/Mormon as president than a Muslim who practices taqqiya (Islamic practice of lying as long as it is in the interest of Islam). Have you not noticed how those who practice the Islamic religion are favored by Obama?

        • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

          @twitter-251433833:disqus

          The LDS faith
          teaches that EVERY HUMAN BEING is a literal child of God. Before this earth was
          created, we lived as individual spirits, as sons and daughters of our literal
          Father in Heaven; yes, Jesus was there (as Jehovah) and Satan was there, (as
          Lucifer), and so were you and I.

      • http://twitter.com/BrittsFineArt Brittney Hallowell

        Where in the bible does it ever say Satan is Jesus’ brother? No where. Satan was the most beautiful angel who was cast out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

        My… so many opinions in this thread following Oly P one line comment. I’ve seen so many things I want to comment on. I suppose we can only do one at a time. I have seen numerous comments on the trilogy here and I can’t help but comment. I grew up a Methodist which is an offspring of the Catholic Church and the Methodist doctrine is tightly entwined around a trilogy, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I personally no longer believe that and follow the Church of God doctrine which states that God is Elohim, which is a plural word, like Church. Next, I site John 1:1 of the KJV of the Holy Bible, NT. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. That is a powerful and deeply meaningful verse. The Word was begotten by God the Father unto the virgin Mary where the mortal form of the Word was born of flesh. The Holy spirit or Holy Ghost is the power of God and is how God is omnipotent and “everywhere”, not a personage. There is no soul other than to make a statement like, “see that poor soul over there”. In that context, soul is a being or person but is a human/mortal form or context; not supernatural. There is no 3 in 1 being, no 3 physical persons. I realize this is not acceptable to many but this trinity doctrine just does not hold up under close bible scrutiny. It was made up around 350AD through Constatine and the Nicene council to create a counterfeit Christianity since the Romans couldn’t “kill it all out”. I am sorry if this offends some but for me, well this is the truth I understand today.

      • Anonymous

        Satan is not Jesus’ brother.  Satan is a fallen angel and Jesus is one of the Godhead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Wade/100000497190047 Donna Wade

      What do you mean by divine? Better to ask the question was Christ, God in the flesh, sent to dwell with us? That, I believe, will get you a different answer from Mormons.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.soutas Jordan Soutas

        The titile page to the book of mormon says that it was written for the purpose of “to convince both Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, THE ETERTNAL GOD.” Mosiah 15: 1 says, “I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

      AMEN !!!

  • Robyn

    Thanks, Glenn. I am not Mormon, nor do I agree with all of their beliefs, but I have had Mormon neighbors that were among the best people I’ve ever known. Every Mormon I’ve ever dealt with has had a strong family, and were always ready to chip in and help whoever needed it. That certainly isn’t a negative against Gov. Romney in my book.

  • Dillon

    Dear, Glenn. For the past few days, you have been saying how much you were not looking forward to doing this special on your faith as a Mormon. Often, it seems that it is the more difficult things we do that make the biggest impact, that can bring about reflection and sometimes great healing. Your honest discussion about your faith touched me profoundly and I hope will be an instrument of healing misunderstandings. We are all just Children of God struggling to serve him in the best way we may be able in the community and fellowship that, gratefully, we still have the freedom to choose. How fortunate we truly are. Thank you for your courage and for your faith as you constantly challenge me to reflect upon my own!

    • http://MediaBlackoutExposed.blogspot.com/ MediaBlackoutExposedClickHere

      It was great. If only now he could expose the truth about Obama and what he believes….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

        We have to Vote Romney , Romney is a Great person and we need him , we cannot take any more of Obama

    • http://MediaBlackoutExposed.blogspot.com/ MediaBlackoutExposedClickHere

      It was great. If only now he could expose the truth about Obama and what he believes….

    • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

      Dillon, I do believe that many mormons are saved, but not many. Who do they say Christ is? Who do they say God is? They believe that they will one day be a god, so that isn’t what is taught at my church. I love love love Glen Beck as a person and I am praying that he is a true believe of Christ. I pray that one day he will believe that Jesus died on the Christ for his sins and because of that and only that he will spend eternity with God his creator, not in his own universe where he is God.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

        I am so grateful that YOU will not be deciding who will be saved and who will not be saved. I am grateful that my Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died on the cross and was resurrected the third day, and suffered, bot body and spirit for my sins will be my Judge and Advocate with my Father.

        God bless you Dawn DeeDee Roper, that “with that same judgement ye judge, ye shall also be judged.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/TrueWindigo Ernest Stewart

          The words quoted by Jesus in John 10:34 are from Psalm 82:6. The pertinent section reads as follows:

          I said, “You are gods,And all of you are sons of the Most High.Nevertheless you will die like menAnd fall like any one of the princes.”

          Question if it was well known at the time that men could become a god why did they pick up stones to stone Jesus? Seems pointless and obvious.

          Lastly Romans doesn’t prove that a good enough person could become a god. Joint heirs does not mean also in power.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sharon.marsoun Sharon Hudson Marsoun

            To answer your question: Why did they pick up stones to stone Jesus? Jesus said in John 10:
            30 I and my Father are one.
            31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
            32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
            33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for ablasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself bGod.
            34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are agods?
            35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
            36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath asanctified, and bsent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the cSon of God?
            So, obviously, the priests of Jesus’ day had forgotten the scriptures and set their hearts to murder him for blasphemy.
            And, re: joint heirs & power: just remember that we will only be given what the Father will give us, based on our righteousness. No man can take any power of his own accord. God will only bless us as He sees fit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/zielkee Evelyn Zielke

            Ernest, why not a joint heir in power? Even CS Lewis believed Christ intends to give us some kind of perfection if we are to become ‘one’ with Him.

          • Jeremy

            Wouldn’t it be great if God provided a prophet or apostles on earth today to tell us how to interpret those scriptures?

            Christ only formed one Church during his mortal ministry, a Church that survived decades after his crucifixion based on the principles of revelation and priesthood authority. It wasn’t until the prophet (Peter) and the remaining apostles were either killed or died that there started to be significant departures in Christ’s doctrines. Eventually Christ’s church fell into full fledged apostasy, as evidenced through the Dark Ages.

            Today there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations. Why? Because each Church and individual will interpret Bible the way that fits their own needs or opinions. This is contrary to how God has ALWAYS communicated with his children

      • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

        As
        far as your “they will be gods” comments, I am certain that you
        believe the Bible?

        John 10:34 “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in
        your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

        Romans 8:17 “And if
        children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we
        suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”

        If
        Christ is God, and we are to be “glorified” with him and be
        “joint-heirs” with him and and “heirs of God,” then I think
        that you cannot see, nor hear, nor let enter into your heart the things that
        God has prepared for them that love him.
        God bless you to see, hear and let enter into your heart these things as you love him.

        • Nueman

          The John quote there is taken out of context. The whole statement that is made by Jesus invokes the Trinity.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXQSDNBT3POK3P2VLPKVWAOQDY Anonymous

          By saying “ye are gods,” Jesus is quoting an unflattering passage in the OT essentially telling the Pharisees they’re unjust in their judgements without using those words.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kimberly.j.mills Kimberly Jenson Mills

        Dawn, Mormons (including Glen Beck) believe that Christ died for all of our sins, not just a mormon’s sins. It is a free gift he gave to all so that we may repent and return to his presence to live with him again someday. Christ is the center of the LDS church and we strive to follow his example in our ever day actions. No one is perfect. That is why we have repentance and why we are so very thankful that we have our Savior Jesus Christ to help us.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

          Very nice, Thank you .

        • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.conners Spencer Conners

          right on Kim

      • Anonymous

        “Jesus died on the Christ,” did He? You might wish to learn doctrine before ordering others to think what you command them to think. And do you REALLY believe that dying is ALL Jesus did and does for us?

        Somehow, I think you know that “gods” (little g) refers to perfected souls with perfected bodies, living forever under Heavenly Father’s laws – indeed, what word would better define such children? I’m sure you know that the child NEVER supplants the Father, but you continue to pretend that Latter-day Saints want to do exactly that.

        I am happy that you’re proud to own your own church, as you state. We prefer a church that’s not created by a mortal, even a Dawn. We humbly bow to the will of Heavenly Father and His ONLY begotten, Jesus Christ, whose church you malign.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zielkee Evelyn Zielke

        Dawn, even CS Lewis (Screwtape Letters, Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe) asserted Christ intends to give us some kind of perfection because he wants us to be “one” with Him.

      • tony

        So Dawn — progressing to godhood isn’t taught in your church. So i suppose you have all the answers. Great! However, what does your church say happens after death? seriously? do we just sit around and worship at the feet of God? Hmmm, feet of God…God must have feet! Sorry, been reading the comments here and folks make fun of my faith all the time. We do believe God, our Heavenly Father has a body. We do believe Jesus Christ is His literal Son. What cinched my discovery of the Church was when I asked Mormon missionaries serving in Korea, “Please tell me what happened to Jesus’ body when, as it says in the Bible, He ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father.” and the young Elder said, “He still has it.!” Boom! that was the moment. First of all, there is the condition of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ being SEPARATE beings here because it says in the Bible He sits AT THE RIGHT HAND of the Father. And second, the scripture says Jesus Christ still has his body. The doctrine of the Trinity was conceived at a time in the history of the world when unenlightened men tried to figure out who God was. Just because I happen to see the nature of God differently than you doesn’t mean it’s wrong. It’s just different.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

      Dillon, I do believe that many mormons are saved, but not many. Who do they say Christ is? Who do they say God is? They believe that they will one day be a god, so that isn’t what is taught at my church. I love love love Glen Beck as a person and I am praying that he is a true believe of Christ. I pray that one day he will believe that Jesus died on the Christ for his sins and because of that and only that he will spend eternity with God his creator, not in his own universe where he is God.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

      Very well said !!!!

  • http://twitter.com/trevorjenson Trevor Jenson

    Fantastic segment tonight! Great to hear simple answers to great questions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patty-Wheat-Blevins/1356434810 Patty Wheat Blevins

    Mr. Beck, I am a missionary Baptist and our beliefs are actually pretty close. I really enjoyed the show. It is a hard thing to open up your heart on your most cherished beliefs knowing so many will mock it. I believe that is why God has put us here, to spread the word. Thank you so much for sharing. See you in Cinci

  • Helen

    It’s an awesome show! I totally enjoyed it. Thank you so much!

  • windtalker700

    Thanks G/B that was a great and entertaining look at
    reality. I was not born Catholic, for lack of a better phrase I was borne a
    southern Baptist. I became Catholic because I enjoy rules! The Catholic Church
    is most certainly a Church of rules.

    I have friends who are LDS. Yes, they have tried to convert
    me but I did not go. I didn’t go because there was something that told me not
    too because I believed then and now I didn’t need to! Whether a friend or some
    kids on bicycles, I have always opened the door into my home, I listened, we
    talked, and we always parted as friends.

    Thanks G/B, for an episode that reminds me of the horrors of
    ignorance and the beauty of enlightenment. I know your doing your best to be an honest
    person and I am your friend. The Jew, The Christian, The Muslim, The others: As
    for The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter day Saints; I believe there are
    street corners in Heaven. There, we will stand as representatives of a G-d
    loving people, shaking hands, talking about our experiences, and just being good
    to one and another.

    Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      :) I was born a Catholic. At 19years old, I was invited to the Mormon church, I went and I kept going. It is so easy to visit. There are no rituals or repetitions. I loved it. I joined.
      My parents were horrified. When they complained to my uncle, a Catholic priest, about my decision (and seeming rebellion), his frank response to them was, “She could do a lot worse things than become a Mormon.”
      The Church is a bit mysterious to people because Mormons have a very simple yet very deep conviction of their faith and it motivates them to do their best follow Christ, to obey the commandments and to live clean lives.

      I wonder if it is because of our unusual and seemingly disciplined lifestyle (most of us have much to work on), that people are under the impression that we are brainwashed. (Some have even called us clones.) Nothing could be further from the truth. If you visit every Catholic and Protestant church and then the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you’ll be stunned at the lack of “brainwashing”. In Primary, our children memorize “the Articles of Faith” which are the basic precepts and tenets of our religion.(You can check them out at lds.org) Beyond that, we are very much encouraged to study the scriptures at church and in our families and as individuals and to seek learning and knowledge for ourselves through prayer.

      I think that one point of doctrine that sets us apart from other Christian faiths is the interpretation of “grace”. While we believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was divinely appointed to atone for our sins through His suffering, crucifixion, and resurrection, we believe that we access the atonement in our own lives by obeying the commandments and repenting when we fail (sacrificing our own sins).
      At the time of Augustine, the “Catholic church” ruled that Jesus Christ saved men IN their sins. We believe that Christ came to save men FROM their sins-That wickedness never brings happiness. It cannot.
      I encourage you to go to church with your neighbors or at least learn about their faith by going to lds.org. But even if you choose not to, I want to thank you for being tolerant and Christlike in your dealings with your neighbors. I hope there are many more like you out there.
      Thank you.

      • windtalker700

        Thank you for your kindness and bless your heart. If and whenever the boys in black come to my
        door on their bicycles I’ll always try to have some root beer and tenderloin available.

        It’s a funny thing, I’m a practicing Catholic, and thanks
        but I’m not leaving, but, here in the south I have always told anybody who was
        trying to make a home visit “ spreading the word” Thank you but I’m Catholic ! The conversation
        always ends there with some kind of spiritual affirmation “ we tried and you
        loose”. The LDS folks are the only ones
        I have ever ask to have as a guest in my home because they do not offend!

        Thank you again for your kind words and I promise you, the
        only thing that separates your heaven from mine is nothing more important than
        crossing the street! God loving people should never, ever, bring
        discontent to one another even when we disagree.

  • Andy

    Thanks for doing this show. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I feel that you represented the faith very well. I also love your video about your conversion to the faith – An Unlikely Mormon – and I highly recommend that to others who want to further understand why you and others are devout Christians.

  • landofaahs

    Glenn, you seem to set up some straw men here. What about the questions like; Are Jesus and lucifer brothers? Is the Bible complete or was it incomplete until Joseph Smith and the book of mormon? Are Father Son and Holy Spirit eternal and co equal and thereby 3 persons and 1 God? Do mormons believe that they will someday be God’s themselves? These are some of the reasons traditional Christianity believes that mormonism is not Christianity. Now please don’t play the victim and claim that you are being persecuted because the book of mormon is a clear statement that traditional Christianity is not the truth but incomplete. In other words the arguement will work both ways.
    I have an idea. You believe what you will and so will everyone else. If someone “offends” your sensibilities, deal with it. Hust because you disagree with me, I don’t feel persecuted. Save the term persecution for the real thing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Morgan/100000253121773 Carol Morgan

      if there is anything you have questions about, pull YOUR faith together and PRAY about it! God loves truth and will always answer sincere prayer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dbundy Douglas Bundy

      1) Do Christians believe that Lucifer fell from heaven? What was he before he fell? Oh, darn. Christians believe God was alone in heaven until about 6,000 years ago, right? So, then Lucifer couldn’t fall from heaven, before the earth was created, so when was he created? Was he created by God after Adam and Eve? If so, why? Why does Isaiah refer to him as a man?

      So many questions, so few answers for many, many centuries. Then along comes Joseph Smith and we learn that God created all things spiritually, before he caused it to rain upon the earth, and that Jesus is actually who he said he was, the Son of God, sent to do the will of his Father. We learn that among the spirits created before the world was, one of the brightest of them wanted to be the Son of God, to be sent by the Father, but to do his own will, not to do the will of the Father, When he was rejected, he rebelled and was cast out, with all those who followed after him.

      What in the world does this have to do with making Jesus who descended in America, another Jesus from the one who ascended in Palestine?

      2) The Book of Mormon is the testament of Joseph that Jesus is the Christ, but it is a compendium of that testimony, not the full account, which is still to come forth. God preserved it under ground for centuries, because the apostates of the American church would have destroyed it, if he hadn’t had it buried to preserve it. The apostates of the Palestinian church didn’t destroy the Bible, but they exploited it for their own purposes, holding back many plain and precious explanations of doctrine and even removing some covenants, according to the word of God.

      3) Joseph learned that the record of Judah, the Bible, is true, having spread the knowledge of the gospel of Christ world-wide, so that most of its inhabitants today have a knowledge of the Savior. But the doctrines of Christianity, supposedly taken from the Bible, are many times absurd, such as the 3rd century doctrine of the Trinity, which remains to this day an admittedly incomprehensible concept.

      The reason that Jesus referred to himself in the Bible as “the Son of Man” is because he is the Son of God, who is the “Man of Holiness,” spoken of by the ancients. He is the express image of his biological Father, in whose image Adam and Eve were created.

      The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. There is no God, there is no Savior besides the one God of Israel, Jehovah, the Holy One of Jacob. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father, and true all true Christians are one in them.

      4) The word for God in Hebrew is used in different ways. One way refers to magistrates, or rulers. The word is identical to the plural form of el, used anciently. So, if you were speaking in Hebrew, it would not be unusual to use the plural form of el, or elohim, to refer to the saints, in the coming day when they will be sinless (having been washed clean in the blood of the Lamb,) immortal (their corruption having put on incorruption by the resurrection,) reigning magistrates, who have been crowned and who have been granted to sit with Jesus in his throne, according to the Bible.

      Questions?

      • landofaahs

        The Bible makes no mention of Jesus coming to America but you are making my point that mormonism does not believe that the Bible alone is sufficient and God’s complete written word for us. That is heresy in my belief. You can believe what you will though.
        One God yes . 3 beings Yes. Man and woman together are one flesh even though they are 2 beings.
        Lucifer is a fallen angel not begotten of God as Jesus. Jesus was begotten not made. Satan or Lucifer was and is a fallen angel just like the other angels that follow him.
        Crowned with Christ’s righteousness, not our own. Those crowns we will cast before our Lord because they are due to him. Yes we will be raised immortal and incorrupt. I do not remember any passage where we are considered magistrates in heaven. If you are a millenialist though, that may be what could be meant by the passage saying that we will reign with Christ.
        No I have no questions, I already know what the answers are. They arfe all in the Bible.

        • Dallin cervo

          What about before there was a Bible though? For example after Moses passed away we had the books of Moses. Was THAT? sufficient enough for the people at that time? Were people offended when Isaiah, or Joel, or Samuel came along for instance and started ADDING to the WORD of God they already had? The point is the word of GOD has always been added upon. Who are you to limit God and say the Bible is all we need? Just because someone came along and said “hey we should make a book out of all these writings we have” doesnt mean that that is it. The word of God will always be “added” upon because God will never cease to stop speaking to us.

          • landofaahs

            Jesus is that WORD. When he ceased to speak to us through his apostles including Paul that was it. But no matter what I cite, you can twist to what you want, so just believe what you will.

          • landofaahs

            Jesus is that WORD. When he ceased to speak to us through his apostles including Paul that was it. But no matter what I cite, you can twist to what you want, so just believe what you will.

          • Diane

            In addition, there are many many scriptures that are mentioned in the Bible but have become lost. Just to name a few: Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22). Based upon the Bible as a witness to itself – it is not complete. That is why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints revere the Book of Mormon so much – because it answers the questions left unanswered by the Bible. The Bible and the Book of Mormon witness of each other and support each other. Literally the Bible is the stick of Judah and the Book of Mormon is the stick of Ephraim as spoken of in Ezekiel 37:16.

          • Diane

            In addition, there are many many scriptures that are mentioned in the Bible but have become lost. Just to name a few: Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22). Based upon the Bible as a witness to itself – it is not complete. That is why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints revere the Book of Mormon so much – because it answers the questions left unanswered by the Bible. The Bible and the Book of Mormon witness of each other and support each other. Literally the Bible is the stick of Judah and the Book of Mormon is the stick of Ephraim as spoken of in Ezekiel 37:16.

        • Dallin cervo

          What about before there was a Bible though? For example after Moses passed away we had the books of Moses. Was THAT? sufficient enough for the people at that time? Were people offended when Isaiah, or Joel, or Samuel came along for instance and started ADDING to the WORD of God they already had? The point is the word of GOD has always been added upon. Who are you to limit God and say the Bible is all we need? Just because someone came along and said “hey we should make a book out of all these writings we have” doesnt mean that that is it. The word of God will always be “added” upon because God will never cease to stop speaking to us.

    • Anonymous

      Read the Bible, if that is all you prefer to read. You’ll be surprised at how many answers there are to your questions in that Book alone:)

      • landofaahs

        It contains all we need to know. not all we would like to know.

    • R McMillan

      Land, How much was he supposed to cover? Should it be an hour segment? Three hours? All your questions have been asked and answered repeatedly by LDS apologists, as I have no doubt you are aware of. Nevertheless, Glenns show was not an attempt to prove LDS theology, but instead to answer some questions which are normally asked or misunderstood. Your average Christian is completely unaware of the questions you have brought up, they are rather, most commonly brought forth by those looking for debate and not understanding.

      As far as the Book of Mormon is concerned it is Orthodox (protestant) Christianity that claims the Bible is the complete and unalterable canon of scripture, that God can say no more. But where does God claim that such is the case? Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? Where does God ever state that all truth is embodied in its fullness in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, this is a man made idea, and not Gods word.

      • landofaahs

        Glenn taslking about strange underwear was designed to make fun of those with real problems with mormonism. He fell back on liberal tactics by making fun of accusations that are not mainstream but some random nutjob statements.
        Frankly I don’t care what he covers on it, just don’t say you’ve answered all the normal questions when you have not.
        I still recall Stu and Pat stopping Glenn from disagreeing with the Gov. of I believe Alabama who said that muslims were not his brothers. They jumped in and stopped Glenn because they did not want to go down that road with traditional Christians. My memory is better than that.
        Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? The Bible is the sole word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Go ahead and believe all the heresy you want, you are without excuse for I have done my job.

        • R McMillan

          “Glenn taslking about strange underwear was designed to make fun of those with real problems with mormonism”

          Really? Who, again, is going to ask the question? Glenn is NOT the protector of the Mormon religion nor does he put himself out there to be, you rarely hear him even talk about his faith. This is all about your own inner dialogue which seems to be that you need to find someone to duke this out with. If so, ask yourself this, are you doing Gods work or your own?

          In Mark 9:40 the disciples complain to Christ that they found one casting out devils in His name, “but they “forbade them”. Chris replies to Forbid them not, yet you find yourself in that same disciples shoes right now. We are for your part, whether you realize it or not. If you need to find someone to be angry with we would not fit the bill very well.

          • landofaahs

            Where do you get that I am angry? I’m just pointing out some of the tenets which Glenn promotes on his program and that’s fine. He has every right to do so. I just don’t consider mormonism as Christian. The fact that mormonism says that the Bible is incomplete or flawed and needed the book of mormon to correct it it just wrong. But you set up a fake straw man just like Alinsky would. The left always says if you don’t agree with us, you are a hater and a bigot etc., kinda like you are doing now.
            But go ahead and think you will be a God of your own celestial realm cause that is what Satan said. “I will be the most High”. Believe what you will and have a wonderful life.)

      • landofaahs

        Glenn taslking about strange underwear was designed to make fun of those with real problems with mormonism. He fell back on liberal tactics by making fun of accusations that are not mainstream but some random nutjob statements.
        Frankly I don’t care what he covers on it, just don’t say you’ve answered all the normal questions when you have not.
        I still recall Stu and Pat stopping Glenn from disagreeing with the Gov. of I believe Alabama who said that muslims were not his brothers. They jumped in and stopped Glenn because they did not want to go down that road with traditional Christians. My memory is better than that.
        Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? The Bible is the sole word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Go ahead and believe all the heresy you want, you are without excuse for I have done my job.

    • R McMillan

      Land, How much was he supposed to cover? Should it be an hour segment? Three hours? All your questions have been asked and answered repeatedly by LDS apologists, as I have no doubt you are aware of. Nevertheless, Glenns show was not an attempt to prove LDS theology, but instead to answer some questions which are normally asked or misunderstood. Your average Christian is completely unaware of the questions you have brought up, they are rather, most commonly brought forth by those looking for debate and not understanding.

      As far as the Book of Mormon is concerned it is Orthodox (protestant) Christianity that claims the Bible is the complete and unalterable canon of scripture, that God can say no more. But where does God claim that such is the case? Where does he ever say that a church will be lead by a book? Where does God ever state that all truth is embodied in its fullness in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, this is a man made idea, and not Gods word.

  • http://twitter.com/Nicendeth Nick Bagnall

    I’m surprised he didn’t talk about the United Order, and it’s literal definition of “Christian Communism”.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Order

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=656983014 Rosie Nanette Gagnon

      “Christian communism” or as the LDS call it, the United Order, was practiced in the Bible. (Acts chpt 2.) The church believes modern communism is a satanic perversion of this. FYI! http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles/is-socialism-the-united-order/

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

        What many folks don’t realize when they make these comments about the United Order and a comparison with communism is that the United Order was instituted of Heavenly Father’s plan, not the plan of Karl Marx. There is no political objective in the United Order, other than that of the organizational, but the Marxist plan is PURE political, with all of the trappings and pitfalls of human nature. Whenever man decides that he doesn’t have any further need of God, and that he can do it all by his lonesome, therein lies the trap. Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, they all wanted to replace God by corrupting His plan and usurping His authority, placing themselves at the head of that “faith.”. That is why socialism and communism fails. It is initiated out of temporal and political desires only, with no thought to the spiritual connection to our Creator. Marxism is man trying to be a god on earth, without the authority.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

        What many folks don’t realize when they make these comments about the United Order and a comparison with communism is that the United Order was instituted of Heavenly Father’s plan, not the plan of Karl Marx. There is no political objective in the United Order, other than that of the organizational, but the Marxist plan is PURE political, with all of the trappings and pitfalls of human nature. Whenever man decides that he doesn’t have any further need of God, and that he can do it all by his lonesome, therein lies the trap. Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, they all wanted to replace God by corrupting His plan and usurping His authority, placing themselves at the head of that “faith.”. That is why socialism and communism fails. It is initiated out of temporal and political desires only, with no thought to the spiritual connection to our Creator. Marxism is man trying to be a god on earth, without the authority.

    • Anonymous

      Funny Nick. I’ve always thought of Communism as Satan’s counterfeit for the “United Order”. Surely you know that Satan has a counterfeit for almost every holy thing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanwin Ryan Winterton

        The difference is the United Order is not forced, communism is.

  • Anonymous

    Is the Mormon theology mythical or something tangible. Can it be backed up by the written word of God – the Holy Bible?

    What really puzzles me, is how many religious theologies exist the world over. All claiming, that theirs is the most pure, therefore, the most accurate transcript.

    In the Holy Bible, the One who calls Himself “Almighty”, throws us the simple request to “prove Me at my word” – What word? Well of course, the written word of God the Holy Bible.

    How do we do this, especially in this day of mass religious confusion?

    Prophecy is the answer. It is how we prove God is real, by the numerous things He inspired to be written in biblical content.

    What we see transpiring in the Middle East today was foretold thousands of years ago. How America would sell out its Allies in the region, including the tiny nation of Israel, but not them only, also nations such as Egypt and Ethiopia. This book of books, foretells our hazardous US foreign policy and how it will come back to haunt us in the very near future if we do not recognize our error.

    For example. Both US political parties do not have a clue, this, according to your own bible. Neither party is aware of the grave danger they have placed our people in of this great nation, especially over the past few years.

    If our leaders were to acknowledge God, they could easily avoid the troubling future of world events unfolding before all eyes, events that are rapidly turning in the favor of our worst enemies.

    To this day, American tax payers continue to give billions in foreign aid to Egypt. We helped topple a US friendly leader in Egypt ( calling him a dictator) and have since replaced him with the real deal, a leader who today, just a few months after his power grab – now controls Egypt with an mighty iron fist. A man who has hostile feelings for the US and our Allie Israel. This man has formed a military relationship with the worlds number one terror sponsoring nation – that of Iran, who by the way, is about to go nuclear. Is this sound leadership we have here in the States? With God in the minds of our political parties, these political blunders could be avoided, but on the contrary – our leaders lead us right through the door of national calamity and are fully unaware, in fact, they are quite fond of themselves for doing so.

    If our nation knew the God who challenges us to prove him. Not only would we be prosperous in all our endeavors around the world, we would not witness the carnage that transpires daily in every American major city from cost to cost.

    This failure to recognize reality then, falls directly on the heads of those who say they represent the God of Heaven. Our religious leaders of all faiths, have kept us in the dark and no wonder, they are all blind men grasping in the dark, who do not know God or anything about him.

    Because of fulfilled prophecy, our future is very troubling at best. To be more accurate – it is filled with destruction. Our national political policy is to throw God under the bus and our so called clergy have silently stood by and said nothing.

    Have we heard anything out of the Mormon church,. or for that matter any church, about what has transpired recently in Egypt or how it will directly effect the US?

    The Bible gives any willing to “prove it for themselves” clear decisive answers to all of today’s chaotic world conditions and how to solve our national problems and our problems around the globe. Actually, it is the voice of the written word of God Himself that guides us – that is – if one is willing to seek Him out and prove Him at His Word.

    God declares – “I will build my Church” – not churches mind you – not many – but one. It is up to the individual to find it, including our so-called religious leaders and also our political leaders. In that way only, can any individual be spared the troubling times just around the corner.

    • Anonymous

      Very good question. I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We have what we call a General Conference every 6 months. It is telecast to members of the church throughout the world. In this conference the prophet, Thomas S. Monson and the apostles and other church leaders address the membership of the Church with sometimes new revelation, but mostly it is reminding us of those things we have already been taught but are still struggling to internalize (on an individual basis). I always wait with baited breath to hear what they will say regarding political issues of the day. It is always the same.”The church does not affiliate with political parties or endorse candidates for office. We encourage members to become well-educated about the candidates and vote for those who most closely represent theirr values. It is our civic duty to vote.” That is pretty much as political as it ever gets.
      But know this. There is no other religion that teaches that this land was a chosen land, discovered and founded as a nation through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (see the Book of Mormon). There is no faith which adores the U.S. Constitution as much as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

      I’ve come to realize that the work of the prophet is to bring forth God’s truth – to work as the mouthpiece of the Savior.
      If you listen to church leaders and read the scriptures, you know what is right and wrong. You know where to stand on issues….. If you are informed (as we are encouraged to be) of what is happening.

      Our church leaders are not now, nor will they be political leaders. If they were, the word which they preach and teach would become corrupt. They would become like the popes of the dark ages where political power was a source of evil deeds.
      Political power was not something sought by Christ. He simply taught us what is right in His eternal kingdom. He continues to do that today. The pure in heart will inherit that kingdom. What we deal with today is important, but we must remember that it is temporary. We must also remember, as individuals that we will be accountable for standing up for liberty. Liberty is God’s gift to his children.

      • Anonymous

        Well I’m impressed at least with your convictions, although the true church of God founded by Christ himself, reveals our nation is a very special place and our people have a long history with him, even though the great majority of our people do not understand that relationship. But our American journey with God, is well documented throughout the bible. Most of us simply refuse to look or prove things for themselves, electing the easy road of following smooth talking men, having clever sounding speech is where most of our fellows have traveled. Never follow a man, it will get one in trouble every time – but set your eyes on high for the true light of Gods word.

        As I stated (above post), there is much written about our people and much of it is yet future. Our nation is in deep trouble and we will soon be faced with problems never thought possible. If these soon coming events do not turn our nation to God – then things will go from bad to worse. The good news after all is said and done – all men will know God and will repent of their stiff-necked and stubborn ways.

        Christ’s kingdom is not of this age, although his coming kingdom will soon encompass the whole earth. Afterwards, the Father will also make his home here on the earth and it will become the center of Godly power forever and ever throughout all eternity.

      • Anonymous

        Well I’m impressed at least with your convictions, although the true church of God founded by Christ himself, reveals our nation is a very special place and our people have a long history with him, even though the great majority of our people do not understand that relationship. But our American journey with God, is well documented throughout the bible. Most of us simply refuse to look or prove things for themselves, electing the easy road of following smooth talking men, having clever sounding speech is where most of our fellows have traveled. Never follow a man, it will get one in trouble every time – but set your eyes on high for the true light of Gods word.

        As I stated (above post), there is much written about our people and much of it is yet future. Our nation is in deep trouble and we will soon be faced with problems never thought possible. If these soon coming events do not turn our nation to God – then things will go from bad to worse. The good news after all is said and done – all men will know God and will repent of their stiff-necked and stubborn ways.

        Christ’s kingdom is not of this age, although his coming kingdom will soon encompass the whole earth. Afterwards, the Father will also make his home here on the earth and it will become the center of Godly power forever and ever throughout all eternity.

  • Larry N

    Glenn – I believe I owe you an apology. Though traditional Christian doctrine and LDS theology and belief systems differ in some ways, they are a lot alike. Though I love you and listen to you and am a subscriber to your network, I had pretty much labeled you a weirdo on the faith front. If you had not done the show last night I would not have realized some important things about what you and I hold in common, namely – Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Thanks for your courage Glenn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

      do not forget, they believe that one day they will be a God of their own universe. They do not believe in Jesus Christ like christians believe in Jesus Christ. Don’t let the use of the same “words” christians use that they are the same.

      • Andrew

        I think you need to do a little more research before putting your foot in your own mouth.

      • Andrew

        I think you need to do a little more research before putting your foot in your own mouth.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        One of the younger guys got too fired up below and admitted this: “And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace
        alone. No, my friend” … Despite Ephesians 2:8-10 which fully in context states exactly the opposite. Of course Christians know that faith without works is dead, and most probably believe that “dead faith” is not gonna get anyone into Heaven, but legalism is what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for, and yet Bro Joe decided we didn’t have enough of it in the 4 Gospels, so he wrote his own. It is infuriating that a false prophet would be adored by such nice folks.

        • http://www.facebook.com/todd.andrus Todd Andrus

          That’s whole point he’s not a false prophet.

        • http://twitter.com/1amus9 Alfred Musgrave

          The younger guy below admitted truth. Faith without works is dead. The absolutely true juxtaposition to that is that no matter how hard you work, you still need the saving grace of Christ to ascend to the Father during the resurrection of the just. Salvation is a gift, however, like any other gift, you can use it, put it away in a dark corner never to be seen again, or toss it out like common trash. If the choice of action and consequence were taken from us, there would be no point in us being born on earth to develop to our divine potential. That, Celebrity, it what I know to be true as a Latter Day Saint (Mormon).

        • http://twitter.com/debwards1 Deb Naatjes

          Actually, I find it hard to believe a 14 yr old boy could write a book of scripture in a short period of time, all alone, for one. But, the Book of Mormon does not trump the Bible, it works hand in hand with it. It in no way disputes what happened in the Bible but supports it. The Book of Mormon is simply a Testament of Christ’s visit to the America’s Again, why is it hard to believe the Savior would visit His people on another continent?

          • http://twitter.com/jslade Jeremy Slade

            Joseph Smith’s “First Vision” occurred when he was 14 (April 1820). Moroni’s first visit was in 1823, but Joseph didn’t actually receive the golden plates containing the record until 4 years later. The Book of Mormon was first published in 1830, when he was in his mid-twenties.

            I, too, believe it is inconceivable that the Book of Mormon was written by an un-educated farm boy. But whether you believe he wrote it or translated it via the power of God, it didn’t happen when he was 14

        • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.conners Spencer Conners

          Celebrity Smack, have you considered a possibility that the Lord gave instructions to Joseph, and that Joseph simply obeyed? If the Book of Mormon is in fact an authentic record of peoples on the ancient American continent, then clearly God has a purpose in it.
          But how do we know it is legit? Same way we learn that the Bible is true. We test the words and ideas it contains. Study it, pray about it, live by its teachings, and listen for the still small voice that draws you closer to Jesus Christ. Right?

          I believe that the Bible is true. It has survived the ages in remarkable condition, and is responsible for bringing countless souls to the knowledge of Christ. But I think it is a mistake to declare that God never intended for any other written scripture. If God has reason to inspire other prophets and apostles to write their testimonies of Christ, then who are we to refuse to accept more when God reveals more?

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            I appreciate your respect, and will just leave you with this. All of the other Gospels are believed to be firsthand. Joe’s BoM is like Scrooge’s trip with the “ghost of Christmas past” escorted by Macaroni instead. Of course I’ve considered it, what does Macaroni ask everyone to do at the end of da BoM? I then summarily dismissed it as precisely what I’ve already said: the ranting deception of a false profit in a demonic attempt to re-establish Pharisee like legalism. Christ gave us ALL we needed, He says so Himself. If He is not sufficient, then your theology is false. You can claim that He is sufficient, but that just doesn’t fit with the teachings. I pray that the scales will fall away, and that you will see that you do not need anything else but Jesus. You don’t need Joe, you don’t need elders, access to the temple, magic underwear, golden glasses, magic tablets, Macaroni, or any other delusion to follow Jesus. The veil was RIPPED for a reason. We worship God in Spirit and in Truth, nothing else matters.

            I realize you have been made to feel “special” and to believe that without da BoM you are nothing. That without the elders and Papa Joe you are nothing… but that is not true.

          • http://www.facebook.com/eileen.mchaffiehansen Eileen Mc Haffie-Hansen

            @celebrity smack: I have a question for you, does it make you feel like your all that, because you call Joseph Smith “Joe” and “Papa Joe” and Moroni “Macaroni” ? To me you sound like a little kid calling someone a name, or are you that ignorant that you think that his name is really “Macaroni”?

          • Jeremy

            It’s not that members of the LDS faith believe that they “need” Joseph Smith, ecclesiastical leaders, garments, or the Book of Mormon, it’s that God has provided these things to his children in the last days, just as he has done since Adam, so that they could better understand God’s plan for them. Why would anyone refuse things that God wants you to have today in favor of things God gave his children centuries ago?

            You did make one comment that rings quite true, though. Without modern day prophets and the Book of Mormon (or if the Book of Mormon were false), the LDS Church would truly be “nothing” as you suggest. In fact it would be just like every other Christian denomination where men feebly attempt to interpret scripture without the divine guidance of an apostle or a prophet, and the Bible would have to stand on its own in direct contradiction to 2 Cor 13:1 which requires two witnesses to establish any eternal truth.

          • tony

            It really makes it difficult to take your comments seriously when you show such disrespect to someone we believe is a Prophet of God by calling him only by a nickname, or by your sarcasm. It’s impossible to discuss this in a mature manner with an immature person. Please grow up before expressing your opinion on this subject.

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            @tony, I’m not sorry if I offended your delicate sensitivities, I’ve said it before and say it again. Piety be damned. That “cringe” you feel is not the Holy Spirit, it is indoctrination. Something more akin to good manners than any supernatural indwelling.

            The Holy Spirit is much too intangible to be so predictable as legalistic indoctrination. It is like the wind, and those born of It are the same as well. Legalism rejects the freedom of the Spirit, and replaces it with tangibility that our flesh craves. Unfortunately, worshiping in “Spirit” and in “Truth” is quite different from flesh. You cannot feed them both. This is what people are ever seeing but never perceiving.

            My snark is something that I’m quite proud of to be sure. It is a gift from God to separate bone from marrow, and for those who cannot see beyond the skin itself, at least it is entertaining too. I call Moroni “Macaroni” because I am ridiculing the name. It’s not real, not anywhere in history (cept in Italy where someone apparently invented it due to deficient spelling ability), yet two people have that name in da BoM. I guess false prophets get writer’s block too. If you cannot get beyond your own indoctrinated piety to appreciate the significance then just stick a feather in your cap and laugh because Macaroni is a funny word. Almost as funny as Moroni, which is gawdawfully close to a drunken mispronunciation of the word Mormon.

            The people in the real Gospels, have real names. Names of people from that time period and again, we didn’t wait around for 2000 or in the case of da BoM 1400ish years for someone to finally be worthy to “uncover” them. It is a lie, a fact that the Holy Spirit confirms. Your relationships are not a lie, your friends, your family, they are not lies. It’s Joe that is the lie. (using the name “Joe” removes the false significance of this man and reminds us that he’s a plain ole guy who happened to be quite good at lying) Eternal marriage? Tell me Joe, whose wife will she be again? His editors missed that, among so many contradictions. In Heaven we are like the Angels, we are NOT married. (yes I took the liberty to tweak Jesus’ words, because it is the truth. Angels DON’T marry it wasn’t some doublespeak for staying married to your first wife forever) Please reject “the other” testament and come back to the fold, like chicks under Jesus’ wings. You do have a thing or two to teach the Christians, but it has nothing to do with legalism, pasta, or fairy tales.

          • Natalee

            “God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ” -Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).
            You can keep fallowing this guy… I will fallow the words and works of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXQSDNBT3POK3P2VLPKVWAOQDY Anonymous

            But DNA and archaeological evidence prove the Bible. The Book of Mormon has been refuted by both.

        • http://www.facebook.com/zielkee Evelyn Zielke

          Celebrity Smack, consider the Book of Mormon in light of Ezekial 37:

          “16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
          17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.”
          Ancient scripture was written on scrolls commonly referred to as ‘sticks.’ This passage in Ezekial is prophecy about two books of scripture that provide the 2 or more witnesses necessary to establish the truth. (2nd Corinthians 13:1 In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

        • http://www.facebook.com/sallymyhorse W Thomas Lamb

          Faith without works, is dead this comes from chapter 2 of the Epistle of James, the so called brother of the Lord. Who I believe was a son of the widower Joseph. Joseph adopted Jesus by naming Him. No proof that he was ever a disciple of Jesus. http://www.abu.nb.ca/courses/ntintro/Jas.htm

          John Kerry used this in his debate with George W. Bush

          James uses as examples Rehab the Prostitute, however she and her family were saved by binding a line of scarlet thread in the window JOS 2:18.

          Abraham before he started up the hill with Issac, said we will be back Gen 22:5.

          I believe you are saved 100% by GRACE, (Jesus gets all the credit you get none) that Jesus shed his blood for all that he might select those by their faith for his Kingdom. Many are called few are Chosen.

      • Terri Rice

        With all due respect to your own beliefs, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, I believe he came here to earth and will come again, I believe that he is my savior and redeemer and only through him can I find salvations and grace, I believe that the my Savior loves me, watches over me along with my Father in Heaven and that he wants me to love others the same way that he does, and finally, I believe that only through Jesus Christ can I repent daily of my sins and find perfection only through him. I believe that makes me a Christian and I am a Mormon. Just thought I would share my testimony of our Savior whom I love and carry in my heart daily!

        • http://www.facebook.com/terryann.spratt Terry Ann Ramirez Spratt

          Thank’s for that. You have answered so many of my questions!

          • http://twitter.com/AliceBartell Alice Bartell

            Why would He call us His children, and then tell us to be like our Father, which is in Heaven? In the course of eternal life, and in the millions of years ahead of us, can’t we become more like Him? http://knightDeal.blogspot.com

          • Anonymous

            Hi Alice, we are to become more like Him, but in his earthly form as his own son are we to be his sons and daughters, we are not to be like Him as the ruler of a universe, we are to become as liken to Angels to spend eternity happily praising GOD our Heavenly Father. GOD bless you and yours.

            Benjamin Franklin

        • Natalee

          The problem is.. You don’t believe in the same Jesus Christ as Traditional Christians do… You can use the name Jesus Christ in this manor and people don’t question it because it sounds like a christian statment… but your Jesus Christ and Christians Jesus Christ are two different people. You believe in a different God, a God who contridicts who the Bible says he is.
          Just the sheer fact that you say Jesus gives you Grace, and that he gives you the right to repent daily condridict eachother.
          Mormons are not Christians, they have good qualities but it makes me sad to read all these posts saying how the book of mormon trumps the bible.. But the bible is certifiable, it is Gods word.. we have many proofs of Biblical writtings… and absolutely none which certify the BOM.
          as far as polygamy goes, it is still practiced in the mainstreem church just only threw temple marraiges, for now.. read D&C 132.. Want to know the truth go to Deseret book, and pick up the original BOM uncut pages. compair it to your current book… over 4000 changes not jut in spelling and grammar, but also in doctrine too.

          • http://www.facebook.com/sharon.marsoun Sharon Hudson Marsoun

            How can you say we don’t believe in the same Jesus Christ? How many are there? We believe that there is only one Only Begotten Son of the Father. Mormons are indeed Christians. We believe in Christ, we teach of Christ, we are disciples of Christ. We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. What did you say the name of your church is? Is it called after His name, or the name of some other? We also beleve the Bible to be the Word of God, as far as it is translated correctly. And, yes, we do believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, as it is another testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Chrit. It is absolutely not true that polygamy is practiced in the mainstream church, which is at least the 3rd falsehood you’ve mentioned. And if you’re going to lie to everyone about that, what else will you lie about?

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            What’s wrong with polygamy?

            I mean seriously. America is allowing homosexual marriages, but dares to condemn polygamy? Last I checked the Bible never condemns polygamy and in fact, most of the characters in the Old Testament generally had multiple wives and there really isn’t any other way to “be fruitful and multiply” faster than polygamy.

          • Anonymous

            Jesus says God defines marriage as between ONE man and ONE woman but the Jewish people rejected that teaching (Matthew 19:1-12) and He, Jesus, is reinstating it so that people are not confused. Apparently, the Mormon Church is still confused. its leaders have always been deceitful about their doctrines.

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            Matthew 19 makes no mention WHATSOEVER of polygamy, but rather it’s discussing lust and ABANDONING your first wife to get a new one, that’s very different from what we are discussing.

            And actually if anything Matthew 19 is proof in point of polygamy’s use, Jesus is basically saying not to divorce people but that man is fallible and so will want a new wife. Polygamy would basically be a compromise there since the sin is divorcing in the first place. Polygamy has never once been condemned by Jesus, God, Allah, or any other of the Abrahamic faiths.

            And polygamy is still in Christianity’s doctrine, just not in the churches which have banned it out of social pressure.

          • Anonymous

            I just whipped out my Bible to check this out. FilmDoctor, I’m finding that although this passage does imply marriage between a man and a woman, and that they do indeed become ‘one’ flesh, that it does not state that “Jesus says God defines marriage as between ONE man and ONE woman”.
            Further, I believe the teaching in this passage is on divorce, not marriage. Regarding divorce, Jesus here states that although Moses allowed divorce for many reasons, “because their (your) hearts were hard”, it was not like that from the beginning (when God brought Eve to Adam and performed the first marriage). In the beginning God said, ” What God (I) have joined together, let not man separate (put asunder). I don’t see an exception there!
            It appears that Jesus goes on to tell them that there is one exception, according to His teaching here, and that is that “anyone who divorces his wife except for marital unfaithfulness, AND MARRIES ANOTHER woman, commits adultery”. Basically, their response was something like, “Holy cow! If I can’t divorce her for burning my toast or not ironing my shorts, it’s just not worth getting married”. :-) That’s humorous, but it wasn’t far different from that. They could, before Jesus’ teaching here, divorce for about any reason whatever. Jesus was not quite reinstating the original teaching of God, but was making it much more strict than in Moses’ day.

          • Anonymous

            actually you should read your bible closer. all of the polygamists in the bible suffered greatly. it never went well for them… and read even more closely and the bible teaches one right man for one right woman…but i get what your saying … to my knowledge polygamy in the bible is not a sin where as homosexuality is a sin…

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            That’s incorrect. The bible consistently mentions it without negative connotation. Exodus 21:10 basically tells men to take care of the second wife equally with the first (as far as food, clothes, etc.) but no negative connotation. And almost every main character in the Bible “suffered greatly” so that argument is not effective.

            If you read your Bible as you suggest I do, you’d know that.

