Mr. Beck, we can save our Constitution, we need to get 34 state governors to call for an Article V Constitutional Convention.. the goldwater institute has a study on this on their website

Glenn is right that it’s just stupid to sign a petition on the White House website – those people don’t forget.  It’s “safe” only for those who already have a high profile and are sure to be on any future “enemies list” that the WH creates.

However, it’s stupid for another reason.  The only time that secession was tried (the Civil War) the Southern states seceded in order to preserve their “right” to keep a black man in the bondage of chattel slavery – to treat him as property instead of as a human being.  With a black man now in the White House, this whole secession “movement” does two things:

1.  It confirms in the minds of those who weren’t sure about Republican/Conservative reasons for opposing Obama that it’s really all about race – that the Tea Party are nothing more than a bunch of KKK crackers in (different) funny costumes; and,

2.  It plays right into the hands of the liberal media – you remember the hay they made over the rare whack-job who, at Tea Party events, compared Obama to HItler and use the swastika – how much more hay will they make over equating the right-wing secession movement to racial hatred?

This is a really bad idea for a lot of reasons.

Ned Barnett
Editor, Conservative-usa.com and Conservative-nevada.com
Communications Director, Clark County (Las Vegas) Republican Party, 2009-2010
Communications Director, Nevada Republican Party, 2009-2010

Understand clearly – even before the American Civil War all efforts were attempted to prevent such a conflict from occurring, and even when the secessionists chose to split from the union, both sides were reluctant to be the first to engage and trigger an armed conflict.

These calls for secession from the union are only symbolic for the most part; yet they also give Obama the perfect excuse to crash down hard on any state he deems needing to be crushed for daring to stand against him or having wronged him in the past (in his eyes) such as TX or AZ (my home).

We have handed him an ‘enemies of the state’ list that will allow Homeland Security to round them up as ‘probable domestic terrorists.” As Obama grown more insane with each passing day, there may come a time he chooses to use force and shed innocent blood to retain onto power.

God I hope he is removed from office ahead of such an event.

If he chooses to shed American blood for power, then we do not have a civil war; we shall then have a revolution for our Independence which will end only in victory or death.

Just ensure that enough Republican governors are in office for such a convention to be held, otherwise with Obama we shall wind up with a communist constitution.

Not bright at this moment.  What would be your money.  Would seniors be willing to lose social security?  The time is when everything collapses economically and then there is nothing to lose.  Then start you secession movement.

This is the time where people who can, should amass gold and silver for the after-collapse phase.  Everyone needs to purchase guns and ammo.

Wow… Glenn Beck really is a gutless crybaby. Good thing he wasn’t around during the American Revolution.

What kind of moron would sign the Declaration of Independence and send it to king George? If you consider them to be morons, then I guess I’m in good company.

These petitions are symbolic.And the point of theof them them is to shed light on the corrupt government once they give their response to these petitions which they may label everyone who signs it a enemy.Its to wake people up, the one who sign are brave and have a purpose .

I am not one to allow my fears to stop me from doing what is needed.    Once in a while, the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered by the blood of Patriots.   If the Obama administration does use this list to retaliate on those who signed it, what does that tell you?   It tells me that it was the right thing to do.   If they bomb us with drones, would it have been better to just sit back and allow the government to become even more tyrannical so that our Children will have even a harder fight to deal with it….just so it can be easier for us?   This would not be right, at least not for me.   I will fight for freedom so that my children won’t have too.   I hope that we have enough power to fix our future without a war, but what kind of person, or should I say, coward, would we be if we let this go.   Clearly, things are already rigged so that we do not have a voice anymore.   After hearing the last rant Valerie Jared allegedly said, I find it to be dishonorable not to fight for our Country, Beliefs, and Children.   Truly, it is the Union who has succeeded  from Our County, from We the People.   The system no longer works the way it is supposed to and our Founding Fathers gave us the tools to fix it….we would be fools not to do so.

 Well, I guess Glenn was right. They were stupid to put their names on a list.  new petition to strip citizenship and exile secession signers.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-petition-calls-stripping-citizenship-and-exile-anyone-who-signs-petition-secede_663282.html

Let me put down my Ben Franklin.  Sometimes, you just have to stand up for what is right.  The vote rigging, the corruption and the wars are just plain wrong.  It’s time to stand up and say no more.  Come what may.  The future of the nation is at stake.

Umm…surely you don’t think it’s going to be a bed of roses for those who did NOT sign one.

Crybaby? Not so much.  Gutless? Sure sounds like it to me.  I am disappointed and shocked by his remarks.

Strip everyone signing of their citizenship.  Sheeesh, we’ve got millions of them already here who don’t have citizenship.  Maybe I’ll get free stuff. 

Obama already believes himself to be God. He see’s himself as doing no wrong and it is everyone else’s fault. He already has the blind following him. Do yo not see that our future’s are very bleak. We must stand up. Instead of Griping and cowering and letting the government control us. We the People need to be heard when our government is not doing good for the people.

Julie John, you are spot on.

stop being silly… since when just because we feel the election didn’t go as we wanted to and obarma was elected again…  are we going to retreat because of it? cowards!!! keep the fight, we will win the next time…

Just another list to help him fill up those FEMA camps we’ve already paid for.

Our founding fathers put their names on the Declaration of Independence and made it known so that others would follow and not cower in the shadows. If brave men and women do not stand up now they will be kneeling later. -Cecil Norwood #165 on the Texas succession petition. 

It’s already there. The economy is failing. Our national debt is essentially unrecoverable. Social Security for the folks 20-30 is pretty well gone. So tell me: what about economic collapse?

living under a dictator is not what i ha planne in my life,,you preach how horrible obama is then you condem those who take action,,i sorta figure your big mouth draws far more negative attention from the dictator than our wanting to withdraw and live in peace,,we did not declare war,,that is just your assumption,,rather radical dont u think

Secession:
1.       Formal withdrawal: a formal withdrawal from an organization, state, or alliance..
 
Ok I see all of these stories of people in different States that want to be removed from the United States of America to start their own government. I sit here and I shake my head wondering WHY? So basically these people want to tuck their tails and run away because a Marxist was re-elected… When I hear people talk about pulling out of the Union the first thing that comes to mind is “What a bunch of nutless nitwits.” The type that instead of standing up and fighting for America and for the American Idea they would rather take their toys and go build another sandbox.
It is amazing how over the years you have watched Liberals take a country they didn’t like and have transformed America into and an Ameritopia. A country liberals can be proud of. So all of you nutless secession supporters who are screaming to leave the US, it just proves that YOU must think that America was worth fighting for, that the blood sweat and tears that went into building our country means nothing to you and to be honest that just makes you no better than the Marxist liberals you seem to hate…. So all of you so called Patriots that want to run away instead of standing and fighting back, why don’t you just pack your ass up go to some other country because we have enough America haters in this country as it to have put up with wussies like you…

The people of America are fed up.  It’s unfortunate that we didn’t take such a stand prior to the President’s re-election.  Not that a stand of secession was necessary.  Regardless, the lines were drawn before the election and our President has seen to that.  A civil war of some sorts seems inevitable. 

This comes from Beck who would likely be at the head of the list right there with Rush and Sean Hannity. Really, do you think they need a list at this point? All of us who worked so hard to get the word out, to spread the truth, who used social media and other means to promote our cause. They do not need a list Glenn, they already have it. In my opinion I couldn’t ask for better company then to be with those who will be rounded up. 

INSERT “KING OWEBAMA” for “KING GEORGE” and you get the idea. It’s a “screw you, in your face, I will NOT submit” kind of notion.

I love how people always relate everything to Hatred or to Racial politics. Lets get something clear I am from a muti racial family. With that being said something needs to be done. Obama is destroying our great nation. He has divided us. Now it’s time for him to concur us. I am not going to name off all the reason I think Obama is a bad President and why he should have never ran for a second term to begin with. But let me say this. If we don’t stand up and let them know that we will not go quietly in the night. That we will not allow our government to rule with an iron fist. That we will not let this become a dictatorship. We as Americans have the right to tell our government when we believe they are harming he Nation and its people as a whole.

I love what you said here and really the ” Tree of Liberty needs to be watered by the blood of Patriots” was awesome. Nicely Spoken, and i Agree!

What a disapointment Glen… Really!!! My husband retired from the USAF after 24 yrs. And just for that… being a Vet. He is on Obamas list of those against him. If Soros and Obama want us they dont need to go to those secession lists.

If you think the administration is nefarious enough to repay people who sign these petitions with violence then by your own reasoning you have justified their act. Also, if they would harm any American for voicing their opinion they would also do violence to anyone whether they signed the petition or not. Glen, aren’t you the one who has been warning about war and Apocalypse for some time now and now your shirk at that possibility? If this happens, your voice will be one among many to thank. Plus, we can buy safes and gold from your sponsor to “prepare”!!

Glen you have lost your balls along time ago, you need to stop crying like a little bitch and be a real man, stop licking the boot of the fed and corporations you neo-con pansy. 

So what will happen? three thingscome to my mind.
first of all nothing, due to the fact we the little people mean nothing to ovmit, and he is after bigger fish.
Second, nothing due to the fact we as a whole were lied to by our right wing conservitives news sourse’s..
Third we as a whole rise up and defeat this bastartd and kick his butt out of our White house. We demand a revote.
I am American voter  waited four years to have my say. And it was stolen from me, and hundreds of thousands other voters. Its time to stand up againts, this so called resident in chief. He needs to leave and leave now!

Don’t worry folks, Glen and his team are experts into turning a much needed “extreme” movement and turning into a easily extinguished flame. The Tea Party was a great example: it first started off with principles like ending foreign wars and abolishing the IRS. While these atrocities seemed too “radical” for Glen, Dick Armey and Freedomworks, they quickly threw out these principles,commandeered the popular movement, and steered the once radical Tea Party movement into another Republican skin tag. The “new Tea party” was changed to stand for “taxed enough already”, while previously it stood for NO taxes. The new party then endorsed a progressive RINO like Romney (everything the origins of the tea party were against) and ultimately became extinguished in the loss to Obama.

I’ll keep treating Glen as an establishment tool. If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck…

LOL are you serious? KKK? Who do you think still actively supports Obama? It is funny because Obama really doesn’t put himself in the same category as the rest of the black folks, and neither does the KKK. Obama is half white and his father 100% Kenyan. Obama has NO history of direct ancestors dating back to the Civil War and slavery.
That is why the Klan accepts them because his ancestors haven’t taken away white folk jobs, plus they support abortion because minority women have the most abortions they say and therefore black people are killing themselves off, also it keeps black people enslaved to themselves and the gov, hence more jobs for white people.  Please research before you assume any racist group automatically belongs to the “other” guys party since no one will claim the KKK. I have read and looked up why the KKK supported a Black President and those were the reasons. Makes sense to me, so the question remains why would any self respecting black person vote for a party that holds them back and pretty much hates them belong to the democratic party….wait Obamaphone lady says it all.  

Our lives are going to be disrupted now matter what. It may be that our government has to persecute some of us to free all of us. We no longer have a free news media.  What we have is a news media that is powerful and aligned with one political persuasion; it would take a generation just to correct that imbalance, even if we could do so.

These petitions are a complete waste of time.  There will be no secession unless and until the state governments themselves have the intestinal fortitude to pass a formal resolution to secede.  There is not enough courage in our Federal elected officials to cut spending, pass a budget or stand up to a weak president.  I don’t see much more courage in state governments as a whole.

B. b.but what would a divided union do the the BCS?  Anyone thought of that?!

This is the most chickensh!t thing ive heard come from him? What are we the people supposed to do?? Whats your great idea??

There is a several big differences, Mike.  The people who signed the Declaration were from the Continental Congress, official representatives of the people.  They came to that Congress with authority from their colonies to take action.  They spent a great deal of time discussing options prior to the decision to cut ties with England.  Each of those men knew what Benjamin Franklin said was true, “Surely if we do not hang together, we shall all hang separately.”

The people that are starting and signing these online petitions do not even have to be from the state in question, let alone be official representatives of the state’s population.  For that matter, they only have to have a valid e-mail address; how many valid e-mail addresses can one person amass?  And how many “valid” e-mail addresses can one person create if they are willing to use aliases?

I am as irritated by the election results (which I question, considering some peculiar statistics) as anyone, but I do not yet believe that secession from the United States is going to correct things for my state or any other.  And I agree with Mr. Beck, that it is an incredibly bad idea to sign my name to anything that goes to Mr. Obama’s regime that cannot have the result the petitioners want, anyway.

Does anyone find it ironic that Glenn Becks new Book is entitled Cowards?

OH well, good thing I have relatives in Canada, I could claim sanctuary LOL . Actually I could get my dual citizenship as well, Thanks Dad for being part Canadian.  

I completely agree wth you Christine…this is a government of “we the people” and “by the people”..those in office are elected by the ppl and that includes Obama…we the ppl do not have to tolerate this guy who sees himself as God and the annoited one and eventually, the dictator of this country…that is where this is headed.  I seriously believe that by 2016, he will not give up the office of president WITHOUT a fight and possibly a war from within..who knows, maybe Iran and the Russians and the Muslims will help him out.

Hey you are on to something there friend. LOL I would rather be illegal living here and not on the radar claiming all the free stuff I could get.

Glenn we will not follow obama, we know he stoled the election! we will not go against Israel and thats where we are heading.  it is impossible to impeach him because he is so slimy he gets out of evertthing! now if you really believe civil war can be avoided give us the answer to that! I am Sam Houstons gg grandaughter and the apple didn’t fall far from the tree! i will not let him and his friends go fight that fight and many die at the Alamo so this muslim can bring us down. So any suggestions  will be appreciated but WE WILL NOT FOLLOW OBAMA TO HELL!
 i know as usual there will be no answer but i will nt quit. my grandfather wouldn’t!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Governors_map.svg

There are 28 Rep gov and 21 Dem gov.  RI is Ind.  Look at how the blue states are scatted except on the west coast and the NE.  In a serious secessionist movement, those are the only two places were Progs could out.  Illinois might.

It’s a shame that government has pushed their weight around to get it to this point.  I’m not completely in favor of secession/civil war but really when you think about it, which option is worse:  the fore mentioned secession or the turmoil that we’re already on course for…………
When ObamaCare goes into effect, unemployment will skyrocket.

 SIGN A PETITION!! But do nothing that would actually effect the country. Did you know Hollywood funds the Democratic Party? Of course you know this, but will it stop you from watching the new Twilight? Probably not. Stop you from popping on that television and watching your favorite program? No. Listening to your favorite musicians? Cant see that.
So we sign a petition, and feel invigorated, while liberals continue to use our money to spread their agendas to our schools and colleges, and through our televisions to our kids.
Is anyone holding the media responsible for their crimes against the public and our constitution? No.
Dont congratulate yourselves on being some kind of brave American becuase you signed a petition. I fear that we have turned into a bunch of lazy cowards that find it easier to sign a petition, than to actually do something productive. Better to put our name on a petition than to give up any of our “entertainment”. Pack up and run, instead of fighting for the country we love. Do not compare yourselves to our founding fathers. They had no other direction to go.

If you watch television, if you go to the movies, then you funded this president and the liberal agenda. You got what you paid for.

When will Americans really take a stand? Hasnt happened yet, and hasnt happened by signing this petition.

