Glenn interviews Bishop E.W. Jackson

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Fans of TheBlaze will remember the video of Bishop E.W. Jackson calling for African Americans to end their slavish devotion to the the Democratic Party. Glenn interviewed Bishop Jackson on this morning’s radio show.

Read the transcript of their interview below:

GLENN: Pat and I found a video that most people have not seen of a guy, a pastor in Virginia that is one of the biggest truth‑tellers I’ve ever seen, one of the bravest guys I’ve ever seen. I mean, and we were trying to put it in the machine and it’s like, I don’t know, ten minutes or something

PAT: It’s pretty long, yeah, four or five at least.

GLENN: We tried to put it in the machine and we were just trying to put sound bites in it and we couldn’t stop it because we were like, no, you can’t stop it there. I mean, I hate to start playing it because it’s so impossible to stop because you’re like, oh, my gosh, somebody’s actually saying that.

PAT: That’s another great point.

GLENN: That’s another great point, I can’t believe this guy’s saying it. Here’s just a little bit of it.

VOICE: My name is bishop E. W. Jackson, chairman of Ministers Taking a Stand with a message to Christians in the black community. It is time to end the slavish devotion to the Democrat Party. They have insulted us, used us, and manipulated us. They have saturated the black community with ridiculous lies. Unless we support the Democrat Party, we will be returned to slavery. We will be robbed of voting rights. The Martin Luther King holiday will be repealed. They think we are stupid and that these lies will hold us captive, while they violate everything we believe as Christians. The Democrat Party has created an unholy alliance between certain so‑called civil rights leaders and Planned Parenthood, which has killed unborn black babies by the tens of millions. Planned Parenthood has been far more lethal to black lives than the KKK ever was.

PAT: Wow.

VOICE: And the Democrat Party and their black civil rights ‑‑


GLENN: It’s hard to stop because it just keeps going and going and going and he just takes them all apart. Bishop E. W. Jackson is with us now on the phone from Virginia. His website is Bishop, how are you, sir?

BISHOP JACKSON: I’m doing great, Glenn. And first of all, let me just say thank you for having me on and let me say that my wife and I and most of our friends are very big fans of yours and we want to express our gratitude for all that you have done to help wake this country up. God bless you for it. And also I want to bring you greetings from a mutual friend of yours, Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

BISHOP JACKSON: I told him I was going ton to be on. So he told me, well, don’t mess up.

GLENN: He’s a good man. Have we met before?

BISHOP JACKSON: No, we have not. I wanted to come to your ministers convention in D.C.


BISHOP JACKSON: And my schedule didn’t permit it. So we have not had a chance to meet, no.

GLENN: Well, you are ‑‑ you must be despised by a great many some in the underworld.

BISHOP JACKSON: I’ve got a few detractors, yes.

GLENN: I bet you do.

PAT: You can’t say the things you say and not just be vilified. I mean, because with, what is it right now? 94% of the African‑American populus being in favor of voting for this guy again, they’ve got to just tear you apart every time you say this kind of stuff.

GLENN: And it’s not even about Barack Obama. It is about the progressive policies.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: That have destroyed ‑‑ I mean, I can’t believe Planned Parenthood ‑‑ bishop, how is Planned Parenthood not known in the African‑American community for exactly what it is and what it was, a death sentence to the black community. That’s what it was designed to be.

PAT: Yeah, founded for that.

BISHOP JACKSON: And Glenn, that’s why I intentionally did not mention Barack Obama explicitly in that tape because I was trying to help people to see ideas and get away from the personality and just look at what the principles are that they are following and how much they are in discordance with what people in the church community at least claim to believe. And frankly I mean, yeah, I just got finished reading an e‑mail just before coming on the program, one of those nasty e‑mails that you get calling me an Uncle Tom, saying that I’m an antigay hero, you know, this and that. But, you know, I’m getting a tremendously positive response from many in the black community and I think this may be the beginning of a fissure and the end of that slavish devotion as I referred to it to the Democrat Party.

GLENN: I tell you, I just read Booker T. Washington’s book, Up From Slavery just recently in the last year. And between him and Frederick Douglass, every American but especially every black American should read Booker T. Washington and Frederick Douglass. These guys were amazing and they talked about this, as you called it, slavish devotion to a party or to the government and said exactly what would happen and it has all happened. And that’s why I think so many real black heroes have been erased from history.

