How divided is the country?

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We are constantly being told that, right now, America is more divided than it has been in over a hundred years. But is that really accurate? Or are Americans being divided now more than ever from the people controlling the conversation like politicians and the media?

“Don’t most of us believe that we’re divided about 50/50 here in this country? And there’s 50% of us who pretty much have made up our mind?” Pat asked.

“I don’t think we are,” Glenn responded.

It is Glenn’s belief not that the America people are divided 50/50, but that they have been convinced we are divided 50/50.

“I think we are actually 60/40, 70/30, if the truth were told,” he said.

There aren’t any sources answering the questions about all of the news going on around the world that the American people trust.

“If there was a real arbiter of real information that people trusted, I think it would be 70/30,” he added.

To that point, Glenn is accurate. Stu pointed out that polling consistently shows that America is a center right country.

“We’re about 40% conservative, 20% liberal, with the rest in-between,” Stu said, “which indicates that if people had the information that was accurate that’s the prism they would see the issues through.”

Why are Americans voting for politicians like Barack Obama if that is the case? They’re being convinced that it’s people like Obama and the Democrats that are “the mainstream”.

They’re not.

Glenn used the example of the Koch Brothers, who have been painted as evil villains by the media and the Obama Administration. Even most people on the right are under the assumption that they’re all for the GOP.

Not the case.

In August, Politco published an article that gave a little more insight on David Koch and his stance on many social issues.

“They’re libertarians,” Glenn told listeners, “real libertarians. They’re for gay marriage, they’re for abortion, they’re for all of that stuff. How are they being painted as the GOP?”

“They’re liberal on social issues, and conservative on financial ones,” Pat added.

But that’s not how they’re painted in the public eye. Glenn compared their stances on a lot of issues to those of Occupy Wall Street.

“You get a lot of people from Occupy Wall Street going, “You know what, we probably shouldn’t be spending so much money”,” Glenn said.

So how is it that the Koch brothers, who are pro-choice, for gay marriage, and lean left on many social issues, are being labeled as shills for the GOP?

“Because you’re not being told the truth,” Glenn told listeners.

Only 8% of Americans say that they trust the media – the lowest polling number for the media in history.

“I think they have that right,” Glenn added. “8%… you’re out of business. Soon media, you’re out of business – soon.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rqhG2yT-58&feature=share&list=PL5FABE780A13D231D Sam Fisher

    How divided is this country? It doesn’t matter really because if Obama gets back in we will be united as one. Too bad we will most likely be together in jail because none of the poor or even the middle class can afford Medicare or the fines so remember everyone don’t turn your back next year. see left isn’t Obamacare fun. Mitt/Ryan 2012.

  • Anonymous

    “Because you’re not being told the truth,” Glenn told listeners.

    Only 8% of Americans say that they trust the media – the lowest polling number for the media in history.

    “I think they have that right,” Glenn added. “8%… you’re out of business. Soon media, you’re out of business – soon.”

    Um Glenn, I hope you know hat in that poll Radio was included in what mass media was. So only 8% of people trust you either Glenn and everyone else on the radio, left and right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irina-Krasnyuk/745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    How to unlock the brain? It’s an unsolved misery in the times of transparent braces

  • landofaahs

    Our founders found no problem separating from Britain. We would need to find a way to make sure the liberals get the H away from the conservatives. I don’t want libs from California coming to a conservative place and trying to turn it into the same crap hole they just left. I don’t want a split to happen, but I see no other peaceful way resolve this.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    I would figure we are closer to the 60-65% united to the centre right for the nation in the matter of the coming elections.

    No matter what the facts are clear for the MSM, they are soon to be out of business or forced into a renewal back to the truth of their origins as REPORTERS of TRUTH and FACT. They have squandered the peoples trust, and their own reputations and honor to ally with a communist in the White House; it will be near impossible to win the people back after this.

    November is the turning point for the nation; we either fire Obama and manage to then survive the lame duck session in which he has nothign left to lose; or we keep Obama, and then the serfdom we fall will cause us to go into the night. After that, it only remains to be seen who will win – Communist or Islamist.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Land – we have a chance to end this matter with Obama peacefully in November; after that its in his hands – peacefully accept his fate or (worse case) plunge us over the cliff, and maybe into a civil war.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Land – we have one chance left this November to turn the ship around; under a new term with Obama, its end game and we may just see a civil war occur.

