Is the White House asking private companies to break the law?

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Unemployment numbers were released this morning, and they were actually good.

Or were they?

Last month, unemployment was reported at 8.4%. This month the number has fallen to 7.8%. The questing is: How did it get there?

TheBlaze.com reports:

  • Unemployment drops to 44-month low to 7.8%
  • However, many are questioning the numbers due to “contradictory data points” such as the total unemployment level soaring but the low net number
  • Government says 873K people found work — but reports only 114K new jobs were added
  • Former GE CEO alleged fraud, sending a tweet saying “these Chicago guys will do anything”
  • Popular finance blog Zero Hedge even called it a “pre-election ‘massaging’ farce”

“We all want Americans to be employed.  We all want that.  Nobody roots against the economy.  Nobody roots against Americans, umm, but it’s just all spin,” Pat told listeners this morning. “What happened was the employment force has gone down so much.  If we had the same level of the workforce that we started the year out with, what would the employment rate be today?”

“8.4%,” Stu replied.

Despite the obvious spin of the numbers, Pat pointed out that the administration will trumpet this and use it to slow down the momentum of the Romney campaign following the debate earlier this week.

“It’s going to be agonizing,” Pat said.

Stu, who is not one to jump on the “their manipulating the numbers” bandwagon, pointed out that economists expected to add 115,000 jobs — 114,000 were actually added. The economists also predicted unemployment to rise from 8.1% to 8.2%.

“Instead it went all the way down to 7.8%.  Now, they got the jobs number right, but they somehow missed the unemployment rate by .4.  I can’t remember that ever happening,” he said. “I’m sure it has in the past, but it’s pretty rare, and it’s shockingly convenient for this administration.”

The fact of the matter is, that if the administration wasn’t worried about unemployment numbers, they wouldn’t be making deals with contractors behind closed doors regarding layoff notices. Stu brought up a story that broke earlier this we regarding defense contractor Lockheed-Martin.

“Lockheed‑Martin heeded a request from the White House ‑‑ this is from a couple of days ago ‑‑ one with political overtones and announced it will not issue layoff notices to thousands of employees just days before the November presidential election.”

TheBlaze.com describes the move from the White House:

“The White House has told defense contractors not to issue layoff notices in November (four days before the election) in preparation for possible budget cuts on Jan 2, which even ABC News calls a move with “political overtones”.

According to the WARN (Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification) Act, contractors are required to give workers a 60 day notice if they are about to be laid off. The across-the-board budget cuts that could happen in January apparently fall under the requirement. But the White House disagrees, and is begging contractors not to do it. In fact, the administration is even promising to pay legal costs if the cuts happen and the companies are sued for not following the law.

In short, Republicans feel the White House is buying off companies to avoid bad press in the 11th hour before the election.”

“So now, you might say, as Lockheed‑Martin said, ‘Wait a minute, though, because it’s a law.  So if we don’t give them these pink slips, they could sue us.  They can ‑‑ all these workers can say, hey, you didn’t give us any warning and you have to by law and they could sue us.’  So what does the government say?  ‘Don’t worry about that; we’ll cover it if they sue you’,” Stu explained.

Basically, the Obama Administration went to a private company and told them that they could break the law, and if they get sued because of it they’ll cover the fees

“And we don’t think they would manipulate a freakin’ unemployment number?” Stu asked.

It’s hard to imagine why the White House would feel the need to go to such lengths if they were having such “success” at boosting alleged job creation.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    The law says they are to give notice 60-days in advance; Obama told them otherwise; so the fact is clear, the White House is yet again involved in more corruption and in criminal activity.

    It shows how desperate Obama is feeling when he offers bribes to the company, to meet and cover any expenses if they are sued in violating the law.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    For the record, with breaking the law – yes; and Obama does not ‘ask’ he bribes and then moves to blackmail, threats, and outright slander and intimidation as with Gibson Guitars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dominic-Menaldi/1107858627 Dominic Menaldi

    REALLY A GANGSTER FROM CHICAGO.I CAN’T BELIEVE IT

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Now we know why Obama did not try. He knew the unemployment rate would drop. If they told Lockheed‑Martin not to give out these notifications how many other companies did he told to break the law? I say this is fraud being shoved into the faces of we the people. This is why he didn’t fight because he knew this would happen. We need an investigation done.

  • la4fsu

    We have a situation where figures don’t lie but liars figure

  • MarsBarsTru7

    *Yawn*

    Seriously, is there anyone with a functioning frontal lobe that doesn’t understand this is completely bogus? The biggest job boost in the last half century just suddenly happened in what has been a horrendous market while gas prices are skyrocketing (over $4.50+/g in many places here throughout California… One of the biggest oil producing and refining states in the country) food is skyrocketing, and more factories are closing… And it happens JUST before the election. Aren’t there laws that require the government to be honest? WHO THE HELL IS ENFORCING THE LAW???

    Law violation #1,489,231 by the Obama administration. The filing cabinet is filling up, yet “impeachment” still remains a dirty word. But what are we, the American people thinking? Why should we expect the rule of law? We’ve been living without the law being applied to the highest levels of government for so long now, we should be used to it. Why not? We’re complicit because we keep voting for people that won’t follow the law.

    A high-level government law violation in this country amounts to a temporary scandal and nothing more. Tell me, how many Congressmen or Senators, or senior bureaucrats are currently sitting in prison for violating the law? How many have been sent to prison in the last half-century? How many “scandals” has their been resulting in someone stepping down from their position or retiring or simply taking a back seat? How many others have just been speed bumps creating temporary negative poll numbers for the instigator of the “scandal”?

    I want to know this information. I’m glad Beck provides it. But I’m so far beyond being surprised I that I have to compartmentalize the information to the extreme because most of my brain goes into coma mode hearing this stuff.

    What’s going to surprise me is the day we have a government that starts shutting down programs, agencies, and federal government grants and actually relinquishes some of the unconstitutional power that has been assumed.