BISHOP JACKSON: And, you know, Glenn, that’s one of the reasons why I will not be silent because I believe in humanity. I believe in people. I believe in members of the black community that they are full of potential and beauty and God‑given gifts. And what I see is a party and a progressive movement that is robbing them of their vision and robbing them of their dreams and their vision and I want to awaken them to the sense that, there’s more for you than that. God has something more for you than that. Don’t accept this dependence and this sort of sycophancy that says we’ll give you a few crumbs, all you’ve got to do is ignore your bidding and ignore those principles you believe in because after all, if you don’t those boogie men are out there and they are going to get you.

GLENN: That’s what I want to ask you about because African‑Americans, if it wasn’t for the African‑American and the Hispanic in California, Prop 8 would ‑‑ I mean would have ‑‑ would have gay marriage. You’d have gay marriage in California. And because people actually came out and said, “No, I don’t believe in that, and they were the minorities, it failed. Now, tell me how do you get people to ‑‑ who are religious, who are decent people just completely to divorce themselves of those principles in the voting booth? Because it’s like Harry Reid: I’m a Mormon; he’s a Mormon. I don’t understand, and I’m sure he doesn’t understand me, but I don’t understand how he can be for the things that he is and do some of the things that he does and still say that he’s, you know, in good standing with the scriptures because it doesn’t work.

BISHOP JACKSON: Well, you know, Glenn, there’s a saying that I’ve heard among ministers: Some are called and some were sent and some just got up and went. And I think some of the people who claim to be Mormon or claim to be this or claim to be that, that’s all they’re doing. They’re just claiming. It’s a hit thing. It’s something they inherited but they don’t believe it or feel it in their hearts. But with the black community particularly, there are two things I think that have led to this. One is fear. They’ve been manipulated by fear. You know, the fear that they are going to get you, they’re out there, they’re out there to get. I mean, Glenn, you know, I have watched your program. I’ve had people say to me, “Well, somebody ‑‑ they told me that Glenn Beck is a racist.” And then I started watching his program. I said, I want to see this guy, I want to see is he ‑‑ and then they started, “Well, you know, I didn’t hear him say anything racist.” And then I watched a little bit more and they said, “Well, wait a minute, where is that coming from?” It’s a lie intended to manipulate people. And then the second thing is bad leadership. When you’ve got the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, some of these civil rights leaders who are interested in promoting racial division and hostility and a sense of victimization in order to further their own careers, then you get people listening to the wrong kind of leadership, and to me bad leadership produces bad results.

GLENN: Do you feel ‑‑ first of all, I may ‑‑ I have firm reliance on the protection of divine providence. I don’t believe that God is neutral in the affairs of man or the freedom of man, and if America falls, the whole world falls. I mean, there’s nobody to stand for freedom.


GLENN: And it will be for gen ‑‑ it will be generational darkness. And I have had an overwhelming sense that His will will be done and that there are enough people that are standing up that are good, that are ‑‑ actually I shouldn’t say standing up. Are humbling themselves to not have God on their side, which he doesn’t do, but to be ‑‑ for us to move to be on his side. And I think there’s ‑‑ I think we’re on the threshold of miracles and profound change. Do you feel that way?

BISHOP JACKSON: Glenn, to me that is the genius of America. It is not just our Constitution or Declaration. It’s the sense that we are not a mere historical happenstance but we are a providential nation, that the favor of God has been on us.

GLENN: If we’re humble. If we’re humble.

BISHOP JACKSON: That’s right. That’s right. And, of course, there are people who want to end that. They want to do ‑‑ you know, we saw it in the Democrat Party’s convention, you know, get God out of the platform. Who needs God. And you’re right, I do sense an awakening happening in America. It’s slow, but I speak in black churches and white churches and in black churches particularly where people might not expect it, I get an overwhelmingly positive response. I’ve had people come up to me and say, you know, you woke me up. And here again, I think it’s God moving. I don’t think it’s attributable to me as a person but rather to God moving on people’s hearts and saying, okay, there are enough of you standing up; I’m going to move in your behalf and I agree with you, Glenn. I think God is going to do some marvelous things to help bring this nation back to Him.

