Glenn’s interview with David Barton

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Today on radio Glenn talked a little about the debate with David but also about what David calls his ‘most important’ project yet: The Founders Bible. David calls it the Bible that built America – check out the conversation in the clip above.

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GLENN: Let’s go to David Barton. David, where were you? Where were you? Really, it was a night we’ll all remember where we were when we saw Obama questioned and taken down for the first time. Where are you last night?

DAVID BARTON: Well, actually excuse me. Last night I was actually flying in from Columbus, Ohio at the time. So I got the replays. I didn’t get the live.

GLENN: It was it was amazing. Romney was such a man of honor and clarity.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: There was just no I mean, it was remarkable, I thought.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah. And everything I saw after I landed was exactly that. It was the calmness and it was the competency and the proficiency and, you know, I’m sorry. What you just did with Gore in Denver is great. I’ve got to say if that were true from a scientific standpoint, the Broncos would be undefeated, the Rockies would be undefeated, and the Nuggets would be undefeated because every team comes into town to play those guys and that would mean none of them could win. So that may be the most ridiculous story I’ve ever heard, ever.

GLENN: You’re a historian, I’m not, but I think you should check on that before you make that bold claim.

DAVID BARTON: I’m sure Patrick Henry had something to say on that because he talked about a lot of stuff but I tell you that’s one of the best concessions of defeat I’ve heard in a long time. That’s amazing.

GLENN: David, what do you think, for somebody because there’s a lot of Americans that are not on the Romney bandwagon.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: And I think a lot of Americans were like, we’ve got to lose a candidate or we have this and we have that and, you know, he’s not going to be able to fight in the debate. This is the debate that everyone was afraid of.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: This was the RomneyCare debate and I mean, look. He just stomped.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: What do you think is going to happen now with people on our side? Do you think this energizes them and all of a sudden they find themselves going, “I am I am anxious to vote for this guy?”

DAVID BARTON: I think that there’s going to be some energy added to the fire, but I think a whole lot of energy is created by Obama himself and by really the crisis in which he’s placed on the nation. I don’t think there’s anyone that doesn’t know all the different areas that he is so screwed up, religious liberties are at stake and, you know, that was one of the things that was hit last night was life and religious liberties. I don’t think there’s many people don’t understand that and don’t understand the economic side. I think this is going to give some people some more comfort in going forward and say, “Hey, this may be a whole lot better option than what I thought.” But the energy level is still high.

GLENN: Anything, anything that you saw that stuck out at you?

DAVID BARTON: Yeah. You know, what I saw was the calmness and the not being shook. The competency. He really acted like a chief executive. He handled all the stuff. He really made a contrast. And there was times when you could see the president visibly shaken.

GLENN: Yeah.

DAVID BARTON: Just, his confidence was gone. And I think that that’s the image you want. I mean, I go back to what Ann Romney did. I think one of the most significant parts of what she did at the convention actually was giggling. And I say that because we’ve always thought of the Romneys as ivory tower, way up there hifalutin New England people and she suddenly became just like a cheerleader, just like the girl next door and it was a really cool effect. I think that’s the same kind of psychological effect that it had last night. People are really comfortable with his confidence and, wow, you know, he didn’t struggle. He really made the president struggle. And I think that that’s part of the takeaway is that they get a confidence, a feel of confidence in what he did last night.

GLENN: I don’t know if any I don’t know if they’ve posted it yet up on TheBlaze but I tweeted a picture out today of the Romneys making peanut butter/jelly sandwiches backstage.

DAVID BARTON: I love it. Yeah.

GLENN: I mean, they’re real people.

DAVID BARTON: They are. And see, that’s not the image that’s come through.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

DAVID BARTON: And so all the benevolence he’s done and all the stories we’re finding out about him, that just changes the whole image of what we’ve all thought about him for the last four years.

GLENN: So David, let me switch gears. I tweeted last night after it was all said and done to remember to fall down on your knees in thanksgiving.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: I mean, I prayed yesterday like never before that the scales would fall from people’s eyes, that you’d be able to see who he was.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: And who Obama was. And I mean, I you know, I think this was just, you know I believe in divine providence and divine protection.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: And I think we saw that last night, and we have to give thanks.