Is this a threat to We The People, I would certainly think so..
 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-petition-calls-stripping-citizenship-and-exile-anyone-who-signs-petition-secede_663282.html

If we get stripped of citizenship, do we get free housing, education, and healthcare? -Sarcasm-

please let me sign!

Beck, Blow Me ,,|,,

If people want to me Martyrs to stand for principle and truth, that’s their business clown ,,|,, 

randall m
Cambridge, OH November 13, 2012 Signature # 6,997  There is my name and signature, and I put it out there with as much pride as everyone who signe the Declaration of Independence, guess we know what Glenn would have done……sat outside the hall and talked about it while ducking when ever he thought the british could hear

I think you are one of the few voices out there that we can trust Glenn, and that hasn’t changed for me, but I think you are wrong here.  We cannot cower to these domestic enemies, I think it is important to stand up, let your face and name be seen and your voice heard by these tyrants.  I will stand defiantly against them with my voice, my Bible, my Flag and my gun. 

And what are you doing??

In reading this article from Mr. Beck, I am trying to deifier if he would indeed sign a Declaration of Independence or would he sit back and do nothing? I am really confused here. And the brave men who did sign the first Declaration, did knowingly, sign the document, knowing full well they would be tried and executed for treason. So please, Mr. Beck, tell me exactly what you would propose? Will we fight for what we believe in or surrender to Obama at this time. If the States do not come to the aid of their people then are we to just sit back and settle for Obamacare and Obama’s blatant disregard for our Constitution and our Liberties? Honestly, I have read his words and can not tell exactly what he suggests we do?

So, somebody thinks that people who exercise their freedom of speech about an issue should be stripped of their citizenship and deported? You literally cannot get anymore unAmerican than that.

to complete Jeffereson’s quote, though, there is something about the blood of tyrants being spilled as well. The mere mention of which is seen as treason to the tyrant and those who support him/her. I think it was British Lord Bacon (I may be wrong) who said famously ”treason never prospers because if it does, who dare call it treason?” that’s a mouthful.

To your comment, “If he chooses to shed American blood for power, then we do not have a civil war; we shall then have a revolution for our Independence which will end only in victory or death.” – I quote a true American Patriot, Patrick Henry:  “Give me Liberty or give me death!”

Lets evaluate this shall we? If and its a big IF a few states got the votes to secede, would thier be a war? I don’t think there would on the count of one thing… The federal government is BROKE! How many millions of taxpayers would just stop paying the bills if only texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama, and georgia were to secede? The federal gov’t has to borrow a trillion dollars each year in relative peace time. Now imagine if they lost all those taxpayers and they had to finance a war… not in some backwater country like afghanistan, but in thier own backyard? Who would finance that war? And lets not forget the military’s decision in all of this. Who will they choose to protect? An administration that has slandered them, cut thier funding and tried to undermine the constitution that they’ve sworn to protect? Or will they choose the people who have supported them and respect the constitutional values? President Lincoln was in the right to preserve the union at the time, but these are far different times. This administration seeks to hand our sovereignty over to the U.N. Something I believe even Lincoln would advocate secession for.

randall m
Cambridge, OH November 13, 2012 Signature # 6,997     Tell me again how I am not a real person, or how cowering because you are afraid of the govt is any different than the people who valued thier own lives more than liberty.

Wisconsin Secession link: http://wh.gov/96tb

Well, the President would actually have to be in a chair and actually work to “review” anything……

probably not a good idea to be posting on Glenn’s site either , you will end up in the same database as those who signed the petition

Petitions to secede are a joke and can not be taken seriously.  The War Between the States resolved the Constitution’s meaning for any states that entered the Union after 1865, with no delusions about the contractual understanding of the parties. Thus, 15 states from Alaska to Colorado to Washington entered in the full understanding that this was the view of the Union. Moreover, the enactment of the 14th Amendment strengthened the view that the Constitution is a compact between “the people” and the federal government. The amendment affirms the power of the states to make their own laws, but those laws cannot “abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.  So if folks are serious, then to follow their petition they must also declare war to fight for their independence and win.  Which will not occur.  Instead, stop complaining and use the power granted to us within the Constitution to vote and convince others that your ideas are better without threatening them.  Better ideas will prevail, even if it takes bad ideas to fail before them.  But the voting is over and we have our President.  Give him the respect the office demands until the next election or unlessl he violates the Constitution and is impeached and dismissed from office.

President Ezra Taft Benson said that the constitution would not be saved in Washington. He didn’t elaborate. Consider this, if states secede and form a new country and the new country adopts the US Constitution, would that be ‘saving’ the constitution? 

PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT, WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, NOT THE POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON. IF THEY HAVE GONE ROUGE AND NO LONGER REPRESENT THE PEOPLE , THEN IT IS TIME TO TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK BY WHATEVER MEANS. IF PEACEFUL PETITION IS THE FIRST STEP THEN LET IT BE KNOWNTHAT WE ARE OMING FOR OUR COUNTRY. THE NEXT MOVE IS UP TO THOSE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US.

 The very notion that it’s even considered is worrisome and sad….
I’d rather take my chances as an independent state then risk what the current administration has in mind.
I think the ones that voted for him should be ‘one country’ and everyone else another…then we’ll see who survives.

Just tell me where I go to sign!!

No the Continental congress was an unsupported group that represented about 15% of the country at the time…. It is always the few who do that affect the many, always.

WTF are you smokin George? Unless he violates the constitution??? How many times?

Lets evaluate this shall we? If and its a big IF a few states got the votes to secede, would thier be a war? I don’t think there would on the count of one thing… The federal government is BROKE! How many millions of taxpayers would just stop paying the bills if only texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama, and georgia were to secede? The federal gov’t has to borrow a trillion dollars each year in relative peace time. Now imagine if they lost all those taxpayers and they had to finance a war… not in some backwater country like afghanistan, but in thier own backyard? Who would finance that war? And lets not forget the military’s decision in all of this. Who will they choose to protect? An administration that has slandered them, cut thier funding and tried to undermine the constitution that they’ve sworn to protect? Or will they choose the people who have supported them and respect the constitutional values? President Lincoln was in the right to preserve the union at the time, but these are far different times. This administration seeks to hand our sovereignty over to the U.N. Something I believe even Lincoln would advocate secession for.

His remarks reminded me of the CNN correspondent who mocked The People for doing this.  He said,(  I’m paraphrasing) “It’s crazy to think it could happen, or that it would. Shaking his head as if to say  (Really I have to stand here and report on this nonsense.)  The Info-babe said, Yes, I agree with you, it’ll never happen.” It really p***me off.  Now Glenn’s reaction is the same the next day. No we are SERIOUS, Glenn and CNN.  Don’t you think we knew when we went to the site What we were doing?  I’m tired of the rich and famous shaking their heads at us!  I agree with Mike, the 1st commentor.

If you haven’t figured it out already, they’re trying to make O’bama the new Lincoln; don’t give them the opportunity!!

I didn’t say you weren’t a real person because you signed it, Randall.  And who is to say that I’m cowering because I still believe in the United States and its Constitution, that it is a better place to stand than in the Sovereign Nation of Ohio — a state so divided that we managed to send Steve Stivers AND Sherrod Brown back to DC out of the same election, and the state that “sealed the deal” for Mr. Obama?

Great job conveying your complete indoctrination by the state, Ned. If you think the Civil War was started because of slavery, you are completely delusional. If you think Abraham Lincoln was “The Great Emancipator” of slaves, you have a special type of wool over your eyes. Read any of the Lincoln-Douglas debates and you would see (what you should know before collectively giving names to any group of people like any primitive would) Lincoln defended slavery many times. The Civil War was a result of Feds denying Tenth Amendment rights to individual states. So happened ol’ Honest Abe adopted the abolitionist platform after declaring war on the Confederacy to garner support. 

So before you shrink your brain any further and label the South (which so happens to be a very diverse set of people..but of course, not to you is it?) primitively as “KKK crackers”, you should study up a bit on your history. Please don’t make anymore general assumptions in your “conservative” writings as an editor either, as it makes the rest of us look like a bunch of ill-informed, primitive progressives.

Very true Glenn.. You won’t get succession without war.. Yet, the way I look at it is…. The Civil War only determined a compromise between the statesman of two nations. Without the Constitution you havent got a Union… and without the Declaration of Independence you havent got a legitimate Constitution…Sort of like a business contract between two rivaling businesses.. Sort of like Microsoft and Apple… When Apple was ready to fall on its butt, Bill Gates came in to cooperation with Apple in order to help.. Yet, they are two separate companies working together for the benefit of everyone.. Then within that you have your die hard Mac fans, and your die hard Microsoft fans.. and somewhere in between you have the people that dont give a rats petute just as long as they can power the thing up, do their work, and get on the internet. Yet, I look at it as the Declaration of Independence is the right to succession.. and without that piece of paper, the Constitution is an illegitimate document..Sort of like your kid writing the rules to his bedroom and posting it on the door… As the parent and the home owner, Your rules don’t apply to me unless I grace you with tolerating your rules.. just as long as my rules don’t infringe on your human rights.

Every state has a rite to leave the union wither it be peaceful like the states want or otherwise. The people are tired of the way things are run and heading.

Man, the moslem brotherhood traitor in chief, Obumhole, should be peeping in his little panties over this.  What a fine chance to break up the states and get his black flag of al qaeda flying atop the out house.

Your talking about the way people view Obama, David… I’m talking about reality. Those are two different things.

Truth be told, our forefathers did not pack and run, they kicked England out.

No, they don’t have that right.  The only state that actually has that right is Texas.  Every other state has no chance of secession without approval from Congress.

So Glen let me get this straight, you’re concerned that I put my name on this petition . . h m m. let me see here . . mainly as a protest mind tyou   . . but my name is MOST LIKELY been data mined and foldered by the govt; in that I am regristered on-line NRA member, Teaparty member, 912 member, Oathkeepers member, veteran,   VFW member and American Legion member . . the govt via our tax dollars have established 77 State Intelligence Fusion Centers located throughout the US who currently spy and most likely collected and formalized threat assessments on ALL US citizens already;, we also have the NSA data mining every social internet media known to mankind . . so my simple response is this “I WOULD RATHER STAND TALL AND DIE AS A FREE MAN AS OPPOSED TO BEING A SLAVE ON MY FRIGGING KNEES . . So many in my family ancestry have served and some have offered the ultimate sacrficse for our beloved country, I have no other remedy than to offer resistance whenever and wherever I can to honor their sacrifice to preserve the remains of our Republic with the hopes of restoring our Republic someday.

You gotta love our founders in their day which ring so true today:
  
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated” ― Thomas Paine, The Crisis
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 ”If the Obama administration does use this list to retaliate on those who signed it, what does that tell you?”
Obama is a dictator and we are officially living under a dictatorship period.

“If the Obama administration does use this list to retaliate on those who signed it, what does that tell you?”

Obama is a dictator and we are officially living under a dictatorship period.

couldn’t have said it better myself laura

Ah, but here I have hope of meeting my goal, which is to discuss the issue and put forth my thoughts.  If I am an enemy of the state for commenting, I’m probably already one for subscribing.

Agreed

Amazing! Mom always said the jewelry was for when you couldn’t pay the mortgage or you needed to buy food. A lot of Jewish woman traded their jewelry for safe passage. 

 Bring it…I’m sure I won’t stand alone…

KIM- Sorry to tell you your stating untrue facts.  If you signed the Petetion you would clearly know that what you just said if a false, inaccurate statement. Irritating ppl!

Why would anyone in their right mind got to whitehouse.gov and document that they wanted to

secede?  This is beyond stupid.  And what does the White House have to do with secession?  This is the government you are trying to get rid of.  So, send them and note and tell them?  OMG!  This is the business of the states. 

 You cant stand by your country if you leave it. I do agree with you that you are already on the government’s list of “terrorists”, wrongfully so, but still are. Thank you for your service. Please understand I respect every veteran, and appreciate your sacrafice whether in war time or peace.
“The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink
from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now,
deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” Awesome quote, but means nothing if we leave the country you have served, and Thomas Paine is talking about, when it is time to grab our boot straps and start making a difference. We havent even begun to fight liberalism and socialism, but we are ready to run from it.

You are incorrect. The Ku Klux Klan DOES NOT support Obama. Some divisions of the KKK would love to see Obama as gator bait.

Truly an amazing grass roots response to this election.  This has not happened before and it says something profound about this last election.  I think when you add up the number of people who said “I didn’t vote for him!” you’ll find that the only way he got in office the first time and this time was voter fraud.  So now, we the people have had it!  We’re done, we’re through with the garbage.  We’re tired of the idea that we elect someone to public office and they get rich while they’re there, and we keep paying until they die. That the rules for them are different than the rules for us.  So yes, let’s secede.  Go back to the basic 10 amendments and only legislate enough to keep ourselves safe and sane.  Maybe the states that secede can reform into a “more perfect union” than the one O’what’shisname is running into the ground.   

 Or hit them in the pocket by ceasing to support those that support liberalism and socialism. We talk tough, but when its time to give up entertainment and such, will we do it? No. Do we really think people will jump up to assist in secession if that ever came to pass? Doubtful.

Excuse  me Sean with all do respect, we are NOT the United States of America you know the one you’re thinking about.  We’ve already been Hi-Jacked by the UN and the Globalists.  Open your eyes wider….you will see this is not what you think it is anymore.

Randall, I consider you a bonafied person and you are likely a patriot.  You are also quite stupid to sign a petition at whitehouse.$ov telling them you want to secede.  This is not the path to secession.  That path is through your state.  One thing for sure, you are now on the list with all the other noncontents and terrorists.  Good luck.  Try looking before you leap.

It’s not that he’s gutless, it’s he wants to see this country to stay intact. United we stand, divided we fall. If there is a second Civil War as a result of a second secession,  there will be many lives lost on our own soil and innocent people will die. Not too mention the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice to defend this country against anything that threatens this country will be in vain. Let it be clear, I don’t like Obama and I voted against him in both elections. However, this is the quitters way out. Those who signed the petition should be protesting in D.C. to let Obama and the rest of the politicians know, we the people are the ones who put them into power. We are also the ones who can remove them from power as they serve us, not the other way around.

Yes, and based on the elections, we are no longer the United States.  I only refer to us as America now.

They can track people no matter where they go quite easily.  There isn’t a law against for expressing one’s opinion. I don’t know now. lol

 Good point.

Yes, I saw the petition that countered secession petition signers’ with the threat to strip us of our citizenship.  So – then what happens to us?  We’ll be living here peacefully with 12 million other illegals, except now we don’t have to show ID to the police and get free medical care?
 

These White House petitions just for PR, maybe to get some news on the complaints.  There is a way to really secede: push it on your state legislature.  That’s where petitions should be going.

I thought it was in Texas’s right to secede from the Union without any questions asked. If that happens, I am going to have to improve my Texas accent.

So they are the cowards???

10-289 I will not comply

.I’d move to Texas for liberty and freedom before I become a slave to Obama and his communist way of thinking. Sorry Glenn, but there comes a time when one has to make a stand and this just may be it.  Texas and the other states, I stand with you.

Unless you are a white male that is.

Amen to that!!!!  You said exactly what I’ve been trying to say and you said it beautifully!