    This is not America. Not the America it is supposed to be. This is some strange fascist-corporatist-socialist hybrid bereft of anything resembling a country of principles. We’re in Mussolini’s Italy for crying out loud! All that is missing is the violence of military response to dissent.

    My rant for the day. I’m done. Back into the coma. Nothing new to see here. *Eyes closed*

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Sarcasm noted, and delighted in. It is a very apt description for how Mr Obama handles things.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dori.oneil Dori O’Neil

    You are so right. November 6, Christian nation or Islam Nation with Sharia law? What you want. He’s missing something upstairs.

  • Anonymous

    We smart people don’t believe anything that comes out of the white house administration! ‘Democrats for Romney’ are all voting for Romney!!! We have eyes and ears to see how the real unemployment numbers are. Obama only wants to legally steal from those that have to give to everybody. Get rid of Obama,any way we can!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dori.oneil Dori O’Neil

    Obama is so desprite. Bribes and intimidation is all he has. The debates showed what we have been dealing with for 4 years. Disinterested, spaced out, don’t care about the American problems attitude. even his own party is trying to cover up now. They are shocked with what we knew all along.

  • Anonymous

    yomamma stopped the BIG layoff for Lockheed. They are counting the jobs that would have been lost by this and so he paid them to wait. Also fox told how many thousands of businesses were hiring for the holiday season and they are using these figures. Also he hired thousands of phone callers for his political crap. Go figure.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. they’re called libtards.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Good rant, true and to the mark – nothing more I can add to it.

  • nans

    YEP, WE’RE ON TO THE GUTTER RAT!!

  • nans

    ONLY THE OVOMIT LOVERS WILL EAT IT UP, AND SAY MY GOD IT’S PERFORMED A MIRACLE!!!

  • Draxx

    I would be scared of the Butt-Beating I would have received as a child for telling such a big lie…

    Why do they get away with it like it is nothing?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dori.oneil Dori O’Neil

    Fascist-corporatist-socialist hybrid bereft of anything resembling a
    country of principles, a country of law and justice and liberty. We’re
    in Mussolini’s Italy. Truest statement in a long time. Does anyone see the writing on the wall. November 6, we will have our Christian Country known as America,turned over to have a new Islam, Muslim, Sharia law country. Oh, don’t forget, back to the race card.. Obama just got caught with a video on racism two days ago that he thought he had hidden so no one could find it. Funny, Stephanie, his teleprompter kitty is trying to get Romney to take that video off the mainstream. She thinks we are cruel. Ha, Ha. The bible talks about cruel demonic forces in politics that destroy the land if we don’t cry out to God for deliverance.

  • Anonymous

    OBAMA IS A GOOD PRESDIENT HELL … I THINK.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gene.lasater.7 Gene Lasater

    Here in Colorado they make it so hard and time consuming to get on unemployment people give up and try to get by without it. So makes the numbers look better then they are. I have been on hold to get my claim through for 4 mouths. Older workers that could still be in the workforce are taking early social security to get by. There are not much out there for the over 50 age groups

  • greywolfrs

    I am still amazed at all the left wing dolts that still buy this guy’s bullshit. I mean, really, do you mofos need to be hit in the head with a brick, it sure seems like it.

  • Anonymous

    It’s called manipulating the statistics. Nixon did it to show blacks were not catching up in mainstream society (noted in the Moromoto Documents—a series of memos between Nixon and Moromoto and can be found in National archives). It isn’t surprising to fine that obammy is still cooking the books in order to make himself look good. This disgusting puke needs to go!!!

  • Anonymous

    Since he promised Lockeed that they would pay all the fines and legal fees for breaking the law, how is he going to do that when he loses the election? Guess that’s why we call the period between the election and the inaugeration the Lame Duck. One has to wonder if Congress will intervene to stop the pay-offs (which would also be illegal).

  • http://twitter.com/GlindaStamper Glinda Stamper

    @disqus_BDSDKsgvYG:disqus even his own party is trying to cover up now. They are shocked with what we knew all along. Marcus said I am amazed that people able to make $6257 in a few weeks on the network. have you look this(Click on menu Home)..Ace16.com

  • Anonymous

    So tired of being fed Lies. The books surely are getting cooked and this is insulting. The media need a kick in the butt along with the big spenders in D.C.
    Wonder if we will ever hear the truth …………

  • windtalker700

    Stall, stall, stall, we cant let them find out it doesn’t work
    until Obama wins his second term. Then the Marxist utopia can be revealed!

  • VindicatorX

    Every point correct!

  • VindicatorX

    Gump’s momma said it best – “stupid is as stupid does.”

  • VindicatorX

    Yes, they are.

  • VindicatorX

    That investigation needs to come from an Impeachment committee.

  • VindicatorX

    They have no conscience or soul.

  • VindicatorX

    You are right – they’d rather we didn’t exist at all, and it shows in their policies and politics.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, unemployment numbers ”convenient for this administration.” As Church Lady would say: ‘HOW convenient!’ As regards the contractors—do they actually believe the gov’t when they say they will cover any fees if they are sued? What if they don’t cut some of their employees and the Prez loses? They would still have to let some of the
    employees go, wouldn’t they? And will the gov’t fulfill their promise?

  • MarsBarsTru7

    http://www.romney-democrats.com/

    These people? The beauty (sarcasm) of being Romney is that it isn’t much of a stretch to win Democrat votes.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Yep. This is the scary core truth behind all of this charade.

  • Anonymous

    Oh my gosh.
    glenn has to be right.
    glenn and the other two inbreds who wipe his ass obviously prove it with their “facts”!!!
    There is no way that unemployment went down!!!
    Why?
    If it was reported to rise glenn wouldn’t say a frickin’ word!!!
    But now salad tosser and the other culties who worship this bigot will be more than happy to work their tongues out to turn on their cult leader!!!

  • worried

    What else is it going to take for Impeachment Hearings to begin, Another Benghazi or Fast & Furious or “don’t issue Notices before Elections”? The list is mounting. Where is our Congress when we need them?

