If Gary Johnson gets even just 5% of the vote (where he’s polling right now) it would change the political landscape for the better far more than Obama or Romney.

Isn’t it funny how glenn beck and his lemmings preach day and night for individual rights and preach against losing individual rights UNLESS doing so might hurt their selfish cause.
If you want to vote for Ron Paul, ignore glenn and his puppet masters and vote for him.
If you want to vote for Gary Johnson, ignore glenn and his string pullers and vote for him.

I find it insulting that glenn beck, or anyone, believes they have the right to take away one of the most precious rights in America.

Lastly, I find it horribly insulting for glenn beck to mock hard working Ron Paul supporters by comparing them to a fool in a silly British skit.

I have to agree with Glenn on this one. I’m not a Republican either but I think I have to vote AGAINST OBAMA this time. As much as that sickens me to no end to do it. I’d much rather vote for a candidate I believe in but this election is VERY DIFFERENT than any election in my lifetime.

Well he has a point. Let’s not put the loon behind the
steering wheel again with hell coming in the next four years. you guys are
wrong the black knight is a liberal.

See guys here is proof that the black knight is liberal and he post under the name of strtlk.

Folks, strtlk is the face of the Liberal Progressives in this country and many of them are in government.

Save America, vote Republican. It’s OK to vote out a dangerous noneffective President like Obama who has now put our country in serious danger worldwide.

OBTW, Ron Paul is not running for President.

Too bad Glenn threw RP supporters to the wolves months ago, I doubt most of them will ever see this article or listen to anything he has to say again.

…And right on cue, they show up to call you names. When these people call you names, wear it as a badge of honor.

Every four years the Republicans tell us to vote for their guy, because we just can’t let the other guy win. But the Republicans never give us a real conservative. Romney is a small government guy? Who is so naive as to believe that? Have you read his book? I have, and it terrifies me. This guy doesn’t understand the Constitution, doesn’t understand individual rights, and doesn’t understand why freedom works. Sure, he’s marginally better than Obama, he’s only taking us off the cliff at 100mph instead of 110 mph. But I’ll vote for the guy screaming to stop the train and turn it around every time, even if he doesn’t stand a chance. The other way we go off the cliff regardless.

Seeing as how Paul or Johnson have a snowball’s chance, vote for them if you want to. Just remember a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama. I know for myself the country can’t afford 4 more years of this administration. .

Meg-
Here we have strtlk again, spewing off his venom. No one even mentioned taking away your vote, just trying to get you to act with some common sense, which seem to be lacking.

Right you are. I used to admire Ron but I think he is being spiteful because he wasn’t chosen. He has good ideas, yes, but it takes more than that to be president. I think Mitt can lead us out of this socialist mess yomamma has us in. Paul needs to grow up. He’s not presidential material.

Well Glenn . . . there’s two major chain restaurants in my town selling sh!t sandwiches, except one has bacon, and the other 3 cheeses. They’re marketing these sandwiches by calling attention to the bacon and cheese . . . or, more correctly by calling the ‘other’ restaurant anti-bacon or anti-cheese. The media is ignoring the main ingredient too, because they benefit from both restaurants in one way or another. Thing is – there’s some great small little places offering me exactly what I want in a sandwich, AND they don’t make ‘em with any sh!t! But the message I keep hearing is that buying a sandwich that I REALLY want is a waste of my money. In FACT – in many areas the two major restaurants make it REALLY difficult for little restaurants to come in and sell something other than sh!t. (My home Commonwealth is a big offender in this restaurant game.) So – in the end, either this is an incredibly effective marketing campaign, or people are just getting used to the taste of the sandwiches . . . .

why don’t you find a socialist ‘.com’ to air your left leaning head. Better yet get it out and give it some fresh air.

The Republican Party machine, i.e., “the good old boys”, picked their candidate Romney from the getgo. Why? They are almost as corrupt as the Democrats. An uprising by the people who are tired of corruption and destruction of the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution is as scary to the good old boy Republican machine as it is to the Democrats. Don’t rock their privileged, law unto themselves, boat. Neither party has the best interests of the majority of the people in this country. Both are power-lust, corrupt as never in history, anti-liberty parties and both want control over a new world order that dictates to every man, woman and child what they can do, think, and be. Both are big government, anti-Constitutional, anti-liberty parties of destruction. The only differences are how fast they hope to destroy the country.

I’m a life long dem. but didn’t vote for yomamma last time and won’t this time. I vote for the man that can do the job. I don’t stick to a ‘party’ for a party sake. I split my votes for the person that loves our country and will help it out, regardless of what party he belongs to.

Question Israel with boldness.
Question 9-11 with boldness.
Speak without fear.
Hold to the truth.
~ Glenn Beck

Ron Paul never had a chance in hell of becoming the Republican Party presidential nominee and you and all of his supporters know it. The ugly reality today is neither party has a candidate that decent, honest, liberty-loving, Constitutional-defending, God-fearing, people can support.

Meg-
Joshua, what is wrong with being for small government/ Do you like the idea of the gov. telling you what you can do, or can’t do? Small gov. means getting rid of a lot of programs that are not necessaryto keep us on track. BIG government is one thing that has put us in the mess we are in. You are so wrong about Romney. He knows the the Constitution, understands individual rights, and knows how freedom works. He will get our country back in the right direction, back to the Constitution and our Freedom. Just give him a chance. You will not be sorry.

Now is not the time to vote against saving this Country. Progressives have been at this for 100+ years and we’re just now at the tipping point, but yet RP supporters, Johnson supporters want the country to go far right immediately. If we want the country that far right, we’re going to have to do this just like the progressives did, bit by bit. Educate the public, get the message out there, vote for Romney/Ryan, keep control of the House, and get control of the Senate, and hold their feet to the fire. Then in future elections, get candidates/incumbents to go further and further right, and still hold their feet to the fire.
This is going to be a long fight, it’s not going to be something that can be fixed overnight. We can still keep this Republic!

There are only three candidates on the ballot in all Fifty States: Johnson, Obama, and Romney. There is only one that has any real solutions to make this country solvent again, that is Gary Johnson. Obama and Romney are two peas in a pod.

Don’t fall for the corrupted Two-Party propaganda. There is no such thing as just a Two-Party system, that is a lie perpetuated by none other than the Republicans and Democrats.

Vote the Libertarian Candidate Gov. Gary Johnson in 2012 and start rebuilding the Republican Party or create a new one for 2016. If Romney or Obama get elected then we will not have a choice in 2016. Romney has fixed the RNC rules to make sure he or another RINO Elitist is the GOP Nominee again and most important of all, we will be insolvent by then.

THERE IS A THIRD CHOICE! Don’t limit your options to two progressive losers.

“The greatest guilt of today is that of people who accept collectivism
by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of
taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that
which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically
designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that
they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the
word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be
examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be
eliminated by keeping one’s eyes shut. They expect, when they find
themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape
moral responsibility by wailing: “But I didn’t mean this!””

(Ayn Rand)

I can’t understand why voting against Obama would sicken any thinking, reasonable, informed, liberty-loving, person. The exposure of his life and views about humanity, liberty, justice, the rule of law, and our Constitution during the 2008 election was proof enough that he is an incompetent, Communist-Muslim leaning anti-America, anti-liberty puppet of the most extreme and radical leftwing hate groups in human history.

It is amazing to me how many people do not get that it is not Ron Paul that matters. It is his message and what he stands for that matters. When it comes to our liberty and protection of our God given rights, nothing matters but the Constitution. Is there anyone else who is promoting the Constitution beyond paying occasional lip service? NO! There is not. So for now, until a new leader emerges in to public view, to lead us for standing up for the Constitution, what we have is Ron Paul, who is the symbolic leader of the freedom we believe in. It is as simple as that.

This family absolutely refuses to vote for any man or woman who supports NDAA, sorry Glen you are wrong on this one. It is our vote and we will do with it what we feel is right not what you feel is best.

It’s time for him to throw his delegates behind Romney and ask his followers to do the same. For the good of the country. I’m sure he will in the near future.

You have got it right. People need to ask themselves why there is only a small difference between the Democrat and Republican candidate for public office and not just for the president. The “choices” we have are as you say-going off the cliff at 100mph or 110 mph-but going off the cliff is where we are going.

Ayn Rand is a nut. But with that said, there is no hope for the future of this country unless a majority of people vote against both the Democratic (sic) and Republican parties as both are corrupt and are willfully leading us to totalitarianism.

Blah, blah, blah. The same was said with George Bush Sr. and Jr. and look what that got us. There is no saving this country unless and until we overturn both the Democratic (sic) and Republican party good old boy machines. The only way to do that today is through another revolution.

I’ve often said that too. He is being very childish by not doing it so far. We don’t need a childish person for president.He hurt himself with me because of this. If he doesn’t do this and yomamma wins, I’ll be the first to blame Ron Paul. He should man up.

I will not vote for the status quo via Romney or Obama. They are backed by the same bankers and run by the same people. If I don’t write in Ron Paul, I’ll vote for Gary Johnson.

why would anyone ‘flog a dead horse’. I never even heard of Johnson. He certainly hasn’t done anything great that anyone would know him

I’m sure Glen would tell you to do just that. So do it.

I’m sure Ron will do the right thing, he wants to protect the chances for his son Rand.

BRAVO!some people just don’t understand

Libertarians are like a stalker ex-girlfriend who would rather see you in a mental instiitution than let someone else have you..Supporting Gary Johnson will be like a self inflicted suicide cult

I think you better hurry up and finish your school homework before your mom gets home. Have you passed the 3rd grade yet?

Because when you vote just to vote against something, you’re compromising your principles. I really hate to do that because that’s really all I have as a person is what I believe in. It took a lot for me to finally admit to myself that I didn’t align with either of the two political parties and have voted as such for the past few elections.

And who says Romney is competent? I’ve seen the videos of Romney on youtube flipping more times than a burger on a grill. Look, Obama sucks we all know that. However, why do you piss all over Obama for creating Obamacare but give Romney a pass for Romneycare in Massachusetts?

The bottom line is I don’t trust either one of them as far as I can throw them. They both suck in my opinion. Yeah, maybe Romney doesn’t suck as much as Obama but he still sucks in my opinion.

But at what cost? Preventing Obama from getting four more years is a lot more important to this country than any kind of moral victory for Gary Johnson.

There will be more to worry about if Obama gets another four years than the fact that Ron Paul is not on the ballot or that Romney doesn’t speak for or follow the Constitution; We are guaranteed that document will be null and void.

I would vote for Romney only because it would give time for another Ron Paul to surface in time for 2016; a vote for Obama means times up for America.

He was given a chance, it was called being the Governor of Massachusetts. He was a very successful Democrat Governor. He passed things that Extreme Left Democrats only dreamed of passing.

Romney Care anyone?

Most media polls are meant to discourage the Romney base Just like the Trolls come here to Divide & Discourage Remember the one college team that has been using computer models to predict accurately the presidential election for years? IF some one should be discouraged it should be the trolls….. their data says Romney Wins! Sounds good to me!

What has Romney done that is do great?

Never heard of Johnson? Talk about being an uninformed voter.

Let’s not repeat the same mistake we did with Ross Perot.

A vote for Gary Johnson is a 1/2 vote for marxism, Obama care, higher taxes, no federal budgets, runaway national debt, the Dream Act, more Cass Sunstein regulations, more drone attacks, longer “kill lists” of US citizens, more executive orders trampling the constitution, less US standing in the world, more apologizing to our enemies, more Michelle food policing, more Michelle vacations, repeated bald-face lying, golfing, Joe Biden gaffs, and… oh yeah… four more years of Barack Hussein Obama hmmm hmmm hmmm.

How about GFY? We’re sick of voting for who you want us to, we’re done with that BS. Now we’re voting how we should have for years. If that means splitting the vote so be it, put up a candidate that’s worth voting for. It’s not so much that we don’t believe Romney can win, it’s more that we don’t want him too. Not much of a choice, Obama or Obama-lite.

The GOP blatantly cheated by manipulating delegates during the primary. They went so far that they even stripped Maine delegates that supported Ron Paul. Also, the RNC made rule changes during the convention in order to create the appearance of unity. Romney’s lawyer was involved. Now, Glenn Beck wants Paul supporters to vote Romney. Romney and the RNC are the same as the Democrats. Both are liars and cheats and will do and say anything to get elected. No thanks.

Meg, Joshua is for small government, you miss read his message. Romney is in NO WAY a small government guy. Romney said he would have voted for the National Defense Authorization Act, the Patriot Act, he supported TARP and introduced Obamacare at the State level. He totally for national building and warmongering. You must be out of your mind or have done zero research to think Romney is Small Government.

Screw you Beck! You know damn well it’s because of people like you and your pro-establishment minion cohorts in the news that is mostly behind the reason Ron Paul isn’t the Republican nominee! It may not be today or tomorrow, but soon people are going to see right through your lies and deception!

I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson because Romney is just a slightly right leaning big government Obama. I will not be dissuaded from voting my conscience. Sorry if you have an issue with that. It is your choice to be hateful I’m just voting for who I believe is best for my country because Romney and Obama are going to send this country to the same place….Ruin.

Yeah right, Ron Paul is planning to run again in 2016. Either you’re naive or you are trying to convince Paul supporters to vote Romney. Not gonna work.

Ohhhh….”Another Ron Paul”…..where?

I will not vote for Gary Johnson because he fails on the first point of Liberty…the right to Life.

Glenn, you are the one who just doesn’t get it. We are talking about saving the Country and even YOU said that you agree with Ron Paul on a lot of issues. We KNOW he’s not running but that doesn’t mean we can’t gripe about how his chance was taken away from him by Romney and his camp and the entire RNC by very devious means.
And you want that kind of a guy for President. Is he any better than Obama? Maybe a smidgen. But thousands of Ron Paul supporters are disgusted. We are sick and tired of being forced to vote for the lesser of two evils – which is still EVIL! We would have had a chance with Ron Paul. We are grateful for all you do but we think you really goofed up on this one. No, Ron Paul isn’t running but the fight for Liberty will never end. God’s justice will be served even as ours is only a word.

But Romney is exactly the same as Obama so your point makes no sense.

Romney top 5 contributors are as follows:
1. Goldman Sachs
2. JP Morgan Chase
3. Morgan Stanley
4. Bank of America
5.Credit Suisse Group
You can find this list at “Open Secrets. org”….Many more banks listed.

Where do you propose to do that after Romney’s illegal activities on the National Convention floor in front of the whole country? This cements his power to remove your vote- your Delegate who you have legally elected to represent your voice?
He’s also changed the rules where we have to have from 5 to 8 a presidential candidate would have to win in the nominating process to formally have his/her name in nomination before Convention.

Can you name your Delegate? Right off the top of your head?
Do you know what he has to say of these activities? Quote them. Then tell me you are speaking for Iowans. Iowa is one of the states that have the fortitude to protest what Mr. Ginsberg (DC) accomplished for, quote: ” “It wasn’t our ideas. We did it as a favor for some friends..”

All that Mr. Ginsberg accomplished in no way affects this election cycle, but the NEXT. A blatant power grab for the
elitist RINO, cementing the top down control of Your vote. As he was the representative for the Romney campaign, tell me where in that tyrannical power grab is conservative values? He has no morals, values, or natural inclinations to adhere to our Founders documents.

What Mr. Ginsberg orchestrated for the “friends in high places was Quote: “…ramming through the change in the rules to permit winner-take-all in the primaries in March.”
Removing the process for with is necessary to vet our candidates.

Thank God your Delegates had the moral turpitude to recognize the Liberal attitude this RINO exposed to the world. A vote for Romney is a vote for more of the same tyrannical positions that Obama embraces as a first inclination, NOT our Declaration of Independence/ Bill of Rights.

Enough, Ron Paul is not running.

I use to watch Beck on Fox long before I became a Ron Paul supporter. Ron Paul is the same person he has always been. He has been consistent throughout the years and has a record to prove it. You can pull up a video from 20 years ago and he was saying the same thing as he does today. Yeah I use to respect, Glenn Beck because he was speaking truth on his Fox show. Glenn Beck is the one who has changed. He gave into the establishment GOP.

Ron Paul isn’t on the ballot and any states, so what is your point?

I asked a Ron Paul supporter who answered a question I had on another site as to if they be Republicans, what is the issue not to support the candidate chosen even if it isn’t Ron Paul…I was told it was like ordering choc. cake, only why not apple pie or a bowl of ice cream……he said they didn’t share the same perspective that you would support the candidate of choice for the well being of the party if it isn’t their choice. I asked if its important they don’t want Obama for 4 more years why the conflict since many of us as party candidates put our support behind the candidate chosen for the party, he says its not a that type of event participation and they won’t support anyone but Ron Paul? I’m still trying to understand it and I still think that Ron Paul and some of his supporters are like kids on a playground who if they don’t get their way take all the marbles and go home….Is he a Republican or not and what is the problem? I’m a democrat so it doesn’t make sense to me……

And a vote for Romney or Obama is a full vote for Marxism. Try researching who Romney’s advisors and contributors are. I warn you, it is not pretty.

Romney supports NDAA. NDAA includes indefinite detention for American citizens without a trial; that is unconstitutional. I will not support Romney for that reason and many others. Obama and Romney are similar.

I don’t feel that Romney is the best candidate, BUT, he will be better than Obama. Obama will be the death of this county. If people vote for a third party, the vote will be split and Obama will win. That is not acceptable.

You’ve got to pick your battles. Everyone against Obama needs to work together. Work against Obama.

That’s what Ron Paul and Gary Johnson supporters don’t seem to get, which is what Glenn was talking about. They would rather support their ideaologue than cast a vote that will really count. They don’t get that, if they vote that way and Obama wins, we probably won’t have a country to try to save, or maybe even another chance to vote.

Glenn Becks just scared because when it finally all does burn to the ground his stupid ass is going to be one of the first ones on the chopping block! Long Live the LIBERTY MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me see if I can explain. Democrat VS Current Repub nominee – Turd sandwich with mayo VS turd sandwich with mustard. Ron Paul supports prefer a nice juicy T-Bone steak. When you have two candidates that are almost exactly the same most of the Ron Paul supporters cannot justify voting for one or the other because they are equally as bad for the country.

That’s fine there is always Gary Johnson.

But how is Romney any different? His record speaks volumes about how liberal he really is. How can you vote for a person that will put us in the same place that Obama will?

Correct, another person “like Ron Paul”. From where I don’t know, I couldn’t care less if he came from Hollywood, so long as he/she could put the two party monopoly out of business.

Right, how many delegates does he have and how’s his national campaign doing. Outside of a few thousand followers he has no votes.

Real world time!

The right man for the job is not going to Win. But that dont mean we can not make a difference in our own state and that is were the real vote counts .
take your States back !

And where exactly does Mr. Paul keep his money; who are his investors and where is his money invested? You listing all these banks is meaningless. Romney owes no one any financial favors. Do you honestly think Mr. Paul was backed by no financial institutions?

Mitt Romney is a gun grabbing, tax raising, healthcare socializing, pro abortion, big spending, liberal. And that is his record. Even Obama hasn’t restricted weapons or raised taxes. Mitt did. There is no reason to believe anything Romney says because his record speaks for itself.

The choice between Obama and Romney is a choice of 4 more years of Obama, or 8 more years of Obama’s policies. I choose neither. I will not give consent to these thieves.

Our constitutional rights are disappearing and both of these thugs are part of the problem. They both support the Patriot Act and NDAA. Unacceptable. The bill of rights and civil liberties found in the constitution are the only damn thing worth fighting for and we are losing because of scam artists like Beck.

Yeah, really. I am still seeing Ron Paul yard signs. Do you see me with my Rick Santorum sign still up? No, get over it people.

Loved reading your post…..it is what it is.

And every four years the demorcats do the same.
Until someone like a Ron Paul comes along and breaks the barriers, it’s either a left or a right. There is no in-between. Obviously, if he were the man, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I do believe it’s just a matter of time; just not this cycle. Four more years to work on that and get it right for next time. So, unless you want total choas, let’s stand united.

I have stopped listening to Glenn and
cancel my subscription because GB is a tool for the establishment. I thought
for a while he was going to be different and would stand for Principle, GOD HOW
I WAS WRONG!

When Western explorers first landed and ventured forth on the North American continent, they met a virtual plethora of indigenous people, all with varying and specific self interests. The one common interest they all shared is the one they failed to deal with effectively and they didn’t even have a “third party candidate.”

Anyway, had the American Indian’s formed a confederation they could have withstood the Western European expansion. Just like conservative, Republican and Libertarians need to stop Obama’s “expansion,” then coalesce and change the Republican party.

Or, you could “cut off your nose to spite your face?”

Purveyor

Well he’s running for the libertarian party now. So my question to you would be how can you vote for someone who is almost exactly like Obama? He may say he believes a certain way but his record says otherwise. Why should someone who truely believes in liberty vote for someone who supports the Patriot Act and the NDAA?…And Romney Care.

I’ll vote ABO and shape him when he takes office. And it’s just your opinion that he’s “exactly like Obama”. He’s twice the man Obama is.

You want to vote for a person who will have absolutely no influence on the Nations direction and policies, then do it. Changes come in small steps in this county but you allowed Obama and his idiots to dominate policy and destroy the Nation. You will do it again this election, right? The world you want will never, ever, ever become this country.

Glenn, you almost had me convinced until you called me a “puny head”. I’ll grant you that Romney MAY prove to be better than Obama. Maybe. I’ll grant you that he may be visited by the Holy Spirit and atone his strong Progressive leanings. Maybe.

But I’m sticking with the route that my conscience dictates. And my conscience will not allow me to vote Progressive. I’ll vote for either Johnson or Goode. I’m well prepared to let the chips fall where they may. Peace.

Campaign donations are a matter of public record per Federal Law. Paul’s top donors were active duty Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.

I was too dumb to not vote for McCain last election. I voted down party lines like a fool. I feel bad about it now. It was a mistake…So I guess you support the NDAA and the Patriot act then? And you mean it won’t be this country again. as it was that country for a while. You are why this country isn’t great anymore.

how polite!

ANY
TIME OUR ENEMIES DELETE OUR COUNTER ATTACK COMMENTS…, GLENN BECKKK’S MINDSET
IS THAT OF A DEFEATED FUMIGATED COCKKKROACH WHO WILL NEVER ADMIT HE IS A VANQUISHED BOTTOM PIT OUTHOUSE WALLOWING IN HIS OWN EXCREMENT MAGGOT! BRIAN, WHEN HE DELETED YOUR COMMENT, YOU WON THE VICTORY…, HE LOST LIKE A TRUE
COWARD! – E.F. Mohammed Martinez – Racist Xenophobe AmeriKKKa’s Worst Nightmare!