I wrote the following statements a little over a year ago. They are ideas I think would be relevant to the present conversation. And to answer your question, yes I saw the possibility of this happening a year ago.
There are many misconceptions about the constitution. It’s one of the reasons why “uncle Sam” is having trouble following it now. I myself had many preconcieved notions about the constitution. I thought that the founders concidered the U.S. That they concidered us “One nation under god” Then I read a few quotes some of the founders. They kept refering to “the” united states as “these” united states. That puzzled me a little. I looked up the words “state” and “federation” which is the rootword for “federal” in federal gov’t. The word state means “a nation with a sovereign gov’t.” The word federation means “an alliance of seperate groups.” I believe that we weren’t meant to be “one” nation, but many united under the cause of liberty.

Unfortunately, the federal gov’t has turned into something reminiscent of Frankenstien’s monster. It has turned on it’s master. Why? Corruption. All organizations, be they a group, buisiness, or gov’t, are corruptable. The reason is simple. Any organization has power over a certain number of individuals. So people who desire power for thier own purposes will naturally seek to lead. “Do the unions come to mind?” Not even the TEA party is completely immune to this threat. It can be minimized by a system of checks and balances, which the founders had the wisdom to add. That system has lasted for over 220 years, but it has been corrupted to the point where those in power are not punished so long as they are popular. The american experiment will fail if it is allowed to go on this way. Concidering everything that’s going on, it may already be to late. Only one thing is certain, the america 10 years from now will not be recognizable to the americans of today.

It’s time to change up the game. No longer can we “stay the course”. Our liberty is at stake. “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance” Thomas Jefferson. Do we have what it takes to pay that price? Do we have what it takes to correct the problems that are plaguing us?… to restore what has been lost? I fear that the least it will take is a constitutional convention to make things right.

The changes i’d make to the constitution probably couldn’t be installed with an amendment A constitutional convention could be called, but that opens up the door to changes that could make the matter worse. You’d have to go into the convention with the prepared revision already in hand. I will state the changes that I think need to be made and why.

1) The first ten amendments, “the Bill of Rights” will be incorporated into the new constitution as an article and sections. Throw all the other amendments out.
why? Since this is a new constitution, all amendments will have to be ratified again. I wouldn’t wan’t even one of the first ten up for debate. The main body of the current constitution tells the federal gov’t everything it CAN do, meaning it was never supposed to expand it’s powers beyond what the main body allowed. “Tenth amendment anyone?” The Bill of Rights were mainly for the state and local gov’ts, “but also applied to the federal”. It tells them what rights they CAN’T take from the people. That these rights must be protected by all forms of gov’t, “local, state, and federal”. Why throw all the other amendments out? What about the amendment making slavery illegal? What about civil rights? Women’s rights? All of those questions are answered with my next change to the constitution.

2) The 3/5 compromise will be replaced by the following, “All people ‘from conception’ are created equal, endowed by the creator with certain unalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness are among them. The peoples’ rights and thier equality is protected by law.
Why? Slavery is deplorable by almost every society now. The 3/5 compromise is not needed now, nor will it be needed in the new constitution.

3) Secession must be made legal for any reason other than slavery. A super majority vote by the people must pass for cecession to take place.
Why? If the state’s people feel they have been mistreated by the federal gov’t, and thier grievances are ignored, that state should be allowed to secede. This is not a single nation, but an alliance of nations. If the states are allowed to leave b/c they feel oppressed, the federal gov’t will be forced to tread lightly.

4) Any nation in the world can join the union by first becoming a territory for a minimum of 10 years.
Why? Look on the back of a dollar bill and you will find the words “Novus Ordo Seclorum” A new order for the ages. I believe the founders wanted the union to be a federation b/c they envisioned a new world order. Where nation after nation begin to allow thier people rights that they have never known before. Where the people could rule themselves with minimum interference from the gov’t. Why 10 years? To give the people of that nation time to learn thier new rights, and time for the states to discern the true intentions of thier leadership.

5) All federal senators salaries will be paid for by the states, therefore the states will choose the salaries. All federal representatives salaries will be paid for by thier respective districts, therefore each district will choose the salaries. No exeptions
Why? That’s pretty much self explanatory. Something’s not right when the congress chooses its own salary

6) Should the national debt reach an excess of 500 billion, all federal elected officials will have thier annual salaries cut to $20,000 until the debt falls below that mark. If the debt surpasses 1 trillion, no elected federal official that is holding office at the time may run for office again.
Why? This is our money, this is our country at stake. There is no way that we should allow any congress or administration to have a job after being so careless with our money. There are factors like other nations joining the union that would affect that number, maybe a war, but i’d say a trillion dollar debt limit is more than generous.

The last one is a little complicated, but it should be pretty self explanitory. It makes the federal gov’t accountable, and gives the state gov’ts some teeth to battle a corrupt federal gov’t. Again, I welcome any comments and critisism.

7) If 10 or more state gov’ts “both legislative and executive branches” agree that the federal gov’t has gotten to corrupt to police itself, the “State Collective” will be assembled.
The Collective will consist of two committees, the executive committee and the judicial committee. The executive committee will be made up of the governors of each state. They will have the power to appoint investigators and ‘if the accused are found guilty’ a temporary replacement. The judicial committee, one supreme court justice of each state supreme court will be chosen by the congress of each state.
The investigators will have access to all files, documents, records, etc. They will be sworn to secrecy for anything that is classified unless there is evidence of corruption in said documents. They will then present thier evidence to the judicial committee.
The decision that there is valid evidence for corruption will fall to the judicial committee. A simple majority will cast a vote of “Confidence” or “No Confidence”. To those individuals that recieve a vote of “No Confidence”, They will be thrown from office, they will never be able to work for any gov’t position. “not even a local post office job.” All benefits will be forfeit. Then they can be tried in the regular court system for crimes against the union.
The state collective can only be summoned once every two years at minimum. It can only challenge one branch of the federal gov’t at a time. The house of representatives and the senate must be challenged separately.

The constitution was refered to as “The American Experiment”. Thomas Edison had to experiment with the light bulb some 30 times before he got it right. The way you conduct an experiment when it fails is follow a simple principle, “You keep what works. Throw out or replace what doesn’t.” I believe that this concept should be applied to our “American Experiment” as well.

I am not sure what to do in this case.  I haven’t signed it but I know 2 people who have.  I don’t want Obama having my name and I don’t want a White House account.  I know it says peaceful, but this is war.  Obama is not going to give up his kingdom.  There has to be a different way.  I don’t like this man any more than most.  I think he is evil from the word go.  I also think he has done nothing but harm the country with all these “rules” or commands he has written.  He does think he is a king.  My greatest concern is this country.  We the People.  I have been wondering besides praying what my actions should be.  I know Obama did not win.  People from Somalia can’t vote here unless they become a naturalized citizen.  We need to think clearly and not fly off the handle.

 And why not – the president and his cronies show their faces on a daily basis, and they’re what, better then I am?
They work for ME, yet they steal and lie and pose threats to anyone that disagrees with them. This is the most two-faced administration I have ever seen – there’s no way I’m going to cower away just because….they have quite another thing coming.

I like the update about how there is a new petition asking for people who signed the petition to be stripped of citizenship.  Isn’t that what they are asking for in the first place (for the whole state to no longer be citizens?

I looked at the petitions to secede for SC (found two) and noticed that people from other states are signing them.  They are increasing the signature count but will those signatures actually be valid if they don’t actually live in SC?  Isn’t that just more fraud?  SMH

That was the original brave moment.  We should all strive to be that brave.

I hope this happens.  Let those bleeding heart blue lovin’ Liberals destroy themselves because I could care less.  Let them run up welfare, food stamps, the Obama phones, along with abortion-on-demand, and gay marriage in their own states. The states who refuse to secede are nothing more than just the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. 

No more freedom of speach? This isn’t America anymore!

Protesting in the streets is what Obama wants. All those Hollow Points he ordered He wants to use, those camps are waiting. I myself am not sure I want to give him that satisfaction. He and his cronies invited in the riots of those protesting Wall Street. Incouraged them…

 Hijnacked? Or lulled to sleep? I am well aware of the state of the Union, do you think this is anything that JUST happened? Not arguing with you, mind you, but if these petitions are the best we can do, then it isnt enough. I still believe that over half of this nation is conservative, and the popular vote agrees. Why should we leave? Why not take a real stand?
Do you know, that if you watch a movie, watch most television, listen to most music, that you are funding these people? Of course we know this! Yet, has conservatives stop donating their money to Hollywood? No. That is the biggest financial supporters of Democrats.
So much more we can do that will make an actual difference, yet we dont. Secession is not even reasonable if we cannot bear the thought of no “I Love Lucy” reruns.
Most conservatives gave more money to the Democrats than Republicans, and either do not know it, or simply do not care.

Terrorists??? I beg your pardon!!!

I don’t care what they attempt to do with me ….but I live in MD…so I doubt if O’Mally and the rest of these lefties would sign a cheerios box…I am surprised at you Glenn who the hell cares about peace at this point ..”give war a chance”….you have a better idea?….Donn W. Layne..410-615-0001….Oh here is a good one ..we will vote them out….oh how about this one …we will vote REAL conservatives in..in 2014…or …here is another one ..we will start a group..oh I don’t know maybe we will name it after some people with balls in Massachusetts …and then we will have slogans …like “don’t tread on me”….and “live free or die”…I applaud these people …and so do you…so…I don’t know what the hell you are talking about…also…nothing is EVER settled…!!

But if they strip you of your citizenship, that means you are an alien.  Then you can have free welfare and medical care, then get amnesty which gets you better tuition rates in addition to all the other free stuff.  And you probably aren’t paying any taxes to pay for any of the free stuff.  Gee, losing citizen ship is sounding pretty good.

Awesome “comment”, Theresa, totally awesome

But if they strip you of your citizenship, that means you are an alien.  Then you can have free welfare and medical care, then get amnesty which gets you better tuition rates in addition to all the other free stuff.  And you probably aren’t paying any taxes to pay for any of the free stuff.  Gee, losing citizen ship is sounding pretty good

Protesting will get us no where,  Sad but true.

Mr. Beck,

If you are worried that “words” sent to a website could be put a U.S. citizen in danger, than we don’t have to worry about the questions is obama a dictator and are we losing OUR Constitutional rights. You just answered that question. It is a sad day for the US when we have to cower like little lost sheep as to what our government will, and can do to us. Tyranny is alive and well in the U.S. and you cannot blame these people for not wanting to be part of this tyranny.

YES…Theresa…that is exactly what I believe…Donn

If you had read down through posts you would have seen one I made… Soros and Obama will go after anyone who disagrees with the agenda he has, If your retired Military, currant Military, worked anything republican or voted so… your on his bad list.

You bet they think they are better than you.  And if you believe that anyone in state or federal government works for you or ever has worked for you in your lifetime… well then, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I’ll sell you cheap.

The government cannot run without our consent, the government uses taxes to support itself and the looters

 yeah, they THINK that…
If anyone brings this, it’s not because America did, it’s because those that think they’re untouchable did…

Not if you invested in gold line ..They took your profit up front you would
probably break even..

I do. You have mean-spirited people that are spoiled brats(not rational adults) running this nation into the ground. Did you see Joe Biden on dialogue with Paul Ryan?—one is an adult–and the other is a smart=-aleck And its appears there is much tampering with the election voting process–thieves–will you let thieves and cheats run your life?? Not me!

300 million vs. ????

that is what makes a horse race Kim ….Glenn is DEAD WRONG..you are wrong…unless and until someone gives me an idea that I think is better…then I will be happy to step asside

Did everyone just know discover the Obummer is a dictator????    All those executive orders.  He goes around CONgress anytime he wants something.  I am sure the election was rigged from the start.   Beginning with the RNC picking another progressive communist named Romney instead of Ron Paul a true American.   Paul in a FAIR election would have buried Obummer. 

Yeah, but we let them didn’t we?  I can’t believe the number of Catholics and Jews that voted for Obama.  The sheep have just voted for the wolf.  And, then, how many didn’t vote.  Just amazing.

Tip of the hat to those of you who are willing to sign petitions and, by identifying yourself, expose yourself to the “revenge” of BO.

No. I have thought he was since day one.

 Oh I agree…pretty damn sad….

 I’ve got nothing to hide….in fact, lets expose it ALL….
You want transparency??

I am already having have a significant disruption in the lifestyle of the United States of America Glen.  I personally figure that if it going to be a disruption it will be one that I want to have control of.. 

We want the Fair Tax to replace the IRS so that will also take away the need for the IRS & it’s Federal budgets etc.  Not to mention the Teeth out of the Federal Government.  Let them gum on the money that we provide to do what the people want or at least the Majority & let the smaller groups follow us for a change instead of a small group leading the rest of us around to pay for their stuff

And a secession will? Even if Obama lets the US be split into fragments, he will put all kind of tariffs on the newly formed country or countries making it extremely difficult to prosper which would force them to either return to the Union or declare war. That’s if he doesn’t threaten those who secede with a war. 

People should not be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of it’s people.

V for Vendetta

What does it say? I would like to sign it! I for once would like to know my voice counts for something!? We the people are now the under dogs and our children’s future is looking doomed! Like Theresa, I believe we should fight for our children’s future. So what is the smartest way?

So if they are stripped of their citizenship (for wanting to secede), that would mean that the stripped ex-citizens don’t have to pay taxes and don’t have to comply with Obamacare, right?  So, what’s the problem?

love that movie ^_^

I agree that we are all probably on that watch list anyway.  Facebook, emails, phone calls, internet pages we visited.  Obama is against Christians, Veterans, Boy Scouts, hunters, fishermen, any outdoorsmen, Sons of Confederate Veterans, VFW, etc….  I don’t really know that it can make much difference to sign the petition because I think they have all of us profiled already.

Don’t think so Terry. Mr. Paul never stood a chance but did line his pockets nicely over the past two elections.  None of the Repubs had a chance.  Look far enough up stream and you will find whoever “allows” people to run for office.  The R’s and D’s and, yes BO, are simply puppets of the World Bank.  BO is simply the implementor.  BTW, I am not trying to pick a fight with you around RP.

 You know, by watching that movie, you funded Obama’s campaign?

By not divulging it on the net. 

You know, by watching that movie, you funded Obama’s campaign?  Still love it?

Guy Fawkes was a freedom fighter not a communist.

We are going to have a major disruption in the American way of life either way.  It started 4 years ago and now it will be shifted into 5th gear to go full speed. He got enough vote I feel illegally…so now he feels there is nothing to stop him. He wants to bring in the United Nations with all their wonderful leaders. Who really thinks this Pres(?) has the good of the US in mind. His history and past relationships ell me he doesn’t.

 what would have even been better is if they didn’t Plagiarized themselves to say it… the original quote was spoken by Thomas Jefferson…during or before the revolutionary war

 At least give proper credit where credit is due on the Thomas Jefferson quote you so humbly credited as your own…

GLENN, SHOWS WHAT A COWARD HE REALLY IS! WHO CARES WHAT LIST YOU ARE ON, THEY KNOW HOW YOU VOTE, WHO YOU ARE CALLING, WHAT CHANNELS YOU WATCH SO WHO CARES IF YOU AGREE TO SEPARATE FROM THEM?  GLENN YOU CAN RUN AND HIDE IN THE CLOSET ALL YOU WANT LIKE YOU RAN FROM FOX….

I would like to let everyone know how “proud” I am that Charlotte, NC has made it on the map not once, but twice this year.  First the DNC.  I went…& even had my picture taken in front of a Mitt cut-out (I was the only one in the line).  And now…Ms. Paula Broadwell (the female that brought down “retired” Army Gen. David Petraeus lives in Charlotte.  I just couldn’t be prouder!  I finally took my American flag down.
DISGUSTED & BITTER in Charlotte,
Marilyn Walsh

That would be about right. Strip people of citizenship because they don’t like the way things are going.  Freedom of speech at its best.