          • Anonymous

            Show me one man that followed Jesus that had more than one wife in the new testament, all believers had only one wife as was the teachings of Jesus. Seems like the Mormon faith always has one who wants revival of the polygamist ways and even to the point of kidnapping young girls to become members of their clan professing old Mormon ways. I knew a man that had two wives that had no knowledge of each other until they shared the same room in the hospital maternity ward and when the nurse called the last name on the chart, they both answered. Uh, Oh! Have a nice day.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Ramsey/100000074646309 Donald Ramsey

            Actually the Bible does instruct against polygamy in several places in the Old Testament and the New Testament. The fact that several of the characters in the OT failed in this regard does not negate the instruction. Polygamy is simply a violation of the intention of God regarding marriage; as is divorce and remarriage. It does happen and God still graciously offers His mercy and forgiveness in spite of our failures. I’m not trying to argue, just pointing out your factual mistake.

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            the bible commands prophets in the bible to take second wives. read up on how the twelve tribes of israel came to be

          • Anonymous

            The bible doesn’t say multiply like Speedy Gonzales or rabbits, it merely states to be fruitful and multiply. Let me think, how many wives did Adam have, two, three, four and if so where did he hide them from GOD when they took their walks together?
            That is one thing homosexuals cannot do except by indoctrination of those weaker and more susceptible to their perverted lifestyle.

            As for me, I can only take nagging from one wife, not a dozen or so. I take a long walk before an argument ensues and usually upon my return there is loving and maybe my favorite dish on the table.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Natalee

            I am a CHRISTian. I don’t need a church to tell me how to worship, I believe God’s word (the bible) my “church” is the body of Christ. Christ came and died for me, and I am free and saved because of his Grace and his Grace alone.
            Now answer me this, Is polygamy not practiced in the temple marriages still? Can’t one man be eternaly married to more then one woman but no woman to more then one man, in your temples?
            You believe that Jesus Christ was begotten from a man of flesh and bone (God) a sinner, a man who was exhaulted. This is not what the bible says. God is a spirit, and Jesus taught us that a spirit has no flesh and bone.
            You belive that God is Jesus’ father, Jesus is our brother, as well as satan are both Gods children both our brothers. You believe that you can be equal to God the human being if you are good enough and do enough for your church while on earth. Is this not true?
            Im not letting this sway my vote, I want Obama OUT… but I hate the swing and swim that happens when the “myths” are brought into discussion about the LDS religon. Its your history, Own it.

          • Anonymous

            Satan was NOT Jesus’ brother. YOu need to re-read Genesis Sharon.

          • http://www.facebook.com/zielkee Evelyn Zielke

            No, Natalee, temple marriage doesn’t work in an unequal manner. In our temple work for the dead, all spouses are sealed to all of their spouses, and we figure the Lord will sort it all out. Also, we believe Jesus created everything through Heavenly Father’s power, and by giving us accountability and sending the Lord to atone for our sins, we have the opportunity, if we keep His commandments, to return to His presence and live with Him as eternal families. “His” refers equally to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ because they are identical in attributes, power, etc., while still being separate beings. CS Lewis (Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe fame) said that Jesus obviously wants us to receive some kind of perfection because He said he wants to make us “one” with him.

          • Natalee

            So you believe that your works, will be sorted out by God later? you don’t think that God is big enough, and smart enough to figure it all out without your works? That is not what Jesus taught. Jesus promised us that his words would never be lost. He promised us in the Bible that he would keep his word together. You don’t think he is big enough to keep his promises? ULTM.org, check it out, know your history. I do believe that LDS can truely have a wonderful relationship with Jesus, I don’t believe all LDS have the “wrong idea” I only wish for my LDS friends to know the freedom that Jesus promised us when we come to know him. Remember Faith, without works is dead… not the other way around.

          • Anonymous

            Natalee, please say that you are not married, I have fallen deeply in love with you. I love your mind and the words that come from it. I love that you love GOD and Christ. You remind me so much of another who used to have her GOD’s little corner in a flea market building where she would tell people about GOD and what He could and would do for them if they would accept His son Jesus Christ. She had many successes to her endeavors and some of those she turned to Christ did the same with their friends. she sold religious items at her booth like t-shirts with religious sayings on them. She had her own T-shirt printing press that I bought for her that saved her a lot of money now that she didn’t have to order the shirts from others. She was know as Sister Charlotte by all who knew and loved her. I do miss her since she moved away, she was a big part of my life. I want to know you and make you a big part of my life in our Christian walk with our Lord. Dare I say it, yes I dare, LOVE AND KISSES.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Anonymous

            And God breathed into Adam making in him a living soul. In other words your soul is GOD’s breath that no matter where your physical body will end up judgement day, your soul returns to GOD. If you accept Christ as your Savior and live a Christian life you will be like Christ, you will have a body like His, a heavenly body denoting no sexual attributes. Christ in Heaven is not the same Christ known on earth in His physical form nor will all those whom are sainted followers of Christ, we will all be the same, transformed into His likeness. I believe at that time he will be a separate entity from GOD as GOD is the universe and in fact He is all the universes if there is more than one. Like the little girl who went to Heaven and returned said GOD is big and can hold the world in His hand. In the new Jerusalem Christ will reign over us and will therefore be separate from GOD but only in His physical form, He will still be GOD in His spiritual form. You are correct in one thing, that they are equal in attributes and power and why, because they are one, Father Son and Holy Ghost. The Father that makes up the entire universe, the son that is GOD come to earth in human form to die for man’s sins and the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of Christ, the comforter he left with us to guide us and provide for us in our Christian walk. The blessed trinity has nothing to do with politicians, your angry men. Evelyn, regarding the BOM let me point you to Rev. 22: 18-19 This also takes in account the Watch tower, the Koran and other false teachings. What happened to the gold plates? Have you picked out which planet you will rule? How about a nice steaming cup of coffee? Have a nice day.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Amy

            @ Natalee, I find it interesting that in your church you believe that God can hear prayers but has no power to answer them individually. Your interpretation of the bible is based purely upon conjecture. It is made up.You read the bible, study the bible, but do not understand the meaning of the bible. As a result, you come up with your own meanings. You deny ordinances like baptism even though it is clearly commanded in the bible. You claim you are a “Christian” but persecute anyone who believes differently from you, claiming that they are not christian, as if you had the authority to decide what someone believes based on the made-up definitions you derive from the bible. You claim Catholics are not Christian, any Protestant faith that does not believe in the trinity, you claim are not Christian. You derive your belief in the nature of God from the Nicene creed, when a bunch of confused and angry men sat around a table and wrote down contracting nonsense to pacify the masses.

          • Natalee

            Seems you are putting words in my mouth here. and thats okay.. I respect your opinion.. I am confidant in my beliefs.. and I respect that others are in theirs. Doesn’t mean i have to agree with them, and if I feel the need or desire to whitness to them I will… just like those missionaries that knock on my door and tell me my beliefs are wrong. I didn’t say I dont attend a church, my day is mostly filled with different christian teachings and teachers. I attend bible studdies, I attend a non denominational church… Also absolutely believe that God has enough power to answer my (and everyone’s) prayers individually. I have no idea where you took that from. Just because I call things out like they are, doesn’t mean Im persecuting anyone… I appreciate truth, not spin.

          • Amy

            Regarding not receiving answers to prayers, do you believe that an individual can pray to God about which church to attend and receive a confirmation? From what others of your faith have told me, you do not. You believe that if you pray to God for those things, the devil will answer you. Your tactics of “witnessing” are nothing like Mormon missionaries. They walk door to door offering to teach about what Mormons believe. People like you go around teaching false information about what others believe. When people try to defend what they believe, you ignore presented information and attempt to tear people down. That is persecution. When presented with questions about your own faith, you change the subject and repeat what your preacher told you, going on blind faith. I know this because I have family who claim to be “Christians” like yourself. At a family gathering, they sat around me in a circle and started asking me questions, as if they were really curious. But they are not curious. They follow their pastor and do what he says, trying to find ways to tear a person down. It didn’t work, mind you, and I don’t believe doing that to anyone is ant evidence of real Christianity.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            Well said!

          • Jeremy

            Natalee, the Bible does not teach the Trinity. The Trinity is a doctrine invented by man at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, which council was not held through an ecclesiastical leadership, but was instead was organized Constantine, the pagan emperor of Rome. Re-read John 17 and ask yourself how Jesus’ intercessory prayer can be read into the Nicene Creed. It cannot. If you truly believe in the Bible, then you will reject the post-Biblical creeds which find no doctrinal basis in the pages of the Bible.

          • Natalee

            I know the bible didn’t teach the “Trinity”.. But when I read the bible I read the concept all over the bible… I also read LDS here saying they believe the same conept… its refreshing… 3 beings, one in mind. I guess everyone has a different interpretation.. Jeremy I will read your suggestion. with an open mind… happily. thank you.

          • Anonymous

            Jeremy, read my comment to Evelyn, you my friend are so wrong, the bible does teach the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/connie.hammond.925 Connie Hammond

            How can a spirit eat fesh. Jesus ate with his disciples after he arose from the grave.

          • Anonymous

            My mom joined the LDS Church and her new husband took her to the temple. I ask who would I be sealed to her new husband or my dad that was not LDS. I was told I could be sealed to both and it would be settled in heaven. All of the Temple work is done so these choices can be made when we understand everything up there. Everything is still our choice but the work must be done by proxies in the flesh. I agree that their is only one Christian Church and it is the body of Christ and anyone that excepts that will be excepted by him no matter what church they attend on earth Even or especially the LDSs. Your Bigotry is not binding on Christ.

          • Natalee

            So your Mom was sealed to your Father, and her new husband? I doubt it. You are sealed to your Mom, because you’re her child, however if your Dad hasn’t been baptised, and sealed in the temple you are not and can not be sealed to him. My Dad, myself and my siblings where sealed to my step mom.. I was always told that they believed that God would sort things out with my Mom in the after life.. (my dad is in the process of being sealed to her as well) however that isn’t docerine.. its just something they tell you to make you feel better… If your Dad has passed, they can baptize him for the dead, and seal him to another single woman or group of women so that he can choose to accept it or not in heaven… then perhaps you would also be sealed to him because you are his child… either way… I have faith that the Lord alone has a plan for us… the bible says there is no marriage in heaven.. He must have better things planned for us. then marriage and making babies for our own worlds.

          • Anonymous

            Natalee, are you married, I am in love with you and if Al Gore is successful in his endeavor to get 38 states to abolish the Electoral College I will be a shoo-in by both parties for the presidential seat as I will put my plan for America on a web site. I did enter it as a comment on the patriot page a while back and received an immediate 4,509 “like” hits. People from both parties like what I propose and I am certain I can garner 140,000,000 write ins to put me over the top with the electorates removed as they would be the only thing that would stop me as their removal is part of my plan. I have already selected my running mate for VP, but not a staunch mate that would be by my side. If you haven’t already read it, -here it is.

            No money, only guts
            I am not a person of wealth to butt heads in political debates and to openly declare my aspirations for putting America back on course and gain back the respect of other nations. To do this, I will need the American people to back me wholeheartedly. I am an honest man and as my ex wife once told me that I would be a very rich man if I were not afraid to step on others. I have served my country honorably in three branches of service and wear my Korea Veterans cap to remind people we are not the “forgotten vets” as the media has portrayed us. General George Washington was a write in candidate for the presidency so there would be no precedent on my part if I were to win that seat.

            Following are my plans for my platform, ” A much smaller and smarter government”.

            Alright America, as to my plan to bring our country back to an even keel and gain back the respect of other nations who have been Kow-Towed to by our change and hope so called president. His change is for a predominately homosexual government body and his hope is for tyrannical rule over us.

            As our forefathers instruct us in the Declaration of Independence to oust a form of government harming the people and install a new form. With your help we can initiate a form of selection, not election that will have no need of the electoral college, the biggest political crooks. In this manner, those in their peak both physically and mentally in the age group of 30 to 50, the first year may or someone else can submit their name to their district office where as thousands of names will be entered if not millions. Year two they will be screened by a panel of clergy to eject all undesirables. Year three tested by experts in all fields with process of elimination to arrive with one person from each state. These fifty in year four will enter a large chamber and each to a cubicle with computer and video-cam. Computer has another series of tests more stringent than previously taken, video cam is for eyes of world to pan cubicles to view facial expressions and body movements of those being tested. Highest scorer is new president with each lessening of scores to fill new government cabinet. The forty nine will have access to a large computer bank and they will be advisors and afilliates to the president. None will have a personal staff.
            Benjamin Franklin during those four years will, with out a salary put America back on course. First to obliterate Obamacare and since we are not in Russia dump the czars. Next we ” can” T.S.A., E.P.A., N.E.A. and any other agency not performing a real service. Everyone will be placed on a 13% flat tax. Make a million, pay 13%, make a thousand, pay 13% , no tax shelters or credits. If you are being paid a wage, you pay taxes. This will result in approximately an 80% reduction in the I.R.S. compliment with an option to continue working in uniform with U.S. troops returned from policing countries unwarranted to police our own borders against illegal entry.
            To countries the present administration has indebted us to for billions of dollars, inform them that what has been received is partial payment of what they owe us from WWII and to write it off. And, to those corporations that took advantage of us through NAFTA to utilize slave labor leaving minimal employment here that if they manufacture in other countries, they sell their products in other countries, not here and if they opt to return and pay the American worker a decent living wage, they are welcome. Where there is oil, drill and some of the more abundant petroleum properties are federally owned going against the constitution whereas the government is not to own property other than property deemed by the American people to be a National park or monument. All other such properties will be auctioned to the highest private American buyer, no foreign entities allowed.
            Upon learning that the United Nations are the issuers of social security numbers and have complete domination over the I.M.F. and the I.R.S. with American taxpayers picking up the major funding for it’s existence and that now it consist mainly of Islamic nations who would enslave us, I feel it time to pull the plug along with our hard earned tax dollars funding these Godless Idol worshipers and turn over to U.S. agencies activities that should be performed by them such as the issuance of S.S. numbers by the Social Security Administration. It is no wonder illegals are able to draw benefits with out ever having worked here. However, I do feel that those having lived here for a period of five years and are contributing to our nation to be schooled for a period of six months on U.S. History, cultures and our language and then sworn in as American citizens. Refusals to be deported with families.
            Welfare to be enacted by certain churches in each community with subsidization from the government. For those who are qualified by a physician appointed by the church, will receive supplementary assistance, all others advised to seek employment. (There will be some exceptions)

            Mr. Franklin will serve his four years (without salary as did President George Washington) to implement his plan and when his term has expired, put a petition on the internet for America to sign to end the two party system on a National level while maintaining on local and state levels to preserve a balance. This action will send the career politicians packing making way for fifty honest people being groomed to lead the people, not rule with salary approved by the people to a more abundant and brighter future and at the end of their four years receive a generous severance package making room for next 50 being groomed.

            What I have written here to be executed by the powers of the office will in fact cause all worthwhile proposals by other candidates to fall in place without the expense of a huge war chest. All that is needed is for America to wake up and head us in the right direction for a more prosperous and brighter future for coming generations to seek Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

            Taking note of the movie “Going Home”, that sometimes there is no home to go back to after returning from battle and no job. This has been ongoing for years, After returning from Korea I read in the want ads, “NO FEE FOR SPECIAL SITUATIONS”. The man had a long list of jobs that I was qualified for so I told him I was a Korea vet with a wife and two small children, would that qualify me for the “NO FEE”? He said it would not and that the no fee jobs were for relations out of work. After a few choice words with the fat slob, I paid the fee. If elected, I will have congress put into law that when a person is absent from employment due to deployment to foreign soil,his position to be filled by temporary employment until he is fully reinstated.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Natalee

            Funny when I was on here last night none of these posts where showing, I would get them in my email, but I thought they where being deleted.. I speak in the truths I have not only come to know, but truth and fact.. I have had to do a LOT of research because it was so hard when I was set free to get the “if you deny the only true church, you will spend eternity in outer darkness” out of my head… I had to research it all to reassure my guidance was true, and the teachings I was raised on where brain washings… yes I said it, brain washings. That is why the church has come out and advised people not to allow children to bare their testimonies anymore in church meetings.. because when you stand up, and whisper into a childs ear what they believe before they say it.. its not a testimony its you feeding the belief to them.
            Mr Benjamin, I appreciate your kind words!! Thank you so much, I felt like I was being pounded last night when all the hateful name calling came about by members. Nice to have support. :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

            I know nothing about Mormon teachings but, it sure sounds like you believe just about the same as Catholic’s . God will take all good people who believe !!! And you sound like you are very good.. See you in Heaven .

          • Anonymous

            Alice, you won’t see Sharon in Heaven because she will not be there, she will have her own planet to rule as it’s god. That is the Mormon belief. Have a nice day

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Bot Bot

            . Christ’s church must
            bear the name of Jesus Christ (Eph 5:23)

          • Anonymous

            You’re nuts, you are misinterpreting which is a dangerous thing to do, you are adding to GOD’s word that he forbids, Rev. 22: 18-19 It says the husband is head of his wife as Christ is head of the church, nothing about his name being added to the church. However my church carries the name of our Heavenly Father GOD.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

            thank you

          • Anonymous

            Let me refer you to Rev. 22: 18-19 then tell me that the BOM is from GOD. Where are the gold plates, have you picked out the planet you want to rule yet? Do you wear long Johns in 102 % weather or are you not an elder?

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Ramsey/100000074646309 Donald Ramsey

            Sharon, have you ever read the “Doctrines and Covenants”? Or the teachings of Joseph Smith? If you will do so, you will see the falsehood that Glenn Beck just promoted. He is not correct on that issue for sure. Now, I grant that the majority of LDS churches or representatives of Mormonism do not practice polygamy, nor am I saying they should, I’m just referring to the facts of history. YOUR church’s history. Look it up, I have read it for myself.

          • http://twitter.com/debwards1 Deb Naatjes

            Mormons do believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They do not believe in a 3 in 1 scenario. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is a separate and distinct being, and that God is His Father. That they are one in mind & purpose, but physically separate beings. Not sure what is so weird about that. I actually think it makes a lot of sense.

          • http://www.facebook.com/rich.wiley.9 Rich Wiley

            You are correct Deb. They do not accept the Trinity as defined by historical Christianity. 3 Gods, not One. Certainly not the only difference, but a big one where I come from.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

            you have always known this is the truth from the beginning, but some people become to much in the world and just forget the truth

          • Anonymous

            Poor, poor Deb, Jesus was GOD come to earth in human form to die for mans sins if we believe in Father, Son and Holy Ghost, the blessed trinity is one, they are not separate entities. Like I said, Jesus was God in human form and the Holy Ghost is Christ in spiritual form as he stated when he departed he would leave a comforter in his place, that being He in spirit and He, Christ being also GOD in human form. That combines all three into one. Jason had the golden fleece, a nice comforter to stave off the cold, but that is not the kind of comforter Jesus said he would leave with us. He was speaking of Himself in spiritual form to guide us and provide us with the gifts sent down from GOD our Heavenly Father. Seek out GOD in His word and not the BOM written by man with lies from within man such as the gold plates or Mormons becoming gods with their own planet to rule and a myriad of other fables that defy the true GOD and His teachings, one being that neither add to nor take from His word, ie. BOM. Jesus taught in parables to the multitude with them knowing them to be just that stories, but the BOM teaches parables as fact. Do yourself a favor, visit a church that teaches from GOD’s word and take note that there is no similarity to the BOM if you want to truly be a child of GOD. I am a member of the same church since 1947 that has evolved from a shade tree to one that supports more missionaries than any other church and has planted more churches world wide than any other church and even though Obama’s Uncle and cousin burned all of our churches in Kenya with the people, both believers as well as none believers who sought refuge in them. Today, three years later, they are being rebuilt bigger and with even more converts to Christianity than before. There must be a reason why the Assembly of GOD church is the fastest growing church worldwide and converting more non-believers to Christ than any other denomination. Maybe if you seek out an Assembly of GOD church in your city you just might join the throng. There was one Islamic town of less than a thousand population that murdered seven Christians five years ago that today has a lone Assembly of GOD church that is filled with believers. In another Islamic town a total of the congregation of a mosque including the Imam have converted to Christianity and the mosque is now a church. O.K. nuff said, GOD bless you and yours.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.conners Spencer Conners

            There’s no problem here Natalee. Terri R spoke truth. But you may have a prejudice that does not allow you to accept a Mormon’s declaration of faith in Jesus Christ.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Billy-Bob/100003136573348 Billy Bob

            I disagree with you but then I am Catholic and we believe in confession, which is between you and god, you don’t need a priest. But it allows us to repent as often as we wish, as long as we are take actions to avoid the offending behavior. But then if you tell me that Catholics are not Christians which I have heard before….. It all comes down to how we live out lives. All of us.

          • Natalee

            Billy, I can honestly say I don’t know enough about the Catholic religion to say one way or another.. :) I believe and the bible teaches confession between you and God alone is enough. God bless.

          • Natalee

            Look, Im bailing out on this.. I do believe that LDS can have personal individual relationships with JC. Im not bigitod or iggnorant. I practiced for over 25 years. Im informed. I have read, studied and been found and saved. I love my LDS family.. Just wish they could find freedom from the guilt, the works, the judgments, and be free threw the LOVE, because God is Love. I should have known getting into this, would result hateful name calling… God bless. Romney 2012.

          • Amy

            “Want to know the truth go to Deseret book, and pick up the original BOM uncut pages. compair it to your current book… over 4000 changes not jut in spelling and grammer, but also in doctrine too.”
            Obviously you have not gone and counted yourself or you wouldn’t state that, because that is completely false. The Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants are two completely different books. However, just like the New and Old Testaments they can sometimes be found bound together.

            Also, there is NO polygamy in the church and hasn’t been for over 100 years, as Glenn stated. Temple marriage only binds man and wife together for eternity – no multiple unions. Rather than go off what other people/books, etc have to say about a religion, it is more factual based to read the literature actually put out by the church in question.

          • Guest

            really? your really going to deny that in temple marriage one man can have more then one eternal wife? You cant take two women in at one time, unless one is dead, and being resented by a living person. So is spirital polygamy different then earthly polygamy? if you believe so,I guess you are right.. the bible teaches me that there are no marriages in heaven… so I go with that.
            Oh I have to say you got me there about the BOM, D&C, and POGP… or maybe you read me wrong… either way.. do the research you can pick the original up yourself, google it, whatever. There are signifigant changes to “the most correct book on earth”.

          • Amy

            BTW, Natalie, there are two different “Amy” characters you are conversing with.

          • Amy

            Regarding not receiving answers to prayers, do you believe that an individual can pray to God about which church to attend and receive a confirmation? From what others of your faith have told me, you do not. You believe that if you pray to God for those things, the devil will answer you. Your tactics of “witnessing” are nothing like Mormon missionaries. They walk door to door offering to teach about what Mormons believe. People like you go around teaching false information about what others believe. When people try to defend what they believe, you ignore presented information and attempt to tear people down. That is persecution. When presented with questions about your own faith, you change the subject and repeat what your preacher told you, going on blind faith. I know this because I have family who claim to be “Christians” like yourself. At a family gathering, they sat around me in a circle and started asking me questions, as if they were really curious. But they are not curious. They follow their pastor and do what he says, trying to find ways to tear a person down. It didn’t work, mind you, and I don’t believe doing that to anyone is ant evidence of real Christianity.

          • Natalee

            I don’t believe in “one true church” I believe in Faith in Christ, and Gods grace… enters our lives when he chooses and he set me free with truth. I am not trying to tear anyone down, just stick to the facts.. I fallow the Lord, not a preacher,, paster, or bishop.. I fallow the High Priest ..Jesus Christ.

          • Anonymous

            Sweetheart, no marriages in Heaven because the is no sexual differences, we will all be the same just as in the image of Christ who will also be neither male nor female. we were only separated to become one sex or the other as human beings and in fact if you read the very beginning of the bible it states that God created man both male and female did he create them and later the female part of Adam was removed with the rib to create Eve. However, Adam and Eve were not GOD’s first human creations, there were others apart from the garden where He created Adam from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils to create a living being. To ascertain GOD’s other creations before Adam and Eve in the Garden, evidence Kane taking a wife in the land of Nod and I don’t think that meant he nodded off and married a dream. The human egg has both male and female attributes that generally depends on the stronger of the two sexes determining which sex will be birthed. So, in the beginning of our lives we are in possession of both sexes. In some instances, neither of the two is stronger than the other producing a being having both sexes. hermaphrodite or as originally was termed, bi-sexual that is now used to describe a person whose sexual orientation is with either male or female partner, in essence one who has no love for any person including themselves, but only lust for the flesh. Time to knock off, have a good day or night.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            Modern Revelation clears a lot of stuff up

          • Natalee

            Revelation is no longer needed…. Thank you Jesus. :)

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            Umm, I’m pretty sure there is Gender in Heaven.

            Though I’d agree with you that the Bible does seem to imply that people who marry on Earth aren’t forced to be together in Heaven, however it’s still not clear on voluntary marriage in Heaven or what Heaven even is like actually.

            But that goes beyond Human understanding.

          • Anonymous

            Hello Paolina, guess what? I have your answer to the question of gender in Heaven.

            Benjamin Franklin

            Why will we have no ‘gender’ in Heaven?

            *Diane writes:*

            Great web site as I also [study with] Pastor (A fine Christian Minister) [of (another Ministry on TV)].

            Question:
            In the third earth age, we are not male or female anymore.
            WHY NOT?
            also, Does GOD appoint our time of Death?
            I can’t believe that GOD would do that when it comes to people getting killed in crashes, murders, etc…
            WHY are innocent kids born with devastating illnesses?

            –Diane

            *Answer:*

            Hello Diane:

            Thank you for the word of encouragement, we hope you will share our site with others. We shall answer your question about ‘gender in Heaven’ lastly. But as for your second question asking whether God has some preset time for each of us to die. The answer is no!, because God gives us free-will to make choices in life, some of our choices are good some are bad, some lead to death some to life (temporal and immortal), but God gives us free will to make our own choices. If God controlled our every choice then He could not fairly Judge us on Judgment day. And we know that our God is an ever so fair God!

            In regards to your last question, it could be summed up as: “Why does God allow bad things to happen?” Diane, that question is answered quite in depth in another area of this site. Would you permit me to simply give you a direct link to that answer, as it so closely parallels yours?: Page #1; Questions answered

            And now lastly, your first question was *”In the third earth age, we are not male or female anymore. WHY NOT?”*

            Ok, for the benefit of other readers, we will back up a bit and explain your above correct statement and then move on to the question raised.

            The ‘third earth age’ that Diane is referring to is simply called ‘Heaven’ by most Christians. Many are not aware that there was an age before this one (the first earth age); the one we live in now is the second, and Heaven will be the third. We have an in-depth Bible study that will fully explain and document this for the reader from the Bible: *WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING*.
            And please understand that this is NOT reincarnation! Reincarnation is a false doctrine strait from satan which causes people to believe that they are not fully accountable for their lives here on earth.

            Diane understands that in Heaven we shall be *”as the Angels,”* having no reproductive gender as we do today:

            *Mark 12:25* *(Jesus speaking)*
            25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. (KJV)

            So, we must understand that when we enter into the Heaven Age, or more simply stated, when we resurrect from this mortal body we are in a spiritual body which is eternal and does not age nor bear sickness and handicap. (We shall not explain the Millennium in this topic for sake of clarity)

            In other words, when we go to Heaven we will be in an eternal body as are the Angels now in an eternal body (meaning: those of us and them that overcome and come out of the Great White Throne Judgment {Rev 20:11-13} of course!). Many will perish in the Lake of Fire {Rev20:14-15}, which is the true Biblical meaning of what we commonly refer to as *”going to Hell.”*
            You will notice that whenever an Angel is described in the Bible, it (he) is always described as a young male, always in the masculine gender. The idea of female angels or heavenly hosts is purely a Pagan perversion of the truth. All Pagan ‘religions’ worship or adore a female supernatural entity, i.e., *Isis* in Egypt, *Isi *in India (to this very day), *Cybele*in Asia,
            *Fortuna *in Pagan Rome, C*eres* in in Greece, *Shing Moo* in China, *Diana*of the Ephesians {Acts 19:35},
            *Queen of Heaven* among the Old Testament idolatrous Israel {Jer 44:18-25}, *Madonna* or *Our Lady* of the modern day Roman Catholic Church,….

            When one understands the truth contained in our Heavenly Father’s Word, the Bible, it make ‘quick work’ of identifying false doctrines and religions. But the reason that Angels in the Bible are referred to in the masculine gender is done for our (frail human) understanding, in reality the gender of these Angels is not as we would understand gender today. Let me explain.

            I know that Diane understands this, but for the benefit of the reader who does not, allow me to take this all the down to the beginning. In the first earth age (chronologically occurring between {Gen 1:1 and 1:2}) we were all with God in spiritual bodies: *”When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy” {Job 38:7}*.

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            you’re right, in some special approved cases men can be sealed to 2 women, when the first wife died and he wants to remarry.

          • Natalee

            so in esance, polygamy is still practiced by members… in heaven.

          • http://www.facebook.com/klpill Kathy Smith Pilling

            If you want to know the truth ask God. Read the Book of Mormon for yourself and ask God sincerely in humble prayer if it truly is a second witness of Jesus Christ and He will answer you. He desires a personal relationship with each one of us, that is why we are told to pray and search the scriptures.

          • Natalee

            I have a personal relationship with the Lord.. I have read the BOM cover to cover more then once. I have prayed, I have attended LDS churchs… God found me threw Christianity… I just have a different path suppose.

          • Natalee

            I have read the BOM cover to cover (and the pogp and d&c) a few times actually, I tried very hard stay a member, but it seemed once I was set free by truth, the Lord didn’t want me to be set back in bondage. He leads us all in different directions I guess.

          • Anonymous

            The LDSs must be overjoyed that you tell them what they believe and when they correct you with love you, respond with Bigoted and hated filled rants. Just because your traditions say you are right and they are wrong it doesn’t mean a thing to the Savior. He might say to you when you say you did this in his name that he knows you not. I do not want to be one judged for persecuting the Saints in these the last days. I chose to follow Christ new law to love one another.

          • Natalee

            I am not Bigoted, I do believe that people can find Christ threw the LDS faith 100% belive that LDS can be saved… its the docterines that are the issue, its the history.. its all the unneccacery works.. remember the truth shall set you free… not leave you in bodage or debt to a church.

          • Natalee

            My “traditions” are mormon beliefs. I haven’t at all went on any bigoted hate filled rants. I stated facts and because you refuse to look into your own church history, you read them as hate. I realize that current LDS don’t believe a lot of the beliefs the church was built on today.. doesn’t change the fact they were all belifs the prophets taught in times past. Prophets you still believe to be true prophets of God. God sees your heart. I don’t think you’ll be judged on what the prophets have said or preached… just seems like a waste of time to put all your faith in a church and not in Gods word, to me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

            you need to read alot more and know what you are talking about before you get on the computer next time

          • Natalee

            Believe me friend, I have read more then you can imagine… I have practiced.. I learned that God doesn’t want me to trust my “feelings” but also to use the brain he gave me…

          • Victoria

            Here is a biblical scripture that explains how Jesus Christ and God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate but one. Mormons believe in this Biblical scripture: Christ is praying to the Father when he says, “that they (meaning the people he was praying for) may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me , and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” John 17: 21-22 As for polygamy it was practiced in the Bible , the Book of Mormon explains that it is an abomination unless the Lord commands to raise up a righteous people. The practice was abolished in 1890. Anyone participating in polygamy is excommunicated and is not a part of the Mormon church. The part in D&C 132 was given in 1843 and the Official Declaration in the Doctrine and Covenants called for all Latter-day Saints to stop the practice of plural marriage.

          • http://www.facebook.com/janelle.l.cardenas Janelle Leigh Cardenas

            Natalee, stop please before you hurt yourself. Mormons have not endorsed or practiced polygamy for over 120 years. Any member found to be practicing polygamy gets excommunicated. Your ignorence is PAINFUL to witness!

          • Natalee

            ugh… did you read anything I wrote? I know LDS don’t practice polygamy on the street… they still seal mulitple wives to one man in the temple.. for eternal marraige.. as in polygamy in heaven.. is that not true? Please by all mean by all means, deny it.. please don’t call me iggnorant.. My eyes are wide open. I know the church history obviously better then you do.

          • Guest

            Well I responded to ALL of these, but was deleted… I don’t know why, Im only stating facts not being mean. THe church does NOT practice polygamy in their homes, they do in the temple. Men can be sealed and eternaly married to more thn one woman… the church denounces a lot of things.. Dark skin, adam god theory, jesus’ conception method, polygamy, polyandry, blood attonment.. I could go on and on…and don’t get me started on all the masonic rituals… I recognise that the current LDS members don’t practice these things but it doesn’t change the fact that its a building block to the religion, you should know it, and be ready to defend it……

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            she said that it can be practiced in temple marriage. If a man’s wife dies and he remarries, he can ask the church to allow him to be sealed to both women.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCMJ5S4DOL7Y4W6PJQKXLUOSXM Linda

            We believe in the same Jesus Christ, we just don’t see Him quite the way you do. We don’t have anything that contradicts the Bible, it just contradicts your interpretation of the Bible.
            We must repent of our sins. In 1 John, it says we are all sinners, and that if we want God to forgive our sins, we must repent of them. And we can’t repent of sins we have not yet committed. We are supposed to be trying to rid ourselves of sin. Weis like a blank check to keep on sinning. can’t do it, not really, that’s why we have God’s grace. But, if we believe that all our future sins are forgiven, that is like giving someone with a large blank check.

        • http://www.facebook.com/linda.turner.7792052 Linda Turner

          A Christian believes that Jesus IS one of the three persons of the trinity- that Jesus IS G-d and there is no other god. Mormons do not believe in the trinity. They believe that Jesus is the son of a god- their Father god. Not the same as the Christian Church started at Pentecost.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

            Does it really matter ? Mormons are very nice people and to get to Heaven We must be Good. Mormons are good people , and I am Catholic , I will vote for Mitt Romnet and I hope and Pray that everyone will vote the same !! Vote Romney

          • http://www.facebook.com/connie.hammond.925 Connie Hammond

            I think you really need to re-read your bible kiddo. Jesus himself said ” there is none good but God”. You cannot be good enough to get to heaven. Your Catholic background and theology has led you to believe you can earn your way top heaven. Not. Repentance, and obedience to God. Not the church!!

          • Anonymous

            Connie, you said a mouth full sweetheart, none good but GOD and we can only confess our sins to God, not man, man who he himself is a sinner cannot absolve any of us of our sins. Only GOD who is “GOOD” can forgive and he does not require any hail Mary’s etc.etc. just your unrequited resolve to try to follow in Christ’s footsteps. He knows you will falter, but He also knows you are trying to attain heaven by believing in HIS son Jesus Christ. I am a sinner that believes and loves my savior and when I fall I know He will pick me up and carry me and someday I will have a Mansion befitting a king. Have a blessed day, Connie.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/WildStrawberry Kimberly Benhase Farrell

            Getting to Heaven isn’t a work that WE can do. Reference Ephesians 2:8-10: 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (NIV)

            Our works are what we were created to do…not what gets us into Heaven. Christ already DID that for those who believe. (John 3:16)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

            you have it

          • http://twitter.com/Nonstopmama Ruth

            In the end maybe not if you were honest and a good person to your conscience. But if you deceived yourself by ignoring the truth and in return convinced others of the lie maybe you will be held to a tougher judgement no matter how “nice” you thought you were.

            That said how could anyone in their right mind not vote for Romney. :)

          • http://twitter.com/jslade Jeremy Slade

            Obviously hashing it out here is not going to solve anything… but the “traditional” Christian view of the Trinity is completely at odds with what the Bible actually contains. It was essentially a political compromise created a few hundred years after Jesus walked the earth.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry Jeremy, how wrong can you be, Christ said that he would leave a comforter in his place when he departed earth. It was not a comforter made of cloth or fleece to throw on your bed, it was the Holy spirit, the third part of the trinity and had nothing to do with politics. through the Holy spirit we may attain or obtain the spiritual gifts GOD wants those who believe to have. These are gifts you cannot buy, but only through Jesus Christ may you have them when you seek and are baptized by fire, acts 2: 4 baptism by fire where tongues of fire were upon them and they received the Holy spirit and spoke in other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance. Today, however after the many centuries of true belief in the trinity, the fiery tongues are no longer of a necessity to prove what we know to be fact. In my sales travels I came across a couple of believers whom I prayed with and in so doing I spoke in my unknown tongue and she was able to not only interpret the message I was given by the spirit but she also informed me it was the language of an ancient Indian tribe. She had the gift of discernment of Angelic languages. There are many versions of the Bible, but in essence they say the same thing but only in different wording. The Bible does not contradict itself as some would have you to believe. Believe wholeheartedly in the trinity my friend and GOD bless you.

            Benjamin Franklin
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          • http://www.facebook.com/john.turney.98 John Turney

            Linda, the Trinity Doctrine was not taught at Pentecost. It came much later, centuries, in fact. And it was voted on at the Councils that were headed by Constantine the Great. There are several mainline Christian denominations that do not accept some or all of the Nicene Council. So, while members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirm that there is a God, the Father, his Son, Jesus Christ the Savior and Redeemer and the Holy Ghost, we don’t accept the terms Constantine terms of homoousios, or con-substantial, i.e., “of the same substance” of the Father. It is believed that Constantine who headed the Nicene Council, on this particular point, may have exercised his authority. So, since “homoousios” or “con-substantial” are not Biblical, why can’t we believe in the pure and simple Godhead of the New Testament? We beleive that Jesus was born as the Bible says he was, suffered for our sins in the Garden and on the Cross and was Resurrected on the third day and that by no other name is there salvation. I love my Christian brothers and sisters and I fully expect that a certain number of fundamentalist Christians will not vote for Mitt Romney for the sole reason he is a Mormon. But, that is their choice and I wish my choice was not mocked and attacked so often by many who are supposed to love their neighbor.

          • Anonymous

            John, the third part of the trinity was evidenced on the day of Pentecost, read acts: second chapter. This was the comforter Christ promised. By the way, whatever became of the gold plates the angel gave to Joe Smith? Did he take them with him to the grave? Have you picked out which planet you want to rule when you become a god? Are you an elder that has to wear long johns in 102 % heat? Are you not allowed to eat or drink certain things even after Christ admonished anything GOD put here for our nourishment we can partake of with out it having to be Kosher. Did you know that when you cook food it takes out all the nourishment, but when you ask GOD’s blessing on it, it restores the nutriment values. Make a divining rod from a soda straw and a bent piece of wire and pass it over your fresh cooked meal, ( it will not move) now asks GOD’s blessing on the food and pass the rod over it, (it will move) try it, you will be amazed. Have a blessed day.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.turney.98 John Turney

            @preselect
            Well, if what you posted makes you proud and these are the fruits of your beliefs, mocking and attacking, then continue on your way. But it is hard to have a “blessed day” when a response to my post is so full of venom.

          • Anonymous

            John, I sense no venom in my reply to your comment, only curiosity of things of the Mormon church teachings and even out of love I demonstrated to you proof that saying grace over your meal puts back the nourishment that is removed by cooking and as for your belief of becoming a god, there is and has always been one GOD and no where in His word does it even imply that man can be transformed into more than a being liken to the angels. It does make such an implication in the BOM written by a man which as I am not mocking does say towards the end of the bible, Rev 22:18-19 neither take from nor add to His word that was written solely as he inspired it to be His Word. To those who refute His word and add to it, He will add to them the plagues mentioned in the Bible and to those who take from His word, He will take their names from the “Book of Life. Not too smart to do either and especially to do it in a way as to create a new religion apart from His teachings. In my church we follow as close as we can as instructed in His word, we have no added tomes nor do we dare to even equate ourselves as being gods after death. We eat just about anything He has put on earth for our pleasure and nourishment and as I put it, I will bite anything that will not bite back except parsnips that have no taste. Do you know what church is the fastest growing worldwide today, believe it or not it is the Assembly of GOD. Again I say to you, have a blessed day my Mormon friend, I hope to someday meet you on the streets of gold.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • Anonymous

            So you think Christ was praying to himself and testifying of himself when he said he did nothing that except he father commanded. I Think the trinity is a God head of three united in purpose.

          • Anonymous

            Linda, you are very astute in your understanding of the trinity, why does Christ call himself the son of man, maybe because in earthly form he was raised by Joseph, a man. He also says that when you see him, you see GOD so in that sense he is not only the son of GOD, He is GOD. The holy spirit is the comforter he left in his stead when he departed the earth and it’s inhabitants. We are only to worship the trinity, GOD, the father, Christ, the son and the holy ghost or the spirit form of GOD and Christ that was afforded all Christians to draw closer to the trinity closing the gap between ourselves and heaven’s gates. There are some who doubt in knowing evidence as to when you have gained the Holy spirit. I point you to acts 2:4 for proof of having the Holy spirit in your own being. If in fact you have the gift of tongues, (Angelic language) you then possess the Holy spirit to guide your life. An evangelist Mildred wicks is the only other person with the exception of Christ that I know of that fasted forty days and in so doing received a number of gifts from GOD including a booming speaking voice that would reverberate through a huge auditorium with out a microphone, but in speaking mono mono, soft and lilting. I have a feeling that you already know what I have said so I am backing off. Have a blessed day.

            Benjamin Franklin

        • patty

          Thank you so much for your testimony!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alice-Ingham/1231190556 Alice Ingham

          Very well said, I do believe We are All Children of God no matter what religion we believe in.

          • http://www.facebook.com/connie.hammond.925 Connie Hammond

            If that is the case, then what do you do with the phrase. Jesussaid” You are of your father the devil” when he spoke to the pharisees. They were actually the religious order of the day. So even religious people cannot be saved. You must be born again. John 3:3

          • Natalee

            We are not, the Bible says that we are his creations, only believers in Jesus Christ are his children.

          • Anonymous

            Kudos Natalee, if you do not believe, you do not receive and if you receive and believe the Holy Trinity and endeavor to follow the teachings of same, you will attain your reward in Heaven. Alice may not be aware of the false religions being taught by false interpreters of GOD’S word. Hence, cults that both take from and add to His word as he admonishes us not to do. examples, watchtower, book of Mormon, Koran and several others that defy what GOD has exemplified in his word for us to follow. He explicitly admonishes us not to take from nor add to His word. Rev. 22: 18-19 Have a blessed day

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

            thank you

        • Anonymous

          I believe that you believe – I also believe that on Judgement day – GOD will judge you for what you have done – not what you believe.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

          Amen

        • Anonymous

          Hi Terri, are you going to heaven with us or are you going to get your own planet to rule? I don’t want a planet of my own, I am getting tired and seek only to rest beside the river of life. Have a blessed day.
          Benjamin Franklin

        • http://www.facebook.com/lani.fisherueland Lani Fisher Ueland

          Thank you for saying so well what my heart feels!

        • NotoriousGOP

          Where in the Bible does it say that you will become a god of your own universe or planet??
          I read a sermon by Brigham young from the official LDS website where he says that “Christian”(non Mormons) naivly believe that Jesus was born of a Virgin and that instead their idea of a god actually had physical relations with her to produce Jesus. This so planet defies the Bible.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

          Yes, Thank you Terri!!!

        • Anonymous

          Occult Origins of Mormonism

          small clip from
          ‘Jesus Christ & Joseph Smith – Christianity and Mormonism Compared’ – film
          includes Dave Hunt & many others, including the guy from God of
          Wonders

          My intent is not to insult anyone, this just happens to be the title of this you tube video. I pray you will watch with an open mind.

        • http://twitter.com/Nonstopmama Ruth

          But do you believe that Jesus is God? That is crucial to being a Christian. Please don’t use the term Christian and then redefine the meaning. It is dishonest.

          • Anonymous

            Ruth, Jesus was GOD in Human form come to earth to die for our sins

            Benjamin Franklin

      • Paula Robinson

        That is so untrue! I became a”born again Christian” when I was 28 and after quite a few years felt that something was missing. I starting praying to the one and only God that he would show me the truth and lead me to where He wanted me to be. I prayed this almost non-stop for 3 months and guess where He led me………to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. When I walked through the doors one Sunday morning I literally felarms around me and the knowledge that I had come home.That was 9 rears ago and I have no regrets.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I heard a Jehovah’s Witness say the same thing??????? Be careful WHO you are listening to.

          • Anonymous

            my pastor said that if God talks to you – you need to see a shrink…since the completion of the canon of scripture God does not talk to anybody…by learning scripture and prayer the holy spirit guides us and provides discernment….most people never learn enough scripture to reach this point and they are susceptible to anything…hence mormons, heavens gate, jehovahs, seventh day adventists…not my place to judge here…i can only say learn some scripture and the outcome is between you and your maker…

          • http://www.facebook.com/zielkee Evelyn Zielke

            Scrambo, consider this. If the Holy Spirit guides you, and He is part of the godhead, has God spoken to you? It’s called revelation, and your life is greatly blessed by receiving it. God loves you. He wants to communicate with you!

          • Dan Hart

            Amos 3:7

            He talked to man before. Should he not talk to man now? Or is that scripture wrong?

          • tony

            Scrambo — it’s called the Holy Spirit.

          • Anonymous

            You need a new pastor! You can always go to god in prayer and he will answer through the Holy Ghost in most cases. Sometimes by a heavenly visitation the Bible is full of examples.

          • Victoria

            What about James 1:5 “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” Why not ask God yourself and see if this is true or your pastor? I know that God has spoken to me in my mind and my heart.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t be so sure about that. God spoke audibly to my wife through a light at the foot of her bed 28 years ago. Because of his direction and her obediance, I became a spirit filled, born again Christian! His ways are not our ways!

          • Anonymous

            If I can through in my two cents, try it! Go to as many different churches as you can, including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and you will feel a difference at each one. I cannot say which one will absolutely be the strongest spirit for you but I believe it will be the LDS church because that is exactly what I did.

          • Jeremy

            Anon – That’s great that Jehovah’s Witnesses receive answers to their prayers! If they truly believe God wants them to be members of that Church, then who am I to doubt their word? If more people in this world would rely on personal revelation instead of listening to some self-serving ecclesiastical leader, we would have a much better society.

        • R McMillan

          Paula. three months? I had to wait nine! But I did get the same answer…

        • Anonymous

          Christianity is not a religion of feelings, but a religion of conscious relationship. Deceitful churches like the Mormon Church or Scientology can feel like a loving place — until you start questioning what they’re saying by holding them up to the True Light of God’s Word, the Bible. The Book of Mormon was only revealed in the 1800s. Sorry, but I don’t think God would ever have let us go 1800 years without this decidedly false and invented piece of phony baloney (which sometimes plagiarizes from the New Testament without telling the reader) called the Book of Mormon. Stick with the Bible and find a good Christian Church that feeds you Biblical Truth, not fairy tales invented in the 1800s by a misguided charlatan. The New Testament was created by a community, not just one man like Mormonism or Islam.

          • Anonymous

            I laugh in your bigoted direction. From what I know about the LDS you Know nothing but lies and bigoted deceitful semi- truths. You make a good tool in the devil’s hand.

          • Victoria

            I know the Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ – it fills my heart with love and joy. It goes hand in hand with the Bible to tell the world that Jesus is the Christ, that he atoned for the sins of the world and “that there is no other way nor mean whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ.” I challenge anyone to sincerely read the Book of Mormon – study it along with the Bible – with an open heart to find truth – and you will be touched by the holy spirit of God.