GLENN: So how do we heal the division? Because I think we’re at the beginning of real problems. The president just said it on Univision a couple of weeks ago. He said I realize you can’t change Washington from the inside. You have to change it from the outside. And they are only good, really these guys are only really good at stirring up trouble and being the dissent. They are not good at governing. They are good at tearing things apart and causing division. How do we as people bring people together and when you’ve got the media and everybody else saying what they say about us and Mitt Romney and you and everybody else, how do we break that and bring people together?

BISHOP JACKSON: Well, obviously a lot of prayer. And I know you’re a man who believes in prayer. And secondly I would say to people, when I speak to groups and they say, well, how do I bridge that gap? I know black people ‑‑ I’m white, I know black people but I’m afraid to approach them. And I said, you know, it needs to be on a very personal level and say, look, you know me. We’ve known ‑‑ do you think I’m against you? Do you think I want to hurt you? Do you think I’m out to get you? Can you at least concede that I have ideals and principles that matter to me, that have nothing to do with race? I love you. I care about you. I’m interested in you. And I think my view is that the people whose hearts are open to truth will respond.

Now, there are some people, as I’m sure you know, I don’t care what you do. You’re never going to reach them.

GLENN: Never going to reach them.

BISHOP JACKSON: They are hardened in their views. But I find a lot of Americans’ hearts are very open.

GLENN: What is going to happen in Virginia?

BISHOP JACKSON: That’s a good question. I believe that Mitt Romney is going to win and I’m working very hard to see to it that that happens and I believe that George Allen who is running against Tim Kaine, of course Tim Kaine is an Obama clone, an Obama, he was actually recruited by Obama to run. I believe that George Allen will prevail over him, although Mitt Romney is doing better right now than George Allen is, but I trust that we will end up having Mitt Romney win in Virginia and having George Allen win in Virginia. So that’s my take.

GLENN: Do you think that people need a leader to be able to ‑‑ you know, for instance, the Tea Party doesn’t have a leader and it just became this spontaneous movement. Do you think people need a leader in the black community to see? I mean, because they must know that things have gotten much worse for the African‑American in the last four years, and I just read a study that shows that African‑Americans feel as though it is harder for them to speak out now and be who they want to be than when it was ‑‑ than what it was before the president got into office. And I think when it comes to race, I think we all feel that way. He was supposed to heal us. He did the opposite. I am much less likely to feel comfortable speaking to an African‑American or an African‑American group because of all the things that have been said that people like me believe, et cetera, et cetera. And I think there are a lot of African‑Americans that will say I ‑‑ especially if they’re conservative, “I don’t feel comfortable speaking out and saying anything because my own community will attack me he or the system will attack me.” At what point does that just break down? Because in the white community I think people are just like, “Oh, I’m a racist? Really? Move on. Heard it before. It’s not who I am.” At what point does that break?

BISHOP JACKSON: Yeah, I had the same hope, Glenn, but how can a good ‑‑ how can a bad tree bear good fruit? And I realize that was probably a quixotic hope. But with regard to leadership, no, I don’t think that the black community needs a leader, but I do think there is always a need for leadership. I mean, you know, you provide leadership. Because for me leadership is influence. It is simply trying to open people up to the truth and trying to help them see. If not trying to control them or make decisions for them but trying to expose them to the truth and trying to be a positive influencer. And I think that those, that kind of leadership is always needed. It’s there, but I think people have been cowed into not speaking up. And I’m hoping that one of the influences that my video and other things that we’re doing has is to cause people to say, “You know what? I’m going to stand up. I’m going to speak up. I agree with Bishop Jackson. I’m not going to be silent about this and I’ll let God take care of me.”

GLENN: Well, bishop, I hope we get a chance to meet soon. I am ‑‑ from what I know of you, I’m very impressed. I know you have a new book coming out soon. Right? You have a new one coming?

BISHOP JACKSON: Yes, I do. Called America The Beautiful: Reflections of a Patriot Descended from Slaves, yes.

GLENN: Are you from slave family?

BISHOP JACKSON: As a matter of fact, yes, my great‑grandparents Gabriel and Eliza Jackson were slaves and then share croppers in Orange County, Virginia. I date my lineage back at least as far as year before George Washington was born. We believe it goes back before that.