  • Anonymous

    Beck’s continuing screed against the media is laughable because it is only believable if one first accepts the foundation on which it is based: “I , Glenn Beck, the ultimate in New Media, am the only one willing to tell you the truth.” As if a biased news media is new information– were you not taught in high school English class to read articles, and news stories to discern the bias of the author? Wasn’t that one of the lessons of critical reading and writing? Before cable, could you not distinguish between the differences in the ediitorial slants of CBS, NBC and ABC? Like this is news?
    No but Beck, only recently descended from the Mount, is the only one who can teach us this important lesson because, well, he has a media empire to sell and if he does not convince us average folk that he is the oracle of truth, how the heck will he sell it? thank you Glenn for telling me that it is a 70/30 split, or a 60/40 or whatever. I am so incapable of figuring out how, why and to what extent we are divided, because you know, I never discuss politics with friends, co-workers, family members, fellow residents of my town, fellow parishioners; I never read any independent news sources, I never think about these things in my own free time. Yep, you got it–I must be a know nothing and am grateful for your channel of truth.
    No kidding? we are conservative and middle of the road? Gosh, I didn’t realize that because all I ever get from your media empire is that we are a nation of radical elements trying to destroy everything our founders designed and indeed what most of us spent our lives contributing to. I am so scared at night that the fewer than 50 members of the New Black Panther Party are coming to my Republican majority small town at night to coerce me into voting for a man who hates white folks; that the slackers in OWS are going to steal my 401k plan after the bankers who donated to team Obama have made it worthless; that Obama will legislate away Christian religions; that a second term of Obama will result in the New Socialist States of America; that a member of the Federalist Society, Chief Justice Roberts does not know as much about Constitutional Law as Glenn Beck and therefore should be impeached; and of course, I need to get food insurance, the fallout shelters of the new millenium, cause you never know when those socialists are going to start rationing our food.
    I have another theory for you Glenn–people’s perceptions and media trust was higher a long time ago before the appearance of your generation of opinionators–before CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, political blogs, commentators of all stripes and persuasions screaming out at everyone in order to increase their market share. Anybody can say anything without backup.Man-up Glenn, you folks bear responsibility as well.
    Oh and by the way, how are we doing on that source who claims the State Department is in active negotiations to release the Blind Sheikh? Still laying out that theory are you? You got Peter King and Michelle Bachman to take the bait. Us commonfolk who have to rely on you for the truth are just waiting for you and the Blaze to confirm the story. You will let us know ASAP won’t you?

  • landofaahs

    I’m not sure it would be possible at this late time. If it were possible, it would take more sacrifice then this country shows it is willing to do. Sorry! I’m a realist. But I am not for unity if unity means slavery. I would rather be separate and free than united and enslaved.

  • Anonymous

    Now that God has been, all but banned here in the States, the general attitude of our youth has become disgruntled and angry. If they cannot instantly get what they want after snapping out their latest demand, they openly rebel. Much of our young people have shamelessly become self-centered spoiled brats. OWS is a perfect example. Half our nation has sold out to the growing progressive notion, that America join in with a one world government, relinquishing our sovereignty and forgetting all about, the long bloody history of those who have fallen among us, brave men and women who have made this nation what it is – or was, and not so long ago.

    Using the Unions for another fine example, all one has to do is look at the Chicago teachers strike – the message is loud and clear – if you cannot get what you want, then hold a public protest until your latest desires are fulfilled.

    Personal responsibility has been replaced by dependency on others – our nation is a land of Get instead of what God admonishes – “It is better to Give than to receive”. But who knows this simple principle any more.

    Progressives have been sold a nation sapping,bill of goods – and there are more numbers added to their ranks every year.This is the only lifestyle they know and therefore, it is passed down from one generation to the next. Then on top of that, there no longer is an alternative choice, such as the ethics and morals taught by God that would replace this downward trend – We now have reached the end of the sustainable rope, America cannot afford this “nation killing” policy, an ideology that has enveloped DC and clouded the minds of our leaders.

    Are we 50/50 split down the middle? I would have to think more like 45/55 in favor of the liberal Democrats That’s why this growing national dependency, has all but destroyed us and if we continue down this path, it will destroy us.

  • Anonymous

    America was founded on the principles of God. We as a nation have strayed so far from those founding principles, that no one any longer knows what is good for our nation, or what destroys it.