And the democrats cry- ” A vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney!”.

I knew you were, you helped Obama get elected by voting for someone who had absolutely ZERO chance of getting elected. You’re going to do that again this election, right? The NDAA just happens to be law, if you want to change it then you need to repeal it and allowing Obama to get reelected isn’t going to do that. Logic! At the present time the Patriot Act is necessary for our security and safety.

I’m the guy who’s going to be effective enough to facilitate changes that the Nation needs. I spent most of my life defending the Constitution of this country so your insult isn’t warrented. If we don’t get another Conservative in the supreme court we are doomed. Your way gets Obama elected for another 4 years and a possible third shot at stacking the deck in the supreme Court. Open your eyes and see the big picture for once. A poorly cast vote is a vote for Obama and the possible takeover of the Nation by Marxist and Liberal Progressives.

You do what you want but don’t you dare try and spew your garbage about me being the reason this country isn’t great anymore.

For Pete’s sake, grow up. I’ve lived through 11 Presidents, there’s nothing new here just the same crap recycled over and over but I’m old enough to see it, you apparently can’t.

There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between mitt and Obama. Last election Mitt lost to Mc Cain who lost to Obama. When do they stop trying to recycle? This time they gave us mitt – like it or not. Well, I don’t like it. I don’t like that the GOP changed the rules that would have allowed Nevada to nominate Dr Paul from the floor. He earned that right. The country needs a law & order candidate who will obey the laws on the books & a candidate who knows how congress works. I will not accept guilt for voting my conscience. The delegates from maine spent money on plane tickets and hotel rooms to get to vote for their candidate, Ron Paul. The GOP refused to seat them and the devil be damned. That is not what our republic is about. So, I will vote for a man on Integrity who loves Family, Faith, Country & Flag! I will vote for Dr Ron Paul.

Amen. The one man who actually could get the budget balanced in 3 years and Glenn threw him under the bus. It makes me wonder whether people really want to go back to small government and sound money. Dr Paul would cut $1 Trillion in actual spending year 1 and balance the budget in 3 years. Yep, government jobs would go – Dept of Education (needs to be local), Dept of Interior, Dept of Transportation, TSA (stop groping people), EPA who shuts down a multi-million dollar project because they found a new spider. Dr Paul is anti-abortion, personally delivered over 4000 bouncing baby boys & girls and never performed an abortion. He loves Family, Faith, Country & Flag. And we should feel bad for voting for a Patriot?? Don’t think so.

No, they just have to watch likely Romney owned tv stations. Fox perhaps? NBC?

Dear Mr. beck- I cannot write in words how grateful I am as a listener and student of yours for many years to see your hard work and dedication when it comes to preserving and fighting for our nation EVERYDAY. I understand full well that Congressman Paul is no longer running. I was a delegate for Dr. Paul in Nevada, and was aware some time ago that the candidate would in fact be Mitt Romney, and at the time I bit my lip for the good of the party and got behind Mitt (Something I SWORE I would NEVER do). It is because of you sir that I “Did my homework”. It is because of you sir that I understand the difference between “Party” and “Principle”. It is because of you sir that I understand how important Dr. Paul is/was for our Republic. Mitt Romney was the guy. Ron Paul had lost. That said, WHY did the Romney camp and many of the GOP establishment go out of their way to squelch what little support Dr. Paul had left by stealing the Maine delegates?? Why did they do the EVIL article 16 2/3′s robbery on the floor of the RNC?? I was willing to except that Romney may be different and that “He had to be better than Obama!”, line I was spreading myself, until all this mess broke. Mitt Romney hasn’t even won and he’s already showing he is just another big government PROGRESSIVE! Something you uncovered and taught your audience well. Now Mitt is doing things like saying “I like a lot of things in Obama care”!! You yourself said he is CRAZY if he keeps the pre existing conditions claus. Look I don’t wish to write a book here, and I doubt you will see this, but PLEASE sir don’t belittle your listeners who support Johnson because he represents REAL Libertarian values in a system that you yourself taught us is BROKEN and FULL OF PROGRESSIVES!!! PLEASE Mr. Beck we value your words and your hard work so much, Please don’t defame us if we happen to have our own opinion that doesn’t fall inside the main stream. I thought thats what we were fighting for??? I get Obama is horrible!!! I shudder every time I see his marxist lies, But I DONT BELIEVE ROMNEY SIR!! I tried Mr. Beck, I really, really tried.-“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” -John Quincy Adams
Thank you Mr. Beck. God bless, and God bless America

I don’t think you understood his post. He said pretty much what you did.

The empire is collapsing. I’m proud of some Americans though. Especially those voting their conscience.

I own you an apology I was angry at your friend and should have not blown my top like that. I might not agree with you I don’t want this to continue. He leaves me alone and I will leave him alone even thinking going away again because my heart is still not where it needs to be and it might get worse. I will come back after the election but I just wanted to let you know. Talk to me when you want just no politics for it is only a fool’s hope of ever turning things around. It the end of things it reminds me of Daniel and that statue that he talked about we are the clay feet of that statue and it is only a matter of time I just going to watch it burn there is no hope in my heart of turning this around we can’t even agree on anything where set up to lose and if I learned anything today it’s that. Tell me I just crazy for feeling this.

No, it isn’t. Romney is just as bad or worse and may draw us into a conflict with Iran (another endless senseless war we can’t extricate ourselves from) for Israel in under a year’s time.

That’s not how it works. Ron Paul supporters won’t vote for Romney even if Ron Paul endorsed him. It wold take more than just an endorsement to get us to vote for more of the same.
You say we are throwing our vote away. We say that we, as Americans, have been throwing our vote away for a long, long time on candidates that have taken this country down to the point that it is hard to say whether it can be helped. -100-10 is not much different that -100-11 and that is what we have been voting for for a long, long time.
We, as Americans have to buck up and start voting for positives to get out of the hole we are in. No one can win if people don’t vote for them. Get on board with a candidate that can help this country, not just take it down a bit slower. If enough of you all out there vote for positives with a positive record, instead of listening to the rhetoric and who the media says can win, then we can win. The only reason Ron Paul is not the nomimee (other than fraud and cheating) is that people didn’t vote for him, period. One is electable if the people elect him.
It’s up to people like Glen Beck and others with a voice to promote good candidates, and that isn’t happening.

NDAA and the Patriot act aren’t “just laws”. They are tyrannical power grabs by an improper elected government. They are blatant violations of the constitution and therefore undermine the law itself and render the government illegitimate. It’s like passing a law that allows cops to shoot peaceful protestors or bans criticism of the Quran or that outlaws fair elections. Sure, they’re laws but they’re ones that make the state and its supporters the criminals and the terrorist who resists it the hero, regardless of what the media or the illegitimate state says about it. We know what those criminals will say already.

You may think you are voting for Gary Johnson, but you are actually voting for BO and his thugs. If Romney is elected, both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have a much better chance to have their beliefs become more possible. WAKE UP FOOLS!

Good for you. Your solution is to vote Libertarian and elect Obama. Sorry, I’m not interested.

@Joshua-Such a great post!!! I have really struggled with this myself. Mr. beck actually made some good points on Romney a few times, but I always kept coming back to the fact that we have seen what happens when we vote “Party over Principle” to many times before! Romney is the classic politician. He’ll say and do whatever it takes to win and there are HOURS, AND HOURS of videos of him youtube that PROVE he has been on both sides of EVERY issue at some point. After the RNC I KNEW he was just more of the same and I was lying to myself because I wanted to get Obama out of office so bad!! Irony that it is because of Glenn Beck that I learned and understand what it means to vote PRINCIPLE! Now he wants me to play the game he taught me was rigged??? I love Mr. Beck, and will likely always be a huge supporter of his. This topic however we just are not going to agree on. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

Glen, you are not winning any Liberty Lovin’ Folk to your side with your support/vote for Republican Progressive, Mitt Romney. He is going to lose in a ‘land slide’ against Obama because more Americans are dependent on the Government for their existence than ever before. Mr. Obama will simply keep/expand more American’s dependence via tax payer dollars by way of the printing press. After all, why would anyone drink light beer when they can have the full monty? Still, I am voting for Gary Johnson if Ron Paul is not on my State’s Ballot.

Glenn, you should probably take down your Power4Home endorsement. I did some research and I can’t find a *SINGLE* good review. Everyone, everywhere is calling it a scam!

Did a little further digging on power4home and found that even the BBB discredits them. (
http://www.minnesota.bbb.org/article/complaints-against-power4home-pro-trip-bbb-sensors-33742 )

All they can control is their own vote and will. They’re not voting for an “ideologue”. They’re just voting for the best candidate.That’s something to be proud of. If you’re voting for Paul or Johnson you know Romney is as bad or worse than Obama. He’s just as corrupt, just as beholden to special interests, just as statistic. He’ll spend a bit less domestically so he can invade some innocent countries with what he doesn’t spend here, and he’ll likely take away more rights and ignore even more of the constitution than Obama, if that’s even possible. Mitt, the etch-a-sketch? The spineless, soulless corporate raider? No thanks man. You’re missing Fox, man. Get back to the TV. As you enslave yourself and your soul to them they’ll feed you little morsels of propaganda to placate your conscience and quell your ego.

I could never bring myself the vote for Obomney. We “Ron Paul People”, or more accurately labeled, Constitutionalists, have no horse in the race. Don’t expect us to come to Romney’s rescue any time soon. P.S. Beck, Your daily comedy show is fantastic.

Glenn, your constant ridiculing of Ron Paul is not helping! When he was running you still ridiculed him! Your as bad as the GOP in belittling Ron Paul! Maybe you and the GOP should try a little compromise with Paul supporters, DO NOT TRY TO BLOCK THEM OUT as the GOP did, or Romney will surely lose! I live in a red state so my vote for Romney really is not relevant, so i am still writing Ron Paul in! I wasn’t till this show, I was going to hold my nose and vote Romney. Now I am voting for principles!

Thank you for the explanation, apparently you Ron Paul supporters are quite the food culture experts when it comes to relating to politics….appreciate you taking the time to fill me in.

I hadn’t heard of this before.

lol vote for anyone other than Romney and there won’t be a chance for ”another” Ron Paul…You are fooling Yourself!

I realize that some will not like what I just said, but it’s the truth

Agreed!

FYI,Mark Levin has a good radio show!

Very well put..enough said

Of course we won’t, because we actually STAND for something that neither Robamney, nor Obummer STAND for.

If it were Rand, he would get my vote. This, for another year. Obama will win if the vote is split……THIS CAN NOT BE AN OPTION!

Lol that war is going to happen regardless of who wins in November. I’ll be nice, but You really need to think this through a little more…

#ronpaulrevolution if we all voted our what we know is right he will win write him in! We are still free and can vote whats in our heart!

Barb, you are the fool, you just don’t know it yet. Voting for Gary Johnson is what a principled person must do based on facts. I must vote for the person who represents my views. You are living in a false world where you think you are fighting a battle between Dems and GOP, but they are the same thing. They have you so fooled while they take control of both parties and do the same thing.

I wonder how many votes Beck lost Romney today? Probably as many as Romney did letting himself get video recorded at a fun raiser! Between Beck and Romney himself , I would say by now Romney don’t have a chance in Beck of winning!

Yep! Most Repukes support NDAA! Look it up read it! You will be say ………..enlightened! Awakened! And you will be to terrified to back to sleep!

Try using your brain instead…..Let me apologize in advance for the insult. This is not a popularity contest; we are fighting to send Obama packing!

I think your missing the point. All we want is a little respect and compromise! So far the only thing we have to show is how crooked the GOP and the Democrats have become!

We will be guaranteed an Obama win period! Is this what you want? Cause it’s what we’ll get. We can get four years to work out our differences and get Rand to run in 2016.. Heck, I will promote him myself!

Mitt Romney supported the Brady Bill and signed the assault weapons ban. He is a gun grabber. Even Obama did not do that.

Mitt Romney raised corporate taxes. Even Obama did not do that.

Mitt Romney is a socializer of healthcare, big spender, and supports abortion.

All of these things are on his record. There is no reason to believe the empty rhetoric he is spewing. We’ve heard it all before from these RINOs.

The choice between Obama and Romney is 4 more years of Obama or 8 more years of Obama’s policies.

Before you vote, be sure to get your passport. If Obama wins, you WILL need it. I know our system sucks and I empathize more than you can appreciate. Ron Paul is my absolute favorite and I am deeply disappointed especially since he would have chosen Judge Napolitano as VP, but Obama is b@tcr@p crazy and actually hates America. At least Romney and Ryan are Americans and as such, have to live with the future they create for their children and grandchildren. I am not trying to be hateful, I am truly worried. Please, at least think about it. I am quite aware that until the european banking cartels and the likes of G. Soros are dismantled, we will continue to be wage slaves, but even Gary Johnson would have a hard time controlling these people. He’s not powerful enough to not be assassinated, and I think Ryan could be a good stabilizing factor. Just think about it, okay.

A vote for Romney is a vote for 8 more years of Obama’s policies.

Glenn, This is the sort of treatment you have always give Ron Paul and his supporters!

“Monday’s debate and give every candidate reviews, and Rep. Ron Paul got by far the worst of it as Beck shushed the candidate and told him he sounded like Osama Bin Laden.
“Ron Paul needs to shhhhhh on foreign policy,” Beck suggested, “You sound a little like Osama Bin Laden at times,” he told O’Reilly. “It’s not America’s fault, and I don’t think Ron Paul gets that,” he noted, to which O’Reilly added, “and he never will.”

And now your well kinda of desperately pleading for Ron Paul supporters to support Romney? I think you are the one sir that is delusional!

There is more where that came from!

To Glenn Beck: I truly appreciate all your efforts and what you have done for this cause and to unite Americans across the country. That being said, there times when you are so hard-headed that you alienate the very people you strive to convince. It doesn’t just stop with Ron Paul, it proceeds all the way to Virginia with the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Gospel choir or not, you were told not to do it and to quote you, you said “I don’t care”. You are ignorant and arrogant about such history. Remember: the history you know was written by the victors, propaganda and all made it into the history books and people remember those comments. I have also seen you do this to guests on your show when you didn’t agree with them. Case in point: You had a guest that was standing up to the Muslims in Europe. I don’t remember his name, but when he told you that all of Islam was ultimately about jihad, you snubbed him because you had ‘a’ friend who didn’t fit the stereotype. You may not have noticed (go back and look at the tape), but he looked at you the exact expression as BB Netanyahu looked at Obama when discussing the 1967 borders. The gumball machine effect (uncensored thoughts falling out of your mouth) needs to be curtailed because it divides which I know isn’t your intention. Please take the time to be thoughtful in the future as you are in a much more influential position than you might realize at times.
Sincerely and God Bless

There’s no difference between Romney and Obama. Both support bank bailouts, gun control, NDAA, nationalized healthcare, and the Federal Reserve. Might as well save the moving costs and keep Obama because that’s the only difference between the two.

Between Romney and Obama it makes absolutely no difference which one wins. The Federal Reserve will continue to rule.

I think the reason Glenn doesn’t support Ron Paul is Dr Paul’s open social stance not being critical of non Christian behavior and Beck is much more fearful of Muslims and the Middleast. Ron Paul’s tent will be the Big Tent for future conservatives because many people have some understanding of the trashing of the Constitutional Liberties and the economy, debt and deficits but get totally turned off with some Republicans telling them how to live and be morally just in our society. Ron Paul just started the movement and if Republicans would just get off the world military and morality crap a little bit, just think.

Sorry Glenn, you’re wrong on this one. We won’t vote for the lesser of two evils when we have someone who is not evil, Gary Johnson. Why on earth would you not support Ron Paul when you said on your show that some of what Ron Paul was proposing was a “conservatives’ wet dream?” You even played Barry White music when mentioning the wonderful beliefs Ron Paul had. Yet, you claim to be libertarian and support Romney? As far as the comment, a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama, we think a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. Remember John McCain? We can see how good that one turned out, can’t we?

Paul Ryan voted for the NDAA, Patriot Act, and TARP, so even his VP pick isn’t really a conservative. However, I’m beginning to wonder if conservatives really do support small government.

Romney and Obama – two sides of the same coin.

If conservatives are smart, they’ll vote for Gary Johnson because Romney is about to go the way of John McCain.

The most incredible thing is he calls himself a Libertarian. How can you be LIbertarian and vote for Romney?

You are playing liberal games by using ad hominems instead of debate. You mam are no better than a liberal yourself.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama, Barbara. They are two sides of the same coin.

Curious, I don’t see you in these parts unless called by someone. Now I wonder who that could have been?

Hmmmmmmm…..

So don’t cut your nose off to spite your face, join with me and others in voting for the best candidate, Gary Johnson. When did Americans start settling for second or third best?

No offense but your allegorical attempt has no leg to stand on, the same as your “CO” premise. To borrow one of Dan Rathers maxims, “That’s like saying if frogs had pockets they would all carry guns”. LOL, Dan was always good for a laugh.

Seriously, if I was a professor I would have to grade that with an “F”. Next time, put a little more effort into it please.

“Where the principle of difference [between political parties] is as substantial and as strongly pronounced as between the republicans and the monocrats of our country, I hold it as honorable to take a firm and decided part and as immoral to pursue a middle line, as between the parties of honest men and rogues, into which every country is divided.” -Thomas Jefferson

Please do not confuse Mr. Jefferson’s use of the word “republicans” to mean the current GOP Republicans.

“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.” –Samuel Adams

I’m curious to know why you promote your theory “Neutral PRINCIPLE” when you and your compatriots are so willing to cast FOUNDING principles aside at a moments notice? Who and why would follow “NP” if principles are meant to be discarded? How can a country survive as founded and prosper without Principles of Virtue?

“But I go on this great republican principle, that the people will have virtue and intelligence to select men of virtue and wisdom. Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” –James Madison 1788

While you are thinking about that, go take a look at what the little Jedi Master has been posting. Very alarming stuff, I would think you would be far more worried and interested in what he is writing then little ol’ me. Especially since you all view me as such a “small minority”. LOL

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).” -Mark Twain

By past comments here from various posts, there were certainly a number of people who said they would vote for Paul. Some said they would vote for G. Johnson. Trying to dissuade them is like spitting in the wind. It’s all about ”principle.” If that’s how they feel, it would be better if they didn’t vote at all? In which case, I guess the outcome would be the same. Isn’t there such a thing as ”doing what would be good for the nation?” (Not that some politicians feel bound by that!)

The best way to see how a candidate will be is to look at their record. Because the records of Obama and Romney are both progressive, it follows that they will be progressives. But, I know people are going to believe what they say rather than what they do, unfortunately.

Why haven’t you heard of Johnson? Don’t tell me you get your news from the mainstream media! Look him up and see what great things he has done. There is nothing worse than ignorance. Look him up!

At what cost? None that I can see. Obamaromney should be the name of these two candidates. Can’t you see that Romney is just an Obama Lite?

Amen brother! I was going to compromise and vote Romney before the convention. The stealing of the delegates was the last straw and showed me they are both just two sides of the same coin.

We saw it. We run these tubes.

Paul supporters embrace this ridiculous, outmoded thing called LIBERTY, and that means we draw our inspiration from men like Adams, Monroe, and Jefferson, not a talk show host. We’re just a few years ahead of the majority of Beck’s audience.

Think of the difference between a college freshman and an expert in the student’s chosen field – or the transition an infant makes upon growing teeth and going on solid food, foregoing the bottle (until age 21).

We know where this nation is going, It’s going there regardless of whether Team Blue or Team Red are at the helm. Men like Beck, and his audience, fail to recognize that the paradigm hasn’t shifted. It’s been shattered. And it is they, the R’s and the D’s, along with Beck and his ilk, that history will record as the authors of their own political misery.

But folks like us, Paul supporters and liberty lovers of all stripes – of all races and political party associations – will keep the light burning as long as we can. It’s up to Beck and his audience to take the leap towards it, though.

The most gripping moment of Glenn and Stu’s diatribe in the above video comes as they are mutual agreement that it is Paul supporters that will be responsible if Obama is re-elected. Simultaneously laughable and nauseating…to the enlightened, informed, educated, and inspired Paul supporter, that part of the video was priceless. Too bad you can’t cry in your beer, Mr. Beck. Instead, have a Coke and a smile and STFU.

I usually debate liberals and all they do is spout off ad hominems instead of debating an issue. You have spouted off an ad hominem without any debate. You are either a liberal or ignorant. Which one are you?

After the election when Romney goes the same way as John McCain, your “reality” will certainly hit home.

We think a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

We believe that we are doing good for the nation by not voting for a progressive. This means we will be voting for the only person who can turn the train wreck around, Gary Johnson.

My year’s subscription is almost up and I am not sure I’m going to renew. He calls himself a Libertarian and yet supports the Republican progressive. This makes me question other beliefs of his.

OK, your just crazy!! We don’t always need to agree, we just need to simply do our best to show others the path of love, every thing else will fall into place. We will never be able to eradicate evil, we just need to keep it in check. If it sounds too simple, it’s because it is:)

If Romney can’t win, that’s not my fault. It is his fault for not earning enough votes– especially mine.

Yep, He says it also. It’s up to us to chose that path. There are only 2 choices, very simple indeed, Lioness.

Does it hurt when the farmer shears your wool, Barb?

Hear, hear!

For all of those arguing that Romney isn’t really much different than Obama: you’re right. He’s very similar to Obama in many of his stances and his beliefs. The reason to vote Romney instead of throwing away a vote on Obama is pretty simple, though: no libertarian or conservative ideas of any sort have the tiniest chance of getting anywhere with Obama as president. He will veto everything that goes against his socialist-leaning big government agenda.
Romney, on the other hand, can be pressured to listen to conservatives and libertarians because they are a part of his party and he wants to get reflected for a second term. He won’t ignore the people who helped get him elected because he needs them to make it happen again.

To those of you who are calling others sheep for not believing you when you say that Obama and Romney are the same, maybe you ought to consider that while you’re right about them being similar in personal stances, you are dead wrong about them being the same president because their situations will dictate their actions and Romney’s situation would wry strongly favor conservatives and libertarians compared to Obama’s.

OK, you will cast your vote for a man who has no chance of winning because you do not want to vote for a ”progressive.” Thereby, you will gamble on the possibility of another 4 years of B.O. And that will be ”good for the nation?” Because you think Romney will follow in the footsteps of B.O. and have the same kind of policies? Please explain your rationale.