While I think it was a dumb thing to try and scare people by Glenn saying that Obama has the list of names (paraphrasing), I do share in the fact that it is of no good consequence to sign these petitions.
I wrote earlier:
SIGN A PETITION!! But do nothing that would actually effect the
country. Did you know Hollywood funds the Democratic Party? Of course
you know this, but will it stop you from watching the new Twilight?
Probably not. Stop you from popping on that television and watching your
favorite program? No. Listening to your favorite musicians? Cant see
that.So we sign a petition, and feel invigorated, while liberals
continue to use our money to spread their agendas to our schools and
colleges, and through our televisions to our kids.Is anyone holding the media responsible for their crimes against the public and our constitution? No.Dont
congratulate yourselves on being some kind of brave American because
you signed a petition. I fear that we have turned into a bunch of lazy
cowards that find it easier to sign a petition, than to actually do
something productive. Better to put our name on a petition than to give
up any of our “entertainment”. Pack up and run, instead of fighting for
the country we love. Do not compare yourselves to our founding fathers.
They had no other direction to go.
If you watch television, if you
go to the movies, then you funded this president and the liberal
agenda. You got what you paid for.
When will Americans really take a stand? Hasnt happened yet, and hasnt happened by signing this petition.

I didn’t send a penny to the Obama campaign because I never bought it, rented it, or watched in theaters. Besides, that movie did more than just throw a few dollars to the democrats. It opened the conversation in the minds of many that governments are there to serve, not rule. Something many americans have forgotten… I know this administration has.

Actually Kim the signers of the Declaration signed their death warrants with their signatures.  That WAS treason in the eyes of King George.  They would have been publicly executed if we had lost.  The representatives of the Continental Congress were picked by the people NOT King George.  

Oh, there will be a war if any state(s) secced.  That was the primary purpose of the Civil War – the slavery thing came in later.  The Federal Government will never allow it to happen.  But think for a second.  If any states seceed, they will likely be those in the mid west and south.   You can pretty much figure out which ones.  Just look at the red/blue election map.  But, look at the states that stay in the union.  See anything strange?  Yup, they own the ports.  Now, that’s not good.  Then they go bankrupt trying to fund all of their programs and turn to other countries for help – we the secceded states would in no way bail them out.  So other countries gain power – Europe in the NE and China in California.  We would effectively be flanked.  I know secession is a very popular concept but making it work is another story.

Socialism will destroy itself, it is a candle burning at both ends, the socialists/liberals can gloat now, after it fails again like it has for the past 100 years, they have no recourse, they own it, they will suffer and we will survive.

 I agree, I saw it, but think of how many people purchased it alone. That money went to feed the Democratic Party, was my point.

Glenn, you are correct.. but it was decided and settled way way before the Civil War in this country.. about the time of the Magna Charta, and the Stamp Act… The rights were defined… the taxes refuted… THEN the Civil War put it in concrete…. and now.. now the government needs to decide if they want it to remain in concrete.. or be in concrete….. hmmmmm????????

All the states have to do is simply STOP participating in federal affairs.   Game over. Print your own money, don’t enforce federal regulations, turn federal funding down. I realize it’s more complex, but if the US dollar collapses, and say Texas coined their own money, backed by gold, and people started to ACCEPT IT over US dollars……  It’s GAME OVER….  Buh bye…. 

I would very much like to know when Glenn sold out?   He went from telling everyone to rise up and be heard and to take action when he was on Fox News and now he is just like sit down and shut up.  Where did your balls go Glenn?  Time for you to finally lead and you cower to the establishment.  

hahahaha.. too true!!!!

 What about the actors and the producers and the ones that actually got paid from this? Where did their money go?

We are trying to protest in the only way we seem to be able to.  This is getting our anger out.  We as individuals do not know what we can do. Who do we turn to.  It doesn’t do anything to vote, they use disenfranchisment as the reason that they don’t want voter ID, but what about all the military who are dying for our freedom to vote and their votes are misplaced in a warehouse.  They weren’t found until after the deadline, really, how stupid do they think we are.  Who do we turn to when we as Americans that have a right to vote turn to?  Can you tell us Glenn?  I always turned to you for guidance.  The people you have had on your show has inspired my family.  I went to Restoring Honor and I have always thought you were for us little people. We are the key, but where is the door?  This is frustration that is having us sign these petitions.  I have also signed the one to have BO impeached, but that will go nowhere either.  Our Congress has no loyalty except to what they can get out of the US.  Where is the door Glenn

Hi Laura.  Easy to say on paper.  Actually, everyone will suffer – some more than others.  Hold on tight, the next four years (assuming we get through it) will be breathtaking.  It already is.  Some un Godly amount of new regulations have just popped up.

 I would rather be considered stupid by you than silent. If that puts me on the list of “noncontents and terrorists” so be it.  I can guarantee that most of the almost 100,000 signatures representing Texas are legit. BTW, I do think Texas could survive without y’all.

 True, but not all of them and we have the oilfields and the guys that work them

This is simply the way for some very frustrated people to show the WH and Congress how we feel.  Our votes obviously didn’t mean anything, because the fraud is rampent and no one is doing anything about it but Allen West. 

Some thing I noticed is that there are duplicate petition for several states and that combining them would enlarge the number of signatures providng there are no duplicate signatures. I also learned that byour not only putting your name on a document that will probaly be viewed by every security group the gov has and the president as well, you have to create an account with whithouse.gov to be able to sign or create one of these petitions. No matter what I believe that as a nation we can eventually find ways to fix thing and rebuild ourselves, but also I believe that unfortunatelyit will take a large Event of somekind to get us there, I just hope A civil war isn’t it

So if they strip them of their citizenship, does that mean they get all the perks that illegals are already getting?

A lot of money from Ironman, Thor, Captain America, and Avengers probably went to the democrat party as well. I guess I can never watch a good movie again by that logic. I don’t wish to talk about what money went where, but the inspiration inspired by films like V will go farther than money will ever go.

Someone once said, if you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?    Well, what about being an American.    I signed the petition in Florida and I wondered if I was going to be put on a list.   I figured, I’m probably ALREADY on their list.  

I figured if they have nothing else to do but go after a senior citizen living with 5 cats and working as a cashier … then so be it.   I hope when my time comes I will go down “standing for what is right” rather than bowing down to a dictator.   

“Fed up with big government” doesn’t adequately describe my feelings – financially and morally robbed by the government to fund immoral or lazy behavior; demeaned and degraded by the government because I work hard; citizens purposely divided and pitted against each other with this progressive government and their PR firm/mainstream media prodding the angry, hate-filled process by inciting their base at every opportunity; angered by the inequality of justice rulings in our country based solely on race; upset that Obamatax/care is now the law of the land; distrust in all that big government is doing; distrust in our election process; and disbelief that THIS president, with all the lies, scandals, coverups, fiscal irresponsibility, and inaction was reelected really ticks me off.  Let’s be honest, I did, in fact, wake up the next morning and got back to work, to life….but the cumulative effect of all that is going wrong in our country is so much more than “fed up” and I can understand people that worked hard to get out the vote, to get the honest messages out, that have been in the trenches fighting not for a candidate, but for our very way of life, have the need to do something to show they don’t agree with and can hardly recognize the direction this country is going in.  If signing a peaceful petition is a method of showing that, so be it.

Toothfairy, you petition your state not the feds.  Do you think the Jews should have written Hitler and told them they didn’t want anything to do with the Thired Reich?  And, then provided the name and address????   And, no my friend, Texas would not survive.  Just saying.  Hey, I’ll go down shooting.  I’m not against you.

There’s a difference between not being fearful and being cautious.  If there’s one thing this administration taught us…it’s not to trust them.

Debby, look to God. Look to our Savior, Jesus. He is coming soon. Are you ready? 

What?  Surely you jest…

Some suggestions: Atlas Shrugged, the Fountain Head and any movies done by Howard Hawks.

Let thos SOB’s come after me – instead of them overwhleming the system Alinsky style - we will overwhelm THEM American Patriot Style! 

 I disagree – Texas would survive….and quite well at that!

went to see atlas shrugged, liked it, was the only person in the theater. That confirmed my suspissions this country was in trouble.

Hitler didn’t care.  Either did Stalin.  Either did Mao.  They’ll just throw you in the box cars with the rest of the malcontents.  Instead of box cars they have busses.  Then you go to your local FEMA camp. 

While the idea of th ROT (Republic Of Texas) has been part of Texas culture for some decades with some taking it more seriously than others, secession is not the answer.  It’s been tried before and it was ugly, horrible and deadly.

The vote is the voice:  Like it or not — make it work.  We asked for four more years of this, as a country we decided we hadn’t had enough.  As any recovering addict would say “you have to hit rock bottom”.  Apparently we have enough citizens still addicted to big government who haven’t hit rock bottom (yet).  By 2016 the “party of give me” will be given out.

Be wary of anyone trying to manipulate term limits.

When I went there were a lot of people, the book is selling like crazy!

Lets evaluate this shall we? If and its a big IF a few states got the votes to secede, would thier be a war? I don’t think there would on the count of one thing… The federal government is BROKE! How many millions of taxpayers would just stop paying the bills if only texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama, and georgia were to secede? The federal gov’t has to borrow a trillion dollars each year in relative peace time. Now imagine if they lost all those taxpayers and they had to finance a war… not in some backwater country like afghanistan, but in thier own backyard? Who would finance that war? And lets not forget the military’s decision in all of this. Who will they choose to protect? An administration that has slandered them, cut thier funding and tried to undermine the constitution that they’ve sworn to protect? Or will they choose the people who have supported them and respect the constitutional values? President Lincoln was in the right to preserve the union at the time, but these are far different times. This administration seeks to hand our sovereignty over to the U.N. Something I believe even Lincoln would advocate secession for.

 I don’t think so…

Exactly, as I stated in an earlier post this government cannot run without our consent, it must have tax money in order to implement actions.

I’m sorry, Michael.  I thought that was a point I made as well.  That was Franklin’s meaning with the quote I gave.  And if the Congress had been picked by King George, they wouldn’t have represented the colonies, it would have been the crown.  I don’t disagree with anything you have added.

It tells you that WE FIGHT him. I would rather die fighting for freedom than to live under a kenyan dictator

Tony, here is my fear.  The Emergency War Powers Act gives the President sweeping and broad powers.  Obama will be reelected in 2016 and 2020.  We are entering into an FDR scenario and new territory.  I know there is a law against a President serving more than two terms.  But, if we haven’t learned anything yet, the President doesn’t much care for laws anyway.

Actually- when I did sign my name for my state TEXAS- it says so in it’s own Declaration of Statehood- that we have the choice to become our own country if we choose to. This was one of the first lessons I was taught when I came here to live. It is an important fact to note-that Texas alone is the 15th largest economy in the WORLD and can survive what big government and wicked voters and people have chosen to destroy in this once great nation. What do we do… stand by and take what this administration is going to HAND OUT??, or rally together? I am for rallying together.  

I do not know which comment I made you are referring to, but I agree with you, of course we fight that POS.

What would happen if all 50 states did the same thing?  Also, why has everyone forgotten that Osama Bin Laden’s goal was exactly that?  He wanted our Union to be dissolved.   Why should  we ever allow him to win?  It seems to me that America needs to remember Galatians Chapter 5.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY STATES HAVE TO GET THE PERMISSION TO SECEDE FROM A COUNTRY THAT IS NO LONGER GOING TO HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.  ALL THE SECEDING STATES GET TOGETHER, FOR ONE SOLID GOVERNMENT FOR SUPERVISION UNTIL A CONSTITUTION, ETC. CAN BE FORMED.  THAT’S IT.  YOU KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO GIVE PERMISSION FOR STATES LIKE TEXAS WITH A BALANCED BUDGET AND THE 15TH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD AND OUR OIL AND GAS  TO SECEDE WITHOUT A FIGHT.  WE (TEXAS) DO NOT EVEN NEED TO GO BEFORE CONGRESS, WE JUST FORM THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS AGAIN AND WE ARE OUT.  WE RESERVED THAT RIGHT WHEN WE CAME INTO THE UNION.
THE DYING USA NEEDS THESE SECEDING STATES.  WE DO NOT NEED THE USA ANY MORE.  PLAY TAPS.

 please explain your thoughts

He can’t arrest us all! Besides, I found the link on the Blaze.

What aspect of what I said was untrue?  I went to the site to try to find what I got wrong, but I will not sign the petition because I do not agree that every possibility short of secession has been tried, and I don’t intend to set up a WhiteHouse.com account just to clarify the error.

I didn’t comment to be irritating, or to spread untruths.  So please, give me more details about where I have gone wrong.

Losing our constitutional principles to save the country is the same as losing the country.

Ok, believe that if you like.  I hope you are right.  There are Texans and there are Texans.  And, the people in Texas are similar to most others.  Do you really think a bunch of couch potatoes would stand a chance in the world against the most formatable miliatary in world history?  Really?  I will grant you that Texas has warriors but not that many.  If it hadn’t been for Sam Houston, Santa Ana would have over run early Texas and those at the Alamo would have died for nothing.

I agree, that would be like the Jews asking Hitler if they can go home and be left alone to be free.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions is the website where all the petitions are listed.  You’ll have to scroll through them to find your state.

Again, I wouldn’t.  But you are free to make your own choice.

Kim I’m from Ohio too and the slick rigged voting machines did the dirty work. Remember last year they said that George Soros owned the vote counting machines. I saw what was happening in our state. o(little ‘o’)bama never won Ohio

The end game, is, a “Global Community”, that’s the language we hear from the UN, even from the lips of President Obama, and many before him. There IS, going to be, a “One World Order”, its coming, America being the only hold out, until now, and no one is going to stop it, Biblically speaking…..Period !!

 So you signed a petition to withdraw from the United States of America and feel that is somehow being a patriot showing others that you are a true American? Not sure of that logic, but it seems to be one that many have. Not trying to offend you at all, but trying to put it into perspective.

Having to have a gobment account to sign a petetion is, well another reason to dismantle this.

Glenn does however bring up a valid point as well though. The states need to get thier gold back now. As for food… Texas practically corners the beef market and a few other states can grow plenty of crops.

How in the ##*%^&^#$* does George Soros (who should not even still be breathing) end up owning voting machines to begin with????? That is disgusting. Good GAWD!

Fear doesn’t come from God, it comes from  ’evil’. I am not fraid. God is in control.

 You are proving my point of Conservatives refusing to give up anything, especially entertainment, but complain when the liberals are taking over. Inspired by V….when did that movie come out? You realize how many people have been indoctrined into liberalism since then? 
V was a movie, nothing more. Inspiration comes from seeing true people do real things.
You can watch all the good movies you want. Park your kids in front of the television all day and night. But remember, you are paying for Obama and his cronies to be in office, just follow the money line. Those are facts. When Conservatives get serious, they will stop signing petitions, look at the facts, and try to make a real change.