  • Tyneesha

    Would someone please block strtlk as he continually posts attacks and nonsensical drivel. He does appear how to engage in normal back and forth dialogue.

  • Tyneesha

    Unemployment stats just came out in my state two weeks ago (CT) and were at 9%.

  • SoThere

    Fewer jobs+increase in people who have stopped looking= lower unemployment rate.
    What has been reported are the U2 numbers, If you don’t know what the U2 and U6 numbers are then you’re ignorant of how things work. The real unemployment numbers as reported in the U6 figures has not changed. It’s still at 15 %.
    Stay stupid and brainwashed.
    OBTW, if the SCOTUS can be gotten to by Obama then the Labor Secretary is a minor challenge.

    You’re an ignorant vulgar hate monger strtlk. The only bigot here is you. Go clean some toilets Phony Soldier.

  • Anonymous

    Considering that the Whitehouse is asking DoD contractors to break the law, don’t you think that in and of itself is an odd kind of behavior? And since we don’t count people who’ve exhausted their unemployment benefits, or given up altogether, what do you think the real number is? And when did Beck, Stu, or Pat use “their” numbers? You have got to be blind or ignorant not to see these things…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1334883866 John Scurich

    And why would “any” of these defense contractors honor Obama’s “illegal” request? After all, Obama has recently stated he’s planning massive cuts to the Defense budget – and many of these contractors will be impacted by those cuts. So why in the world would they want to do “anything” that could possibly help him? Hey contractors! Here’s your chance to crack back at him!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1334883866 John Scurich

    Right…the lowest single monthly drop in unemployment in 29 years??? But in the very same last 30 days, more people have been added to the Food Stamps and government assistance registers, and once again the the growth of the economy did not keep pace with the increase in inflation, which “historically” does not take place when you have a supposed “increase” in employment. So, can Obama and any of the libtards explain how this is actually possible?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1387551384 Floy Renee Goodwin

    Vote Jill Stein.. End all of this…. End the fight between Dem’s and Rep’s…

  • new2la

    Collapse the thread. He and others like him….believe it or not, have the right to be here. What he doesn’t have the right to do is lie and spew hatred. That said, Look at him as a means of entertainment and a view into the liberal mindset; it’s very telling and the material he provides us for rebuttal, is kind of fun.

  • new2la

    Yet many don’t see the dictator in the making? Telling private companies how to run their business and no one on the other side sees nothing wrong with that?
    It’s time the dumocrax party to be brought down to their knees and humbled.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Eureka! I’ve figured out where the job numbers are coming from:

    Everyone that receives an Obamaphone is considered employed!

    Case closed… http://www.ahappypets.com/pet_info/sunglasses_dogs/Carterwearingmysunglasses.gif

  • ValueSet

    I agree, however can we make that “Machiavellian Italy”? Mussolini got the trains to run on time , at least. (She says drily ). Whereas Obama’s policies have just allowed the government bureaucracy to expand to maximum inefficiency.

  • Anonymous

    I think there must be a rounding error. It seems that 23 million unemployed in 2009 and 23 million unemployed now, and Obama keeps claiming over 4 million have been employed during his administration. The only thing that explains the math is imaginary numbers and another than the number system.

  • Brian Skrocki

    Hey this admin, most transparent in history, would never do such a thing. The honesty which flows from this entire admin, senate and even congress is staggering. I do pray, honestly, that this guy gets FIRED in November. The amount of contempt that they hold the people in is just ridiculous. We aren’t that stupid are we? Then again we did buy snake oil from this sales guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Margery-Ripley/100001057674954 Margery Ripley

    “republicans feel” they are buying off…. ANYONE WITH A SPECK OF INTEGRITY KNOWS THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! GOOD GOD i CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS GUY TO GET HIS WHIPPING AND BE GONE!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Margery-Ripley/100001057674954 Margery Ripley

    wHERE IS LOCKHEED ON THIS? AREN’T THEY THE ONES WHO JUST BUCKED THE uNION THING IN THE CAROLINAS. sTEP UP AGAIN GUYS WE ARE WITH YOU!!

  • Rasley

    The reason that the notification issue won’t amount to much is because of the labor unions. Rather than holding the companies accountable, they will sit on their hands (or rather have their members do so) instead of discharging their duties as representatives of the workers. I would also go out on a limb and say that regardless of what laws may or may not exist, most of the same requirements exist in collective bargaining agreements (which are legally binding documents signed by both labor and management).

    Hayek warned us that we could expect this sort of behavior from the elements of a corporatist society (namely big business, government, and big labor).

  • Rasley

    Oh, one more thing.

    Where they could get themselves into difficulty is with the salaried workers who are not represented by unions. They will be the ones who stand the best chance of derailing this entire deal since there’s no one to muzzle or keep them in line.

  • Anonymous

    All this show that obama have no respects for our laws ,are government check balance with 3 branches of government and our constitution ,if your in lockstep with him it’s okay to break the law ! Now at this time obama is enforcing the law not in equal matter and discriminate way ,telling or threatening defense companies not to abide by the law in giving notice to it’s employee to prepare for pending layoff before election cause by obama defense cuts !!! Our President is afraid of losing votes otherwise these companies would give their employee proper warnings !!!!

  • Anonymous

    Of course they did. Obama’s election team doesn’t care that everyone knows what they are doing because they obviously are NOT catering to those people with more than air in their heads, they are pandering to those like “phone woman” who will vote for anyone who gives them “stuff”.

    There literally seems to be no end to the brazen activities of the Obama presidential reelection machine. They make campaign videos that cite as sources liberal journalists who are so horrified by the facts that are being ascribed to them that they are condemning their darling and loudly stating that they never said the things that the commercials state. Is this enough to warrant a retraction? Absolutely not. It’s free advertising!! When Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi commit outrageous acts, make completely baseless accusations and lie, lie, lie, it’s not shameful, it’s courageous! Their commercial stating that Romney has “illegal” accounts in foreign countries, use poorly edited Romney footage that cuts out everything before and after a couple of words that uses less than two seconds of the statement, that’s not editing, in fact, it doesn’t even matter to them that the speech that was given didn’t mention China ONCE!!