          • Anonymous

            I believe, FilmDoctor, that Christianity is not a religion at all, but soley a relationship with Jesus and a working out of His plan for us together with Him!
            What do you mean that it is not a religion of feelings? Do we not experience many feelings while in our wonderful day to day relationship with Jesus? I can’t imagine that Jesus drew those little children up on His lap without feeling something! I can, in my mind’s eye, see Him lifting a little child over His head and toss them in the air as they both squeal with delight. I can see His strong arms encircling a toddler, holding them a little too tightly to let them know that He is there to protect them. Oh, I believe He felt much, and in our relationship with Him today, we share many feelings too. And, I love it!
            In my life with Jesus in my heart, I feel so much! Some days I experience (feel) so much joy I think I might explode! And some days I feel a little afraid of where our world is heading. Some days I cry with sadness for the losses a loved one experiences, and some days I cry with pure joy as they discover another wonderful truth in God’s Word. I think that it is this kind of feeling that Paula experienced when she entered a place of peace for her. Remember that she had been in much sincere prayer for a period of three months for God to lead her to the place HE wanted her to be. That is not a selfish prayer, but one for His will in her life. And don’t you think that when we arrive at that certain, special place God Himself leads us to that we feel like we’ve come ‘home’?? I do. And, if Paula has misunderstood God (though after nine years it would seem unlikely), I believe He can show her and lead her out in His time. If she misunderstood, God’s grace will be sufficient for understanding and for forgiveness. I love the direction of His law, but oh, how I love His grace!!!
            FilmDoctor, it seems from your tone, and wording, that you might be having ‘feelings’ about the Mormon Church. Do you have some kind of history with it? Have you been hurt somehow by it? I mean, it’s just that you seem to be angry with its leaders, and indeed, with its people.

          • Anonymous

            FilmDoctor, my comment about feelings does not mean that I base my Christianity on feelings, nor do I let feelings determine my relationship with Him. Feelings are a wonderful by-product, if you will, of Christianity!

      • http://www.facebook.com/sharon.marsoun Sharon Hudson Marsoun

        “Ye do err, not knowing the scripture”. In John 10:34-35 it is written, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
        If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;….”. The Savior was quoting from Psalsm 82:6 : “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” So, please don’t have an issue with Mormons for believing what the Savior taught. Don’t puppies grow up to be dogs, and kittens grow up to be cats? Why would He call us His children, and then tell us to be like our Father, which is in Heaven? In the course of eternal life, and in the millions of years ahead of us, can’t we become more like Him? And if that is true, we will never surpass Him, for He will always be as far ahead of us as He is now. “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven is perfect.”

        • Anonymous

          There is only ONE God, and you shall worship him alone!!! Deuteronomy 6:4. Polytheism is idolatry, and is thoroughly condemned throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. It’s why God let Babylon take the Jewish people into captivity. Adam and Eve sinned because they wanted to be like God in essence, but that’s IMPOSSIBLE. Please don’t accept the lies of Satan like Eve, or the lies of the Mormon Church and its deceitful leaders! As a true Christian, you can “participate” in the divine nature without becoming gods, through the Holy Spirit who is the Third Person of the Triune God – 2 Peter 1:4. By the way, the Book of Mormon actually teaches the Trinity, but the Mormon Church denies its own teachings in the Book of Mormon. They are very confused!

          • Dan Hart

            Except that YOU believe in 3 as 1 God as well. Mormons are quite clear on their beliefs. God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. I only count one God there, but you believe in THREE, somehow mashed into one. I am not sure that scripture proves your point or your hypocrisy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            No sweetie, you are confused!!! This is hilarious!

        • Bot Bot

          Christ’s church must represent man’s potential correctly 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Psalm 82, John 10:34 “If we are children (of
          God),” wrote the apostle Paul to the Romans (8:17, New International Version), “then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.” “To him that overcometh,” says the Savior to John the Revelator (3:21, KJV), “will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear.”

          Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was part of Early Christian belief. St. Athanasius of Alexandria (Eastern Orthodox) wrote, regarding theosis, “The Son of God became man, that we might become God.” Irenaeus wrote in the late 2nd Century: “we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods” Justin Martyr in mid 2nd Century said: “all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and of having power to become sons of the Highest”

          St. Jerome the translator of the Latin Vulgate Bible, (d. A.D. 419), wrote that “God made man for that purpose, that from men they may become gods. They who cease to be mere men, abandon the ways of vice, and are become perfect, are gods and sons of the Most High” Clement of Alexandria said worthy men “are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the
          other gods that have been first put in their places by the Savior.” Origen in reference to 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 said “Now it is possible that some may dislike what we have said representing the Father as the one true God, but admitting other beings besides the true God, who have become gods by having a share of God . . As, then there are many gods, but to us there is but one God the
          Father, and many Lords, but to us there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

          The Gospel of Thomas (which pre-dates the 4 Gospels, but was considered non-canonical by the Nicene Council) quotes the Savior: “He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him,” (Gospel of Thomas 50, 28-30, Nag Hammadi Library in English, J.M.Robinson, 1st ed 1977; 3rd ed. 1988) For further information on this subject, refer to http://NewTestamentTempleRitual.blogspot.com The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) agrees with Early Christian church leaders regarding theosis.

        • Anonymous

          We can never be perfect like Jesus. We are to strive to be but it’s impossible. That is why he came and died for us, for our sins. We believe he saved us through grace. Jesus is God’s son & has no mother. We can not just do good works to get us to heaven but good works gives us rewards in heaven. We will never be a god. He is our father even when we reach heaven. We are not to add to the Bible & the Book of Mormon does.

        • Anonymous

          He also said we can co-inherent with him and revive all that he and the Father have that sounds like we can become Gods too.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

          YES!!!!! VERY WELL PUT!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.conners Spencer Conners

        Dawn, wouldn’t it be a wonder to discover that God has some fantastic things in store for those that love His Son, keep His commandments, and have eyes to see, ears that hear, and hearts that understand?

        Please answer two questions. What does God want? What does He intend for His children to do for eternity?

        I’ll admit I am not sure I could predict how the many christian denominations would answer these questions.

        • http://www.facebook.com/linda.w.witt Linda Woodham Witt

          I believe that God didn’t tell us everything…only what we need to know in order to be ‘saved’ from the penalty of our sins and to become more like Him. We all have many things we would like to know, but won’t until we are with Him in heaven, then we’ll know what we need to know and the rest won’t matter….we’ll know everything He knows. Until then, that’s where ‘faith’ comes in. What is not in God’s Word, many have tried to add according to their own ideas. I, personally, don’t question God or try to fill in the blanks because if He had wanted us to know He would have told us. I believe God’s Word (Bible) to be truth in its entirety. Different translations may say it differently, but it doesn’t change the truth of the Gospel….Jesus was born of a virgin, he lived a sinless life, he gave his life on the cross of Calvary for the sins of the world. He rose from the grave on the 3rd day and he ascended into heaven when His time on earth and the work that he was sent to accomplish was completed. He reigns in heaven now, sitting at the right hand of God, His Father. At the appointed time he will return for His church (believers who have accepted his death on the cross as their redemption and who have lived a life that glorifies God, to the best of their ability and with the aid of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter who came (Acts) to the apostles in the Upper Room after Jesus was taken back to heaven, and who lives in the hearts of all believers. Acts 2:38
          Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.) It is the indwelling Holy Spirit who gives us guidance and direction, speaking to us through the Word (Bible), our prayers, through other Christians,through creation…many ways.
          Jesus gave us this COMMANDMENT as to how we are to spread His gospel.
          Matthew 28:18-20 (NIV) 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”I don’t personally believe any book other than the Bible because the last chapter in God’s Holy Word says this…in the last few versesRevelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.(Excuse the bold type, don’t know what’s up with that.)Romans 10:9-10 tells us what we must do to be saved
          9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

          • http://www.facebook.com/linda.w.witt Linda Woodham Witt

            All the above doesn’t mean that I won’t vote for a Mormon. I know them to be good people, who live clean lives, have wonderful family values, serve their fellow man, look after one another. You could not ask for better people and other faiths would do well to emulate them in many ways.

      • http://www.facebook.com/wendi.kartchner Wendi Chowhan Kartchner

        Romans 8: 16-17

      • LOVE

        By making that statement, you have shown not only a severe lack of understanding of the Mormon religion but also complete ignorance for the
        foundations of your own religion. Look up where the idea of holy trinity began. Putting that aside, Mormon’s are Christians because they believe in Jesus Christ. If you’d like the definition of Christianity, I would suggest CS Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” as a reference. They believe in the Jesus that was born to Mary in Bethlehem, the son of God. Simply because they disagree with the common perception of who Jesus Christ was does not make them “not Christian”.

      • Victoria

        LDS believe that Jesus Christ’s atonement is infinite. He is and will eternally be our Savior. God the Father is the author of our salvation. It is their work and their glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. See Romans 8:16-17.

      • Anonymous

        Hello Dawn, let us pray that Romney won’t mistake the earth as being his to rule as its god. (note, no capital letter in god, there is only one GOD and he is the God of all universes, the great I AM.) The business of the underwear, I asked a young man in a Vegas washroom why he was wearing long johns in 102 degree weather and he told me he was an elder in the Mormon church, they had better be magic to prevent heat stroke LOL. I am not going to mention things they can and cannot eat or drink, don’t have time to write a book. Most who believe in the Holy spirit also believe in angelic tongues whereas they will speak as the spirit gives them utterance. acts 2: 4 Have a blessed day lovely lady.

        Benjamin Franklin

        • Natalee

          LDS don’t know what “the Great I Am” is even though its all over the bible.

          • Anonymous

            Hey, gracious and lovely lady, seems that Disqus mixed up my comments. I really would like to meet you before judgement day while we both are still of an opposite sex. ON the day of resurrection we become as one in spirit form created in the image of GOD. Natalee, I am a non practicing hypnotist who in earlier years did and one thing I did was to send people back to the beginning of time where they were spirits and different people at different locations gave identical answers to questions I posed to them. To my query as to what is is like where they are, they all replied,” a dull grayish void” and to, are there other spirits and can you see and converse with them, they answered, yes, there are other spirits and no I cannot see nor talk to them” I then ask them, Do you believe in GOD and does He talk to you? They all answer in the affirmative that GOD does talk to them and instructs them. In advancing them in time, I am told that they race each other when there is conception to give life to it. Now, these findings might be true or as some have stated that hypnosis is a tool of Satan and it’s results are his lies. I have done scientific experiments with college students using hypnosis and many have been in awe of what we discovered. How did I get on this subject, has nothing to do with my meeting you so I am curtailing it as of this moment. If I do not make my way to the white House next January, I am moving to Panama for a better life and if I do not find a mate here, I will surely find one there. I just want someone to,live out my life with, with or without love as long as there is compatibility and understanding. Just received important phone call so I must say Adieux for now, have a blessed day.

            Benjamin

    • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

      do not forget, they believe that one day they will be a God of their own universe. They do not believe in Jesus Christ like christians believe in Jesus Christ. Don’t let the use of the same “words” christians use that they are the same.

    • Salee spriggins

      But…….do the Mormans believe in the trinity? Do they believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh? I don’t think so. We do not look at Jesus in the same way.

      • http://www.facebook.com/wendi.kartchner Wendi Chowhan Kartchner

        In response to your comment that Mormon’s are not Christian because
        they do not believe in the Trinity, let’s turn to the respected Bible scholar
        Bart Ehrman (who is not remotely LDS): “The only place in the entire New
        Testament where the doctrine of the Trinity is explicitly taught is in a
        passage that made it into the King James translation (I John 5:7-8) but is not
        found in the vast majority of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament”
        (2009, p. 186).

        There are two key
        points we can take away from this quote. The first is that there is only ONE
        place in all the New Testament that comes close to teaching the doctrine of the
        Trinity. It is not the uniform or common message of the Bible.

        For the second
        point Ehrman is using a bit of code language. When he says that the passage was
        not in the earliest and best manuscripts, he is saying that it was a later
        addition to Bible texts. The one reference to the doctrine of the Trinity was
        not in the original text of the Bible. In fact he cites a tradition that Erasmus
        added the words in the sixteenth century under pressure from Trinitarians.

        Let’s look at the
        one passage that is the basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. The passage,
        known as the Johannine Comma, reads: “For there are three that bear
        record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
        one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water,
        and the blood: and these three agree in one.” (I John 5:7-8 ).

        In the manuscripts
        that Erasmus had, the passage read simply: “There are three that bear witness:
        the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three are one.” (See Ehrman,
        2005, pp. 80-82.) Someone tried to force the doctrine of the Trinity into the
        text of the New Testament. When this late and unauthorized addition to the text
        is removed, there is not a hint of the doctrine left in the New Testament. The
        doctrine is simply NOT biblical.

        Even if we granted
        the Johannine Comma, it is still a huge leap to go from that one passage to the
        Athanasiancreed that tried to establish and express the nature of the Trinity
        while wrestling with their physical natures and that greatest of all
        conundrums: their one-ness. Most Christians are unaware of the decades of
        bickering that led to the formula that is now accepted as the orthodox
        description of the Trinity. MacMullen (2006) described the tendency for the
        different factions warring over their understanding of God’s nature to actually
        attack each other. He estimated that 25,000 people were killed in the battles
        over the creed and its successors at Constantinople (381 CE) and Calcedon (451
        CE). How Heaven must have wept as earthlings squabbled and bickered about the
        Prince of Peace and His Father! Given this history, it is difficult to assert
        that the creed which established the Trinity doctrine was based upon a commonly
        accepted interpretation of scripture–or that it was seen as a litmus test for
        Christians.

        Even now, scholars
        acknowledge that the doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical. “Exegetes and theologians
        agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the
        Trinity” (p. 53, The Encyclopedia of Religion, 1987, Volume 15, MacMillan
        Publishing Company).

        There really is no
        question. The doctrine of the Trinity was developed centuries after the books
        of the Bible were written. It is not the teaching of the Bible or early
        Christianity. It expresses more Greek philosophy than teachings of Jesus.

        • Leah

          Thanks, but Christians would rather turn to God’s Word, the Bible, not what some scholar says. Nice try, though…

          • Scot

            I don’t think you understood, or read the comment, he was quoting the bible.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXQSDNBT3POK3P2VLPKVWAOQDY Anonymous

            No, he was quoting Ehrman quoting the scriptures. Rather odd that he should mention the KJV passage because that’s the version that the Mormon missionaries carry.

          • Anonymous

            most Christians are ignorant of Christianity and the book they purport to believe is God’s Holy Word. They are ignorant of history concerning both. The blind leading the blind – all on faith. Cherry picking these verses and not worrying about those.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.turney.98 John Turney

            Leah, the “some scholar” was educated at Moody Bible School and once held your views. However, when he found that the Johannine Comma was not in the earliest versions of the Bible, it gave him pause. These things are not taught in Bible Schools, only in mainline Christian Seminaries, not the fundamentalist Bible Schools, so it is no wonder these things are not taught to fundamentalist Christians . . . their preachers don’t know about it.

            So, while you are totally free to interpret the Bible how you wish, it does not mean that you get to decide who is and who is not Christian and that those who believe in the Biblical Godhead and not the 4th century Creeds and Councils are not Chrsitian. Had God wanted the term “Trinity” in the Bible, he would have inspired it. If He wanted homoousios, or consubstantial in there, He would have inspired John or Paul to write it. He didn’t.

            So, while we can agree to disagree, why repeat the “Mormons are not Christian” line over and over? It is pretty clear there were proto-orthodox Christians long before the Creeds and Councils and their beliefs have much in common with Latter-day Saints. They even called themself ‘saints”.

          • Kevin

            Well well I don´t think this is what Mr. Beck had in mind. Let me chime in my two cents to continue with the myth busting…

            There´ve been lots of comments intent on shock value, that is I tell you something you´re not used to hearing, and it´s so shocking that it must be wrong! Like Colombus saying the world is round.. “it´s not round, it´s flat!” Several of these enlightened anti-mormons or ex-mormons have mentioned true things about our church, but things that seem so “extreme” (to me they seem normal and logical) that they sound ridiculous.

            That Jesus is God´s literal son, and that that makes Mary his literal mother, is mormon doctrine. That sounds logical to me. To give reverence where it´s due, I won´t dive much further into that. Our leaders don´t either, although yes they have defended the doctrine at times. The main difference between Mormon doctrine and Christian doctrine is that we believe that God is all-knowing, meaning he knows how to do all things and that is why he is all powerful, but not because he is a magician with his magic wand. You say him being the literal father of Jesus is blasphemous… I say that´s the way baby´s are made. My parents taught me that when I was 8.

            “What the prophet says is equal to the word of God. Ridiculous!” Were this statement true, the Bible wouldn´t exist, since not one line of it was written by the Lord himself. Inspired teachings are doctrine, canonical, scripture. For Christians, the Bible. For Mormons, just a bit more.

            “They believe in more than the Lord´s “authorized” word, the Bible!” Ok, let´s suppose that all Christian beliefs are based on the Bible. In that case, the idea that the Bible is the ONLY word of God would have to come from the Bible itself. The last chapter of Revelation which says not to add to “this book” does not apply to the entire Bible, but rather the book of Revelation, and that´s further supported by the fact that several Biblical books were written after Revelation, including the three epistles of John. If the Bible never declares itself to be the only word of God, why do Christians who claim that all of their beliefs come from it do so?

            “They believe that Adam is God!” As explained by later LDS prophets, Adam can be considered “a god”, in the same sense that we are all Gods the way Jesus put it in the New Testament, referring to our potential to become like the father is. “But Brigham Young says he is the only God with whom we have to do!” Well, we are all literal descendents of Adam. So yes, in that sense he is the only God with whom we have to do.

            “Satan is a fallen angel and angels are not God´s children!” That´s not taught in the bible. You might as well say that they have wings; not taught in the Bible either. Mormons believe that angels are God´s children, and if Satan was one of those angels, then yes, he is God´s child and if also God´s child, Jesus´ brother. “That´s ridiculous!” Well, that´s our doctrine due to not only Biblical versus, but other scriptures which we hold to be canonical. Your beleif that they are NOT God´s children is your leader´s interpretation of the Bible, but seeing as you also believe that men are no longer inspired, and thus there are no more prophets to make canonical declarations, that interpretation of what an angel is is not canonical either, but rather just a personal interpretation by your leaders.

            This list could go on and on. Mr. Beck tried to explain a few, but to the common Christian Mormons have so much “controversial” doctrine that we could never end this debate. I simply say that if you keep an open mind that just maybe the earth is round after all, shock value will not scare you away from something that is potentially true.

            To wrap things up, Mormons and non-Mormons alike would do well to remember Joseph Smith´s teachings about the calling of a prophet; that a prophet is a prophet only when he is functioning as one. If I have the opportunity to chit chat with him, or even read one of his books, that is still only that good man´s opinion. If that man exercises his god-given duty to declare the official doctrine of the church, he will do so from the pulpit in a general church meeting or make it known in what is known as an official declaration. While these books that they write are enlightening and contain many truths that open the mind, the actual official doctrine of the church is little and is more basic. So one should be careful about citing so-and-so to prove that the Mormons believe such-and-such doctrine, even if that so-and-so was a prophet, unless the statement was made in the ways I explained.

        • Salee spriggins

          Wow……Wendi…. You obviously have addressed the subject before. It would take me a longer time to gather up all the scriptures to back my position…….just off the top of my head would be “I and the Father are one”. Jesus ‘ words……..God said “let US create man in OUR image”. Jesus said……If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father… Jesus said “I am”. The great I Am…..not to mention the miracles while Jesus walked His three year ministry……Raising the dead….the miracle of His own resurrection..
          Let me be clear as a Christian, I have no lack of love for my Mormon friends and I love And pray for the very brave Glenn Beck. And I support Mitt Romney…..just for the record. We just disagree with who we say Jesus is. I don’t think one can call Him Lord and Savior without believing He is God…..how could mere man forgive my sins and assure my eternity in heaven. No, I don’t worship three different Gods, I worship three in one. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
          I’m not sure but I believe the Holy Scriptures of God came before the Book of Mormon.
          Sorry I’m not as gifted in my response as you are. But I think Mormons are some of the best people and families in America. We can learn much from their example of family, patriotism, and good clean living. I do not agree that the Mormon Church is a Christian Church. Christian means a follower of Christ, the second person of the Trinity.
          Sent from my iPad

          • http://www.facebook.com/tradmore Tim Radmore

            Ok, they say they don’t believe in the trinity, then why on the very first page of the Book of Mormon does it say that they do?

          • http://www.facebook.com/angela.vaughn.3726 Angela Vaughn

            I talked with some Mormon missionaries who were trying to tell me about their faith and I specifically asked them, do you believe Jesus is Lucifer’s brother? They said “yes maam” I said, “Jesus is God.” They said “No maam.” They are not bible-believing Christians. As far as being great people, they believe they are saved by their works so of course they are great people. John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…. (titled the Deity of Jesus Christ in one of the bibles). Mormons are nice people, grew up around them and, until God saved me, it didnt matter to me what they believed but I found out that it is in contradiction to the bible and the true Jesus. If we care about people, are we just going to say, “they are nice people so it’s okay” or are we going to try to help them on the right way, Jesus is the only way (the right Jesus) not by our works or by baptism (baptism is obedience to God but it does not save).

          • http://www.facebook.com/endowoman2181 Melissa McFadden

            God would’ve never given us commandments to follow, if he didn’t want us to follow them. Their are two types of death, spiritual death and physical death. By Christ dying on the cross and raising from the dead , after 3 days. We will all be ressurected, no matter what we do. So Christ saved us from Physical death. in order to be saved from spiritual death, you need to keep God’s commandments and repent for your sins. With Christ dying on the cross, it gives us a chance to repent for our sins because he paid the price for them on the cross. When you get baptized, it washes all of your sins away and your a new person, so it does save you too.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.mitchell.37 Mike Mitchell

            Explain to me then how James chapter 2, verses 14-17, completely contradict your statement? Faith without works is dead. You need the works to prove your faith; blindly following while making no effort to show your true faith completely worthless.

          • Natalee

            Oh how I love your wording.. Thank you… I just keep making people mad. Bravo. :)

          • Anonymous

            I’m so glad to see that you are so much smarter than Theologians and Bible Scholars. Stuck in your man made traditions. Knowing nothing of the history of the Church or the Bible. Read your own Bible – even his Disciples at the time of his death and resurrection believed that he was a Great Prophet – listen to the two on the road to Emaus. Like so much else the Church has done to bring in pagans – they adopted whatever – the Trinity which didn’t come into being until the 4th century, Christmas trees – from Gaul’s, Now we have Santa Claus instead of celebrating the birth of Jesus, we bring presents to each other and the Wise Men brought gifts to the child, We have the Easter Bunny and Easter Eggs instead celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.

            As for the book of Mormon – taking it for what it says – translated from a book of gold leaves or plates found in NY – it doesn’t come before or after the bible – but sort of in the time soon after Rehoboam became King of Judah but before until after the resurrection of Jesus and a few years more – until they were killed off and only the book remained hidden until it was shown to Joseph Smith. You don’t have to believe any of that – but that is the time frame for the book of Mormon – and now you know about as much about that as how the bible was cobbled together to fit the beliefs of the Bishops and priests that put it together – or the version of the bible that you cling to.

          • Sheila

            You are so completely deceived.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pat-Wayne/100003837612306 Pat Wayne

            Salle, You are correct. Many mormons are really good people. But so were those who fell prey to Jim Jones. Joesph Smith was not much more than a talented snake oil salesman who had an education and gift of B.S. Discussion could go on all day long but there are some absolutes if you are a believer. First you recognize and respect the word of God–The Bible. Second, it is a book of God’s rules and commandments. There are more that just 10. One of the most important that relates to this situation is found in Revelations 22:18-19. Simply put… no one has the authority to add to or take away from the Bible as it is God’s work in its entirety. To add this by saying that the Book Of Mormon is more of God’s work is nothing less than blasphemy. This isn’t just a comment by a sideliner, I was a member of the LDS church for 25 years until I opened my eyes and ears, but mainly my heart and let Christ come in. My life has be soooo much better the past 5 years, I find life in a different light… His light.

          • Salee spriggins

            I appreciate your comments,Pat……thank you

            Sent from my iPad

          • Anonymous

            I can relate SS I was saved out of catholicism after many wasted years not knowing of the simple salvation of the true gospel as in Ephesians 2:8-9
            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
            May God bless you all.

          • Tamio

            @Pat, seems like you opened your heart, but closed your brain. Come on, quoting Revelations as the Book of Mormon adding to the word? I’m sure you’ve studied the history of the Bible. I’m sure I don’t need to educate you when all the different books were written and when and how they were all compiled. God didn’t hand us the Bible through a cloud and say, “This is my perfect word.” It is a Library (Biblioteque a.k.a. Bible) of books.

            Maybe you should convert to Judaism since Deuteronomy says the exact same thing, so the rest of the Old (after the Torah) and New Testaments should be thrown out as well according to your logic.

          • Brad Winterton

            No one but GOD has the right to add or take away from the Bible. God has added, it is the Book of Mormon, written for our time. It reinforces the Bible. Please Pat, don’t call our prophet a ‘snake oil salesman, ‘ you may not believe that he was a prophet, but I do. So be respectful, as Jesus would have us all be.

          • Anonymous

            also, Muslims believe the Quran was the last word from God, the final revelation from God. I believe all that we need from God is in the Bible, the whole Bible. We can use other resources to study and further understand the Bible and ancient history but the Bible says God gave us what we need within it’s pages. The Bible also defines a true prophet of God.

          • http://www.facebook.com/i.am.skye.flynn Skye Flynn

            Your life is so much better the past 5 years, since you picked the easier path, you know, the one too hell.

          • Sharon

            Pat, this is sad. Are you really saying that in 25 years of membership you NEVER gave your heart to Christ and let him in? Did you really understand your baptism? Glad you finally found the light. Seems like your eyes and ears were a bit clogged for a long time. His light shines for everyone who accepts it and HIm as their Savior. Good for you!

          • Lynne Verros

            Salee S- Well now……. I can’t say anything but The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints.
            There is only ONE Jesus Christ the son of God. There is not a Jesus for this religion and a Jesus for that religion. It depends on how that religion views Jesus Christ as the son of God. Your Jesus is the same as my Jesus- we just have different views of how we see Him. He is my Savior, my Redeemer, He is the living Christ, As a church we love Him, we follow His examples, we testify of Christ throughout our lives, He is the focus of our religion.
            He is Jesus Christ the beloved son of God our Heavely Father. There is no other.

          • Salee spriggins

            I disagree… We are not talking about the same Jesus. I totally respect your opinion and only God can reveal truth to us…..I know I’m a different person because of accepting Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. He rose again from the grave….he was all man and all God at the same time. He suffered willingly when he could have called down the angels in heaven. Going to the cross to take my punishment for my sin…..he’s the same, yesterday, today and forever…
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          • Leah

            No, the Mormon Jesus is NOT the same Jesus – the Mormon Jesus is a created being and the spirit brother of Lucifer!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            Okay if Jesus isn’t a “created being” then what is he? Where did he come from if he wasn’t created? Mormons believe that we all existed in the premortal life (before we were born) in heaven together before there was a war in Heaven. That is when Lucifer volunteered to come to Earth and be the Savior of the world and he said that his own will, not the Father’s will would be done. We also believe that the premortal Jesus (Jehovah) also volunteered to come and be the Saviour and said that not his will be done but the Father’s. So we do believe that we are ALL brothers and sisters in spirit because we are ALL created by God the Father. That includes Lucifer. Because if God didn’t create Lucifer then who did? I mean, everything on this planet and everything that exists was created by God, right? So, you see it is the same Jesus unless you believe in more than one Jesus, then I cannot help you there on that one.

          • Stacy Nelson

            “And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after this the judgement: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.” Hebrews 9:27-28. Judgement after death regardless of the prayers said for you. I have Mormon friends and they live a more moral life than most Christians. I do not judge them as to their salvation, since that is God’s business. However, how can one trust their eternal soul to an idea brought about by a rebellious 14 year old who ‘found some plates in a cave’ in 1820, made his dreams and thoughts into a book in 1830, called it the ‘Word of God’ yet by 1844 was editing the book, disagreeing with his own first printing? The boy was Joseph Smith, who destroyed the Law printing shop because of an article revealing Smiths polygamy. He found himself in jail at Carthage, Illinois over the destruction of William
            Law’s print shop. His many followers broke him out, leaving harm and damage. The point is, Mormons believe Jesus was begotten, physically, by their god, and that Jesus is having babies in Heaven as we speak. None of that makes a Mormon dangerous or non-trustworthy. Mormons are not violent nor do they practice terrorism. For my soul, I realized I am a sinner, the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. So I trusted Him, believed He was God in the flesh, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on the cross for me, rose the third day and is in Heaven by His Father making intercession for me, a sinner saved by grace, not of works lest any man should boast. It doesn’t make me better or worse than a Mormon.., it may make a difference in eternity, although if the Mormon has trusted this same Jesus as His Savior, he will be in Heaven. If not, God’s Word, much older than the 1800s, states he will not be. Many people did not trust John Kennedy because he was Catholic.., what we need to remember is who will be a good president.., who cares for America, who is honest.

          • Salee spriggins

            Thank you …..I could not have said it better………
            Sent from my iPad

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.mitchell.37 Mike Mitchell

            I have no idea where you get any of this doctrine from, but you obviously have been listening to one too many misled preachers.
            There is no Mormon doctrine that even remotely suggests that Mormons believe that Jesus is in heaven having babies right now.

          • Brad Winterton

            Yeah, I raised my eye brows on that statement too. I’m a Mormon, never heard of it. As the person above, I believe in Jesus Christ, he was born by a virgin, lived a perfect life, died on the cross for my sins, rose the third day. Only through Jesus Christ am I saved, because of Him I can repent, become clean. And. . I’m a Mormon.

          • DE Cannon

            Trusting Christ as Savior because He was our atonement for sin is required for salvation, what baffles me is the allegiance to a church with the history and man made ‘extras’ to the holy bible. That would cause me to re-examine my affiliation. I’ve done the same within Christianity as I’ve discovered ‘social’ doctrines within denominations of the Protestant faith. I worship at a non-denominational Christian church. The contradictions with scripture are obvious as well.

          • Sharon

            Stacy, REALLY? A rebellious 14-year old? Your information is so wrong. “However, how can one trust their eternal soul to an idea brought about by a rebellious 14 year old who ‘found some plates in a cave’ in 1820, made his dreams and thoughts into a book in 1830, called it the ‘Word of God’ yet by 1844 was editing the book, disagreeing with his own first printing? The boy was Joseph Smith, who destroyed the Law printing shop because of an article revealing Smiths polygamy. He found himself in jail at Carthage, Illinois over the destruction of William Law’s print shop. His many followers broke him out, leaving harm and damage. The point is, Mormons believe Jesus was begotten, physically, by their god, and that Jesus is having babies in Heaven as we speak. None of that makes a Mormon dangerous or non-trustworthy. Mormons are not violent nor do they practice terrorism.” This must have come from some preacher’s imagination, because it isn’t the truth. Another example of believing something that never happened. Why can’t you people understand that those who are against the LDS faith will lie to you? I can’t tell you how frustrated and sad I am at the drivel that is being told as truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.mitchell.37 Mike Mitchell

            Is it not possible to be ‘one’ with another being? Are you and your spouse not ‘one in heart’ with each other? One in purpose?
            This is, I believe, the true meaning of “He and I are one”; one in purpose.
            If you want a counter verse, Acts 7:55-56:
            55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
            56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
            So unless God was standing literally on his own right hand, there are pretty clearly two separate entities (and a third, since Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost).

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            Thank you!

          • Salee spriggins

            Mike, I do not claim to know the mysteries of God nor does He expect me to…He has asked us to trust Him. That is what I do and I trust His Word….I’m far from being a bible scholar but to quote the blind man in the Bible “I once was blind but now I see”. Amazing Grace……
            Sent from my iPad

          • Loggleposh

            Yes! Thank you. With all this discussion on the Trinity, it sounds like people are trying to understand God with a human brain. As much as we should try to learn from the Bible and live as it teaches, we must also understand that we as humans can not fully know God’s ways. Our brains have boundaries. God is bigger than us in so many wonderful ways. Don’t put Him in a box. Be it the concept of the Trinity as one or or a camel through the eye of a needle, God makes the impossible possible and who am I to limit Him with human logic?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            We do follow Christ. We believe in His teachings and strive to follow His example. So what makes you more of a Christian than us and what gives you the right to say that we are not Christians? We believe that God the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one in purpose but not in body. There are so many contradictions in Bible to the fact that you say they are all one person. For example when Jesus was Baptized by John the Baptist…Jesus said He was Baptized because it was the will of the Father….why didn’t he just say “My will”? When Jesus was on the cross why did Jesus cry out to the Father if He was the Father…it makes no sense. If that’s what you believe though, that’s fine with me, but I’m not going to say that you aren’t Christian because you don’t believe in the same things that I do. We consider Jesus Christ to be the cornerstone of our foundation and we believe that we can enter into the Kingdom only through the Son Jesus Christ. So how does that not make me a Christian in YOUR opinion?

          • Salee spriggins

            Jesus said no one gets to the Father accept through Him. If you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and rose again, confessed your sins and have been forgiven then I believe you are a born again Christian…..unfortunately, what we believe about who Jesus is, God in the flesh, differs than what the Mormon church teaches. Why do you need the Book of Mormon. Why isn’t the Holy Bible, God’s Word enough? I really want to know. Don’t be angry with me….
            Sent from my iPad

          • Tamio

            First off, I am Mormon and I love the Bible. It is a great compilation of great disciples and prophets of God. I especially enjoy reading the words of Christ. I believe it is the word of God.

            I also believe God spoke to Prophets everywhere to teach of the Good News. I believe those prophets wrote down their visions, prophecies, and testimonies of Christ. And if these writing help me better understand Christ and His plan, then why wouldn’t I read them?

            If God’s house is a house of order, than why is there so much confusion among the Christian faiths? Even on this post people are talking about being saved by Grace, other by works. About the Trinity and separate beings.

            I believe the Book of Mormon contains writings of prophets called of God as well. And reading the Bible and the B of M together help me better understand Christ and His plan for us.

            If you read the B of M and don’t feel closer to your Savior, I’d be surprised.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1051414631 Emily Peterman

            matt18:1 2cor 13:1

          • http://twitter.com/Nonstopmama Ruth

            Right on Salee thank you for doing your homework.

            Glen, It isn’t that we Christians don’t like Mormons and therefore we don’t consider them Christians. We don’t consider the Mormon religion a Christian religion because Mormons do not believe Jesus Christ was, is, and always will be God.

            And to think that we too can become gods of our own worlds is even more anti-christian in it’s teaching. Remember why Adam and Eve were thrown out of paradise? Remember the only reason why Christ had to die and redeem us? It is because of the sin of Pride. The devil himself tempted Adam and Eve to want to be “like God.” So isn’t that anti-Christian in it’s teaching?

            We Christians are commanded not to worship any other god so why would it be permissible to become a god ourselves?

            Christians who know Mormons know they are very Christ-like in their behaviors and practices but they are not Christian in their teachings.

          • Brad Winterton

            I appreciate your kind words about your LDS neighbors. I also appreciate your willingness to disagree in a kind manner. On the scriptures you quoted above, they are words I love. “I and the Father are one, ” one in purpose, one in doctrine. “If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father,” because they are so similiar. For example, people who get to know my daughter first and then get to know me, always say, “Oh, I would have known that was your mother, you two are just alike.”

            I am no doctrinal genius (obviously), but I wanted to share my humble perspective. Regardless of how we see God, we BOTH worship and esteem God (Heavenly Father) and his son, Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost being a member of the God-head, a person of spirit.

            I am grateful for Christians everywhere and of every religion that pray, and that try to follow Jesus Christ’s example. I know that as a people, and as a nation we will be blessed for following the teachings of the Savior. In today’s world, if we don’t come together, under Christ’s name, then we will be weakened as a nation and our religious freedoms could possibly be taken from us.

          • jude

            I’m in complete agreement w/ ALL YOU SAID–WHAT YOU HAVE STATED IS IN the BIBLE — no really, this is very well said– thank you –see you in HEAVEN—

        • http://www.facebook.com/WildStrawberry Kimberly Benhase Farrell

          Your “scholars” seem to have forgotten the words of Christ Himself in Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”. http://bible.cc/matthew/28-19.htm The most important word there is capitalized (by me) “NAME”. Not “names”. The singular nature of the word “name” shows that the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is ONE God with Three persons.

          • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

            The problem with that is that the “Father” is a personage. The “Son” is a personage. The “Holy Spirit” is not a personage.

          • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

            The Holy Spirit is the “Power” of God, how God is omnipotent, able to be everywhere.

          • Joan Smith

            SO well put, thank you, Kimberly!

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.turney.98 John Turney

            Kimberly,
            Misquoting Jesus was what you just did and what Erhman entitled his book. It says “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” which is correct. You left out the “and” before the Son. And the most important words are “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Ghost”. In Greek it is patros, huiou, pneumatos. It’s a neat trick, but the fact of the matter is the doctine of the Trinity came about from the Councils in the 4th century uder the authority of Constantine, the Pagan, who on this issue asserted his power to make God conform with Hellenistic beliefs. Years after the Council at Nicea, Constantine converted to Christianity, but only after he made sure the Christian God was similar in nature to the Roman gods.

            Believe as you desire, but allow me the same right. I believe in the Jesus of the New Testament, and you believe the same thing. But why is only one of us saying the other is not Christian?

        • Anonymous

          you are so right, it was added and nothing in the Bible supports a Trinity nor that verse. Sadly, ministers today just accept traditions from their forefathers without questioning and without the proof we are to seek. As the Bible says, prove all things! Great post Wendi!

          • Anonymous

            U r so wrong. Read John 1:18

        • Anonymous

          here’s a great article explaining it…frankly, it never made sense to me that there was a third Godhead, a Spirit. What did make sense to me was that the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of God the Father and Son as they are One. If the Holy Spirit was separate from the Father and the Son, why did our Lord have to leave that He might send the Helper, the Holy Spirit? The Trinity has always troubled me so I decided to study up on it and see what the truth was and frankly, I wasn’t surprised to find that the Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible except for the verses in I John 5:7-8 that were added much later.

          http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Audio.details/ID/316/printer/friendly

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5PK2VXU2SCOTVABMMRQVF7HT3Q denis d

          Hmm, well being that the word “trinity” is not found in the Bible but the Bible does infact teach rather indeapth concering the 3 as 1. I was rased as a JW unfortionatly but when you look at the account of the creation God the Father has the Holy spirit hovering above the waters. Jesus before he was in human form was called the Angel of he Lord being the very same Angel of the Lord ready to kill Bahlem. We also see when Jesus is questioned by the religious about his being God or the son of God and he tlls them that he is the “I Am” To many religious groups try to argue about Jesus saying that God the Father is greater etc,etc… but what people seem t forget is that Jesus was teaching men from a mans point of view, not as God himself. When Jesus said on th cross, My God my God why have you forsaken me? Was this a controdiction? No, not at all. God the father is God and Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is as well. all 3 are one equal part of the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob. Just read Rev 1:17 where it says : And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon
          me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last……So who is this talking to John? Is it not God? God uses the titel “First and the Last” which all students of the Bible in history can agree that First and Last, Alpha and Omega etc.. are God the Father…….Now, lets move to Rev 1:18, the very next verse where God the father is still talking to John :I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen;
          and have the keys of hell and of death…… OK, Well, if verse 17 was God the Father/God, then how was he dead and alive forever more? How did God get the keys of hell and death if the 3 are not one? Remember, when Jesus told his follows that one greater than I will come that he was talking about the Holy Spirt from the day of Penticost. Even though the Holy Spirt is not to be worshiped but is here to testify and make real the account of Christ and draw us to the Lord. The Holy Spirit as we know by the Word of God is the “spirit” of God. All 3 function as 1 Godhead and one cannot go on without the other. All 3 are eternal and none of them were created. Christ was not created, by Christ stating that he is the “I Am” that ends any and all arguments concerning that issue. Anyhow, thats just my opinion concerning the issue in a nutshell. I could quote scripture all day long to back upp what my views are but what I think is most important is that you will know in your heart what is right based on your relationship with Christ. Our Lord has a wonderful way of confirming things in our hearts and the time He spends with us when we spend time lifting him up builds a rlationship that unfortionatly to few chirstians ever experiance………. Try getting on your face and worship the Lord on your own. Keep singin praises to him and stay in prayer until you feel his spirit fall upon you. These are the greatest times you will ever have with the Lord and I can promise you one thing, if yu push through that extra hour, if you ait on the Lord instead of give up after 10 minutes of personal prayer your going to understand what others mean when they say that they cannot stand to be away from the presence of th Lord.

        • hughs500

          By Wallace Goddard <<<
          http://ldsmag.com/article/1/11409

        • hughs500

          http://ldsmag.com/article/1/11409 <<<< Thanks for the paste Wendi :p

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Billy-Bob/100003136573348 Billy Bob

        Sally, You admit you do not know the answers and then proceed to make a judgement. Not very Christian of you.

        • Salee spriggins

          That would be Salee, Billy Bob. I am not judging anyone….I’m merely stating the difference between Momons and Christians when it comes to who Jesus is.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Susandeana Susie Nelson

            Salee, I totally understand what you are saying and agree. You are not judging. And, honestly, you are not really arguing.., you are stating a knowledgeable difference in Mormon belief and Christian belief. And as we both agree, if a person comes to the awareness that he sins (there is none good, no not one–for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God), then the wages of sin is death, the next step for any honest soul seeking truth, is to find a way of salvation. From Genesis to Revelation, Jesus is the cornerstone, and the clear path to eternal life is knowing Abraham told Isaac, “My son, God will prepare HIMSELF a sacrifice,” when he replied to his son’s question, “My father, here is the wood and the fire, but where is the sacrifice?” not knowing it was Isaac, himself, to be sacrificed. The scripture was fulfilled when Jesus (as God had prepared Himself), was sacrificed for my sins, for your sins and the sins of the world. Our responsibility is just to believe Him. Once that acceptance of His sacrifice, once we trust His word, we are forever His, and nothing shall separate us from His love or for spending eternity with Him. We do not believe anything added to God’s word, or taken from God’s word, and especially do we not accept the writing or ‘revelation’ of an 1830 human being over the word of Moses, the prophets and of Christ, Himself, when He said, come unto me all you that are tired and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Again, we are not arguing. I am 81 and have lived life in many different environments and situations. Having married at 16, having 4 children, at different times with little finances and other times, more than enough. Then losing first, my #3 child, then my beloved husband, then my oldest child in a matter of about 5 + short years. Without the comfort and strength and presence of my Savior, I could not have retained even a slight portion of sanity. What I am trying to say is that people of faith and good will refuse to argue or criticize or scorn someone who has a different belief.., as you have done your best to maintain that kindness.., giving them the right to believe their philosophy yet hanging steady with your strong faith in Jesus Christ. Most Mormons that I have met will not get angry.., they will not disdain or discredit and condemn you for having your own belief, but there will be a few acting as if you are unlearned, acting as if you ‘are stuck with the Bible’ or that you are narrow minded for using only God’s word for your resource. Well, we are in good company as long as the Bible is our point of reference. The best thing a Christian can do is give testimony of our salvation and faith in God and His son, Jesus. May He continue to bless you for your faithfulness to Him.

          • Salee spriggins

            I appreciate your kind words. God, the Father is our judge and He is a just judge…
            Sent from my iPad

      • Bot Bot

        . Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit.

        For example, it was an emperor (Constantine) . who introduced a term, homousious, which defined the Son as “consubstantial” (one being) with the Father. Neither term or anything like it is in the New Testament. Harper’s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.”

        Furthermore, 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians
        http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/01/richard_price.php

        Thomas Jefferson rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, calling it “mere Abracadabra” and “hocus-pocus phantasm.” The Church of Jesus Christ
        (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts and the Founders.

        • Anonymous

          It is wonderful that we live in a time and in a country where you can believe anything you want to. wasn’t always so.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jake.bennett.3720 Jake Bennett

            How does anyone vote that comment down? Seriously.

        • Anonymous

          The doctrine of the Trinity was not in the early manuscripts. It was added much later around 300-400 AD.

      • Anonymous

        Suppose you look up the beginning of the “Trinity”, not the early Christians – the 4th century Bishops introduced it. God is God; Jesus is his “only begotten Son, his inheritance is the Earth, Lord of Lords and King of Kings; the Holy Spirit is that power that God uses. Jesus is NOT God. He stands at the right hand of his Father God, (I have not a thought about HOW the official Church leaders think of Jesus in the Godhead.)

        • ValueSet

          If Jesus is not God, why did He accept the worship ?
          “Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him ; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. THEREFORE GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. AND SURELY I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS , TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE.” Matthew 28 : 16-20 By accepting worship, Jesus demonstrated His Divinity.

      • CincyGirl69

        A lot of traditional Christians don’t believe in the Trinity. To believe in the Trinity–meaning the Godhead, where the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all one “person”–means that Christ was praying to himself in the garden of Gethsemane. Think about it.

        • Leah

          The Hebrew word “Elohim” is a plural one, meaning several in one. But still ONE.

          • CincyGirl69

            Leah, the word “Elohim” does indeed mean “Gods” but it does not specify itself to the point that you could say it means the Trinity. “Elohim” does not mean “several in one.” It means “Gods.” And yes, God is “One” as man is “one.” But this does not make a bit of sense if you say that the Son (Christ) is the same as God the Father. Again, Christ would not have made reference to the Father or pray to Him if he were only a part of Himself. Crystal

          • http://www.facebook.com/pjdub John Wilson

            You are awesome Crystal…coming from a Mormon

          • Anonymous

            Elohim…

            1) (plural)
            a) rulers, judges
            b) divine ones
            c) angels
            d) gods
            2) (plural intensive – singular meaning)
            a) god, goddess
            b) godlike one
            c) works or special possessions of God
            d) the (true) God
            e) God

        • Tl

          Tthat is a misconception frequently quoted by Mormons in my aquaintance. Is tht somehting that is taught to say to others? It’s something I’ve heard several times by Mormons that is why I ask. Just as the concept of the Tirinity is difficult to explain so is the doctrine that you will be gods of your own planets (Mormon doctrine). Just food for thought as having a full theological discussion is not feesible in this kind of forum. I have Mormon friends in fact one family friend is to be the head of the Temple in a large city in CA (uncomforatble to give out which one for his anonymity) I love their family. We jsut disagree theologically.

          • CincyGirl69

            It’s not a misconception…Christ was praying to His Father…and it’s not just Mormons that have a problem with the Trinity idea. I was raised in the Church of Christ and they absolutely DID NOT believe in the Trinity idea as most propose. They believed like the Mormons believe…there is a Father, there is a Son and there is a Holy Ghost. They are not the same person… Crystal

          • Tl

            The misconception is not that Jeuss prayed to the Father, the misconception is what the Trinity means in a thoughful well studied manner rahter than in quick theology. And that adds to another point I made in another post earlier which is that there is a difference and both doctrines cannot logically be true. In a nutshell discussion I can throw out a very simple analogy thta an apple is an apple even if it has the ability to be separeted into skin, meat and core. It is still an apple and only one apple, not three apples. Yes I realize that analogy breaks down and as I said a discussion of the Trinity cannot be fully dealt with in this type of forum however in very simplistic terms that is a snippet of the meaning. As to the Mormon doctrine of becoming gods of your own planets…no one ever engages on that and I am really wanting an understanding if all Mormons know of that doctrine and if so how tht is the same as Christianity for those who claim Christinaity and Mormonism are the same.