If you haven’t heard of Gary Johnson then you must not really follow politics closely at all because he was in two of the Republican primary debates this year…

a vote for gary johnson is a vote against both obama and romney. There will be a fair amount of liberals who’ll vote for Johnson as he is more liberal on many social, civil liberties, and foreign policy issues

not to mention the fruitless lawsuits filed by republicans against the libertarian policy for the sole purpose of forcing the LP to waste valuable resources paying for their defense

Gary Johnson is the other ron paul, except with significant executive experience

two term governor of new mexico, turned a one man handy business (himself) into the largest construction company in New Mexico, has climbed 4 or 5 of the 7 peaks.

misterhalfevil ~I salute your precise and rich remarks. You Sir have devastated the “Ill-logic” of Beck & Co. You are a Master Black Belt in this art of thought and word.

Romney was not my choice as the Rep. candidate, but I will vote for him because he is pro-life. B.O. is not. His past is open to scrutiny. B.O.’s is not. From what I’ve heard, Romney is generous with both his time and money and does not blow his own horn. On the otherhand, we haven’t seen that kind of action from B.O. and anything he does, if the media thinks he deserves praise, honor or glory, you can bet he’ll get a lot of it from them.

~ A vote for R-Money or Obamney is a “WASTED” vote.
~ Obama will win just because R-Money is already proving he was not worthy of the nomination.
~ There is a trail of dead bodies a mile long of vote manipulation and RNC illegally giving advantage to R-Money — LONG before the nomination
~ Don’t blame the Ron Paul supporters for the beating R-Money will take on Nov 6.
~ Every day R-Money makes a fool of himself in the media. He’s a shallow veneer.
~ The RNC and R-Money did it to themselves.
~ It will be refreshing to live in a collapsed society for a while after Obama finishes the job.
~ Then the true patriots — the lovers of the Constitution – will rebuild this nation.

Your right, Romney was a democrat early in his career, he still latched on to many liberal stances until quit recently–2009 primaries.

Both Democrats and Republicans in the central government want big government and more and more authority.

Glenn Beck suppressing third party vote–loves the way the two part system works–willing to go along with it for fear of greater evils. Analogy: Lets gets off Obama’s bus that’s driving off a cliff and get on Ronmey’s Buss which is sinking in a pit of quicksand. Vote Romney 2012. I am a progressive and I would have serouly considered voting for Mr Paul, because I even realize its time for government to contract. Republicans should have given Ron Paul a fair chance, he had the power to convince liberals of the truth.

Glen Beck is a nutty Clown who sees socialist in his cereal.

Its true, The two party system sucks.

My choice is clear. I really liked Ron Paul although Newt was my first choice. I consider my views pretty darn libertarian, but I darn well will not let that American hating, freedom robbing, dictator have another four years in this country. Read his own words from his book “Dreams from my Father”, OBAMA HATES WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR, He will FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE UNITED STATES!!!! That’s a far cry from status quo. When Romney is elected, let him know what we want, at least we will have that chance with him. Stay alert and start writing, make it clear that it’s in his best interest to serve us!!!

Can it, Beck.
I’m in support of Ron Paul.
Unfortunately, I can’t write in his name because of a ‘sore-loser’ law in my state.
What am I going to do?
Vote Obama? Hell no. We’ve already seen how much damage someone can do in 4 years. Why continue it?
Vote Romney? Are you kidding me? Why would I vote for the father of Obamacare, a man who wants to continue the working of the fed, or a man who wants to continue the unconstitutional wars and bombings of other nations?

Vote Johnson? Hell yeah. He’s come out in support of the Revolution movement, he wants to end the foreign wars, and end the war on drugs. That doesn’t mean we’re all pot smoking hippies, it just means we like to follow what our forefathers fought for.
A third party candidate to mess with the electoral vote is something we need to destroy the 2 party system.

Fellow Ron Paul supporters, from what the RNC did to us, let’s take our revolution this November to another fighter for liberty, Gary Johnson. Spread the message and teach the RNC a lesson.

“Isn’t there such a thing as ”doing what would be good for the nation?”

This is a profound statement that I fully agree with. It’s not just about our personal desires anymore. This is the difference between two ideologies, one that’s terrifying and one that’s just annoying at worst. I can’t allow someone who hates us to actually have four more years of “flexibility”.

It’s amazing to me how someone (like Beck) can spend years doing show after show talking about how great our founding fathers were, and the brilliant history of the Constitution, yet this entire election he HAD a founding father in Ron Paul he could have supported but he lacked the guts, or intelligence to support him.

Beck seems to understand the evils of the Federal Reserve, and yet he lacked the fortitude to support the only man on earth who made it his life’s ambition to destroy the Fed.

No. I don’t think I will back Romney or Obama. Neither of them represents the moral or principled leadership I want in my President. And let’s get something straight Mr. Beck – You and Ron Paul are not “the same”.

Ron Paul stands for getting at the root of all our problems, not just following the same old lies and propaganda in an effort to cowardly avoid our role in creating our own messes. I respect someone who is willing to get at the roots of our problems, while Romney (and you) just wants to waste time tinkering around the edges.

NO THANKS.

(Disclosure; I used to watch Beck’s show on Fox all the time. He was talking a lot about the issues which Ron Paul talks about. But it turned out it was just all talk. Ron Paul scares people like Beck and limbaugh. I think deep down somewhere, they probably know Paul is right. But they (again) lack the guts to admit it. If you search YouTube, there’s a video of Rush Limbaugh admitting that Ron Paul’s economic plan was a good idea, but of course because Rush never took the time to actually “research” Ron Paul he honestly thought Ron Paul “stole” the plan from him. Ron Paul has made a life of saying no to more government.)

RON PAUL SUPPORTERS TO GLENN BECK – STFU
I understand you have a moral obligation to back your fellow Mormon, and thats honorable, but I dont – my vote counts, as does my conscience – and as far as I am concerned it will be a damned cold day in hell when I would ever vote for a liberal like Romney- U wanna swallow the poison- you go ahead but my vote will be for Gary Johnson and not Mitt Romney- not now – Not ever.

It’s the 2008 election all over again. Vote for Obama/socialism or vote for Romney/socialism lite, it’s known they’re both progressives. This whole thing was fixed to get Romney the nomination from the start, it was proven he didn’t win the first primary in Iowa. But that didn’t matter because it gave him the first momentum to take every thing else, especially in the north eastern states which is why their primaries just have to be first. There isn’t any real choice being given here, there never was. The only reason to vote for Romney is he’s not Obama, not much better and not much of a choice.

Jesse Venture 2016

All those who believed in Ron Paul were stuck in an ideology that a president could actually change the individual mindset of this country. Really it’s all in your power. Teach personal responsibility, charity and faith. It’s not up to a president, it’s up to us. The decision for our next president should be based on one main theme, Obama really hates us, he is purposely causing our collapse. His actions confirm his words. If you vote for the status quo out of fear, that fear is warranted. I think we can work with Romney, Obama’s going to tear us apart.

If it’s any consolation to all of those who feel there may be a split, there’s a lot of those lefty, progressive nut jobs that are voting (not on principal) but on their insanity for some crazed dictator wannabe from that socialist party of America. So it may balance out.

The question is: Is Willard really better?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/willard-is-even-worse/

so, is it safe to assume that glenn beck supports the NDAA and the TSA? because romney is using the TSA at his rallies/fundraisers. romney also has stated that he would have signed the NDAA as written if he were president. so glenn beck supports these illegal power grabs? beck supports the bailouts of the “too-big-to-fail” institutions? because that’s what paul ryan did. and romney and ryan are the big saviors of the nation? says who? them? glenn beck? wall street? did you know that soros likes romney? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aLQU_nYSM

but, hold your noses, people, and vote for romney anyway. after all, the ones who run the GOP and RNC are so much smarter than all of you.

Well for one winner. I said I voted for McCain. I was not smart enough to find a better candidate. 2. Are you really crazy enough to believe that the patriot act has anything to do with our “safety and security”? If so I would suggest to you that maybe you are living in the wrong reality.

You should never sacrifice liberty in the name of security ever. You are in fact what is wrong with this country. “Oh I’m just going to vote down party lines because the other guy is bad.” Why do you think this country is going to crap. Its not because of me. It’s because of people like you who buy into all the horse shit that is being spewed by the MSM and the candidates. You probably even believe that the riots in the Middle East are because of some stupid film. I’d say you are naive. Yes Obama is bad but Romney is just as bad.

To your last paragraph. IF YOU KNOW DEMS AND THE REP ARE ALL THE SAME WHY NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE DIFFERENT?

Isn’t that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

I am effecting change in this country by not voting for the same thing. Romney is Obama by his record and actions. So you can vote for another obama if you want I’ll be voting for someone better.

Yes apparently I need to take the time to read

Based off of Records how can you say that Romney and Ryan are any different than Obama. The all support the NDAA, SOPA, the Patriot act, Tarp, the bailouts, Romney is the inventor of Obama Care, and many other things that are exactly the same. Outside of minor social issues they are exactly the same. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. I’m not trying to be hateful or mean either. What I’m saying is that to effect change you have to vote for someone who is actually going to do it not someone who’s going to do the exact same thing.

Since Romney is going to follow the same policies as Obama does why should I vote for him? You say he’ll be different but the only difference I see is social issues. And that is limited to abortion and Gay marriage rights. So with those being the only two major differences I can’t vote for someone who wants to put this country into harms way. A vote for Romney is a Vote for Obama.

Thank you. I refuse to vote for the other side of the same coin when there is actually someone who could save the country.

Calm down Glenn, don’t blow an artery. You make it sound like there’ s real choice here. The real question is: Is Willard really better?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/willard-is-even-worse/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/romneys-fair-warning/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/does-romney-want-to-kill-americans/

No its more like we are trying to dumb it down to a level that people can understand. If we didn’t people like you wouldn’t understand.

oh silly glenn. did you think we were bluffing when we told you we werent going to support another neocon? did you think we didnt mean it when we said we believe romney and obama are virtually identical? the republican party must change or lose. they didnt change this time around.

see, glenn? blowback is real.

How many listeners do you think you just lost Glenn? And please, PLEASE, don’t ever call yourself a patriot. You are an establishment shill, nothing more.

I was really off the path last night wasn’t I?

I don’t see any substantive difference between them at all. If one philosophy or the other is going to be at the helm when the whole thing crashes and burns, would you rather the Dems or the Reps get the blame for destroying America?

Funny. You talk about Glenn being goofy, a conspiracy theorist with whacko ideas and then you say the Republicans should have given Ron Paul a chance. Yes, I believe you when you say you are a progressive (your spelling certainly denotes a lack of education), which would explain why you would want someone who would be easier for President Obama to beat.

I have a lot of respect for Glenn, he is doing great things but on this
topic he is lost in the wilderness.

Yes Glenn because Ron Paul has proven over and over his integrity and character to me. I see no other politicians who understands how corrupt the money system is and how to fix it like Ron Paul does. How can you say “Romney is the next George Washington”? That just insults my inteligence and no you must be out of your mind to say that. It’s so naive, Romney is just another politican that will submit to the powers that be just as Obama did and do their bidding.

As long as we play this two party cat and mouse game the people at the top of the food chain win. They invest in both sides and get what they want be it an Obama win or a Romney win. Nothing ever really changes. I won’t sacrifice my integrity and play this stupid game again. We will never win playing the way the elite want us to play in a rigged game.

You want to change things then start a third party and vote for somone like Ron Paul. That’s what the elite reallly fear.

Romney is and always be unelectable! You know why? He can’t keep his mouth shut! If he loses it won’t be because of Ron Paul supporters, it will be because the stupid things he says! Veterans should learn to milk cows? and the fact he keeps repeating he don’t care about the poor! He may feel differently but he can’t shut up!

Craig,

My apologies as I did not mean to be confrontational. In truth, I understand your position and wish I could join you. I voted for Ross Perot back in the 90′s and all I got was a Bill Clinton! Maybe I should have said : “Throw out the baby with the bath water?” Ouch!

Speaking of “”, perhaps I should have included an “LOL” or a “grin” to temper my comment? Rather, I relied on my “choice of words” (analogies) to speak for me. (I intended a hint of mirth to present in my comment) Respectfully, I know all to well how married you and others are to this issue, hence I should have been more careful, again, my sincere apologies.

Moreover, your retort is an excellent and thorough response.

(Note: in this case, I just wandered over to Beck’s room. BUT, your assumption would otherwise have merit)

Purveyor

Glenn, didn’t you warn us about Progressive’s?
Mitt Romney is a self admitted Progressive!!

How is that working for you?

Ron Paul was the only honest man to run for office in decades.

Dear Glenn, we have had it ‘up to hear’ on your religious and foreign pandering. You did everything right up to a point and that’s when we all dumped you. You are nothing but a shill for the establishment, the foreign lobbyists and the global elites.

FACT: Ron Paul WON countless states’ straw polls in the primary/caucus process, only to have them stolen from him over and over again by vote flipping and outright rigging courtesy of the establishment state GOP’s, who have all been in the tank for Romney.

FACT: Ron Paul WON the GOP nomination at the RNC, only to have it stolen from him by Boehner with a rigged voice vote and the unnecessary disenfranchisement of an entire state whose delegates were legally entitled to be there, once again so Romney could be coronated on the taxpayer dime.

FACT: Romney’s “message” (if you can call it that) of more government surveillance even though it tramples on our liberties, more wars even though they’re expensive and solve nothing, more money-printing by the Fed even though it will continue to downgrade our credit rating and our dollar, and more debt with no real plan to balance the budget couldn’t be further from Ron Paul supporters’ principles.

And you expect us to support this decidedly non-conservative crook who stole the election from us? This attitude that the “big two” parties are ENTITLED to everyone voting for them and only them for no other reason than hatred of the other guy has ruined our political process and effectively run our constitution through the shredder. It has given us nothing but a horrible reputation abroad and an unsustainable nanny/entitlement/police state at home.

Whatever happened to voting your conscience? I’m writing in Ron Paul this election day because he’s the only person who reflects my principles and the only person I can trust to uphold them. If you don’t like it, tough. Accept the fact that some of us aren’t sellouts.

“He knows the the Constitution, understands individual rights, and knows
how freedom works. He will get our country back in the right direction,
back to the Constitution and our Freedom.”

How much is Romney paying you to spew these laughable lies?

Glenn ,
Shut Up, Please just shut Up. I’ll vote for who I want because my vote is my voice. Yes Obama’s a big Gov’t socialist, But so is Romney . Don’t try to paint it any other way.
Got it? Now go shut up.

Then Korflock, when Obama is re-elected and this country is no longer recognizable as the United States of America; when Shariah law is the law of the land; when the dollar crashes and we are pushing our money around in wheelbarrows. When “they” come and take all of our guns away along with all of our freedoms, our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, etc., then, then we will all know just who to blame, won’t we?? If you split the vote, you could be ensuring that Obama is re-elected and that would be devastating for our country. If you vote Romney and he gets elected, he will at least put the brakes on to destruction and give the country time to look for and perhaps find the perfect candidate for 2016 or 2020. Please, do not do the first to our country. It is not only yours but it is mine also, my kids, your kids. Can you imagine what this nation will look like after 4 more years of Obama???

I am Pro-Life and pretty much Libertarian, so I cannot in good conscience vote for the pro abortionist Romney anymore than the pro abortion Obama.

Ok…….I watch and listen to Glenn constantly and I don’t recall him EVER supporting or giving in to the GOP. I think you have drooled over Paul too long!

voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. your basically already blaming us for mitt losing. why don’t you fire up the other 50% of people that dont really vote ever to get off their ass.

Korflock: O, how noble you are standing by your beliefs! So you nimrods think a Johnson vote will help you sleep better at night because you are a man or woman of “integrity”. Please. Anyone who votes for Johnson will be saying you, in reality, care more about standing there in the mud with your Johnson pin than what will happen in America. I think it extremely selfish and immature in this age when if Obama is re-elected there is a very good chance we will no longer recognize America any longer. And, you fool, if we destroy the 2 party system in the name of Ron Paul I promise you similar scenes from the Arab Spring playing out in our own streets.
If you happen to be single without relationship prospects and no chance of offspring then vote for Johnson in droves…you won’t have to worry about destroying the country and worrying about what happens to your children, grandchildren, etc…please get a grip on reality. PLease.

There is NO WAY we are voting for ROmney after the DOCUMENTED cheating, lying and fraud that the GOP commited OPENLY against Ron Paul and his supporters, four more years of Obama will do more for the liberty movement than eight years of Romney. Prep now, because Twitt Zombie is NOT going to beat Obama.

@Jerry- ya know man, there just might be some truth to what you have outlined here. My wife and I are ALWAYS shrugging our shoulders and wondering how it is that Mr. Beck can not be for a RP presidency, yet holds almost ALL of his same views!! We always assume it has to do with foreign policy, but just TWO WEEKS ago Mr. Beck had a show asking the question- Should we leave the middle east??! My wife and I almost fell out! We couldn’t believe it! He sounded just like Dr. Paul! As far as morality, its a good point you make because when he talks about Dr, Paul’s stance on ending the war on drugs, Mr. Beck says he agrees with Congressman Paul, but were not ready morally as a society to handle that kind of freedom. I believe he always says- “Until we are ready to step over the heroin addict, unless that addict really wants a hand up in life to make it on their own, we can’t survive as a society.”, But logic argues Freedom is freedom, you either believe in it entirely or you don’t. You CANNOT pick and choose the peoples Freedom or Liberty! You either believe in ultimate Freedom or not! Still in my opinion Glenn Beck is a PATRIOT, and much like our founders we ALL may be dedicated to Liberty, but none of us are going to agree on everything. I just can’t help but think what a difference it would have made to have had, Mr. Beck support Ron Paul!!! It would have been something beautiful to have seen. Great post, sorry I wrote a book!

Me too!! Gary Johnson!!!

I’m still seeing Ron Paul yard signs and bumper stickers as well.
I have never seen a Romney sign or bumper sticker. Romney doesn’t have a chance of winning, it’s time for conservatives to consider another option.

Personally after the nonsense at the convention I REFUSE to vote Romney!! Cheaters are the same as liars and I don’t want them representing ME,,,,

It seems odd to me that you Mr. Glenn Beck, “man of principle”, would become a man of the practicle vote and support big government. How interesting that you said with tears from your eyes, ” I pledge my life, liberty, and my sacred honor..” and then encourage people of principle to compromise and become corrupt as well. So sad Glenn.
I understand your fear regarding another four years of this marxist regime and the damage he will cause. And that may be what is necessary to get America’s attention.
However, as one of the many here have said – we can’t help it that he, Mr. Romney, does not stand on and for the Constitution of the United States. He is big government.
I will bet that the Founders and all those patriots who gave their all for this nation would stand with Mr. Paul and against the President and Mr. Romney. Tyrrany does not care if you have a D or an R behind your name. It is still tyrrany.
The Republican Party is part of the problem and not the solution and much like the Whigs of past they will go by the wayside once the freedom loving people of this God given nation wake.

Ok, I have taken the time to read the posts here and I am absolutely appalled by what I have read. I have read that a lot of you would rather see this Country destroyed than to vote for the “lesser of 2 evils.” Is that the case? If not, then why are you willing to vote for Johnson and take votes away from Romney???
Romney was not and still is not my first choice for the Republican candidate. However, I firmly believe him to be a truthful man and an honorable man. You guys keep brnging up Obamacare. Don’t you think that Romney has had just as much time as we have to really learn about and dislike that law? Romney is not stupid. He sees what the liberal policies have done to this nation. Romney at least loves this Country, unlike the one we have now.
Why would you people want to see Obama re-elected to finish destroying the United States? You Paul supporters have a lot of loyalty and enthusiasm. Why not concede this one, but instead of sitting down again and going back to sleep until the next election cycle, why don’t you actively start searching for the candidate for 2016 or 2020 that you COULD support. We know Paul is not going to run again. If you believe Gary Johnson would be your ideal candidate, then get out and start supporting him and grooming him as soon as this election is over. You guys wait until the election cycle and then start chest pounding and lauding Ron Paul who, for whatever reason, does not have appeal for most Americans.
If you will notice, the TEA Party has been working very hard now for 4 years. The TEA Party has actually made a difference in a whole bunch of Senate and House races, and will do so again in November. This is part of taking back our Country. If you guys woud work toward getting candidates you prefer in the House and the Senate, then you would also have more of a say in those bodies.
But to just absolutely refuse to vote for someone because you disagree with a few of his stances, but who would definitely be much better than the current one we have, is just down right stupid. You know Johnson cannot win. You say you are taking a stand when, actually, you are aiding and abetting in the destruction of this Country. Almost any other election, your tactics would not hurt or bother anyone, but in this election, we are talking about the saving or the destroying of the Country, depending on who wins, Romney or Obama.

Please stop saying they are the same. Perhaps in your puritan world of politics where there is only black black and white white will you find that perfect man like, uh-hum, ha-ha, Ron Paul (sorry I made a blaspheme-just cover your eyes and hold your nose and stomp your feet until this crazy old geezer is elected, which will be never! We have 4 year olds with a more grounded sense of reality than what I’ve been reading here. ) As a shrink I deal with folks like you Ron Pauler’s/G. Johnson’s every day. See if this sounds familiar to any of you: You rule your household, if you ever did or still have a spouse, by intimidation and ‘my way or the highway’ black-white thinking. Compromise is for the weak in your narrow little minds and to give you a perfect analogy of today’s America you have a truly great man (Mitt perhaps) standing outside your house with ample fire-hoses ready to put the fire out. But as it burns with you and your family in it you stand by your principles and wait for a someone (perhaps Paul/Johnson) to begin spitting on the roaring fire that is consuming you, your family and your house. You know they are the men for the job, although they are nowhere in sight yet. So it all goes down in flames. You and yours perished because of stubbornness when you could have been saved by the man at hand. Not a perfect man, he may have even done some things you didn’t approve of. But what he would do with fire hoses to save you and your “house” (America), although maybe a little charred, would be completely different than the guy named Obama, who stands there with gasoline outside your home.

Glenn, the reason why we will not vote for Romney is the fact that he’s part of the same problem. He won through fraud, and he will start another illegal war. He doesn’t give one shit about our Constitution or our servicemen. Ron was not given a fair chance, and therefore we will not be bullied by corruption. If Obama wins because the GOP is split, so be it. Maybe the GOP will play fair, be open minded and not react in fear the next time around. We can no longer support men who represent corruption and war, no matter what the consequences. Remember, a true friend to liberty will reject a man who is not wise and virtuous.