    This liberal policy (liberated from Godly understanding and guidance) has completely taken over America News Media. All the reports are formed through the eyes of liberal thinking and no longer have room for any Godly perspective. That is the difference from Glenn Beck and the others who claim they are reporting the news. They wouldn’t know an important story if it bit them in the rear. And if something comes across the wires that spoils their perception of themselves, they conveniently fail to report it altogether. That is why MSM is a joke here in the States, they’ve sold out for one particular political movement verses simply reporting the news – give us a break.

  • ersatzear

    Obama is just incompetent. “a bump in the road” is what he calls a dead ambassador. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, Obama is going to LOSE the debates. There hasn’t been a single non-teleprompter address he’s given that hasn’t resulted in something idiotic being said. Romney has months of practice. Obama hasn’t even started yet. We all know Ryan is going to cream Joe Gafftastic Biden.

    We have to hope that America isn’t stupid enough to reelect this failure.

  • Anonymous

    WORLD WAR 3 — YOU CAN WATCH IT ALL ON TELEVISION … — IT’S THE LAST PROGRAM YOUR LIKELY TO SEE.

  • new2la

    No one convinces me unless I allow them….. Most of us are wired that way. There are leaders in our society and there are followers. The difference between the two, is how much knowledge and confidence one has.

  • Anonymous

    “So how is it that the Koch brothers, who are pro-choice, for gay marriage, and lean left on many social issues, are being labeled as shills for the GOP” errrr, because they donate money to the GOP would be my guess. Liberal on social issues, and conservative on financial ones does make the most sense and keeps government out of peoples lives.

  • Anonymous

    History shows that it only takes a handful of radicals to take over a Country, especially if the majority is preoccupied at the circus and arena.

  • Sebastian Kaine

    You may be enlightened. You may be smart enough not to need a guy like Glenn to lay it out for you, and if you are more power to you. We need more critical thinkers. The problem today is, we have had several generations of kids who have grown up in exactly the opposite fashion. They have swallowed the lies, they have not been conditioned to think for themselves. Our schools teach exactly the opposite of self reliance. Our churches don’t even teach reliance on God. We have a nation full of psuedo-intellectual thinkers, a nation of people raised to believe it was a good thing, even admired to be on the government teat. They have no ambition, no care, and no hope. They are morally and ethically bankrupt. They have been spoon-fed the doctrine of political correctness. Somewhere deep down in side they know something is wrong however, that is why when the “messiah” came and offered “hope and change” they went for it like starving wolves. You may not need people like glenn to wake you up, to be a voice screaming in your ear before you fall off the cliff, but sadly many, many, many do need people like glenn. I am not saying glenn is always right, or that I agree with everything he says, I can think for myself, but he is telling the truth, and he is doing what needs to be done, and he has endured personal and public ridicule and hardship because of it. So what if he can profit from his “business”? His business is waking people up to the world around them as it is, and I hope business is booming. We need more willing to do the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    I did phone bank calls for Romney a couple of weeks ago in MI and I think it was 50/50 and Mi is pretty demo. so I believe we will win. by the way the only rude ppl were Dems.

  • Anonymous

    It has been quite some time since the last time I had a television, but even if I did, I don’t think I would waste my time on useless nonsense like “Today” or “The View” or any of the MSM “news” reports which are nothing but propaganda for the DemoncRATs.

  • Anonymous

    LOL Good one.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter what the divided split is. The coming elections can be fixed just like they are worldwide, and I believe that they will be again. Even if 70% of America leans right, doesn’t guarantee Romney’s victory. American’s are influenced more by what they see rather than using their heads. Therein lies the problem.

  • Anonymous

    At one time we looked to the media to expose governmental corruption. Now, the media enables The Corrupted.

  • Sargonarhes

    I realize you were emphasizing the word rats in the word democrats, but it almost looks as if you were trying to type in Demonic-Rats. Democrats = Demonic Rats. Sounds good to me.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with snowleopard. We are going to be headed over that cliff that everyone has been talking about. When the middle class can no longer pay for everyone else and keep the economy going, then America will revolt. When the lazy slugs are no longer able to receive their monthly allowance from the government – something will happen and I am sure it won’t be pleasant. I would have never thought in my lifetime, I would see America being brought to her knees. Hopefully, it is obvious to all Americans just what Obama is about and how he is trying to destroy everything we stand for, just to keep his father’s dream alive(what a crock of crap), but he is doing it and the American people are letting him get away with it. God help us!!!

  • new2la

    @Z…..remember how satan operates? He causes people to lie and deceive. The left wants us to believe we will and are losing. I say, Let’s wait and see what our Lord God thinks first. Let’s turn to Him for guidance and healing. He has done it before; He will do so again.