          • CincyGirl69

            There are many discourses that early prophets of the church made as to their personal beliefs…these aren’t considered church doctrine, because they were not divinely inspired. They are just the opinions of men who were prophets of the church in the early days. There are many such things in early text that the church doesn’t officially believe to be doctrinal. This is why you won’t hear many folks in the Mormon church speaking of these things. It wasn’t a prophecy from God given to the people. It was the writings of a mortal man and his opinion on the nature of things. You are not speaking of something that is anything to do with the Mormon religion. You are speaking of an opinion (and I believe it was Brigham Young….) I can check that for you if you like. I can see where you would be confused about that. Crystal

          • Tl

            I have to go back but I think some of that is in Doctrines and Covenants and also espoused by Joseph Smith at the inception of Mromonsim. Is only some of that still believed by the church (doctrines and covenants)? I really dont know. I have honeslty found the Doctrines and Covenants a bit ponderous to read through but troubling in some of its theological differnces. Troubling in the sense that so many try to say that the Mormon Church believes the same thing as the Christian Church which I just dont find to be the case in many ways. I am really appreciative of your response. Have a goo d night. I’ll check in the morning if there are any more comments. T

          • CincyGirl69

            I am married to a Mormon but we’ve been pretty inactive…me mostly…and honestly, I only know what I am told…he was a missionary and if you have questions, I would be happy to ask him and get the answer for you. Crystal

          • NotoriousGOP

            BrighamYoung claimed that his word was scripture. Isn’t scripture inspired by God? and if so then why did he say that I as a “white” man should be put to death for marring a “black” woman?
            “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 (January 2, 1870)”
            “Immediate death for whites who marry blacks – it will always be so!

            The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
            Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)”

          • CincyGirl69

            TI….this was what I found for you. It gives you a place to look.

            “…since mortal beings are the spirit children of Heavenly Parents, as pointed out in the last chapter, the ultimate possibility is for some of them to become exalted to Godhood.” (The Gospel Through the Ages, Hunter, p.104) Brigham Young declared: “Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.245). Crystal

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            ok, i am no theologist but I am a faithful Mormon. We believe that we are the spirit children of God the Father. We are his children. Just like I want my children to learn and grow, be good in school, go to college, get married, learn the worth of hard work and service to others, and to love their fellow men,,,so does God want us to live a life and learn and grow. God is perfect and he already has a perfected body that looks like ours of flesh and blood. We were first his spirit children and in order to start our time on earth, to learn and grow, sin and repent, and intimately become better,,,we needed to come to earth and first get our own bodies. Hence birth. So we go through trials and sicknesses and hopefully we can become stronger through them, find our faith, and earn getting to live back with God again. So just like I want my children to grow and live a life like me and hopefully become good people like I’m trying to be, its somewhat mirrored with God wanting the absolute best for us and he has the best. we get baptized, get married in the temple, I die and I can still be sealed to my husband as a married couple. We continue to grow and progress in the afterlife. our bodies are resurrected and are perfected like God’s (Jesus’s body is perfect except he kept his scars to show people). Eternal life with God means I have all the time in the world to learn all the endless things God knows about how to create, or just anything. So God then allows us to inherit the type of life he had. We’ll have our own spirit Children and make our own earth and start the process over. It freaks people out because its different then anything anyone else believes so most mormons dont want to throw it all out there to a friend and maybe lose a friendship with weirdness. If people dont choose to be baptized while living on earth then thats why we do all of our temple work for the dead so faithfully. Everyone has the right to inherit all that God has offered. Sometimes people just choose to accept it in the next life. Jesus Christ came to earth to pay for our sins in the Garden, His sacrifice is what allows us to repent of our sins and still be eligible for perfection some day. since he paid for those sins he is the only one that can be our judge and allow for mercy with the father. God gave commandments and says don’t do these things, we slip up and do them and want to repent but if God just lets it slip by then it is no longer a COMMANDMENT. So he set up a plan for Jesus (a separate person) to allow for mercy, someone who has already paid the price for the sin. This way God’s law that was broken was still paid for and we are able to have mercy. Its a true testament that we DO have a LOVING Heavenly Father because he knew we were going to sin and wanted to make sure we still had a way to come back to him after our earth life. yes the fact that we can become like God the Father bodes the question that was God once like us? Then where is his God the Father? You wanted this straight up from a Mormon. Those questions are deep stuff that is there for us to consider but it is always pressed that our Father in heaven is God the Father and our only God. Jesus is Jesus Christ the Savior of all Man-kind. The End. Be shocked or awed or disgusted. I believe these things to be true and it makes sense to me why we are here.

          • Tl

            Thank you. That is the first thorough explaniation about becoming gods and other not so easily understood or found doctrines. I had read various excerpts and your explanaiton shows tht there is a difference between Mormonism and Christianity…which do not believe the same things. I too teach my children to Love the Lord with all their heart and to treat others the way Jesus did and to live good lives. We believe that God is Spirit and He has no beginning or end. He does not have a body. Jesus was God in the flesh. And yes that brings us to the Trinitarian view of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being one. Definitely a thought filled study and discussion. Although many Christians and Mormons (those who pratice their faith, not just those who identify themselves as such) agree on many points of how to live a godly life of love and forgiveness. My earlier points as to differences are exactly that…we are different. I do not agree with Mormon theology and Mormons don’t agree with Christian theology. Saying we are the same would not be accurate. As Mormons do, many Christians go on mission trips, share their beliefs with their friends, family and neighbors etc. WE often do so through relationship building rather than door knocking. Many of us are involved in missions to thrid world countries and helping the poor and needy. I believe the Bible to be the completion of God’s written revelation. I believe the lack of corroboration of the golden tablets, the lack of archaeological evidence of people groups mentioned in the book of Mormon, the mention of animals only being those known from Asia but not found in South America where they should have a representation in the fossils but dont, show the lack of credible evidence for what is claimed in Mormonism. There is a difference. As to being shocked, disgusted or awed I am none. I had pondered these differences many times as I tried to understand what was different between the two groups. We disagree on the validity of Joseph Smith’s revelation and what he claimed and taught. WE have a different belief of what the Bible teaches and what the Apostle Paul menat when he said that we should never accept another teaching. We disagree on the nature of God. We agree that we should live upright honest loving lives . I dont know if Mormons read their Bibles much but if they do I would imagine we would agree that it is good to love our enemies, pray for those who persecute us and do good to those who hate us. WE can agree on non theological themes. We do not agree on Theological themes. Mormons and Christians believe different things and I think that is what a lot of the posts have been about. That we are differnt. Those unsure or those looking should know what each group believes in it’s entirety before joining. It is always good to understand what is being taught. Thank you for your thorough explanation of Mormon beliefs.

          • Sharon

            A good explanation, but brief, as is needed for people who believe that the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day saints don’t believe in Christ and aren’t Christians. Everyone is different. Mormons ( Latter-day Saints) read their Bibles and other scriptures. They love the Lord and have a true desire to follow His ways. They pray to the Father in Heaven for blessings for themselves and others. Why is it so hard for people to talk to a member of the Church to find out what is real? Why must they believe things that are taught by non-members and anti-mormon literature? It is good to love our enemies. Early Mormons were killed and had their lands and homes stolen from them in the name of whatever they decided at the time. They came to Utah to get away from the persecution and hate. They haven’t gotten away from it; they are getting it from all sides and told to change and be part of the world. Our Father in Heaven (God, if you will) is the only God. Jesus Christ is the only Savior of the world, and yet that isn’t enough for you. So sad. ONe happy thought, though, no matter what is said here, after we leave this earthly existence, we will all see the truth. IN the meantime, we all DO need to love and help each other. Times coming in the future are dark and we must hold each other up when they get here.

          • Anonymous

            Much of what you say about credible evidence is being debunked. First off there were many witnesses to the plates who never recanted their testimonies. They saw them, they touched them and bore written testimony of their authenticity.
            There are many evidences in central America of the book of Mormon peoples. You just have to look. I have been there and done that with professional archaeologists. The information is there and when God wants it revealed through science it will be. Right now he wants his truth revealed through faith and the Holy Ghost.

          • Natalee

            The men who saw the BOM where all family and or had stock or benifited in its “existance”..

          • Tl

            The Bible has been subject to being proved for years and years. Why should Mormon literature be different? Please note the sites which have information on archaelogical finds as I would be interested to read them. According to everything I can find there arent any found items described in the Book of Mormon. As to a previous comment that I am anti-Mormon, that isn’t ture I dont believe Mromon theology is correct. I dont believe it is the same as CHristianity. I am not anti-Muslim either. I just dont believe Islam is correct. The difference is that Muslims dont claim to be Christians becuase they are indeed Muslim and have different beliefs. Just as I beleive Mormons are not Christians becasue they have Mormon beliefs and not Christian beliefs. If I go back to the original reason I wrote, it is to say that there are differences, which another previous Mormon writer succinctly described about Mormon’s belief that God was once like us . That is distinctly Mormon and not Christian. As to proving Mormonism…there weill always be those who try to disprove the Christianity and Mormonsim, and I know Chrstianity will continue to fall under scrutiny. It has for a long time. There is no valid reason why Mormonism shold not submit to the same scrutiny. If you believe ti to be ture there should be no fear that it will be disproved or any reason to not engage in fair conversation about claims that are questionable. All thinking reasonable people including Chrisitans and Mormons should be able to give a credible defense of their faith and not merely fall back on the intabgible “well I just believe it because that is how I grew up or some other non answer. That is someithing people from all faiths must be able to do…discuss reassonable questions about their faith and what it claims and be able to truthfully within themselves question why they believe somehting. You say you have been to Archaelogical sites which back up the Book of Mormon..menaing that there are cities? or tools? or swords? somehting….and why wouldn’t the Mormon church publish those facts openly? Why would it be based only on faith if it is found? If it is found is there a website where it is published. The truth doesn’t need to be hdden but be revealed. I am honeslty open to a valid site that shows soemthing from the Book of Mormon in a n archaeologcial find. Hopefully, you are also willing to carefully scrutinize you rbeliefs..and yes I did with mine through significant study academically and personally. I wanted to thoroughly study the background and tenets of the Christian faith. There were some things I questioned and found answers to. Other things I still find puzzling. In the end God is the judge and I dont judge others, here I am merely stating that Mormonism and Christianity claim different truths so to say that Mormonism and Christianity are the same would be like saying two plus two is four and three plus to is also four. It isn’t logical. Mormonism is Mormonism and Chrsitianity is Christianity. You claim you are right, Muslims claim they are right, Buddhist claim they are right, Christians claim they are right etc…if only one is right, then by logic another is not. And to those who say every religion has some truht, some truth is not all truth and in the end all relgions make exclusive claims and if one is ultimately true it follows thta although the others may have some truth overall they are false. There will never be agreement among everyone. I believe Christianity is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Jews would disagree as would Muslims and Mormons and many others. I am willing to examine difficult doctrines many are not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pjdub John Wilson

            I am LDS and did not know that the Church of Christ also taught that they are not the same person. Thank you.

          • DE Cannon

            The Church of Christ to which you refer is not a denomination and therefore has no ‘universal’ written doctrine.

        • jude

          no- 1-HE IS NOT- HE IS OBEYING HIS FATHER – ALSO JESUS SAID HE HAD TO LEAVE BEFORE THE HOLY SPIRIT COULD COME TO US ON EARTH–THIS BLESSED
          TRINITY –3 PERSONS-IN ONE GOD IS A GREAT MYSTERY-
          -

          • CincyGirl69

            Jude, I think you misunderstood my writing. I said that Christ praying to his Father in the Garden of Gethsemane would be impossible if the two were the same personage….I did not say he was praying to himself….I am opposed to the theological idea of the Trinity. I believe there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Crystal

        • http://www.facebook.com/debbie.heck.902 Debbie Heck

          I believe it MAY be explained like the three phases of water: ice liquid, and steam. God can be thought of as the “same” in all phases, certainly the Holy Spirit like the steam we can’t see but whose effects we can feel.

      • Lynne Verros

        If you mean do Mormons believe in God the Eternal Father, His son Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost? Yes, they do. Do they believe that Jesus Christ was born flesh and blood here on Earth? – of course they do.
        They believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, that He was born in Bethleham to a virgin who was espoused to Joseph. It’s all there in the New Testament of The Bible; most likely the same version you read every Sunday. (KJV)
        Things I couldn’t figure out when I was looking for spiritual answers……
        Does Jesus Christ have His Fathers body? My answer is No, Jesus has a body of His own, How could Jesus be His own father looking down as He was baptized by John?
        Are Jesus Christ and God the same person? My answer is No, Jesus is the son of God. As God is the father of us all, we are all children of our Heavenly Father.
        So many pastors, ministers, priests, etc couldn’t answer the questions I had as a teenager. So I kept looking. Those were some major questions I had growing up and nobody liked my answers until I met the LDS (Mormon) missionaries and they agreed with me! They also didn’t think I was crazy when I told them that God had to have a body if He could “walk” “speak” have a “finger” an “arm” or have a “right side”… and the biggie- make us “in His own image”
        I think that there are different religions that look at things a bit differently- but have the same goals in their lives to obtain. Don’t we all work towards eternal life in Heaven? It just took me awhile to find the religion that I agreed with. I am Mormon and proud of it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

          John 1:1 – In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

          • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

            The Word, (that was spirit) was sent to be the messiah in the flesh, begotton by God unto the virgin Mary, thusly making God his father. Jesus, lived his earthly life with a mortal body, he was “of the flesh” during his time on earth. He was resurrected back into his spirit body.

          • Anonymous

            Tony, you almost have it, The Holy Ghost or spirit was sent by Christ to us upon his departure from earth as our comforter. Our guide and provider of what we need to walk daily with Christ. Presently I believe that since His work on earth as he said on the cross, “It is finished” He is with the Father sitting on the right side of the throne protecting and answering prayers of the faithful. The Holy Ghost or spirit is here among us doing the work He was sent here to do such as baptizing by fire. (read acts 2: 2-4 ) and giving of the gifts from GOD. Have a blessed day my friend.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/i.am.skye.flynn Skye Flynn

            The Word was not the Spirit, the Spirit testifies that what the Word teaches is true, the Word teaches God’s plan for us. They are one, not one in being, but one in their goal of having all God’s children return to him. They are a team (to use a sports analogy). They are one in purpose, not in body.

          • http://www.facebook.com/all.4.him.1971 Bryan Keith Joiner

            sorry skye but what you’re saying is not backed up by any scripture. That is your belief,fine. But just because you believe something doesn’t make it true. BGack it up with some Scriptures. Then you can begin a discussion.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, know the truth if you dare about Mormon doctrine as written in their own official doctrines and be blessed.

          • Lynn

            I don’t usually ever respond to people’s posts since when it comes to region only the Holy Ghost can change your mind but I felt so strongly that those who read your post realize that when you say Jesus was resurrected back into a spirit body, you are taking away from him the great accomplishment of the resurrection and his being the first to have a resurrected body of flesh and bone. The whole purpose of his visit to the apostles, the men he met on the road to Arramas, and all the rest of his post resurrection visits was to show that he had a body and was not a spirit. He told them to touch him and to see he was not a spirit in Luke 24:39. He ate with them, he is alive and that is the most beautiful thing in the scriptures, that he did for us was give us that same opportunity with his sacrifice and the Atonement.

          • Melody

            Thanks Lynn! Great explanation.

          • Anonymous

            And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Nothing was made that was not made by Him.

          • Anonymous

            Tony, John 1:18 does not prove the Trinity…I don’t understand where you are coming from.

        • Natalee

          Jesus says these things in the bible… God the Father has no body of flesh and bone. Never has.
          John 4:24 (KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
          Luke 24:39 (KJV) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
          And in the LDS history many prophets have stated that God (the PHYSICAL MAN) got mary pregnant… not the spirit.. They also believed that Adam was God, and Mary one of his heavenly wives… Know your history.
          God told us in the bible we will know a false propet by his false prophacies.
          “But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 “And you may say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’ 22 “When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him,” (Deut. 18:20-22).
          Joseph Smith had many, many, many prophacies that didn’t come true. According to God we should be afraid of him and his teachings.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/JasonandCarmen-Powell/100000243530888 JasonandCarmen Powell

            @Natalee I am not sure where you have researched your so called “historical facts” but us LDS have NEVER taught nor believed that God came down and got Mary pregnant nor have we ever believed that Mary is or was one of his “heavenly wives.” This is so ridiculous it’s laughable. Poor you!!! LOL!!! And just because this is what your preacher taught or this was in one of your anti-mormon videos shown at your church doesn’t make it true. After all your preacher is just a man. False prophets is also referred to people who teach things that are untrue like “Joseph Smith had many, many, many prophecies (notice I spelled it correctly) that didn’t come true. According to God we should be afraid of him and his teachings.” So according to your own statement you are also a false prophet because I mean, did God tell you that you should be afraid of Jospeh and for you to go and tell everyone? “But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously…” hmmmm

          • Natalee

            Thank you for correcting my spelling, whew, I was stressing it. Now let me correct you.
            Brigham Young said: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses, volume 8, p. 115)
            He also said: “When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost… Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, pp. 50, 51)
            Joseph Fielding Smith wrote:
            “Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of man, and that man was God! They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten [conceived] of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible.” Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 18,19
            Bruce McConkie:
            “And so, in the final analysis it is the faithful saints, those who have testimonies of the truth and divinity of this great latter-day work, who declare our Lord’s generation to the world. Their testimony is that Mary’s son is God’s Son; that he was conceived and begotten in the normal way; that he took upon himself mortality by the natural birth processes; that he inherited the power of mortality from his mother and the power of immortality from his Father-in consequence of all of which he was able to work out the infinite and eternal atonement” (The Promised Messiah: The First Coming of Christ, p. 473).
            Feel free to check the facts. Most of which you can find in BYU’s historical documents online..
            It always cracks me up, when its assumed people who speak against the churches history, belong to some anti mormon church where they learn to hate… Fact is, I was like that for a long time. When I attend church I learn about Gods love, the bible, how to grow stronger in him.. How I am a sinner, and Jesus came and died to pay for my sins in full… I learn that faith without works is dead, so I choose to accept my sin, and know that I am perfect threw him. We don’t talk about mormons. Ive chosen to do the research because after being in the church for so long, it was hard for me to face the facts, I was compltely convinced if I left the church I would go to “eternal darkness”… I am grateful every day that Jesus found and saved me.
            As far as my being a false prohet… well I never claimed to be a prophet. The BIBLE says to be afraid of false prophets.. Yes the BIBLE is Gods word. The bible gives many words of wisdom to lead us to him, and not into falsehoods. The Bible is the word of God.
            I said this a few times I do believe that LDS can be as saved as anyone else who surrenders to the lord, and professes Jesus name as their savior. The history is sketchy at best. It seems like a waste of time, to me, to give all your works, faith, and time to a church when God asks us to serve him. I do believe that the majority of the LDS don’t really know the history of the church, or some of the practices and docterins of the early days. When it comes down to it God sees your heart. Its about what you believe, not what your church believes. Its about your personal relationship with Jesus, not your attendance, and devotion to a church.

          • deon a

            Oh how I do love the truth, thank you so much Jason and Carmen I knew I had read it before from one of their former prophets. You know one thing that I learned while being a “Mormon” myself is how most Mormons do not have a clue as to what they really do teach in their own church much like my own Christian faith. Watch the documentary my friends “the God makers” check out cult books and read about Mormonism and be informed and be blessed.

          • Anonymous

            If you really want to know the truth read the Book of Mormon and pray about it.

          • Natalee

            If you really want to know the truth buy a NIV bible (so you can understand it) and read it with an open heart and open mind.. and pray about it.

          • Anonymous

            Have done.. It’s a translation of a translation of a translation. Many plain and precious truths have been changed…. But I love you sister!

          • Natalee

            I read a bible that has the NIV on one side of the page and the KJV on the other side of the page… makes things easier for comparison.

            On the other hand I have also done comparisons of the book of mormon to books like “the view of the hebrews” “the wonders of nature” “apocrypha” “the spaulding Rigdon writtings” also even the KJ bible itself… seems all of these writtings where inspired before JS combine them in one book and entitled it “the book of mormon” and based an entire religon around it, telling people it was the “most correct book on earth”.
            I have read the BOM more then once cover to cover, with a fully open and even desirable heart.. praying for god to show me it was true… I got nothing… I’m sure you think I did something wrong.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think you have done anything wrong. I think I have gone down the same path and received, for whatever reason, a different result. Joseph Smith was a 14 year old boy with very little education. I don’t believe he compiled from other writings. When you read the history, those who saw and felt the plates, those who worked with Joseph in the translation etc. There is really only one conclusion that a person can come to. I learned all of this only after the spirit of God testified to me of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I do believe it to be the word of God and a companion to the bible. It is truly the stick of Joseph testified of in the Old Testament. It is the companion to the Stick of Judah (Bible) and testifies to the divinity of Jesus Christ. What a great blessing it has been in this sinners life.

          • Natalee

            You do know that JS claimed to have his first vision when he was 14, (some say 17 becuase until 17 the vision wasn’t of God the Father and the Son it changed quite a few times)… and he didn’t actually go and get the plates till he was 22.. right? and nothing was published for another 4 years.
            His Family told him from the time he was a very young boy that he would be chosen to be the great leader of a church reorginised. He was prepped for this “calling” he had plenty of time (12 years) and desire to fulfill what he was told his whole life he would become.
            There is no denying the BOM is a plagerized from a combination of books, its fact. the books existed before the BOM and a lot of it is word for word. The LDS church take on it is that truth is truth, no mater where it came from.. God inspires different people.
            I am happy you are happy in your Faith, what a blessing for you. I appreciate your words friend..
            I tend to get defencive when told if I just read the BOM with an open heart God will reveal to me its truth.. and no matter how long, or how hard I tried I didn’t find it there I found it else where.. I believe we all have different paths, and LDS wasn’t mine, it was not where God wanted me. But i can appreciate that He finds us all in different places, and as long as we keep our hearts to Him, He will guide us where he wants us to be. :) Have a blessed day.

          • Anonymous

            Natalie, You too have a blessed day. I appreciate your attitude and your zeal towards our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Thank you for sharing your faith with me.

          • Natalee

            And I thank you for giving me a challange in a kind and genuine way. I appracaite that you stand by your faith and choose to listen others with an open heart, and don’t resort to name calling.. a friendly debate of humble minds is always refreshing. I greatly appracaite your love for the Lord. God is good! :) God is love. :)

          • Anonymous

            You may want to read some of the books from Sandra Tanner!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, and this too especially. The truth easily accessed here.

          • Marc Call

            Dude you have posted this link a million times in here, STOP IT!

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            It bares repeating. Rom 8:1 Therefore (means you should read the paragraph before to se why it is there for.;) there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
            (How can you be IN Christ Jesus? Well you can get on line and buy a plane ticket to get to Sweden. You can pack your bags. Hire someone to take you to the airport. Stand in the “terminal” and watch the airplane you bought a ticket take off for Sweden. But if you don’t give the flight attendant your boarding pass you are not in the plane going to Sweden, are you?) 2. because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powrless to do i that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did be sending his oown Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
            5Those who live according to the sinful nature have thier minds set on what that nature desires; but those who LIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPIRIT have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind CONTROLLED by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to GOD. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
            8Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
            Amen and Amen again.

          • deon a

            Thank you so much aplman for your reply. I did pray about it and was a Mormon in the priest hood for four yrs. and yes when I prayed based upon what the missionaries told me I beleived Mormon doctrine, but when I discovered the truth about it I resigned from it anjhd now am cosidered “anthema” damned to hell forever by your church leadership. But my God is not your God and He has wonderfully and magnificantly Saved me from my sin according to His promises in His word, He made a new creature in Him. When I was Mormon no one within the church ever told me that I had to have more than one wife (docrine and covenants) or that God Jehovah literally and physically descend from heaven to have sexual intercourse with Mary (mother of Jesus) Jouirnal of discourses, Brigam Young or if they had I would hyave left upon hearing that then. Or that I was to become a god one day as a white male in good standing with the Mormon church upon my death whyen I would arrive at the planet “Kalub” where Joseph Smith would allow my entry so that I may have multiploe wives (sex slaves) to make babies to poulate my own little world so that I may rule over them as there god. How about you did anyone tell you that before now?I got news for you friend there is only one God and you do not get to be one, but you can reside with Him forever in His heavenly home iof you follow His plan alone and not any church. His plan for us is complete w-o the added imaginations of man.I sincerelly hope you are blessed in the truth.

          • deon a

            Glen my friend and other Mormons who are reading this please find out more about what us who are not Mormons are saying here. We (I) do not say what I say to cause hurt,or discourse but because I am a lover of the truth and I believe that most of you are also and just want you to know the truth. Seek and ye shall find, and be blessed.

          • Natalee

            amen.

          • deon a

            You know Natalee I love my Mormon friends so much and my heart aches for them.

          • Natalee

            I couldn’t possibly agree more.

          • Anonymous

            We seek constantly.

          • deon a

            Then why do you still think that white male Mormons will go to the planet (Kalub) to meet Joseph Smith for him to determine whether they are a good enough Mormon to deserve to become a “god” themselves so they can repopulate their own world to rule over with their multiple wives? Did God Jehovah leave that part out in His version of God’s word (the Holy Bible0 for some reason. He needed Joseph Smith to add that later? Sorry you still believe this.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, much more truth is given here for those who seek it and if you dare. Be blessed in your search.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1364066150 James Tomlin

            I ask are Jesus and Satan brothers .

          • deon a

            No they are not according to the Bible, but Mormons believe their own publications over the Bible.

          • deon a

            It was written by one of your former prophets (wish I could remember which one) and published by one of the Mormon monthly magazines. I as a former Mormon read it many years ago and was appalled by it, and that among many other truths I discovered about Mormonism caused me to resign from the church and now I am “anathema” damned to hell by your church authority but accepted by the Lord of Lords and King of Kings as His righteousness.

          • Sharon G

            I love how you put that….Praise God!!

          • deon a

            Thank you Sharon for your reply be blessed.

          • Sharon

            Probably got those truths about which you speak from someone not a member of the church, or someone who couldn’t follow the commandments and said things to make himself feel better. You are no more damned to hell by the church than you are exalted by it. If you are damned, it is by your own works and sins, just as it is for the rest of the world.

          • DE Cannon

            Another fundamental difference of Christianity and Mormonism. The bible says we stand condemned at birth; it’s not our works or personal sin that condemn is; the entire human race is fallen.We remain condemned until we accept the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross. If you say works keep you from heaven, are you not also saying that it is your works that get you there?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • Marc Call

            Wouldn’t it make sense that “Faith without works is dead”? Following the fundamental christian belief of just accepting Jesus, then that means I can live my life and do whatever I want and just accept Jesus and I will be saved? That doesn’t make sense to me

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Romans 3:24 And are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrafice of atonment, through faith in his BLOOD. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearnace he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26 he did this to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and on who justifies those who have faith in jesus.
            Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? Sall we go o sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therfore buried with him through baptism into death in orderthat, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father; we too may live a new life.
            Rom 6:5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly alsoe united with him i his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longe be slaves to sin- 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
            Amen!

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            That is why we die to ourselvers daily. Ddaily we sin, we must repent, turn from our sin, ask God for forgiveness and even more than that RECEIVE Gods free gift of forgiveness. Once you have done this you will feel the cleansing of the Hoy Spirit and not want to sin. But we are flesh and we do sin so we have Jesus saving Blood on the cross.

          • DE Cannon

            We believe that faith without works is dead, because obedience to God is evidence of our faith. But works have no saving power. The thief on the cross had a wasted life for God, although Christ saved him for eternity. God knows the heart. It just seems that in Mormonism it is both faith and works that save. If a person lives their life with disregard to pleasing God they lack fruit (evidence of their faith) and are probably unsaved. We are saved by Christ alone and only God knows a man’s heart. Can you answer my original question?

          • deon a

            When I resigned the church it was a big deal and compl;icated but it was made clear to me upon completion of it that I was condemed forever by the god of the Mormon church for doing it. But thank God of the Bible he has forgiven me of all of my sins and does not condemn me as He will do so for anyone. I know that my sins are forgiven me as I serve Him today and I am redeemed by His blood alone. I have no intentions of becoming a “god” as Mormon men do today. Isn’t that what the serpent promised Eve? His tactics have not chasnged. He is still promising people that they can become a god someday or in the case of the female Mormon one of the wives of theie “god husband) and they can have all mof his babies like Brigham Young said of Mary (the mother of Jesus) that he physically had sex with her to conceive Jesus. Your religion is very high on sensuality and carnality and weak on Holy Spirit divinity.

          • Ashley Olsen

            http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html Is what I believe.

            My heart hurts for you, it feels like it’s breaking every time I read one of your posts. The things you talk about are snippets of what people have said, out of context they can be completely misunderstood and shocking but when added into the bigger picture they are understandable.The journal’s of discourse are just as much personal belief as they are truth and it seems like the only things you really disagree with are things directly from these books. If President Thomas S. Monson says that everything said in them is true then I will believe everything said, until then you should not try to accuse a whole religion of believing one mans personal beliefs. I do believe that we will become Gods, what else are we supposed to do when we die? We have been put on this world to learn and grow, why would any of us go through so much work and effort if we weren’t expected to put it to use after we die? I would want to be doing the same thing I had done on earth, work to make lives better for others. Gods Grace can only get you so far, Faith without works is dead.
            When I go to church on Sunday I am not taught why we are right or why you are wrong, I am taught about God, his son Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost and am filled with the desire to do good to all men. You speak like everything we believe is wrong, but from the inside looking out I see wonderful people everywhere doing the best they can to help the world with their talents and skills. Good people aren’t helping anyone because they are taught they will become Gods, but people that feel in their hearts that what they are doing is helping someone else and by helping someone else they are happy.

            This is the definition of a cult, so that when you decide to describe a group of people based on their practices, you can see that easily any religion could be described as a cult.
            cult/kəlt/Noun:A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
            One last thing, I’m a Sophomore in college, I don’t know much because I haven’t been around as long as I’m sure you have been. But I believe in Christ, I believe that he is Gods son and that they are separate beings who each play a vastly different role in my life and to the earth as a whole. I might not know much but I know that when I talk about my savior and redeemer, my chest warms up and I feel like I could fly on happiness alone. There is nothing more real than God, no matter what religion, may he bless you to be more understanding and accepting of what others believe.

          • NotoriousGOP

            Would I ever consider rejecting Christianity and converting to Mormonism???
            Let’s see…
            I am a “white” man and I married a “black” woman. 
            I don’t believe I want to be put to death on the spot:
             
            “Immediate death for whites who marry blacks – it will always be so!
             …Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.     – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)”

            But what if I were not “white” or my wife not “black?”
            No, I still would not. Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, warned my of you and I of your religion:

            “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians 1:6-9 NIV)

          • Ashley Olsen

            You must have missed where I said the Journals of Discourse are personal beliefs that have not been accepted as doctrine by our Prophet. Also, if that’s true I should tell the cute couple, “black” girl “white” boy that I met in church last week that they will die soon because by some crazy accident they have been allowed to get married in the temple.
            I read the King James Version of the bible and don’t believe that you can adequately decide which religion is right or wrong when so many different religions teach from the same bible. On that subject, every religion has one or two things in common, wouldn’t they all have some truth to them?

          • deon a

            And my heart aches for you my friend as you have failed to see my other posts which quote directly from D and C’s as well as the Book of Mormon as listed here http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, as well as so many posts I have posted quotes from other sections of those books to find out the whole story before you reply again as you really need to be fully informed from your own doctrines. Thank you for your reply and be blessed.P.S. I am posted as deon a and deon rodden.

          • Ashley Olsen

            I have read MANY of your earlier posts, and because of that I’m compelled to tell you what I told someone else. People see your quotes and are shocked by what is said in our doctrine, but when put in the context it should be, instead of separated, it makes sense and is much more understandable.
            For some reason you left the church, I don’t care why, and you joined another Church. It is a personal decision that only you should make, no one else should tell you that you should not be where you are. Many religions have similar doctrine and teach a lot of the same things, how then could you tell someone that they are wrong when they believe a lot of the same things you do? Each of us take upon the name of Christ when we call ourselves Christian and we should do all that we can to cast a favorable light in his image.
            I don’t care if you think that Mormons are wrong or not, it’s clearly visible to me and to a lot of others that Mormons are just trying to do good by humanity, and not to become exalted. We strive every day to be like our savior and redeemer, to help people to the best of our abilities expecting nothing in return. I truly believe that if your God has a problem with good people doing good things in a different religion, he’s the wrong God.

          • deon a

            There is nothing in Mormonism that is anything even similar (it mocks true Christianity). and is only the pretense of it. It is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and if you read your own doctrines and teachings as I posted them you would know this by now and you would get as far away from this teaching as you could as did I and find the real God and His son Jesus to be your Savior as did I and have so many others who did leave this perversion called LDS. Is it true that your god was once a man as you or I because mine was not? My God was, is and always will be “God” alone all powerful, all knowing and always present. Neither I nor anyone can or ever be anything like Him “a god” it is a trick of your god Satan that tells you otherwise. Obviously you embrace these lies still even tho you know the real truth by now. I have no hatred for you nor anyone is this world,( for neither does my God) this is true. I do not even hate Mormonism, nor Muslims, nor even Satanists but my love of the real ltruth unfortunately puts great distance (like the sheep and the goats) and like them my God has separated us, and my heart aches for that as does the heart of my Savior and Lord Jesus. Come out from among them and be ye separate says the Lord of hosts..

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • deon a
          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Jason or Carmen Powell… Why you talkin like that? You sound like the ones coming against you. Now sit back In your chill chair and think about how your talking. Go ahead and read 1 Corinthians 13… Take a deep breath and then start over. I’m not Norman but I’ve seen better out of y’all.
            Much love from Jerusalem via Alabama : )

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, for the truth easily accessed, be blessed in your search.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            It was written by Brigam Young in your Mormon publication, Journal of discourses previously quoted exactly here in this discussion.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            God
            God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s…” (D&C 130:22). God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3). “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105). God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428). God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115). – This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always ‘officially’ taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it. “Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Arpad-Kiss/100000457845517 Arpad Kiss

            Sorry to disappoint you Sir, you are all out of joint with falsehoods. I used to get really upset when crap like this was being spread by so called Mormon know it alls. I know I will not change your deep and true understanding of our hidden beliefs so hidden I have never heard of them in my 32 years of having joined the LDS (former Methodist). I have attended LDS Church Services in Utah, Montana, Louisiana, Neb., Wash, Wash DC, and my home state of TX; not to mention Mexico, Hungary and India and you will be proud to know all of these Mormons never spelt the beans on any of the things you know about us. But I must say you came up with a new one that we believe that Adam was God. I am sure if someone were to waste their time jotting down all these weird Mormon beliefs all my dear Christian friends project onto us we would have a book that would stand twelve feet high with no foot notes at all. Please go to Mormon.org or better yet infiltate us one Sunday and see for yourself. Oh one more thing Joseph Smith an uneducated farm boy he was. A false prophet he is not and i dare say there has not been a man in our time who’s personal writings have been more examined as his by many in and out of the Church. Any way I wish you well and I wish no one will listen to your bad information.

          • Natalee

            I ask that they don’t listen to me either, but do the research themselves.Joseph Smith was far from uneducated, He was a very well spoken man.
            Anyway I am happy you have found peace in your faith. God bless, :)
            “God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ” Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            “well spoken” is NOT the same as educated. In fact, Moses was not “well spoken” either … Your priorities are what separate you from God. Your flesh has no place in Heaven, and Heaven has no use of flesh beyond this life. No Doritos either, but I bet the devil himself will promise you Doritos, or virgins, or a universe, or spirit babies or whatever else he thinks will entice you to follow him instead of Jesus.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, pleas read this for truth and accuracy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Natalee, Joseph was a well spoken man yes, but he was a poor less educated farm boy when he translated the Book of Mormon. Please don’t mixup your facts.

          • Natalee

            Okay I see your distiction… Yes he wasn’t educated in school, but facts show that his parents taught him well, there are documents showing that from the time he was a very young child his parents told him long stories about a new church that would be founded and JS would be the founder, that it would be his destiny. He was not only a “poor farm boy” he was also a tressure seeker, something he and his father did to con people. He clamed to have a “seer stone” which would lead people into the woods to dig for tressures on JS and Sr.’s guidence… THey where both prosacuted for this. So there are documents backing it up.
            When I was LDS i was always taught how uneducated JS was and how he couldn’t read or write so it was nothing short of a complete miracle that he could write the entire BOM.
            Much Later I found out that JS didn’t write the BOM, he put his “seer stone” inside a top hat and said the “seer stone” would raidiate the translations and Martin Harris would write what JS saw in the hat. According to Martin Harris accounts JS would peer into the hat, putting his face so close that it would shut off all light, then a partchman like paper would appear with the writtings, he would read it out loud to Martin Harris and tell him to write it ,Martin Harris would repeat it back to him and if something was wrong JS told him to correct it. God would not let the paper light disapear until the translation was done correctly, then the new paper would appear. So WHY has there been so many changes to the BOM if God himself guided the translations in this manor?
            Also JS was 17 when the “maroni” came to visit him, and 22 when he started translating.
            We are able to show threw historical documents and writtings that not only are the stories and names in the BOM related directly to JS and his tall tells he was told as a child but that there are plagerized writtings from the King James Bible, The Wonders of Nature, View of the Hebrews, and an unpublished manuscript written by Solomon Spalding.
            SO sure I will say he was “un educated” but its obvious he was well spoken and well read. He also knew how to use his words to convince un suspecting people.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Romans 8:9 you, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
            12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation- but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13For since you live according to the sinful nature youwill die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, (Matthew 25:19, ! Corinthians 6:18, Colossians 3:15 Galaians 6:8) 14 because those who are lead by the Lpirit of GOD are sons of God… (We do not become gods) 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry “ABBA, Father.”16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs – heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

          • NotoriousGOP

            Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were cons and a fakes as false Prophets. Mormons, the ones I have met, are very nice moral people and love this country and their family, but this does not change the facts of what is true or false.
            This is Brigham Young from his sermons this proves that he is no prophet.

            “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 (January 2, 1870)”

            Mormons no longer practice Polygamy officially, but Brigham Young said below:

            “Brigham Young, “the only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.” — Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269 (August 19, 1866)”

            I am “White” and my wife is “Black.” before 1978 “Blacks” were not capable of the same afterlife as “whites.” God changed?? The Bible says that God does not change. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” Hebrews 13:8.

            Brougham Young said NEVER! (1978 is sooner than never)

            “Brigham Young – The curse will remain on blacks so that they can never hold the Mormon priesthood until all other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood. — Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 291 (October 9, 1859) ”
            Brigham Young said:
            “A blessing to have Negro servants:

            It is a great blessing to the seed of Adam to have the seed of Cain [the negro race] for servants. – Brigham Young Addresses, MS d 1234, Box 48, folder 3, LDS Church Historical Dept., as cited in Tanner, The Changing World of Mormonism, p. 132, and in Tanner, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality?, 5th ed., p. 293A.”

            “Immediate death for whites who marry blacks – it will always be so!

            The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
            Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. – JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)”

          • http://www.facebook.com/angieddaniel Angie Cluff Daniel

            With Moses and the tribes of Israel, the Levites were the only ones that God allowed to hold the priesthood. And after Christ died, Peter was commanded to only preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Jews and not any other peoples until later he was commanded to go to the Corinthians. God withholds certain blessings and responsibilities from different people throughout the bible. I have to take things like that on faith and pray to know it is God’s will and not mans’.

          • NotoriousGOP

            You seem to overlook the end of Matthew 28, the great commission. Peter was commanded to preach the Gospel to all who would receive it. Peter wrongly thought that it was just for the Jews(not God commanded it was only for the Jews). God showed him a vision of what was clean and to say that nothing that He has created is unclean so that Peter would understand that the gospel was for both Jew and Gentile(non Jew). See all of Acts CH 10. Here is 1 verse.

            “Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.” (Acts 10:34, 35 NIV)

            “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”” (Matthew 28:18-20 NIV)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, for more truths about Mormon doctrine easily accessed. Be blessed in your search for it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, for more truths if you dare.

          • deon a

            It is true in the doctrines and covenants that it stated that in order for a male Mormon to qualify to become a god , he must have more than one wife. There is but one true living breathing God my friends and we humans or angels will never qualify to become a god. Isn’t that what the serpent tempted with in the garden of eve. His tactics really have not changed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Why do you lie so?

          • Anonymous

            deon is a bitter, conflicted person

          • deon a

            Thank you for your repy Abel. Please be more specific of your accustion and be blessed. Are you not familiar with your own doctrne and covenanent statementsregarding this issue? Sir I did not write it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Unfortunately, like all prophets, they are also only imperfect men subject to the same weaknesses and ignorance as any other, except Jesus of course. So yes Brigham was affected by some of the common beliefs of his day to stumble on and overcome. The fact is that blacks were given the priesthood in the Mormon church in those days.

          • NotoriousGOP

            God’s Word says that this man is a false prophet for presuming to speak God’s Word while really giving his own words. Scripture is God’s Word. 

            “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. – JoD 13:95 

            “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”” Deuteronomy 18:20.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, for more info. on this and other easily accessed truths.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1364066150 James Tomlin

            Are Jesus and Satan Brothers

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.heder Lisa Heder

            Yes. We are all children under God. In the very beginning, EVERYONE was an intelligence, a sort of soul or spirit. Angels have souls; humans have souls. We were all born of God, created by God. Christ is our elder brother, God is our father, and that means Lucifer is our brother, Christ’s brother, and God’s son. Angels, in my understanding, are souls that are not currently on this earth. They may be deceased souls, such as your great-great-grandfather, or souls like an unborn child. But angels are also children of God, just like everyone on this earth.

            Lucifer is a son of God who disagreed with God’s plan for us in the beginning, before the creation of this earth. He thought that rather than give everyone free agency, we should all be compelled to do the right thing, so that everyone lived with God again after we received our physical body (like the one that God HAS, it’s just a better body than we have now). EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH, WHO HAS COME AND WHO WILL COME, AGREED WITH GOD’S PLAN — NO MATTER WHAT THEY THINK NOW. We can’t remember all that happened in the life before this mortal one. Lucifer did not agree, and led away many other spirits/souls/intelligences. God cannot create a man on this earth without giving him the free will and agency to choose and learn throughout this life.

            Yes. Jesus and Satan are brothers, because God is the Father.

            And yes, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and that is what I know to be true.

          • Natalee

            You are definatly a Mormon, its obvious by your answer.. of course it condridicts everything the Bible teaches on the topic.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            No. God is the Creator. God created Angels. Satan was a fallen Angel. Jesus IS GOD in the flesh. He laid down his life and HE rose from the dead. He is God not a brother.

          • deon a

            Some have obviously misspoken regarding Mormon doctrine as you have said but many like myself have not, please focus on the facts and truths spoken by those of who have listed it and not on the errors of those who did not. I am a former Mormon (4 years) and did not really learn that I was going to be god one day if Joseph Smith deemed me worthy to enter (Kalub) where he resides to make me a god as a white male in good standing with the church. In those days blacks did not qualify for the priest hood. Please be informed to the truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Hmm, deon, according to American History books, black men were ordained in the priesthood in Joseph Smith’s time. Later it was stopped for a time and then resumed again. Perhaps you should question God why He does what He does. So how much does your preacher get paid to keep you in your church? Because Mormon leaders don’t get paid.

          • Natalee

            Read the original pages of Abraham. Even though it has been proven a complete falsehood it remains in the BOM… because even though it wasn’t “actually” translated “litterly” JS was “inspired” by it. Read the history of the book of Abraham, its so racist.

          • Anonymous

            The Book of Abraham is not in the Book of Mormon.

          • Guest

            Right, its in the POGP… you don’t believe that to be part of LDS scripture?

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Pearls of Great Price

          • deon a

            My God “Jehovah”never excluded black people from anything that He has offered to any one else at any time.John 3;16 covered that in “whosoever” portion. It is the enemy of God that lies to us about exclusions from God’s grace.Hope you will realize this before it is too late.

          • passingby

            Have you ever been inside the temple?

          • Brad Winterton

            As a member of the LDS faith, I can tell you that we do NOT believe that a physical man got Mary pregnant. We believe it as the bible states. We do not believe that Adam was a God, we believe that Adam was a man, he was Adam, the fist man on earth. Before that Adam was a spirit, just as we were. Not a God. We believe he was a good man, a righteous man here on earth. No where have I ever heard that Mary was a heavenly wife? We know she was a choice spirit and as the scriptures say, chosen. Hope this helps clear thing up.

          • Natalee

            Ugh.. My comment got deleted. I went over some of those theories above, but I do want to say that I do believe that LDS are good people with a good faith and following, most don’t know the church’s history and just believe what the current prophets say.. and that is fine, but don’t deny your history, OWN IT, read about it, be ready to defend it… the fact is that “adam God ” theory is something that was taught early in the church, by “prophets” it was denounced as doctorine in 1976 by Kimball as was the conception of Jesus Christ being in a “natrual way” So you don’t beleive it anymore, its not taught, its still a building block in the belief system of the “only true church”.. along with polygamy, joseph smiths polyandrous relaionships, and people with dark skin not being able to hold the priesthood. Just because its not practiced now, doesn’t make it not a part of the building of the church. Im not “anti mormon” , Im definatly not a Bigot. But you cant say these things where NEVER a part of the church, when they clearly where. God looks into the hearts of man, he knows you.. he knows what you believe.. your church doctrine and history doesn’t change that… :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            My God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I am glad he never changes like the LDS’s believes.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1364066150 James Tomlin

            Are Jesus and Satan brothers ?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, find out what Mormon doctrine teaches easily accessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            No. Jesus is God the Creator. God created the Angels. Satan was a fallen Angel.

          • Brent

            Natalee, you know your Mormon history well. These are things that are no longer believed within the mainstream Mormon faith (although I don’t think that they were ever really mainstream as much as a spiritual theories of a church leader or two shared among a handful of aquantences). Looking back on the history of all organized religion, there are going to be things that will cause contention among believers and doubters. Ultimately, the principals of the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the same; that we turn to Christ for salvation, that we love and serve our fellow men, and that worship the one true and living God. Why must we then get into sparring matches with Mormons about the history of our church when the points made were never really mainstream, but more often then not were journal entries of one of our leaders? If our religion helps to bring us closer to God, and serve our fellow men, then is it really important that we know the opinion of one man regarding the conception of Mary or the “Adam-God theory”. Let use focus on our commonalities, and not dwell upon the beliefs of the few in the past that hold no value today. Let us be brothers and sisters in Christ, serving side by side.

          • Natalee

            Refreshing comment Brent. I thank you. God bless. :) its a fantastic note to end my night on.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=830812939 Ron Tyler

            Thank you for those refreshing ending comments God loves you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=830812939 Ron Tyler

            Good job!

          • deon a

            Thank you so much Natalee for the truth spoken here, Glenn I hope that you are reading this, “I love you like as brother and I do really appreciate you” do not want you be deceived any longer.

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            thx Natalee, we find when studying the teachings of the LDS that Joe was very consistent in his attempts to put “flesh” on every aspect of Bible prophecy. Including God. Compare Joe’s description of God to Isaiah’s. Jesus himself, even in da BoM (3 Nephi 15), testifies to Isaiah’s gift. Yet Papa Joe’s experience is completely different. He saw God face to face, yet the Bible says clearly: “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

            Many people have a difficult time recognizing that attachment to the flesh is a symptom of separation from God. Preferring a theology that keeps them attached to the flesh both through legalism, and tangible descriptions of eternal lifestyle, is their choice, but originates in the flesh. Alcorn does the same thing at times in his books. I remember vividly him talking about “Doritos in heaven” this is an appeal to the flesh, and while popular, it is absurd and deceptive. No matter who does it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Natlee, I’m not a Moran but, have you ever said something would happen and it didn’t? You know, my two year old grandchild would drive the car if I let him but if I did, he would hurt himself and probably others… Do you think for one minute I would drag him out of the car and throw rocks at him till he’s dead? Come on now.. Thinks about it. We are family and God is all our Father. Chill and listen for your instructions without judging your brothers or sisters : )

          • Natalee

            I am not at all judging these members, I’m callanging the LDS church history.. you accuse me of judging all the while you’re name calling.