Good answer

Check out this one I found: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

Yes these are far different times. We also have more enemies now than we did during the Civil War and even during the Revolutionary War. Even if these states do secede there still won’t be enough tax payer money to finance a war if a enemy country decides to take advantage of the situation. Our military will also be split thus a draft will have to be put into a effect in order to protect ourselves with limited resources. Even if a enemy country doesn’t take advantage  who says Obama wouldn’t put tariffs on the newly formed country(ies) that would make it extremely difficult for them to prosper? I’m not trying to be a fear monger, but people need to take into account the negatives along with the positives. With the sorry state we are in, in my opinion, we cannot afford to divide ourselves. 

The vote wasn’t the ‘voice’ the voting machines were the voice of George Soros.   remember he owns the counting machines and if you think the rigging was impossible remember this
anything man can make…..man can break.

Not all entertainers, nor movies/music are liberal. I agree with you about having the kids parked in front of the TV all day is not good, however more likely on the computer now.

Donna, it’s pretty easy to explain if you understand evil and a little history.  That would be the background.  Understand that we are on the verge, we are teetering on the cliff of the worst financial meltdown in world history.  Details at Barhardt.biz.  It’s much worse than I even thought.  This “cliff” everyone is talking about is smoke and mirrors compared to what is coming.  This is not U.S. meltdown, it is global and it is civilization ending.  There will be a few to pick up the pieces – those that were prepared.  Quite frankly I don’t think we have till 2016 anyway.  Under the EMWPA all we need is a crisis and, as you know, this crowd loves a crisis.  All laws can be voided.  All currency (what ever that may be) and precious metals can be confiscated.  Obviously, all fire arms will be confiscated.  All business can move the the Federal Government.  Voting can be suspended.  Martial Law executed.  BTW, I think we have been in a soft martial law for the last four years anyway, especially the poor, under privilidged and dependent in the cities.  Use your imagination and then compare that with what these guys are capable of.  And you will then see things done you could never have possibly thought possible. This is Fascism with a smiley face.

Not all entertainers, nor movies/music are liberal. I agree with you about having the kids parked in front of the TV all day is not good, however more likely on the computer now

Thats another problem for putting a bunch of religious thugs in the White House now there in charge of all our highly sophisticated weapons that they are supposed to use on our enemies and now don’t think for a min. that this group wont  use them on us, and they will use any means possible to stay there,  Look at all the underhanded tricks they used to win the election,  no nobody will look because there afraid to  , This bunch will use blackmail,  deceit and  bodily harm to anyone who didn’t vote for them The welfare system won this frauds presidency not an honest election. And they had to take it into Mexico to do it   

OBAMA DYNASTY AT END OF THE ROAD.

They are just trying to get to the front of the line!

 It is about 90% liberal among the Hollywood crowd. Not just saying that for emphasis, it is just true. Be careful of who you are supporting is my meaning. If Hollywood is the biggest supporter of the Democrats, then we should take a long look at who we are supporting in Hollywood. Our money is being used against us.

LOL  and hes still a gold shill……

I fear that some of the powers that be have no problem with a weaker United States. 

I get you, there are a lot more conservatives in Hollywood then realized, they are just quite about it. 

So you’re saying bacon is a mouthful, or Bacon’s word’s are a mouthful? Do you see what I did there?

You are absolutly right.  No one need ask the Feds if they can suceed.  They just can.  If Texas wants to go, it can and will likely take other states as well.  I would suggest a vote of the people of the state.  They should all know, then, that they lose everything federal.  Welfare, Health Care, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and Lord only knows what else.  And they should all know that such a declaration means war.  And, I don’t even believe that Texas ever “signed away” that it was a republic.  As I recall, the could return any time.  That was the agreement.  Of course, you’re a Texan, I’m not.  You probably know a lot more than me.  You might find that many of us in the midwest consider ourselves sons of the Alamo, as well.

That is in my belief so that our country can be invaded and converted to an Islamic communist country.

Funny thing is, I just read about a counter movement to strip citizneship from and deport anyone who signs it. Apparenty, doing soemthing that is allowed should get you kicked out of the country while partaking in a fleony and entering illegally gets you citizenship…

That is what you call a country being invaded.

Glenn, your the one telling people to stand up, for crying out loud, now it’s time to stand up for what seems the best way to oppose this illegal, fraudulent election and you’re turning tail and running? Give me liberty or give me death..seems like I heard that somewhere once before, I will not stand for this abuse of power and no accountability. We took our fight to the polls only to find them rigged, you think there is another way then great, let’s hear it.

You disappoint me Mr. Beck.  You talk about fixing this country and returning our freedoms, but when people decide to take drastic measures to do such an act, to get away from a president you yourself do not approve, you scoff at them. Call them stupid. No one ever changed the world by playing it safe.

Honestly, it’s a statement.  I signed the petition.  I’d sign it again.  The hope is to get Obama’s attention so he has to address the financial stability of the US and maybe try to lead and draw people together.  I do not believe it’s a ‘REAL’ fight for secession.  Neither does anyone with half a brain.  

Sean, it is not the question if I have left my country, but moreso that my govt has left my country . . trust me, anyone whoever has subcribed to Glen’s website or any other website deemed critical of the govt are also tagged as presumed terrorists, which is practically half the nation . . that’s why it really makes no difference if I sign up to this petition to secede as a Proud and Honored citizen to the Lone Star state of Texas . .  My loyalty will always be to our country . . God Bless the United States For All The Good Things She Stands For . . . .  

Secession isn’t a fantasy. It’s a reality and we’re all-in~!

The issue of secession was not settled during the “Civil” war.  What was settled during that war was that might makes right.  Secession was legal and constitutional in 1861, and it is still legal and constitutional today.

Ifanbody here, does nOT think that OBAMINATION Already has your name on a list, your whistling Dixie while walking past the graveyard, How about any groups you belong to like the NRA, CCA, or any blog posting website. You think that stuff is “private?” How about all the ATF forms you filled out when you bought a firearm? You thing the FEDs can’t get hold of those lists?

The Liberty Tree doesn’t need to be watered. It needs to be pruned! Get the Damocrats out of U S.

Well I signed it am not ashamed or worried. First off I do not recognize Obamas authority in stripping my citizenship. We need to stand for what is right regardless of the consequences period. Part of the problem we have these days is that people are so afraid to stand up and even say anything…we do still retain the right to free speech guaranteed to us in our Constitution correct? Stay silent in chains or speak out, two choices.

Who’s wants to volunteer their blood, that’s what separates the contenders from the pretenders.

A patriot doesn’t do what is easy. They do what is necessary. And the civil war did not decide the issue of secession. It decided the issue of balance of power and slavery through force of arms. Had South Caroline never fired on Ft. Sumpter the general feeling in congress was to let the southern states go. Which Lincoln was total against but if he couldn’t get the remaining congress to back him there was little he could do. But once the shots were fired then it was seen as an act of war by the south on the north. 

I’m not overly worried about my name being on a website asking that certain states be allowed to secede. How much different is it from having your voice broadcast around the world saying how bad the president is, showing links to conspiracy theories, and writing books about UN agendas?

I signed it not because I think everything that has happened is point to Revelation being fulfilled (I read that way different anyways), not because I don’t like blacks/Hispanics/gays/fill in anything people want to say, not because I think the vote was rigged and there’s a massive conspiracy to take over America.

I signed because this is not America any more. Is this really a representative government? Did we get to vote on health care? Do we get to decide on Americas oil production? Is the President supposed to have the power to go to war with other countries, sidestepping congress? Do the people get to determine what the people get to do? Do the states still maintain the power they should?

Our Federal Gov is too big. Glen and anyone else with sense has said that for years. They have too much power. Congress has entrenched itself with powers they should not have, benefits they don’t deserve. They are the aristocrats, the ruling elite we kicked to the curb at our founding. They line their pockets with lobbyist money and money from tax payers.

This is not the same as the secession that led to the civil war. We do not hold on to a moral depravity that enslaves others. What we want is a real, healthy, restrained government. I think many of us would be ok with gay marriage, along as you kept the Gov from requiring religious institutions to ok it. We would work on fixing the immigration issue, not by giving amnesty to one group while millions of others work hard and pay dues to be legal, but by stream lining the process and fixing the tax problems associated with it. Taxes is another big issue many of us are tired of. We are over taxed, because our fed has overreached.

Is there really a way out of our current fed gov being to big? We would have to replace a majority of the house and senate with people who really understand and will not cave to pressure from the machine or lobbyists or other outsiders. They would have to be able to wade through decades of bill’s, decipher them, and be willing to cut them. They would need to implement laws restricting their terms, their pay, their benefits so that they and those after them would be there for “We, the people”. And we would need a commander in chief to sign off things pertaining to his branch.

More than all of that, we would need a populace that would vote for people who would cut the entitlements they enjoy so much. Given much of what I have seen in life, people will still vote for a failing system if that failing system promises them something for “free”. They will vote for their guy even if he has no success to his name.

All that to say: I am all for people signing these. I don’t think secession will happen, but voices need to be heard.

the quote is: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson 

Mike, many of the signers were fugitives for years to come and many lost their lives as paulpers . . it is an amazing story of courage and fortitude for what they sacrifised to form our Republic . . 

Howdy.
Gleen needs to UNDERSTAND that NO matter what  is WRITTEN on a piece of paper when a government becomes a TYRANNICAL AGENT TO SUPPRESS THE PEOPLE  AND THEIR FREEDOMS then  government either pulls back and allow the LAW to work, or the PEOPLE WILL DO IT FOR THEM.
Semper Fi.
Jim.
 

   Glen, I almost always agree with you. But on this matter, not so much.
   I guess George Washington and the founding fathers were also not smart, when they tried to secede from Britain for basically the same reaon. Taxation without representation. 
   So what will the Obama regime do? Round us up and put us in camps or kill us?
   Should we to wait until the economy collapses. It will be too late. 
   This is our last chance. Liberalism is entrenched and in control.  The next election will have many more people on the government dole and many, many more illegals voting.They will still vote benefits for themselves.
   And all of our problems will still be George Bush’s fault.
   I signed the petition too and I’m trying to get as many of my aquaintances to do so also.
   The other option: Buy farmland and learned to live of the grid.
   I have a patent pending on a Combined Heat and Power Solar Photovoltaic collector. A new approach to the collection and utilization, only recently proven by Zenith Solar in Israel. Their Z20 collector converts 32% of available solar energy to electicity and collects about 40% of available solar enrgy to heat water. They have proven the attainable efficiencies. No other collector on the market comes close to this, now proven, efficiency.
   My collector, the Bradford Collector, is specifically designed for OffGrid or MicroGrid applications. It will provide all of the energy requirements for an Offgrid home or community. No desire or need to feed into the Grid.
   My patent was only published a few months ago. I am in the process of building the prototype and will be completed very soon. I hope in time.
   Since I now consider that the democratic experiment has failed, a United States Patentwill be worthless.
   I am now disclosing all.
   My calling is to help my fellow Christians, get off of the Grid. Got Farmland? Want energy self-sufficiency and secutity when the Grid goes down. Let me help. Contact me at bradfordjsnipes@gmai.com

of the states that have more than one petition in there name, combined total, Georgia 36,046; Utah 8,364; Ohio 11,174; Penn 13,647; Oklahoma 18,998; N. Y. 17,532; So. Carolina 29,375; Missouri 25,166; . Now I’m not saying how accurate any of these numbers are cause I have no way of knowing about how many of the signatures are duplicates, or even real people. The total number of States with Petitions as of 7:30ish pm is 41 states, that is not counting each petition but each state tha has one. While these numbers are very suspicious there were some other disturbing petitions one Calling for the deportation of any one who signed a pet for their state to secede with 7,658 signatures and a similiar one with 4,464 signatures. People need to understand that this if it ever became a war wouldn’t be fought on the borders of east/west or even North/South, but nieghbor against neighbor, brother vs brother ect and right in our homes there won’t be any far away Battlefields it will be everywhere. Texas was at 83, 658 and there are 5 other states who either have or are close to having the 25,00 signatures necessary for the presidents attention

Texas os over 80,000 now. Wow.

Glenn, this time you are WRONG.  There are now 40 States of 50 States who have initiated Petitions to Secede.

this is my post as well forgot to sign in in before selecting to post

I’m not an American. Can I say something from the outside? I’m sorry what is happening, my opinion: Many countries look to America as an example to follow, others watch with envy and desire their destruction, cease to exist: who would rule the world? The division will be a boon to those who want to see you down. “I know the monster because I  lived in it’s womb,” said Jose Marti fight without causing division, Division is the perfect weapon to the enemies of freedom.

Well, before we get too angry with one another on issues, or even with Beck, let us remember that our founding fathers did not all agree on the way to go about becoming a nation, and that our Constitution, the greatest peice of work for anyone loving freedom, was not the first try and not the first draft.
However, let us come together in understanding and agreeing, there is a major issue and major wrongs being pushed on the good people of this, our United States of America. I to believe there was major fraud in our elections, not just this one. Liberals vote early and often, and while that is “funny”, it rings true. Time to cut them off from the Americans that they depend on to support them. I do not have all of the answers, but I do not think secession is the best one, though the petition, even I cannot deny, was a good ploy to get people to talking.
True solutions are what we need. More than half of Americans are not Obama supporters. So why is he our president? Do we really believe that he won every contested state, no fraud involved? Really?
Push has come to shove. You signed a petition, okay. Now what are you going to do? If the answer is nothing, then you get what you put in. Get what you paid for.

     If anything the fact that 30 of the 50 United States are standing up against this government should show everyone in Washington that WE THE PEOPLE are NOT HAPPY with the way things have been going NOR do we plan on sitting around and let the folks in Washington just play away the seriousness of the actions of the man who is supposed to be the “Commander-in-Chief.”  With all the ‘new’ trash talk coming out this week about the affairs of certain Generals, all I see is a big pig trying to waller around in the mud hard enough so that the REAL ISSUES are all covered in muck until one one “sees” them anymore!
     It is time that WE THE PEOPLE make our feelings known!  We either see legislators IMPEACH Obama for his role in Benghazi and then ARREST him for TREASON or we go our separate ways and regroup and set things up the way it was intended to be by our FOUNDING FATHERS!!!

It’s 49 states now!

lol, who’s holding out? Hawaii? Illonois? Maybe they’ll call it the united state of america.

So, what now … if your name is on the list it means you’ll be punished by this government? Is that so? We have no more privacy … once you send your comments it’s already encrypted in the system. Are you saying that I cannot post my comments on the blog? This is serious business.

I expect war is coming. When the blue states find out their jobs are gone and Obama care isn’t what was promised and they are unemployed and hungry because the red states won’t take care of them anymore they will start it. It will be a red state vs blue state war with a few fence sitters like Colorado and New Mexico having to decide if they want to be surrounded by a foreign country. If food and energy are weapons in a war guess who has the most arms.
   There is a more peaceful alternative if the states will stand up to the federal government and hold them to the constitution. Maybe these petitions should be directed at state governors as well.
   History is full of country’s borders changing because of changing ideologies. It almost always happens with blood shed. Is it too late to avoid that?
   I used to wonder how Hitler could control the whole population like he did. Now we know. If there is any good news it is that despite all the misery and blood shed Hitler did not last long.

Do you have a link available? Thanks.

Garnering over 25,000 signatures is not even close to being enough to secede from the union. This whole article is embarrassing.

 not really, a precedent has sort of been set as to how we deal with secession.

I find it ironic that Glenn Beck is warning us not to draw the attention of a dangerous government. I trust Glenn’s judgement but does he not realize that most of us are already on a list somewhere as part of the tea party, the 9/12 project, freedomworks etc?