You have it right! If more people thought like this and are true Americans then we’d have a true patriot in the white house (Ron Paul). Perhaps Glenn is showing his true colors and doesn’t want a Constitutionalist in the white hse. Demos & Repukes are all the same, money money & votes, screw the people. Will true Americans stand up and make a difference!

Ps, Glenn, thanks for helping to start this revolution. I was a fan of your show back on Fox. I’ll still be a fan, even if we don’t agree on candidates.

Glen,
I love how you say repeatedly “don’t listen to anybody who says he can’t win” and we are on the verge of a worldwide financial collapse and “don’t listen to the media”. Well I agree which is exactly why I’m voting Gary Johnson. The fact that you can in the same breathe attack those that vote their heart while encouraging people to do so is the reason we are in this mess. Yet your only recommendation is to do more of the same. The point is you are right people need to stop voting for the candidates that the media tells them to, they need to start doing their research, and they need to change the way they vote because we are really on the verge of a financial collapse. Sorry bud but you are in the media and your opinion stands mute to those who are tired of doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Some of us call ourselves independent not so we can have and excuse to vote both republican and democrat some of us do so that we might vote for neither.

Glenn Beck’s logic: Ron Paul is unelectable. Therefore, don’t nominate him, and treat him like dirt. Now, please, Ron Paul people, vote for Romney, for he can’t be elected without your votes.

Uhm, no. Glenn, we have had it up to here with false conservatives like you. You had your chance to support the only true conservative in the race. You knew who he was: Ron Paul. You even admitted it once or twice that he was the only true conservative. You even admitted that he was the only one who had a clue as to how to save America.

And yet, you treated him like dirt.

Enjoy your 4 more years of Obama. You have yourself to blame for it. As far as I am concerned, Obama or Romney, the same difference. I’d rather have 4 more years of Obama than 8 more years of an Obama clone.

I’ll give you an idea, Glenn. Start cheering for Ron Paul 2016. He’ll be still in a good physical condition, trust me. Also, next time, instead of offering that stupid teary apology to Romney who doesn’t deserve it, stand like a real man, and apologize to Ron Paul. And rally behind him, and harass the GOP to nominate him. We’ll forgive you your treachery if you do that.

“There is not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties!”

-Alabama Governor George Wallace, candidate for President, 1968

You know, you are so totally right! But one thing is changing in the Repulican Party: The Tea Party has influenced elections so much that we actually have some conservative new blood up and coming in the party. We have Marco Rubio, Allen West, Ted Cruz, and many more. Everyone here has such a defeatest attitude. Instead of giving up and being defeated why don’t you get out and join your local Tea party or 9-12 group and work t o actually make a difference!
If you are looking for the perfect candidate, you will NEVER find him. We are all different and have different views and stances on different issues. You have to find the one that is closest to your views and STANDS A CHANCE TO WIN, vote for him and then begin looking for a candidate who is more close to your viewsfor the next election. But to throw your vote to someone who cannot possibly win just because of your ideology, thereby ensuring that the most evil president we have ever had gets re-elected, is just plain evil and ciminal in itself.

You have been fed a giant pile of donkey dung by the right wing nut-jobs, and you call the Paulites conspiracy nut-jobs…….From what I am seeing these so called Tea-Party clowns like beck are doing the same thing as Rush Dumbo and others, they have jumped right on the lets elect the Massachusetts moderate that came up with Obama care so we can defeat the Marxist, socialist, communist etc who got Obama care through both houses and the Supreme court……..Come on, give the American people as a whole a break, neither side is looking out for our best interest at all. If we took the entire Federal Government and dumped them in the Sahara Desert , inside a year there would be a shortage of sand……And for mdlwoods, this country isn’t recognizable right now, thanks to all the people who ran around scared after 15 guys from Saudi Arabia, one of our allies ran a couple of planes into the two towers and we let the Fed Government go nuts and start 2 wars simultaneously and chase a guy in every cave in a mountain range in Afghanistan and he was hiding in Pakistan who once again is one of our allies? I would much rather see 4 years of Obama destructive policies than 8 years of Romneys destructive policies…….

well said, Are real vote is how you spend your money. Vote 3rd party lets mix up are corrupt 2 party system

Please stop saying they are the same. Perhaps in your puritan world of politics where there is only black black and white white will you find that perfect man like, uh-hum, ha-ha, Ron Paul (sorry I made a blaspheme-just cover your eyes and hold your nose and stomp your feet until this crazy old geezer is elected, which will be never! We have 4 year olds with a more grounded sense of reality than what I’ve been reading here. ) As a shrink I deal with folks like you Ron Pauler’s/G. Johnson’s every day. See if this sounds familiar to any of you: You rule your household, if you ever did or still have a spouse, by intimidation and ‘my way or the highway’ black-white thinking. Compromise is for the weak in your narrow little minds and to give you a perfect analogy of today’s America you have a truly great man (Mitt perhaps) standing outside your burning house (America)with ample fire-hoses ready to put the fire out. But as it burns with you and your family in it you stand by your principles and wait for someone (perhaps Paul/Johnson) to begin spitting on the roaring fire that is consuming you, your family and your house. You know in your perfect little heart of hearts that Madison, Franklin and Washington would have done the same and know they are the men for the job, although they are nowhere in sight yet. So it all goes down in flames. You and yours perished because of stubbornness when you could have been saved by the man at hand. Not a perfect man, he may have even done some things you didn’t approve of. But what he would do with fire hoses to save you and your “house” (America), although maybe a little charred, would be completely different than the guy named Obama, who stands there with gasoline outside your home.
I have seen many like you who have abandoned spouses and children because their little world wasn’t perfect. Don’t do the same to America! The situation in the world and in America will never be as Utopian as you hope. Like all life situations we do the best we can and surround ourselves with the best available -Romney/Ryan- and continue to look for someone who perhaps might be even a better choice. I challenge all the Ron Paul folks to truly consider what giving Johnson (Obama) even 1% of the vote may do to this election. Obama and Romney are not the same! Get off that stupid horse. There is so much at stake. If you think as one Pauler stated that we just need to let America (and the world) all fall apart hoping one of these “perfect” saviors will come along and make all our collective ‘boo-boo’s’ all better, you will be waiting for all time and eternity. Just not the nature of life in mortality my friends. We cannot do the perfect thing but we can do the right thing for America. Please consider voting for Mitt. We must defeat Obama.

Hey Glenn, I’m a Republican and don’t appreciate being told that I suck. Have you ever read the GOP platform? I don’t agree with every Republican that’s elected, but I agree with the platform and am working hard to get people elected who will follow it.
I don’t have any control over who gets nominated as presidential candidate, but I sure have a say in who my local candidates are and helped defeat a 36 year DFL incumbent named Oberstar to get Chip Cravaack elected.
I believe the only way to make the GOP better is to elect candidates who follow the platform. Don’t tell me my party sucks because of the bad apples that we’re in the process of weeding out. That’s insulting to me.

Fear fear fear, anything else your scared of, start buying USA goods, stop buying asian goods, and you’ll see USA prosper