    The evidence is mounting against the Obama administration in spades, yet they do not care. Why should they? They can criticize Romney for the 47% statement, yet, they are absolutely counting on that number to give them a pass because they have promised even more redistribution schemes with a phone in every hand and the destruction of the hated 1% who supply jobs and support for everyone else. Mitt stands by what he says and I’m glad because how else could they possibly act in this way and know full well that there is no chance that the media will report it accurately, and if they can’t defend it, will blatantly ignore it. There is literally no downside to their lies and outrageous behaviors.

    The one thing that this DOES do, however, is marginalize the fence sitters. If they are still sitting on the fence after what Romney is going to do to Obama during the next debate, then it is a practically foregone conclusion that Obama could win because the stupid, the merely foolish, the uninformed and those who feel entitled to everything that everyone else has without having to work for it will dominate. Romney will have vast amounts of evidence that can easily best any explanation that “teleprompter boy” Obama simply cannot refute.

    The largest drop in unemployment in the last 50 years, in direct contradiction to every statistician, mathematician and economist (including the liberal ones) stating that unemployment is HIGHER, not dramatically lower is simply unsupportable. What it is, however, is easily refuted in consideration of the previous actions of this corrupt and evil administration. They have consistently had to wring their hands in the face of numbers that show we are slipping into the largest recession in history. Now, I don’t know if Obama’s grade school taught him to add and subtract, but this is so blatant that it is breathtaking.

    We need to stop allowing Obama to set the agenda. Romney needs to lead with verbal napalm over the next few weeks and crucify his opponent. The assumption of bumbling, yet well meaning mistakes is now gone. Romney should call this exactly what it is because this is something that no matter how hard he tries, Obama has gone too far this time and even his normally rabid supporters are a little uncomfortable with their inability to explain this away. Romney is a business expert and without any sophisticated help can show the dishonesty inherent in this administration.

    The very best economist is the one who has participated in the economy. His opponent has never once held a job in the sector that actually provides jobs. Obama constantly and consistently ridicules those who actually get the job done in spite of oppressive government policies because, while he can sure talk black when he acts as “chief panderer”, it is his policies, his lies, his communism and his unworthiness disqualifies him for a second term as president of the United States.

  • Anonymous

    The truly infuriating thing about this is that he is going to defense contractors that are vulnerable if he wins. The best thing they can do is to just give in because if he is president, they simply cannot survive. He will make it a special point to direct contracts elsewhere.

    Legally, what Obama is asking them to do is to knowingly violate the law because he states that his administration will not give out “specifics” of the probability of lost jobs, therefore, the defense contractors will be able to claim that they did not “specifically” know that their projects are on the chopping block.

    At best, this is blatant fraud and warrants impeachment. No matter who the president is, no matter how stupid, corrupt and arrogant the attorney general, planning a crime is conspiracy. Even when you do it in the open, it does not change the crime-it just indicates rabid, terminally incurable narcissism and contempt for the rule of law.

    Isn’t it just classic that, one month prior to an election, this administration once again knowingly sparks yet another constitutional crisis that will most likely end up in the Supreme Court. I fully expect that we will see other acts that make these pale in comparison. I fully believe that, if they can see a way to get away with it, they will commit large scale election fraud. Hey, why not? It worked like a charm for Washington’s governor, Christine Gregoire and Al Franken, who copied Gregoire’s playbook for election fraud, with the full support of the liberal, revisionist federal judiciary.

    I can see where this is going. We are literally careening at breakneck speed down a switchback laden trail with no thought for the consequences of what is being attempted. The more that Obama can destroy, the higher the likelihood that, even should he lose this election, it will be virtually impossible to undo the damage, thus continuing the further demise of the United States of America.

    Every decision Obama has made, every choice by this evil, vile man has been executed with ultimate destruction as the eventual goal. To believe otherwise is towering stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    I am extremely sorry.
    I should spend more time talking to geniuses like you!!!
    Could you please enlighten everyone on what you meant by “He does appear how to engage in normal back and forth dialogue”?
    Were your parents 1st cousins?
    Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
    Don’t worry too much.
    glenn doesn’t care if you are an idiot.
    glenn just wants your money and blind commitment.
    So please tell me why I should converse with someone who my 3 year old niece could crush in a debate?

  • Anonymous

    becklings like you never cease to surprise me.
    You have no clue what impeachment requirements are.
    In addition to this, the House is controlled and led by Republicans.
    If you want to blame anyone for not pushing you ignorant agenda, call your Republican Reps!!!

  • SoThere

    strtlk is an idiot. The Senate is controlled by Harry Reid the MORMON who is currently blocking over a dozen bills in the Senate that have already been passed in the house. The Democrats are the party of “NO” and it’s his and Obama’s ignorant agenda that’s destroying the country.

    How do we stop this? Vote Romney/Ryan in November and send these idiots packing.

  • SoThere

    Strtlk’s a leftist samming moron who blames the worlds problems on Glenn Beck. He deals in insults and libel because he has nothing else.

    He’s also a Phony Soldier who faked his military service, turns VULGAR when he has nothing else to throw at you and has a unhealthy fixation on another man (Glenn Beck). OH, don’t forget his weird fixation on little children.

    He couldn’t crush a newborn in a debate, he’s stupider than dirt.

    Save America from idiots like strtlk, vote Romney/Ryan 2012 and shut this moron up.