Absolutely. whitehouse.gov You can sign ALL of the States Petitions to Secede…does NOT matter what State you reside in. Kitty

You know I hear from the left on how if Odumbo did not win they would all leave the country, interesting….

Actually I was looking for a link on where it indicates which states are on the list that have requested the seceding. Thanks again.

I have no problem signing it. Do I think it will do any good or that states will secede? Not really. It would be a logistical nightmare, and the entire state and its government would have to be on board. This is more a petition to speak a message and have a formal answer from the White House. We hired our government. We have the right to tell them we don’t think they’re doing a good job. Does it scare me to sign it? No. I have that right under our Constitution that if a government stops representing me, I (the state) have the right to form a new government. So, no I’m not scared. That’s the problem now! And particularly with the Republicans – fear. Fear of actually standing up for what’s right and refusing to molly-coddle the population. Not enough patriotic courage and standing up for principles – which, incidentally, is what these petitions are. They may not go anywhere, but they send my message and fellow patriots’ messages. I believe the petitions are actually serving a deeper purpose. Waking people up. Getting them to think about pride in their country. Letting some know it’s okay to speak up and embrace patriotism, love of country, and desire to protect it from where many see it going so rapidly. It also gets the gears turning. Our country has become too divided to get anything done. Washington is broken. It’s only going to get worse. Secession is not the solution, but in thinking about options to fix our government, it is likely to churn out some good thoughts and possible solutions as to how best to govern this divided country. In the meantime, I can enjoy the fantasy of what would happen if it were really red and blue states, and which states would be knocking on whose door for help!

I know and feel your pain, but who’s to say that the new federation won’t outshine the old one? I don’t know where your from sir, but I ask you to look at this possibility… Imagine the united states, not as a country like it is now, but as a federation of countries that any nation in the world could join. This is the way I believe our founders envisioned. “Novus Ordo Seclorum” A new order for the ages. All they have to do is acknowlege the constitution as the supreme law of the land, and they can enjoy the freedoms that americans have taken for granted. I ask you sir, to look at the possibilities.

So much for winning the election. If Obama won the hearts of the people they would not want to secede.

I heard today that there is a petition to have people that sucede be deported. That’s interesting considering we welcome illegals with open arms and give them food, education, in-state tuition, free health care, etc…

I say bring it on!  Are we not Americans!!?? Who are we to KNOWINGLY LET A DICTATOR come in and illegally get re-elected??  We just celebrated Veterans Day…what the hell are we celebrating here..????  My ancestors died for this country and so did yours more than likely.  Let the damn petition go through…let them take away our citizenship.  Our America is slipping away anyway if the people with a BACKBONE AND LOVE FOR THEIR FREEDOM IS NOT FOUGHT FOR.  It PISSES ME OFF to know that the people that did not vote for Obama and KNOW HE WAS ELECTED UNDERHANDEDLY just sits there and says.  Well….it was close so I guess I’ll just have to accept it.  BULLCRAP!  Stand up people and let it be heard….LOUD AND CLEAR.   THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO JUST SIT AND BE QUIET!!!!

Whitehouse.gov has each individual State’s Petition. I’ve voted to help make these Petitions viable (reach their 25,000 signature mandate within 30 days). Here is a list of the individual States as of 4 p.m. MST, 11/13/2012: TX, LA, CA, OH, NY, DE, NV, PA, AZ, OK, AR, SC, GA, MO, TN, MI, CO, OR, NJ, WY, ND, MT, UT, IN, MS, KY, FL, NC, AL, SD, WV, NE, KS, NH, IL, ID, RI, VA, WI, and MN. 40 of 50 States. Kitty

Whitehouse.gov has each individual State’s Petition. I’ve voted to help make these Petitions viable (reach their 25,000 signature mandate within 30 days). Here is a list of the individual States as of 4 p.m. MST, 11/13/2012: TX, LA, CA, OH, NY, DE, NV, PA, AZ, OK, AR, SC, GA, MO, TN, MI, CO, OR, NJ, WY, ND, MT, UT, IN, MS, KY, FL, NC, AL, SD, WV, NE, KS, NH, IL, ID, RI, VA, WI, and MN. 40 of 50 States. Kitty

Thanks for taking the time Kitty!!

Thanks for taking the time Kitty!!

If they did strip us of our citizenship who would be left to tax… illegals,welfare recipients,abortionist  ? Where would the future generations come from if you are killing unborn babies and same sex marriage is the law of the land ?

If they did strip us of our citizenship who would be left to tax… illegals,welfare recipients,abortionist  ? Where would the future generations come from if you are killing unborn babies and same sex marriage is the law of the land ?

I GUESS MR BECK IS NOT AS TOUGH AS I THOUGHT.  

I GUESS MR BECK IS NOT AS TOUGH AS I THOUGHT.  

hilarious observation. um no. what he said was poignant, I thought. you may disagree. ‘you may be right. I may be crazy’. ~Joel, William

How was he illegally elected?

dunno. just hope we don’t (really) see some violent unravelling of our country. venting is one thing, going 1776 is another level altogether.

 How can you “deport” someone who was born here? Where would they send them?

He has a point. Picture a map sent to Israel from Iran, with directions to their nuclear arsenal. Just not a smart thing to do; it has nothing to do with being tough. It may actually come to civil war if things continue. People will not go easily, like those in Europe in the 30′s.

How the hell can some people in America drop so low on the ‘stupid scale’.  God, you’re born in the best, or what was the best country on earth, and all you want to do is piss it away.  For god sake grow the hell up.  Put America back to the way it should be, and invite all those that HATE it to pack their bags and take their damn Obumholes with them.  And, another thing, America needs to grab some brains and some balls and do what Japan has done in relation to islam:

a) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.b) In Japan permanent residentship is not given to Muslims.c) There is strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan.d) In the University of Japan Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.e) One cannot import ‘Kuran’ published in Arabic language.f)
According to data published by Japanese government, it has given
citizenship to only 2 lakhs Muslims. These Muslims speak Japanese and
carry their religious ritual in the same.g) Japan is the only country in the world having negligible number of embassies of Islamic countries.h) Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.i) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.j) Even today Visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers send by foreign company.k) In majority of the companies, it is stated in their laws that no Muslims should apply for the job.l)
Japan government is of an opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist and
even in the era of globalization, they are not willing to change their
Muslim laws.m) Muslims can not even think about getting a rented house in Japan.n) If anyone comes to know that his neighbor is a Muslim then the whole colony stays alert.o) No one can start a Islamic or Arabic ‘Madarsa’ in Japan.p) There is no personal law in Japan.q) If Japanese women marry a Muslim then she is banned.r)
According to Mr. Komico Yagi (Head of Department, Tokyo University)
“There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is narrow minded religion
and one should stay away from it.”s) Freelance journalist
Mohammd Juber turned many Islamic countries after 9/11 incidence and at
that time he went even to Japan. He found out Japanese are confident
that extremist can do no harm in Japan. 

I volunteer. I will water the tree of liberty with my blood, just as our forefathers did so many years ago that we shall all live free from tyranny, oppression, and fear.

Robert Stanton
3782 Putnam Rd.
Muskegon, mi 49445

We’ve heard that before. They all said that when GW won both times…they are all liars.

We’ve all been griping for the past 4 yr and saying something needs to be done….Well, it looks like somebody is doing something and I’m glad to stand in this category. The more we let Obama get away with what ever he wants the more power we give him.  It’s time to STOP HIM!!  What we need is some good attorney’s on our side that would like to make a good name for themselves. Good advertising for you attorney’s…what do you say??

Well, there are 57 states after all!

I’ll sign the petition using the name of one of this year’s dead Obama voters.

 lol

His organization, along with those Democratic Party faithfuls stole votes from Romney and gave them to Obama.  If you don’t believe this, get your head out of your bottom oriface and read the articles written about these illegal voting happenings.

Kitty, think for a moment…how ludicrous is it if it comes down to all 50 states wanting to secede? Will Obama bend down and kiss his asp goodby? How will that work?

Those who are so worked up about this are acting as if this petition was something that might actually make a difference.  This is as far away from the Founding Fathers as it’s possible to be – for lots of reasons.  For instance, they were officials, selected by their colonies to represent them – nobody knows who the people signing the petition are (you don’t even need to leave your name).  Another – they risked their “lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor” in a bold move to beard the king in his den – people signing the petition are into symbolism rather than reality.

If you want to make a statement and make a difference, write a blog and post it, signed, making a case for what you believe in.  Get involved in the re-animation of the Tea Party.  Go to Town Hall meetings and tell your congress-critters what you really think.  Do stuff that’s visible, that really has teeth, that really matters.

This petition is a joke.  A symbolic act of defiance that costs nothing, demands nothing, delivers nothing.  Go read the Thomas Paine pamphlet about Sunshine Soldiers – he talks about things being bought too cheaply having no value.  That’s the petition.  In and out in five seconds, not even required to give your name.  Yeah, that’s the stuff of bold patriots.

Give me a break …

Ned Barnett
Editor, Conservative-USA.com, Conservative-Nevada.com
Communications Director, Clark County (Las Vegas) Republican Party, 2009-2010
Communications Director, Nevada Republican Party, 2009-2010

Jefferson I think – US Revolutionary War

Glen, Sorry but you missed the point and sound like you’re running scared. Why not sign the petitions. If you remember, this regime announced several years ago that they considered anyone that fell into one of these categories to be potential terrorists—conservative, Republican, gun owners, stockpiling food supplies, former military. Now Glen, did you want to tell us you’re not already on a govt. watch list. Simple fact is anyone that stands for freedom is a threat to this dictator. We might as well be out in the open about it because believe me—they are already tracking us instead of Muslim terrorists.

You will be audited for the rest of your life once Barry and Company gets a hold of your name.

We now live in a country where our elections are rigged by the very party of which our esteemed president belongs. We all voted thinking they would be counted honestly and you think this president will take these petitions seriously? They have just set up a U S General, covered up the murders of four Americans in the Middle East and you think you can trust this person to follow the Constitution.
Holy cow, It’s more serious than I first suspected; Short of civil war, Nothing will get done. Please don’t hold your breath.

 There’s no amount of signatures they need to secede from the United States like that. They need 25,000 signatures for the White House to review the petition and issue it a response. Not all thirty petitions have reached that many. Some are at 14,000, some are at 24,000. Only a handful (including Texas) have actually garnered enough signatures for the White House to bother reviewing it. They don’t respond to EVERY petition, just ones with notable amounts of signatures.

And of course, they’ll say ‘no’.

Hawaii was recognized as a defacto “State” in 1993 with the signing of the Apology Bill, Public Law 103-150, by Congress and President Clinton. We are therefore pursuing Independent Nation status and not secession. Nevertheless, until that happens, we are still under the defacto governmental oversight of the U.S.A. We are not, and never have been “American” geographically, nor are we or have we ever been or ever could be  a “Native American” Tribe. This is what the political controllers are trying to do right now with the unlawful Akaka Bill which is before Congress to subjugate Hawaiians. We have always had NATIONAL STATUS and KINGDOM recognition. To force us to become a tribe is criminal and against all international law. One of the Constitutional duties of Congress (Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 10) is to punish piracy and offenses against the “LAW OF NATIONS”. The “LAW OF NATIONS” is a book written by Emmertich De Vattel in the 1700s. I am willing to bet that almost zero people have heard of, much less read, this book. (Also Samuel Pufendorf, Hugo Grotius, and Montesque were instrumental authors) Yet, it is the basis upon which much of our Constitutional and international laws are based today. This book explains the process of secession, forming of Governments, and many other basics of civil government. It also tells us how our rights are a product of fulfilling our obligations to others. When we fulfill our obligations to fight for the life, liberty, and happiness of others, then we guarantee those rights for them. Check it out if you can even find it. It’s an amazing book and Congress is supposed to be bound to its principles by the Constitution. Isn’t it amazing that no one ever mentions it, EVER? Check it out.

So…according to Glenn, we should NOT voice our opinions because of some supposed fear that the White House (Obama) will retaliate?  Are we Nazi Germany yet?  I frankly don’t care if Obama and his goons know I am not pleased with his governance.  I spent too many years in the Marine Corps to let these lefties give me a scare, but they do have me concerned.  I coul dhave simply killed them in battle, but now I must deal with them in a more civil manner…perhaps a civil war, or something like that!?  I have a few more unpleasant things to say to Obama if he really wants to know what else I think and feel, but quite frankly, I don’t think he really cares what I, nor anyone else on the right thinks.  We have all lost our voice in government anyway, so why not go out with a bang?  50% of our country have decided the other 49.9% will  do as they say, and that is from purely snycophantic liberal suck ups, who only look to electing folks that will GIVE them something for simply sucking up air, and they are making sure the rest of us NEVER have anything to say about it ever again.  Liberty is dead, or at least it is in its death throes, the final kick and aidios, amigos, we are now being led by a dictator, and all of this from a slight majority that has decided we must endure the unimaginable in America.  We’ve lost our way.

Too bad it isn’t all 57 states petitioning.

God bless Glen Beck, but either you are in denial or yourjust plain lost? In 2016 what will America look like ? Either you’relost or just plain confused or just plain lost? I have been with you since 2007“ when you came to fox “ I’ve watched every episode, read the books, saw the movie,and it’s over!
 
Our founding for Fathers were the one per centers.  They stood up and said “ enough is enough” .THEY FOUGHT AND THEY WON! Today it’s a lot like Russia: The county is for sale tothe highest bidder and nobody seems to care. They figured out how to beat us onthe field of ideas “ law” but they can never beet us on a field of battle! On

In my case, it’s kind of hard to audit NOTHING!  Good luck with that Barry!

What Glen was saying is “are you ready”?  Most people don’t have enough food, water, ammo, guns, fuel etc to live independantly from the government. The time is now to prepare for the revolution. Get ready-it’s coming. Don’t go off half cocked and fail.  Prepare and win!!!!

I cannot answer that question. I know a couple of things for sure: 1) Texas is the ONLY State in the Union that is a “Republic” and, as such, is the ONLY State which can legally secede from the United States. 2) If 49 of 50 States (there’s no chance Washington D.C will petition to secede) each obtain their required 25,000 signatures, it will be a CLEAR SIGN to Obama that this movement is only a beginning, not an end to States wishing sovereignty apart from his tyranny. To me, it is a question of trying to raise red flags about Obama’s Socialist agenda versus burying our heads in the sand and figuring “they” won’t see us. “The taxpayer who voted for Obama is like the chicken who voted for Colonel Sanders.”. If the Obama voters and non-voters were the only people who Obama wishes to destroy, we Romney-Ryan voters could just laugh and point. But they aren’t. Obama is out to destroy the United States of America totally. Kitty

Since the southern states take significantly more from the federal gov’t than they pay, it would be awesome for the Union if they reformed the Confederacy. Would definately be a more perfectly union, So let them take their share of the nation debt and good riddance.

When I was reading this really good reply of yours to the news Glenn, I kept having the theme of FireFly running in my head:  I’m still free, they can’t take the sky from me”. 

Ok, I’m tired, that’s as intellectual as it gets right now.  Still profound, huh?

So someone wants Obama to strip me of my citizenship? Not gonna happen! This president has FAILED to uphold the oath he took when he  was sworn in to the offfice of President of the United States of America! This man should be impeached (should have been a LONG time ago!)! He is a disgrace to this Country! If anyone should have their citizenship revoked it should be him (oh…my bad….he’s NOT a citizen now is he? NOBODY has proven otherwise!!!)