“Don’t you think that Romney has had just as much time as we have to really learn about and dislike that law?”
~~~~~~~~~

It doesn’t look like it:

Romney In 2009: “Glad To Hear” Obama “Copying” RomneyCare
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/05/romney_in_2009_glad_to_hear_obama_copying_romneycare.html

Ron Paul stands for the people of the USA, not the corporations, and lobbyist manipulating politriktions. Its why fox news Beck and the gang scared of Ron PAUL. He is true conservative, someone I can believe

so true, a vote for 3rd party is a vote for real change for the future it will take time, do it for the youth

If you actually believe there is “only a small difference between the Democrat and Republican” in this case, then you are just plain brain dead and need to be on life support! You cannot tell me that you believe Romney would actually be spending the money Obama has, would be bowing to foreign leaders as Obama has, would be negotiating the release of the Blind Sheikh as Obama is, would be making congress irrelevant and trying to destroy th Constitution as Obama has, etc. etc. etc.
You say Romney would only drive us off the cliff at 100 mph. Just why do you believe he won’t do what he says and cut spending, restore relations with our allies, repeal obamacare, shore up SS and Medicare, etc. Do you know Romney to be a liar because if you do, please let me know of some instances in which he has told lies, not by mistake, but flat out lies about something. Hmm.. Can’t seem to think of any and if there were any, don’t you think the MSM would be all over them, broadcasting those lies over and over until Romney looked like the worst liar in the history of the world?? Romney is not the demon – lite you guys are making him out to be. He’s not perfect and I disagree with some of his stances, but he is most definitely better than Obama and is an honorable man. We need honor back in the White House.

Hey Glen go fuck yourself, you are what’s wrong with the republican party.

Amen. Well said Mdlwoods. Kirschwassmerman’s comment reminds me of a little child who just can’t understand an adult’s reasoning. “Why did you shave your brothers head?”..and she says, “But I want what i want and i want it now and besides he hit me first and stuck out his tongue at me and said I was a weener-faced monkey’s hinny!” The adult always asks, “You didn’t hear a word I said, did you?” Geez. I really worry about this country.

I wonder if Glen Beck is going to cry like the little baby he is.

when will people see this and vote 3rd party to send current politricktions a message

You can’t, Glenn Beck is a liar.

Go stand in the corner while the country goes down the tubes. How did your principle work out for you in 2008?

Yep, a vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil. It’s too bad there aren’t more people with a back bone, it’s clear Glenn Beck is a spineless douche bag.

tldr;

Good one Beavis.

Clearly you don’t understand how the electoral college works.

I hope you will read and consider “IS There A Right Way To Vote? My Personal Response To Ron Paul Supporters.” here.. http://kjv-truth-ministries.org/?page_id=658 God bless!

Take your rhetoric somewhere else, I’m not interested. I live in the real world.

You make assumptions about what I believe but you’re not intelligent enough to read what I believe, It’s all out in the open here.

I’ll vote for the person who has the best chance of winning the election and the best chance to change the direction this Nation is heading in. You on the other hand will vote for someone who will never get elected and have absolutely no impact on the direction this country is heading in.

Who’s more likely to change things, me or you?

Like I said, I’m not interested in your rhetoric, I live in reality. You go and throw away your vote and end up with 4 more years of Obama because you’re stuck on stupid.

When all of those things happen then we will know to blame people like you mdlwoods who did not realize they were only supporting the same broken system rather then trying to do new things better things to fix it Romney is no different then Obama http://youtu.be/IWDJEc92d38 he says one thing and does another and has an excellent track record of doing just that why would you consider voting for a person like that when there is a candidate that does what he says and has a history of cutting spending balancing budgets and increasing profits one who garners support from both dems and repubs when you split the Gary Johnson vote we will blame you because you voted for a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And I repeat your statement “Please, do not do the first to our country. It is not only yours but it is mine also, my kids, your kids. Can you
imagine what this nation will look like after 4 more years of Obama???”

idiot

Watch out for the glass.

Voting for Johnson, sorry Glenn. Romney doesn’t reflect what I believe in, and will continue to erode my liberty. He will just do it at somewhat slower pace than Obama, not acceptable. Johnson may have no chance at winning, but I have foregone the “lesser of two evils” mentality. Backing evil is never good, regardless of whether it’s “lesser” or not.

One thing that is common in all countries that have more than two parties holding seats in their legislatures is that they are weak and unable to decide on anything. They always have to make coalitions with other parties in which they do not agree just to have a majority. It sounds nice to have more than two parties, but watch what you wish for as it might come true.

@Preacher Cruz- I just read and heard your religious blog on Ron Paul and YOUR VERSION of what is GODS WORD and what scripture say in regards to Ron Paul, all while trying to explain how you have been berated by many non- humble Ron Paul supporters sir(Irony). I respect your right to believe in your God the way you choose, but one of the unspoken commandments is “thou shall keep thy religion to thy self”. The moment you try and push your views of what is the TRUE word of God on another you are no different than the angry atheist that are SOOOO convinced that creationist are wrong. I personally believe both philosophies can exist and in many way support each other. But as the great Mahatma Gandhi once said- “The problems with my Christian friends is they are so un-christ like”. I do not agree with your version of drugs, morality, and control over the masses. That is as Mr. Beck always points out “Social Justice”, and “Collective salvation”. If we are to follow the teachings of Jesus christ, then we understand it is up to us ALONE, as INDIVIDUALS to live righteously. I only share that because you felt you needed to share your version with me. Truth be told, I support your RIGHT to believe ANYTHING you choose to believe, but im sorry your moral connection through scripture and Dr. Paul are COMPLETELY inconsistent with what I have discovered myself and choose to believe. However, i do appreciate that you are trying to do good, and maybe enlighten some people as to their spiritual connection to their political world view. But in all honesty this thread really had NOTHING to do with religion. But as HUMBLY as I can honestly say this thank you for your efforts, and God Bless you in your search and journey for the truth, but I am sorry to say that we are just simply at odds on this topic. God Bless you again sir, and this is one Ron Paul supporter that WILL NOT insult you. Perhaps maybe you could read some of my opinions on this matter and it will help you to either strengthen or question your own beliefs. Have a beautiful day.

George Bush claimed to be conservative, and would be for smaller government, and wouldn’t engage in nation building. He was a big fat liar. What makes you think Romney isn’t pulling the same bait and switch? Especially considering his background. Republicans are like Lucy from Peanuts, holding the football for the voters, Charlie Brown. Mark my words, Romney will spend nearly as much money, be just as much of a warmonger, and will not repeal Obamacare. He will make good excuses as to why he can’t, to fool people, but watch and see.

Glenn, you lead with insult and you finish with insult. Not sure what planet your from, but you might not want to try to persuade people with liberal persuasion tactics. I used to respect you, but you, your associates, your peers, and everyone who wasn’t brave enough to stand up with the right choice, Ron Paul, don’t deserve any cooperation. I lay the responsibility of re-electing Obama squarely on your shoulders and the rest of the aforementioned people who did not have the backbone to stand up against the obviously corrupt GOP. No sir, it is you and your like who have doomed us, and now you want good honest men of high character to lower themselves and follow you off the same cliff we have been headed towards for decades, only slightly more slowly than Obama will take us? In the truest sense of the words, give me liberty, or give me death. Let’s see if you and the rest of the MSM who claim to love God and Country have the fortitude to actually fight, suffer, and even die for what you claim to believe in. I see only more ample opportunity for you and the rest to make profit from the demise of our country with more books that “almost” demonstrate a sincere love for this country and the desire to restore it to being THE world leader, not one of them.

Well I appreciate I suppose you claiming to “dumb it down” for me, but again it doesn’t really make a whole of sense if someone is of a specific political party and affiliation that the support stops when their particular candidate isn’t chosen. I listened to Ron Paul again yesterday, he isn’t he says for Obama another 4 years but wants to ‘pick’ at reasons not wanting to support Romney and quite frankly, the reasons are still vague, which although I had liked what Mr. Paul had mentioned in some areas I realize there is a lot of ideas not always considered ‘main stream’, it still doesn’t make sense that if you want the Republican party to sit in the White House for at least 4 years, then why find a way to unravel it via lack of support for any reason…..unless this is another Nader tactic (Oh I’m a bit smarter than one would think….) seen it before and the sole purpose is to attach itself from within the party, divide and hopes to bring success to the other party for another 4 years…. of course its also a probability that with the number of supporters the candidate who wasn’t chosen just doesn’t respect the party of affiliation and is so self centered he would never back another fellow candidate no matter what thereby refusing his experience to find a place within the party possibly elected and keeping all to himself and those ‘supporters’ that great ‘secret’ of what should have been…..that is what you’re saying.

Just to dispel one falsehood that Beck is pushing here: I’m not voting for Ron Paul. He is not available for me to vote for. That leaves either Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. I will do my own research to figure out which one I want to vote for. If they are similar enough, I will vote for the one most likely to win.

Romney is not small government. No one who promises x-number of jobs is for small government, because the government cannot control jobs but it sounds like he’d use the government to try, anyway. He will not rein in the Fed. He is supported by bankers. He supported the bailouts. Like Obama, he will not succeed in saving our country from our own financial ruin, nor will he protect us from the coming world war. He does not support the Constitution. No one who would sign the NDAA as written would protect our civil rights.

It would be very difficult to vote for Romney.

Yes, Obama is horrible, and his next 4 years will be even more horrible. I think the kingmakers of the GOP want Obama to win, which was why they supported Romney. Romney never, ever had a chance of winning against Obama, which was something we Paulites have been saying for a long, long time. This call to rally behind someone that few believe in and few trust rings hollow.

Question for all ye Beck listeners: did he cover the blatant corruption that happened before and during the Republican National Convention? You know, where entire states were refused their duly elected seats simply for being Paul supporters, where “No” votes were ignored, rules that crush grassroots efforts were passed, an entire bus of delegates were kidnapped so they couldn’t vote, etc? If he openly condemned the blatant rigging done by the RNC and the Romney campaign, I’d be willing to listen to give Beck the benefit of a doubt.

I know this article was not written for the Paulites, because the Paulites actually believe in something and will not be swayed. This article is written for those who listen to Beck and follow him. You need a scapegoat to blame for choosing to support a fraud. Sure, try and blame the Paulites, refusing to see your own dishonesty. No excuse you come up with will justify your support of a liar and a cheat who promises more war.

Romney can’t win because of things he had done during this election cycle, let alone things he had done in the past. He cannot win because he cannot promise to simultaneously rein in spending yet be more militant than we already are. Maybe you should follow principle and not the compromised opinion-makers and support someone who isn’t a cheat? Maybe then an honest man would get the votes needed to win against Obama. If nothing else, you’d be able to justify your vote before God. It’s your choice.

Glenn Beck will never vote Democrat. Therefore, in a two party system, he will always vote Republican. He will never vote third party either. He says he is independent, but what does that mean? In his case, it means he will always vote Republican. As an independent myself, and Ron Paul supporter this time, it is my choice to vote for Gary Johnson now that Paul is no longer running. Glenn is completely wrong about Romney. He just hates Obama with such a passion that he will support Obama Lite (status quo). Glenn needs to get behind the conservative congress nominees like Sarah Palin and Ron Paul if he really wants to make a difference. What Beck forgets is that Romney will be controlled by the puppet masters. Beck is the one who told us all about them on his Fox News program. Beck is getting harder and harder for me to follow these days.

@mdlwoods-Im sorry, but your answer is to play a game that is broken and corrupt. The time for these changes and to play the game the way you describe is long over. The right thing to do now is to STAND for what you believe. DO NOT BE LUKE WARM! Put that effort in preparing for what coming because even RP couldn’t stop the collapse. It was about time and the CONSTITUTION, and the PEOPLE, not a politician, and getting our families and finances secure enough to maybe survive in the future. ROMNEY AINT IT!! He has ALREADY shown he is Obama 2.0. Don’t play the game you guys CLAIM to understand and know about PROGRESSIVES. Either you did the homework or not but don’t tell me my principles are a cost to this nation. I could just as easily say your APATHY is a greater cost! I WILL NOT tell you who to vote for. You want to vote Romney go ahead, God Bless you. But ME- Im voting for the person that BEST fits my values and PRINCIPLES. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams quote

Amen, and thank you. You are an honest person.

What you need to understand is that Obama and Romney are both controlled by the establishment, the puppet masters as Beck stated many times. That is how they are the same. As individuals, they are completely different, but that doesn’t matter any more, does it?

If Romney had been honest, we’d be happy to support him. But as it is, the Ron Paul supporters have been shoved out of the GOP. This article wasn’t written to persuade us, who have been abused by the GOP, but to proving a scapegoat: instead of blaming themselves for alienating a significant portion of voters through their fraud and underhanded tactics, they blame those who disagreed with them. No honest person who sees what the RNC had done, and what the GOP and the Romney campaign have done, could support such corruption.

The RNC has passed rules that will already change our republic, rules that will allow the establishment to stomp down on grassroots movements. Regardless of if it’s Obama or Romney who wins, the results will be the same. The dollar will collapse, wars will escalate, the constitution will continue to be shredded, and our country will not be the same.

Go ahead. Blame the scapegoat. The results will be the same.

Beck is a mindless drone. He is made people morally people refuse to support an immoral buffoon like Obama. If Beck has a real argument he should use it instead of calling people names and using logical fallacies.

Funny. Romney lost to McCain, who lost to Obama. Ron Paul appeals to lost of different kinds of people, because freedom is popular. Ron Paul, statistically, logically, was the greater threat to Obama. Romney has already proven himself incapable of beating Romney, so why bother supporting him?

Ron Paul supporters = convenient scapegoat

Thanks, Glenn Beck, and the kingmakers who support you and give you your news. Way to cover your own cowardly, dishonest hind ends.

Dear Glenn Beck. You’re a spineless, greasy, back room deal making, crooked former crackhead turned mormon tyrant. I can say that, because it’s not only true, but I come from a mormon family. Not just that, I am RELATED TO ROMNEY AND I WILL NEVER SUPPORT HIM. He is a good BUSINESS MAN, he doesn’t understand shit about the constitution, as it would also appear that you don’t either. DARE to support a politician with actually principle. I will give my vote to whomever and whenever I want you loser ass crackhead. I will never support a man who thinks that the NDAA is a great thing, and whom believes that their own personal beliefs rides high over the rights of others. So let it be known, the people whom support Dr. Paul, we will never stop. We could only be as to be so lucky to have this man in our nation, and bless him for being this concerned about the country that he keeps on trying. Romney is just going to help his special interest buddies get more laws passed, and the exact same for Obama. I am voting for Gary Johnson because HE IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR A CANDIDATE AND THE BEST QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB OF THE CHOICES WE HAVE AND SHAME ON YOU CRACKHEAD BECK FOR BACKING UP THE EXACT SAME MACHINE THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR OBAMA TO GET INTO OFFICE!

This is just blatant hypocrisy on Beck’s part.

I’m a Beck fan. I will continue to be a Beck fan unless he fundamentally betrays the core beliefs we both stand for. This doesn’t do that. However, this is related in nature to that kind of betrayal. Beck himself, crying over what he believed to be the future of America unless we all improved, said “vet your candidate!” and “no more voting for the lesser of two evils… it’s still evil!” and “vote on principle!” and “don’t vote one way or another because I say to or someone else says to!” and “I’ll never tell you who to vote for” and “I refuse to campaign for anyone”… etc… etc… etc…

I vetted Romney years ago. I vetted him in the 2008 campaign. I went deeper in 2011. I *was* completely open to voting for Romney *if* he had exhibited a sincere profound change since 2008. He had not. In fact, all I found was mountains of evidence of him lying about his positions in the past. Not exaggerating, not spinning, not embellishing – LYING.

And how, HOW?! how do any of you reconcile his support for the NDAA 2012 bill? Romney was/is the most ardent supporter of this bill of anyone with media access. How do you reconcile this?

And now we’re all supposed to forget our principles? Now we’re supposed to vote for someone not based on their record or their stated positions but instead on the fact that they spared some of their ample wealth to help out other people? Does anything Romney has done as a politician and as a public official take away from what he has done as a husband and father and uncle and cousin… as a family man? No. Do any of the things he has done in his public life take away from the charity he has shown in his private life? No. But for God’s sake people, does anything he does good negate that he doesn’t resemble anything of what we want our candidate to be? The good done by the right hand does not negate the sins committed by the left hand.

We’re not talking about small issues here. We’re talking about someone that used to brag about how little he had to do with the Republican Party because it would have reflected badly on him in the liberal circles he had always circulated in. We’re talking about someone who ran *against* Reagan’s legacy. We’re talking about someone who supported a Democrat for Presidential candidacy, a Democrat that was an outspoken proponent of forced population control. We’re talking about a man whose wealthy personal friends and professional friends support him because they believe he’ll *RAISE* taxes and strongly believes it’s the role of government to take control over climate change!

Romney has a clear history of ridiculing and distancing himself from Conservatives and Libertarians. Before this, YOU WERE A BUMPER STICKER JOKE TO HIM! And now, because he has won the Republican nomination you’re going to vote for him? Why? Because Obama is a worse monster? You have over three hundred million people to vote for and you’re going to allow yourselves to be narrowed down to voting for either Romney or Obama? That’s YOUR choice, not all there is, and the onus is on you.

I tell you now that if either Obama or Romney ends up being President of this country, you have fulfilled the prophecies of our Founding Fathers and you do not deserve either liberty or security. You deserve the bonds of tyranny that you have chosen for yourselves. There are no excuses anymore. This is on you.

The Hebrews were held as slaves against their will in bondage in Egypt. God delivered them from the Egyptians. The founders of this country created a haven from tyranny by the grace of God. Will you choose bondage after our ancestors were delivered from it and shed their blood consecrating it and to preserve it? If this is to be I do not believe there will be another deliverance and exodus.

After all our struggles… what a profoundly tragic end.

Yeah, this is something I don’t get, the same goes for Paul as well. People keep on screaming “It’ll rip the Republican vote in two and Obama will WIN!” when in reality a lot of that same base that was for Obama the first time and other anti-war Democrats are planning to vote for Paul as well. Although something tells me that if Romney wins because of a split vote we wont be thanked.

Glen what you fail to realize is that both Romney and Obama are establishment selected candidates . There is no difference between them and Obama can’t do anymore damage to this country in the next 4 years than Romney will do in 8 .. As a Ron Paul supporter I cannot bow down and support the RNC / GOP the Romney campaign after this primary season of lying , cheating , breaking bones… The way they treated Ron Paul at the Convention by stripping him of his delegates, All the evil deeds carried out to make sure Ron Paul never gained traction and that Romney was shoved down our throats.. All those deeds cannot go unpunished… We cannot allow the GOP to get away with these evil deeds by supporting them… They MUST lose this election so then maybe then next time they will not disenfranchise us and ignore us and black us out and break our bones and strip our delegates .. Only then may they learn…. These are growing pains Glenn and if Obama has to win a second term to teach the GOP a lesson than I am happy to part of it. And whoever that guy on your show was that said don’t vote for Gary Johnson because he can’t win , well we don’t vote for people based on their ability to win , We vote for the best candidate PERIOD , Regardless of his chances….. It’s comments and thinking like that , that keeps us all under the illusion of the false left right paradigm…

I remember not too many months ago you on TV talking about how you cannot support Romney or Gingrich and here you are towing the line for them… You are selling out like the rest of them and you are buying into this myth that Romney can save us from Obama … Obama is no more a threat to the Nation than Romney is… One marches us towards socialism and other marches us towards Tyranny and fascism ……. You think Romney talks to God? The God he talks to is no more relevant than talking to Rock . Mormons are a Cult and any God that they are talking to is the Devil .

Agreed, in that at least with Obama many people opened their eyes….if Romney wins, they will simply go back to sleep thinking everything’s ok again. Meanwhile, either winner will be following the UN’s Agenda 21 instead of returning to the Constitution. The damage is already done, the last thing we need is someone to tell us it’s all gonna be alright without making any corrections to the FED.

Are you serious??
Here’s 20 minutes of Romney lies…err flip flops – out of his own mouth. If it were one or two stances, I get it, people change their minds but this guy’s just unreal.
As far as Obamacare goes, he actually says repeal and replace, with what? Romneycare?
The Ultimate Mitt Romney Flip-Flop Collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
Still Voting For ‘Mitt Romney’?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c
Mitt Romney Flip Flops TWICE in 24 Hours on Obamacare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVWo2VeCyLo

HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE? GOOGLE: ALBERT PIKES 3 WORLD WARS LETTER, OR REMAIN YOUR MORONIC SELF AND KEEP LISTENING TO THE BANKER TOOL.

YOU ARE IN A JEWISH MASONIC PRISON. THE FED IS 8 JEWISH MASONIC FAMILIES. YOU OR I CANNOT BUY STOCK. ONLY THE FAMS CAN. YOU PAY 100% ON INTEREST. NOT ONE CENT GOES TO AMERICAS SERVICES. YOU STUPID STUPID WEAK PEOPLE. BECK IS THEIR AGENT. THEY DIDN’T GIVE US A CHOICE FOR PRES. THEY CHEAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU STILL DON’T GET IT? HAHAHAHAH

Ken – The same way that Van Jones and Bill mahrer call themselves libertarian. Problem is that none of them trully understand what it means. In Becks’ case maybe he does understand he is just not paid to carry that message, He is paid to dilute and co-opt that message. Hence we hear Beck talking about many logical analysises but then drawing completely dillusional conclusions. Being against nation building but encouraging it?! libertarianism is conservatism with the distinction simply being the principle of non-agression. Hence Beck logical analysis mutated by the controlled conclusion of Santorum?! Now Romney…

Fine, Glenn. Ron Paul is not going to be President.
Gary Johnson is not going to be President. Anyway, I live in Oklahoma, and thanks to our ass-covering donkey and elephant parties and the insane ballot-access laws they have passed, no third-party candidate has been on the ballot for President since 2000, nor are write-in votes permitted or counted.
My choices are Romney and Obama. I WILL LEAVE MY BALLOT BLANK before I vote for either of those banker-fellating, Constitution-defiling hacks.
Any questions?

Right after the Supreme Court decision to uphold Obamacare I wavered. For a few days I was considering voting for Romney. But, knowing all I know about him there’s just no way I could bring myself to vote for him. The RNC debacle only reinforced how I already felt.

We can not, in good conscience, vote for someone who so obviously clashes with what we believe in.

You say don’t believe the lie that so and so can’t win, but then tell the Ron Paul followers they are stupid to vote for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul, well I will NEVER vote for a totalitarian like Romney OR Obama. The lie is that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. I will follow your advice and not believe the lies. Which leads me to a vote for Liberty……and that vote cannot be with Rombama.

Perhaps my previous post was a bit…raw – so I’ll try to make the point using (borrowed) humor.
“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see….”
“You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
“No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the l…izards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in.”
Douglas Adams, in So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish (1984)
izards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in.”
Douglas Adams, in So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish (1984)

Beautifully put.

I’d LOVE to know where Ron Paul was ever spiteful, anywhere. I’m not talking about his followers, but Ron Paul himself. Refusing to endorse a progressive isn’t spite.

Obama has tried to “gun grab”. Don’t diminish the man’s efforts… Oh, how he has tried. He may get an “Incomplete” (We shall see. One can hope.) for his overall grade, but on the subject of gun control he gets an “A” for effort.

And as for raising taxes, he *has* raised taxes. The tax impositions just haven’t been directly on Income Tax. Instead, it has been through trade taxes, regulation fees, licensing fees, etc…

You’re right about the result though. Romney does not represent an improvement. Just a different angle on collectivism.

Beck isn’t a scam artist. He’s just misguided. He’s so focused on eliminating the threat posed to us all by the Obama Administration that he is blinded to the fallacy it is to support Romney in opposition to Obama. It doesn’t excuse him, but he’s most definitely not trying to scam anyone.

As complicated as it all is, it’s also still just as simple as that. Turd sandwich with mayo vs. turd sandwich with mustard.

I don’t have to and will not choose a turd sandwich.

Same here.

I’d believe that, except for what happened at the Republican National convention. Judging from that, Romney wouldn’t listen to libertarian ideals, either. Oh, how I wish that Romney had demonstrated himself to be a better man!

Hey Korflock, I suggest you get a copy of Gary Johnson’s interview with “Weekly Standard” last year. In it hes says he supports military intervention in “humanitarian” wars. And he would have to “evaluate” bringing home our troops around the world. In 2000, W Bush was more of a peace candidate than that. But yes, GJ won’t win and it will send a message if he gets a lot of votes. Just don’t kid yourself and read this man’s weasel words as a rEVOLution candidate.

The biggest problem we have is our budget. Romney hasn’t proposed any cuts. Jesus, he’s talking about spending even more on the military. How is this ‘small governmnt’ as Mr. Beck calls Romney? Have we conservatives lost our use of reason and logic? And don’t get me started on Paul Ryan, the great conservative hope. His great budget plan doesn’t balance the budget for 30 years, i.e. he cuts nothing. Paul Ryan also voted for TARP and the auto bailouts. The idea that we have some great choice ths election is a farce. And people like Beck who say that we must vote for Romney and there is a choice have lost me. They have either lost their use of reason and logic, or they are trying to fool us. Either way I don’t trust them any more.

We tried to warn guys like Beck that we don’t need them, they need us. They just kept shutting us out, calling Ron a nut, resorting to thuggery. So now they Have to lie in the bed they made. We didn’t make it, they made it. and to say its our fault if bammy gets elected again……get real! they always have to have someone to blame don’t they? they can start with themselves.

You actually make some good arguements for voting for Obama mdlwoods. Romney’s support of NDAA is unequivical. That does’t strike me as a liberty candidate. But he would push us into war with Iran even faster than Obama is doing. And he would spend more money overseas on a wars and bribes program. With him we would need our guns.

You split the vote obama wins then he will get the latitude he was talking about in the hot mike.We just had a primary here and the candidate that should have won lost because of a third person.We might not agree on everything but we must agree that we cannot give obama 4 more years.Your money will go to abortions and illegals which equates to less americans and more non-americans. Let us agree to disagree, but for our countries sake vote obama OUT.

Duopolist presstitutes like Glenn Beck are TERRIFIED of four things..

1.)