  • Anonymous

    Something for Glenn,Stu,Pat to look into another illegal action by obama in breaking the laws to put in a fix for the election !!!??? On fox news Monday Oct 8 !! It was mention that obama campaign was soliciting and accepting foreign donations ( which both actions are illegal by law) for cover under 200 dollars donations, so need not be reported with very lax security (on purpose ??) and many the donations are coming from the Middle East !!!???( P.S petty sure not coming from Israel who obama throwing under the bus !!) Question is obama and radical Muslim playing con game ,to make obama look like a Muslim enemy ,but in the big picture obama is their Trojan horse to destroy our country from within to bring down our country and setting stage for riots ,chaos,for Muslim takeover!!

  • ValueSet

    Strlik, Your “salad t—er”statement was revolting,… Take the high road : Voice your ideas with logic and facts. Your post sounds like something from an angry 12 year old…okay…well then..”I’m rubber, you’re glue. Everything that you say bounces off me, and sticks back to you.”

  • ValueSet

    strlik, See how silly that “glue/rubber” statement sounds ? I don’t want to bicker. Please express your ideas without the mean-spiritedness. Have a cup of tea, breathe, and try to relax.

  • Anonymous

    No. That was Boeing. I’m from Washington and so hear almost daily about the audacity of our governor, Christine Gregoire, who, instead of working with Boeing to figure out a way that they could stay without the unions shutting the plant down. Instead, she ordered them to stay and threatened fines and court action if they didn’t comply. When they told her to go jump in a lake, she registered a complaint with the Obama Labor Department, who ruled that Boeing was not allowed to exist in a right-to-work state like South Carolina and also ordered Boeing back to Washington. Of course, the case ended up before the Supreme Court, even though both the Labor Department and the unions wanted to back out. No dice. The court ruled against Washington and the Labor Department.

  • Guest

    Well, if we look only as far back as Slick Willie we can see that perjury and obstruction of justice were enough. But, those aren’t really the requirements for impeachment, are they? They are accusations in Slick Willie’s case. The requirement is to get the HoR to vote on and pass the articles of impeachment, isn’t it?

    Furthermore, to actually get the President impeached, the Senate must here the case and with at least two-thirds of the senators present, find him guilty as charged with a majority vote, right?

    And, as is based historically, what constitutes a good reason for impeachment is what ever the HoR decides it is at the time since “high crimes and misdemeanors” aren’t very well defined in the constitution, are they?

    So, just what exactly is it that you think “impeachment requirements” are?

    It would seem that you’ll need to be a little more precise in order to justify what the “impeachment requirements” are in order to show just exactly what you think you are arguing for…

    But, let me posit a guess. I believe you’ll say something like “the political reality of the situation makes it impossible to impeach PBO”. Well, if that’s what you meant, I would agree with you. At this point, the HoR knows that that kind of action would be a mucky and bogged down process because of the nature of the political topography today that would probably be so politically unpopular because of the bigger problems we have to deal with than this monumental screw up currently sitting as President, don’t they?

    But, to say that someone doesn’t know what the “impeachment requirements” are is a bit trite, don’t you think? In fact, offering a comment such as yours without citing something to show that the requirements are “X” which have not been clearly understood by your debate opponent really only shows that you don’t really know what they are either, wouldn’t you say?

  • Anonymous

    Sorry if referring to sothere was offending.
    When it comes to sothere, nothing about that piece of shit is revolting!

  • Anonymous

    You are sounding more and more like the sothere (salad tosser to his clients).
    -”Phony Soldier”. I have no clue what that is referring to or what it means.
    -”libel”? Are you kidding me? Bring that bullshit on!
    Little children? That is disgusting!!!
    -”Save America from idiots like strlk” Holy shit. Guest is obviously the salad tosser or his whore wife.
    Nice try.
    This is the last reply to you, ya racist fuck!!!

  • Guest

    Your very own assessment is offensive…

  • Anonymous

    Actually, strtlk, YOU don’t know what the constitutional impeachment requirements are. Bill Clinton is the only sitting president in modern history to be impeached for obstruction of justice and lying regarding his testimony with regard to his relationship with Monica Lewinski. The process is actually very simple and has deliberate checks and balances governed by the legislative branch. Were articles of impeachment to be drawn up for Obama, the counts would be nearly too numerous to list, but here’s a sampler for you.

    1. Using executive mandate to do an end run on Congress to implement Obamacare by using a little known House rule that allowed a vote on legislation that had not been seen in its entirety by “promising” a legislative review later
    2. For declaring that article II, section 3 of the constitution which requires that the president “…take care that the laws be faithfully executed” means that he doesn’t have to enforce any laws that he disagrees with. He then ordered the Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), ceding a trump to the gay rights movement without a fight. By failing to show up in court, the executive branch automatically cedes a win to the plaintiff.
    3. The president gave an executive order to the Justice Department at the beginning of his presidency directing that no black defendants would be prosecuted under his watch, thus illegally violating the civil rights of those harmed by this decision for nothing more than the color of a defendant’s skin rather than the merits of the charges against him/her.
    4. Extending executive privilege to Eric Holder for incriminating documents subpoenaed by the investigative committee. By doing so, the president illegally purports that the Justice Department is afforded the same privilege as the president.
    5. Over 1200 unelected “czars” that in fact have more power than the Senate approved cabinet members and answer only to Obama.
    6. Allowing a terrorist conspirator (Siraj Wahhaj) into the white house to sit at the president’s table as the honored guest at the white house Ramadan celebration. Wahhaj was involved in the 1993 WTC bombing, and has sent millions of dollars to the terrorist organization Hamas from this country via the Muslim Brotherhood’s financial network.
    7. After receiving the Supreme Court decision on Arizona’s law allowing NCIC checks, Obama, by executive fiat, suspended the 287(g) agreement between the federal government and Arizona, thus denying even the simplest NCIC information to law enforcement in Arizona. This act has emboldened the cartels, directly resulting in the death and wounding of three INS agents in the Arizona desert, a drug superhighway. This act effectively proved, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Obama places his own ego well above the safety of the citizens of the state of Arizona.

    I could go on for pages, but every one of the listed actions more than qualifies Obama for impeachment in the House.