Let me let me switch gears here a little bit and talk about your Founders Bible. Because you said to me last week when we spoke off air about the Founders Bible. You said this is probably the most important thing you’ve ever done.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah. No question in my mind. I think the best way I’ve heard it described is if you go back historically, the Geneva Bible is the Bible that built America, shaped a generation because it took the Bible but it made it very practical through commentaries.

GLENN: Explain. Explain what the Geneva Bible is. That’s the Bible that our founders used. It wasn’t the King James Version. They used the Geneva Bible. What was the difference?

DAVID BARTON: The Geneva Bible is what came out of the reformation and it was people saying, wait a minute, I know we’ve done it this way for 1400 years but look what the scripture says. This is wrong. We’re not supposed to be electing kings. We’re supposed to be electing leaders ourselves. So that’s where we get Republican government. That’s why we found out that we should be buying land from the Indians rather than taking it from the Indians.

GLENN: And it was it was the commentary on the side.

DAVID BARTON: It was the commentaries that did it and that’s what drove King James crazy. That’s why he came out with the King James Bible. It was essentially the same language but he would not allow commentaries in the Bible. And so the commentaries is what was used to build our judicial system, our legal system, our government system, our education system, our economic system. And so the same commentaries the founders made 250 years ago, that’s what we’ve taken to the Founders Bible.

GLENN: Okay. Now, explain this a bit when you say you’ve taken it from the commentaries. Because you and I have had this conversation that the language of our founders is so riddled with biblical verse that most people don’t even know. If you don’t know the Bible inside and out, you don’t know that that’s a quote from the Bible.

DAVID BARTON: That’s exactly right.

GLENN: And so you took their writings.

DAVID BARTON: We took the writings. For 25 years we’ve been collecting their documents and writings. We have 100,000 of their writings. And what we found is they are loaded up with Bible references and Bible verses. And we’ve been collecting that. And then last year a Bible publisher came and said, “Hey, let’s do a commentary on the Bible.” And I thought, hey, this is a great time to let the Founders comment on the Bible. And for example, three times John Adams cites Jeremiah 17:9 as why they did separation of powers in the Constitution. Now, I don’t think anybody today would choose that verse that they were doing separation of powers, but there’s a reason they did that. The same with economic system.

GLENN: Wait, wait. Let’s pretend that John Jeremiah, the one you quoted.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah, Jeremiah 17:9 says, “The heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it.” And from that they get, you know, that’s the depravity of man. Man’s going to do the wrong time every time he gets a chance unless there’s some type of divine intervention to change his heart and so if that’s the case, we better figure on government doing the wrong thing every time. So we need to divide the powers up so that maybe one branch will be righteous while the other two are wicked and maybe there’s a way for one to check the others. And so they go into extensive, extensive presentation of why that verse is what drives their idea of separating the powers. And George Washington jumps on that, as does Alexander Hamilton and James Madison and others. So that becomes a very significant verse in shaping their thinking on why do separation of powers.

GLENN: What is the what is the thing as you were putting this together? What is the one place or one area or topic that you think, “Oh, my gosh, if people just knew this today”?

DAVID BARTON: You know, I don’t know that there was one. The one area that got me was how applicable all the stuff is to today. When they started talking about types of taxes that are good and types of taxes that are bad, man, I saw our tax code and said we’ve really screwed this thing up. When I saw what they said about how to help the poor and social programs, I looked and said, man, we’ve really goofed this thing up. And what was profound most to me was how relevant all of that stuff 250 years ago was to exactly the stuff we’re facing today. And quite frankly I may have been most shocked over all the things they had to say about abortion. Because I just didn’t realize it was an issue back then. And all of the biblical references on why abortion is wrong, and I

GLENN: How did they wait. How was there abortion? I didn’t know that, either.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah, I actually have an 1808 book on abortions in America. Jefferson and the other guys, and their legal codes made abortion illegal because they said it’s a violation of the laws of nature and of nature’s god. There’s nothing in nature that kills its young while still in the womb. And as it turns out abortion was a big issue back then. But the difference was they said it’s illegal as opposed to Roe V. Wade saying it’s legal. So that’s the kind of stuff that shocked me

GLENN: I’ve never

DAVID BARTON: was how applicable it was to what’s going on today.