the fact that the Gary Johnson is consistently polling across the
country at a higher percentage than the margin of defeat between Obamney
and Obamney..

2.)
The fact that this positions the libertarians as becoming THE SWING VOTE in future
elections which will FORCE politicians to start appealing to our base by
adopting our principles into their platforms in order to win..

3.) the fact that this directly threatens the future political hegemony of the neocon duopoly that’s being used to disenfranchise the American voter from the political process..

and
4.) the fact that it’s been proven than just 10% of a population believing in something strongly
enough is enough to reach a critical mass point where the ideas of that
10% suddenly spread like wildfire and become the mainstream view.. i.e.
if we don’t fall for the establishment bs like that being spewed by Glenn Beck here we’re on track to end
the neocon empires nefarious reign over American politics.. KEEP PUSHING LIBS! We’re winning FAR more of a victory here than the presstitutes will ever willingly admit to ’til they themselves have no choice but to come to our side or lose all their viewers!

http://phys.org/news/2011-07-minority-scientists-ideas.html

That was a trap they set for him and the libertarians as a whole.. that was dead in the middle of the Kony debacle, which turned out to be a fraud.. They wanted to frame the libertarian party as isolationist.. rather than non-interventionist. He also just says that he wants to use caution in the way that they’re brought home in order to prevent power vacuums from turning into full on wars that we’re ultimately responsible for due to our having created the power vacuum in the first place. I agree that he’s not of the same caliber as Paul.. but compared to Obamney? He’s a head, shoulder and waistline above those lying, sociopath, neocon, war mongers.

If you have children then i”m sure they will thank you for having a chance for a correction and doing nothing. How has that hope and change worked for you?. I only hope i have some change left if you do what you”ve said.

The whole sharia law thing is fear mongering.. it can’t be established as it violates our basic human rights that are protected by the U.S. Constitution and to establish it would violate the establishment of religion clause. Romney is just as much for gun control.. and a vote for either of the two is a vote to keep a divide and conquer pseudo two party duopoly in charge that is designed to disenfranchise the U.S. voter from the political process. they always make it close ON PURPOSE in order to get people to be afraid of things like you are so that they’ll stay HOOKED into this bs two party political scheme.

No, we don’t agree on that, if you can come back here and give me one major difference between Obama and Romney – BESIDES rhetoric, and I mean major policy change, not some BS tinker with tax code garbage – I might listen to what you have to say.

No, you will be explaining to them why you didn’t vote for Ron Paul, Romney, once he loses, will be forgotten overnight, I still bug my parents as to why they didn’t support Goldwater, your kids will read Ron’s books, hear his speeches on Youtube, and you will have alot of explaining to do.

You have a false and baseless faith in our media. You assume they are obligated to tell the truth and say what should be said based upon what’s right. the reality is that the media is controlled by globalists that are part and parcel to the BS two party political scheme that’s a blatant divide and conquer strategy designed to marginalize and disenfranchise the U.S. voter by luring them into false, fear based “vote for this guy cuz he’s not that guy!” propaganda.. Both parties support the same policies. the differences are superficial and meaningless. Vote two party and your voting for style and which mouthpiece you want doling out your fascism.

The word is DEMAGOGUE my friend.. and both Romney and Obama are BOTH, most certainly demagogues.. I’d go so far as to call them flat out SOCIOPATHIC CON MEN.

WOW! Where do I being. Why don’t I believe Romney will do what he says? Gee, I don’t know, maybe because HE IS THE BIGGEST FLIP-FLOPPER IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS!!! If you can’t find any Romney lies you are completely hopeless as a human being.

Nice ad hominem attack. (i.e. logical fallacy) ..Way to disprove nothing Brent said. Good Job! ..at failing. (just a little of your own medicine)

Lets just stand for america this time not for a slogan or the fuzzy feeling that chris mathews got because there is the first black american in office. I”m a hispanic american and if the president was hispanic and did what obama has done i would vote his sorry ass out. It is not your nationality that counts it is your feeling for this country of ours,we the people of the united states in order to form a more perfect union, do ORDAIN and establish this CONSTITUTION for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Please do not let these words be empty.

You’re ignoring some VERY IMPORTANT realities..

1.)
the fact that the Gary Johnson is consistently polling across the
country at a higher percentage than the margin of defeat between Obamney
and Obamney..

2.)
The fact that this positions us as becoming THE SWING VOTE in future
elections which will FORCE politicians to start appealing to our base by
adopting our principles into their platforms in order to win..

3.) the fact that this threatens the political hegemony of the neocon duopoly..

and
4.) the fact that 10% of a population believing in something strongly
enough is enough to reach a critical mass point where the ideas of that
10% suddenly spread like wildfire and become the mainstream view.. i.e.
if we don’t fall for the establishment bullshit we’re on track to end
the neocon empire’s nefarious, social Darwinist, duopoly based, divide and conquer reign over American politics.

That said.. re-posted from some wise poster above..

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may
cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” – John
Quincy Adams

You might be right, but he is not running.You have seen what obama has done, lets move on to someone else who is running.The socialist agenda has not worked anywhere.

Why don’t Beck and Pat Gray go back to insulting or ignoring Ron Paul supporters the way they have been for months prior to the nomination? Look at it this way, Glenn. Romney is such a bad candidate that we’re doing you a favor by not voting for him because you’re the one who is going to be in the position of having to defend Romney’s weak and evil policies, should he be elected.

I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am mad as hell at how he was treated at the RNC. I am also a Republican Committee person in my town. I am certainly not going to be voting for Obama nor will I be voting for Gary Johnson as I do not agree with his personal views on abortion (he is pro-choice). I am not sure I can vote for Romney at this point. But it won’t matter because I live in NY State and Obama is going to win here regardless of how I vote.

Glenn, it is stu ped to insult the people you want to vote for your candidate. Me thinks you are the ones who have the RP fetish. But I will vote for Mitt cause he’s the only choice, not my choice.

I just wish Mitt would say what he really feels, hot mic or not. I’d like to think he meant everything he said in that moment of candor.

People still listen to this assclown, really?

The notion of Romney being the next George Washington is just ludicrous.

If you practiced HALF of the horseshit that came out of your mouth you would have supported Ron Paul from the start. YOU and your fellow “out for profit” political shills split the vote by continuously supporting a man who is in everything aside from social issues and rhetoric…exactly the same man as Obama. Don’t blame us that Romney doesn’t have a chance in hell. Maybe instead of spending the entire Paul campaign telling us how “unelectable” he was, you should have supported him instead of a man who truly IS unelectable. Mitt Romney will get no votes except from the ignorant masses that are too stupid or lazy to research issues and realize that there isn’t enough daylight between him and Obama to light the space between their ears.

I hope you don’t mean Romney.

Glenn Beck is just far more focused on the defeat of Obama than he is on the qualities of his choice of candidates. In doing so, he’s looking for reasons to believe in his candidate instead of vetting his candidate objectively. He’s ignoring what should be fundamental conflicts with Romney in favor of propping him up as a better alternative to the worst case scenario. He may be wrong in doing so, but he’s not a shill, he’s not a traitor, he’s not a fake or a fraud… This guy has risked much for the cause of liberty. Have you people forgotten where he has been, what he has done, and what he has said? Disagree with him if you must, but do not misrepresent him. Do not tear him down simply because you disagree with him. Attack the fallacies of the position, not the man.

Find someone you can believe in and write-in their name. Vote in good conscience. That is what matters most.

Your response is the epitome of ignorance of the republican party and the republican voters.

The premise of your response is the assumption that Obama and Romney are significantly different and that Romney is the only one that can save us.

Please then, give me specific significant differences between Obama and Romney.

Who do we blame? The people who compromised their beliefs and voted for someone simply because they felt he was the lesser of two evils. We know this doesn’t work (Look at John McCain), so I know who I’m going to blame- all those who voted for someone simply because he wasn’t Obama. I suddenly everyone in this country voted their conscious and not compromise their beliefs, Gary Johnson would win and freedom would return.

It essentially comes down to this: Romney has no more respect for the Constitution than the fact that its existence allows for him to be voted in as POTUS.

Don’t forget, superfly. Ron Paul founded the Tea Party. The Tea Party is a grass roots organization of freedom loving people. Not all those in the Tea Party are Republicans or conservatives.

mossad not muslims did 9/11/01

If Romney wins and the results are the same (and I believe they will), everyone will NOT be looking for a Republican to win in 2016.

Good, then you’ll be voting for Gary Johnson then, right?

If Romney really wants the Ron Paul vote, right now he’d make a vow to include Ron Paul in his cabinet. Fire Bernanke and give his job to Ron Paul, that is probably the only way to avoid splitting the vote.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Keep dreaming landofaahs. lol If Romney could say what he was really thinking he would say, fuck all you little people below me, I just want power and money. Romney and Obama are propped up by the same special interest i.e. Goldman Sachs (a shareholder in the Fed as well as a receiver of bailout money). Romney, father of Obamacare, and a supporter of ABORTION in the early 90s, a former democrat as well, supported measures of gun control, and like Obama, supports the PATRIOT Act and the NDAA as well as the bailouts and TARP. Need I say more?

I just wanted to give my two cents for what they’re worth. FUCK OBAMA AND FUCK ROMNEY. FUCK THE TSA, THE NDAA, THE PATRIOT ACT, UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARS, THE DEPARTMENT F HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL, FUCK ALL YOU LOW LIFE BANKSTER SCUMBAGS WHO’VE HIJACKED OUR GOVERNMENT. Long live the R3volution

That’s nonsense! We vote our conscience, we vote “FOR” something, not simply “against” someone. The reason we have a two party dictatorship is because of people like you who claim that if we vote for our principles we will cause the destruction of America. If Romney can’t earn my vote, then its HIS fault that Obama wins again. We are sick and tired of compromising on our values out of fear that the worst of two evils will win instead of the lesser. Romney/Obama=Tyranny and economic collapse! Vote for Liberty, Peace, and Prosperity. Not the lesser of two evils. One last question, has voting the lesser of two evils ever worked in our favor?

Consider the vote split. Insults, fraud, and more insults–voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil. No. By all that is holy, do NOT vote for Romney.

No apologies necessary and I thank you for your kind words.

BUT! (There is that dreaded proverbial word)

I am genuinely curious how you propose one principle while promoting the abandonment of other principles, namely our Founding Principles? Why adhere to any principles if they are meant to be discarded at anytime? Or are the Founding Principles not your principles?

Sorry to have to ask but I am finding that the case with a few people on Disqus and find it troubling. In asking these questions, I am hoping it will cause people to self-reflect and correct course if need be. No offense meant.

If we abandon the Founding Principles out of fear then the Country we all proclaim to love will die. It is dying as we speak because of this very thing that has been allowed to grow and fester at the very heart of our Nation. There is only one real solution, hold fast to the Founding Principles and meet whatever evil that opposes us head on. Not by closing our eyes and appeasing the very things that will lead to our destruction.

Our Founder knew that standing on principle would lead to war. While some wanted to live under the tyranny of England and others didn’t care one way or the other, our Founding Fathers stood on their principles and fought for Liberty. In turn, they passed them onto the next generation and so on.

To do any less is not only a disservice to them but to all that came before us and to future generations.

Moral courage is not caring what others think, say or treat you, it’s doing what you know in your heart is right. As long as it is based in reason, principles and Virtue nothing can stop us for we are doing God’s Will. I think Patrick Henry exemplified this very point when he said:

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

-Patrick Henry

Link to the full speech here
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/henry.htm

Think about that, “I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

They could have sought appeasement and waited for the next King of England who might not be as bad, then again could be even worse, thank God they did not.

I ask and invite all to close their eyes to Party affiliations and judge the three candidates on their records and policies. Fmr Gov. Johnson of New Mexico, Fmr Gov. Romney of Massachusetts and Fmr Senator and President Obama all have records they cannot run from. Stop believing the corrupt media and their polls because it’s not just the mainstream media you have to be careful about. As Reagan always said, “Trust, but verify”.

Only with our Principles can this country be saved and with Virtue can we prosper. Without them we are nothing but divided. Beware the very people that say we must abandon them and please don’t mistake principles for opinions.

“A principle is a law or rule that has to be, or usually is to be followed, or can be desirably followed, or is an inevitable consequence of something, such as the laws observed in nature or the way that a system is constructed. The principles of such a system are understood by its users as the essential characteristics of the system, or reflecting system’s designed purpose, and the effective operation or use of which would be impossible if any one of the principles was to be ignored.[1]“

@Lioness, What gripes my butt is that so few politicians seem to see the ”big picture”—they are focused only on the next couple of years, not how their actions will affect the next 20-30 years or so. Case in point: Obama’s healthcare plan. In theory it sounds good. But had any of those who voted for it had actually READ ALL of it, then they would have known the dangers it contained and the harm it would imposs on many people. And I fully agree with your last sentence. (Why is this typing so s l o w l y?)

Romney is SURROUNDED by Bush-era neo-cons too, which are using him to get back in the white house.

Mars, Romney was way down on my list of favorite candidates. However much you may dislike/mistrust him, in your heart of hearts, do you really think he will be the same as B.O.? This much I do know—I will not knowingly vote for a person who is not pro-life, such as B.O. (who has demonstrated that as an IL. senator.) These statements of Romney come from the Nat’l Right to Life—”I support the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions.” “I support the reversal of Roe v. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine. Roe was a misguided ruling that was the result of a small group of activist federal judges legislating from the bench.”

Sorry Beck, Gary Johnson 2012. And I also voted for Ted Cruz. Can’t swallow the pill and vote for Romney because of his shenanigans. That’s the problem.

I was told by a Texas delegate that the Tea Party has been hijacked by Republicans.

Liberty wing republicans will not vote for Romney. We’ve had it up to HERE with his cheating, Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare for crying out loud, he supported the NDAA and the clause giving president Obama the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely without due process, Romney and Paul Ryan BEGGED us for the massive taxpayer funded bailouts, Romney is the same as Obama. Both of them want more war, neither are willing to make any real change. Consider the vote split, and say hello to Obama for another 4 years. Good luck winning without us.

I would hardly classify the King James
Version as “MY version” of God’s word but I understand your point. If
you are trying to imply that my explaining my position is somehow the same as
others mocking me and insulting my intelligence or calling me evil repeatedly
for not agreeing with them, good luck but most people will see right through
that. I disagree COMPLETELY with your unspoken commandment. That commandment is
actually spoken almost every day and do you know who has the most to gain from
people heeding it? Satan. We are encouraged, admonished and instructed ALL
through the Bible to share the truth with the lost. If they refuse it or say
they don’t want to hear then we are absolved of responsibility.

This being an online and open forum
encompassing ALL views and beliefs I don’t think you get to tell me, or anyone
else for that matter, what we can say or post. I don’t support social justice
OR collective salvation. I also don’t support government legislating morality
for all people. That doesn’t mean that I don’t support or accept and wish to
conserve certain restrictions ALREADY in place for the good of our society and
not just myself.

I agree 100% that righteousness and a
relationship with Christ starts and ends with us as individuals. That doesn’t mean we don’t try to engage the
culture witness to the lost or help our fellow men. The point of my post was to share my PERSONAL
response to some of the things that I have heard in these discussions and to
give people MY take on what is right for me and my family. I NEVER said that you had to agree with me or
vote my way etc.

You said a mouthful when you wrote “Truth be told, I support your RIGHT to believe ANYTHING you
choose to believe, but im sorry your moral connection through scripture and Dr.
Paul are COMPLETELY inconsistent with what I have discovered myself and choose
to believe.” But I think the most important thing in that whole statement is
the bit at the end what you CHOOSE to believe.
My faith in Christ isn’t about what I CHOOSE to believe. My use of the KJV is not about what I CHOOSE
to believe it is about what I have found to be best and true through my own
research and experience.

You seem to suggest there should be some
wall between our political views and our spiritual or religious ones. I can’t help but disagree. IF we believe something thoroughly it impacts
and becomes a major part OF our worldview and influences how we see EVERYTHING. I pray God helps us both to live lives that
serve him and others. God bless you sir.

Beck and Pat Gray should just go back to ignoring and insulting Ron Paul supporters like they had been doing for months before the nomination. Ron Paul people are doing Glenn a favor by not voting for Romney because Gleen will be left in the position of having to defend Romney’s bad policies, should he be elected.

Wow that was hateful. I’m sorry it have offended you so much. I didn’t realize calling an apple an apple would upset you so much. I’m sorry. BTW I’ve been with my GF for 4 years and I am helping raise her kids so try again on your insults there.

Well if you look at the poles he takes more votes from Obama than Romney. I would almost wonder how many people are just not voting because they don’t like either “primary” candidate.

Nonsense. Don’t you understand English, take your rhetoric somewhere else. I’m not interested.

Well then…Let me put it this way. Ron Paul supporter support the Republican parties ideals before it was taking over by the christian right. Limited government, Pro freedom, pro free markets. Ron Paul supported those views. We are supporting the ideas that he stood for. What the republican party used to stand for before it was co-oped. We were hoping to get our Republican party back. That didn’t happen so now we are finding the person that best supports the ideas that we believe in. It’s not a we want Obama to win…Well at least its not for me. I am voting for my beliefs not because I want one or the other out of office. Win or loose I do not believe that our country would be better with Romney over obama. I believe they would send us to the same point. But this is america and we can have differing opinions.

Same here! IF Ron Paul is NOT on the Utah Ballot in November then Gary Johnson will 100% have my vote.

Come 2016 the Obama’s and Romney’s are going to have a harder time in the election process because the growing group of Independent Libertarian Middle is taking over the electorate.

Voting for Romney won’t change the course of America’s decline.

Those two clowns are different sides of the exact SAME coin.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same

yet you keep replying, Or don’t care for facts that prove contrary to what you believe.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same

@PreacherCruz:disqus – you said- “I don’t support social justice
OR collective salvation. I also don’t support government legislating morality
for all people. That doesn’t mean that I don’t support or accept and wish to
conserve certain restrictions ALREADY in place for the good of our society and
not just myself”.

THAT IS HYPOCRISY SIR! You just talked yourself into a circle!
What do you mean when you say- “You would hardly call the King James version of the bible “Your version”? Are you saying it is the only TRUE word of god?
When you question if I am implying that somehow” your position is somehow the same as others mocking you and insulting your intelligence or calling you evil” well sir you ARE trying to make the connection that THEY are all those things through your blog and your interpretation of scripture, and how misguided they themselves are. SO that would lead a person to make the assessment that you are being arrogant and prideful in your opinion of their beliefs. Something I believe is as the King james bible points out- a sin. FYI. Also people do tend to get rude when you tell them that their belief in God and politics is completely wrong. Which you kinda are doing weather your aware of it or not. IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE SIR, just pointing out the facts here.
Oh the unspoken commandment thing. Certainly I DO NOT wish to silence yours or ANYONES views of God. I welcome all INTELLIGENT and HUMBLE points. I WISH TO KNOW AS MUCH AS I CAN ON THIS TOPIC. However, when you tell someone that they are WRONG and use YOUR VERSION of scripture to do so, than you MUST know your going to offend people and get some arguments on the topic. I believe sense you bring it up, that the ONLY thing we are required to do if we believe in God is reassure people that he is real. NOT by telling them so, but by asking the tough questions we ourselves haven’t yet proven or discovered. You would be better to tend your flock with kindness and humility, rather than pride and the rod.
When you said I said a” mouth full using the word CHOOSE” you again contradicted yourself. You see you yourself said- “My faith in Christ isn’t about what I CHOOSE to believe. My use of the KJV is not about what I CHOOSEto believe it is about what I have found to be best and true through my own
research and experience.” THAT SIR IS A CHOICE!!!
Have I not my own experience and research to CHOOSE what I believe? Unless you are an angel of God or have a direct phone line to a creator than you have no more magical powers or divine insight than the rest of us. Certainly you may have asked harder questions than others, and searched deeper than average, but it would be a prideful sin to assume you KNOW what God is and that your way is the ONLY real way. That sir is a choice, based on the information and research you have done, but how can you be so sure it is right?? YOU CAN’T. Just like the Evolutionist CAN’t prove their philosophy as absolute truth.
Lastly I NEVER suggested that their should be some wall between our faiths and politics. My point was I didn’t really wish to get into a LONG drawn out debate over Religion and politics. This thread was more to the comments made by Mr. Beck and his frustration with Ron Paul supporters.
So in conclusion to our long winded back and forth, in which we seem to be arguing over very silly words and just what they imply, I must say thank you for your patience and effort to explain your version of what is righteous and moral, but I most humbly and respectfully still disagree. I wish you the best of luck in your search for the true meaning of God and politics, but certainly we have some VERY different ideas of what is truly divine providence. Have a beautiful day, and God Bless.

what? btw where is your proof that he would take votes from romney? he never had the votes to begin with.

You have presented no facts to back up anything that you’ve posted. Rhetoric and talking points are not facts.

Now please go away.

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” —
Margaret Mead

We ARE the crazy ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFEarBzelBs

If you vote for Ron Paul you take a vote from either Obama or Romney. Simple explanation for a simpleton. It will have as much an impact as staying home.

I’m going to blame obama supporters if obama wins. I’m going to blame Romney supporters for not electing Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Your argument makes no sense.

he didn’t have the vote t begin with so how would it effect his numbers..the answer it wouldn’t so your point us mute

and neither have you

WOW! History Adam. Ross Perot presidential campaign, 1992! How to answer to your ignorance? You do know your history, right? Maybe not. LMAO

Sorry I’m not interested.

Sorry Glenn. Maybe Romney should have showed some unity. Maybe he should have let Ron Paul Speak at the convention. Maybe they shouldn’t have changed the rules to block Ron Paul off the ballot. Maybe they should have seated the Maine delegates. Maybe Romney should have gave Ron Paul a position. It’s hard to compete with a candidate that can get money printed for him. Romney cheated this whole election. So I will vote Gary Johnson

Well actually I do know my history which is why I’m voting for Gary Johnson. I’d prefer not to go to war with another country.

Good for you. So you’re staying home. No third party candidate has ever won a Presidential election. Gary Johnson can’t stop a war with anyone. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha LMAO

He could if other like yourself pulled you head out. But I guess fox news runs your mind.

For you consideration. http://youtu.be/tCaMU1qJQ78

Great! That’ll get people on your side.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

You are taking the same stance. …for you consideration…http://youtu.be/tCaMU1qJQ78

I’m sorry son but I’ve heard it all before. I’ve lived through 11 presidents so far. There’s nothing new in your rhetoric.

so then you don’t care about being lied to and cheated?

You’re ok with that?

Do you? I believe in putting my vote where it can do the most good. Hell, I even voted for a Democrat once. Voting for someone who will never get elected is just stupidity. Like I said, I’ve seen 11 of them come and go.

And your point with seeing 11 presidents come and go? Listen anyone can win as long as they speak the truth and reach the people. Just look at Jesse Ventura and his election.

Where’s Jessie now? He’s the one who said “Until you hunted man, you haven’t hunted yet”. If your candidate tells you that he has a chance to win this election, he’s lying to you, besides I don’t care for the Libertarian platform. It’s to stupid and I don’t care to join the cult and drink the Kool Aid. Nothing good ever comes from drinking the Kool Aid.

As far as my 11 Presidents comment is concerned, I heard it all before, you’re not saying anything new here. Can you list the names of other Libertarian candidates through out history or even the names of other third party candidates, or parties for that matter?

Dear Mr. Beck! In 2007 I first heard of Ron Paul’s message, and quite frankly parts of it were offensive to me. Yet, there was something that (most likely) spoke to my spirit that said there is a certain truth to it! It (the message) created a certain calling in me that I had to either defend or attack it so I did the only thing I knew to do and that was research it for myself. I found myself in 2008 – with you in one ear and Ron Paul in the other! And when I could, because time was limited!!! I would read anything I could!
In fact, I read virtually every book you recommended when you were on Fox (unlike most of your viewers/who simply bought them and didn’t read them)!!!! I read them! All of them! and I found myself completely in agreement with Ron Paul!
You have Pat Gray whispering in your ear and I think he is virtually the spawn of satan! And openly admits he doesn’t read history the way you do and yet day after day you turn to him to correberate your opinionos ( I really don’t get that!!!) and you reject the opinions of such great thinkers of our time like Judge Napolitano! WHY????
I happen to know that Judge Nap schooled you on the TRUTH behind good ole Abe Lincoln at a time when it was inconvenient because you had ordered medals for your Restoring Honor Rally at the feet of Lincoln and the TRUTH was simply inconvenient to your purpose!
You sir, are a traitor to TRUTH! Ron Paul is not perfect and I don’t pretend that he is! I don’t worship him the way that you would like to suggest! But what you don’t get!!! is that we “Ron Paulers” are not voting for a man, we are voting on a set of Principles! Oh! I know that’s crazy talk from a guy who created the whole 9 Values and 12 Principles movement!!!! You SIR!!! are a fraud and a good many of us who were once your fans and objected Ron Paul are now in Ron Paul’s corner acknowledging exactly what you are! A media whore! You are indeed shameless!

I guess this being called “delusional” by Beck is a step up from last election when he called us terrorists.

Thomas Jefferson? George Washington? most of our founding fathers? They were pretty libertarian. As for your kool Aid I would challenge you on that by stating the ideas that founded this country might not be all that cult like.

Craig,

“Neutral Principle,” as yet is merely a philosophy, such is not public policy. Although I firmly assert that codified neutral principle would finally substantiate “procedural due process” in the legislature and judiciary. Furthermore, such would “trickle down” to the ethical standards of the citizenry.

My point is that neither you or I can expect, (we can demand) but, the powers that be are intransigent. I am trying to put together a philosophical treatise (book) on my theory as well as tell everyone who will listen, about it.

David slew Goliath, Lincoln suspended ‘habeus corpus’ and the American “citizen soldiers” defeated the Axis powers. Moreover, I suspect neither you or I would ever claim conscientious objector status, despite the fact that going to war might infringe on some of our principles?