    Maybe you’d like to take a crack at proving me wrong. After all, you have quite an ability to swear and hurl epithets without the slightest hint of actual, factual knowledge of the issues that you are arguing. You are the epitome of liberalism-because you aren’t industrious enough to actually dig up an argument based in fact, you just swear at your opponent, thus proving beyond the shadow of a doubt you are incapable of debate without the crutch of your foul mouth. You are truly a credit to liberalism…after all, being liberal is SO much easier than actually thinking.

  • Anonymous

    Not bad.
    99.8% of your “facts” were propaganda bull shit, but at least you thought it out before you repeated the lies of Obama haters. I commend you for that.

  • ValueSet

    Master your own Anger, or your Anger will Master you. The constant use of profanity stifles ones intellectual development.

    On a more practical note: the constant use of profanity will not expand one’s career opportunities, but severely restrict, inhibit, and impair finding a well-paying professional position. Profanity becomes a noxious habit, rendering the user unable to communicate effectively. This becomes extremely detrimental in an evermore competitive job market.

  • SoThere

    Where are your “facts” strtlk. You spew your hatred here every day and never back up any of your garbage with anything resembling a fact.

    You’re a sick little man filled with leftist hatred and stupidity.

  • SoThere

    Folks, this is strtlk, a liberal Progressive who lied about his Military Service and I have it in his own words.

    Again with his sick fixation on little children.

    See how he respects women folks!

    And the coup de gras, call everyone who disagrees with him a racist!

    strtlks a typical leftist spammer and this post proves it.

  • SoThere

    I post facts little man, you post vulgar nonsense and hate. You’re a liar and a moron who has a sickness and strange fixation on little children and Glenn Beck. Get some help, you really need it.

  • Anonymous

    strtlk, again you impress me with your liberalism and liberal use of profanity. Once again, you have no facts, no proof, a foul mouth, an IQ below 40 indicating a brain capable of only informing you when you are hungry and sexually aroused. In calculating your approximate worth in the grand scheme of life, I’ve come to the conclusion that you have surpassed the previous mark of a liberal who used to post here. He was only a waste of skin. YOU are a waste of good carbon. But hey, if you’re going to be good at something, be exceptional. I have to admit, you are. I never thought I’d see someone who could achieve a net worth of LESS than their dessicated body weight in carbon. Congratulations, tonto!

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but I refuse to let a hypocritical rock throwing conservative tell me what is and is not profanity. Your glass house must be lovely.

  • Anonymous

    It must have been difficult for you to type such bullshit with sldtsr’s (or “Guests’”) cock in your mouth.
    Impressive!
    I also liked the pitiful and racist attempt at humor with your last “tonto” slander.
    Don’t fret though, sldtsr (guest) and his wife love a good racist!!!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for proving my point. No facts, no higher brain function, no civility, no restraint, incapable of coherent argument, overcompensating with profanity laced with sexual fantasy. Oh, by the way, Tonto (that time it WAS in reference to the Lone Ranger), “tonto” in Spanish means “fool”. But nicely played with the racism accusation. So far, you’ve checked every box under the category “Liberal Moron”. Are you sure that you’re actually talking? I have a feeling that what you would call speaking is simply a result of oral flatulence. They actually can prescribe medication for that now, did you know that? My recommendation would be a combination of fenfluramine and thorazine.

  • ValueSet

    I was not trying to “throw rocks” at you. I was truly trying to give you a “head’s-up”, when it comes to finding and securing a well-paying job. Good luck in college when it comes to writing papers, and participating in the free exchange of ideas.

  • SoThere

    Folks, this is the face of a Liberal Progressive spewing his vulgar hate and disdain for anyone who would no spout the party line.

    Please take note of his hypocritical attack on women.

  • SoThere

    Folks, this is the face of a Liberal Progressive spewing his vulgar hate and disdain for anyone who will not spout the party line.

    He’s a tick on the a$$ of humanity.

  • SoThere

    Go easy on strtlk, he cleans toilets for a living and thinks the round things in the urinals are mints and the blue water is KoolAid.

    He’s the face of the Liberal Progressive Obama cultists.

  • VindicatorX

    All of your comments are lies or you are lying about not lying. You have no credibility here, and I suspect that is true everywhere else your slime trail goes.

  • VindicatorX

    I agree, this administration is comprised of the most transparent liars in history.

  • VindicatorX

    Insults, lies, profanity; all the hallmarks of your usual line of propagandist left wing manure – it’s all here.

    Your stupidity is only exceeded by your lack of judgement and fact.

  • VindicatorX

    Stupidity like yours is only equalled by your proclivity to lie and still not have any real point – except for the one that keeps you cap from sliding off your pinhead. You only come here to make noise, and you never have proven anything you have lied about. Never.

    You have proven to be a stubbornly stupid liar – congratulations on that stellar achievement. You certainly own that distinction.

  • VindicatorX

    Did your momma allow any of her children to survive birth?

  • VindicatorX

    The only offensive poster here is YOU. You have no standing here, no credibility, and no real contribution to make. You are an idiot with internet access, nothing more.

  • Guest

    Just what exactly are you trying to argue for?

  • Guest

    Hmm, one could find a working, legal definition of profanity that is bi-partisan and see how it applies to the tripe you post.

  • Anonymous

    Cute.
    And fake Americans like you think I “go to far” or that I am “repulsive”?
    Why don’t you go back to stroking sldtsr’s ego or pleasuring his wore wife.
    P.S. Nice, Manly icon! You couldn’t find anything else to compensate for your 1″ cock?

  • VindicatorX

    You want to go there, needle-prick?

  • VindicatorX

    You are the phony soldier here. You do go too far and are repulsive because your mouth is constantly writing checks your behind can’t cash.

  • VindicatorX

    Nice cowardly default icon – just like you, no image and no courage to stand behind your convictions. You are a disgusting low life.

  • VindicatorX

    “”Phony Soldier”. I have no clue what that is referring to or what it means.”
    LIAR!