          • NotoriousGOP

            We are to study, question, and challenge what someone tells us about God. 
            The Bible says that there is only ONE God. The Mormons believe that they will become a “god.”

            “So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” (1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIV)

            “”How great you are, Sovereign Lord! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.” (2 Samuel 7:22 NIV)

            “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11 NIV)

            “But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” (2 Corinthians 11:3, 4 NIV)

            “And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” (2 Corinthians 11:12-15 NIV)

            “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians 1:6-9 NIV)

            “If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother takes another to court—and this in front of unbelievers!” (1 Corinthians 6:1-6 NIV)

          • Anonymous

            Like you quoted in Luke “behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath NOT flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” sounds like Christ has a body to me.

          • Natalee

            I never said Christ DIDN’T have a body of flesh and bone… Of course he did, he died on a cross for our sins, as a man. GOD has no flesh and bones.. Jesus told us he is a spirit. LDS doctrine teaches that God was a sinner, an exhaulted man with flesh and bones, made into a god with all his wives now residing on the planet Kolob.

          • Anonymous

            The quote is from Christ after his resurrection. He had flesh and bones after his resurrection. He had a glorified and perfected resurrected body. It is very plain to understand.

          • Natalee

            I’m sorry, maybe you’re confused… do you not think that christians believe in the resurection of Christ? We believe the bible to be the word of God, we believe that Jesus Christ in the flesh, was resurrected.. the bible clearly tells of it. But when Jesus in the flesh speaks of the Father God, he says more then one time that God is a spirit… God is not a “man” he was never a sinner, he was not proven to be good enough and exhaulted. Jesus tells us threw the bible that God knows of no other gods. That he is the first, and the last. He is a spirit and a spirit has not flesh and bone.
            Lds doctrine teaches that God and Jesus are 2 different MEN, with flesh and bone… dispite the fact that jesus clearly tells us this is not so.

          • Anonymous

            Natalie thank you for clearing that up about Christ. For a second I thought that you thought that God the Father, Jesus his son and the Holy Spirit were one in person rather than one in purpose. Now lets talk about God the Father.

            You will notice that in John 4 that “is” is in italics. This means that in the Greek text from which it was translated “is” did not exist. The translators have added it. Just cause they thought it ought to be there.

            Secondly, the reader should be aware that the indefinite article (“a” as in “a dog” or “a sprit”) does not exist in Greek. Thus, the addition of the word “a” in English occurs at the discretion of the translators.

            This leaves two Greek words: theos pneuma – “God Spirit”
            When the prophet Joseph Smith translated this particular verse he translated it as “for unto such hath God promised his spirit”. The word pneuma, which is translated spirit, also means ‘life’ or ‘breath’. The king James version of Revelation 13:15 renders ‘pneuma’ as life. Thus “God is life,” or “God is the breath of life” are potential alternative translations of this verse

            That God is Spirit is not meant as a definition of God’s being. It is actually a metaphor of his mode of operation, as a life-givine power, and it is no more to be taken literally that 1Jn 1:5, “God is Light,” or Deuteronomy 4:24, “Your God is a devouring fire.” It is only those who have received this power though Christ who can offer God real worship.

          • Natalee

            No, definatly not, I believe they are three in one and one in three. Aside from the Bible, explaining it for me, I also read a book called “the shack” by William P. Young. It was on quite a few Best seller lists a few years back.. wonderful book, heart warming story, and very enlightening.. I believe it explains Gods undying love for us well, and also explains how Christian’s look at the “trinity” I highly suggest it to even LDS. Just a terrific book. Easy fast read.
            Anyway, you have given me some study material here, I have a hard time taking peoples word as fact, I like to research it myself.. I genuinly love to do it too, so thank you. :) I will look into what you have written, and get back to you. :) God bless!

          • Anonymous

            My God bless and keep you too.

          • Natalee

            I have done my research and I have come to the same conclusion.. and I’m not too proud to admit, you where right on the Greek to english translation of “a”. Very interesting reading for me.
            Strangly enough its really ONLY the KJV that translated it is being “God is A spirit” when the bible I read, has the true translation “God is spirit” along with every other bible in english I researched. SO I use the KJV when I get into these discussions, because its the Bible LDS believe to be most true.. you talk yourselves out of that verse… and it turns out every other bible has the TRUE translation.. wierd. (or not).
            Here is some great referances as to what “God is Spirit” means not only in John 4:24 but threwout the entire bible. God has NO physical body.
            http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/egreek/egreek05.htm
            http://www.christadelphians.com/biblebasics/0201defintion.html

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=830812939 Ron Tyler

            And I need for you to explain to all of us in exact terms where God said that “We should be afraid of Joseph Smith and his teachings.” I have never heard or read that anywhere. I have studied the scriptures for a lot of years and I have never seen those words anywhere. Why? Because God never said those words. Those words come from uneducated men. Men who know nothing about Joseph Smith, his teachings or the church. So instead of passing on “:false doctrines” I would encourage you to study this yourself. Stop spreading false doctrine. Find the truth. What you are spouting is not the truth.

          • Natalee

            The bible (God) warns often in the bible of “false prophets” He warns us that they will be wolves in sheeps clothing. He tells us to not only trust our “Feelings” (burning in the boosom) but to use our heads. He even gives us guidance of how to identify a false prophet. I have enough faith in our Lord, and his word, to know that he means what he says. If Gods word tells me that is how i can identify I false prophet and someone fits those identifiers, then I choose not to fallow that man’s teachings.
            It is my conclusion, my choice, my salvation, my God.
            I could give you all the evidance and facts in the world: quotes, verses, sources, web links ect. but you still wouldn’t take my word for it, and I understand, I’m that way myself I like to research things and come to my own fact based conclusions.. so don’t take my word for it, do your own research. Or don’t… that is your choice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            This is from LDS…..
            After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)

            “Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,” (D&C 132:20).

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1364066150 James Tomlin

          ARE JESUS AND SATAN BROTHERS !?!?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1051414631 Emily Peterman

            Yes, We are all spiritual children of God. We believe in the pre existence as in we all existed before we were born to mortal bodies on earth. Before we were given bodies God knew there would be sin and that with sin we could not return to His presence so he asked for a plan. Satan wanted us to be given bodies but to not be given free agency. If we could not choose for ourselves there would be no sin and all could return. Christ offered a different plan. Satan’s plan was rejected and he became angry and started a war. He was cast from Heaven and denied the right to gain a mortal body. We believe that 1/3 of the host of Heaven followed him. There is much more to the story this was just brief, but in answer to your question, yes.

          • deon a

            Angels are not human, never were and never will be. Satn was an angel (fallen) and is in way kindred to any human species. Mormon doctrine is flawed in retrospect to what the Bible teaches.

          • http://www.facebook.com/melissa.l.askew Melissa Linn Askew

            Satan is a fallen angel..He is a created being..Jesus is not a created being. He is God, and has always been. He was there at creation..He created… It is important not to confuse the created with the creator.

          • Sebastian Kaine

            The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God. To say that Jesus and Satan were brothers is error akin to blasphemy. Satan was a separate creation, created by God, who fell in rebellion. The Bible also clearly teaches that not all people are automatically God’s children. Only those who come to God through Jesus Christ are considered His children, others are in fact “of your father the devil.”

            The Bible is very clear. If you accept Jesus as your savior, He will send you the Holy Spirit. With the Spirit you will be able to begin to discern deeper Spiritual truths. “But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

            Many other truths can be answered, but you must begin with Jesus.

          • http://www.facebook.com/randigerber Randi Teeples Gerber

            The word Fallen Angel, means he was a angel of God who fell. This is what the Bible teaches. We may be children of God now, but any of us can fall away if we choose to and serve Lucifer in stead. This does not mean that we were not his children, just as Lucifer once was. Lucifer chose to “disown” God so to speak.

          • Anonymous

            Jesus was the only begotten son of God in the flesh. He was the son of God the father and Mary. God the father is the father of all our spirits. Satan doesn’t have a body. Because of his rebellion in the pre earth life he was cast out with 1/3 of the host of heaven. He refused to follow the plan outlined by our savior Jesus. He wanted to force obedience upon all of us whereas Christ’s plan gave us our agency to choose right from wrong. Christ volunteered to suffer that all men through repentance and belief on him might return to live with God the father. It’s all in the bible.
            Satans goal is to keep us from those blessings. He loves to take our freedoms through addiction and dependence. We have a choice.

          • Loggleposh

            No. Jesus is God’s son and Satan is a fallen angel. The angels are a separate creation by God. Angels are not human and they are not Jesus.

          • deon a

            Amen James, that is the truth according to God’s authorized word “the Bible”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

            exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/i.am.skye.flynn Skye Flynn

            Yes, Jesus is our eldest brother. Lucifer was also one of our elder brothers, his name (lucifer) translated literally means -son of the morning-. Angel, literally translated, means messenger of God. Lucifer, though, is a fallen angel. He still retains the distinction of “angel” because, even though fallen, his existence testifies of God’s existence. Therefore, though fallen, he is a messenger of God’s existence.

          • deon a

            Satan was a fallen angel is in no way related to the human species whatsoever. Mormon doctrine is so controversial to the Bible in hundreds of ways.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Deon, I’m not Morman but I would love for you to start at, “1”, and continue to 100. That is because you said that. If you can’t do 100, you should stay silent and pray for your brothers and sisters.
            I’m just saying : )

          • deon a

            Thank you for your reply sir,but I do not have a clue what you are referring to 1-100.. I am a former Mormon (resigned from) and now serve God Jehovah and His son Jesus as a missioinary to the Philippines.

          • http://www.facebook.com/randigerber Randi Teeples Gerber

            Maybe that is how you interpret the Bible. Good for you. I don’t really see why it matters. God=good. Satan=bad. Isn’t that the part that really matters and I think we all agree on that, so why are the little details so important to you. Maybe your right or maybe Skye is right, but really who cares.

          • deon a

            It matters my friend because Satan is a great deceiver and there nothing he would like better for you to believe his lies (that satan is the brother of Jesus) it distorts the whole Biblical truth for God’s plans for your life. The devils has come but to rob, kill and destroy, while Jesus has come only to give life and give it more abundantly. Thank you for your reply and I do hope and pray you will know the truth and be set free by it. Be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mayberryrf Ramona Mayberry

            Jesus was GOD’S only son, John 3:16. No brother is mentioned. May the God of the Bible be with you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

            Jesus had earthly brothers born of Joseph and Mary, but none from Heaven…

          • Anonymous

            Jesus is gods only begotten son in the flesh. He created all our spirits.

          • deon a

            Mormons do believe that they are based upon the fact all God’s creation are brothers and sisters. But Satan was an angel (fallen) not human and therefore not in the category of you or I or Adam and Eve.Satan is a “wanna be god” like Mormon men. They also expect to be a god some day.Women do not qualify to become a god like the men according to Mormon doctrine.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Spoken like a true heathen, James Tomlin. Obviousl never bothered to ask the Mormon church what they believe, but instead probably asked some baptist preacher, just like going to Apple for a Microsoft product.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Abel! Was that love that I was hearing?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

            I don’t know where James got his info but i look it up on the Mormons own website.
            Through the same process we have additional Holy Scripture, including the Book of Mormon, which supports and exalts the Bible. No, totally different information is in the book of Mormon. and yes I have read it, and their history. I have Mormon friends, we love each other, and I am not saying these things in a mean spirit. I am saying, they are misguided in many areas.

          • deon a

            What is wrong with the truth these days. should we not know what our docrinal church teachings really subscribe to? The truth is easy to find my friends if you seek after it in recognition that is is an opposing enemy of God who wants to nothing more but to deceive you. Oh how my heart aches for those who are deeived by him.. There is but “one God” and endless wanna be gods.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Ahhhh, deon. Civil debat wins over all edginess. Debat, don’t harm hearts : )

          • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

            exactly. we can not pick and choose what we want to believe in the Bible. It is all or nothing and it was complete ~ Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

          • deon a

            Thank you for your eply Jill and thanks to all who reply. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after rightousness for they shall be filled.”

          • Sharon G

            Why will no one answer your question?

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Hey, I’m not Moran but please! Brothers I don’t know if they were but, they both came from the same loving ethereal one in charge so please… Get over this stuff and love brother! that is if you are a brother in Christ : )
            I love you and don’t even know you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

            I think the convesation sounds civil .. many disagree, but speaking for myself here, I am not angry or agumentative. God tells us over and over to love him and each other. I do. but Mormons have many things wrong. Still think they are awesome ppl and great in many ways, just can’t change the Bible from “revelations” ppl have had in the past years. It has all it needs in it as it was published centuries ago. Read it if you haven’t. Especially John, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs.. well go ahead and read it all, it is a great source of knowledge.

          • Jill

            Deal. I have read the Bible. How about reading the Book of Mormon and praying about it? You may be wrong?

          • http://www.facebook.com/randigerber Randi Teeples Gerber

            agree

          • Anonymous

            Isaiah 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Old Testament, Isaiah, Chapter 14)

        • http://www.facebook.com/jake.bennett.3720 Jake Bennett

          One of the most important things to look at is the Garden of Gethsemene and the Cross. When Christ was suffering, what did he say? “My God, Why hast thou forsaken me?” – Matthew 27:46. Also when He asked God the Father to remove the cup from Him. God can’t forsake himself. They cannot be one being. They are One in Purpose, just as Paul talked about the body of Christ being the church. We are the body of Christ, but are not one person. We are one in purpose. And that purpose is to further the Lord’s work.

          • deon a

            In Jesus dieing breath he said “it is finished” end of story, there is no need to add to take away from what is written in the Bible. All that we could ever need to know about God’s plans for us (salvation, eternity, prophecies) are all written therein therefore making future religious books like, the book of Mormon, doctrines and covenants completely unnecessary (falsified) and contradictory to “the Bible”.

          • Sherie

            ♠Jake, I am sorry but you are wrong. The Bible was not all of the books written about the times of Christ. They are only the books chosen by Constantine and his group of men that wrote the Bible. There are many books that have been found since that time and if you traslate Bible, it means “one of many” We can keep adding to the Bible or write more books, but they all have the same message.

          • deon a

            Thank you for your reply Sherie. Please know this that God, (my God) is Jehovah God. He is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere all of the time. There nothing that He cannot do and so He is able to give to us His creation His written word for His plans for all of us, He is able to keep and preserve it undefiled for all of eternity and so He has in a series of books caleed the “Holy Bible”. It contains everything we could possibly ever want to know about eternity and salvation no matter whom He chose to deliver it to us through. If you do not serve such an almighjty God as this then you have a wanna be god, an imposter. Let me intoduce you to my God such as I have descrbed and be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, check it out if you dare to know the truth about Mormon doctrine as written in their own doctrines if you dare to know the truth and be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Baptism
            Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. II, p. 141). This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the “newly baptized” person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.
            This is so wrong on so many different levels. Mormons say their doctrines are in line with the Holy Bible but this contradicts free will.

          • Jake

            Note you even used the term in your definition “be able”, not is forced… It is still their choice on the other side to accept or deny what has been done for them.

          • Natalee

            BRAVO! God is BIG enough to take care of all.. he promised he would keep his word together and I believe there isn’t a works I can do on this earth that would trump his abilities.. Faith means believing in HIM and HIS power… not the power of a church, or the power of a man! JS is quoting saying he can boast at his ability to keep a church together and followers who dont fail, that even jesus himself couldn’t do it. (is he better then jesus? because he believed he was). Christians do not believe in the plurality of gods.. there is ONE God, Elohim, Jahovah, the great “I am”. All praises belong to him.
            LDS Hymn. Praise to the MAN. Good thing he is up there now Mingling with “Gods”…
            Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
            Jesus annointed that Prophet
            and Seer.
            Blessed to open the last dispensation,
            Kings shall extol him,
            and nations revere.

            Praise to his memory, he died as a martyr;
            Honored and blest be his ever
            great name!
            Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
            Stain
            Illinois* while the earth lauds his fame.

            Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
            Ever and ever the keys he
            will hold.
            Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
            Crowned in the
            midst of the prophets of old.

            Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
            Earth must atone for the
            blood of that man.
            Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.

            Millions shall know “brother Joseph” again.

            Chorus:

            Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
            Traitors and tyrants now fight
            him in vain.
            Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
            Death
            cannot conquer the hero again.

          • Mindy M

            I’m sorry to burst you bubble but the word Elohim means ‘many Gods’.

          • Natalee

            Mindy, that is absolutely not true, its so much deeper then that.. SO much more detail for you to learn.. Do more in depth research.
            The first line of the hebrew bible is:
            Genesis 1 In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
            Surely you don’t believe this verse is saying “gods” created the earth and heavens? Being, the Old testament was originally written in Hebrew.
            Do you believe more then one God created this earth then, was it a group effort.. or is your God the one living in Kolob and other gods on other planets? I don’t understand the mindset of someone who believes in the pluraity of gods.. Please explain.

          • Mindy M

            I believe that Christ created the world under the direction of His Father.
            Also, the Hebrew word Elohim means many gods. It is the plural form of the word Eloah.
            Since no one here seems interested in really finding truth, just defending their position, I won’t go on.
            If I am mistaken and there is someone here who wants truth, start opening your mind and praying to find the truth even if it contradicts what you think you know.
            Bible bashing has never helped anyone find the truth. You can find whateve to support in the Bible. That’s why it becomes superbly important to take everything you hear to your Father in Heaven and ask Him to guide your search for truth.

          • Natalee

            It is okay if you choose to bail on the subject. I understand completely. However for the sake of anyone else reading:
            The name Elohim means strength and might. It is the common Hebrew
            term for God. It is also used of false gods. El the singular form of
            Elohim is used for the three members of the Trinity. Both El
            and Elohim are used in combination with other words. These terms give
            us further understanding of the attributes of God.
            The Bible refures to Jesus Christ with the same “El” from Elohim in his name called EmmanuEL
            Isaiah 7:14
            Therefore the Lord Himself (Elohim) will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with
            child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel (El).

          • Mindy M

            Elohim is the plural of Eloah. It means plural ‘Gods’ not ‘God’
            The best thing to do is to take each question to Heavenly Father and ask Him to open your eyes and give you personal revelation about each item. He has opened my eyes to things that I’ve never heard in any church or religion. The problem with you trying to disprove someone else’s religion is that it takes your eyes off your goal; gaining eternal truths. You also step into the negative instead of standing in light.
            There are so many things God wants His people to know but we get such tunnel vision when we have to be right that the Heavens become closed to us.
            Maybe ‘gods’ did create the earth. Why don’t you open your heart, go and pray and ask God why He used a plural word there. You might have an amazing conversation with Him and learn something new.
            In love and light.

          • Natalee

            I have come to God, threw prayer.. He showed me truth and light, I choose to share my truths with others.
            I studied Mormon history because I used to be Mormon and after God showed me his way, it was hard for me to accept it.. even though the answer was clear.
            He told me that he is the one and only God, that worshiping any other god is wrong. He taught me that he sent his son Jesus Christ to pay for my sins, for the salvation of the human race.. that if I come to Him threw his Son, I will have salvation. I will walk with him after this life if I give HIM and only HIM all my faith, he will not turn me away.
            15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

            I Never Knew You
            21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!.
            I can say without doubt, I know the Lord. He works in me everyday.. Its my duty to share the good news… the news of FREEDOM the Freedom God promised us.. you find the truth and the truth sets you free. I was in Bondage for 25 years, doing endless works in the Lords name… Then he entered my life, and I will contiue to share him, and truth till the day I die.
            And for the record. LDS.org says
            Elohim
            Father in Heaven; God, Godhead.
            Just as I stated.

          • Mindy M

            I have often scratched my head and wondered why so many “Christian’ churches spend so much time learning about ‘Mormons’ (members of the Church of Jesus Christ) and not learning about other faiths that disagree with their beliefs. You just don’t see people sitting in church learning why the Jews are wrong or making movies or writing books about it. In fact, they are actually quite supportive of them even though they don’t even accept Christ as their Savior. Yet fellow Christians, who accept Christ, get so much energy and time exerted against them to try and prove them wrong.
            To me, it actually makes our position even stronger. It means we are on to something therefore we are getting more opposition. The early Christians saw the same opposition.
            The forces of darkness don’t want the truth out and will fight the hardest to thwart it.
            Just because we believe in the Godhead the way the early Christians did and not the version made up at the Nicene convention to try and appease everyone, shoudn’t mean we shouldn’t be called Christans. I just don’t agree that they should have voted on how to melt the pot of different faiths to view God so that it would make everyone happy. God shouldn’t be voted on. Changing how he was viewed was a man-made decision.
            When the church was restored to the earth God revealed His true nature once again because it had been polluted by men.
            And you just said that God told you that he sent His Son to earth. He didn’t say he sent himself.
            Thanks for sharing your feelings. I’m glad to get to share mine too.

          • Natalee

            I have also scratched my head over the same things, as a matter of fact had I joined this very conversation 3 years ago, I would have said the same thing, probably word for word you said in your first paragraph. I was LDS for nearly 30 years.
            then I found Christ, and was saved.
            but see its not all that simple. And I know what your responce (in your head will be to this, i will address that as well)
            I was found, I was saved, I knew with definate certainty I had found truth, it was like it all opened up to me, I had NO doubts, NO fears, everything I was promised was seen. I had waited for a moment like that my whole life.. I had found truth.
            Then guess what happens? I had the cult like fear in me, the same fears you hear about people who have been brain washed feel. I knew I was in a safe place, I knew I had been shown truth, it felt so amazing and freeing… but then in the back of my head I kept going “but I was taught i would end up in outer darkness if I turn away, no matter how confined I feel it is, I cant turn away, no matter how bad I feel in it (NOW), I cant turn away, I must be missing something, I must be doing something wrong, I must have not tried hard enough, why won’t God turn me back to the church, is my holy ghost gone, am I too full of sin…. ect…”
            Oh i know the explination of this is the same explination you give above… a testimant to how true it is… but you are wrong, and I can say that without doubt.
            It was a huge leap of FAITH to turn away, it was HARD to turn off 30 years of endocterination. But I went with what I KNEW God wanted of me, it was like my eyes where open and I was seeing HIM and all HE had to offer.. not a church, HIM.
            I went with it, I did nothing but grow and grow on Him.. I was (am) strong with Faith in Him, and his words, and his promises.
            So what happens next? well I decided to look into LDS history, why do people say Mormons aren’t Christian, and deep down I think I needed reassurance to my decision, endocerination is a very strong tool.
            I did legit research.. I didn’t fallow “anti mormon” preachers or teachers or speakers… I used reliable sources such as the JoD, BYU historical documents, the BOM, POGP, and D&C.. ect… It was enlightening.
            Now I will admit when I was a mainstreem Mormon, even when I first left the church, if someone said something derogitory to the chuch it was like and instant turn off.. “how iggnorant for them to say JS was a pedaphile, a polygamest or apolyamorist ” Or “I cant beleive they would think the temple ordinaces and works are masonry, its sacred!!” but only after finding Christ, and being confidant I felt comfortable approaching these subjects. Strangly to my suprise and disapointment, they are mostly all true..
            So now, because of my experiance, I choose to try to help LDS.. I love them.. I want them to feel what I feel in my heart… and sometimes that means I have to be abrasive with truths.
            SO there you have it! No need to scratch your head… its no different then any other religon or faith, when you find truth you want to share it. You want others to find what you have found. And when that comes after leaving an “extreme, or fundamentalest faith” You tend to draw your attention to helping them.
            As far as the Nicene convention, like the name Elohim, more research is needed on the processes that took place.
            And you are correct I believe that God send his Son Jesus Christ to earth to fulfill all promises he made.. and yes I believe that Jesus is God incarnate, made mortal… for mortal exisitance… to save us all. That is what the Bible tells us.
            As far as restoration, well, the Bible is clear, God promised he would always keep his word together.. you can choose to believe that, or not. I choose to have faith he is true to his word.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • Melody

            Elohim. GodHEAD. Just as you stated. More than one God.

          • Natalee

            Yep. I did say that. It means a LOT of things… it all depends on the verb that proceeds it as to who or what it is refering. Pay special attention to the second paragraph here which I am quoting…
            The Hebrew word ’elo·him′
            (gods) appears to be from a root meaning “be strong.” ’Elo·him′ is the plural of
            ’eloh′ah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Ge 31:30, 32;
            35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence.
            ’Elo·him′ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to
            angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.

            When applying to
            Jehovah, ’Elo·him′ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge
            1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld]
            T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [’Elo·him′] (as
            applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost
            invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular
            adjectival attribute. . . . [’Elo·him′] must rather be explained as an intensive
            plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”—The
            American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p.
            208.

            The title ’Elo·him′ draws attention to Jehovah’s strength as the
            Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every
            time the verb describing what he said and did is in the SINGULAR number. (Ge
            1:1–2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces.

          • deon a

            I give all credit, glory and honor to Jesus Christ alone for all He has done. Thank you for your reply, I an having so much fun fulfilling a promise to God and to the leadership of the LDS church when I resigned 30 yrs. ago to witness the truth to other Mormons the truth about their doctrines as I am now. Thank you Jesus.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism. dare to know more of the Mormon doctrine truths as written in their own doctrines on all of these subjects and be blessed.

          • Sarah and Jeremiah Hunter

            When he said, “It is finishd” he was referring to the atonement, not the work.

          • deon a

            That is probally true my friend but I do know that everything God intended to be written (for the knowledge of salvation) for mankind was complete for us in the Holy Bible and ther was never any need (but to cause confusion) to add or take away from it. My God Jehovah is all powewrful, all knowing and everywhere all of the time and is able to deiver to us, and keep and preserve His word for all eternity. Woe be to those who tamper with it. Be blessed.

          • Nan

            The Book of Mormon is not an addition to the Bible (written in the Eastern Hemisphere). It is simply another witness or testament (written in the Western Hemisphere) to Heavenly Father’s & Jesus’ teachings . “God is not an author of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14: 33, thus 2 testaments as in a court of law would bear more merit & value. I was raised southern Baptist, however converted to the LDS in ’79. Also the term Saint, to us means ‘Disciple’ we don’t claim to be of more worth than any other child of god.

          • http://www.facebook.com/all.4.him.1971 Bryan Keith Joiner

            what can you do that Jesus has not already done? The price has already been paid. All that you can do is accept His sacrifice. There are no more requirements that that. These “garments” as “reminders” are an actuall perversion of the scriptures. He who tries to add ar take away from the scriptures is in danger. See last chapter of Revelations.

          • enoughalready

            Revelations was not the last book “written” in the bible. in fact the bible as we know it wasn’t even compiled until a couple hundred years after Christ’s death. Each of the books of the bible were written independent of the others…of course the epistles in the bible are the letters written by the apostles….Revelations wasn’t “accepted” as part of the cannon of scripture until almost 400 AD…food for thought

          • Anonymous

            The proper title of the book is Revelation. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not “Revelations.” In several places the Bible tells us not to add to God’s word, it doesn’t mean just those specific books. No one is to add onto what God revealed or change what God has said and it applies to all inspired scripture. Kind of like Jesus saying there is no marriage in heaven, then Joseph Smith comes along and says yes there is! That is adding to God’s word, and he was dealt the judgment promised for such an offense.

          • Melody

            A “reminder” of the promises that we have made to our Father is not a perversion. If so, why isn’t reading the Bible a perversion? It, too, reminds us of the lives we should be leading.

          • Nan

            The garments are a Reminder to Choose The Right, much like the Catholic nuns’ Habits or a wedding ring. Nothing more, nothing less, not a perversion… If a child of God chooses to be kind, honest
            & loving how can that be perverted?!

          • Anonymous

            Bryan –
            There’s nothing more for us to do? Really? Then why does Christ command us to be baptized? (John 3: 3-5) Why does He command us to love him and obey Him? (the entire Bible) Why does He say “Come, follow me?” Why does he say that if we do NOT follow Him then we shall be rejected by Him at the Final Judgement?
            Because we MUST do these things. As the Apostle James explained in YOUR very own scriptures, “Faith WITHOUT works IS DEAD.” Good grief, even saying “I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior” is SOME kind of ‘work’/effort. You simply can’t argue that one.
            Jesus Christ’s offer of his atoning sacrifice to pay for our sins is kind of like buying a car from your parents: you make a mutaual agreement to make payments, and if you make all that you can (and you REALLY ARE trying to pay them back) and they say (that’s good enough), ie, “grace” as compared to making the agreement to pay them back but you don’t even try to pay them at all? That will end up with your parent’s being taken advantage of, ie, only “grace” but no “justice”. Now, you may say that your parents are not God and I say “I agree”. But is God not “just”? You know He is. He says he is “just”/fair in the Bible a hundred times plus your own heart says He is, too. The only way that God can be both “just” and “merciful” is if we do our very best to obey Him, knowing full well we will still fall short, and God says “your honest attempts at obedience are enough”. THIS issue is pointed out over and over again in the Biook of Mormon. I encourage you to read it yourself and see and then take it to God in prayer like it says in James 1: 5-6.
            Good luck!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • Anonymous

            Exactly.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lori.puterbaugh Lori Sippel Puterbaugh

            If the ‘end of story’ happened on the cross, then the Bible books Acts through revelation are ‘contradictory’ in @Jake’s eyes. That’s too bad, a lot for us to learn from those books and Christ’s visit to “other sheep I have which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd” (St.
            John 10:16), recorded in the Book of Mormon.

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            You have a point and actually personally, I have always a bit disagreed with Paul being included as part of the Holy Bible, especially his words treated as holy when he was just a man. If being visited by Jesus is enough to claim apostleship then myself, my mother, and many other Christians I know who were visited by Jesus would be equally deserving (I even had the big flash of light experience when I wasn’t a christian that brought me to the faith).

            Paul’s books should probably be separate and added as a doctrinal guide or “suggestions” from believers type of book. We don’t add Thomas Aquinas to scripture for example. The Catholic Church basically decided which books to add and which not to and they are even thinking about taking out revelations because they fear it points to themselves (since the beast is on seven hills and Rome has seven hills).

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            If you are a Christian and are indeed a follower of Christ and doer of His word, of course you are an apostle of Christ.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398481955 John Hall

            Actually not. Apostleship was a specific office bestowed by the Holy Spirit.

          • Huss Family

            follower would be a disciple, not apostle

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            What was the big flash of light? I wonder. All scripture is God Breathed. Led by the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is Godbreathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, All of the Bible was writen by men. Why pick on Paul? Timothy, James, Micah, Hagggain, Jeremiah, Ruth….
            Flash of light huh? in 1 king 19: God appeared to Elijah. vs12 “After the earthquack came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.”

          • Anonymous

            I agree. Paul’s letters were important, they laid the foundation for the church and they dealt with early divisions that could have ended the church but in the end, and even Paul states this, his words are only his beliefs. What he said to the Church at Corinth was said to answer a specific question from Corinth and that could be used as a guide to other churches but that was not intended to be the official word of God. In a sense after the cross the work of Christ became internalized, a matter for the soul and the work of the Church was about providing a safe space for the soul to find communion with God Not unlike a conference hall. The room is not conversation, it is only the space provided for the conversation.

          • deon a

            Lori my friend those things were all written into the Bible which covers all the things we need for our eternity with or w-o Chjrist. It is complete in itself. And besides no where in the Bible does it say any thing about white male Mormons in good standing with the Mormon church going to a planet called “Kalub” to meet up with Josesp Smithy so that he can decide if they are faithful enou8gh Mormons to warrant entry so that they may become “gods” themselves so they may have multipl;e wives to make babies with to populate their own little world to poulate and rule over. In the garden of Eden the serpent was decieving Eve that she might become like God and his tactics have not changed since. Ohj by the way you do not qualify to become a god but you only qualify to join your husband there as his sex slave “if” he deems you qualified to call you up out of your grave. Please wise up to this trickery that my God has nothing to do with.His plan is complete w-o all of that imagination.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Have you not heard of the star or planet called “Kalub” where all good Mormons go when they die? I will do more research and give you the specifics of it’s written place if you will do one thing for me my friend, once I do resign yourself from this Mormon church and it’s doctrines. Look for my further posts.

          • JenS

            Having been a Mormon for 33 years, i can say I have never, ever heard of ” …
            Mormons in good standing with the Mormon church going to a planet called “Kalub” to meet up with Josesp Smithy so that he can decide if they are faithful enou8gh Mormons to warrant entry so that they may become “gods” themselves so they may have multipl;e wives to make babies with to populate their own little world to poulate and rule over.” So I did some research, and still found nothing. The only thing that sound the tiniest bit similar is reference to a star/planet called Kolob-not Kalub- and it has never been referenced as a planet where Joseph Smith lives etc. It is a star/planet that is used only as a comparison of time, nothing more. And I believe God will judge me, not Joseph Smith. I will not argue every point, because that is unnecessary, time consuming, and not my point of this post. Not every theory written by someone who is LDS is Gospel truth. I would like to add, that I don’t think that you have to be Mormon (or any specific religion) to be “saved”, I think many good people will be “saved”. I am grateful to live in a country and time where I am free to practice my religion as I believe is correct , and that everyone else is too. No matter how the politics go in this nation, I hope that is one of many freedoms that doesn’t get slowly, and sneakily taken away.

          • deon a

            Sorry for the mispelling of the make believe panet or star Kolob. I will find the specifics of the wanna be god theory and post it soon. Thank you so much for your reply and challenge.

          • deon a

            P.S. JenS, have you been to and Mormon temple yet? Just curious.

          • deon a

            O.K. jenS, it did not take me but a very short time to discover LDS doctrine regarding it’s teaching s of man becoming a god. It may be so easily found when you look. Please avail your self of the truth my friend as written by your own prophets and doctrines, Google it “the plain truth about the Mormons” I.E. Bruce McConkie. Mormon Doctrine pp 322,-23,517,643, god himself the father of us all is a glorified resurrected man”. Journal of discourses, v6,p3,1844 “god himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heaven” must I go on and on? Lorenzo Snow quoted in Milton R. Hunter the gospel through the ages pp 105-106, read it, My God Jehovah was always and always will be Deity and was never a man nor will he ever be just a man as your doctrines supposes.Mormon doctrine clearly teaches that all other Christian organizations are corrupt and an abomination in their god’s sight via the pearl of great price and book of Mormon.I was taught by my Mormon missionaries that the Bible is in no way contradictory to the book of Mormon or D. and C’s or Pearl of great price but my Bible does not teach polygamy as it does in D n C’s 132:61-62 nor does teach that God Jehovah was ever a man just as we are. Please read the plain truth about Mormons and other cultic practices of the Mormon church on Google if you dare to know the truth from your own teachings.I dare not but tell you the truth as a lover of the truth. Be blessed in your search of it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            Also another good source of info is Walter Martins Kingdom of the Cults..

          • deon a

            Thank you John for that. Rem,ember what happens when darkness meets the light and also “steel sharpens steel”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            Censorship is alive and doing well here, I have had many posts removed that have reference to Walter Martin. Please help spread Martins work maybe it will open some eyes. Glenn’s own words “Question with boldness”

          • deon a

            I am not familiar with the works of W. Martin and unfamiliar with the censorship for which you refer but I would not be surprised to find out about the intentional suppression of the truth on that discus website. Eyes opened are my only goal my friend.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            I have sent email to Glenn, Stu and Pat referencing Walter Martin and other info. Will see if this post is also deleted. Any new posts at the beginning of this list that I post have been removed. Mormons are blinded to truth and if investigated will show they are a cult. It all boils down to their foundation built on Joseph Smith. If only one can see the truth I can maybe a ripple will form and spread.

          • deon a

            My hope and prayer for them is that they will see the truth and know the deceit of this church of Satan.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.ralph.14 Kathleen Ralph

            Deon A – You are using a book that begins with the statement “For the work, itself, I assume sole and full responsibility” and is not recognized as church doctrine. The information you list are people’s opinion about parts of the gospel but not necessarily doctrine. If you want accurate information you need to go to lds.org and find out what the church teaches. Please do not say “church doctrine clearly teaches” when you don’t know what you are talking about. The leaders of the LDS church have constantly stated that there is “good in all churches” and we are to see the good in all people. We are to refrain from criticising other churches doctrines. Too bad you can’t seem to be more Christian.

          • deon a

            Do you mean to say that you do not believe that your god was once a man as you and I are? And do you also believe that the Bible is o0ften times inaccurate and can only be accurately interpreted by Joseph Smith in own correction of it in his own version? Do you believe that the Doctrine and Covenants, the book of Mormon etc. to more accurately prescribe to us as your god’s words? My Bible as I have it so totally conflicts with those others teachings that Mormons adhere to, does yours? The darkness does meet the light in these opposites and if I were you and did not want to admit this I would also deny that what I have posted is official doctrine of the LDS.. W#ho ion your church has the final authority to conclude what is official LDS doctrine then? It appears to be shrouded in confusion as is the works of Satan itself. Correct me if I am wrong and lead me in my search further for the truth about your doctrines,. lead me to your authority p;lease. Please answer my questions as for your own personal beliefs as well. I have and always will give you my own testimony as to who and what my God i9s and the authority from which I get my own faith from as I jhave already publicly stated in my posts. Jesus died on that cross for you and I and all the whosoever s who believe, but He is a jealous God and will have no other gods before Him.I love you enough to tell you the truth (as does He) despite thye consequences.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            I am using all of the books that Mormons use as my sources and your church does criticize my beliefs and all other Christian beliefs as an abomination among other things “Brigham Young”.

          • deon a

            Please also Google the “planet Kolob” and “with a Mormon on Mormon doctrine” and find out more about the about Kolob and other claims I have made about Mormon doctrine. It is so easy to discover the truth if you look for it.

          • Anonymous

            It’s called Kolob, and it is in LDS scripture (PofGP). Joseph Smith said it was the star closest to the planet where God lives, and it is part of your canonized doctrine. Read Facsimile 2 “translated” by Smith in your own book of scripture.

          • Huss Family

            Wow I am sad for you my friend, for the misunderstanding and the misinformation that you are laboring under, as well as the bitter spirit that possesses you.

          • deon a

            How can you read your own doctrines my friend and still say they are anything like the doctrines of my Bible? This is not bitterness as you suppose for I have none towards you or anyone (God alone is my witness to this) He knows. It is merely dark meets the light.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            John 10:18. Jesus has the Authority to give life and take life. This can only happen through the power and authority of GOD.
            John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.” Jesus said.
            Can’t get any clearer than that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maury-Jones/757751167 Maury Jones

            Nope. Quote him correctly. He said “I and my Father are one.” Not “the Father” but “my Father”. Two people. The meaning is very apparent when you read his prayer for his disciples; John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” THAT is what can’t get any clearer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=830812939 Ron Tyler

            I don’t think that you have read the entire Bible, Old and New Testament. If you believe that when Jesus was on the cross and said, “It is finished”, that everything that was written after that is not correct, then what about Christs resurrection? Is that then false doctrine? how about Christs ascension into heaven?.How about everything that was written in Acts, Corinthians, Thessalonians etc..? If everything ended that day on Golgotha, what is the rest of the Bible for? What you have said makes absolutely no sense. Have you even read The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants? I don’t think you have read them. If you had, you would have found that they are NOT contrary to the things that you find in the Bible. They go hand in hand with everything that is written in the Bible and in fact there are references written in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants that reference passages throughout the Bible. So it is my testimony to you to search the scriptures. In them you will find the the truth. Don’t just listen to those that condemn the LDS faith. Most of them have no idea what the doctrines of the church are about. They are spouting forth false teachings in order to better themselves. I ask you to read the Book of Mormon. If you have questions find a member of the church and ask them for answers to your questions. Don’t ask someone who is not even a member of the church. They won’t have the truth and many of them can’t handle the truth. Find the truth on your own.
            It is my testimony that God lives, Jesus Christ is OUR Savior. I know that and I can’t deny it. If you read and study and ask God himself if what you find is true, you will also come to know that the things that I have said here are true!
            May you find true happiness, may you find the truth and may the truth make you free!

          • deon a

            I am a former Mormon my friend and as for what happened after Jesus last breath upon his death it is all written in the Bible and no need for more than that.Is it your intention to become a”god” upon your death to meet Joseph Smith on “Kalub” to see if you are a good enough Mormon to have multiple wives there to rule your own world? Where is that in the Bible. You will never get to become a go my friend for there is but one.

          • A Brazilian Guy

            @deon a: You wrote: “Please know this that God, (my God) is Jehovah God. He is all powerful,
            all knowing, and everywhere all of the time. There nothing that He
            cannot do and so He is able to give to us His creation His written word
            for His plans for all of us, He is able to keep and preserve it
            undefiled for all of eternity and so He has in a series of books caleed
            the “Holy Bible”.”. Well, you sound nonsense! You say He has all the power (and I believe He has) to preserve it undefiled, but you forget that the “Holy Bible” was defiled, parts added and taken by the Roman Church. God has all power to take you into heaven if He will, but He will not do it. He “cannot” force you into heaven. You misunderstanded what it means to be all-powerfull (and all-other things). More, in the “Holy Bible” there’s not any mention as for a “holy bible”. Holy Bible is the Roman Church given name for the compendium of the books they selected as their canon of scriptures.It is difficult to argue with you because you have a shallow understanding of the scriptures and of religion.

          • deon a

            Thank you brazilian guy for your reply. Did you want to argue? That is never my intent. I call it the Holy Bible as do many others besides the R.C. church, I never quoted the Bible itself as saying so.There have been those who have attempted to defile the Bible but the God who is above all has preserved exactly the wat He wanted us to have it or He would not be God at all if He did not do that? The Bible is a road map to heaven my friend, a good, and loving God would never allow His road map to be defiled for our eternity depends upon it’s truth and accuracy and if that is the kind of a god that you have please let me introduce you to mine. Be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            The Bible to me is a LOVE LETTER. Inviting me into a relationhip with my Lord and SAVIOR. I accept this free gift. And am truly enjoying reading all these comments about my friend, Jesus Christ.

          • deon a

            Awesome Julie, thank you for your testimony. Me too.

          • NotoriousGOP

            B. Basic
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          • deon a

            Amen to that. It is “the road map” to eternity, God most high can and always keep and preserve it for ua created in His image and id He cannot do that there is no God at all and therefore no hope for mankind beyond the grave. My God is able.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Barrus/100003813708373 Jim Barrus

            The Holy Bible is a collection of stories complied by many men -scholars – brought together by King James. As happens when men get together on something there were disagreements and conssesions. there is a to-do about the books that have been left out of the Bible. maybe because the men could not agree on them? They had to interpret from Greek, Italian and Hebrew.

          • Melody

            Oh, Deon…I am sorry you did not develop understanding of your ex-faith before leaving it. You are so close in many things you say, but not quite on the money. Also, do you not remember that the Book of Mormon is a record of the civilizations in America? Why would God only give scripture related to one land and one time? How would that help people of today? God continues to give information to man that is relevant to our time. The Book of Mormon detracts nothing from the Bible; it goes hand in hand with it. And when I die, my savior, Jesus Christ, will be there to meet me, not necessarily Joseph Smith, although we Mormons do believe we will see our loved ones again. I will not, however, see God the Father until after I have accepted Christ’s atonement for me at the “final judgement” and therefore been made ‘clean’ again. By the way, hahaha, women will not be sex slaves to their husbands in heaven! You are a silly nut, my friend! Where did you come up with that? Talk about imagination, or maybe just your own carnal interpretation, I suppose. I can tell you that relationships between spouses will be sacred, meaningful, deep, and everlasting; and not purely for the mortal, carnal body’s pleasure. I bear testimony of that even now, as my 25-year marriage is MUCH more meaningful than it was after 1, or 5, or 10 years! PS-polygamy exists in the Bible!!!
            Lastly, could you PLEASE read through your posts once more before you submit them? Sometimes your sentences don’t make sense and so your thought processes are hard to follow. Thanks!

          • deon a

            My God is the God of the Bible, it was not Elohim or any other god who was once in human form. My Bible tells me that Lucifer is a fallen angel once of the highest order (archangel) and he was cast out of heaven along with 1-3 rd of the angels for their rebellion against the most high God, not that he was the child of Elohim or the brother of Jesus. That is a fairy tale and far from the teachings of my Bible along with every aspect of LDS teaching.I am no extert on Mormonism as ye susspose but I promise you, you are not either if you think that the god’s of Mormonism or your jesus or any of your doctrines correlate in any way to the teachings (the one and only road map) the Bible to heaven. Really I do appreciate your reply but you are the one that really needs to figure out this whole thing of LDS teachings are nothing more than charades that do not even closely resemble true Christianity. Satan (the fallen angel) is a master at deception and you who follow him in LDS rhetoric have fallen for his lies. I pray always for your true salvation and that of Glen Beck and other Mormons among all those who lost and do not know my wonderfula nd glorious Savior Jesus Christ if Nazareth who died for all that they may know Him.

          • deon a

            P.S. It is the true hope of every Mormon wife to be eternally pregnant with their spiritual children whom their god husbands father
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Mr0TqrEf8, dare to watch this film or is it the forbidden fruit to know the truth of it, banned by your church? http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism

          • Melody

            Why do you insist on getting “knowledge” of LDS doctrine from non-LDS sources? They, and you, are dead wrong. “The true hope of EVERY Mormon wife?” You know every Mormon wife? You do not know me. Please quit speaking of things you do not know. I pray for the day, whether it be in this life or the next, when your eyes are opened.

          • deon a

            So just what is your hope and by what authority do you have it? Really I ask sincerely as I do. The god makers one and two is my source, did you watch it on YouTube. Please do and please then get back to me on anything that is not correct, but watch it please. I do know from your own doctrine and covenants and book of Mormon that there is enough difference in those books alone to demonstrate to me that we have a different God and different Jesus, Was your Jesus a product of physical sexual activity with one of your gods (Elohim or not)? Is the Bible that I and millions of others incorrectly translated as stated by your own religious books and leaders? I will read your suggested sources on your own church authority if you will watch this video and check out  http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, seriously if your church really does not have a different god or a different Jesus and it really does not discount the power and the authority of the Bible, I will apologize to all, repent and rejoin the join, but promise me also that you will admit it if you cannot show me otherwise and quit telling any one else that they do not conflict. This is your challenge and for anyone else you know. Just be truthful and know that the one and only God of heaven and Earth is the only source of complete truth. I will accept no other and neither should you. Be blessed for sure in your search.

          • Melody

            My hopes and dreams are mine alone, and I do not feel compelled to share such happy, special things with a stranger, especially one who is not of my same belief system. Why should I? So you can argue about those too? And last I heard, people do not need any “authority” to hope or dream!
            Like, I stated already, why do you insist on on getting your “knowledge” from non-LDS or anti-Mormon sources? I will not be watching them to prove a point, just as my husband will not look at pornography just to prove it’s detrimental.
            Really? It matters whether it was physical or not? I think you have a fixation on that. No, I do not believe there was “physical sexual activity” between God and Mary.
            “One of our gods”? How many do you think we have? For the 1500th time, we believe in God, the Father, and in His son, Jesus, Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. If you were Mormon, you would know that basic principle, which makes me doubt you ever were. What stake or ward were you in?
            Your sentence, “Is the Bible that I and millions of others incorrectly translated as stated by your own religious books and leaders?” doesn’t make sense. Is the Bible… what? I can’t answer what isn’t a clear question. I asked you to re-read through your posts before submitting them for the sake of those who will try to follow your thoughts.
            You will “rejoin the join”? What??
            The 2 books DON’T conflict. I wonder why it’s okay for “your” Bible to allow polygamy, but when the Mormon religion (who once practiced it for a short time for a specific reason) does it, it’s not okay.
            I will not make any deals with you. You are of no consequence to me. I have nothing to prove to you, nor you to me. We are all responsible for our own journey to salvation. I will make no apologies to anyone for believing what I have a testimony of, for I only accept that God, His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are the only source of truth and light.