We need a stable, ascending Union in order to repair the damage as well as institute a new concept called “Neutral Principle.” Ergo, I guess you could argue I am a hypocrite, BUT…

Craig, you know how to get in touch with me, please do so as I would enjoy telling you more about NP as well as getting your input? Sadly, the little room a few of us put together a month or so ago for dialogue, went nowhere as people mistook my philosophy for criticism. I wish that site was still available as I would have liked to invite you in.

Oh, by the way, you certainly are, um, er, thorough…

Purveyor

Thank you again for the message, I understand and can relate to a point with what you say. I believe its a transitional place our Nation is faced with. I happen to be a life long generational Democrat whose family history fundamentally believes that there was a limited government, a balance with a faith filled Nation, a Union membership helped workers from being exploited in an unfair/unsafe workplace environment, that each and every person had the opportunity to own/start their own business without fear of reprisals, just hard work to fulfill the dream and a call to arms to defend the opportunity for all to have the same, not matter race, creed, color or religion and this held true for many members of my family who were in the deep South as well as those raised in the North. We all join together and are currently still serving in the U.S. Military.
As for the differences between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, since I am a Democrat yes, there is a BIG difference and for the first time the majority of my family members and they are many, will be voting Republican this election. Its becoming more apparent as the days progress we possibly have too much of an ‘agenda’ my political party seeks which is contrary to the Constitution we believe in. This is where we apparently don’t share the same view. The Democratic Agenda is not in keeping with what has made this Nation a democracy, so we will take our chances on someone who has more experience as a businessman, Governor and as a faithful family man in hopes to retain some values without causing such a critical stir among the masses of going too far left. I appreciate the conversation and your viewpoint. I only hope we have a United States of America at the end of the year to hold onto so we can have a more positive outlook and who knows perhaps Ron Paul might run again. At least he’s still part of the political climate going into the future.

Sorry, George Washington was an Independent, considered a member of no party.

Thomas Jefferson was originally a Democrat then turned Republican. Sorry

You really have no knowledge of this countries history, do you?

Adams was a Federalist, Madison was a Dem turned Republican. So was Monroe and J.Q. Adams. Jackson and Van Buren were Dems and Harrison was a…wait for it, a WIG.

I’m sorry but you really only know the talking points and none of the history behind this country.

Do you know that our founding fathers took 6 years to ratify our constitution and so many of the representatives (founding fathers) were against it and refused to sign it.

History my boy, knowledge is everything when arguing History.

Gary Johnson all the way man!!!

You’re mistaken if you think Romney would actually be good for our country. In my opinion he would do just as much against what I believe as Obama, so if Gary Johnson losses then I completely lose both ways.

Dude, Romney will do the same thing. Getting Obama out isn’t the issue, it’s getting a real man into office. Someone who will actually stand for the people.

Where I am, it has. They’re all just a bunch of Obama haters here

I can understand where you are coming and can respect it. Maybe in 2016 true candidate will arise instead. I would like to point out one thing. Not to be rude or anything but it’s bothers me when people don’t get it right. The US is a republic not a democracy. There is a huge difference.

Most of our founding fathers were what you would now call libertarians.

How does one consider a cheater a winner? What’s happened to America is because we allow cheaters to rule.

Blame the RNC elites – they were the ones who interfered with the lawful functioning of the caucuses, the primaries, and the convention. The two primary parties are the political tools of the one worlders, and neither can simply no longer be trusted to help with our election processes.

~ Glenn Beck: ‘Ron Paul people, I have had it up to here’ http://www.dailypaul.com/255255/glenn-beck-ron-paul-people-i-have-had-it-up-to-here
~ Jesse Ventura Exclusive on Piers Morgan http://www.dailypaul.com/255240/jesse-ventura-exclusive-on-piers-morgan
~ Hey Glenn, Why don’t you and Pat tell us how Jesus Christ is Satan’s “Spirit Brother”. ~ Help us understand why you are so pro-death to the Middleast — the birthplace of Christianity.
~ Then tell us why we should vote for Rob-me, who also says that Jesus Christ is Satan’s “Spirit Brother”.

Sorry but your wrong. Now if you have some secret information that proves your point, present it now.

George Read advocated for a strong central government. Not Libertarian.

Gunning Bedford Jr. stated that small states might have to seek foreign alliances for their own protection. Not Libertarian.

John Dickson, Democratic-Republican. Not Libertarian, on and on it goes. All Patriots but few Libertarians as you define yourselves today.

Lets see your proof.

Cheaters, aka frauds, lie to us. They don’t deliver on their promises. obama is a classic usurper and fraud – every detail about him and his background is suspect. We did not allow any frauds into office – they all lied. Doug Casey believes the government is being run by sociopaths today, and I agree with him.

Good statement, Judy.

And I suggest you look up 1787network’s interview and can your BS lies. GJ supports constitutional war only. IE the president doesnt declare a war, the legislature does, and the president just manages it.

Screw you Beck, I stand for freedom and principle. I stand with Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, and the rest of the liberty movement. GJ 2012.

Beck, you should have given support to Ron Paul when you had
the chance. Now YOU are splitting the vote by supporting Romney.

During the primary, Ron Paul supporters made it EXTREMELY clear, that we would NOT
vote for a neocon. Early on, even Ms. Alaska said the Republican Party ignores
Paul supporters at its own peril in November, but that warning too was ignored.

Then Romney, at the RNC made no effort to extended an olive branch to Paul supporters. Romney’s actions at the RNC proved… he has no regard for the rule of law, and has a flare for the tyrannical.

You and the other neocons ignored ALL of it! And now… you want to blame Paul supporters if the country continues the descent to the bottom. WAKE the EFF up Beck! By voting for either of these clowns, YOU… Glenn Beck, will be to blame for the evils of an Obama or Romney presidency.

Romney supported TARP (just like Obama), the NDAA (just like Obama), the Patriot Act (just like Obama), the Brady bill (just like Obama), Massachusetts gun control laws (just like Obama), Government-Run Healthcare (just like Obama), making war with Iran without congressional approval (just like Obama), and abortion on demand (just like Obama)? We can not take another 4 years of either person….Obama or Romney.

Please don’t waste your vote. Vote for Gary Johnson because if you vote for Robamaney nothing will change.

Gary Johnson does not want to end the wars, he doesn’t know jack crap about austrian economics and doesn’t have half the chance Ron Paul did. If GJ was real he should have put his money and support where his mouth is and supported Ron Paul instead of running against him.

Hate to break it to you guys but there are ALOT of non-Paul conservatives that absolutely will not vote for Romney. You’re going to blame the Paulites but there’s a bigger group of conservatives bigger than the Paulites. Shutting out the Tea Party from the conventions was just dumb…

LMAO….Beck says, “if you want someone that believes in the free market”….vote Romney. Yeah….hahahah right….ok there Beck. Who does he think he is kidding. We don’t live in a free market and we can’t live in a free market when we have the Federal Reserve price fixing the value of money, and we have Robamney supporting the bailouts of banks…the auto industry, and pretty much anyting they can get their greedy little hands on…just so they can keep the ponsi scheme going. The market wants to correct itself, and its obvious that its trying to do it but its flat because the FED keeps proping it up, but the FED can’t stop the market, infact the FED is incapable of stoping the market. However the FED is really good and really capable of debasement of the currency, inflation, and proping up the welfare system (both social and corporate welfare….or lets just call it organized theft) that will get Obamney elected. Liberty is at stake in this election and we better get behind someone who is going to protect our liberty….like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul. there is only one answer right now.

What has happened to Glenn Beck? Is he honestly asking people to abandon their principles? Restoring Honor to Abandoning Principles? Voting for the lesser of two evil’s is still voting for evil.

I feel Glenn has abandoned principles because he hope(s) for change(s) from Romney, despite seeing evidence to the contrary of what he has claimed to be about. I think unlike Dr,Paul, Glenn does not have the fortitude to stay the course when it seems no one is listening, nothing is changing(for the better), and you are being laughed at and scorned all around.

What happened to looking for the next George Washington?

I use to like/support you Beck, but not anymore…Ron Paul supporters dont just support Ron Paul the person, but the movement he created, the REVOLUTION… also, it doesnt look like Romney has any chance of beating Obama after too many stupid slip ups that show what kind of a bad person he really is (for the people who didnt already know). That is why I am voting for Gary Johnson because he is a part of the Ron Paul REVOLUTION so STFU Beck

Romney isn’t going to win, sorry but if less people thought like you we wouldn’t be trapped with settling for crappy presidents in a two party system…

It is because of the likes of you Mr. Beck and the Lamestream media that there are so many people in America that do not know Ron Paul well enough to make an informed decision. It is the likes of the lamestream media that no truth was told of the abomination of the state and national Republican conventions. Is that my design? I can say this, that no one but Ron Paul can keep this country from heading off the cliff. For all you who worry so much about his foreign policy…it won’t matter. We’re broke, we have no money and we have nothing but corruption in Washington. Obama? Romney? Johnson? Paul? BY THEIR DEEDS YOU WILL KNOW THEM. I’ll stand with Ron.

what Glenn had to say about splitting/wasting votes in 2009 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOPsmGo_es8* hypocrite

I was secretly afraid Ron Paul would win the republican primaries, because it would mean conflict in my voting decision. I might have seriously have voted for him.

I might have seriously have voted for him. But fake big government republicans wouldn’t.

America stand for preemptive war, and killing innocent people with drones overseas by accident. The rest of the world is like a deadly sandbox for america, we should shut down all our bases and protect our own country.

what Glenn had to say about splitting/wasting votes in 2009 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOPsmGo_es8* ROFL

Its True–both candidates are very progressive, internationalist. One in social issues the other in corporate interest, they should run together instead and round out the ticket.

THE GOP AND ROMNEY CAMPAIGN SHOULDN’t HAVE PULLED THAT BS WITH THE RULE CHANGES AND NOT FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO STRIP RON PAUL OF HIS DELEGATES. THEY SHOULDn’t BE TRYING TO KEEP GARY JOHNSON OFF THE BALLOT. THE GOP AND ROMNEY CAMPAIGN HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH RON PAULS SUPPORTERS AND ASK FOR THEIR VOTES BUT DID THE OPPOSITE, ACTUALLY INSULTING RON PAUL BY REQUIRING HIS SPEECH BE PROOFREAD. SO GLENN BECK, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE GOING ON YOUR LITTLE RANTS NEXT TIME. WE REFUSE TO VOTE FOR ROMNEY BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DOES/DOESNT STAND FOR THE VILE AND DISGUSTING TACTICS USED BY HIS CAMPAIGN TO CHEAT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. YOU USED TO STAND UP AGAINST THESE THINGS BECK…..SERIOUSLY. YOU USED TO BEG FOR SOMEONE WHO SAYS WHAT THEY MEAN AND MEANS WHAT THEY SAY. MITT ROMNEY IS THE POLOR OPPOSITE OF THAT. HAVE YOU DONE YOUR RESEARCH ON HIS BUDGET PLAN? IT ISNT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OBAMAS. ARE YOU A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE? TELL ME HOW LOWERING TAXES ON THE TOP 1% IS A GOOD IDEA. TELL ME HOW WELL ITS WORKING WHEN WE ARE LOANING BANKS TRILLIONS AT LITTLE TO NO INTEREST. DID YOU KNOW MITT ROMNEY PUT ALL HIS BAIN STOCK IN AN IRA THAT HE MUST START WITHDRAWING FROM IN 5 YEARS. DID YOU KNOW HE HAS TO PAY FULL TOP TAXES ON THAT? TELL ME HOW LOWERING TAXES ON THE TOP 1% IS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE!!!

Interesting.

Sorry dipshit, yes GJ isnt Ron Paul, but he does know fiscal responsibility, real economics (austrian), only supports constitutional war and end all our illegal ones, as well is a damn good messengers for the liberty movement just like Lew Rockwell, Justin Amash, Ron Paul, Tom Davis, and the others.

And Ron Paul who I greatly supported had no chance, I expected some unethical game plan at the convention, and it happened. Ron could have won all 50 states outright and they would have made up some new rules saying it wasnt enough. He had no chance. But he helped grow the liberty movement, which sparked a huge push for liberty at local and state levels.

Ron made his name in the history books, and now its time the liberty movement take a way more proactive role, stand with others like Ron and Gary when they need help with the message, and be active in our communities. Run for various offices, sign wave, etc. Do you part instead of complaining Gary isnt Ron Paul while failing to realize Gary was screwed way worse early in the election.

If Gary was allowed to continue in the Rep party, the liberty message would have been dozens of times stronger, the Rep party prevented that. So he took the fight to the Rep party, not Ron Paul. Frankly, Gary would probably have dropped out if Ron was the nominee for the Rep party, but he wasnt.

Stand for liberty, or stfu and stand aside.

America does not stand for that, those who are in power implement their own interpretations of what they wish America to be, but that doesn’t define us. Obama and his actions do not define us. I believe in defending our borders and giving aid to peaceful allies who may need protection from those with nefarious intentions. At one point in history that was how we were defined, unfortunately poor decisions led this country into wars without clear cut enemies or allies. We are doing it again of course and it’s not just a battle against communism, but religious extremism, and we cannot possibly beat that. It’s annoying that we are repeating stupid, but that’s our government, our heart is the people.

Well said.

Hey doofus, that chucklehead you’re attempting to support is an Obama supporting collectivist jerk that weighs in on virtually every article Beck puts out, bashing Beck’s position no matter what it is. He hates Ron Paul and he hates libertarians. The only reason he said what he said was to get under the skin of people who like Beck.

You know you are absolutely right and I appreciate you correcting me with that, I appreciate the courtesy and reminder. I know many of us our praying we see the 2016 election too!

Good. Let Obama Win… you people that have cheated in the Primary might just learn a valuable lesson. You should have sided with US.You NEED us… we don’t NEED you.

Let Obama take this nation to Hell… Romney is going to do the same thing anyway… it’ll just take longer with him… While I can still survive it. Even your Right Wing talking heads know this, but accept it.

This Election will be YOUR doing… not ours. You are puppets of mass media mind control… not US. We see the writing on the wall. and it reads, plain as day “YOU’RE SCREWED!”

Better get used to that.

I’m voting Gary Johnson… not because I THINK he can win, but because I WANT him to win.

Isn’t it. The Founding Fathers were all about liberty but many wouldn’t be considered Libertarian as the party exists now.

You can’t argue History without the facts like Adam is trying to.

Yes Josh you do. You need to tell me what your solution is because it’s not obama, he is even worse. I contend that 95% of the people are too far down the road to dependency. I intend to leave before s hiots the fan until the right time. I know the signs of warning, I hope you do as well. If you don’t then you are too far gone to help you by telling you anyway. So you keep dreaming that any pol including RP will save you. I’m in God’s hands. Are you still laughing?

I love how the Romneybots now are looking for the Ron Paul supporters vote. LOL you created this mess now lie in it.

Anyone who uses the argument that a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama (RP, GJ, JS) is delusional. You assume that all votes were inherently Romney’s to begin with. If I vote for Gary Johnson, he will receive my one vote. At no point did Obama steal it. At no point was it awarded to Obama. GJ’s tally is +1, Romney and Obama see no change. For months, we Ron Paul supporters were ignored, told we didn’t matter. But now, you want us to hop on board with a candidate that is almost identical to the opposition? We told you for months, even years, that Ron Paul was the one. That we wouldn’t ever vote for Romney. We have told you why. But do not think that our votes belong to anyone. We each have one, we each decide how it’s best spent. You can only vote for a candidate. Voting against is why we’re in the mess we are.

Dude, We saw how Romney and his campaign works during the primary by breaking fingers, dislocating hips, ballot box stuffing, breaking rules…..mafia tactics. We’re seeing the writing on the wall right in front of us. You say you are in God’s hands, then why would you support either one of them? Both believe in indefinite detention of American citizens. Obama obviously has Communists surrounding him but the NDAA is the same tactic used by the former Soviet Union and currently in China. Romney supports this! Why in the world would you think it’s going to be better with Romney? We’re still headed towards an economic collapse and I don’t want either clown as president when it happens. Neither cares about the Constitution. If Romney cared about an election with integrity, he would’ve stopped the terrible things that were occurring in the primary and fought fairly. He couldn’t because his handlers were in charge (the same ones who support Obama). Don’t be brainwashed anymore. That’s what the establishment is counting on to win. They don’t care if it’s Obama or Romney. Regardless of what Beck thinks of Andrew Jackson, his reasoning was sound for killing the 2nd central bank (although he should’ve gone through Congress). He knew how bad the bankers were and that they’d destroy the currency if not taken care of. Thomas Jefferson killed the 1st. Now we have a 3rd and it is destroying our currency. Early Americans understood the connection between money manipulation and how it affected them personally. The Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve. Presidents Hoover and FDR both used Keynesian economics (central economic planning) and it made the depression “great” and lasted over 10 years. Both Obama’s and Romney’s economic advisers are “Keynesians” which tells me neither understands the central bank’s role in interest rate/money manipulation. Both of their economic policies are going to destroy our economy.

No it’s called having a brain in your head !!

Yes Ron Paul’s Delegate count is simply staggering..

And i guess you feel you wont lie in it…. enjoy your dictator Octavian…

Forgot to add…..look to the depression of 1920/21. President Calvin Coolidge used a “hands off” policy and allowed the “correction” to occur. Yes, it was severe but only lasted about a year. It allows for bad businesses to fail and malinvestment to be cleared out. Then those with capital buy up the assets and new growth comes from it (the correction). It’s like flowers from the ashes. New jobs are created with the new businesses. Only then will our prosperity return. The more the central bank props up the economy by flooding it with newly printed dollars (which devalue the dollar0, the fast it will destroy the dollar. The depression that comes from the “correction” is far better than to destroy the currency. Now I’m not saying without a doubt that neither Obama nor Romney want the economy to recover but knowing both are funded by Goldman Sachs makes me think they don’t. There were plans in 2006 (even spoken about in front of Congress, Lou Dobbs even did a CNN story on it saying they planned to implement it in 2010) to join economically Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. This is what happened in the Eurozone. Now that I understand why central banks would want to put countries under a single fiat currency backed by nothing (to manipulate the currency with a hidden tax and steal from ordinary citizens), I can see where they’d want to kill our dollar in favor of another fiat currency. I believe now that is what is occurring. With Obama’s and Romney’s Keynesian economic advisers, I believe either they don’t have the knowledge to avoid what is coming or they are helping it to occur. But I can say that if our dollar is destroyed and we are tied by a single currency with another country, we will lose our sovereignty and Constitution (the only thing that protects our freedom).

Yeah look at the Nazi’s….

Yeah that would work… with Ron Paul’s stellar record of passing 1 of 620 bills he definintely has the history of getting things done……

No Revolutionist do something…. passing 1 in 620 bills hardly classifies Ron Paul as a Revolutionist.. maybe a do nothingist…

Yes, i’m just alittle confused on how Abortion 1.4, Gay Marriage 1.3, and the use of drugs for recreational purposes 1.2 is conservative viewpoints. According to the Libertarian Party Platform..? Sounds more like something Pelosi would endorse…

No it will probably just get the Libertarians kicked out of the GOP debates… Maybe they can have theirs debates on Cspan or PBS…

Ron Paul already abdicated his bid….. Wake Up

Good point Lioness, when Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change America…. he definitely meant it..

I think it’s too late to save it. I know 3rd party will only help obama. Romney may give us more time and if the crash comes under his term in office we have a better chance of restarting true capitalism than under obama.

Your post is a bit Bi-Polar in nature. You vacillate between calling me a hypocrite,
misrepresenting my meaning and intent despite the very careful wording of my
article AND clarifications, implying you don’t find my points intelligent or
humble and saying positive and supportive things.

Your thinking I am being a hypocrite or
calling me one doesn’t make it so. What
you call hypocritical I call self aware and HONEST. Unless you wish to deny that our entire
system of western Jurisprudence is founded upon Judeo Christian values you
really fall short in calling ME a hypocrite.
IF there is no God and we are all animals then expecting ALL people to
respect laws derived from a religious worldview is hypocritical. Murder, theft, rape etc is al NATURAL in the
wild, so who are we to preserve or conserve laws that are predicated on
religious dogma? Do you see how quickly
we can lose ground if we are not willing to admit that certain laws and
restrictions are best for society even if they don’t comport COMPLETELY with a
libertarian or Constitutional framework?

I will try to address the major points you made. Yes, I do believe the KJV is the only
COMPLETELY true word of God. I have
research to support this as well. http://kjv-truth-ministries.org/?page_id=134

You malign me and bear false witness. I do NOT call other people stupid, evil,
wrong etc and I do NOT imply it either.
My article is FULL of statements like “Ultimately, who we vote for is a VERY personal matter. I am convinced that
the RIGHT thing to do for me and my family is to vote for the MOST Conservative
candidate with an eye towards actually WINNING and getting the current
administration OUT of office.” AND “I am NOT so self righteous or holier than
thou that I will tell anyone else that my way is the ONLY way or the correct
way. I won’t make the argument that anybody who votes differently than I do is
an idiot, a fool, a pawn of Satan or anything else. I will only say this, you
may feel like the morally superior agent because you’ve “voted your principles”
but will it matter when your candidate doesn’t win? Will it make you feel
better if Obama wins again?” AND “Firstly, I would like to state up front that
it is my opinion that votes are a matter
of individual choice and personal conscience. I will not personally attack
anyone who thinks differently than I. I will keep criticisms of politics to the
candidate or the party, so PLEASE don’t take offense if I say something against
your chosen Candidate or party.” So either you HAVEN’T read my article and are
pretending you did or you are WILLFULLY misrepresenting what I’ve written. Either way it is dishonest.

You haven’t
demonstrated that I am prideful OR that I am not kind or humble. I am completely open to the possibility I may
be wrong at times but that must be shown.
I submit my will and understanding to God though his word. I USED to be basically a pagan with views
flitting between Native American spiritualism and Wicca. Research into comparative religion and
philosophy left me convinced that Jesus really lived, really died and really
seemed to have risen on the third day.
MORE research convinced me the Bible is real and accurate, MORE research
convinced me the KJV was the best English translation. NONE of this is true only for me and not for
you. Law of non-contradiction; two
different statements, ideas or philosophies cannot both be true in the same way
at the same time. So, the Quran and the KJV
can’t BOTH be true because they make conflicting claims.

There is NO pride involved in my
knowledge or understanding of God and his word.
I simply try daily to surrender MY life and understanding and will to
the one who created them. Some days go
better than others but I can never be totally or truly wrong if I am following
his word. PLEASE don’t get into “interpretation”. I reject the notion that we can interpret the
Bible how we like and what’s more so does the Bible! 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by
the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
Ghost. If PROPHECY the most cryptic and
allegorical of scripture is NOT open to private interpretation why would the
direct quotes of Jesus and the Apostles be?
I don’t always like everything the Bible says but I figure I am the
flawed and fallen creation he is the Creator.
He is right and I am wrong. Does
that really sound prideful to you?

Understanding where
I am coming from might be expedited by reading the Case for a Creator and the
Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by
Dr’s Norman Geisler and Frank Turek or Total Truth by Nancy Pearcey. . God bless!

@Jaybowl- With all due respect if you didn’t support Ron Paul in the primaries, it was YOU who split the vote! ANYONE who did their homework KNEW the only candidate that wanted YOU to have the power and to uphold the Constitution was Ron Paul. A vote for ANYONE else was a vote for Obama!

@PreacherCruz:disqus – Okay sir, whatever. With all due respect talking to you is much like talking to closed minded Evolutionist. You make prideful claims AGAIN, and a paragraph later give a weak example of how humble you are because you admit you are a creature of God thus imperfect. REALLY? Are you really THAT unaware of your own words?? Look its a nice try on your behalf, but like I said two long books ago, I think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. Also for a man of God your words are written to be very spiteful. It is my humble opinion sir that you stay away from the blogs and open your KJ book a little more often…just saying. You contradict yourself at EVERY turn, but thats the problem with trying to debate theology, and politics, people believe WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE! I will finish by saying God Bless you sir, I wish you well, and as you said a couple of comments ago-”I pray God helps us both to live lives that
serve him and others. God bless you sir.”

Obama is a socialist and is trying to ruin the country, Mitt loves America, he serves his fellow man better than 20 other people combined and has the skill to turn the country around. Stop with this they are no different nonsense and take your blinders off and learn the truth.

You start again with the insults? Okay I guess it IS easier to level ad hominem
attacks then to actually debate points made on their merits. You KEEP insisting on calling me prideful and
say I make prideful claims without example. You claim I am trying to show myself humble
by admitting I was fallible when that is NOT what was meant. I tire of having to quote my OWN words since
you keep trying to twist them to make them mean something else entirely. I
wrote” You haven’t demonstrated that I am prideful OR that I am not
kind or humble. I am completely open to the possibility I may be wrong at times
but that must be shown.” What is
prideful about that? So instead of SHOWING
where I was prideful you ignore it and then throw out the accusation again? If at first you don’t succeed? I admitted I COULD be wrong but said you must
SHOW it. YOU certainly aren’t going to
admit I am right about ANYTHING unless I find a way to demonstrate it, right? NOW, you say my words are spiteful but
again show no examples. I have tried to
be fair, honest and open with you despite you being demonstrably less than
completely so with me. So, if you can’t
get one ad hominem attack to stick you just keep creating new ones hoping one
will stick?

You say I contradict myself at every
turn and fail to show a SINGLE example of me doing so. Are you NOT aware that others can read our
posts? Do you really think they believe
all the things you say about me?
ESPECIALLY since I’ve called you on NUMEROUS “misrepresentations”?

A person agreeing to disagree is a total cop out! I have family members who are lifelong
Democrats when you point out that they support gun rights, securing our
borders, individual responsibility, are opposed to gay marriage and abortion
etc. You suggest that MAYBE just maybe
they aren’t really Democrats. Then they
want to agree to disagree. This is just
a way to say, I don’t like the tone or tenor of this discussion or the way it
is going so I want to stop talking about it.

I will be glad to ignore you from now on if that is your wish because the
KJV Bible you insultingly claim I should read some more has several things to
say about these types of conversations.
Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: (I will let God and the readers of these
posts decide who is prideful) Romans 2: 5-8 But after thy hardness
and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath
and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will
render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in
well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and
do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, If
we are both Christians we are to strive to be of one mind 2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect,
be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and
peace shall be with you

We disagree because we don’t both acknowledge an external
and universal law or truth. GOD is right,
not you or I. One of us may be closer to
what God has intended on an issue at any given moment but that is no call for
pride as being right with God has VERY little to do with “being right” in a