The Constitution of The United States

ARTICLE II

Section 1

[8] Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the
following Oath or Affirmation: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I
will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will
to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the
United States.”

The duty of a President to “preserve, protect, and
defend the Constitution” to the best of his ability includes the duty not
to abuse his powers or transgress their limits — not to violate the rights of
citizens, such as those guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and not to act in
derogation of powers vested elsewhere by the Constitution

*Derogation –To disparage or belittle

*Disparage – Speak contemptuously of: belittle; to damage
the reputation of

I don’t see if it makes any difference if you signed a petition or not.  If the gov’t wanted to, they can look up who voted for whom, and if they want retribution, they could stick it to anyone who didn’t vote Obama.

Well said… 

-

 You obviously don’t know many Southerners, Sir or Ma’am.

LOL…ALL 50 STATES ARE SECEDING FROM THE UNION!! No, this dont make us look rediculous in the eyes of the world…not at all!
At least O has his 7 states still supporting him. Uh oh, wait, this just in….make that 6 states supporting him.
WAIT…how did that happen!!!???

Come on, Glenn… I’m surprised at you. Where would we be now if our Founding Fathers didn’t have the guts to to put their names on the Declaration of Independence. Many of them and their families were singled out, hunted down, tortured and killed; but, they were aware of, and willing to pay, the price. I’m sure they believed the end was bigger than themselves. Surely, the signers of these petitions do not await the same fate.

Obama did say his civilian army could and would be better equipped then our military

When the system collpases under unsustaiable debt and deficits, we will be in the middle of a civil war anyway. It’s really too bad that most people listen to the media and the establishment who say the Libertarian Party is kooky and fringe. If being for MAXIMUM FREEDOM and small government is kooky and fringe, then sign me up. All that personal responsibility I hear you guys talking about can be achieved through voting Libertarian.  

The problem is a simple one, most people (regardless of right or left) have been letting the media and establishment dictate to them what they should do: what is correct or incorrect: what is right and wrong. There is only one right answer, FREEDOM. Just follow the Constitution, to the letter.

I noticed that John Boner has thrown in the towel and now says that Obamaocare is the law of the land. He has stopped fighting. Those Republicans in the House should be holding the line, instead their leader has given up. The Republicans have failed Conservatives and this is just one more example of that. When are Conservatives going to realize that and adjust accordingly? There doesn’t seem to be a lot hope of that happening, after the last two elections.

To all you out there, SIGN, SIGN, SIGN. This just shows you how bad things really are when people are afraid to sign their names to a protest of the government.  We are in trouble people and now is not the time to hide and hope it all goes away.  

Bring em on!! 

where do i sign

LMAO

Nobody really wants to be a Martyr, because they usually die in conflict.  But, it is usually their deaths that spark others to join in and fight the necessary fight.  It is when we question why someone would sacrifice their life for a cause, and we realize that the cause is worth the sacrifice that we finally change inside (and startup where they left off).

I don’t want to die, but I would rather die fighting for freedom than to die doing nothing… because when it comes down to it we can either learn from the Tyranny of Nazi Germany and Stop It, or become slaves to Obummer’s people!  (Maybe even euthanized because I now have a severely bad back and no longer capable of physically productive life, even though my mind works and I use it to be productive in other ways.)

 This idea of secession right now is being driven, primarily, by sour grapes. Look, I understand the disappointment in losing in an election, but they are indeed elected. I remember the disappointment in finding that out when Kerry lost in 2004. Remember that the current government was elected. They were elected by members of your peers. Your coworkers, your neighbors, your friends (most of my friends, and coworkers anyway voted for Romney) The people you love probably voted for the president because votes are inherently private. In
the history of the Union, only nine incumbent presidents have lost.
Nine. Out of 31 elections where a sitting president has run for
reelection.Romney never had a strong position to tally enough votes to win over an incumbent president. History has shown that. To summerize: Grow up, and wait two years. You will have another chance to vote, and perhaps things will swing your way. Maybe not, and if it doesn’t at least you can live in knowing you’re provided such a system in where your vote was even counted at all. It did what it was designed to do. If you have any measure of pride in such a system than why distance yourselves further from it?

No body plagiarized….it was just repeated and passed along as it was meant to be. Thomans Jefferson is one of the Great Heros.

I didn’t purchase my weapons for nothing.

Born and raised in the south. I may have to move northward where folks don’t live in their self-made fears. Wanted to read what people are writing on Beck’s site. Sorry all the millionaires posting on this blog are going to have their taxes raised. I think we’ll all be alright, as long as some of the people blogging here are kept away from heavy weapons and the levers of power. After last week I feel safer. Peace, K

It’s easier to sign up for a cabinet position than to secede from the union, all you need is to claim Marxist and anti American history in your background.

There were people that saw the colonies declaring themselves independent and said, “not smart.” 
Legally, the states seceding the first time was constitutional.  That’s
why they didn’t take the confederate states to court because they knew
they would lose the case.  I hope they let the states secede peacefully,
unlike last time.  There is a peace to be found only on the other side
of war.  If that war comes, I will fight it.

The exact quote is….. “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”   Thomas Jefferson.

So to speak, if a soldier follows orders that are against our constitution then aren’t they commiting a form of treason.  I remember when I joined in 87 that I took an Oath to Uphold the Constitution, I have been out since 95 but part of the reason I left was because I felt the Military was Not Following the directives of the Constitution and American Rights…

If they follow orders to Assault Americans without due process, then they are no less evil than the ones giving the orders.

I have to disagree with Beck on this one.. I think these petitions send a strong message to Washington DC. Every bit of it is covered under the first Amendment of the Constitution.. We can petition Congress for redress. It is a peaceful request. No where does it suggest or declare war.. It is a message. I do not mind putting my name on something I am passionate about. I would NEVER take up arms against any U.S. Solider..  

I’m Ready…

Just think if we were striped of citizenship how many more benefits we would have, and how much more we would make in government handouts.

I think I already made that clear….

Glenn even though I will not put my name on a petition that the White House will see,what kind of lifestyle are you talking about.Not all of us has your money.

There is a reason Obama bought all that extra ammunition!

Or better yet, Obama should simply grant their wish and accept their request to give up their U.S. Citizenship.I consider it our duty to support and abide by the US Const., period.ex animodavidfarrar

 Funny how they raise the number of signatures – are too many getting close so they don’t want to have to respond as they promised? Last I knew it was 5,000 now it’s 25,000. Recent check shows that

Louisiana has 31,534
Texas 88,624
Missouri 25,578
Florida 26,825
Alabama 24,729
Tennessee 24,200

Other states have far less. I bet their response is to poo-poo it like it’s nonsense.

Well I guess I’m one of those idiots. What are they going to do, kill me? Look, don’t be a tuck-tail stand up! The more we stand up the more they become afraid of us. Glenn, you do it every day, would you back down? Guess not? Hmmm, what, are you the only one who gets to stand up and use their voice? I think not!

I know a lot of US soldiers.   They feel the same way I do.  They all took the oath to uphold the constitution.   Officers take an oath as well.
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” 

They are on our side….

It’ll never happen.

We could be on the way to a real bloody civil war.  BUT – this will not even get more than a curled smile of satisfaction from Obama – his goal – the destruction of the United States – now it begins.

My real question:  will he have any qualms about getting onto Marine One or Air Force One?  Will he have to wear a bullet proof vest to go out in public?  He continues to disparage, betray, and insult the military – now with even the hint that John Kerry would be the Sec of Defense.  Will he rule from the White House – afraid to peek his lying nose out the door?

 dammit – learn to spell – the word is secede not “succeeded”

 I stand with all on this, the people were not heard the electoral college was heard. If the people were heard this discussion wouldn’t be happening.  Its not a color thing, its a problem with a leader that can’t even face his own flag with his hand over his heart. A man that denounces Christianity in our country. A man that doesn’t stand for his country but merely for himself as a form of symbolism to others.

I DON’T HAVE ANY GOLD . THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW I AM NOT GOING TO . SO REALLY ALL I HAVE IS ME AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN . WHICH IS GOD . AND THEY WANT TO TAKE HIM . WHY WOULDNT I AND PEOPLE LIKE ME FEEL THAT WE NO LONGER CAN BE PART OF THIS GOVERMENT. WE WANT FREEDOM THEY WILL TAKE IT . WE WANT GOD AND FAMILY THEY WILL DESTROY IT . ONLY HOPE LEFT WOULD BE TO BREAK AWAY. IMO. REPUBLICIANS ARE TO WEAK TO STOP THIS TAKE OVER . IMO AND I AM A REPUBLICIAN.

“Inshallah all enemies of Islam will break like the USSR, our prayers are enough to break them”. This is what Ayatollah of Iran ‘prophesied’ and the right wing morons are trying their best to fulfill this prophecy.

I too volunteer, I will give everything to defend my country. Be it my life, my liberty or anything else. I will not rest until I have done everything in my power to restore the United States of America.

Colton McPhail
57 Harbor view drive
Hancock, Me 04640

I am ready and it is long overdue.  Why do we sit and allow this person and his administration to chose losers and winners and to choose what laws he chooses to ignore and break.  I, too, would rather die than allow a corrupt bunch of followers of a known Nazi, George Soros, to continue to destroy the greatest country of all time.

 I thought back in the early dawning of slavery and such if you had 1/16th negro or black person in your blood you were considered negro or black. I may be mistaken and my history is a little rusty. If I am then I apologize before hand.  And I don’t think back in tose days they didn’t care what country they went by skin color.

In other words WE THE PEOPLE who fearlessly signed our names to a Petition that we believe for THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY is in fact an admission to the auatollah barack that we are against him and therefore he WILL GET HIS REVENGE?? Is this what you are telling me –  do you think that all the people that signed these petitions will be the first inmates of the FEMA CAMPS??????????????? Tell me do – I signed the one for my state because I believe we should not be intimidated by a corrupt big government.  The writer of this column — are you playing devil’s advocate??????

Apparently Glenn is too retarded to see a difference between the terms “peaceful” and “war”.

25,000 is NOT serious – perhaps if it was Rhode Island.  but most states have multi million populations  – 25,000 is not even one percent – folks – that isn’t serious

“Inshallah the enemies of Islam shall break like the USSR” – Ayatollah of Iran. 

Right wingers are apparently working overtime for the Ayatollah of Iran now. 

What are you even saying?

uh …  Glenn …. Here’s  a  NEWS   FLASH . The  reason  ROMNEY   LOST  is  because  there  has  already  been  a  huge  disruption  in  the  lifestyle  of  the  U.S….   People  in  his  pay  grade  haven’t  felt  it  yet . And  the  fact  that  he  has  disappeared  like  a  fart  in  a  wind  storm , tells  you  it’s  o.k.  with  him  that  voter  fraud   lost  him  the  election .  Us  PODUNKS  are  not  that  indifferent  to  has  happened . .38s  are $20.  at  Wal-Mart  and  they  don’t  kick  like  357s 

Amen Theresa Saguto and Amen.

There are not many states that could support their infrastructure without the federal governments help. This is a knee jerk reaction from people who are mad that the person they wanted for president didn’t win. In a democracy the people vote, and the majority wins. If you don’t like the result you work within the system to change it. You don’t pout and have a temper tantrum because you didn’t get your way. Our system may not be perfect, but it is the best in the world. Why do you suppose so many people want to come and live here? Because it is a lot worse elsewhere. As a veteran I swore to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States of America. These people are traitors to our country.

Im sure you have heard of the FEMA Camps so called debunked by Glenn Beck. I believe this is what will happen: FEMA will be used to round up “dissidents” against the Federal Union. It will be unpatriotic to want to secede from the Federal Union. Martial law will be declared  to prevent secession of states. Due to the secession of states, the voting system will be nor more. Thusly, no more elections. Obama takes up permanent residency in the White House. The Federal Union will be divided up into 10 regions. Each region responsible for keeping states within the Federal Union. Either militia groups, secession groups, or maybe even official state seccession efforts will be enforced by each state’s own military (privatization of military -MERCS) or armed militia/secession groups. Federal Union military may be made up of United Nation soldiers such as Russian Spetnaz or Chinese troops. Obama introduced the UN observers for last election as the first inroads of UN influence and usage in future of America. This is just my theory on how it will all go down. For the record, secession means division. United we must stand.

I’m pretty sure the reason for Colorado’s petition would be so that their new legalize marijuana law can become effective.  Since having marijuana is a federal offense, these idiots have to get around that some how.  Hence our governor’s response to the vote, “Don’t break our the Cheetos and Gold Fish just yet”. 

The  only  part  I  disagree  with  is  ” THE   BLOOD   OF   PATRIOTS.”  Our  Patriots  should  be  THROUGH   shedding  our  own  blood ….  If  freedoms  have  continued  to  be  lost  after  such  a  long  haul …  WE’VE   BEEN   NICE   ENOUGH … It’s  time  for  someone  else’s  blood  to  spill    

I do not advocate war — but I believe secession is possible without it.  What the states need to do NOW is to call an Article V Constitutional Convention.  http://foavc.org/

 seceded, not succeeded.  Completely different words with completely different meanings.

My initial reaction was, “I’m amazed!”, but I’m not. When I first signed the Texas Petition, the instruction quoted “25,000 signatures needed…”. When I signed, Texas only had 525 signatures. That seems ages ago, but it wasn’t. If you can help spread the word about ALL 40 States needing signatures and that people can sign ALL the Petitions to Secede REGARDLESS of what State they RESIDE in, we would have more opportunity to make national attention. So far, the MSM is “blacking-out” the story. And thanks for the update. I’ll check again later to see if anymore States have joined in. Kitty

SAMMY  !  I  may  have  missed  the  2008  message  of  Rev  Wright …And  the  threats  of  BLACK  P ANTHERS…  You  know …  The  part  that  implied  that  there  would  be  a  CHOICE . the  Counties  name  is  AMERICA ,  not  Essau… It  just  LOOKS  like  we  sold  our  birth  right  for  stew.  

I highly doubt that there will be any “patriotic blood” spilled, despite
the obvious eagerness to do so demonstrated with the comments on this
page. Best case scenario I envision for your case would be the granting
of a referendum, which only the most radical of anti-obama Americans
would go for, and the states would ultimately decide against.

And
if you did get your secession? Will you succeed your troops to the US
and build a new military? Will you expect trade agreements despite you
turning your back on your fellow Americans? I’m very interested in
knowing what you think will happen after you would be granted
independence (assuming there to be no blood shed).

He won by fraud!  They have areas with 100% results for Obama in Ohio and there were 141.1% in one area in Florida (Example: 100 people are registered to vote but results show 141 voted) this is how he got the votes in many states.  This is so easy to prove and he’d be held accountable for it but no one in willing to comfront him on anything.  Why?  
If he can get away with all this now then he’ll show us what he is capable of doing.
He knows we’re not going to do anything so I believe there won’t be no more elections. 
This was our best chance and now it is over. 
He’s going to destroy America and wants to be famous as “the one” that did it. 
Lord have mercy and deliver us from evil, please keep praying.  

I guess we should have encouraged the UN to oversea voting/counting – in Philly, Florida, Ohio, etc. And here the left was wagging their tongues about how the right was trying to suppress the vote, rig voting machines because Romney’s son supposedly invested in some type of voting machine that would be used in a certain area.

 I agree 100%.