  • Anonymous

    Nicely said!

    That Blind Sheik hullabaloo really made me laugh. I’m convinced somebody suckered Beck and his Blaze “reporters” so they’d jump all over a phony rumor and end up looking foolish.

  • Anonymous

    Believe it or not – God has started that difficult process already. Things will ultimately become much worse before they get any better – but His hand is very active in the affairs of man. Our nation will ultimately be healed of this division, most of us refuse to see God is now at work, but all any of us has to do is, prove him at his word and observe the amazing talent of God.

  • Anonymous

    I agree – mostly. The problem is that we have so many people that don’t really know what is going on, because they do not bother to pay any attention. Al they hear from the media is pro-Obama, anti-Romney stuff, and they will probably vote for Obama again.
    I agree that it may come down to a communist vs. Islamist situation. Unless they go at each other and kill them all off, so that only true independents and center-right people remain. (hoping in vain, I know).
    I am terrified of this lame duck session. If Obama is not re-elected, the dems will not go quietly into the night.

  • Anonymous

    Why is it that the only ones calling for a civil war are the republicans

  • greywolfrs

    Actually, as you sit there and bluster, our children are not being taught critical thinking skills. Our liberal education system is a farce. We have several generations that have been dumb-downed to the point of voting for someone like Obamao without truly vetting him. Maybe some can “read between the lines” when it comes to the American media, but those generations were taught how to do it.
    I find it funny that you mention Justice Roberts. When the healthscare bill was going through congress, they called it a penalty. Justice Roberts just decided it was a “tax,” and voted it legal. The Democraps NEVER said it was tax. I guess your critical thinking skills are not as good as you proclaim.
    Socialist states? We will never get there, the system WILL collapse long before we reach that. The unsustainable deficits and debt will ensure that. Obamao has only added to the problem with healthscare. That is another HUGE entitlement program that we can not afford.
    Keep ignoring all the things right in front of your face, that seems to be working great for you. It seems you lack those critical thinking skills you were talking about.

    P.S. If you think all these muslims are not trying to get the Blind Sheik released, you lack those critical thinking skills. The only question is whether our government and Obamao are truly considering it.

  • greywolfrs

    The Koch Brothers are Libertarians. They are not “for” any of that stuff, they are “for” FREEDOM. They realize that people should have the freedom to do as they please, as long as they are hurting no one else. They also realize that they have the option NOT to participate. Freedom is a wonderful thing.

  • greywolfrs

    Actually, that is untrue. It may seem that way, but most people who are in the “middle” still believe in being fiscally conservative, i.e. not spending more than we take in. Most of them believe in small government and more freedom, which would be a Liberarian idea. To that end, I would say more lean to the right. Those same people also are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, but I would not say that makes them “liberal.”

  • Anonymous

    you do know that obama care actually saves medicare and helps reduce the deficit. plus saves lives

  • greywolfrs

    That is a lie. You seem to be one of those people who lack critical thinking skills. Here I will draw it in crayon for you:
    When the government adds 30 million people to the healthcare rolls, that means “demand” goes up. Since we are not adding doctors anywhere close to fast enough, it WILL go up. When that happens, the actual price of the services will shoot through the roof. When that happens, the mandated 12K for insurance will no longer be enough to cover the increase in cost. The insurance companies WILL lose money. That will cause them to go out of business. (No business will continue to lose money) Then we have ANOTHER healthcare crisis and naturally the government will need to step in and “do” something about it. Whatever will they do? They will impliment a single-payer, it’s the only thing they can do. Then the Democraps will have what they wanted all along.
    Even though it is unconstitutional.
    In conclusion, that bill will do none of the things this administration is spouting and you parrot. Next time, I suggest you look past the nose on your face…

  • Omegaomni

    lol if its 60% conservative why isn’t Rmoney winning by a landslide? Seems like conservatives are not all war mongering, throw people into the streets, trickle down economy people that FOX news and right wing mainstream media would have you believe.

  • Omegaomni

    maybe we should cut of foreign aid too like stop giving israel pakistan and saudi arabia money and weapons

  • Omegaomni

    Where in the bible does it talk about the united states and that it must maintain sovereignty? Jesus comes down and unites the world in ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT i know I just blew your mind

  • Anonymous

    actually it will lower the cost of insurance becasue those 30 million people will still get healthcare when they go to the ER and that is paid by us. the insurance compnies will not go out of buisness they will make profits because they just got 30 million new customers.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Grey – in case you haven’t noticed – the_independent_truth ….IS…our old friend corey. Hey corey boy can’t ever get enough of your brand of humor – what a clown

  • greywolfrs

    WOW! You completely missed everything I just told you. You actually think 30 million people on government subsidies is going to lower anything? OK, carry on, drone.