prideful sense.

Just as I though, bunch of pretty soundbites, nothing else, you don’t even know yourself why you like Romney. Funny you say I have blinders on, I can list numerous examples of how Romney and Obama are the same:

They both believe in govt healthcare mandates
They both supported TAARP
They both supported the Stimulus
They both support Assault Weapons Bans
They both support abortion
They both support the NDAA
They both support the Patriot Act

I could go on if you like.

not sure what that is supposed to mean. do you think good ideas in congress get passed, or the ones that benefit the ruling class? do you know what was in those bills? do you know everyone agrees that the fed should be audited, but that cant even get passed.

Jaybowl,
You need to drop the cliches like, ya know! We don’t need to agree to disagree, we just disagree, period. Really, stop repeating that New Age hegelian nonsense.
The GOP had a chance to nominate a principled conservative, constitutionalist, Ron Paul. But oh no, they send us Milk-Toast- Mitt Romney. Well guess what, the guy they’re selling, I’m NOT buying, ever.
This is something the neocons don’t even comprehend. Why, becuase they have no core values, just cliches and retread slogans from the past.
Mr. Romney is a dispicable choice for president and one which offers no discernable difference over Obama. The advantage to Obama winning is we only have four years more of this Marxist mouthpiece, MItt would put all the Republicans back to sleep and during their slumber enact the same big government, big spending, unconstitutinal agenda as his predecessor.
Hey if you’re not sure where Mitt stands just wait it’ll be different the next day. Can you say repeal ObamaCare, well, not all if it he now says. Romney is the product of backroom dealing after backing down from McCain in 2008. He’s similar to Bob “it’s-my-turn” Dole.
You made your bed RNC, now get in it and get cozy.

Maybe we need call the choice the Evil of Two Lessers?
I will not compromise my principles for the sake of expediency.
AND…don’t let anyone tell you what your vote does or doesn’t do, act instead as a free sovereign being as God intended.

@PreacherCruz:disqus – Oh man, im sorry if I got under your skin because you continue to write VERY long winded responses that basically go in circles claiming I didn’t expose your prideful remarks or whatever and its funny because I COPY AND PASTED YOUR OWN WORDS!!!! Look I really wasn’t trying to upset you, or get into debate on theology, but quite simply I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?? Im sure your a very nice person, and who knows perhaps you are completely right and I am just incapable of understanding what you are trying to show me, but the one thing WE DO agree on is that the readers have seen our words and they themselves can decide WHO is being honest, and who is full of it. Not that I wish anyone to read this pointless back and forth between you and I, because I would feel bad for wasting their time and truthfully they probably think were BOTH a couple of dopes, but by the looks of thumbs up and thumbs down, I don’t think im loosing that battle. LOL. But seriously, I don’t wish to upset you or bring you down, or make you out to be a bad guy at all. Im certain there are MANY things that you and I both agree on and I would gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with you, working hard to help lift people up not tear them down. I meant it when I said I wished you well, but we just have a different point of view and your version of politics and God are not exactly in step with mine. Still that doesn’t mean we can’t agree to disagree, regardless of how the conversation is going. I can still be your friend, and think you are a complete loon! LOL. Come on that was funny. Anyway, again I wish you well, and may God Bless you, keep searching, im sure you’ll find what your looking for.

Just Ignore him, he is a RINO Troll that will never concede a point. He’s just wasting your time so you can’t post informative posts. Don’t let them bog you down

I wonder how much Romney payed for this air time?

RON PAUL 2012

The RNC deserves to lose I am sorry
This is no longer about Obama vs Romney

http://youtu.be/hOPsmGo_es8

Every four years the Republicans tell us to vote for their guy, because we just can’t let the other guy win.

What happens if Romney’s voted in? Just about the same thing we’ve had to deal with for the last 12 years. The deficit will get worse, foreign affairs will get messier, unemployment will still be high and the economy struggling (even though Romney talks about cutting taxes, neither Romney nor Obama are talking about abolishing minimum wage- which would cause unemployment to plummet- or abolishing the fed and returning to sound money, since the fed is the cause of the boom and bust cycle of the economy). Don’t vote for Romney! A vote for Romney is a vote for big government! It is a vote for George W. Bush! It is almost as bad as voting for Obama! Please, please, please, ignore both of these clowns!

Wait, why do I give a shit what Beck has to say about this? It would be like asking a kid wearing JINCOs to tell me what’s in this year. Beck can suck it, Romneybot can suck it, Obomney can suck it – I voted in my state convention, we choose a majority of Ron Paul delegates and then they got swindled in Tampa. This system doesn’t represent its people’s interests, I am not whining, I am stating a fact. I have acted, and will continue to act in order to restore our constitutional AND new ideas of Democracy. Tea Party, OWS, rEVOlutioners, all real activists, stop bickering amongst one another and unite against the growing tide of tyranny. (Evangelicals, thanks but uh, how about we just give you Kansas and you can have your own revolution – I love ya, but you’re fuckin nuts).

In short,
Gary Johnson FTW

sorry, beck i will NEVER vote for mittens. i don’t want to live in a police state.

there’s always some reason why you must vote for someone who is not the best candidate. i’m voting on my principles. i can only write in ron paul or vote johnson. romeny is NOT an option for me.

See? Here’s the thing. My vote counts. It may not count when the vote is
manipulated by electronic voting machines, but it matters to me. I know
who I voted for and that is important, but I am also learning that
Romney has no chance regardless of how I vote.

http://www.examiner.com/article/isidewith-com-suggests-two-man-race-between-obama-and-johnson

The
truth? We gave a you a constitutional candidate. One who stands for
limited government and holds true all of republican values, yet you
chose the moderate/liberal whom you thought was more suited to beat
Obama by standing for and supporting all of Obama’s policies. BTW? Those
are also GWB’s policies…

I stand for freedom, limited
government, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Romney stands for
Goldman Sachs and more of the same. He stands for bombing Iran, endless
wars, and raping the middle class because “trickle down” economics have
shown how well they work.

Blame the other guy all you want, Glenn. I’m voting my conscious!

What principle is that… Ron Paul passing 1 of his 620 first sponsered bills… I not exactly sure what your principles are….. the state of doing nothing ness. Just for your information, Ron Paul already abdicated his bid..

Even Ron Paul agrees Romney would be worse.

Well you have to start reshaping the GOP, and Romney can’t do it. So, my vote will go either to Gary Johnson or a write in to Paul. At least I’ll be able to live with myself.

I’ll vote for whomever seems less like a chicken hawk.

Yes, i’m just alittle confused on how Abortion 1.4, Gay Marriage 1.3, and the use of drugs for recreational purposes 1.2 is conservative viewpoints. According to the Libertarian Party Platform..? Sounds more like something Pelosi would endorse… Maybe you should read the Libertarian Party Platform before claiming they hold the Replublican values.. http://www.lp.org/platform

The GOP needs a rebuild and electing Romney would never accomplish that. So I’ll be voting Gary Johnson. At least I’ll be able to live with myself. Even Ron Paul says Romney would be worse.

I don’t think that i even need to comment on Gary Johnson… Gary Johnson just opening his mouth makes the point.

Ron Paul doesn’t know squat…. when your record is 1/first 620 you have already lost all credibility..

It looks like you’re wearing an SP4 cap and have a shaving profile…. tell me it ain’t so !!

SP4 may refer to:

* SP4 (album), an album by Sneaker Pimps
* Sp4 transcription factor, a human gene
* Savoia-Pomilio SP.4, a reconnaissance and bomber aircraft built in Italy during the First World War

and also :

* The Saint Patrick’s Day Four
* Service pack 4 in computing
* Specialist Four (incorrectly called Specialist 4th class), a grade of the U.S. Army rank of Specialist
* a model of steam toy made by British manufacturer Mamod
* a 7.62x42mm rifle cartridge

Maybe it is for the first one?

Thanks to Ron Paul die hards, and Gary Johnson day dreamers, Obama will win a second term. Thank you all for assuring us of 4 more years of the final push into a Socialist dictatorship.

Hey ssj12, I take you at your word about 1787network’s interview and am not even surprised. Weasels, if that’s what GJ is, talk out of both sides of their mouth. Clear that you didn’t looked up the Weekly standard interview. If you did you could have usued that to make a much stronger point. But either take me at my word or check it out for yourself. Namecalling is for trolls.
As to your comment about legislature declaring wars, you are apparently not aware that presidents have delared all our “interventions” since WWII though I can’t believe you are that out of touch. and Its those 5-12 year interventions that are breaking us not those 3-4 year wars.Since 2003, 2 trillion in direct costs and I would argue 2 trillion in indirect costs. With that money still wit us we would need very little restraint in domestic spending.

Subject: [glennbeck] Re: Glenn to Ron Paul supporters: Ron Paul is NOT RUNNING!

Hey J

I take your point about GJ’s verbage being head, shoulders and waistline above Mitt’s. But his power vaccuum arguement to me is a sneaky way of giving himself an out to put into practice the same thing when he becomes president. Or simply do nothing. Then blaming his predicessors for starting the fire. Much like Lindon Baines Johnson and before him, Woodrow Wilson blamed their opponents for being the warmongers during the election, then got into office and got us into a worse war. There is no military power vacuum that is a threat to us in the middle east. Just the oil. And that is an order of magnitude more of a threat to Europe and Asia. Not worth american lives or, if you are cynical, The trillions it is costing in american treasure. How about using some European or Asian Treasure? The Chinese could forgive our debts for a start!
Ron Paul says, “They just marched in, they can march back out”. Why can’t Gary Johnson say that?

Subject: [glennbeck] Re: Glenn to Ron Paul supporters: Ron Paul is NOT RUNNING!

NDAA Mr. Beck, No True Patriotic could vote for a person who supports such treason.

As far as I’m concerned four more years of Obama may not be as bad as a possible eight years of Romney, they’re cut from the same cloth. Besides, the economy will nearly cease to exist thanks to the fed in the next four years and I’d rather Obama be blamed for it than a Republican. That way in 2016 I can stop listening to how its all Republicans faults. Just as millions were awakened by the crash in ’08 to Dr. Paul’s message, so too will millions more when the dollar crashes, and will be looking for an alternative to liberals and those who claim to be conservative. My hope is that a fiscally conservative liberty lover will be the answer they are looking for.

You’re confusing conservative moral values “social conservatism” with being a republican. A common mistake.

Being “conservative” in the republican sense means sparing use of government. AKA “limited government” which goes hand in hand with being “fiscally conservative”. The less money spent on government means the smaller the government will be… and also the less government intrusion in our lives.

Think about that for a second.

Now how does that tie into controlling who gets married, what they put in their bodies, and if they use birth control or not?

Your argument is about moral values. A hazardous line to cross when using government as an enforcer.

If you disagree with same sex marriage? Don’t marry another man Steve.

Don’t like recreational drugs? Don’t take them.

Think abortion is murder? Don’t have one.

I would also urge you to instill those values into your children and speak openly about such values with your friends.

Unfortunately you want to regulate what others do. That my friend is “big government” it costs big money and is not republican at all.

I respect your right to live your life as you chose. You need to learn some tolerance though and respect others right to do the same.

Good luck… Cheers!

No, programs like planned parenthood and other abortion clinics does cost money.. so does free sex changes … so i beg to differ. However being fiscally conservative would also include stopping earmarks and removing these pork barrel tactics.. We should pass each bill on it’s own merit…(someone tried to pass a bill similar to that not long ago, however i don’t remember the sponsor i believe in the house). So i believe the axiom is that if i have to pay for your personal immoral values (in my eyes and beliefs) and you expect me to exept your life style, then you have infringed upon my rights… which i will say i feel, i have earned.
I didn’t generally want to continue on multiple topics since in shows only weakness in the original topic however recreational drug use is not a victimless crime… many people including young people are hooked, and have ruined their lifes, died and commited suicide… So to endorse the use of recreational drugs from anyone that is of adult age is rather sad… you seem like a stand up person and i can’t believe you would support drug use anymore than letting people drive around drunk… which is also not a victimless crime….

My one own friends tried to kill himself by overdose your right on all accounts.

It is a sad epidemic in our country.. i can’t understand why anyone would support such a idea…. i know probably 30 kids that have died being friends and associates of my own kids… Who can call supporting the destruction of our young people honorable…. not me…. it’s truly heartbreaking and i wonder how anyone can try to indemnify themselves in their own mind knowing the destruction you are putting on other people….

So what! It does not matter, with both those clowns running we are screwed either way. Mine as well vote for the guy or gal you really want as president.

What Obama and Romney have in common: TARP, Bailouts, Goldman Sacs, NDAA, Patroit Act, Romneycare/ Obamacare… Tell me again who you are going to vote for?

Must be a Mormon thing, flip flopping that is

What will happen is that Romney will continue with the current policies and the Republicans will love him

Sorry, I want real change – Romney goes backwards, into a dark scary hole.

The GOP, as it exists today, does not deserve to win at any level.
Just check everything Jefferson has ever said about government and the principles on which we founded this country, and compare them to the asinine, imperialistic and inhumane policies Republican not only support, but look to exploit to the extreme – going so far as to CRIMINALIZE at the Federal level, a woman who chooses to have an abortion. Psychotic, to say the least.

If my sister didn’t go outside we would have not known he was there before it was too late. I can’t imagine a country with no drug laws. Where do they think the drug cartels are going they are not just going to disappear when you legalize.

It shows us some people are just stuck on stupid… you can’t possibly defend such a stance… as no drug laws, seriously..without laughing it is so ridiculous the body wants to laugh and it makes you think its a joke.

Why should we reward the Republican party for losing their way? If all the Paul supporters vote for Romney and he wins, the only thing the Republican party has learned is that it can continue on its current course that doesn’t even resemble small government. If I vote Gary Johnson, it’s because I care about the next 30 years more then I care about the next 4. The Republican party MUST learn that is either has to revamp its core values to bring Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters into the fold, or it will lose every presidential election until the end of time.

So, Mr. Beck, instead of attacking the Paul supporters and Libertarians, how about looking within the Republican party and ask them, “Hey, why aren’t you guys doing what it takes to bring the Libertarians over to our side so we can win? Why do you keep running these lame candidates that is 1 step up from an empty shirt?”

Jess, I did write this letter to send privately in email, but after your recent stunt, here you go. Enjoy, it’s all you buddy.

In the name of truth I feel compelled to correct your attempt at revisionism, which for some odd reason you feel compelled to say.

Any special reason you are telling me about the room that I put together as if it were you and other people?

That little room that I started is still there. Letting you pick the name (which has been changed) doesn’t really qualify you as a co-founder. We only did that so you would feel included. I must say though, that was very magnanimous of you to invite me into my own room, you truly are a prince among princes.

Please tell me what your contribution was in starting this “little” room besides just coming along for the ride? I hate to be the one to burst your little bubble, but it was nothing.

Your philosophy? No, it was your pseudo-philosophy[1] that got you into trouble and your failure to acknowledge your own fallacious arguments and attacks. You fail to see the severely obvious flaws in your “theories” even after they have been pointed out to you repeatedly by different people. You kept digging the hole you made deeper and deeper. Comparing Draft-Dodgers to people who won’t vote for Mitt Romney is the same as your buddy Rahm telling people that God chose Romney to be President, which is pure intellectually dishonest BS. Birds of feather flock together?

You may think you are clever but you are not. This is another example of what got you into trouble. I noticed how you told me in this thread:

“Respectfully, I know all to well how married you and others are to this issue, hence I should have been more careful, again, my sincere apologies.”

But then in your very next post somewhere else you tell that poster:

“The truth can cause cognitive dissonance at times, especially when a person and/or their associates have been lying to themselves, believing other’s lies, married to a sincerely held belief system, or, all of the above?”

Respectfully? Besides speaking out both sides of your mouth and being married to the myth that you are a “great” philosopher, you are the one with cognitive dissonance so stop projecting, Jess. Your posts say absolutely nothing because there is no substance behind them. You Sir say/answer nothing but use flowery language to try and hide this fact.

Furthermore, we do not need your “new” “Neutral Principle” theory that is based on what you deem as neutral. OUR Founding Principles are far superior because they are based in God’s Truth. If we want to fix what has become wrong in this country, it is by re-adopting the Founding Principles, not treating them as if they are a living breathing document like the left does.

No one is buying your “Innocent” act anymore claiming that you accidentally misused the words you meant. You can’t help but brag every chance you get about yourself::

“I am educated in Law, but not a Lawyer, (Lawyers have become the problem, no longer a solution) also, I am writer and rhetorician schooled in debate, but I do have my political predilections… ” -Purveyor

That tells me your are either incompetent mentally and or incompetent as a writer and rhetorician that is schooled in debate.

[1] Nicholas Rescher, in The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, defines pseudo-philosophy as “deliberations that masquerade as philosophical but are inept, incompetent, deficient in intellectual seriousness, and reflective of an insufficient commitment to the pursuit of truth.”

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Your only ally is your anonymity, Devin. I will be investigating you and I will find a way to stop this little game you are playing. That is a promise, so don’t misinterpret it as a threat, threats are a waste of time and I don’t waste my time.

VINDICATOR,

VINDICATOR,

I had forgotten that “Craig” was/is Devin, or I would NOT have shown as much interest in his comments. (I like my little analogy about the American Indians and third parties?)

The man (Craig) became insufferable after he assumed I was threatening his political sensibilities. Anyway, please do not think I am in anyway associated with Craig/Devin. However, on a philosophical level I understand some of his sentiments–BUT:

“Beware when pursuing the monster, lest he become you” (Nietzsche)

It seems everything I read by Craig is shrill and vitriolic. He may have passion for his cause, but alienates too many in the process, thus the quote by Nietzsche, is appropriate…

Purveyor

But in the mean time, all can see what a group of psychopathic loons you really are.

You can’t kill the truth. Romney is a Progressive and you have no problems lying for him or smearing anyone that opposes him.

Bye bye RINO Troll! Do the world a favor by taking your threats/intimidation and choking on them.

I will be around and watching you!

Very much so.

You don’t know what truth is. Watch me all you like, it won’t stop what is coming.

Okay, Devin, who are you going to vote for then? For most people the choice is clearly Romney. Obama hasn’t acted adult or responsible for anything since he was sworn in, and his failures mount by the day.

What choice do you have left? There are two candidates for President, and you have one vote. Not a lot of options there.

If you think you are in a position to judge me or anyone else, think again… We don’t stab our “friends” in the back, and if you had the character to really be a friend then you wouldn’t be in this spot you’ve put yourself in.

Don’t worry, I will be watching you -

I agree that quote fits him well. His using it to admonish others as if he holds some moral high ground was the most comic yet tragic thing I have seen in some time. He is obviously deranged at some level, one I think is a very basic level. His paranoia and delusions have led him to betray his “friends”, and now he is lashing out at everyone he deems to have insulted him in the past. Frankly, I never had much knowledge of him or his presence so I can’t say what if anything I did to piss him off, but I am becoming tired of his incessant and vicious attacks on people I consider good people, and I have decided to take action. I am not saying what that will be, but he has been warned and I am determined to see his backstabbing weasel act come to a halt. He thinks his use of the internet provides him with safety, but there are ways of removing his anonymity.

The man may be mentally ill, or not, but he is certainly evil, and I won’t stand for his attacks on my “peeps”, if you know where I am coming from.

Devin/Craig/whomever he is will not get away with this crap he’s been pulling pain free. It is going to cost him.

Both the DNC and RNC had corrupted Conventions, Romney and Obama are the same in many ways. I don’t like either, but right now it seems Obama is the worse choice…its like being told “You are going to be bitten by a poisonus snake, but we will let you choose which one”…. The choices are:

1. Vote for the lesser of two percieved evils (which means you are now a gambler, but the table is fixed, it won’t matter which way you vote, you still lose)

2. Don’t vote (as both won’t do what is in the constitution, or decrease the national debt)
3. Write in Ron Paul (which won’t garner him a win as there are too many mislead sheep) -It will help Obama win as well, but also make a statement as the country sinks farther into financial and war provacation.

4. Don’t gamble at all since it is all crooked.
That is not a fun selection process. I would be happy with someone that went strictly by the Constitution, and is not corrupt. The evidence is clear to those that are educated, and not blinded by MSM, nor the mryiad of lies both parties tell people. To vote for Romney is to hope for the best when he does not seem to be any better at all. I cannot listen to Glen as he is one sided, and I can’t listen to the Media as they are bought and paid for, and in General, the country has stopped providing leaders that represent the people, and that don’t go outside the boundaries of the Constitution. This is just very sad to think about…and every election gets worse choices then the last. Sorry, I have to vote who is True and Right, or write him in if allowed. At least I will know I voted for the correct person, the person that has actually done the job as put forth in the Constitution. Ron Paul….Only.

Well, that depends on if you believe that the Republicans that say that …they are not. As for me, no political party gets that right. Only the people have that right. Its a sheep thing. They steal the name, but then they jsut prove they lied.

Beck is a hypocrite…says he’s a Libertarian and a Constitutionalist and threw Ron Paul under the bus for Big Govt Neocons & Provressives Santorum & Romney. He said always vote on principle then flip flops himself & throws the ONLY Constitutionalist running under the bus. Screw you Glenn Beck! You are a fraud….you were always in the tank for your Mormon brother……it’s obvious to us Critical Thinkers….

Amen Connie! You said it right….the disillusioned GOP flock is out of their mind with their fake Conservatives and Anti-Constitutionists…

I will never vote against my principles again & Romney/Obama insul my liberty & Constitiutional principles!

Oh my God, what BS…you are so full of Neocon Islamo-phobe propaganda it’s humiliating

Romney will enter us into more $ trillion wars fool…..run the deficit up just like Reagan and the Bushes. You’re the one that is “brain-dead!”

So you believe a KING provided us the True Word of God? About as believable as the Roman Empire giving us true Christianity when in reality it’s an unholy alliance with PAGANISM as evidenced by the HOLI-days…..blasphemy

You just named a bunch of Neoconservatives…..not True Classical Republican Conservatives. Those men are CFR/Military War-Mongers aka BIG GOVT…..war machinists

hey glenn go back to drinking asshole

VINDICATOR,

FYI, I became involved in a LENGTHY debate with ALLENBLACK over the weekend. Can be found on Mediaite–”Mitt Romney defends income redistribution in campaign speech.”

It started out with me writing a letter to Tommy Christopher at Mediate, suggesting that statistics in contemporary American politics are at the least, questionable, at most, suspect!

And off ALLEN went… He wanted desperately to talk statistics when I had just commented that such lacks credibility? BUT, he kept “swinging that dead cat around” by tail, flailing away… Ouch!

Say, if you know how to get in touch with “So There,” he has my address. Write me a letter and we can compare notes, so to speak.

I’ll get with him and be in touch.

Listen Glenn, we are voting for Gary Johnson for the most part as Ron Paul told us to do.. He told us write ins are not productive and Gary Johnson is wonderful.. clearly he gave us the direction to go..

He does too want to end the wars, he does know economics, look at what he did in New Mexico, from deficit to surplus, vetoed 750 bologna spending bills, etc etc..

Ron Paul is a man of integrity. Washington needs more. Obama is not in that category. Romney is a good, honorable man who will not be flitting around avoiding intelligence briefings while our embassies are being stormed. He would have made sure that they were reinforced and protected on 9/11. He will stand up for America not apologize to the people trying to take us down and killing our people. He will be the hardest working president America has ever had. I traveled to Australia and Europe when Carter was president. He was so weak that the world laughed at us. I don’t think they are laughing now. We are now far beyond a laughing matter. We have been the ally to those countries that needed help. Our president isn’t even standing up for us. We are giving billions of aid to the ones attacking us. ???? Does this make any sense? Don’t vote or vote for anyone but Romney and you will deserve Obama if he is reelected. Don’t miss The Project of Wed and Thurs on The Blaze. If that doesn’t change your mind, you really deserve Obama.

NO, but apparently YOU believe what you hear, I’ve heard these kind of scurrilous attacks so many times with virtually NOTHING offered in the way of evidence. King James AUTHORIZED the translation noting more or less. He was not a scholar or a linguist and did NOT take part in the actual translation of the scriptures. If you really have an interest in learning WHY I support and use the KJV I would encourage you to read “Does It Matter Which “Bible” We Use” http://kjv-truth-ministries.org/?page_id=134 God bless! BTW, I agree 100% that Catholicism isn’t true Christianity. That doesn’t mean that every single Catholic isn’t Christian…

Right now, my biggest hope from the national races is that the US Senate and the White House will be held by different parties. Whatever configuration that may take. Maybe jam a log in the gears to stop it long enough to make them start taking the Constitution seriously.

Why will you not leave me alone? That is all I want. You gave my secrets out to someone harassing me since I changed my mind is this the type of B.S. you stand for. Stop following me I want nothing to do with your arguments. I just want to be left alone. If you ever want to have this friendship back than do as I say because right now I don’t know if I can even trust you.

First contact received yet?

NO, how odd? Maybe check the address again?

I assumed we had a mutual friend, or two. “So there” should be able to provide it…

What do you need?

All the dodging you are doing is absolutely hilarious! It just goes to prove you are as mentally stable as U-235, and your idiopathic paranoia is putting you out of my misery.

Adios, loserboy

You can change your name a hundred times, it isn’t going to do you any good, the admins will find you anyway.

Nice display of futility in action.

Guess what Glenn? We don’t care about the label before or after the man’s name. We care about the principles of liberty and living as free individuals.

Romney and Obama will both lead us down the path to fewer freedoms, greater government intrusion and general loss of economic prosperity.

You supporting Romney just shows me that you aren’t serious about any of the things that I care about. In short; you are one of the bad guys.

Still voting for Gary Johnson. On the things that matter most: the Fed, unconstitutional wars, the deficit, entitlements, crony-capitalism, foreign aid, civil liberties, War on Drugs and the police state there is not difference between Obama and Romney. Therefore, it is up to the American people to not vote for either of them. And really I hope Romney loses so we can have a real conservative run in 2016 like Rand Paul or I’d settle for Jim Demint. Voting for Romney the “conservative” is a joke.

What do you have to say now Glenn?  I guess you and Romney are now not feeling so good about throwing
Ron Paul and the libertarians under the bus.  I didn’t vote today.  I
could have voted for Romney, but will never forget the treatment of Ron
Paul’s delegates or how they treated him at the convention.  You deserve
what you get.

Out of our mind for trying to make a point? Apparently not because we made our point long before the election and now the GOP has lost and lost badly for not listening to our point and even alienating everyone trying to make the same point. The GOP may have just comitted political suicide…thank god now there will be room for a new party that is actually able to give our freedoms back AND beat the democrats…by the way Glenn how come your not on Fox News anymore??? A bit out of your own mind???