          • deon a

            I was last a church member in Georgetown S.C. when I resigned but joined in Grenville S.C. where I was baptized.I am not in the least bit ashamed to or reluctant to share with you my hope and from what source and authority from which it comes as you are.The authority is the anchor of my faith and as I previously stated it is Christ alone as taught in the Bible alone.Why do you insist on getting your knowledge from LDS sources only. I have both the LDS and the Bible as well as other former Mormons such as myself.It does matter if it was physical or not as it totally contradicts Biblical teaching that the birth of Christ was miraculous virgin birth not a lustful sexual encounter as does your church teach despite your own denial of believing it (many LDS members deny it) http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism is not non Mormon as ye suppose it is straight from Mormon doctrine thus my question to you who is your authority (no wonder you avoid answering it) as well as your avoidance of answering about the incorrect translation of the Bible which is clearly LDS doctrine.Mormons are supposed to be evangelistic yet it is of no consequence to you? D &C’s Sect 132 clearly states (among other places in your official literature) that Polygamy is your god’s way for you to become a god or goddess.” Let the redeemed of the Lord say so” and I say so.

          • Melody

            Why do you avoid the name of your ward? Like I said, I don’t believe you were a member. You don’t know the basic principles that you were supposedly taught. The 9 year-olds I teach know more than you seem to.
            I think you and I have different definitions of “hope.”
            I already explained why I get my information from LDS sources.
            It doesn’t matter whether it was physical or not when we’re talking about Christ as our Savior. The Book of Mormon does NOT contradict the Bible (as far as it translated correctly-again, a basic principle you do not know of) and our doctrine ALSO teaches that Christ’s birth came about through his virgin mother Mary. Your statement that LDS doctrine teaches that it was “a lustful sexual encounter” is inflammatory to all Christians. Shame on you.
            I didn’t avoid your question; AGAIN, you were unclear about what you were asking. Since I still don’t know exactly what you are wanting to know (“challenge” me on aka argue about) the best I can do is to tell you this about “my authority”: Our prophet, an instrument of God, is my authority, and God himself through personal prayer and personal inspiration/revelation, and Jesus Christ, my Savior and Redeemer. We are the only church that has had Christ’s priesthood restored.
            Whether or not polygamy exists in the next life really doesn’t matter because we will always have our free agency. Choice will ALWAYS exist!
            This will be my last reply to you since I also believe that Christ’s gospel is not a gospel of contention nor confrontation. It is shifting my focus from living a Christ-centered life, and I choose not to engage in it any longer.
            Good luck to you!

          • deon a

            I do not even remember the name of my ward lady. Do not have a clue, was not then nor will it ever be important to me. Why is it so important to you?

          • deon a
          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            It is finished simply meant that all works needs to be done to complete man’s provision for Salvation was finished. Up until the time of His death and resurrection there was lacking that essential component for the complete Salvation of man.Nothing else after that is needed for those who believe and repent.

          • http://www.facebook.com/all.4.him.1971 Bryan Keith Joiner

            I’m sorry but i began reading the book of mormon. All I had to see was Joseph Smith, a well known drunkard and can man, had a visit from Jesus Christ. (BUT we know this is not scriptural becausse after he ascended into heaven He would not return untill He Came back in power to take His Throne.) And was shown golden plates with the Book of Mormon written on them. Yet these Golden Plates have never been seen by anyone else and we are to believe this. Really, my friend.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Would not it be very hard to carry these golden plates? Didn’t he have to run through thick forests carrying them. How much do yo think they weighed?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maury-Jones/757751167 Maury Jones

            Wow! Some serious allegations that need a bit of truth shed on them. First, more than 11 other persons besides Joseph Smith saw the plates. (Three witnesses, eight witnesses, and Mary Whitmer testified that they saw the plates, and an anti-Mormon named Willard Chase said that he saw them in the moonlight when he attacked Joseph while trying to get the plates from Joseph.) Three official witnesses saw the plates, the Angel, and heard the voice of God commanding them to bear record of it, which they did. None of the three ever denied that testimony, although all three left the church because of persecution and disagreements with Joseph Smith, two of them coming back to the Church later in life. Oliver Cowdery, while out of the church, verified in court that he saw the plates and the angel. It’s in the court record. Martin Harris came back to the Church, moved to Utah, and testified over and over again that he saw the angel and the plates. The one that didn’t come back, David Whitmer, had his testimony published to the world when he was “in the very sunset of life” that he saw the plates and the angel. In addition to these three, eight others saw, handled, and “hefted” the plates. No angel, no voice of God, no supernatural occurrences. They simply went with Joseph Smith out into the woods, Joseph set the plates on a stump and the eight examined them and wrote their testimony of the occurrence. None ever denied that. And during his lifetime thousands of people revered Joseph as a prophet and suffered much persecution and even death for that testimony. Today millions of people, myself included, know that Joseph Smith was called of God to be an instrument in restoring God’s true church back to the earth. Were Joseph Smith actually a drunkard and a con man, it would be impossible for that many people to revere him as a prophet.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Specifically contradictory is the vs. in D & C’s that in order to become a god you must have more than one wife. Would someone please share with me the exact quotation of that vs. and where it is found? I am sorry for the paraphrasing but the point is there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • Anonymous

            His work was finished, the promise was finished, the covenant was completed but this was not the end. Christ returned and spoke to his disciples, enjoining them to go forth and carry on the work until the end of days. Since the end of days has not arrived then it is not “finished”. If it were finished then we would need no mission work. There would be no baptist churches or any other church because the work of the church was finished at the moment of his death on the cross. Focusing on that single phrase rejects all that came afterwards and that was the miraculous part of the story.

          • deon a

            The finished “product” was the completion for everything that we as the human race could ever want or need for our Salvation and opportunity to become the righteousness of Christ through the shedding of Jesus blood ( was that completed work) which is sufficient to wash clean the sins of the whole world. Yes the work continues because of it, but nothing else ever needed for our “Salvation” could any one else ever add to it as do false religions.always proclaiming they have discovered something new that we need to embrace (or secrets from the past) nonsense and demonic it is.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003400101954 Carol Lee Barrientos

            You are right! Our salvation is about Jesus only; not plus anything man may add! He died for our sins, was buried & rose from the dead and is at the right hand of God interceding for His body, the church! Praise the Lord for His grace! God’s redemption at Christ’s expense!We must believe in Jesus while we are alive in these earthly bodies, no way is praying for the dead going to save any soul because they will be wherever they are because of choices they made while still alive.Thank you Lord Jesus for making a way for us sinner’s to be forgiven and born again from above! Halelujah, amen! from a redeemed sinner! Thank you Yeshua! I belong to You now and forever! Praise you Lord!

          • deon a

            Thank you for your reply. My heart does truly ache for my LDS friends. But most of them are following a religious institution who are experts at the most cunning levels of deceit. When truth confronts the lies and darkness meets the light.Satan will roar like a lion in his fury and make threats against and target whom he considers to be the enemy when he Knows not that it he who is own worst enemy and so beware of the attacks that he devises against those who expose the darkness. Be blessed my friend and to all those who read these posts in search for almighty God’s sovereign truths..

          • Anonymous

            @deon a: If Jesus had compiled the Bible when he walked among men, then I would say you are correct. But, it was men who compiled what they believed to be the most authentic of apostolic writings and the OT writings which gave us the Bible. The Bible makes no claim that it is the end of the canon of scripture–men decided that. Your claim that the additional scriptures are contrary to the Bible only tells me you haven’t read them because they support Biblical teachings.

          • deon a

            Thanks for your reply. Who do you think that it was that “chose” those men to write the words subscribed in the Bible. It is silly and Naive aa well as faithless to not believe that “the creator ” of all the universes knew whom it was that He could trust to deliver His infallible word. And that God is no author of confusion my friend nor is He contradictory to Himself.. You are to be commended to have given this much thought to the issue. Please do not stop ,now. I welcome your further correspondence as I think you are gonna get this.. May this one and only God bless you as you seek Him for His eternal wisdom.

          • Anonymous

            @deon a: Sorry for delay in response. Your response unfortunately was buried in my in-box.

            Yes, I agree with you on some points. Of course, God has a hand in all things. I also agree with you that God is not the author of confusion. However, man certainly is and given that many Christians who read the Bible disagree on the interpretation of passages, e.g., the necessity of baptism, the divinity of Jesus Christ, etc. Certainly, there is some confusion among the various sects as to which POV is correct. The Book of Mormon in particular, which stands as a second witness for Jesus Christ, makes simple doctrines taught in the Bible clear and unquestionable. I appreciate your response; however, my testimony is firm that these additional scriptures are also from God. The Bible does not state that it is the only word of God, it does not state that the canon is closed. And even some non-LDS-theologians agree that in practice the canon is closed; although, there is no Biblical basis for such an assertion. God Bless.

          • deon a

            The Bible clearly tells us and gives warning to those who would add or take away from what God ( the one and only God) my God has preserved for us who believe it. The Book of Mormon, etc. clearly speaks of another Jesus, other God’s, and another Holy Spirit that the Bible condemns as Woolf in sheep’s clothing, the father of all liesm and the great deceiver, Thbe God’s of Morminism are not the God of the Bible.

          • Anonymous

            Sorry deon a, you’ll have to be specific with your Biblical references to make your point of where the Bible gives the warning to those who would add or take away from the Bible. I don’t believe you have read the Book of Mormon (in it’s entirety) to be able to make the assertions you are expounding. It seems you are relying on hearsay evidence. God Bless.

          • deon a

            And you have not read yor Bible sir. It is in Revelation, will find exact location and get6 back to you. Am surprised you did not know this as every Christian I know of is very familiar with the passage, but most Mormons I can understand would not know it. I am at a location right now unable to access a Bible concordance, do you have one? Please look for yourself. The passage reads something like this by memory only, and if you add or take away from this book, I will take away your name from the book of life, (paraphrased b y memory) please look it up.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, I have read the Bible, and I am quite familiar with those passages. However, I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same references. I can only assume this what you are talking about since you did not provide your references. I have read the Bible from cover to cover—as I have also read the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Book of Abraham. And yes, I am aware of the passage in Revelation; there is also a similar passage in the Old Testament.

            Revelations 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

            And Deuteronomy in 4:2
            2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

            Revelation, as I am sure you must know, is actually not the last book in the Bible. It was only placed last because of its apocryphal nature, and it didn’t seem to really fit “chronologically” to the compilers of the scripture. And of course, if Deuteronomy were taken at face value we could not have the rest of the Old Testament nor the New Testament. These scriptures were specifically dealing with those books, they were not speaking for the whole of scripture. Gotta run. God Bless.

          • deon a

            So apparently you do still believe that it was O.K. for Joseph Smith to add volumes to the the Bible despite the warnings given in the O.T. and N.T.? In that case you will be well deserving of the punishment and Judgments of an angry God. I am so sorry to hear that of you or anyone, I get no pleasure in knowing your fate, but I will be joyous on judgement day to see God’s justice pronounced upon us all. God have mercy on you before it is too late.

          • Anonymous

            I appreciate your concern for the welfare of my soul; however, I am fully confident that God will judge me by His standards and not those set by men. I think you should leave my judgment to God. Just as the Catholic Church of the Reformation age had no authority to condemn to hell and burn those who felt a reformation was needed–God will judge their fate, as he will mine. I will not judge yours as it is between you and our Heavenly Father. I am sure God will have mercy on me, as he will you, that is why He sent his Son to atone for our sins.

            The scripture reference you pointed out did not legitimize your point. The canon of scripture was never declared closed by God. It is only a common consensus that they are closed by men. There is a huge difference in the distinction.

            Have you read the Book of Mormon for yourself? Do you know what it teaches about Christ from studying it yourself?

            If the answer is no, then I think you should. The fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth. Joseph Smith was a prophet, and The Book of Mormon stands as another powerful witness and testimony of the divinity of Jesus Christ. And you can know that for yourself too. Whatever you may choose to do, may God bless you on your journey.

          • Anonymous

            Jake Bennett –
            Who are we, as mere creations of God (and not God himself) to tell God what he can and cannot do? If God wanted to speak today to mankind, by y-o-u-r own words, you would LITERALLY tell God, “Hey, you can’t do that! You CAN’T talk to us today because you said right here in this book (the Bible) that you have nothing more to say!”
            Now does that make sense at all? I leave you to answer that yourself.

          • deon a

            Sure God has plenty to say to us today still, I hear from Him daily, but what He has to say always lines up with what He has already written in His Holy word (the Bible) nothing that contradicts it like in the Book of Mormon, etc. Those books consistently contradict the Bible as I have pointed out so clearly in my other posts. God (my God) is not the author of confusion but Satan is.

          • http://www.facebook.com/all.4.him.1971 Bryan Keith Joiner

            sorry jake you can’t pick one verse and think you have proven your point.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398481955 John Hall

            They most certainly are one being, one God. When asked by Philip to show the disciples the Fathe,r Jesus replied in John 14:9 “Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Because Jesus took upon Himself the sin of the whole world at that moment and so God turned away from Jesus his head in shame as He does with all unrepeated sin. Of course after this Jesus was restored to His father. http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism

          • Anonymous

            They are one being divided in the flesh. This is the one part of official doctrine that I think most people over think. Christ began his life in total union with his father (God) because he was perfectly innocent. During his life he grew more distant from his father through the act of being human until the last days when he was most removed from God and then on the Cross when he was completely separated from God and thus most fully human. This is why he cried out “Why have you forsaken me” The wording is important. Forsaken does not mean ignored, or cheated me it meant literally why have separated from me. Then of course upon his resurrection he was once more fully reunited with God.

            Think about it like a real life father and son relationship. A son is one with his father at a young age, he copies his father in almost everything and seeks to emulate his father because in the world of a child, especially a son the father is the absolute truth, the absolute rock. During his life the son grows distant from the father, becomes his own man until it seems as though the two people have nothing in common and eventually when the son is grown old and the father has passed away there is a moment that the son realizes that in all the differences he had with his father he was in the end the same person. Like the old Chapin song goes, My boy was just like me…

        • Anonymous

          Boy, are you confused, as is stated in GOD’s word, He came to earth in human form to die for the sins of man and in so doing as He oft times refers to Himself as the son of man as he was indeed raised in this form by man, Joseph, Mary’s husband. As for his walking in the garden with Adam, He was and is GOD who can take on any form He chooses including being the entire universe. We, our inner selves, the soul of man not the outer shell is made in the image of GOD. As for all being the children of GOD, not so, only those who come to Him through Jesus Christ are His children, others are denizens of Satan who is anxiously waiting for their demise so he may take possession of them as he is not allowed to take their lives. There is documentation of a child dying and seeing both Christ and GOD saying that GOD is so big he can hold the world in His hand, but in His human form as Christ looked like a man with a ruddy complexion. Now, as a Mormon, you will not get to enjoy the glorious wonders of Heaven as you Mormons believe that you will become gods with your own planet to rule unless maybe that wasn’t explained to you. Also, try to find out what happened to the gold plates Joe Smith received from the Angel, I would really like to know if he might have taken them to the grave or how he buried them or what ever. One more thing, read Rev. 22: 18-19 this applies to BOM, Watch tower, Koran and any other publication that adds to or takes from GOD’s word. I would advise you to be leery of any religion that disavows the word of GOD. Have a nice day.

          Benjamin Franklin

          • http://www.facebook.com/i.am.skye.flynn Skye Flynn

            We don’t believe we will someday rule our own planet. We believe that we will have our own personal universe.

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            Oh that’s a much better promise than even 70 virgins! That should entice a few more patrons nicely. Luke 17:1

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            CS… Lighten up your tune bro or sis. We are family here. I’m just a believer I Jesus. So do me a favor and chill… We love you and Jesus is Lord : )

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            @facebook-100001804204974:disqus … do you realize how similar the LDS response to criticism is to liberal responses? Once all of your lies have been called out you resort to feigned benevolence. I bet if Joe was black you’d say I was racist instead of actually responding to my charge. When your people wave around invented rewards like “whole universes” to try to entice the gullible you are exactly like the Muslims that promise 70 virgins. Both of you want those people and both of you made stuff up to get them. If the after-life were anything like Mormon theology Jesus would have said so. He did not, nothing at all like your spirit universes with spirit babies and spirit wives. Answer that, don’t be a liberal and change the subject. Otherwise just close your mouth, or better yet go back to the arid places.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            There is much similarity in the carnal and lustful Muslim religion and the LDS, as a Mormon when a white male dies he is judged by Joseph Smith to be deemed worthy to become a god to have as many wives (sex slaves) as he wishes for recreation so that he may rule over them on his own planet as their ruler and god. Very carnal. I must conclude how my heart does ache for those who so deceived to believe this perversion. God Jehovah has so much more in store for us than this.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, Joey please check out this sight for a complete truth regarding all of these subjects easily accessed and be blessed with the truth and be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            I am not Moran but I agree… He has so much prepared for us that if it were told us we would have a hard time believing it : )

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Thank you for the correction Skye and for being honest enough to speak up regarding this issue. I have read hundreds of of these posts up until now and no one mentioned this issue before you or I. And just for the record there always has been and always will be but one true, living breathing God my friend and all other wanna be gods are like Satan himself, a wanna be god. But the one and only true God wants to share His kingdom with you for all eternity and it by a si9mlple act of faith that you must be born again, Jn 3:1-7. Be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Where is that in the Bible?

          • http://www.facebook.com/abel.johnson.7146 Abel Johnson

            Wow, are you ever mislead. The book of Revelations was wrtitten way before most of the other books in the New Testament. So how can you believe they do not add to or take away from?

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            Abel… You got a good name man. Don’t be judging his heart with that “You are Mislead”, comment : )

          • Cindy miller

            I believe that God looks at our hearts. We are either good or evil. If we love God and are doing what we believe is right, he will straighten out our theology where it is wrong, when we go to be with him. As long as we do our best to do his will, and our motives are pure, God is with us. I certainly do not believe it is my place to judge anyone as far as salvation goes. While I am not Mormon, I do believe they are among the most moral and loving people that I know. And I am sure some don’t fit that pattern as is the case with every religion. In general, they are very patriotic, honest, loving people with good intentions and I’m sure God loves them and someday all who love God will be united together with the absolute truth. Until then, I believe no religion is perfect, only God. And to me Christianity is not a religion it is a reality of knowing and believing in Christ and having our hearts reflect his love towards others the best we can. After all Christ did say that if they are not against us they are for us, when there were was another group apart from the apostles casting out demons etc. in his name.

          • Josephine Rogers

            Yes exactly – let’s unite in our faith in Jesus Christ!! It’s
            understood as different church’s we will have differing translations of
            scripture but we all believe Jesus Christ is the only one who can save
            us and we all desire to love and serve God! Let us unite in this and
            not be divided! Satan would have us quirral with one another. It’s
            okay to simply state what one believes and to learn from one another to
            have a better understanding of each other but to argue over points of
            doctrine and accuse others of being wrong is not in harmony with what the Savior would want! And this is what Glenn is always stressing! Thank you for your comment! :)

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            not going to happen, a cult is a cult is a cult. Joseph Smith was a liar, he was one of those that Jesus warned us about. You will ask, what harm has he done? You will say his gospel is identical to the others. This is not true, not by a long shot. He reinstated legalism in a HUGE way, a belief that we can quantify the commands of God, that we can chart our progress, and that with discipline and obedience to other human beings we can “earn” heaven. Joseph Smith resurrects the Pharisees and he was a white washed sepulcher full of dead men’s bones. Just as Jesus said. Members of a cult are so brainwashed they must believe the lies of their leader. The bigger the cult, the more difficult it is to realize the folly. Once a cult member becomes president, this will finalize the deception until the end. When Jesus returns, and does not land between the spires of the “Tabernacle” (a theme that Jesus eradicated, and Joe reinstated) His criticism will be: “Why have you not listened to me? Why did you accept the false teacher? It is because I was not enough for you. My promises were not specific enough, so you followed another. A liar who tempted your flesh. One like Jannes and Jambres.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Makers

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Well said. But like Jesus, he loved the sinner and hated the sin. We as Christians will win more lost souls to God if weshow love. Not hate. I thank Glenn Beck for allowing us to write on his page.
            Matthew 10: 11 Jesus says…”Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12 as you enter the home, give it your greeting, 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is ot, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15 I tell you the truth, i will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town. 16 I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.” JESUS GOD says.

          • Melody

            You imply Romney is a cult member and he will finalize the deception until the end. That’s funny…I think the same of Obama. Only God know which one of us is right.
            You should reread what Cindy MIller and Josephine Rogers posted. I am LDS. They are right. Christ and his love are the common denominator. That is enough for me to be done with all of this. Thanks girls, for calming me down and reminding me of the goal ahead! Bless you!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Yes all churches have their own teachings and beliefs it’s true but the Mormons are the only ones that believe that they can one day become a god in their own right as good Mormons when they die and go to a planet called “kalub” where Josesph Smith awaits them to let them in to become a god or not. This is a horrible trick of the enemy and a lie from hell. And not one of you has challenged this horrid belief yet of all o0f the replies I have had so far from previous posts. My friends just stick to what the Holy Bible” teaches and you will never go astray.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, truth on all Mormon doctrine easily accessed. Be blessed in your search for the truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, truth easily accessed, be blessed.

          • Marc Call

            Again, you are foolish for believing that whatever you find online is truth. Here, look what I found! Apparently all Catholics are going to Hell! Its online so it must be true!
            http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/fools.htm

          • Melody

            EXACTLY!!! Why do people keep relying on man’s versions and interpretation (relying on the “arm of flesh”) rather than getting the truth from God??

          • Clint

            The book is Revelation…there is no “s” on the end. It was the book that John wrote on the island of Patmos from the vision the Lord gave him.

          • Anonymous

            You might want to re-look at the book of Revelation (singular), not plural. There is only ONE Revelation, Christ Jesus. If you’re using the plural, Revelation(s), you either haven’t read it, or you don’t know what your talking about! In addition, do some research on when it may have been written. Scholars vary. Preterists say before the temple was distroyed in 70 AD, but most Biblical scholars say 90-95 AD. Be careful of referring to it as Revelation(s)!

          • http://www.facebook.com/joeymclean55 Joey McLean

            I have been going along with this debate but that kind of discourse is what screws the whole thing up!!! Sooooo…., Mr Ben Or Benjamin Franklin, cool your jets and let’s keep talking brother. I’m not a Moran. I am a Alabama Christian that is in Israel and have been coming since 2004. I was here at the steps that Jesus taught on where Mr Beck had the restoring courage, praying a few months before he came. God is working here and I want civil loving debate please. Get off the high horse and let God speake to all of us to get our hearts in tune with Him because Satan knows his time is short and he’s trying to divide us so he can stick around longer”

            Thank you brother! : )

          • Josephine Rogers

            Yes exactly – let’s unite in our faith in Jesus Christ!! It’s understood as different church’s we will have differing translations of scripture but we all believe Jesus Christ is the only one who can saves us and we all desire to love and serve God! Let us unite in this and not be divided! Satan would have us quirral with one another. It’s okay to simply state what one believes and to learn from one another to have a better understanding of each other but to argue over points of doctrine and accuse others of being wrong is not in harmony with what the Savior would want! And this is what Glenn is always stressing! Thank you for your comment! :)

          • Sharon

            Prezelect1, I fear it is YOU who are misled. You are incorrect in your assumptions. Why do you care what happened to the golden plates that JOSEPH had? It doesn’t matter to you except for you to make more fun of it. There is NOTHING in our religion that disavows God at all. Again, I say go to the source instead of being negative in what you write.

          • Anonymous

            The book of Revelations was written before many other books in the New Testament. By your reasoning you have just nullified much of the word of God that you hold so dear.

          • Anonymous

            So, you are an authority on Revelations, do you even know who the revealer was and what was his affiliation to Christ? You state Revelations was written prior to other books in the New Testament, then why is it the last book in the bible and why is it not repetitious of former books as are the first three or why aren’t the books following it if it were written prior to them repetitious of Revelations. Revelations is prophesy of what is to come and is Christ speaking to the Angels of the seven churches of Asia. What I said about adding to and taking from GOD’s word are not my words, but rather the word’s of Christ given in testimony to John by an Angel sent from Christ. The BOM does add as it is a tome presumably of fact that ties in to GOD’s written word and as for Satan being Christ’s brother, not so, he was Heaven’s most beautiful Angel until he influenced others to do battle against GOD and those who remained loyal to him causing his expulsion from Heaven with his legions who were transformed from Angels to Demons. Members of LDS or any man for that matter will never attain perfection to the point of being a god. There is and will always be only one GOD even though there are numerous false gods through out the world. We are GOD’s creation, not the other way around. By your reasoning as a Mormon you have nullified the blessed trinity, Father, son and Holy Ghost.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            prezelect1, I can feel your frustration. But we need to love even the Mormons. Jesus loves all sinners, He created us all. And like the prodigal child God may be using Mitt Romney to lead Mormons into the love and relationship God sodesperately wants with ALL his children. Pray that God sends the Holy Spirit to teach Mitt Romney the truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)
            “Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,” (D&C 132:20).

        • deon a

          They also believe that their prophet (leader) whomever holds the office is the equivalent to (Jesus Christ) in their authority and what they say in their publications is equal to the Bible (word of God).One of their former prophets (???) wrote an article that declared that God Jehovah descended from heaven to personally impregnate Mary physically by having sex with her (the mother of Jesus). Their emphasis is very carnal sexually like the Muslims.

          • Sharon

            Our Prophet receives information from God, he is NOT equivalent to Jesus Christ, Deon a. Anything in our publication (i.e. Book of Mormon) is a witness of the Bible and of Christ. How could Jehovah have impregnated Mary and then be born of her? That would equal incest in the weirdest, twisted sort of way and would be physically impossible. Our views are NOTHING like the muslims. You must go to the source, not anti-Mormon literature.

          • deon a

            Did your god speak to Brigam Young when he wrote it in the journal of discourses? God speaks to me to my friend through His Holy and infasllible word and confirms everything He has written in my heart and He never said anything like that. And yes any wanna be god is insestuous.The article was quoted by others writing in, please read it for youself. And by the way do you intend to be a god of your own someday or the one the wives of one of the gods made by the Mormon church because according to their doctrine that is where you are heade as a Mormon in good standing. But that is not my God’s plan for you or me. You may join Him in eternity by becoming a born again Christian Jn. 3;1-7. That is all He requires of any of us.

        • http://twitter.com/theoldstorytell Gary Alan Adkins

          Question: Was Jesus talking to himself on the cross when he said: Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do?

        • http://www.facebook.com/jdamron Jill Damron

          Mormons own informaiton states that Jesus is a separate god from the Father (Elohim). He was created as a spirit child by the Father and MOther in Heaven, and is the “elder brother: of all men and spirit beings. His body was created through sexual union between Elohim and Mary. Jesus ws married. His death on the cross does not provide full attonement for all sin, but does provide everyne with resurrection. None of these are in the KJV Bible. This is Joseph Smiths revelation… we are told specifically in the Bible this is it.. do not add or take away words.. there are no more revelations. PERIOD.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            Oh thank you so much Jill for taking the time to study these truths and post them here. Oh please my Mormon friends take heed of these truths as posted here and the falseness of your own prophets.

          • http://twitter.com/NeilHoopes Neil L. Hoopes

            @Jill Damron: I assume that you are referencing Revelation 22:19 about “adding to” or “taking away”. It is important for people studying scripture to understand their origins. The Book of Revelation was actually written before many of the other books included in the New Testament… it just happened to be placed last by those scholars who put the Bible together. Also, very similar words can be found earlier in the Old Testament, namely in Deuteronomy (see Deut. 4:2). What these words mean is not to “add to” or “take away” from the words of that particular book… meaning the Book of Revelations, etc. If it meant what you think it means, then everything written after the Book of Deuteronomy is not true and Christ did not come at all.

        • Sebastian Kaine

          The Bible teaches that God has a spiritual body. It is not corruptible flesh and blood like ours. It is close to the “glorified” bodies that we will possess one day if we believe in Christ. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are “one” in that they all “represent” God, and all are a part of the “GodHead”, yet they have different jobs. God the Father is still the Father, and although Jesus and the Holy Spirit are “one” with Him, they do the Father’s Will. If you study the sayings and prayers of Christ, it was always the “Father’s Will” that He sought to do, yet He said I and My Father are one. The Trinity simply explained is “GOD” has three forms, but all are still GOD. Try this link out. Hope it helps: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/trinity.shtml

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            I just take issue with the way the Trinity is explained. It makes it sound like they are attached to each other.

            Why not just call it the “Family”? After all it’s father and son, right? It’s like how you’d say the Jones are “one” but they are also not one. After all, we were made in His image and we are all families.

            When you start calling it the “Godhead” it sounds a lot like the Hindu god Brahma with multiple faces on one head. The words “trinity”, “Godhead”, and the like never appear in scripture, it seems more scholarly assumption, but we should not make any assumptions about what exists up there, in case we are wrong.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            http://carm.org/teachings-of-mormonism, please check this out and be blessed.

          • Anonymous

            Early Christians often used terms that were more in line with Family. In fact the holy family (Joseph, Mary and Jesus) were often equated with the heavenly family (God, Son and the Holy Ghost or Wisdom as it is often refereed) God equates to Joseph, the son is of course Jesus and the holy ghost (Wisdom) is Mary in her Virginal and thus pure undiluted state.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            This was a very helpful link. I added it to my favorites. Thank you for sharing it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            kingdom of cults by walter martin

        • http://www.facebook.com/don.martin.353 Don Martin

          Actually we don’t all work towards heaven. The traditional christian belief is that salvation is a gift from God as a result of our belief in the sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross. A gift is not earned, it is freely given by God. The center piece of Christianity is the belief that Jesus is in fact one of the aspects of God. God in the form of Jesus took on mortal form and came to earth to live as a man and make the ultimate sacrifice to create the new covenant that is the New Testament. Ephesians 2: 8-9 “8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Jesus is not the “God” of any particular realm or planet, Jesus is God the Son. John tells us that the word existed in the beginning and that God had the word with him. Jesus is that word and as the word he was made flesh. It also tells us that Jesus is the light of the world and that the world was made “through him”. He is not of this world. In the end the fact that Jesus had all the power of God and did not use it to change his fate is what makes the gift so extraordinary. Without Jesus being God incarnate, God as man the gift means nothing and the salvation paid for on the cross and by the blood means nothing. You cannot “earn” your way to heaven, you cannot succeed by works, you can only accept or not accept the gift.

          • DE Cannon

            It’s important to understand that the ‘ triune God’ has been in an eternal relationship from the beginning. God (Elohim), Jesus Christ (fully God/fully man) and the Holy Spirit (sent to dwell in followers of Christ) are in relationship to one another, and one God. That’s why it was possible for Jesus to pray ‘to the Father’ In his humanity he demonstrated submission to the Father God.

          • http://twitter.com/paoligarcy Paolina Garcia

            Ohhh, I see, you all are worried that if you do not claim Jesus is the EXACT SAME BEING as God that it implies our faith is not monotheistic.

            That said, if you are wrong on this subject (there is no word “trinity” or “Godhead” in the Bible), then be careful.

            The wording “Son of God” often implies a separateness, but you may be overlooking the “oneness” that a family has. You would say your family is “one”, but are not they also separate? Father and Son. To imply the Son IS the Father is problematic and not scriptural.

            “And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor me.” – John 16:3

            There is also Matthew 26:39 to 42 where Jesus is separated spiritually from the Father. How can one being do that to Himself?

            Perhaps in our quest for a label “monotheism”, many people in our faith are reaching for a description “trinity”, “Godhead”, etc. that is not scriptural or sound.

          • DE Cannon

            Jesus Christ and the Father are one. It may be “problematic” for the human mind, but not for almighty God. The word “trinity” is not in the bible, it is simply a word we use to convey the truth of God being one being, 3 “roles”. ” How can one being do that to himself? ” you ask. There is no limit to what God can do! He is Lord of all! He is Elohim! Don’t limit Him in your mind/life. He was, is, and evermore shall be, no beginning and no end. Alpha and Omega- not created, not birthed. And if we had him all figured out, well He wouldn’t be God would he? We are not worried if you are “monotheistic”, we are concerned that the one you claim to save you is not Jesus Christ/God. Consider these words: “God wrapped his love in flesh and blood, and took the form of man.” its there in John 1.

          • Brian Habel

            I offer counsel to my fellow LDS commenter, as to where people might be coming from when they express non-understanding with our beliefs, while trying to write to the whole of us on the subject. In all due respect, there are some likenesses and common ground that non-LDS Christians have with us LDS when we express being saved by God and wrapping up the Father in Jesus in oneness, as part of that. We, LDS, do separate their beings WITH care, when respecting the spiritual witness each can receive in Christ. We attest this can be and is the case, that they really and truly are separate beings. It is ALSO STILL the case of their ONENESS. The authorship of the whole plan of Salvation to “save” was always from the Father AND with the ONENESS that we all share and can share. Even the Book of Mormon speaks in terms of the oneness that God and Christ speak of, on occasions or through prophets, about “being one” and it leaves it at that. However, we have been given much in connection with the Book of Mormon that gives us a clearer view. For instance, Joseph Smith first could not bring about that truth as anything but a true prophet. He as a prophet also attested to seeing them as separate beings. There are layers to this we have to acknowledge, as God and Christ speak. You would see even in “our own book” of scripture, regarding how even Jesus in the Book of Mormon called himself the Father, in a very interesting way, and when delving deeper, significantly, into the subject. We know that the scripture speaks of him as the Father, sharing in a sort of Father-ship with God the Father, his Father also, in that when He, Christ, spiritually has begotten us, when we are changed, repentant, humbled, grateful or what have you, for ‘what he took on’, which is typically by default, that we do not understand the gravity of sin, so suffering, that’s right, penalties for sin, and with all the attending works (maintaining a minimum/workable GPA) we believe, must be in play to significantly accept that GIFT to take us the distance we could not avail and accomplish (the scholarship or FREE GIFT) in and of our own works whatsoever… not being able to RESTORE ourselves to grace either (sin separates us from God), nor to overcome in an infinite way, the affects of our sins; then when he Fathers us as NEW CREATURES, Jesus, in this way and this way only, becomes our Father in a profound way, spiritually begotten or wrought upon and cleansed by his blood through the power of the Holy Ghost, we become HIS sons and HIS daughters, Christ’s. There is one catch, where in we know every other human being would take this credit to themselves after accomplishing such ‘great’ work. Christ on the other hand, praying to His Father and our [spiritual] Father, said, Thy Will Be Done. And we LDS add, that in heaven, prior, and also while here on earth, both occasions, said The GLORY Be to God, and said on earth when others tried to call him good, that there be one that is good and it is the Father who is in heaven. Yet he spoke not like other men, but with authority, being “on assignment to do just such”. We also should not forget, that it is the Fathers plan and by Him, God the Father… citing and giving scriptures both of himself and through Christ, that connote oneness in the Godhead, that it quite literally means, and this is the lesson, not to confuse at all- the love and filial obedience inherent in authoring us all by love AND in what, suffering, so we could by HIS Grace, walk in the light and turn from sin. We should never forget, ‘Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father, and your Father’ and that it must have been horridly painful for the Father to give his precious Son, up to suffer so much for all of us. It is the greatest love story that all other stories ever written pale in comparison and are by essence “acting” jobs. Christ was “bruised” [actually much more than that], is what we all forget, as part of grace that is given. So, we also should bruise our own ego’s and also to win others to a higher plain. The true doctrine itself is pure as they are. If people only knew “how” Christian we really are. The main point is that we respect the same Christ connection and are quite “literal” in our universal claim, beckoning that… John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden
          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maury-Jones/757751167 Maury Jones

            One “Godhead”, meaning governing body of the universe comprised of three separate beings, the head one being God the Father. Not “one God” as in the same person. It would strain credulity to believe that Jesus was a ventriloquist throwing his voice into the Heavens saying “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” at Jesus’ baptism, and it would strain credulity to believe that Jesus would pray to himself as he prayed to his Father many times. The “Father God”, as you call him, is exactly that. The Father of us all and the Father of Jesus Christ.

          • DE Cannon

            With God all things are possible. Nothing is impossible for God. Why do you limit his power? God wrapped his love in flesh and blood and took the form of man. Jesus was fully human, fully God. He did it so that we can know He has felt human pain, joy, love, temptation- yet He lived a sinless life. I have been saved by Christ alone, God in flesh- not by an exalted created being.

          • Mindy M

            A good way to understand what we (members of The Church of Jesus Christs aka LDS) believe about being saved is to think of a college scholarship. The person receiving the scholarship does not pay for the gift, it was given to them and paid for by someone else (Jesus Christ) The person is then given the opportunity to work hard and get a degree. They didn’t pay for it but they had to keep up a certain gpa to maintain the scholarship. If they do nothing beyond just ‘accepting’ the scholarship, they lose it. They must work to maintain the gift they’ve been given.
            James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
            James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
            James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

            I love those things that we share in common my friend. Be blessed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            James 6:26 is exactly what 1 Corinthians 15:20-41 explains. Until a decision is made on the part of an individual person, that person is dead. He has no Holy Spirit living in him. Once a person receives the free gift of the Holy Spirit he is then made a live. That persons free will to choose to have faith and believe brings him eternal salvation. As a veleiver you have the choice to be baptized to show the world that you have the Holy Spirit living in you and your sins are washed away because of the sacrafice of Jesus Christ. It is futile to be baptized in place of someone else whether they believed in the trinity or not. God gave us each freedom to choose to be baptized, and believe, He is a “gentleman” and does not force himself on any person. Why should Mormons? It doesn’t hurt anybody if a Mormon is baptized in the name of somebody else, Bus why do it? Are they trying to get the glory and accolades? In love. Julie D.

          • Mindy M

            We do it for the same reason it was done in the temples in Jesus’ time. Because God is the same God and is no repector of persons. Therefore if someone died without the opportunity for baptism done by one with the correct authority then it wouldn’t be fair for that person to be held to the same standard. So God asked us to level the playing field and perfom baptisms. The people have the choice to accept it or not accept it, but at least the ordinance is done in case they do chose it.
            No one gets any glory or accolades for doing it. It is quietly done as service from the heart.
            Here’s what the Bible says about it:
            1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

          • Anonymous

            I am curious, from your personal opinion and not official doctrine do you believe that a person who dies without being baptized by a living person, even if in that persons heart he wanted “salvation” will he be denied the gift of salvation? If this is the case then every dead person who has not been official baptized should be given the same chance and so every dead person should be baptized, but is every dead person is baptized then doesn’t it dilute the importance of baptism in general?

          • Guest

            If I may I’d like to answer, I believe our Heavenly Father provides a way for anyone choosing Him, to receive salvation, based on grace after all we can do. This life is not the end. I believe everyone will be given to chance to choose to receive salvation! I truly admire those who seek truth, wherever it is!

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            You need to read Walter Martins Kingdom of the Cults

          • Mindy M

            My friend; If I wanted to learn about the Jewish faith and what they believe, would I go and read what the Muslims say about them or would I read their own writings?
            It makes no sense to read what an anti-mormon has to say.
            If a non-Christian picked up a book about the Bible written by detractors,and started reading about how the prophet Jonah disobed the Lord they might say, “He was obviously not a prophet and the Bible isn’t the word of God then.” Or how another Old Testament prophet slept with his dead son’s wife, thinking she was a prostitute. Was he a prophet or not?
            Or how Abraham had a wife and a concubine or Jacob who had two wives and two other female partners (yes, the prophets in olden times practiced polygamy)
            What would you say to the person reading the detractors book about the Bible? Woudn’t you tell him to read the bible and pray about it?
            That’s why I picked up the Book of Mormon, read it and prayed about it. God told me that it was His word in that book.
            I also prayed about Joseph Smith because I had read some distrurbing things about him. I finally realized that it was just one question I needed to ask God. Not, “Did Joseph Smith do this and this?” The one question I needed to ask… “Was Joseph Smith a prophet of God?”
            No, Joseph Smith wasn’t perfect just as the Old Testament Prophets weren’t perfect but I still accept them as prophets because God chose them. I can’t be their judge. I’m not perfect either.
            Luckily I have a God who forgives me and answers my prayers. He let me know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is true.

          • http://www.facebook.com/greg.sowards Greg Sowards

            I guess if Jesus can die for us by proxy taking away our sins, whether we accept it or not. It isn’t too big of a stretch to see that perhaps he would have us participate in that process and do the same for people who haven’t been baptized. Sacrificing time = (our life) to do that work. He did state that everyone must be baptized to enter the Kingdom of God i.e., Heaven. God is consistent even if we “don’t understand” or are not able or willing to see that consistency.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398481955 John Hall

            I’m sorry but James is not referring to salvation but rather the result genuine faith should have in a believer’s life. Please refer to Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” The scholarship analogy is incorrect.

          • Anonymous

            Mindy – you make an interesting analogy. I am not Mormon, I do consider myself to be Christian though not in line with a lot of official doctrine (I am neither Catholic or Protestant but I take what I find to be the truth and embrace it while still keeping an eye open to my own potential capacity for being wrong). I break with mainline Christianity in that I believe that salvation can be revoked (if that is even the proper word). For example, I believe that salvation exists on two separate levels, the first level is as the gift we receive and the second level is as the trans-formative substance of the union between God and man. The gift, like any gift can be taken as easily as it can be given but the trans-formative substance if taken honestly actually alters a persons entire being so that his every act is done within a guided framework. In other words, you can be given the gift of salvation but if that is as far as you take it then the gift can be taken from you (Imagine if a young man is saved but then later kills someone, that act alters him, makes him more prone to hurting people and he turns into a serial killer. His salvation was not a mistake but he did not allow that salvation to transform him so it remained only a gift) Does he still share in the same reward as others who have been saved? The early church dealt with this through their idea of Limbo, which while still officially doctrine is almost totally ignored.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maury-Jones/757751167 Maury Jones

            I believe you have expressed “falling from grace” exactly right.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            All Christians need to read Martins Kingdom of the Cults

          • Mindy M

            Sorry to take so long to respond. My reply got deleted and I didn’t have time to write again until now.
            It sounds like you are very open minded and not so stuck on one ideology. That leaves the door open for God to speak to you.
            I too always keep my eyes open for more truth, even if it changes a prior belief. I know how fallible we humans are.
            There is a saying in our church, “All truth may be circumscribed into one great whole.”
            What that means is that truth is truth, wherever you find it. I love to hear truth.I get chills when I hear truth unabashedly spoken.
            My great, great, grandfather was the third prophet of our church and he said:
            “A man in search of truth has no peculiar system
            to sustain, nor peculiar dogma to defend or theory to uphold; he embraces all
            truth, and that truth, like the sun in the firmament, shines forth and spreads
            its effulgent rays over all creation, and if men will divest themselves of bias
            and prejudice, and prayerfully and conscientiously search after truth, they will
            find it wherever they turn their attention.” John Taylor
            That sounds like what you are doing. I hope you continue on your path of truth.
            God bless.

          • Anonymous

            Well said.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

            Be informed read Walter Martin Kingdom of Cults.

          • Anonymous

            “God in the form of Jesus”? So when Christ prayed in the garden he was praying to himself??? I do not believe that vanity is an attribute that my Father has. Just sayin…. and I do believe that it requires work. The atonement was the gift, accepting and exercising that gift returns us home. Nothing is free.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398481955 John Hall

            Actually salvation is free. Totally free. See Romans
            5:15-18 where the KJV specifically refers to it as a “free gift.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/justine.kohn Justine Lynnette Kohn

            Free for the taking or accepting. James was talking about our actions reflecting our faith. We are faithful when we follow our Savior, when we keep his commandments are these not works and requirements. just food for thought. What is faith if not action. The exercising of our faith, God would not have us be idle in our life. Repentance in itself is an action or work. You can not seperate the two they go hand in hand just like the body and spirit, that is why “faith without works is dead”. What is belief if it does not compel you to action. To be better to be like Christ.

          • http://www.facebook.com/photographybyjulied Julie D Gillis

            Baptism
            Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. II, p. 141). This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the “newly baptized” person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.
            If salvation is free will Mormons are wrong in their Doctrines of Salvation, vol. II,p. 141. Baptizing the dead is your choice not the individuals whom you are being baptized for.

          • Anonymous

            It is also entirely I believe a symbolic act that has no real power. I don’t see it as that different from a Christian praying for the souls of all non-Christians to be saved. Having said this I do see where Jews would be rightly offended. But again I see it is a purely symbolic.

          • Anonymous

            While it is true that we all fall short
            of the glory of God and ultimately we will all be given a gift of eternal life.
            Jesus taught us to “be ye therefore perfect”( Matthew 5:48)
            and to live our lives as he did; ” Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
            believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than
            these shall he do; because I go unto my Father ” (John
            14:12) Jesus went about doing good, lifting the burdens of those around
            him. He did this by healing the sick, raising
            the dead, giving sight to the blind, and blessing the lame to walk, and
            forgiving sins. We Mormons believe that we must emulate the Attributes of the
            Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in our own personal lives. To be a true Christian
            is to take upon us his name and to become like him. When this life is over and
            our mission is complete, Jesus will say “well done thou good and faithful servant.”
            (Mathew 25:21) Many believe in Jesus and he said himself that even the devils
            know who the son of God is. (Luke 4:41)
            Believing alone is not sufficient. James
            said, “Faith without works is dead.” (James
            2:18, 26) The wicked will be dealt with according to the laws of justice and
            mercy. The righteous will be shown mercy
            through Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, Our Savior and Redeemer. Jesus was the only one of God’s children born
            in the flesh who was perfect and righteous.
            JESUS is our advocate with the
            Father. Jesus bought us with his blood
            and his Atoning sacrifice in the garden of Gethsemane where he sweat great
            drops of blood as he took upon him the sins of the World. It is up to us to remain true to the Faith in
            the Lord Jesus Christ and endure to the end. Where we all fall short, as long
            as we do the best we can, Jesus Christ will make up the difference and intercede
            on our behalf with the Father so that we can live in the presence of the Father
            for all eternity. Jesus
            said “as I have loved you, love one another.” (John 15:12)

          • Anonymous

            In fairness this is not totally correct. Salvation as a gift from God is the majority view of mainstream Christianity, but in the early church, especially amongst the Gnostics salvation was often defined as a symbolic union between man and god. If anything the Mormon faith should be seen less separate from Christianity and more like the early Gnostics, a brand of Christianity that is very different from the mainstream. Not equal or right, let me be clear on this, but not actually completely different.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maury-Jones/757751167 Maury Jones

            So, who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane and pleading “let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done.” ?

          • Anonymous

            Well said! You cannot be saved by works…it is a gift from God

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

          Please my friends look up in Google “the plain truth about Mormons” and read what their own doctrines say about the trinity, and all mof these subjects disused herein and do not be deceived by those who do not even know what they believe for real. Look up Mormon’s as a cult on Google and books, hardly a Mormon would ever do so for fear of the truth. It is so easy to find out the truth these days with the flick of a key board. Many of these quotes are from their own prophets and doctrines and others right from the Bible which they “say” do not conflict. Find out fro yourselves please and be blessed.

          • Marc Call

            The fact that you state that its easy to find truth with the flick of a keyboard (especially regarding religion) is a joke. That comment alone by you discredits everything you say. Do you seriously think that whatever shows up on a google search is truth? I also find it amusing that you, NOT being a Mormon tells people to google search about it. If people want the truth about the Mormon church, then they should go to the MORMON CHURCH’S WEBSITE!!! http://www.lds.org

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

          Kingdom of Cults by Walter Martin will answer many questions.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

          do yourself a favor and read Walter Martin Kingdom of the Cults

        • Anonymous

          “It just took me awhile to find the religion that I agreed with”?? Wow. “…nobody liked my answers”?? So you made up your mind that you were right and then found a religion to agree with you?? Wow.