  • Anonymous

    That’s where I have to disagree, that is – on the issues of pro-choice and gay-marriage.

    These two issues have dire consequences for our nation. Now, I know that our opinion of God is much different – but let me explain why these two ideas are killing our nation and jeopardizing our sovereignty.

    God clearly demonstrates throughout the bible that as soon as a woman becomes pregnant, the fertilized egg now becomes a potential son of God – to simply kill it – is equal to murder in Gods eyes – seeing that God created mankind to eventually be in his everlasting kingdom – It is as if we have killed God or at least, a potential son

    Then there’s the issue of marriage, Jesus was murdered but rose to life again, this time he was reborn in a spirit body. He now sits next to God the Father on his throne in heaven. While here on earth before his death, Jesus started a church – one might say Gods church – or the church of God – simple enough….anyway, those who are called today (before Christ second appearance) to understand the hidden mystery searched out in the pages of the bible …again…. before Jesus comes back to the earth….. to save mankind from himself from a nuclear world war three – those who have opened their eyes and have proven for themselves (what God wants all men to eventually learn) before his second appearance – these few select people will have the opportunity to also share the same throne he now sits on – thus, they will MARRY JESUS AT HIS RETURN – so the symbolism of marriage is very important in the eyes of God. It forever shows the bonding relationship of Jesus (the husband) to his church (the wife) – At Christs return, those members who were loyal and faithful unto death, will be brought back to life and those who are still alive and are just as loyal and faithful, will be changed from mortal, to immortal in the twinkling of an eye. These are also known as the first-fruits and this is the first resurrection from death. Those who did not have the faith required at Christ’s return, will be brought back to life after he rules the earth for a thousand years, known by God as the second resurrection unto life – but the difference this time is – these billions of men and women, will be brought back in bodies that are flesh and blood – they all – will be given the information needed and required, to realize a rebirth into the kingdom of God…now though… as spiritual sons of God. Believe it or not – there is yet a third resurrection, this is the resurrection known to God, as, the resurrection unto death. This is for all those who have simply refused to live according to the rules set down by a perfect eternal being. Marriage then, is a god-plane relationship and was given to mankind as a perpetual reminder – as to the marriage of Jesus and his first-fruits. These few – will forever be ……co-rulers with him and will sit on the very throne of God. That is how important a marriage between a man and a woman is.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Zerogon still nothing intelligent to say.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t believe in pro-choice but it has nothing to do with religion, it’s about take responsibility for your action. If you have sex you basically are saying I’m ready to have children if you didn’t want children don’t have sex. Same sex marriage i have nothing against it is none of my business if mike and john down the street get married. Why should I care it does not effect me.

  • greywolfrs

    I guess, just another useful idiot. It just amazes me that these fools can not see past the nose on their face. They seem to just believe everything they told. Complete fools, every last one of them…

  • greywolfrs

    I doubt that any two people’s idea of God is the same. That being said, it is still not the government’s job to tell people the meaning of god or lack there of. Freedom means people have the right to make the wrong decisions, as well as the right ones. No one can dictate to people what those are, especially not the government. Let’s be realistic for minute, how many right decisions have the government made? They are far less than the wrong ones. Having them make those decisions for people would be a major fuck-up and, in the end, is NOT freedom.
    One can argue that it takes making the wrong decisions for people to learn, but if we never give them that freedom, how will they ever learn?

  • Anonymous

    Where ? – I’ll make it relatively easy for you – the bible is a book about Israel, from cover to cover…. the primary story is – past – present and future.

    Israel consisted of 12 nations (States – tribes) – (13 if you understand the history) anyway, America happens to be one of those tribes/nation/states of Israel. One simply has to prove that for him/herself. God gave them the land (making it sovereign) that now makes up the United States to our white English-speaking-people and he protected us throughout our history as long as the majority of our fellows acknowledged him, but sadly, today, there are more in our ranks who do not believe he even exists.

    Yes it is true what you say about Jesus returning soon, to do the job that men have never proved able to do – and that is – to rule or govern himself righteously.

    If men were to learn the ways of God (after all, that is why he gave us his instruction manual – the holy bible) there would be no need for him to return and do it in our stead. So no, you didn’t blow my mind.