    You lied about being a veteran. You have done it many times. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A PHONY SOLDIER.

    Racist? There was nothing racist about his comment. That is the most over-used accusation of the left. It has become meaningless, except it labels the accuser as a lame brained left wing idiot.

  • VindicatorX

    He has never been able to make any kind of meaningful contribution, all he is capable of is lies, profanity, and calling people racists. He’s a garden variety troll.

  • VindicatorX

    Keep on being a loser. We know it’s all you are capable of.

  • SoThere

    Folks, this is the vulgar face of the Liberal Progressives in this country.

    Note his hatred for women,

    All he has is his leftist rhetoric and vulgarity.

    Hey strtlk, stop drinking out of the toilets and those round things in the urinals aren’t mints!

  • SoThere

    Please see a professional about your fixation on little children strtlk/mtclayboy.
    You’ve been caught in your lies and have no credibility here. You’re a Wikipedia sailor and a lying puke.
    1. As mtclayboy you claimed that you served on a BOOMER. As strtlk you claimed not to know what a Boomer or a SSBN was “I don’t care” were your exact words. You also stated that you didn’t know where Bangor, Wa. was which is where Boomers (submarines) are fitted for duty.
    Any real Submariner would know that. You didn’t!
    2. You then changed your story and claimed that you were on a BOOMER. You lied.
    3. As mtclayboy you claimed that you had damaged your ears while serving on a Submarine. As strtlk, you claimed that you damaged your ears while serving on a submarine.
    4. As mtclayboy you claimed that you joined the Navy and served for five years on a submarine but according to the timeline you gave that was proven to be a lie. You lied.
    5. As mtclayboy you said that you were a Fireman. As strtlk, you claimed you were a Fireman.
    6. As mtclayboy and as strtlk, you posted the same bigotry and hate against Glenn Beck almost word for word even using the same spelling and grammatical errors and focusing on the children. I’ve posted many of them here already.

  • Anonymous

    A couple of years ago, I was laid off from work. This lady I know told me about a job fair where i could apply for local jobs that were funded by the stimulus package. They were local jobs, thirty in all for our county. These were temporary jobs only lasting for three months. In essense, the government paid a worker to work at no cost to the employee for three months. I guess they would get a chance to work and maybe get further employment. Anyway the local businesses like the hardware store had a free employee for three months. Then the job was gone. I had a thought what if Obama had this same coordinated program all over the country right before the election? What affect would that have on the unemployment numbers? What would be real numbers, but they would not be actual real jobs, just temporary. I am wondering when part time or temporary jobs can be shown.

  • Anonymous

    Good call. I’m still laughing! You seem to know a lot about him that hits the mark!

  • SoThere

    I know quite a bit about him. Yes, I’m right on the mark.

    He made a big mistake the day he threatened me and started smearing my wife and children. I had my people check the idiot out. He thinks he’s anonymous here but not to me. I visit his area a couple times a year in my travels.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like we need to just ignore this guy. He gives off a strong vibe of a schizophrenic off meds. I was very interested that he has threatened Glenn. Hopefully, that is something that Glenn will take very seriously. After you enlightened us on who he really is, it becomes clear that the best thing any of us can do is to not reply to him so the attention goes away. He’ll end up going elsewhere because he’s not in this because he sincerely feels this way, he’s here because of a sociopathic need for attention…even negative attention. It’s almost Freudian/Jungian psychosexual pathology, most likely resulting poor potty training.

  • SoThere

    This idiot’s not going anywhere. He’s sick.

  • MarsBarsTru7

    The corruption in the Democratic Party is so thorough, so pervasive, that it essentially functions as a politically-based crime syndicate.

    Do you remember back in 2008, before the crash, how they were showing tent cities popping up around the country, and then right after the crash they increased like crazy. It’s funny how all that disappeared from the national news right after Obama took office. Well, local news channels have shown them from time to time. They’re still out there. And now you have OWS on top of it.

    But all this is ignoring the biggest and most obvious crimes. The AIG bailout – more than 80% of House Democrats were invested in AIG and Nancy Pelosi’s husband worked for them and had nearly 60% of their wealth invested in AIG. Nancy Pelosi securing the lion’s share of waivers for businesses in her voting district to allow them to avoid having to adhere to Obamacare. Barney Frank’s handling of Fannie and Freddie. Rangel’s numbers fudging. The investment in Brazil’s state-controlled oil company that George Soros made a huge chunk of money off of. Dodd’s involvement in the real estate crisis, including procuring favoritism for political and business friends. One-word example: Solyndra. Al Gore, Obama, and multiple Democrats (handful of Repubs) making tons of money off the subsidized “energy industry”. The government takeover of GM and Chrysler (to a lesser degree). GM getting regular tax and regulatory breaks, and continued subsidies in their business above and beyond the bailout. GE getting bailout money and a virtual 0% tax rate after using NBC to openly campaign for Obama. Obama taking such direct control over GM that he directly manipulated who is in charge of the company. Three word example: Fast and Furious…

    I’m really am just thinking of these things off the top of my head. I could keep going and going and going. I’m getting depressed just thinking about it though. Time to look for the positives in the day. Like: Hey, did you know that the CDC says that the extra high gas prices are good for reducing the likelihood of the spread of a dangerous outbreak and that it has reduced the number of teen deaths related to drinking and driving? And they really mean it. It has nothing to do with increased pay, budgets, and appointments by Obama. There’s no bias there. That’s real science for you. So, taking that into consideration there’s only one thing left to say – Yay high gas prices! ($4.59/g just down the street)