        • Diane Thompson

          Great post, Lynne — I am LDS and it isn’t easy to explain the trinity — people don’t want to think of God or Jesus as having a body — but they did/do! It is so foreign to them that they refuse to even consider it! Makes perfect sense to me, but then I was born and raised LDS.

      • Anonymous

        Check out the The Council of Nicea. It was believed until 323 AD that God was the Father and Jesus Christ was his only begotten Son and that the Holy Ghost was a personage of spirit. A council decided that they were all one. I know that God lives and Jesus is the Christ and that the Holy Ghost testifies of this great truth to me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1364066150 James Tomlin

          I and my Father are one ,,,,HUMMMMM

          • Elden Watson

            And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. … HUMMMMM

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=790347462 Ellen Sorenson Kowallis

            One in PURPOSE is a lot different than the same being.

          • Elden Watson

            My point exactly. Where does it ever say the Godhead are the same being. They are one in purpose.
            Elden Watson

          • Ed Gunnar

            Go ahead! Finish it! ….”but my Father is greater than I”….Hmmmm. Perhaps he is telling us we are all “AT ONE” with our father with Atonement. If there was only One in the Trinity, just who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane?

      • http://www.facebook.com/janet.a.guthrie Janet Avey Guthrie

        mormons believe there is no trinity,, tht the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 separate individual Gods…. working together for the same but that is all I know. I’m sure there’s more to that.

        • R McMillan

          No Janet, we do not, we believe they are three separate and individual beings that are one God, as they state they are. Orthodox Christians translate this to (somehow) mean that they are a single being composed of three persons. John 17: 21 has Christ speaking and says: That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Is Christ inviting them to be part of a single entity, or to join the union that already exists between He and the Father? Thats an easy one to answer…

      • http://twitter.com/rharmony97 R Harmony

        You are correct. I have relatives that are Mormon. They do not believe in the Trinity and this is what makes a Christian a Christian. They are changing what it has meant to be Christian for 2000 years. I recently met a hispanic lady who was lead to believe that the Mormon church was a branch of the Catholic Church here in American. She broke down and cried that she had been so mislead.

      • Sherie

        If by the Holy Trinity, you mean God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost, you are wrong, we do believe in the Holy Trinity, and they are very important to us.

        • Salee spriggins

          What holy trinity do you believe in if not God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost?
          Sent from my iPad

          • ValueSet

            Only God is to be Worshiped.(Matthew 4:10) Jesus accepted Worship. (Matthew 28: 1-20) Jesus is God. (John 14 : 8-11)
            Jesus shows His Divinity by being worshipped, and accepting that worship.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.whitlock.98 Dan Whitlock

        We believe in God, and in His Son Jesus Christ (our Savior) and in The Holy Ghost. We believe that they are three separate beings. Jesus is literally the son of God “The Father”. I don’t understand why that’s so hard the believe that just makes sense
        . When Jesus prayed in the garden before his crucifixion…who was He praying to…himself? When he was baptized, God the Father spoke and the Holy Ghost came in the form of a dove. That sounds like three separate beings to me. On the cross Jesus said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” and “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit” Nowhere in the Bible does it say God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are actually the same person or being. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus is God in the flesh. It does say God the Father and I (Jesus) are “one” meaning one in purpose, thoughts and plan for us, the children of God.

      • James Thomas

        The Mormons believe they will attain godhood and get a planet all their own. Anyone who believes in the book of Mormon is an idiot. Any Mormon who does not believe in the book of Mormon is a fraud and is a Mormon for other devious reasons. Why would anyone vote for a corporate raider like Romney anyway. Romney walks like he’s got a wad of bills stuck up his anus..

        • Salee spriggins

          You know, I don’t think a lot of what God does makes sense in our minds. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our Thoughts……we only see part of His story and trust Him for the rest. This disagreement between Christians and Mormons will continue until Jesus comes back to get us and we will know the truth. There are other things about what the Mormons teach that is totally out of line with the Holy Scriptures…not just the Trinity. We will all be with Him in heaven if we believe in Jesus our Lord And Savior who died and rose again for yours and my sins. We. Do not get our own planet to rule over……and our husbands do not call us up to heaven if he chooses to do so. What happens if husband number one dies and there is a husband number two? Who then has the authority over the wife whether she gets called to heaven or not. I’m sure I’m not writing this properly but you get the idea……
          Sent from my iPad
          .

      • http://www.facebook.com/randigerber Randi Teeples Gerber

        so. Why do you have to think of things the same way. What does that matter.

        • Salee spriggins

          The same way is what?

          Sent from my iPad

      • L A

        they believe they can become gods, for one.

      • Anonymous

        @Salee, you are correct. Us Mormons do not believe in the trinity. We believe that all men are created in God’s image. Look in the mirrior, yes, you have a Heavenly Mother. Seems simple to me that we would look like our creator, after all, our children look like us!

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

        I concur check out Check out Martins Kingdom of Cults available at Amazon.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

        A good source of info is Walter Martins Kingdom of the Cults

      • http://www.facebook.com/meggan.killough Meggan Killough

        This confuses me I don’t understand why you do believe in the trinity. It is clear that scripture states Christ is the literal son of God the Father. That is what we believe. I feel you are right we do not believe the same we believe more. But the most important thing is Jesus is The Living Christ and Savior. I am always sad when christians seem to want beat me over the head with the Holy Trinity. It confuses me why they think it is christian to believe in it.

      • Anonymous

        Do Baptists believe in the Trinity? I don’t think so.

        • Salee spriggins

          Of course. They do. Ask them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fleta-Delb/1381883876 Fleta Delb

      thank you

    • Anonymous

      Glen does not believe in the same Jesus Christ you do Larry, they believe that God and Jesus were separate physical people who dwelled on the earth.
      Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus’ brother, back on the original earth, where God and Jesus dwelled.
      They’ll tell you how much more they like Jesus than Satan, how they deny they
      are equal or both members of the godhead — Jesus is, Satan is not.
      Yet, bottom line they still say that Jesus and Satan are offspring of the
      same Father.
      This goes back to the theology that we were all spirit children together with God in the ‘pre-existence. They do have a ‘Holy Ghost’ that is very similar to our understanding of the Holy Spirit, They don’t believe in a hell, per se … everyone, unless you’re really bad, goes to the first heaven, whether they are Mormon or not. They do believe in an ‘outer darkness,’ but that’s muddy … they aren’t really clear on the kind of people who would go there.

    • Leah

      Sadly, a DIFFERENT Jesus “in common” …

    • deon a

      Did you know that they believe that all Mormon men (when they die) who are in good standing with the church will go to a planet called (Kalub) and Josesh Smith will let them in and decide whether they are worthy to become a “god” like him so they can have their own planet one day to have as many sex slaves as they want to populate their own planet? I know, I am a former Mormon myself.

    • Anonymous

      Here’s a show which will tell you the truth about Mormonism, especially that it is NOT Christian.

      http://www.hotm.tv

    • dcmp10015

      There are many more differences than similarities between LDS and Christianity, and these differences are key. But to look at it from another angle, it is important to understand the foundations of the LDS religion. The LDS church was founded based on Christianity, and then very quickly Joseph Smith proclaimed it the only true faith on the earth, and that every other Church was apostate. In Matthew chapter 7, vs. 16 through 20, Jesus says that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Based on this, if all churches on the earth were apostate, and LDS was drawn from them, then based on the Scripture it holds up as its basis, it can’t be anything but apostate as well.
      Also key is the idea that LDS see Jesus as our Lord and Savior just as all of Christianity does. To view this belief we have to know who we are talking about. Christianity is based on Jesus the Christ who was and is Trinity, one of the Godhead, God made flesh. LDS believes Jesus was a spirit who existed along with every other person who has lived on earth, and who was chosen to represent God. He is not a member of the Trinity that is the Person of God to LDS. He is a separate being entirely. So the person we worship is not the same person at all. And that separates us into completely different faiths. To use a different example, Muslims worship Allah, which was one of many idols at the time Muhammed created that religion. He chose Allah, and went about destroying the rest of the idols. Allah is not God as viewed by another group of people. They are completely different entities with completely different beginnings.
      A third key difference is who God is. Christianity and Judaism knows God to be the Beginning and End, the only God in all existence, and the only author of all of creation. LDS views God as the only God OF THIS PLANET, but that there are countless other Gods throughout the cosmos. They see God, as Brigham Young, the second most revered prophet of their religion, stated, as “the only God with whom we have to do.” This makes it very easy for some LDS to say they have the same view on God’s individuality as the Christians. They may say, “He is the only one that is God to us, the other Gods are not our God. That’s what they all meant in the Old and New Testament.” Part of this belief is that God had a father also, and backward into infinity. And by that same notion, the church believes that each faithful LDS man will become a God of his own planet, of the same type as God Himself. Again, who we worship determines our faith.
      One more key difference to consider is the LDS use of the King James Bible as Scripture. They believe, as stated in their own Articles of Faith (which are basically the Constitution of their church, and defines who they are), that the Book of Mormon is absolutely the word of God, but that the King James Bible is the word of God AS LONG AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY. This is Article of Faith 8. It may seem to be a very minor issue, but it goes to the core of their system of belief. They see the Book of Mormon as infallible, but the King James Bible (the only acceptable version to them, by the way; there is more to that,) is susceptible to mistaken use. This elevates the Book of Mormon to number 1 postition of trustworthiness. We can refer back to my first stated difference, a bad tree bearing good fruit.

      These are only a few of the many differences that separate LDS from Christianity. But though all this, I very much value Glenn Beck, as well as his contributions to society. I do not doubt for a moment his faithfulness nor his desire to accomplish good. But I believe there is much more to the LDS system of belief that should be understood if it is being brought into the national spotlight.

      By the way, the information I am relaying wasn’t pulled off the internet, it was learned as a result of having been a member of the church for a short time (not as a ‘spy’ or anything like that, but as someone hoping it would be true for a time.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Deon-Rodden/100000776004889 Deon Rodden

      On that note, I too really do love and appreciate Glenn Beck and hold him in very high esteem as a moral leader of the world, as a patriot of patriots, as one who stands for what American forefathers stood for and for whom I stand with for America and for the world. Despite doctrinal differences I share with him. I love you bro. and pray for God’s best for you always.

      • http://twitter.com/CathyBAngel Cathy B. Angel

        You cannot “earn” your way to heaven, you cannot succeed by works, you can only accept or not accept the gift. http://PositionTechnical.blogspot.com

        • Jake

          In 1 Corinthians 15:40-42 it states that the resurrection of the dead varies in glory. Not that the ones of the lowest degree did not receive the first part or lowest degree of “heaven”, it’s that there are varying degrees of heaven relating to our actions on earth. Another thing you have to consider is that grace does cover it all. Yes, Christ paid for all of the sins of the world, but I’m going to relate this to piano lessons. If a mother pays for a child’s piano lessons in advance for the entire career of the child the child is not instantly made a perfect or even a good pianist. He has to practice and use that gift that was given to him to become a good pianist.
          If the child practices his fingers until he feels like they will fall off he will become great and receive the reward of being a great pianist… Grace works in a similar matter. The cost was paid, but we have to choose what to do with our lives. We have to choose whether or not to make a difference in others lives or to be caught up in our own self conceded goals and rituals. Choice is the key to grace, and the more we practice the better we become, hence receiving the greater reward. (Deuteronomy 30:19)

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.martinez.961 John Martinez

      Before you take this stance Check out Martins Kingdom of Cults available at Amazon.

    • dcmp10015

      There are many more differences than
      similarities between LDS and Christianity, and these differences are key. But
      to look at it from another angle, it is important to understand the foundations
      of the LDS religion. The LDS church was founded based on Christianity, and then
      very quickly Joseph Smith proclaimed it the only true faith on the earth, and
      that every other Church was apostate. In Matthew chapter 7, vs. 16 through 20,
      Jesus says that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Based on this, if all churches
      on the earth were apostate, and LDS was drawn from them, then based on the
      Scripture it holds up as its basis, it can’t be anything but apostate as well.

      Also key is the idea that LDS see Jesus as our
      Lord and Savior just as all of Christianity does. To view this belief we have
      to know who we are talking about. Christianity is based on Jesus the Christ who
      was and is Trinity, one of the Godhead, God made flesh. LDS believes Jesus was
      a spirit who existed along with every other person who has lived on earth, and
      who was chosen to represent God. He is not a member of the Trinity that is the
      Person of God to LDS. He is a separate being entirely. So the person we worship
      is not the same person at all. And that separates us into completely different
      faiths. To use a different example, Muslims worship Allah, which was one of
      many idols at the time Muhammed created that religion. He chose Allah, and went
      about destroying the rest of the idols. Allah is not God as viewed by another
      group of people. They are completely different entities with completely
      different beginnings.

      A third key difference is who God is.
      Christianity and Judaism knows God to be the Beginning and End, the only God in
      all existence, and the only author of all of creation. LDS views God as the
      only God OF THIS PLANET, but that there are countless other Gods throughout the
      cosmos. They see God, as Brigham Young, the second most revered prophet of
      their religion, stated, as “the only God with whom we have to do.”
      This makes it very easy for some LDS to say they have the same view on God’s
      individuality as the Christians. They may say, “He is the only one that is
      God to us, the other Gods are not our God. That’s what they all meant in the
      Old and New Testament.” Part of this belief is that God had a father also,
      and backward into infinity. And by that same notion, the church believes that
      each faithful LDS man will become a God of his own planet, of the same type as
      God Himself. Again, who we worship determines our faith.

      One more key difference to consider is the LDS
      use of the King James Bible as Scripture. They believe, as stated in their own
      Articles of Faith (which are basically the Constitution of their church, and
      defines who they are), that the Book of Mormon is absolutely the word of God, but
      that the King James Bible is the word of God AS LONG AS IT IS TRANSLATED
      CORRECTLY. This is Article of Faith 8. It may seem to be a very minor issue,
      but it goes to the core of their system of belief. They see the Book of Mormon
      as infallible, but the King James Bible (the only acceptable version to them,
      by the way; there is more to that,) is susceptible to mistaken use. This
      elevates the Book of Mormon to number 1 postition of trustworthiness. We can
      refer back to my first stated difference, a bad tree bearing good fruit.

      These are only a few of the many differences
      that separate LDS from Christianity. But though all this, I very much value
      Glenn Beck, as well as his contributions to society. I do not doubt for a
      moment his faithfulness nor his desire to accomplish good. But I believe there
      is much more to the LDS system of belief that should be understood if it is
      being brought into the national spotlight.

      By the way, the information I am relaying
      wasn’t pulled off the internet, it was learned as a result of having been a
      member of the church for a short time (not as a ‘spy’ or anything like that,
      but as someone hoping it would be true for a time.)

    • Anonymous

      Larry N –
      As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the ‘Mormons’) I thank you for your courage and integrity so abundantly clear in your post. God bless you and every other honest, humble person in the world. We need each other.
      Till we meet at the feet of the one, true Master.
      Dan Maloy
      Enid, OK

  • http://www.facebook.com/chantiel Chantiel Vance

    Glenn-Thank-you SO much for this show. As a fellow LDS member this was a welcome contrast to so many vicious and awful things that have been put out there the last couple of years. I watched a documentary on current tv (yes I know…) called The Mormon Candidate and I was so disheartened and felt so personally assaulted by the lies and misinformation about a faith I hold so dear that I had to try twice to watch it…and then I cried. 95% of the time was spent talking to disgruntled former members and about polygamy. That is not who we are! That is not who I am! You uplifted me and helped me remember why my ancestors fought for this and why I personally have gone down the path less traveled for what I believe. The garbage people think about us doesn’t matter; just what’s in our hearts.

  • Anonymous

    I’d be careful. Those garments may get much hotter in the future.

  • dimond

    Thanks Glenn! This was awesome! Well Done!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

    It was not the Spanish-American War, It was the Mexican-American War. If you want to know about history, ask an historian, not a talk show host. Bless Beck’s little heart, but this was a stupid mistake, as it was a pivital period in LDS history. If you need help, Brother Beck, all ya gotta do is ask!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rick.n.farnworth Rick Neal Farnworth

      hey …. spanish-american is accurate because mexico was inhabited by Spaniards (from spain)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

        Really? You want to go there? You are joking, right? Spain was effectively kicked out of Mexico by France before the aforementioned war, so why not call it the French-American War? Wars are usually defined by political boundries in the modern era, and not by the ethnic makeup of it’s inhabitants. Come on, rick! My masters in history was not fur nuttin’!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

        Really? You want to go there? You are joking, right? Spain was effectively kicked out of Mexico by France before the aforementioned war, so why not call it the French-American War? Wars are usually defined by political boundries in the modern era, and not by the ethnic makeup of it’s inhabitants. Come on, rick! My masters in history was not fur nuttin’!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rick.n.farnworth Rick Neal Farnworth

      hey …. spanish-american is accurate because mexico was inhabited by Spaniards (from spain)

  • http://www.facebook.com/travis.deem Travis Deem

    Glenn – you are clearly a decent guy and I do value what you have revealed to me about the state of modern politics. I also believe that you are sincere in your desire to know God. That being said I have to say that the differences between Biblical Christianity and LDS teachings are wide and irreconcilable. Also the historical claims of the LDS church and the known facts about the prehistory of the Americas are also wide and irreconcilable. The Jesus worshipped by LDS and that revealed by the Bible are not the same. I do not believe that because the LDS church is wrong about these things that the religion is wrong all the way through. The stress on family, honesty sobriety, watchfullness is very admirable, but of course these things are mainline Biblical teachings and are not peculiar to the LDS faith. Turn that keen mind towards analyzing the LDS church and you will see that they are not based in truth, but that the historical claims marketed by the founder are either a flight of fancy or an elaborate lie, one that has fallen apart in the light of modern archaeology and science. The good new is that all of the things that inspire you, lift you up, strengthen you are real and are found true Biblical Christianity. I have no doubt that you are in a relationship with God, but you need to filter out the deceptions of LDS and get to the real truth of the matter. God Bless.

    • Anonymous

      You are incredibly misinformed Travis. Archaeology confirms the stories in the Book of Mormon, not the other way around.

      The Jesus worshiped by the LDS church is the Jesus of the Bible. The difference in beliefs were introduced well after the Bible was written. Your Jesus was concocted in the Nicene Council 300 years after Christ when the political and cultural leaders of the day met together to “vote” on truth rather than praying to God to reveal it. As a result, they got it wrong and condemned good people for 1500+ years to an incorrect understanding of God’s.
      You will find nothing in LDS doctrine that is contradicted in the Bible itself. Only in certain people comprehension or understanding of the Bible. That their understanding is based on the ideas of Men, not on the Revelations of God.

      • http://www.facebook.com/travis.deem Travis Deem

        Mr. Opinion. Give me actual proof in favor of the historical claims made by the book of Mormon, there are none. Not only that but we know that there were no societies in the new world that had anything like the level of sophistication claimed by Mormonism. Also, the native Americans are of Asiatic descent, not middle eastern. They didn’t even have the wheel, which makes chariots a little tough to drive, not to mention the fact they had no horses. Take a page from Glenn and provide evidence in support of your statements. Mormonism fails its most basic test, that of historicity. The Mormon Prophet was either a nut or a con-man and did what so many of his age did, that is cast the people of the ancient near east in a middle-ages light, as was common with popular fiction and art. Either back up the historical claims with non-Mormon aligned studies or admit that there is no historical basis for Mormonism. If you still want to beleive that is your choice but it is a choice that has no anchor to reality.

        • Anonymous

          Look it up yourself. I’m not going to waste any more time looking up physical proof that won’t convince you anyway. We believe in God because of spritual confirmations, not because of intellect, and no amount of physical proof is enough for those of you who have already decided not to listen to the spiritual proof.

          But just for fun . . . do the “moundbuilders” ring a bell? They were more advanced than any of the contemporary native american tribes. Then you have a distinction between the Mississippian cultures and the earlier builders which is explained by the Nephite and prior Jaredite civilizations in the Book of Mormon. Also, Horses DID exist in north America and I can walk down the street from my house to the Natural History museum and see the fossilized skeletons of them dug up from sites in Wyoming. Descriptions of items from the Book of Mormon exactly describe mesoAmerican artifacts that are on display at several museums, including the British museum.

          The evidence is there. But it is not enough to convince of spiritual things just as miracles never convinced the wicked at Jesus’ time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/travis.deem Travis Deem

    Glenn – you are clearly a decent guy and I do value what you have revealed to me about the state of modern politics. I also believe that you are sincere in your desire to know God. That being said I have to say that the differences between Biblical Christianity and LDS teachings are wide and irreconcilable. Also the historical claims of the LDS church and the known facts about the prehistory of the Americas are also wide and irreconcilable. The Jesus worshipped by LDS and that revealed by the Bible are not the same. I do not believe that because the LDS church is wrong about these things that the religion is wrong all the way through. The stress on family, honesty sobriety, watchfullness is very admirable, but of course these things are mainline Biblical teachings and are not peculiar to the LDS faith. Turn that keen mind towards analyzing the LDS church and you will see that they are not based in truth, but that the historical claims marketed by the founder are either a flight of fancy or an elaborate lie, one that has fallen apart in the light of modern archaeology and science. The good new is that all of the things that inspire you, lift you up, strengthen you are real and are found true Biblical Christianity. I have no doubt that you are in a relationship with God, but you need to filter out the deceptions of LDS and get to the real truth of the matter. God Bless.

  • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

    What about your “other” Bible? Probably my biggest issue with LDS, and why the LDS cannot refer to themselves as Christians. Sure they do, so do Hindus, and Buddhists. Just saying it doesn’t make it true. The Bible alone is the scripture of Christianity. By what arrogance can 1 man write a book the size of the entire New Testament 2000 years later and claim credible equivalence? That is a problem for anyone who sincerely seeks their Creator. The One who was the same yesterday, today, and forever. Who knew the end from the beginning. He did not need 1 guy with magic glasses to append “another Testament”. Especially one that refers to a fictional historical account. Sure he can write a book, but not another Bible. The only other blatant 3rd person accounts of historical events in the Bible were the writings of Moses. After-which all 3rd person accounts (visions) were future, not past. Until Joey boy came along that is. Moroni? Seriously? Before he started the Church Joe was known as a drunkard and liar. The whole book reads like a story made up by a drunk guy. What I don’t mind suggesting is that anyone who would knock it should read it first. Then you can truly appreciate the absurdity and gullibility required to choose that over the Christian Bible. Of course they will say they have “equal” weight in feigned humility. How is it humility to claim to be equal to the Bible? How is it humility to claim to be equal to Christ? :::

    “God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam” (um Jesus?)

    What he was, was a malignant narcissist. I love most Mormons I meet, but will never accept that JS was anything more than a deceiving Charlatan. Just as with the Pharisees of old. Legalistically molding the outside has no value to the inside. Which is why I make a point to cuss now and then, to remind myself that all of my little routines have no bearing on the quality that God has put in my heart. What matters is inside and that can shine out of any container. Even a potty mouthed hick. Shit is shit isn’t it? So calling it what it is, don’t blush, that’s just your false conviction. Learn to hear the real One. The One that would cause you to be ready to go and do, all for the Glory of God, without hesitation, at a moments notice. Piety can burn in hell.

    • Dallin cervo

      So your saying Joseph was already known as a drunk at 14? That he thought up this amazing con and scheme at the age of 14? That he went through all these persecutions for nothing? It’s not “another Bible” It’s Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It talks nothing but Jesus Christ. That he is the Song of God that he came and died for our sins and that he rose again. It teaches that there is no other way nor any other name given except Jesus Christ that we can be saved. IT Teaches that Jesus is everything. The Bible doesn’t constitute you a Christian. Saying that it does would mean that everyone before the Bible came along wasnt a christian. There was no Bible at the time of Peter or John or any of the apostles. Were they christian? Of course they were. We still believe in the Bible we believe the Bible is the word of God.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Actually, it is true, before the first hand testimony of the life and death of Jesus there were no Christians. A matter of absolute fact. Just as before the testimony of Joe Smith there were no Mormons. Now there are, and they are disciples of Joe Smith, and not Jesus. A man cannot serve 2 masters.

        http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=358

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

          So, if I were to follow your logic, there is no need for any prophets? No Moses? No Noah? No Abraham? No, we revere Joseph Smith, we do not “follow” him, but Christ is the head of our faith and master of this church. The adversary is a grand illusionist, and has a mastery of word play, like you think you do. Your argument has no point. You parse words and decipher in the mental arena, but you have little depth in your spiritual point of view. Notice I didn’t say “no depth.” The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            “The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.” – Fascinating. You mean like Macaroni does at the end of da BoM? Or like Psychics and Mediums do? Probably just like the girl in Acts 16 too?

            Don’t you know Mark 13:22? That stuff only works on the weak minded. The funny thing about spiritual depth, is that it cannot be perceived by those who cannot swim. Mark 4:11-12

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            “The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.” – Fascinating. You mean like Macaroni does at the end of da BoM? Or like Psychics and Mediums do? Probably just like the girl in Acts 16 too?

            Don’t you know Mark 13:22? That stuff only works on the weak minded. The funny thing about spiritual depth, is that it cannot be perceived by those who cannot swim. Mark 4:11-12

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

          So, if I were to follow your logic, there is no need for any prophets? No Moses? No Noah? No Abraham? No, we revere Joseph Smith, we do not “follow” him, but Christ is the head of our faith and master of this church. The adversary is a grand illusionist, and has a mastery of word play, like you think you do. Your argument has no point. You parse words and decipher in the mental arena, but you have little depth in your spiritual point of view. Notice I didn’t say “no depth.” The fact that you are engaging us is testimony that the Spirit of God is nudging you to contemplate, even if it is not so perceivable as you could tell what it was and Who was doing it.

        • Anonymous

          Not true, there were a devout group of Christians more than 100 years before the coming of Christ. And while they lived and obeyed the Law of Moses, because that was the law of God in effect at the time, they looked forward to the coming of Christ. They knew his name. They knew he would be born near Jerusalem to a virgin named Mary. They knew he would be God’s son and that he would live a perfect life. They knew he would fulfill the law of Moses and became the perfect sacrificial lamb to take away the sins of the world and save all those who believe in him.

          These Christians were led by a prophet of God and had access to his truth via revelation, just as all the prophets throughout history have had. These people were Christians in word and deed because they exercised faith in Jesus Christ even before he came to the earth. And their story is found in the Book of Mormon. A book that has never been proven false by either theologian, historian, or scientist. A book that when used along side the Bible clarifies and strengthens God’s word.

          You continue to think yourself superior and feel confidence in your intelligence. I will put my trust in God and the love he has for all people. I will continue to listen to ALL his words, not just those that are recorded in one single volume.

          p.s. @ Jason Young. There comes a point when trying to argue with this type of person just brings contention. You know what you know, you know that your knowledge was confirmed to you by the Holy Ghost. So explain things as far as you can to people, and bear your testimony; but when they shut their ears and minds to truth there’s nothing more you can do. It’s simply a shame they think they’re covered with such a small percentage of God’s word.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Actually, it is true, before the first hand testimony of the life and death of Jesus there were no Christians. A matter of absolute fact. Just as before the testimony of Joe Smith there were no Mormons. Now there are, and they are disciples of Joe Smith, and not Jesus. A man cannot serve 2 masters.

        http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=358

      • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

        Dallin, he didnt go through them for nothing. He had supreme power and ingluence, with no accountability. He had relations with women the youngest being 15, thinking if he planted his seed they would be with him in the afterlife. The bible says to examine fruit, and they will reveal tgemselves. Joseph Smith was a wolf in wheels clothing

      • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

        Dallin, he didnt go through them for nothing. He had supreme power and ingluence, with no accountability. He had relations with women the youngest being 15, thinking if he planted his seed they would be with him in the afterlife. The bible says to examine fruit, and they will reveal tgemselves. Joseph Smith was a wolf in wheels clothing

        • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt
          • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

            lds.org
            mormon.org

        • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt
        • Anonymous

          There is absolutely no credible evidence of any such thing. Seriously, “exmormon.org” ? If you want to buy a Chevy, do you go as the guy at the Ford dealership about it? If you want to check out McDonalds menu, do you ask the cashier at Burger King?

          Don’t be so gullible as to believe vile rumors with no credible source. That’s just ignorant.

    • Dallin cervo

      So your saying Joseph was already known as a drunk at 14? That he thought up this amazing con and scheme at the age of 14? That he went through all these persecutions for nothing? It’s not “another Bible” It’s Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It talks nothing but Jesus Christ. That he is the Song of God that he came and died for our sins and that he rose again. It teaches that there is no other way nor any other name given except Jesus Christ that we can be saved. IT Teaches that Jesus is everything. The Bible doesn’t constitute you a Christian. Saying that it does would mean that everyone before the Bible came along wasnt a christian. There was no Bible at the time of Peter or John or any of the apostles. Were they christian? Of course they were. We still believe in the Bible we believe the Bible is the word of God.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

      Why do you declare that I cannot call myself a Christian? Are you the arbitor of such things? Do you have the required depth of knowledge and understanding of eternity to say absolutely that I am not a Christian? Just because you disagree with my faith does not mean you have the right nor OBLIGATION to pronounce that my faith is what you call it. Faith is HIGHLY personal and a sacred thing to the individual and their Creator, and I’ll leave the definition as to whether you, me, or anyone else is a Christian up to God, not to be defined by the words of any man, even if that man thinks he has a perfect knowledge of any part of scripture. It’s not up to you, it’s up to me as to what I am called in regards to God. If I am lying about my relationship with God the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, it is my soul that will suffer, not yours, if I am committing a great sin. I believe that I am not, and that is what is important, and your insults are mere thistle pricks compared to the happiness that my faith brings to me.

      How arrogant can you be? The only affect that can be expected with such a comment is that you wish to harm or offend me by such a declaration. Why? When you do this, you neither act as a true Christian nor do you honor the traditions and laws of this country regarding freedom of religion. It is very anti-Christ and unpatriotic for you to claim you are the decider that tells me that I am not a Christian.

      I will never say that you are NOT A CHRISTIAN, but by your fruits ye shall be known. When the practice of your beliefs does me no harm, I am perfectly content with letting you believe as you wish, and as long as me practicing my religion does you no harm, why must you persecute me for my faith? Please stop! In the sacred name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you will.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Amazing, so by your definition anyone who wants to call themselves a Christian can and should, and then if anyone tries to draw any line they are unpatriotic and anti-Christ?

        You are right, by our fruits we are known, but calling the fruits of legalism and whatever that you just did “good fruit” is shameful. However, fruit is not people pleasing. If it were Jesus would not have warned us about taking up our own “cross” or that the world would “hate us” … no, instead he warned that “many would come in my name” and said “do not follow them”. I believe Him, you apparently do not.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

          Again…who made you the judge of me? Have you never heard of “Judge not. lest ye be judged?” You have quite an ego there, CelSmack. Apparently you think everyone loves Mormons. We take up that “cross” willingly, and we are hated for it. You have no idea of the magnitude of that , because it is YOU that is doing the hating. What you are doing is shameful. If you had the love of Christ in your heart, you would realize the wrongness of this tirade, and stop, but you sit in judgment of me and all else, because of your sanctimonious point of view. No, it is you that is amazing and shameful all at the same time. And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace alone. No, my friend, we are saved by the grace of our Lord, faith in Him, and by doing His will on earth, and that is by doing good deeds and helping our fellow man. No, not alone will it save me, but without the acts, the grace and faith are meaningless. Without the faith, the acts are meaningless. By the hardness of your heart, you are being led by the adversary into oblivion. I pray you will wake in time to become as a child and submit to God’s will, instead of placing yourself in a place of importance, and in judgment of others that displease you or your point of view. I still love you and pray for you. Be happy and well.

          • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

            Christ Himself my friend. It’s not ego, it comes from reading the whole Bible instead of memorizing a verse taken out of context. Jason, slow down there buddy, you will rightfully be rebuked by your elders for your response here. Remember, your training young man.

            Any actual Christians reading this that like to read this looks interesting: http://www.bibleteacher.org/Judging.htm

            Particularly: We are to rightly judge the doctrinal teaching of
            preachers and teachers by God’s Word (Matthew
            7:15-20; Acts 17:10-11; 1 Corinthians 14:29; Titus 1:10-16; 3:10; Hebrews
            13:7; 1 John 4:1; Revelation 2:20-24). Peter and John both told
            the Jewish leaders to judge what they were saying to see if it was true
            or not according to God’s Word (Acts 4:19).
            Paul tells the Corinthians to judge what he was saying (1
            Corinthians 10:15).

            “Do not judge” is a favorite last word of people who have no other answer for their actions. Almost like the would prefer a population of people that entirely lack judgement. Which of course they do, because then they could lead them around like sheep, or I should say goats.

          • Anonymous

            Although I am LDS, I do have to agree with you. I hate it when people try to use Matthew 7 to shut you up. It’s impossible not to judge . . . every single decision anyone makes in this life is a judgement. The choice to believe in Jesus Christ is a judgement.

            Matthew 7 is a mis-translation that should read ”
            Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged: but judge righteous judgment.”

            On the other hand, while we do need to judge what is good and evil, you have no authority to decide what is in a man’s heart. And if someone believes in Jesus Christ as the son of God and savior of the world, then he is by definition a Christian. So it’s not up to you to say who is and isn’t, unless you profess to have God’s ability to see what is in a man’s heart.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

          Again…who made you the judge of me? Have you never heard of “Judge not. lest ye be judged?” You have quite an ego there, CelSmack. Apparently you think everyone loves Mormons. We take up that “cross” willingly, and we are hated for it. You have no idea of the magnitude of that , because it is YOU that is doing the hating. What you are doing is shameful. If you had the love of Christ in your heart, you would realize the wrongness of this tirade, and stop, but you sit in judgment of me and all else, because of your sanctimonious point of view. No, it is you that is amazing and shameful all at the same time. And about the fruits; you seem to think that we are saved by grace alone. No, my friend, we are saved by the grace of our Lord, faith in Him, and by doing His will on earth, and that is by doing good deeds and helping our fellow man. No, not alone will it save me, but without the acts, the grace and faith are meaningless. Without the faith, the acts are meaningless. By the hardness of your heart, you are being led by the adversary into oblivion. I pray you will wake in time to become as a child and submit to God’s will, instead of placing yourself in a place of importance, and in judgment of others that displease you or your point of view. I still love you and pray for you. Be happy and well.

        • Leah

          Honey, you can stand in a GARAGE, but that doesn’t make you a car!

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Amazing, so by your definition anyone who wants to call themselves a Christian can and should, and then if anyone tries to draw any line they are unpatriotic and anti-Christ?

        You are right, by our fruits we are known, but calling the fruits of legalism and whatever that you just did “good fruit” is shameful. However, fruit is not people pleasing. If it were Jesus would not have warned us about taking up our own “cross” or that the world would “hate us” … no, instead he warned that “many would come in my name” and said “do not follow them”. I believe Him, you apparently do not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

      Why do you declare that I cannot call myself a Christian? Are you the arbitor of such things? Do you have the required depth of knowledge and understanding of eternity to say absolutely that I am not a Christian? Just because you disagree with my faith does not mean you have the right nor OBLIGATION to pronounce that my faith is what you call it. Faith is HIGHLY personal and a sacred thing to the individual and their Creator, and I’ll leave the definition as to whether you, me, or anyone else is a Christian up to God, not to be defined by the words of any man, even if that man thinks he has a perfect knowledge of any part of scripture. It’s not up to you, it’s up to me as to what I am called in regards to God. If I am lying about my relationship with God the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, it is my soul that will suffer, not yours, if I am committing a great sin. I believe that I am not, and that is what is important, and your insults are mere thistle pricks compared to the happiness that my faith brings to me.

      How arrogant can you be? The only affect that can be expected with such a comment is that you wish to harm or offend me by such a declaration. Why? When you do this, you neither act as a true Christian nor do you honor the traditions and laws of this country regarding freedom of religion. It is very anti-Christ and unpatriotic for you to claim you are the decider that tells me that I am not a Christian.

      I will never say that you are NOT A CHRISTIAN, but by your fruits ye shall be known. When the practice of your beliefs does me no harm, I am perfectly content with letting you believe as you wish, and as long as me practicing my religion does you no harm, why must you persecute me for my faith? Please stop! In the sacred name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you will.

    • Erin

      Mormons do not necessarily place The Bible below the Book of Mormon. Also they are not claiming that it is another Bible, it is simply another testament of Jesus Christ. Is there anything they do or practice in their day to day lives that counteracts Christ’s teachings? All practicing Mormons that I know help their neighbors, read their scriptures, pray to God and accept that Christ is their savior and redeemer. While I don’t understand all that they do, I understand that they are good people with Christian beliefs.

      Matthew 7: 1-2
      Judge not, that ye be not judged.

      For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Read the rest of that scripture please. That is not a command, and is misinterpreted by almost anyone who reads their Bible one verse at a time.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Read the rest of that scripture please. That is not a command, and is misinterpreted by almost anyone who reads their Bible one verse at a time.

      • Leah

        Yes, they are good people, for the most part. They are hard working and very family oriented. But they do NOT have “Christian beliefs.” They have LDS beliefs.

    • Erin

      Mormons do not necessarily place The Bible below the Book of Mormon. Also they are not claiming that it is another Bible, it is simply another testament of Jesus Christ. Is there anything they do or practice in their day to day lives that counteracts Christ’s teachings? All practicing Mormons that I know help their neighbors, read their scriptures, pray to God and accept that Christ is their savior and redeemer. While I don’t understand all that they do, I understand that they are good people with Christian beliefs.

      Matthew 7: 1-2
      Judge not, that ye be not judged.

      For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elizabethastle Elizabeth Shofner Bentzel

      Amen…nicely put…there is only one writer of the Bible…it is clearly stated…do not add or subtract from this book as the Mormon faith has thru Joe…
      Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Ecclesiastics 3:14, Revelation 22:18- so if this is an additional book by some one led by Satan who knows the scriptures well…why didn’t the Mormon faith question it based on sound doctrine that they already had? Why didn’t they test it? I have no doubt Morman people are gracious, kind, and loving…but get the truth….he got a vision from the great deceiver to write a book, lead Christians away by slightly changing things enough so you would believe them to be true, and it worked…

    • http://www.facebook.com/elizabethastle Elizabeth Shofner Bentzel

      Amen…nicely put…there is only one writer of the Bible…it is clearly stated…do not add or subtract from this book as the Mormon faith has thru Joe…
      Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Ecclesiastics 3:14, Revelation 22:18- so if this is an additional book by some one led by Satan who knows the scriptures well…why didn’t the Mormon faith question it based on sound doctrine that they already had? Why didn’t they test it? I have no doubt Morman people are gracious, kind, and loving…but get the truth….he got a vision from the great deceiver to write a book, lead Christians away by slightly changing things enough so you would believe them to be true, and it worked…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000477831947 Kevin Jennison

        Who is the one writer of the Bible? Lets see, there is Abraham, Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul. Each and every book of the Bible were written as separate books. So when you bring up the Book of Revelation as saying do not add to or take away from this book, St. John was referring to the Book of Revelations and not the Bible.

        • Leah

          Revelation has no “s” … go back and read some more … and John most assuredly was speaking of the entirety of God’s Word, not just one book or chapter.

      • Anonymous

        Hahaha, I have to laugh every time people try to bring up Deut. 4:2 and Rev. 22:18 to “prove” that the Bible is the only word of God. How was the Bible written? Did a prophet just sit down and write the whole thing from Genesis down to Revelations all in one sitting? Of course not. It was written by dozens of inspired prophets over the course of thousands of years. The Pentateuch (or first 5 books of Moses) may be considered all part of one book as they were indeed written by one man, Moses. But the rest of them, especially the Gospels and epistles of the New Testament were all written at separate times, in separate scrolls. They weren’t combined into 1 volume until a thousand years after Christ.

        So how can you claim that those scriptures are talking about “the Bible” which didn’t exist at the time? If you use your logic, then the entire Bible except for the book of Revelations, or except for Deuteronomy must be thrown out as “adding” to the book.

        It’s obvious that these scriptures mean that we are not to add to the Doctrine of Christ or to the Gospel as laid out in Holy writ. And the Book of Mormon DOES NOT add to the gospel. It is simply another witness to the same Gospel teachings. And this second witness was not modified, sorted through, and changed by a thousand years of transcribing.

        How many sects exist that all claim to live by the truth in the Bible? Hundreds. Yet they all base their “truth” on the Bible. Obviously, there is some confusion as to what the Bible means and the doctrines found therein. So who are you to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, cannot bring forth additional scripture to back up and clarify what the Bible as given us?

        That is the role of the Book of Mormon; to join with the Bible in proving to the world that Jesus is the Christ and that his doctrine is the truth.

        • Leah

          Typical that you would laugh at God’s Word … but tragic too …

    • Donna

      I haven’t read the Book of Mormon, and I don’t plan to, but I agree that the Bible is the only inspired Word of God. I don’t doubt Glen Beck’s sincerity. I do hope and pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus, the living and divine only Son of God. He is part of the trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and has always existed. We cannot become gods. We can not save ourselves and we are all sinners. Only by trusting in Jesus who died on the cross for our sins, believing He is the only way to salvation, and having accepted Him as our Savior, can one be saved. We can’t earn it, we don’t deserve it. God provided a way for us because He loves us soooo much. Praise God. Believe Him, invite Him to be your LORD and Savior. Ask for forgiveness and confess you are a sinner and that you need His saving grace. He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice on the cross. He could have saved Himself, He did no wrong. He came to save us. His blood is powerful enough to wash away all of our sins.

    • Donna

      I haven’t read the Book of Mormon, and I don’t plan to, but I agree that the Bible is the only inspired Word of God. I don’t doubt Glen Beck’s sincerity. I do hope and pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus, the living and divine only Son of God. He is part of the trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and has always existed. We cannot become gods. We can not save ourselves and we are all sinners. Only by trusting in Jesus who died on the cross for our sins, believing He is the only way to salvation, and having accepted Him as our Savior, can one be saved. We can’t earn it, we don’t deserve it. God provided a way for us because He loves us soooo much. Praise God. Believe Him, invite Him to be your LORD and Savior. Ask for forgiveness and confess you are a sinner and that you need His saving grace. He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice on the cross. He could have saved Himself, He did no wrong. He came to save us. His blood is powerful enough to wash away all of our sins.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Donna, I implore you to never doubt yourself the truth of Mark 13:22. You do not need to be afraid of the words that deceive. If you do not know them you have no credibility. These guys will move on shortly, their franchise relies on the uninformed and unprotected minds. Perhaps God has not called you to discuss these things, and fair enough, but do not buy superstitions that give power to the devil. Satan has no authority over your mind. Even if you are reading da BoM as I like to call it. It has had a devastating effect, true. Drawing people away with hopes of an eternal game of Sim City instead of eternal fellowship with our Creator. However, who knows, perhaps simple and ambiguous “presence with God” would have never been enough for them anyway. As God truly is our creator, was not created. He is the Alpha and Omega. Jesus is His ONLY son, meaning that satan is NOT his “brother” … God is NOT a man that He should lie. Another deception of da BoM. Amen, God knew liars would come, and we have enough with the Bible alone to rebuke the deceiver.

        I suggest that you plan to read da BoM Donna. You will be amazed at how powerful the Spirit of God in you is… You will look forward to conversations with these kids on their 2 year missionary services. You will learn to get to the point quickly, before their training kicks in and they flee for the advice of an “elder”. God bless ‘em.

      • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

        Donna, I implore you to never doubt yourself the truth of Mark 13:22. You do not need to be afraid of the words that deceive. If you do not know them you have no credibility. These guys will move on shortly, their franchise relies on the uninformed and unprotected minds. Perhaps God has not called you to discuss these things, and fair enough, but do not buy superstitions that give power to the devil. Satan has no authority over your mind. Even if you are reading da BoM as I like to call it. It has had a devastating effect, true. Drawing people away with hopes of an eternal game of Sim City instead of eternal fellowship with our Creator. However, who knows, perhaps simple and ambiguous “presence with God” would have never been enough for them anyway. As God truly is our creator, was not created. He is the Alpha and Omega. Jesus is His ONLY son, meaning that satan is NOT his “brother” … God is NOT a man that He should lie. Another deception of da BoM. Amen, God knew liars would come, and we have enough with the Bible alone to rebuke the deceiver.

        I suggest that you plan to read da BoM Donna. You will be amazed at how powerful the Spirit of God in you is… You will look forward to conversations with these kids on their 2 year missionary services. You will learn to get to the point quickly, before their training kicks in and they flee for the advice of an “elder”. God bless ‘em.

      • Anonymous

        Well said. His work is finished. We can’t add to it. We only believe to accept what he has already done.

        • Leah

          Absolutely. And the last verse in Revelation warns about adding to or taking away from God’s Word.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000477831947 Kevin Jennison

        Having never read the Book of Mormon informs us that you do not know what Mormons believe. Stating that you “pray all Mormons will put their complete trust in Jesus” reaffirms that. Mormons accept Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of our Father in Heaven. The same Jesus who’s blood was shed for us, and was resurrected, as he suffered for our sins becoming the only true Savior. That by having faith in Jesus Christ we find salvation through Gods grace as Christ is the only way back to the Father. Maybe you should read the Book of Mormon, before telling us what we do not believe.

  • http://celebrity-smack.com Celebrity Smack

    What about your “other” Bible? Probably my biggest issue with LDS, and why the LDS cannot refer to themselves as Christians. Sure they do, so do Hindus, and Buddhists. Just saying it doesn’t make it true. The Bible alone is the scripture of Christianity. By what arrogance can 1 man write a book the size of the entire New Testament 2000 years later and claim credible equivalence? That is a problem for anyone who sincerely seeks their Creator. The One who was the same yesterday, today, and forever. Who knew the end from the beginning. He did not need 1 guy with magic glasses to append “another Testament”. Especially one that refers to a fictional historical account. Sure he can write a book, but not another Bible. The only other blatant 3rd person accounts of historical events in the Bible were the writings of Moses. After-which all 3rd person accounts (visions) were future, not past. Until Joey boy came along that is. Moroni? Seriously? Before he started the Church Joe was known as a drunkard and liar. The whole book reads like a story made up by a drunk guy. What I don’t mind suggesting is that anyone who would knock it should read it first. Then you can truly appreciate the absurdity and gullibility required to choose that over the Christian Bible. Of course they will say they have “equal” weight in feigned humility. How is it humility to claim to be equal to the Bible? How is it humility to claim to be equal to Christ? :::

    “God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam” (um Jesus?)

    What he was, was a malignant narcissist. I love most Mormons I meet, but will never accept that JS was anything more than a deceiving Charlatan. Just as with the Pharisees of old. Legalistically molding the outside has no value to the inside. Which is why I make a point to cuss now and then, to remind myself that all of my little routines have no bearing on the quality that God has put in my heart. What matters is inside and that can shine out of any container. Even a potty mouthed hick. Shit is shit isn’t it? So calling it what it is, don’t blush, that’s just your false conviction. Learn to hear the real One. The One that would cause you to be ready to go and do, all for the Glory of God, without hesitation, at a moments notice. Piety can burn in hell.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

    It’s pretty clear in scripture about marriage. That it is solely an Earthly institution
    Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. .