  • Anonymous

    “Let this mind be in you – the same mind that is in Jesus Christ”…that saying by the way, can be found in the bible and what it means is – Jesus was able to live a perfect life – because he had a second spirit added to his human spirit – this second spirit is the Holy Spirit of God.

    Those who have this spirit – are of one mind – just as Jesus and his Father – were of one mind – they, one might say, were tuned into the same wavelength and spoke the same message and did not disagree on anything – they share a peace that enables them the ability to agree on every single issue.

    If those who have found Gods church, receive for themselves this additional Holy Spirit, they too, can be found in total agreement with each other and more importantly, with God.

    I agree – it is not the Governments duty nor their obligation to force a particular religion on any of us – BUT – God holds each of us accountable to find – the one truth – that will gain us eternal life.

    Therefor, if more of our members actually used this formula – our politicians would also be of one mind and agree – unlike the political wars that we all have become so accustom to.If more of us understood the one true God, they would-not-fuck-up as often as they do. But by not understanding God and his principles, we have imprisoned ourselves to our own stupidity because of ignorant disagreements which divide us.

    Your last sentence is in total agreement with the thinking of God – exactly – that is why we were created human to begin with. That way – when we stubborn humans finally learn that our ways lead to war and death – it will be easier for God to teach us the way to peace and life.

  • greywolfrs

    Well, if my last statement was in agreement with God, then why would you not want people to have the freedom to make their own mistakes? That would mean the government should not be involved in people’s personal choices. That would also mean that it is not for you, I or the government to tell others how to live. That would be FREEDOM. In the end, that is what God wanted.

  • Anonymous

    intelligent enough not to hide behind a false avatar…here’s a good one for you corey – “007 Bond-James Bond” – remember he was a spy just like you corey.

  • Anonymous

    You misunderstand me. I’ve never said anything about we humans shouldn’t be free to make mistakes. That is a major part of learning – some call it the school of hard knocks – I hope I graduate soon –

    The government should not be involved in our personal choices – they are for us to make and us only – BUT – God holds us each accountable to prove him at his word – in other words, to study his word (bible) as if we were in college and discover what it is – HE – wants us to see.

    I agree – again The difference being – if each of us rolled up our sleeves and did the required homework – it would become clear to us that God is much different then what main stream Christianity proclaims and the common sense way of thinking of God, would prevail in the thinking of our elected officials, who we then, could rely on more often to make the right decision, at least the vast majority of the time – Will there be mistakes – of course – but probably not the – nation breaking failures – as what we are up against today – by both major political parties – especially the Liberal Democrats

  • greywolfrs

    Where that may be true, I can say one thing, you can lead a horse to water…

  • Anonymous

    You’ve been reading my posts !- “He who is convinced against his will – is of the same opinion still” one of my all time favorites

  • greywolfrs

    Of course, I read your posts, we may not agree on everything, but I do read your stuff.
    On another note, I can see why one would think that there needs to be laws to protect some people from themselves, everytime I see corey/independent_moron I understand the concept. I just think there needs to be more chlorine in the gene pool.

  • Anonymous

    and throw in a life-vest or two just for good measure

  • Anonymous

    Let me tell you an interesting story corey,

    Once upon a time, there was a land called Sodom – in that land, there was every manner of sexual depravity. A land where same sex marriage was as common as we now find in America today….but back to the story…..

    There was one man who was called corey, this gentleman was a responsible individual and he didn’t encounter in sexual relations with a woman unless he was willing to care for said woman’s baby – if in fact, that were to happen.

    Now, this corey, a responsible citizen in the land of Sodom, didn’t think that the evil behavior his neighbors (Mike and John) who lived down the road would effect him – saying…”Its none of my business” and then it began to rain fire and brimstone down from the heavens and within a very short time, the city became completely destroyed.

    The point of my story is, what we do as a people – either good or bad – sooner or later effects us all.

  • Anonymous

    What if your not christian?

  • Anonymous

    I’ll repeat the main crux of my post, then maybe you can understand better and thus, answer your own question.

    The decisions we make throughout our lives – all of us – have consequences – For instance – if one pays off his mortgage years before the intended payoff, that person stands to save probably thousands of dollars – a direct effect for a good decision made.

    Now say for instance, there is an individual who continually remortgaged his home driving the cost of his monthly payment through the roof, then, said owner, took a cut in pay three years before the obligation to his contract was complete. This poor soul no longer was able to meet his payment and the bank moved in to foreclose.