  • Anonymous

    It really is ridiculous, isn’t it. Sometimes, it is such a headache being conservative. It requires thought, study and factual understanding. All you need to be a liberal is a big mouth and a vacuous head and you can say anything, attack anyone, take, take, take and there is literally no chance that you will be called hypocritical, because when the end justifies the means, there IS NO hypocrisy. It simply is not possible because they’re on the right side spouting the right ideology. Isn’t it hilarious, though, to see someone like Al Gore criticize anyone for hypocrisy? This is a guy who spouts his know-nothing pseudoscience that’s chock FULL of lies, exaggerations, and science performed more by vote than by fact. Where was that when I was getting a PhD in molecular biology?! Yet, nobody on the left criticizes Al Gore for living in a home that is nearly 30,000 square feet, he has a large private jet, he has made billions off his carbon offset company and uses it to launder his income. Yet, he feels perfectly natural lecturing the world to “use less” and conserve energy, and if that’s not feasible, then pay a carbon offset company for carbon credits…so what that he owns a company whose only product is….nothing. He is making vast sums of money for nothing. But he is an expert on energy and conservation…or at least on how NOT to conserve. But because he is a liberal, not a soul on the left calls him a hypocrite. That is why I have nothing but scorn for liberals. They are mindless automatons who value ideology over factual results from the real world application of that ideology. Literally, even if a program (like education spending) has the exact opposite effect, they never abandon it and try something else. They actually look perplexed when you show the facts to them because they don’t care. It’s not the results that matter, only that you are on the correct side. Moron is what they call them where I come from!

  • MarsBarsTru7

    Aaaah, but you fail to see what the people at the top consider success.

    You say that “they” support the ideology regardless of the results. You’re not incorrect, when “they” refers to the useful idiots making up the masses of liberal votes. They’re sold this mind-numbing concept of equality that taken to its logical conclusion would have the whole of humanity behaving like a gigantic ant colony. They’re the bottom tier of what makes up “the left”.

    The next step up are the political organizers that are the fanatics, that are educated (indoctrinated) and understand the theories behind their ideologies conceptually and truly believe they’ll work. They believe it with a religious fervor, ironically enough, all the while typically deriding religion for contradicting what they see as inevitable.

    Then there are the political movers and shakers, the Secular Progressives (the SPs), who believe in the greatness of mankind, with a vague notion of but strict adherence to secular humanism as the goal. They want to create a utopia and they’re willing to do or say anything to make it happen, firmly believing that collectivism is THE answer. They’ll tell the fanatics organizers and the zombie useful idiot masses anything that is effective in getting them to follow policy and to keep them from breaking free from the illusion of control. But, even at this level, these people still answer to a higher power.

    Tell me, do Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Bloomberg, the Rockefellers… Do any of these people suffer one whit from tanking everything for everyone else? Do you know what they all have in common besides copious amounts of wealth? All of them, every single one of them, is on record supporting population control, either through the funding of “charities” that just happen to fund sterilization research, disease vaccination research that continually uses third world populations as unwitting guinea pigs, sexual “education” that vilifies reproduction, and free birth control. The insidious nature of the influence of elite wealth, especially the “old money” wealth in the world, to get the rest of the world to do its bidding is staggering.

    If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, look at the nature of these people, look at their lineage, look at their charities, and then see the picture for what it is.

    Tip of the iceberg: Gates – The family has been wealthy for generations and has been strong supporters of eugenics for generations. Buffett – His previous wife (deceased) was well known to be a eugenics proponent and Buffett originally started his “charity” work at the behest of his wife. Buffett has personally spent billions over the course of his lifetime on population control agendas through his “charity” work. In the late ’90s there were a few occasions when it was reported in magazines such a Forbes, that Buffett had made comments advocating investment in population control that both startled and made other investor and various associates uncomfortable. So much so that Buffett had to drop his charity work for a few years as “proof” that he misspoke and to regain their confidence. Gore – Al Gore’s father was a segregationist and advocated massive nuclear bombing campaigns against the N. Korean/Chinese armies the U.S. faced in the Korean War. He was also friends/associates with Armand Hammer who was a socialist with Soviet ties. Al Gore Jr. is the most outspoken proponent of widespread “carbon controls” in America. He is the face for the carbon-rationing movement. Al Sr. and Al Jr. have both made statements about the importance of “population management”. Both saw government as the vehicle to achieving these ends. Rockefeller – “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.” Just one statement among many.

    The blatant truth staring us all in the face that no one seems to want to talk about is that the majority of the wealthy elite are convinced that the world is overpopulated and they’re determined to put things into motion to both reduce and maintain a low human population on Earth. Their contributions to politics reflect this.

    So, does it seem that typical liberals fail and adhere to their ideologies despite the facts of failure staring them in the face? Yes. But they’re not the ones running things. The ones running things could care less about failures that lead to the deaths or hardship of the masses. And I’ve listened to enough speeches by Gates, Buffett, and Soros in my lifetime, between college and personal research to know that they do think of us as “the masses”. They are not interested in “humanism” in any way we’d recognized. They’re interested in human management, including population control.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent points, all. You very correctly point out the different levels and reasoning behind the levels of liberalism. I think that there is a much higher level of ignorance at the national level than what people realize. I watched so many interviews with people at the Democratic National Convention who didn’t have the slightest fragment of a clue about any of the issues and they are DELEGATES forming the planks of the Demcrat party platform. I did the same thing with the Republican National Convention and I couldn’t find a single interview that was comparable. I am independent, but I couldn’t help but notice the difference. It is vast, and, frankly, scary. The general consensus among Democrats seems to be that they blindly support anything that Obama wants and especially those things that result in theft from one group to give to another.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent points, all. You very correctly point out the different levels and reasoning behind the levels of liberalism. I think that there is a much higher level of ignorance at the national level than what people realize. I watched so many interviews with people at the Democratic National Convention who didn’t have the slightest fragment of a clue about any of the issues and they are DELEGATES forming the planks of the Demcrat party platform. I did the same thing with the Republican National Convention and I couldn’t find a single interview that was comparable. I am independent, but I couldn’t help but notice the difference. It is vast, and, frankly, scary. The general consensus among Democrats seems to be that they blindly support anything that Obama wants and especially those things that result in theft from one group to give to another.