    • Anonymous

      That simply means that there can be no ordinances performed in the resurrection. Ordinances, such as Marriage and Baptism, belong to the earthly realm.
      The scripture in Matthew does not say marriage doesn’t exist in the resurrection, it says marriages are not performed there. Hence the need for temples to do proxy ordinances for those who did not have the opportunity to do them in this life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanwin Ryan Winterton

        Astute observation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      @facebook-1532314253:disqus – Mr_Opinion is right in his assertion about LDS doctrine: Marriages cannot be performed IN the resurrection. They must be done here. Also, you need to remember that those who posed that question to Jesus did NOT believe in the literal Resurrection of the body. It was another attempt to fool Jesus in their question.
      Something to really keep in mind about scriptural “evidence” of eternal marriage and God’s ordination of it is the story of Job.After Job’s trials, he got back double of EVERYTHING…. except he got back the same number of children…??? when viewed from a mortal, earthly perspective, it doesn’t make sense…..When viewed from a perspective of “eternal families” it is evident: he actually did get double the children. He still had the ones that died… they will be his in the afterlife.Marriage & Family are eternal!

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

    It’s pretty clear in scripture about marriage. That it is solely an Earthly institution
    Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. .

  • David C

    question for mormons: are you a good person?

    • Marc Call

      I’d like to think so, are you?

    • Marc Call

      I’d like to think so, are you?

    • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

      The bible says no one is good but the Father. Romans 3 says no one seeks God, and no one is good. So the honest answer is no. That’s why Jesus came to die.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brian.burkhardt.90 Brian Burkhardt

      The bible says no one is good but the Father. Romans 3 says no one seeks God, and no one is good. So the honest answer is no. That’s why Jesus came to die.

      • Anonymous

        The way the Bible uses “good” and the way modern language uses good are 2 very different things. Of course none of us are “perfect” (which would have been a better translation) and we therefore need Jesus Christ. But doing good is a very real goal for anyone who claims to want to follow Christ’s example.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.d.madsen Michael D. Madsen

      I try every day, to be the best I can be. I’m not perfect, but I strive for perfection in all that I do. This country was founded upon Freedom of Religion. Why are there so many haters?

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      I try to be good…. but
      Pobody’s Nerfect.
      But it is a commandment to “be ye therefore perfect” from Jesus, right? so, I guess I need to try.

  • David C

    question for mormons: are you a good person?

  • David Johnson

    I have always believed that Mormons know God and love God. They are some of the most moral people I know. The problem that I have with the faith is that they believe in the WORKS that they do getting them to heaven. Also…. the biggest difference between Christians and Mormons is one thing… The Book of Mormon. This book does not mention Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross and the work of Grace that was done at the Cross.
    Gal. 1:8
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you(Jesus Christ and Him crucified), let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    An angel appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him the Book of Mormon.
    It is by the Jesus death and resurrection that we are saved and we are able to know the Father. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and there is know way to the Father except by me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.hoskin.3 Christopher Hoskin

      The Book of Mormon mentions Christ by name and his divinity 476 times, almost once per page.
      2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God: for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”

      The angel that appeared to Joseph Smith taught absolutely nothing but the pure gospel of Jesus Christ that was lost after the death of his apostles and the loss of truth during the dark ages.

      I wholeheartedly agree that there is “no other way to the Father or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ.” Alma 38:9

    • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.hoskin.3 Christopher Hoskin

      The Book of Mormon mentions Christ by name and his divinity 476 times, almost once per page.
      2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God: for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”

      The angel that appeared to Joseph Smith taught absolutely nothing but the pure gospel of Jesus Christ that was lost after the death of his apostles and the loss of truth during the dark ages.

      I wholeheartedly agree that there is “no other way to the Father or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ.” Alma 38:9

      • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.conners Spencer Conners

        This is true.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chantiel Chantiel Vance

      Oh my…I must respectfully and most fervently disagree.

      Mosiah 14:5
      But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

      Alma 21:9
      Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.

      These are two of hundreds that reference Christ and of close to as many that speak of his death and sacrifice, resurrection, and Glory. All you have to do is look in the index at the back of the B of M and there is page after page of scriptures listed that are on Christ and any topic you can imagine that has to do with him. They also list similar scriptures in the bible where you can find the same information…it is all cross referenced. I invite you to get a free copy, not to convert you, but just so you can see that we truly are a Christ centered faith. It is also available to read or listen to online…you can even put in topics and it will find the scriptures for you. http://mormon.org/free-book-of-mormon/ Not only have I read hours worth of scriptures studying about how amazing and selfless our savior was/is, I have also sat through discussions every Sunday in almost every meeting learning and pondering more. Every tenet of our faith connects back to him…he is our cornerstone.

      • Nueman

        http://bible.cc/isaiah/53-5.htm Almost word for word quote.

        • Leah

          That’s because Joseph Smith PLAGIARIZED it! Mormons think that’s ok and that he did it because he loved that chapter so much. But he CLAIMED it was HIS writing! Ugh …

          • http://www.facebook.com/ryanwin Ryan Winterton

            If you had read the Book of Mormon instead of throwing out blind accusations, you would know that it begins in 600 BC, and that much of the words and teachings found in the old testament were already accessible to the Jews. These scriptures were cherished and brought with the people of the Book of Mormon on their journey. It is no different than when Isaiah is quoted by prophets in the New Testament.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chantiel Chantiel Vance

      Oh my…I must respectfully and most fervently disagree.

      Mosiah 14:5
      But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

      Alma 21:9
      Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.

      These are two of hundreds that reference Christ and of close to as many that speak of his death and sacrifice, resurrection, and Glory. All you have to do is look in the index at the back of the B of M and there is page after page of scriptures listed that are on Christ and any topic you can imagine that has to do with him. They also list similar scriptures in the bible where you can find the same information…it is all cross referenced. I invite you to get a free copy, not to convert you, but just so you can see that we truly are a Christ centered faith. It is also available to read or listen to online…you can even put in topics and it will find the scriptures for you. http://mormon.org/free-book-of-mormon/ Not only have I read hours worth of scriptures studying about how amazing and selfless our savior was/is, I have also sat through discussions every Sunday in almost every meeting learning and pondering more. Every tenet of our faith connects back to him…he is our cornerstone.

    • R McMillan

      Second Nephi 25: 12 But, behold, they shall have awars, and rumors of wars; and when the day cometh that the bOnly Begotten of the Father, yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall cmanifest
      himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because
      of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness
      of their necks.
      13 Behold, they will acrucify him; and after he is laid in a bsepulchre for the space of cthree days he shall drise
      from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall
      believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my
      soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have eseen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.

      Actually, there is more of Christ in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible, and the sufferings and death which Christ suffers on behalf of those who will believe on His name is plain and pure to the understanding.

    • R McMillan

      Second Nephi 25: 12 But, behold, they shall have awars, and rumors of wars; and when the day cometh that the bOnly Begotten of the Father, yea, even the Father of heaven and of earth, shall cmanifest
      himself unto them in the flesh, behold, they will reject him, because
      of their iniquities, and the hardness of their hearts, and the stiffness
      of their necks.
      13 Behold, they will acrucify him; and after he is laid in a bsepulchre for the space of cthree days he shall drise
      from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall
      believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my
      soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have eseen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.

      Actually, there is more of Christ in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible, and the sufferings and death which Christ suffers on behalf of those who will believe on His name is plain and pure to the understanding.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Tactikiller Dane Anderson

        Exactly, that’s why David Johnson, the Book of Mormon has text below the title that says “ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST”. The whole thing is about Chris and more of his teachings.

        • Leah

          2 Corinthians 11:4

          For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

      • Leah

        There might be, but the Christ spoken of in the Book of Mormon is NOT the Messiah, he’s a counterfeit!

        • R McMillan

          So you go from saying there is no mention of the Crucifiction (which I clearly pointed out there was) to say the Christ of the Book of Mormon is not the Messiah, even though those scriptures clearly state He is. Which one is it? It would make it easier for all of us if you simply say you are not interested in knowing the difference.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000477831947 Kevin Jennison

      Read James 2;17-18 it explains how Faith and works go hand in hand.

      • Leah

        Yes, they do, but faith comes FIRST. And faith in “another gospel” or a Messiah who is a created being, is NOT a faith that will lead to eternity with God!

    • Deb Starks

      It seems that you haven’t read the Book of Mormon which has Christ’s Atonement as THE message. Even the title of the book is: THE BOOK OF MORMON ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST.
      I’m happy that you do believe that Mormons know and love God. The Book of Mormon along with other sacred scripture like the Bible teaches all who God is and what we are to DO to show we love God and His son, Jesus Christ.

      • Anonymous

        Amen

      • Leah

        The Bible WARNS believers to REBUKE anyone who comes to them with “another gospel”! Mormonism is “another gospel” and it’s a lie right out of the pit! Satan is the great counterfeiter and he has created another gospel for the dear Mormons and they’ve bought into it. I love the Mormon people DEARLY because my wonderful sister bought into that religion. I still love her, but she has had one health disaster after another since she joined that church.

    • http://www.facebook.com/leaann.perkins.7 Lea Ann Perkins

      I think everyone cleared up the misunderstanding of the Book of Mormon and it’s reference to Christ, so I would like to address your comment about how we believe in WORKS. We are not so arrogant as to believe that we can save ourselves by the works that we do in this life here on earth. We know that it is ONLY through the GRACE of God that we are saved after all that we can DO. Because without His grace, despite all of our good works, we are still imperfect beings and would not be worthy to enter the Father’s presence without it. But we do believe that we have to show the Lord that we are serious about our devotion to Him through our works. We can’t just say “I believe” and be saved. We have to show Him through our ACTIONS that we believe and that we will live our lives the best that we can, striving to live up to His commandments.
      James 2
      14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
      17. Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone.
      18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
      20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
      21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
      22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
      24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
      26. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

      This is what we believe about works. Don’t all Christians believe the same? It is in the Bible. We can’t just say we believe in Jesus Christ, we have to have the works to be justified in our faith. We know and believe that it is because of the grace of God that we are saved, but only after we have done all that we could. Why should God save someone who doesn’t show their devotion, their faith through their works? Would it be right for someone who spoke in the name of Christ, saying that they were His disciple and yet went about doing harm to his fellow man, lying, cheating, committing adultery, etc. (referring to someone who is unpenitant) be put in the same heaven as someone who lived their life faithful and devoted to the Lord doing good works? We must do more than say we follow Christ, we must actually DO so.
      Isaiah 29: 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me…

    • http://www.facebook.com/sahaptan Randy Thompson

      The Book of Mormon does mention Jesus Christ and does so all through it! Please, know the facts before posting your own theories or, to put it ot there straight to you, your own ignorance! Thank you!

    • Paula Robinson

      The Bible states, “faith without works is dead”. That is what we do. We try to emulate Christ.

    • DF

      The Book of Mormon mentions Jesus Christ on almost every page. It is another testament of Jesus Christ and stands as a second witness to the Bible of Him.
      Here as just a few examples of verses in the Book of Mormon:

      “Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
      And now, behold..this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost…” 2 Nephi 31:20-21

      “…feast upon the words of Christ; for behold the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.” 2 Nephi 32:3

      “For, for this intent have we written these things, that they may know that we know of Christ, and we had a hope of his glory many hundred years before his coming; and not only we ourselves had a hope of his glory, but also all the holy prophets which were before us.” Jacob 4:4

      “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” 2 Nephi 25:26

      That is just a few examples. There are so many references to Christ in the Book of Mormon and I know that it is the word of God.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sharon.marsoun Sharon Hudson Marsoun

      The Book of Mormon is FULL of prophecies of how the Savior would be born, and would take upon Him the sins of the world, would be crucified, resurrected, and would redeem mankind. The Book of Mormon tells that at the time of the Savior’s crucifixion in Jerusalem, there were terrible earthquakes among the inhabitants in the land of the Americas, and a terrible darkness upon the face of the earth, which did not lift until Christ was resurrected. After Christ’s resurrection, He came to visit his “other sheep” as he told those in Jerusalem He would do. Such a beautiful story! Seriously, why don’t you read the Book of Mormon to find out for yourself, instead of believing the mistruths that you have been told? If you love your Savior, why would you not want to read more about Him, about what actually happened?

      • Dona S Jones

        Very well said Sharon!

      • Leah

        Yeah … like the one where it claims He would be born in Jerusalem … uh huh …

    • Lynn Lee

      This is the perfect example of how wrong people can be about the LDS religion. I wonder where David was told that The Book of Mormon doesn’t teach about Jesus Christ. Anyone who spends any time at all actually reading out of that book will see how utterly false that is. David – don’t let ignorance continue to blind you. Find out for yourself. Read it!
      And of course Faith in Christ is the first principle of the gospel. But God does not want us to just sit around and contemplate on our faith. He expects us to do his will and serve him. His 12 apostles weren’t sent home to continue their previous lives, but they were sent out to put their faith into action. For us our faith is deep and sacred. The works we do aren’t about getting into heaven, but about putting our faith to work serving God. as it says in James in the New Testement:
      Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone.
      Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      @disqus_cJIfar53QO:disqus

      You have been taught falsely regarding the LDS Faith.The Book of Mormon CLEARLY teaches about the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. See other replies below. (ignore the letters placed before some words, as they are foot notes).
      Joseph Smith was just a prophet that restored missing and misunderstood truths.

      Joseph Smith taught Jesus Christ and his suffering on the cross for our personal sins. Please research for yourself, and not take others’ words for it.

  • David Johnson

    I have always believed that Mormons know God and love God. They are some of the most moral people I know. The problem that I have with the faith is that they believe in the WORKS that they do getting them to heaven. Also…. the biggest difference between Christians and Mormons is one thing… The Book of Mormon. This book does not mention Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross and the work of Grace that was done at the Cross.
    Gal. 1:8
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you(Jesus Christ and Him crucified), let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    An angel appeared to Joseph Smith and gave him the Book of Mormon.
    It is by the Jesus death and resurrection that we are saved and we are able to know the Father. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and there is know way to the Father except by me.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn I already posted that I have NEVER met a Mormon who was not a stand up person, with traditional values, great work ethic and love of God and family. I don’t understand all of your beliefs but they are between you and God. I am delighted that I will be voting for a Mormon as President of the United States. This is a GOOD thing!

    • http://twitter.com/debwards1 Deb Naatjes

      What a great attitude! As a Mormon that is how I feel when I vote for a president with great values, his particular brand of religion is not important.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joan.lussier.9 Joan Lussier

        I agree! I do not belong to any church. I did do my research about
        mormons. I do not care about Mr. Romney’s religion. I think he is good
        man. The more I know about him, the more I like him. I voted for him
        in 2008 and will surely do it again. Through out the primary season and
        current months, I have read more bigoted comments about his religion
        and mostly from liberals. I find it disgusting.

    • Leah

      Have you ever lived in Salt Lake City?? I have. And I was taken advantage of by every Mormon employer I had (4) because they knew I was a Christian and not part of their elitist society.

      • Anonymous

        If those members treated you badly, I am sorry. What they did was against the teachings of the Church and they should have known better.

        • Leah

          Perhaps, but it was very common and still is, according to my Christian friends who still live there. It just isn’t spoken of very often. My husband and I got death threats on the phone and our RV vandalized because our neighbors knew we went to a different church than they did. (and yes, the perpetrators were caught)

          • Anonymous

            And you know these were Mormons and that they harassed you because you were not a Morman? I am sorry but this does not sound very credible at all. In addition to living in SLC, two of my aunts converted so I encountered their Mormon friends all the time. What I saw were a bunch of very nice people who came in when my aunt was ill and took care of her.

          • Anonymous

            There’s no ‘perhaps’ about it and it’s good the people harassing you had to answer for what they did. No one should be harassed because of their faith. That kind of behavior is absolutely opposite to the teachings of the Church.

          • tony

            And especially so with Mormons, who to this day (18 percent won’t vote for someone because he is one) are persecuted.

          • tony

            Sorry — don’t buy this at all. I have never, never seen this kind of behavior by an organizated group of Mormons. If it’s some stupid kids in the neighborhood, and they were caught and punished, great. But it’s foolhardy to label an entire religion based the actions of a few idiots. From your description, it sounds like the Mormons there were huddled in their tents, papers spread out and targeting residents who were non-LDS for mischief. come on. Really?

          • Leah

            It doesn’t matter whether you “buy” it or not, tony. I spoke the truth of what happened. Your belief or disbelief doesn’t change it. Be well. :-)

          • tony

            don’t mean to question here, but i’ve seen way too many, for whatever reason, bogus stories about mean Mormons all over Utah and Idaho who shun outsiders or give them grief. In many instances, we stick to our own because we have common interests and beliefs. It has nothing to do with shunning someone. I can only speak from my experiences outside of the area where Mormons are not the norm, but i’ve never thought about staying away from anyone because they didn’t show any interest in my faith. I don’t have time to think about that.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who behaves this way certainly would not be living their religion., I have been a Mormon for 47 years and have NEVER heard of anyone treating another that way because they weren’t Mormons.. It certainly isn’t something we learn in church.

          • Brad Winterton

            And I hope they were prosecuted, Mormon or not. I’ve lived in UT and all over the world. I’ve only run into discrimination once. It was from a community of church goers who didn’t like that I was a Mormon. It happens, sorry it happens.

        • tony

          I am also sorry for your bad experiences. But you know, I’ve worked for many employers around the world and i didn’t judge their religions based on how they treated me in the workplace. Sure, it reflects poorly when someone doesn’t live what they preach, but really…judge 14 million people on the actions of four people you’ve known?

      • Anonymous

        Yes I lived in SLC for three years. Mormons were kind, welcoming and inclusive. I think you must have encountered some folks who didn’t live their values.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.bennett.3720 Jake Bennett

        I am Mormon and did a construction job for a fellow Mormon one time. He was a member of my ward bishopric. The guy then cheated me out of the money I deserved for doing his job. That was almost 7 years ago. To this day, if I see him, I would still harbor thoughts of hurting him. He really hurt my family when he did that. But I know this doesn’t portray all members of the Church. I am married to an amazing woman, and have an amazing ward where we are located now. There are always exceptions to the rule. Not everyone is a stand-up member of society. It wouldn’t have mattered what religion this guy was. He was a liar and a cheater. But I didn’t let him ruin my perception of all Mormons or other people. I just learned to be much more careful in my business practices with everyone after that.

    • Anonymous

      This has been my experience as well. My wife was in medical school studying for boards and it’s common to find a study partner. She picked someone that lived near us. It was a few weeks before it came up that he was LDS. Not knowing much about the church, and not being religious, we just ‘asked’.. With all the usual caveats about stereotypes.. You’d be hard pressed to find a better group that represents what the ‘right’ means about family values than them. Self reliance? Check.. Hand up, not hand out? Check.. “Hard Sell” on ‘Join Us.. or burn forever..” NOPE… They aren’t much into the whole burning thing and for the 10 years we’ve known them, they have never, ever, tried to pitch the religion to us.. They are just “our friends”

      When my daughter went to college near where they live, guess where she went for a weekly home cooked meal..

      You know.. they were into ‘prepping’ long before it was a TV show and something crazy Tea Party people do.. (typed with a smile)

      • Brad Winterton

        I like the smile, thanks! sMILE.

    • Croc Adile

      How is voting for someone who has a created being as their god and a religion born out of the lust of the flesh (polygamy) and adds to Scripture teachings that are contrary to them a good thing? That’s Obama, Clinton, Bush etc.

      Please read Romans 1:18 till the end and you will see we are “one nation under God’s wrath”, the wrath of abandonment. Personally, I am voting for the only man that has a proven record of success and a true Christian by looking at the man’s life and that is Herman Cain. If you believe the news media concerning the 2 years out of many when he worked around that service union, then you are not thinking.

      The choice between Romney and Obama is the lessor of two evils.

      • Brad Winterton

        Croc, I am sorry you feel that way. Polygamy has not been a part of the church for many, many years. And if a member is caught practicing it, they are excommunicated. Please read Glenn’s above information regarding polygamy and the reason for it. After many of our members had been killed, leaving thousands of women and children without a bread winner, polygamy was instituted to help these families. Less that 5% of the church practiced polygamy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.bennett.3720 Jake Bennett

        I understand what you are saying, but by voting for someone not even on the ballot, you are only hurting the country. Ron Paul did that and that is part of why we are where we are today. 4 years ago, so many people insisted on voting for him, it split the conservative vote too much, and the dems only had Obama. I personally hate it when people insist on wasting their vote like this. I’m not going to argue about you misdirected views of the LDS church. If you know how to search in the Bible, you can find that the views you are claiming are contrary to the scriptures are actually dictated as biblical commandments from God.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn I already posted that I have NEVER met a Mormon who was not a stand up person, with traditional values, great work ethic and love of God and family. I don’t understand all of your beliefs but they are between you and God. I am delighted that I will be voting for a Mormon as President of the United States. This is a GOOD thing!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wano.nymous.3 Wano Nymous

    Why doesn’t he talk about the real issue? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that Joseph Smith was a con man? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that the book of Abraham is a complete fraud and the real translation was just ordinary funeral texts and says nothing even close to what is found in the book of Abraham. The Book of Mormon is pure fiction. Talk to me about that Glen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

      You mean the book of Breathings, and the Hypocephalus? Or the fact that you believe that the Book of Mormon is pure Fiction? Have you ever read the Book of Mormon and compared it to the news you get everyday?

      How come you won’t do your own research? Have you ever questioned the assertion that Joseph Smith was a con man? Or do you just blindly believe what your professor said? Are you so blind that you won’t apply the Scientific Method to your pastors’ claims? Be skeptical and investigate the full truth of the matter. Test your pastors’ claims for yourself as a Scientist would.

    • Anonymous

      Joseph Smith a con man? . . . Ok, what proof do you have of that? Wouldn’t a con man be more likely to steal everyone’s money than to give his life for his testimony of God and die a poor man?
      The book of Abraham . . . . so I assume you found the originals somewhere and translated them yourself? As of today, there are fragments of Dead Sea Scrolls that contain portions of the Book of Abraham, and the modern translations are very close to that Joseph translated. But a complete original doesn’t exist. So this claim of yours is just ludicrous.
      The Book of Mormon being fiction? What single portion of it do you have definitive proof that it is false? Answer, none. Anti-mormons, intellectuals, atheists, and other faiths have been trying to prove it false for years, but no one has ever done so. So good luck with that.

      In short, your entire post is your own opinion mixed with “sour grapes”. Why even waste your time? You really think such an incomplete rant will do anything except maybe make you feel better about yourself by tearing something else down? Well, have fun with that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      @facebook-598809554:disqus
      Your arguments are those used over and over and over. Plenty of people smarter than us have addressed these all over the internet. I don’t think anything we have to say will change your mind. You actually sound like you may be a product of the Tanners’ brigade.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wano.nymous.3 Wano Nymous

    Why doesn’t he talk about the real issue? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that Joseph Smith was a con man? Why doesn’t he talk about the fact that the book of Abraham is a complete fraud and the real translation was just ordinary funeral texts and says nothing even close to what is found in the book of Abraham. The Book of Mormon is pure fiction. Talk to me about that Glen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wano.nymous.3 Wano Nymous

    All Mormons are stupid.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

      Welcome to the conversaton. You are loved regardless of your vile remarks. God loves you…and I’m working on it. Nobody’s perfect!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Young/100000391441118 Jason Young

      Welcome to the conversaton. You are loved regardless of your vile remarks. God loves you…and I’m working on it. Nobody’s perfect!

    • Anonymous

      Now there is an intelligent comment *eyeroll*

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      @facebook-598809554:disqus
      You are a genius! So intelligently spoken! and so glad you had the courage to be identified :-)
      Pobody’s Nerfect!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wano.nymous.3 Wano Nymous

    All Mormons are stupid.

  • mwjii

    Glenn just wanted to say thanks for this show last night. I know it was hard to do but satisfying as well.

  • mwjii

    Glenn just wanted to say thanks for this show last night. I know it was hard to do but satisfying as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1315851094 MaryBeth Kirk Nickles

    Glenn, I have friends that are Mormon (LDS). They are some of the nicest most gracious people I know. I didn’t know that you were of the Mormon Faith. I would never have guessed, but I typically don’t judge people by what they believe or their Faith. I am a Catholic, and I think that people misjudge your faith. It’s sad. I love how you explain to us that are so unaware. THANKS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1315851094 MaryBeth Kirk Nickles

    Glenn, I have friends that are Mormon (LDS). They are some of the nicest most gracious people I know. I didn’t know that you were of the Mormon Faith. I would never have guessed, but I typically don’t judge people by what they believe or their Faith. I am a Catholic, and I think that people misjudge your faith. It’s sad. I love how you explain to us that are so unaware. THANKS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

    Glenn, I love you so much but please please send some time looking at what the bible says and look at what the mormon church is teaching. It boils down to who do you say Jesus Christ is and what is His purpose. You are so so smart and have done more for this country than anyone has since Ronald Regan. Please start searching.

    • Anonymous

      Dawn, I’ve heard Glenn’s conversion story. He probably put more research into the Mormon church than he has into any other thing. It isn’t as though he joined on a whim. Believe me, when joining a certain religion causes your friends and family to suspect that you are brainwashed, an idiot, or just insane; when you have to be willing to give up your coffee and alcohol, Sunday shopping and recreation, and spend a MINIMUM of 3 hours in church each week; and when joining that church means that you are expected to carry some responsibility for the temporal and spiritual welfare of your fellow congregants and that you are commanded to pay 10% of your salary to the church……when you know that, then you do some research. And if you’re Beck, you do a ton of research.
      Give the man some credit. This is Glenn Beck. He’s hardly an “I’ll take your word for it” kind of guy.
      For the record, though I grew up Christian, being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has instilled in me a love for and understanding of the Old and New Testaments that I never had had previously. It has filled me with a desire to know the Savior and to live as he did and do what he taught.
      Go to lds.org. Research first-hand the Church’s teachings on whatever you think is contrary to the biblical teachings of or about Christ. I’ll bet you’ll be surprised.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jason.schlenz Jason Schlenz

      @facebook-1600160156:disqus apparently, you haven’t listened to Glenn’s words when he talks about Christ, his salvation story and his gratitude for Jesus Christ. Pastparticiple is right on. check out lds.org our Sunday School manuals and scriptures are there to be seen by everyone. Our teachings are right there in the open.
      As for your good words towards Glenn: “by their fruits ye shall know them.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/dawndeedee.roper Dawn DeeDee Roper

    Glenn, I love you so much but please please send some time looking at what the bible says and look at what the mormon church is teaching. It boils down to who do you say Jesus Christ is and what is His purpose. You are so so smart and have done more for this country than anyone has since Ronald Regan. Please start searching.

  • PR

    I’m not to say whether any specific Mormon is “saved” and am surely not judging. The main issues I have a problem with would be the works based salvation, the belief that Jesus dying on the cross is NOT enough to get you into heaven (works), etc.

    • Anonymous

      We have the Bible for a reason. If accepting that Christ’s sacrifice will cover all sin and it matters not what we do then why should we learn from Him, follow his teachings, keep any commandment? Of course, some religions don’t study scripture much, do they? Some don’t emphasize the commandments or teach from the Old and New testaments. Or they are very particular about being politically correct. Or preaching just the things they want.
      Yet it (scripture) still exists. Some say that in order to be “saved” all one must do is believe in Jesus, yet after his baptism Christ himself said, “If a man be not born of water (baptism) and of the spirit (confirmation of the Holy Ghost)……,he can in no wise enter into Heaven.” Much Christian truth was lost in the dark ages and with so many different translations of what we know as the Holy Bible, defining truth is still left to elected religious leaders, or individual “ministers” or personal interpretation. So how do we know who is correct? Did God intend for his children to rely on some kind of collective or disparate interpretations of the Bible, without any authoritative voice?Or has He in the past set apart one or more mouthpieces?Hint;When Jesus was on the earth, He spoke for himself. He also had apostles and a prophet they called John the Baptist. What about in the Old Testament times? Who spoke for the Lord then?
      Since our doctrines all differ one from another, there is either one true religion or we’re all wrong together.
      I happen to be convinced that mine is the true religion. That it is lead by Jesus Christ himself through a prophet and apostles.
      But if you are convinced that yours is the true religion, I respect your right to believe what you wish. That is the beauty of this nation- FREEDOM and respect for individual religious liberty.
      As long as your faith inspires you to good to your neighbors and live a good life, it contains truth and the word of God. An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chamberlainleadership Chuck Chamberlain

      PR, as a Mormon, I can only say that we DO believe in the power of Jesus dying on the cross to save us. There are two deaths that His loving sacrifice saved us from- 1) physical death (we believe ALL will be resurrected to a glorified, physical body that will never taste of death again. This applies to the wicked and to the righteous), and 2) spiritual death, or separation from our Father. Saving us from spiritual death is an atoning act of grace that does all the heavy lifting for us. And all we have to do is activate that atonement in our lives. It has to be a choice. God would not force anyone to activate the atonement. It’s a bit like entering an elevator and pushing a button for the penthouse. All we do is activate the massive machinery of the elevator to physicaly lift us up to the top floor. This massive machinery is like the grace of God, and our simple little button pushing is like all the great works we could possibly do. It’s really nothing in comparison, but it tells God, “I’m accessing the “spiritual death” part of the atonement. Now I’m going to admit that sometimes memebers of the Mormon faith get carried away, thinking their little button pushing is actually doing the work. That is not the case, and is not supported by scripture or by the teachings and doctrines of the church.

      • PR

        (we believe ALL will be resurrected to a glorified, physical body that will never taste of death again. This applies to the wicked and to the righteous)…but you do agree this “glorified physical body” for some will burn in hell?

    • Anonymous

      That’s not the way we understand the doctrine. Of course Christ’s atonement and “grace” is the only way to salvation and is sufficient for all men. But does he give the gift of Grace to all indiscriminately No, that would be stupid. Then any idiot could go do exactly what he pleases his whole life, ignoring God, doing no good and then with his last breath say “Oh, I believe in Jesus, save me”.
      From everything we read about Jesus’s life, is this the kind of thing he would do? He hated hypocrites and workers of evil. He is not going to give his Grace to them for free.

      Rather, those people who SHOW their faith by their works are the ones who receive His grace. As James 2 14-22 explains, faith isn’t real unless its backed up by works. That is not to say Christ couldn’t save someone without works, it just means he won’t save someone until they have real faith. As the Book of Mormon says “We are saved by grace, after all we can do” meaning we have to do our best to prove that we love him and have faith in him, and after we have proven that to ourselves and to him, then he will reward us with his all-powerful saving grace.
      Is that really such a problematic understanding?

      • PR

        I believe if in his last breath comes to God for mercy and forgiveness it can be given to him. This was proven on the cross with the thief.

        I believe God’s grace IS free. It is a free gift that only has to be accepted. There is NOTHING you can do in this life to EARN it no matter what you do.

        Faith isn’t shown by works, however, WORKS is a byproduct of living for God. If you believe in Him and live for him then a natural overflow of your love will be doing good works, though they gain you nothing. You don’t have to prove anything to God. He knows your heart and your actions in how you love others speak for themselves. His grace is enough. His dying on the cross is enough. There is nothing we can do besides accept this free gift.

  • PR

    I’m not to say whether any specific Mormon is “saved” and am surely not judging. The main issues I have a problem with would be the works based salvation, the belief that Jesus dying on the cross is NOT enough to get you into heaven (works), etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adam.borsay Adam Puma Borsay

    I have no problem with Mormon’s and Mormonism. No more than I do with Buddhists, Hindus, etc. But in the same way, it is fundamentally in disagreement with explicit Biblical truths. Though there are many similarities, the differences are impossible to overlook and we cannot claim “kinship”. We claim a different God, a different Salvation, and a different eternal destination. Though the same words are used, their definitions are diametrically opposed. As Glenn is well aware, the great tricks of the progressives in our culture today is to co-opt important words with a new definition and most be people will be none the wiser.

    The questions I would be interested hearing answered by someone like Beck are;

    1) Was God at one point a “man” who became a God, AND, are we potentially going to be become “gods” ourselves who will populate our own planets?
    2) Is there only one eternal God who is in three Distinct persons the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? (basic trinitarianism) Not three different Gods, but ONE God in three persons.
    3) Biblical teaching is that Satan is a fallen angel, not a “son” of God and Jesus’ brother, where does the “new” Mormon understanding come from when it is in direct conflict with the Old and New Testaments?
    4) How can the Book of Mormon be a new Testament of Christ when it contradicts in many fundamental ways the Old and New Testament? Either the Old and New Testaments are completely unreliable because they god so many basic essentials “wrong”, or the Book of Mormon is wrong, it is intellectually impossible to hold both.
    5) The book of Mormon states that salvation is NOT by faith alone(2 Nephi 25:23, Moroni 10:32) while the New Testament clearly teaches that salvation is by faith alone. Why the difference?
    6) Mormons claim the bible to be true where it is “reliably” translated…..what hermeneutic do they use to decide what parts are inconsistent or untrue in the bible?

    This is clearly not an exhaustive list of questions, but some heavy hitters that are never addressed and that Glenn did not address here. Looking forward to an answer.

    • Anonymous

      1) One of the prophets in the Church once said “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become”. So, obviously there is something to that claim. However, it is not an official point of doctrine and not something that we ever get a clear understanding of. I believe this teaching can be classified as “one of the Mysteries of God” that the vast majority of members don’t fully understand.
      However, that said, there is precedent in the Bible for this kind of claim. John 5:19 ”
      Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” If you read that literally, then it means that everything Jesus did was once done by his father. If Jesus was walking around as a mortal man, then the Father had once done the same.

      AS to the 2nd part of your question, this is a favorite “stick” for anti-mormons to throw around. I don’t pretend that I could give you a full explanation of this doctrine, as I’m not sure I comprehend it myself, but suffice it to say this: children grow up to be like their parents. A puppy grows to be a dog, a foal grows up to be a horse, and a child grows up to be like their father (or mother).
      With that in mind, is God our Heavenly Father? We believe he is. Now, in Jesus’s case, God is both the spiritual father and his physical father. For the rest of us, he is our spiritual father because he created us in his own image. If that’s the case, then wouldn’t you expect to “grow up” to be like him?
      So, after we die and shed this mortal body, we will be resurrected and given an immortal physical body. That is one of the gifts that Jesus Christ gave to us when he overcame the bands of death. Once we have that immortal body we will have eons to improve our knowledge. And some time WAY WAY WAY WAY into the future, it is possible that we will have learned enough of God’s laws and methods to fashion worlds of our own. But even then, God will still be our Father and we will still worship him and him alone. He will always be our one God.
      Maybe that idea is weird. But personally I prefer the idea of a Heaven where we are still learning and progressing and actually accomplishing something rather than just sitting on a cloud strumming a harp.

      Again, i’m not claiming to be the ultimate authority, or to even understand it, but there is Biblical justification for that belief. It is not contrary to Biblical truth . . . only mainstream Christianity’s understanding of it. But what makes you think your priests opinions are any more valid than our prophet’s?

      2)Trinitarianism didn’t come into existence until more than 300 years after Christ died. It is not spelled out in the Bible, but only in the Nicene and Athenasian Creeds. Any Biblican references that talk about God and Jesus being “one” are clearly talking about one in purpose, knowledge, power, etc. and not actual physical body. At Jesus’ baptism, Jesus stood in the water, the Father’s voice came from heaven, and the Holy Ghost was present in the form of a dove. All 3 members of the Godhead present in the same place in 3 distinct bodies. Also when Stephen stoned, he saw God and Jesus at his right hand. Again, 2 separate personages.
      Mormon Doctrine declares the idea of the trinity to be a corrupted version of our idea of the “godhead” which consists of three members. The three are separate physical entities, but they have distinct roles to play as part of one grand plan. As such, they are “one” in purpose and can therefore be termed “one God”. Now, there is nothing in the Bible to refute our view of it. Just because it disagrees with your view of it does not make it incorrect. Again, why is your interpretation any more valid than ours, as they both agree with Biblical references.

      3)Biblical teaching is that Satan is a “son of the morning” or a “fallen angel” if you prefer. But again where does the Bible clarify what exactly is meant by “angel”? You have to understand that our Bible is a translation, and sometimes languages don’t have exactly the same meanings to words. If you want to buy into the Trinitarian view, then fine, Satan is God’s creation and as you think Jesus is God, then that would make him Satan’s “father” not his brother. But, without the trinitarian view, Jesus is the Father’s son and creation as is Satan and therefore they are “brothers”. Again, nothing contrary to the Bible, it’s only contrary to your interpretation of the Bible which may or may not be correct.

      4)You find your so-called contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon, and again you’ll find that the contradiction is with your interpretation of the Bible, not with the actual Bible verses. There are no contradictions between the two as long as they are read with the understanding given by the Holy Spirit, rather than the intellectual understanding of men.

      5)Where does the New Testament teach salvation by faith alone? it doesn’t. That may be your interpretation, but it doesn’t. Both scriptures teach that we are responsible for our choices and as such we are all sinners. However, IF we exercise faith in Christ then his Grace can save us. Christ’s grace will not save people IN their sins, but He will save us FROM our sins when we turn to him. Obviously Good works are not enough for any man to be saved, but they are a sign of a truly penitent heart and one who is exercising his faith. James 2:14-22 explains it very well “Faith without works is dead” “by works was faith made perfect”

      6) It is indisputable that the Bible has been altered through the years. All you have to do is look at the Latin and Greek versions to see how different they are. When King James finally got it mostly right, the translators were working with who knows about many different copies of things. Have you ever noticed that many words in the Bible are italicized? Those words are the ones that the translators couldn’t agree on, so they voted and the majority opinion is what was put down.
      This is precisely why God has chosen to bring forth more witnesses to clarify and confirm that which men have confused and misunderstood. So, we go by the law of witnesses as found in Deuteronomy, Matthew, and Corinthians. IN the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses will every word be established. Now that may be difficult for people who only have the witness of the Bible. But fortunately we have the witness of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, the Book of Moses, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the voice of modern day prophets and apostles. It’s fairly easy to find 3 agreeing witnesses to any point of doctrine with this many resources.

      So, there’s your answers. You may dismiss them as nonsense, but i really hope you will prayerfully consider them and open your heart to the possibility that God just might have more desire to give you proper understanding than you ever considered. He certainly loves us all enough to give us every conceivable opportunity to get it right . . . as omniscient as he is, and knowing human nature, why would he trust his Gospel to only a single witness? Any responsible, loving parent provides more than one guide.

      Even if you don’t agree with our interpretation, you have to at least give us credit for having Biblical justifications for all of these doctrines. We’re not nearly as “out there” as many people think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

    I have listened to the above videos,
    read the comments below and have been anxious to “type”. As a child,
    my parents raised me in the Methodist doctrine (very common southeastern USA
    much like Baptist). As a teenager, I entered a world of alcoholism of which I
    knew nothing about. I drank beer daily for 31 years and during that time, ethyl
    alcohol was my God. Most of those years were good but the last two I crossed an
    invisible line I did not know existed into chronic/acute alcoholism and experienced
    two very bad/hard years which nearly cost me my life let alone all possessions,
    career, family, yadda, yadda. I have now been sober a little more than 11 years
    with a sobriety date of July 5, 2001 and am grateful for every day since.

    The first couple of years of sobriety were challenging enough but soon I began
    to feel empty and the desire to “search” came upon me. I really did not know how to “term” this
    other than to say I was “seeking God’s truth”, whatever that was. Lacking any
    other knowledge, I went to the Methodist church (an offspring of the Catholic Church). I quickly realized that is not where I needed
    to be, it left me feeling “empty”.

    I had nothing to guide me other than prayer which is what I began to do. I prayed only for God to show me his “Truth,
    whatever that was”. I attended a
    multitude of faiths and doctrines, again, most leaving me feeling “empty”. Now before I go any further, I do want to
    state that I have an abundance of respect for all faiths and admire anyone that
    is willing to search outside of themselves for “answers”. I judge no one.

    I finally stumbled upon the “Church of God”.
    The COG, today, is quite complicated with a very complex history. There are many “sects”, I suppose you might
    say. It would be easy for an outsider to
    judge the COG harshly, it is necessary to “learn” the COG. I stumbled onto two “chapters”, I suppose you
    might say, that I have personally gotten a lot from; the United Church of God
    and the Philadelphia Church of God. I
    would never try to say this is right for anyone else, I just know that the “hole”
    I was trying to fill has truly been “fed” from these sources.

    I have been through enough to see how easy it is for an “outsider” to make judgments
    of which they actually know nothing about.
    I’m sure this has been true for followers of LDS. I would have only one phrase to offer, “a
    very difficult path seems to produce truly wonderful people”. I know very little, if anything, of the LDS
    but I have seen and heard enough to know that they are very committed,
    dedicated, faithful and work very diligently to strive for a better life,
    family and community. That is head and
    shoulders above what I mostly see of the America I once knew today and my hat
    would be off to anyone “trying”.

    Now to the good part… I have seen many
    comments regarding Jesus, the Devil, yadda yadda and I truly like what I have
    gotten from the COG. Yes, the COG will
    have many doctrines that many will “scoff” at such as Saturday Sabbaths, Gods
    Holy Days and Festivals, and so on. I
    want go into much of that other than to say the COG can back everything they do
    up with actual, REAL verses from the KJV of the Holy Bible. As far as I am concerned, enough said.

    I saw a comment earlier that I have been itching to discuss. “How does one know with certainty the accuracy
    of the Bible”? The answer is quite
    simple, approximately 1/3 of the bible is prophecy and is God’s Word where he
    knows the ending from the beginning.
    Fulfilled prophecy authenticates, at least for us believers, the
    authority and legitimacy of God. Many
    bible students could point to many numerous verses of biblical fulfilled
    prophecy. I have been anxious to point
    out prophecy that is actually being fulfilled right this moment and I was
    spurred to do so from other writers in this space. Daniel 11 and 12 is where I want to direct
    the focus and in particular, 11:42 and 43.
    This section is about the “End Time” King of the South as well as Iran, Egypt,
    Libya and Ethiopia. (This is exciting!).

    Only a short year and a half ago, would anyone ever have thought or believed
    that Egypt would cease to be a US ally?
    Think about it? Egypt was the
    Bush administrations ace in the hole for terrorist interrogations. The United States has given about a billion
    and a half dollars each year, straight into Egypt’s military ever since Jimmy
    Carter assisted with the Egypt/Israel peace treaty. Before the wonderful Arab spring, it was
    unthinkable to “loose” Egypt. But what
    has happened, virtually overnight?

    I believe in the prophecies of the King of the North and King of the South. The big question, who or what is the “King of
    the South”? Many will say Iran but
    honestly, I personally think it is “Radical Islam”, perhaps headed by Iran but
    I see that as insignificant. The NOW
    forming alliance of Egypt, Iran, Libya and Ethiopia is UNDENIABLE! Most Americans are not seeing this and our
    news does not talk about it but it is happening BEFORE OUR VERY EYES
    TODAY! The leader of Ethiopia just died
    and sources in Ethiopia are expecting radical Al-Qaeda terrorists to move into
    that country soon much like the MB pounced on Egypt. Libya needs no comment.

    This is fulfilled prophecy in OUR TIME and is undeniable. It is exciting to me and I desperately wanted
    to share it with the conversation.

    As for a Mormon in the White House? What’s
    the problem? A short 4 years ago no one
    seemed to have a problem with a Marxist moving into the White House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Wade/100000497190047 Donna Wade

    I love Glenn Beck, but am concerned how a well-read man that takes such pains to know and understand history, can’t see through the veil of Mormonism. If you just read one book, the Bible, it is so clear that Christ is indeed God in the flesh and Mormons just don’t believe this. Christ said, “if you deny me, you deny the Father.” it’s pretty clear.

    • http://www.facebook.com/anthonyebaker Tony Baker

      John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

      From the New Testament of the KJV of the Holy Bible.

      Further study will indicate the Word was made flesh and begotten unto Mary to be born as the mortal son of God the Father.

      It’s really pretty simple. I have no idea why mankind has went to such lenghts to complicate the simple Word of God.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe you should read the Bible again in its entirety and not just cherry pick verses that seem to say something that they don’t really say.

      If Jesus and God the Father are “one flesh”, then please explain to me the Intercessory prayer in John 17. Jesus prays to the father that those who believe in him “may be one even as we are one”. So, if Jesus and the father are one flesh, does that mean he is praying that all people who believe in him will become part of that same “one flesh”? Seems like a pretty idiotic doctrine to me. Jesus and God are one in mind, power, authority, desire, etc. But they are not physically the same being.

    • Leah

      Amen, Donna!!

    • R McMillan

      Donna, I have been thru the Bible many times, taught it last year for Sunday School as a matter of fact. I spent 38 years as a Catholic before I converted.

      LDS absolutely believe that Christ is God in the flesh. This is from the Book of Mormon Alma 7

      9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying: Cry unto this people, saying—Repent
      ye, and prepare the way of the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are
      straight; for behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of
      God cometh upon the face of the earth.
      10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the cland of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
      11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
      12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose
      the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him
      their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according
      to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
      13 Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take
      upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their
      transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now
      behold, this is the testimony which is in me.
      14 Now I say unto you that ye must repent,
      and be born again; for the Spirit saith if ye are not born again ye
      cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore come and be baptized
      unto repentance, that ye may be washed from your sins, that ye may have
      faith on the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, who is
      mighty to save and to cleanse from all unrighteousness.

      The Main issue here is the interpretation of the scriptures, which, among Orthodox Christians are all interpreted differently. Believe me, I am no stranger to the Bible, but you have never read the Book of Mormon

    • Anonymous

      One of my daughters at the age of seven, asked me about basic Christian beliefs. I told her that Christians believe that God came down as a baby and was born to Mary. In her little Mormon understanding, she said “you mean that they believe when Jesus was born, we had no God? The wisdom of children.

      • Leah

        “wisdom”?????

    • http://www.facebook.com/ryanwin Ryan Winterton

      So clear that he prays to the Father, and so clear that Stephen sees Jesus on the right hand of God before he is martyred? You refuse to allow someone to see the teachings of the Bible differently, when logic is more on their side than your own? Of course if you deny Jesus you deny the Father. It’s like if you disobey a police officer who gives you the law, you disobey those who write the law. Jesus asks us to be one with him as he is one with the Father. That doesn’t mean we merge physically, but that we stand with him in all things as he stand on the right hand of the Father. Why can’t people see this simple logic???

  • Abram Dorrough

    For any who would like to see an official representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — an Apostle of the Lamb — explain the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, here are some beautiful remarks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxhp2HATB0&list=PL71EF3FAE00087AD7&index=2&feature=plpp_video

  • Tammy Britton

    Hi Glenn-I listen to your show regularly, and think you are right on on many topics-but Mormonism is NOT one of them. I have been raised Mormon all my life-and many things you stated are just not true-I liken it to keeping the public happy as many public speakers of this faith do. #1-polygamy was said to be an inspiration from the Lord-it was an everlasting covenant-only stopped when the LDS could not get statehood until this practice was stopped..many still practised secretly and where not thought less of from the church-why do you think it is so hard to prosecute the FLDS in this teaching…at least the FLDS have kept true to their covenants and have not compromised their beliefs-not saying it is in any way right-but the Mormon people have yet to acknowledge to the public that the beliefs of the FLDS where their beliefs FIRST and they have not been swayed by the public as Mormon theology often is…they also DO believ that it was an everlasting covenant and it will be practiced agn…#2 Jesus Christ is a seperate entity in the Mormon religion-not as other Christians- as God= Jesus are one in the same-so Christians and Mormons are VERY different in that regard-but agn-this is seldom taught or preached to new converts or the general public wanting to appear truly Christian. To state my case-when I wanted to join a different sect-Babtist-they would not recognise my Mormon baptism-why??…makes you wonder…right?No other Christian religion will accept a Mormon baptism…#3 The temple-there is no need for temple ordinances to be done now that Jesus has come-he was the ultimate sacrifice and “old things are done away” as quoted from the Bible in Jesus own words…so to say that what is done in the temple is from the Bible is very false-no babtisms for the dead where done-Jesus said