    In the second scenario – over the years, the individual probably paid out twice as much money or more, than did the first individual, but by making bad financial decisions, after decades of meeting his payment – he ended up with nothing. The effects of this persons decisions were, that he no longer could hold a job and ended up homeless and broke. The first individual, bought a second home and now rents it out for supplement income.

    Now the same sort of scenario, can be applied to “religion” – God tells each of us to “prove him” and for us to do that, we must study his word the bible and see if those things are so – if we come to the conclusion and understand what it is he wishes us to understand – then – and this is most important – and then we apply what we have learned, to our everyday decisions we make. That person is known to God as a Christian. There’s more to the process than that but to save time I’ll leave there. Now, there are those, the people who refuse to prove God at his word – well, this is the decision we’re all faced with isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    correct this is a decision we all face and we face it alone and with God. but if you don’t believe no else should force that on you. So because two men get married my relationship with God does not change because what someone else does doesn’t effect my or your relationship with God. that is why i say it doesn’t matter if gays get married. it does not effect me.

  • Anonymous

    But it does – say for instance your nation is destroyed – at best, your life is drastically different, if you’re lucky enough to be alive.

    Now say for instance you were a Christian and death came knocking – well this individual probably will taste eternal life. My point is – what about all those who did not become converted and never even had a chance to prove God at his word before an untimely death due to national destruction.

    If the majority of us knew and understood the logical principles of God, then God would have no reason to destroy us – or to say that better – allow us to destroy ourselves – which leaves the door open for possibly millions or billions more to do the same thing you did and that is – to become converted to a Christian. This ignoring what bob and ted do down the road, is not a good enough answer – not morally speaking anyway. By making the wrong decision, to allow our fellow citizens their sinful behavior would rob many of a chance to live their lives the way God intended all we humans live.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t think so i Think god knows what in your heart and that is how you will be judged. not because you have not prove his word. i don’t think god need s to prove his word either you believe or you don’t if you don’t then that is between you and God.

  • Anonymous

    As to bluster–I am pretty sure that charge is guilty for all of us who comment on blog pages-that is why they are successful. Your posts make mine look emotionless. As to the education system, most of us are armed only with our own experiences; based on my review and involvement in my kids’ public school education, I could not disagree with you more. Their history and social studies (government, economics, and world geography) classes have regularly challenged them to think out of the box; they are required to do independent research and not rely on the text only; what differs in the high school US history books they use versus those of my generation is that fewer details or facts are provided in each era; I attribute that to be due in part to the fact that we have 35 more years of history since I was in high school. By the way, socialists and communists do not get any praise in those books. The birth and growth of unions at the turn of the 20th century and into the 20th century is presented favorably; their decline is not yet well written into the books. Oh, and my kids are well aware of the NEA and its local state chapters and the impact that a union has on their education; with strikes, they were not at all pleased to be missing out on school. And they did not need to listen to their old man complaining to form their own opinion. Not a single parent in our community, save for the teachers, supported the union in its stances on contracts. As to election of Obama as a metric of stupidity or lack of critical thinking, i would suggest to you that our country has elected bozos before and will do so in the future. I think we are by nature reactionary when it comes to election of our president. A few examples-A Nixon scandal begats a Jimmy Carter; Jimmy Carter’s stagflation/Iranian hostagecrisis/endless gas lines presidency begats the polar opposite and duly cannonized Ronald Reagan; Bill clinton charms just enough to capitalize on the fallout of the savings and loan scandal that was not George Bush’s fault ( and gets lucky due to wildman Ross Perot stealing votes from Bush); cant explain George Bush Jr. winning over Al Gore (economy was still running high-usually a good indicator for the incumbent party); oh, that’s right, he did not win. The Supreme Court found the chads were in his favor. Obama follows Bush Jr. why??? I think Americans were sick of Iraq and realized the invasion was a pretext for the implementation of the Cheney Rumsfeld Wolfowitz new domino theory on how to control the Middle East Islamic states; and George Jr. just never seemd to be in control. And of course , most conservatives never liked McCain. I guess that is a lesson for all Republicans who are not excited about Mitt Romney. Be lazy now, and you get four more years of Barack Obama.
    As to your other points, I share your concerns about our overburdened debt situation and know that my kids, no matter how well educated they become, will be stuck with these mistakes for their lifetime. Including Obamacare. i read the whole opnion and the dissent. Surprised I was that Justice Roberts pulled one out of the hat on the taxing power, but I am not as knowlegable as he on the topic. I am guesing he and Justice Scalia have gone a few rounds on the subject since and wil save the story for their memiors. But is does not come close to an impeachable offense as newly converted constitutional law scholar Beck suggested. As to your personal attacks (quite common for the Beck fans who beleive their man speaks the holy truth) I do not ignore that which is right in front of me. To the contrary, I think all of us critical thinkers owe it to ourselves and our countrymen to look deeper into the reasons for that which is in front of our eyes. Read carefully–I never said that the Islamists do not want the old Blind mouse’s release. I think the Islamists are crazy and our foreign policy has to be based on their collective desire to harm us. And for anyone paying attention to Egypt before Mubarak fell, even in the 1990s, had to be aware fo the struggles he had with Islamists. I was aware , through mainstream media and other more legitimate conservative news outlets than the Blaze, that Morsai immediately called for the Blind Terrorist’s release from his presidential pulpit.I also knew that would be a fatal mistake for our country and this President’s chances for re-election. Despite his mistakes, I could not believe that Obama or Clinton will let it happen–it is a zero sum gain. Like it is going to calm them down? As I posted earlier, I have 100% confidence that the situation was nevertheless evaluated by the State Department because a demand of some sort was made and that is their job to evaluate situations, and hence a rumor could be slightly modfied and turned into a story. I find it implausible that the Blaze could score such a scoop. It was laughable that as the story received successive denials, that the Blaze complained that the State Department would not respond to its inquiries. New Flash to Glenn–when you legitimize yourself as a journalist, then you might start getting your phone calls returned. When you masquerade as a new media prophet, not likely. There is the rub Mr. Grey Wolfs–I do not buy Glenn Beck’s act. I would be most concerned if my information source was limited to his website. Their ain’t nothin’ fair or balanced about it. he sells, in all shapes and forms his apocolyptic world view because it plays into people’s fears. emotions are often time more powerful than critical thinking–at lest they tend to drive people to buy more. So you and I may have a different opinion of the messenger Beck.