BISHOP JACKSON: By the way, George Washington is my favorite president, just wanted you to know. I read the book you recommended. That was the second biography I read about him. I love George Washington. But at any rate, yes, yes, my ‑‑ I am a direct descendant. My grandfather was not born in slavery but his parents were and they moved out of Virginia. My grandfather did and ultimately migrated to Pennsylvania where I was born. But yes. And look, and I tell people, you know, I’m proud of that because only in America do we have a country built on the truth that God gave us all humanity the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. So the seed of the destruction of slavery unlike any place else on the Earth was built into our founding framework.

GLENN: You, sir, are a ‑‑ you, sir, are a bright spot, I can guarantee you, on the other side of the veil. Your slave ancestors are saying free at last, free at last. You are a remarkable story and a ‑‑ one of the freest men I know. God bless you. Thank you very much.

BISHOP JACKSON: God bless you, Glenn. Thank you.

GLENN: We’ll talk to you. His website is Bishop Jackson.

  • snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    America is undergoing a fundamental revival across all aspects social, economic, cultural and faith in the land. We are seeing the old paradigms of the last three or four generations now resetting and may God guide us and grace us with His blessings to restore the nation, for each of us have a portion to play in this journey.

    Bishop, God bless you and your efforts, and may we all soon be free of the chains shackled on us by a out of control government and the bankrupt ideology of Marxist extremists.

  • snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Booker T. Washington and Frederick Douglas – I need to find the books they wrote and study them in more depth. I have to admit to not knowing more of their works as I should have by now.

  • Sharmane

    Bless Bishop Jackson for having the strength of character and the true belief in Christian principles to stand up and tell the truth.  PP is a racist organization, founded by the nazi sympathizer and eugenics proponent Margaret Sanger.  She advocated eliminating what she termed “human weeds” and targeted in particular people of color and others she deemed unfit to live.  She forged an alliance with black “ministers” to target black women for abortions, and urged them to soft pedal it and convince them it was something noble.  Nothing has changed about this evil, unholy organization.  Thank you Glenn for having him on your show and for helping get the word out about the deceit that has taken place over the decades.  God Bless.

  • Sam Fisher

    Pray for Bishop Jackson safety. We all know groups like the black panthers and Farrakhan group will not want this guy to live. In fact racist on all sides will attack him for breaking out of the Dems slavery and taking voters away from the black racist movement’s slave masters. Thank God for people like Bishop Jackson who have the courage to stand for what he knows is right.

  • Stephan JackofClubz Bruno


    • Maebe

      OMG….Glenn is not afraid to talk to black people you moron!!!  it was a figure of speech!! Read it in context…

      • Stephan JackofClubz Bruno

        …I think we all feel that way. He was supposed to heal us. He did the opposite. I am much less likely to feel comfortable speaking to an African‑American or an African‑American group because of all the things that have been said that people like me believe, et cetera, et cetera.

        There it is Maebe. He is a jack ass.

    • greywolfrs

       The only joke is you.
      On another note, why did you take picture down of your fat ass?

      • Stephan JackofClubz Bruno

        my fat ass doesn’t change the fact that Glenn is a snake oil salesman.

        • greywolfrs

          Sounds like you speak from experience. You come on here spouting the left wing lies and are no better than what you proclaim Glenn to be. Dumb M F er.

          • Stephan JackofClubz Bruno

            Your late for your Klan meeting. 

          • greywolfrs

            Typical left wing bullshit, anyone who disagrees with you is a racist and late for their klan meeting. S T F U, coward.

        • Sandy Caruso

          If Glenn is a snake oil salesman, why do you spend so much time on this blog? Take your comments some place else.

    • Carol Morgan

       where in the world do you get that? he talks to black people all the time, and has them on his show!

    • Sandy Caruso

      Hey ‘POTTY MOUTH’….why don’t you take that filth some place else….like Joe Biden’s office.

  • Anonymous

    These are only snippets, out of order,  from a lecture by The Honorable Alice M. Batchelder.

    It’s a long read and you can read it here.

    One may find it interesting, *Sundays* written into the Constitution. 
    What is the significance of Sunday?

    Religion and Civil Government.