GLENN: Wow, had absolutely no idea.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: David, the you came under an awful lot attack, huge attack like I’ve never seen before. I talked to a preacher the other day and I said, have you read David’s Bible yet? And he said, I just got a copy of it. And I said, you know, I just thumbed through it and just, you know, start reading some of the stuff in it. It’s remarkable.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: He said, I think this Bible is the reason David came under attack. He said, I think that you know, I think this is so important that that’s why people tried to discredit you. Not saying that they knew that. But that’s why you are you’ve been just ravaged in the last year.

DAVID BARTON: Well, I really think that this is a new Geneva Bible. This is what will shape this generation or can shape this generation’s thinking, and this will last for generations to come because it’s timeless truth, of guys that did it 250 years ago. And I do think that that’s probably why all of the attacks came is to try to minimize this and discredit this and bring this down before it even happened. And I didn’t realize that at the time and I don’t think the guys making the attacks realized that at the time, but I think, you know, in a way that both God and Satan had debates back over Job, I think that’s probably what was going on at the time was, hey, this is coming out; I’ve got to do something to knock this down before people start reading it. And I really, I think he’s right. I think

GLENN: You and I have been you and I have been ridiculed in the last couple of days because we’ve talked about divine providence and that, you know, the Lord’s will will be done.

DAVID BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: If we stand, if we stand at guard.

DAVID BARTON: Yep.

GLENN: I thank you for standing guard for so long and thank you for your work. If you want to get this, you can get it at WallBuilders.com. It’s the Founders Bible, the original dream of freedom, the Founders Bible. Get it at WallBuilders.com. Do it now. Every American should own a copy of this. David, we’ll talk again. Thanks so much.

DAVID BARTON: Thanks, Glenn. Bless you, bro.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    This is just great the left are freaking out and Obama lost more voters. Ha ha!

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Oh the left is burning on the spot, this is the end game for them – they will not know how to deal with it or how to stop it being used.

  • Anonymous

    The idea that you can say the founders were christians, as one cohesive group, is a severe historical oversight. There were serious differences and some issues between the various denominations at that time, there wasn’t much of an idea of being a christian. You were Episcopalian, or Catholic, or Lutheran etc.
    Of the founding fathers slightly over half were Anglican, a couple were catholic, a few more were Quaker, a handful of Lutherans, a fair amount of Presbyterians, and at least one Unitarian.
    Ben Franklin was about as openly atheist as you could be at the time and both Thomas Payne and Thomas Jefferson showed atheist tendencies, while neither were likely atheists they certainly were not particularly religious as both were ardent supporters of the french revolution which was overtly anti-church and anti-religion.

    “All men are created equal and independent. From that
    equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable.” Was the original wording in the Declaration that Jefferson wrote, the religious overtones were added by the congress.

    Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York,
    protested in October 1831 during the second great awakening: “Among
    all our presidents from Washington
    downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than
    Unitarianism.”

    We are not a country counciously founded on christian beliefs, certainly not within our government document. We are a country flavored by christian beliefs for no other reason than they were an integral part of European history (specifically the English Civil War which the American Revolution was really just a continuation of) and culture and did influence enlightenment thinking.

  • scanner

    You know, I like a lot of things about this guy but how do you publish something called “The Founders Bible” and use the NASB as the text? Neither the Geneva Bible nor the King James used the text behind the NASB which is Alexandrian. Almost 100% of exisiting Greek Manuscripts agree with the King James text while the NASB uses a Greek text that includes all of the spurious New Testament books such as the Gospel of Peter.

    As far as anyone knows, the 1st book published in America was the King James Bible. Seems like Barton has bought the lie of the higher critics.