  • Anonymous

    By not proving his word – tells God volumes about what is in your heart – thinking we are wise we have become fools – our reasoning abilities hardly match what God has perfected – in the end – everything we do in this human life will be discussed with God – just you and him.

  • Anonymous

    Like you say at the end it’s between you and him he will judge you on what you did not weather two men get married.

  • Anonymous

    That is true – but, will we also be judged for our casual lack of concern for generations yet unborn – who may have walked with God and become great Christians – if time permitted – but – because we didn’t care all that much about what God thought was important and didn’t know what he warned in his word, because we failed to prove it for ourselves – that if sexual perversion were allowed to exist among us – it would lead to our national downfall and collapse – How do we answer for that irresponsibility?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t feel that it will lead to a collapse. I don’t see the connection between gays getting married and the collapse of the nation

  • Anonymous

    The reason you fail to understand this concept, is because you do not know the mind of God. If you were to study his word more extensively and prove to yourself what he actually says in the bible – then you would know where you error in your thinking.

    God says in the bible – “There is a way that seems right unto a man but in the end it leads to death”.

    (If you have a concordance look that verse up yourself.)

    Meaning our way of thinking – and – Gods way of thinking, are very different. And until we get on the same wavelength as God (not the other way around) we’ll never realize where we are going wrong, its as simple as that.

  • greywolfrs

    OK, nice book, but I am not reading that whole lne of garbage. I will however address a couple of issues.
    First, Glenn has never claimed to be a journalist, he is a political commentator, nothing more. Fair and Balanced is the FOX slogan, not GBTV or the Blaze. I know people like you have a problem realizing that they are two different entities, but they are.
    Second, You assume that my major source of “news” is the Blaze or Fox. Actually, I get my international news from a site called Haaretz, which you probably have no clue what that is.You assume that I agree with Glenn on all things. Both of these assumptions are wrong. Again, you prove you lack those critical thinking skills you are talking about. If you had them, you would realize that assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups…
    Third, I find it funny that you believe me to be emotional, which is another assumption. I am a “matter-of-fact” kind of person. Keep making assumptions though, that seems to be working great for you.
    Last, but certainly not least, muslim leaders have been trying to get the Blind Sheik released for a very long time. As I stated before, it just depends on whether the Obamao administration is actually entertaining those thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Tell that to Sodom and Gomorrah. They collapsed BECAUSE OF gays getting married, after all. If you don’t feel it will lead to a collapse, than you have totally ignored history as well as God’s own condemnations.