    The Constitution
    Article I, Section 7’s requirement that if a bill sent to the President is not signed within 10 days excluding Sundays,
    it becomes law without his signature. The exception of Sundays, Adams
    asserted, demonstrated the Framers’ recognition that the President would
    not employ himself in public business on a Sunday.[20])

    …Adams’s thesis; namely, that in founding this nation and adopting the
    Constitution, the American people had clearly intended to establish a
    link between, as Adams put it, “the Christian religion and their
    political institutions.” He carefully built the case for his belief that
    the Christian religion was “entitled to the sustaining aid of the civil
    constitutions and law of the country” and detailed the consequences
    that would follow should that aid not be part of our governmental
    structure, explaining:
    [T]he Constitution of the United States contemplates,
    and is fitted for such a state of society as Christianity alone can
    form. It contemplates a state of society, in which strict integrity,
    simplicity and purity of manners, wide diffusion of knowledge, well
    disciplined passions, and wise moderation, are the general
    characteristics of the people. These virtues, in our nation, are the
    offspring of Christianity, and without the continued general belief of
    its doctrines, and practice of its precepts, they will gradually decline and eventually perish.[21]

    • Sandy Caruso

      Thank you for bringing that important fact to our attention. You are much appreciated.

  • Anonymous

    God is still with us with the “discovery” of this fine gentleman, scholar and shepherd. As deep as the intellect of Keyes, Sowell, Cain, Thomas, Williams and so many other great Americans of African descent, you Bishop Jackson are a light on the horizon shining the light on the patronizing fools of the Democrat Party who have lied to ALL AMERICANS relentlessly for their own aggrandizement. May God continue to bless you as you deliver Truth to the citizens of this country.

  • greywolfrs

    The Bishop is a refreshing change from all the B S I hear coming out of black Americans. I am sick of hearing the likes of Al Sharpton, Charlie Rangle, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson or Snoop Dog. These people are forwarding the idea that the government “owes” the black community something or everything. These are the people who are keeping their own people down, so they prosper.

    This Bishop has the right idea, it’s good to see there is someone in the black community that is speaking out. I truly hope there are people listening to this guy.

    • SargintRock

      Amen to that!!!

      • Sofia L.Ramirez

        @BerettaM9:disqus Thank you Glenn for having him on your show and for helping get the word out about the deceit that has taken place over the decades. Bonnie explained I’m in shock that any body can earn $4222 in four weeks on the computer. have you read this web

  • suz

    i love the sound of this bishop’s voice and it would be a joy to sit in his church.

    we need a Constitutional Convention where leaders of all religions, such as bishop e.w. jackson attend, as well as those who can interpret the simple basics of our founding fathers’ vision which was established through our founding documents.

    the people need to relearn what the republic is and what makes us different from all other developed countries.

  • Anonymous

    Mahmoud are you out there anywhere?I miss reading your FineT comments.They always bring humor to the message board.

  • Poison_ Monkey

    Working medical needs in east, Africa I can tell you that it’s all about commodities
    – food meaning 1. Corn 2. Rice 3. Beans 4.Tea 5. Medical “drug remedies not preventions of any sorts. They ave flooded the Market (Billions spent byObama) with G2 Female Condoms but African females refuse to use plastic covers.
    They refuse to support use of DDT and or Nets for Malaria. Time o time they let X trial programs in but once relaxed…programs end. Tons of kids end up dead with no protections in pace. The whole game is Progressives run the Global Health Programs and population control is the highest priority. I mean control keeping it down.

    Now… Obama has introduced and spent billions via his czars on numerous un-noticed progressive programs whereby some were tested in Sharia areas first i.e. before America. i.e. the G2 Female Condoms. Suregreat for HIV AIDES prevention but intention is birth control. However, Sharia it’s also about the female not feeling sexual behaviors.

  • Nick King

    Now here is a real breath of fresh air to all lovers of freedom in this country.  Take 16 minutes and enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    This man is such a hero, to speak out the way he is  will bring much “persecution” . I’m praying for him, as well for those who are with him and understand that we need God in every part of our lives and especially in our political views. Thanks Glen, and bless you and the Bishop for telling it like it is!

  • Anonymous
  • Carol Payne

    I just happened over this video and at first I couldn’t believe what I was hearing I second guessed myself for a few minutes. I continued to listen and I actually jumped up and began to shout and praise the Lord for this Pastor and for his stand for righteousness and  truth. We have heard so many lies in the last few years that I have been so disgusted and so concerned for our nation and people. This has given me new hope. God bless this Pastor.

  • linlili

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