I  just  want  to  stand  clean  before  my  maker.  If  he  says,  ” go  kick  some  ass “,  I  expect  him  to  ”HULK”  me  up  for  the  battle  first…  

Don’t be an asshole. I asked a simple question. Give me some links or shut the fuck up.

 If we did secede from the United States, our troops on the battlefield would immediately come home–we would offer to trade with what is left of the US, but will not be bs’d by them–I vote for impeachment first due to the murders in Benghazi, and if that doesn’t work, secession.  Our fellow Americans are the ones who elected the poser into office and as far as I am concerned, they can have him.  I also have a feeling that at the end of this term, there will be hell to pay getting him out of office.  I personally have been lied to enough by him and am willing to go through legal means to get him out–of course then we have to deal with Biden, but he can be up for impeachment also.

I think we should give impeachment a try—then if that fails secession

That is something else that I don’t understand–they keep trying to remodel us after Europe—didn’t we fight a war a few hundred years ago to go our separate way from Europe–aren’t we the ones that all of Europe calls on when they are in trouble—why should anyone  want to go back to their way of doing things(updated of course)?

The famous quote so misused and misunderstood by Tea Partiers was written in a letter by TJ in 1787 while he was in France. He was expressing his support of Shay’s Rebellion the previous year.

Shay’s Rebellion occurred in Massachusetts and was the culminating event that led our Forefathers to meet in Philadelphia to overturn the Articles of Confederation (when they had been instructed to only amend the A of C) and create our Constitution.

In the context that TJ used the quote, you must choose whether you would have supported Shay’s Rebellion– and thus TJ’s quote– or you would have supported the 1787 Constitution which created a stong federal government that was in part set up to stop such rebellions. You cannot support both.

You cannot use TJ’s quote to support rebellion against your federal government when the very cause of the quote (Shay’s Rebellion) was used to create our Constitution– which you say is holy and divinely inspired.

However I don’t believe that most Tea Partiers truly support our 1787 Constitution that opened the door to a strong, vigorous central government. Rather you are more like Patrick Henry who worked hard to defeat ratification of the Constitution. Even the Bill of Rights did not assuage him because he understood rightly– as history has shown– that the Necessary and Proper Clause would give the federal government the potential of unlimited power. 

Tea Partiers are indeed constitutional conservatives, but your constitution is the Articles of Confederation. 

Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Franklin, etc. were against Shay’s Rebellion. Even Sam Adams, the great revolutionary that Glenn Beck so idolizes, favored capital punishment against any of the Shay rebels. Why? Because in a republic, he reasoned, you have a voice, and if you rebel against a government that gives you a voice then you deserve death. “Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death.”

Sounds like Sam Adams would believe that all of you who would act on secession and taking up arms deserve death.

Sorry to inform you, but the largest of the world most advanced armaments are not in Hollywood, elite banks, and stuck up colleges…. they are in the largest strongholds of freedom the world has ever seen:  The armed citizens of the southern united states.

P.S.  The vast majority of the patriotic military are from the south and Midwest. And we don’t fight family.  Good luck

I like your style  lol!

If people are wanting to be here so much, why is Obama trying to take away our basic rights and why is he trying to turn us into Europe?

I definitely do not like that Obama won the election and even more so that he is still our President today, but I do not know if secession is the answer.  I think that we may be asking for major trouble here if we go down that road.  Are each state really going to protect themselves?  Also I do not believe that someone who is not even a resident of my state should have the ability to make a decision for my resident state.

 which walmart, ours doesn’t even carry handguns

I will fight…I would rather the other son of a bitch die for his cause though.

I think Glenn is a week kneed punk too…I am sick and tired of those talking heads spewing their  week agenda…Time to secede…the union is uselss when only the cities like you poinetd out GLENN runs the show. and for war I say lets rock…Glenn you are a PUSSY!!!

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”  – Benjamin Franklin

“I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country.”  – Nathan Hale

I am ALL FOR the
Secession Movement!!! All those requesting secession will immediately have
their right to any government sponsored socialistic programs revoked, and gone
will be their Social Security benefits, their Medicare, their Medicaid, their
Food Stamps, their WIC, their FEMA. LOL!! More money will be available for
those that believe healthcare is a fundamental human right and we’ll have more
money to help balance the budget, since the Red States are the ones who suck
from the Proverbial Socialistic Programs to begin with!! Let’s see how that
will work, the people who dip from the government welfare programs will be
forced to either pay higher taxes, go without, or, heaven forbid, have to
work!! I can’t stop laughing at this one!!!!!!! If only those wanting this were
educated!!

hahaha  Glenn a Pussy — that is very very funny.  I believe Glenn has been on the front lines!  However, reading your posts I think I agree about signing the petition for the great state of Florida.  Long live the Republic!!!  Terrie

The issue of secession was never settled by the War of Northern Agression.The side that wins a war is the one that writes the history.The North decided how the conclusion should be written and that is what most people hear today. Most Americans believe that the war was fought just about slavery. That it was a moral cusade.The war was not fought about slavery,but Tarrifs and money.The Morrill Traiff was a major provation and economic incentive to Southern secession.In 1860 the south accounted for almost 82% of the US export business. Over 58 percent was from cotton alone. US tarrif revenues already fell disproportioately on the South,accounting for more than 83 % of the to total.( Read The Morrill Tariff–Nothern Provocation to Southern Secession by Leonard M. Scruggs). Glenn is 100% correct about signing your name to a document that Obama will obviously use against those that suggest such an insult to his kingdom. Besides the petition is useless. Read in the constitution what it would take to seceed.(Peacefully.) Did you know that the Emancipation Proclomation only freed slaves in those states under the control of the Confederacy not in the other states. That Abraham Lincoln issued the proclomation because of politics and the need for more soliders in the Union Army. Glenn is right —in order to seceed there must be a civil war! So? The disruption is already here and it is gonna get a lot worse. The question everyone will have to answer is what Am I willing to sacrifice to keep my freedoms? Are you willing to sacrifce your bank account , your savings,your home, your job, your family, your life? That’s what happened to everyone who signed the Declaration Of Independence. Or will you simply convert/comply and become part of the system and live like you are told. If History has taught us anything it is that anyone can be killed: Kings, princes, public officials, Presidents. It only takes one person who will sacrifice his own life i.e. John Wilkes Booth,Lee Harvey Oswald or a well planned organized well trained group with finances, intelligence information and the right equiptment. i.e. Navy Seals. The Japanese used Kamikazes in WWII, Radical Muslims use  volunteers/believers: men, women, children, with bombs strapped to their bodies.You don’t have to have a civil war to kill one person or even 3 or 4. Don’t think for a minute that the people in power today: the liberals,the progressive, the communists, the socialist, the muslims would have any regrets in killing thousands of Americans to accomplish their agenda. The genocide of thousands or even millions of Christians, conservatives or anyone who is a threat to them or disagrees with them is not unconcieveable. Do you really believe that you have a voice in what is happening to this country? Or that by having elections–it will change? Obama owns the executive, the judical and the legislative branches of government,the supreme court, the Federal courts,ALL the agencies of the government: the ATF,the EPA, The DOJ,etc, the military,  the news media: TV, Radio, printed media,etc, the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve, —everything!  What’s coming is like a Tsunami –and nothing can stop it! Not the House of Rep., the Tea Party,Fox, The GOP, or Glenn Beck. How will you survive? What are going to do when they knock on your door and demand that you surrender your firearms? Or when they tell you that you must sell your property to help those that need the money. Or that you can no longer worship like you did.  Or speak your mind –out loud, in public if it is against the Government. Crazy, unbeliveable,won’t happen–Ok!  You can continue with your head in the sand and think that some how it will be alright and nothing will change.  Millions of Jews in Germany felt the same way!

Are you subtly suggesting assassination here? Because despite your long worded front, that is what I am hearing. 

Are you subtly suggesting assassination here? Because despite your long worded front, that is what I am hearing. 

What rights are being taken away?

I understand that there are a number of “signers” that Glenn claims to revere, who most certainly risked their lives in signing their names to a document proclaiming independence from an overbearing tyrant.  It seems that Glenn has forgotten what forged this country to start with.  Perhaps Glenn should review some of the history because he seems to have forgotten some of it with this topic!

The famous Thomas Jefferson quote that so many Tea Partiers have misused and misunderstood below was written in a letter by TJ in 1787 while he was in France. He was expressing his support of Shay’s Rebellion the previous year.

Shay’s Rebellion occurred in Massachusetts and was the culminating event that led our Forefathers to meet in Philadelphia to overturn the Articles of Confederation (when they had been instructed to only amend the A of C) and create our Constitution.

In the context that TJ used the quote, you must choose whether you would have supported Shay’s Rebellion– and thus TJ’s quote– or you would have supported the 1787 Constitution which created a stong federal government that was in part set up to stop such rebellions. You cannot support both.

You cannot use TJ’s quote to support rebellion against your federal government when the very cause of the quote (Shay’s Rebellion) was used to create our Constitution– which you say is holy and divinely inspired.

However I don’t believe that most Tea Partiers truly support our 1787 Constitution that opened the door to a strong, vigorous central government. Rather you are more like Patrick Henry who worked hard to defeat ratification of the Constitution. Even the Bill of Rights did not assuage him because he understood rightly– as history has shown– that the Necessary and Proper Clause would give the federal government the potential of unlimited power.

Tea Partiers are indeed constitutional conservatives, but your constitution is the Articles of Confederation. 

Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Franklin, etc. were against Shay’s Rebellion. Even Sam Adams, the great revolutionary that Glenn Beck so idolizes, favored capital punishment against any of the Shay rebels. Why? Because in a republic, he reasoned, you have a voice, and if you rebel against a government that gives you a voice then you deserve death. “Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death.”

Sounds like Sam Adams– Mr. Boston Tea Party himself– would believe that all of you who would act on secession and taking up arms deserve death.

Just make sure you give up all your Socialistic Government Programs for sure, and all your family does too!! Sacrifice, give up your Social Security Benefits, give up your Medicare, give up your Medicaid, and just how the states plan to fund their own?? Higher taxes, surely not!! 

Besides, what do I care if they have my signature on a list suggesting secession?  If anything, these petitions will only serve notice of the dissatisfaction with the President and Congress.  And as far as lists go… they also have my name as a registered Republican, and my paperwork indicating the types of firearms I own, which already makes me a target by this President.

You don’t think they will respond? Or are you talking about secession?

GLENN-what’s smart and not smart….don’t do the dbl talk NOW….WE have the RIGHT to challenge FRAUD! I WANT out of smoke screens & BS…..

I didn’t go over the site with a keen eye – just scanning it a bit. Interesting to see how many there are and what happens with it. I am betting that the WH, if they respond, will make it lame and will use it for every state petition. Let’s keep an eye on it and aprise others of the progress?

Not every state has the “legal” right to succede.  In the agreement Texas signed with the USA at the time was a stipulation that Texas has the right to succede should they chose.  Texas, what the heck are you waiting for???????  JUST DO IT!

 enough said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvliy8rEJDQ

I say all those wanting out, should be allowed to bow out, but do it by person, not state. That way we can sever any government sponsored socialistic programs that they participate in, and save the government a hell of a lot of money, whoo hoo! 

Christianity is NOT the only religion in the U.S. I hate to inform you of this. 

And I really hate to bust the bubble, but he won the popular vote also, plus the electoral college. Do a bit of research, see what states takes advantage of government socialistic programs the most. And what will they do without them, raise taxes? LOL! 

I agree, get the stupid, conservative idiots out of the Union that suck up funds from the government socialistic programs and start making them more reliant on themselves!!! And, make sure you have the cash to pay for medical care, cause you will get the full bill with no medicaid in place. LOL! You guys are so stupid. 

Families fought families in the Civil War. And, they will again. Many people go into the military because they don’t know what else to do for themselves. 

Justin, if you liked that then you should like this even more!!
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”  –  Thomas Jefferson 

Soon, everyone will know; yes, especially those that voted for the criminal-in-chief! They will understand what the rest of us already knew.

Glenn needs to remember that the constitutional amendment was passed in reconstruction before any of the southern states were returned to the union.  They didn’t have a say in the vote.  Also, when you consider Texas, it was in the annexation treaty that TX have the right to secede because they were a sovereign nation when annexed and chose to become a state.  Our state constitution still guarantees us the right to secede but it has to pass with 2/3 of the voters in our state.  I think TX can beat a court challenge because of the annexation treaty which was done with the approval of both parties.  Other states really don’t have the right to secede but maybe secession discussion will prompt congress and the president to realize that just because four states cheated and elected Obama doesn’t mean he has a “mandate” to move us into progressive regime.   I am a TX native and I don’t think we could get a 2/3 secession vote.  40,000 isn’t close to 2/3 of our electorate.

not surprised, most of the religious right are uneducated

It’s spelled speech. And America DID speak, Obama won the electoral and the popular vote. You guys just can’t handle the fact you lost. Poor losers for sure!!!!!!!!!

We have helped the GOP in 2010…They still distrust us and have used us…
Libertarian for me and my house… George Washington advised us not to form a two party system. If enough of us flip out of The GOP that will make a strong statement.
We need to follow and support the congress members that support the constitution  they will know we are not going any where… No blood. I am sure they have more power and much bigger guns than we do.I had a grandfather that fought in the civil war for a United States.
We don’t want to be like The Occupiers. Do we? I-don’t
I still feel they will hang themselves with their own lies. 

Sounds like a plan! I’ve been looking at the Texas Travel Guide, looking a some very yummy-looking areas on the “Gulf Coast”…so relaxing. And just read a horrible article in WND about voting machines having been set to automatically default to “vote Obama”. sigh, I’m going to fix myself some hot tea..

I just saw where Obama deleted, by Executive Order, $530 million of food stamps to Ohio… And so it begins… Kitty

Update on Texas.  We have a petition going to our state legislature to put secession on the ballet.  That is the petition I signed, I didn’t sign one to the white house for Obama to retaliate.  Again, I don’t think we can get 2/3 of the vote, but it will be interesting to see what is next.

I have toyed with the idea – too hot though for me.

We now know we have a dictator on our hands…..it’s just the beginning. He has increased food stamp dependency; up now to 47.1%. How do we begin to fight that? These people don’t realize they have given up their freedoms for serfdom. Ayn Rand knew our future way back when.

Well…those of us who signed will be the first candidates for those plastic coffins lying in wait!

 Remember MY STATE used to be a sovereign nation and if we want out, we have the right.  It is socialists like you that make us want out.  You are taking away our liberty.  You might want to check out Alexis Tocqueville(sp?) and his thoughts on why the democracies don’t last.  People like you who want to vote yourself handouts from the coffers that bring dictators like Obama and make democracy ultimately fail.

 See my post above.  There is a petition going to the TX legislature requesting that they put secession on the ballet.  We have to have 2/3 vote for it to pass, so I don’t know if it can, but the movement has started for us to secede.

Well now you all know what I grew up knowing. Voting is a joke! It means nothing. The job is bought & paid for with tons of cash and favors. And there is nothing we can do about it either. This succession deal may be just the ticket to turn things around, voting sure doesn’t work!

I volunteered a long time ago.  It was easy, if unfortunate, to see this coming. I spoke with Glenn about this and more years aago…

Give me ceiling fans or head to the beach to hunt for shells…I’m a beach bum at heart, with a penchant for beaches, horses, rodeos, Harleys, and cowboys!! I’m a Hawaiian-Italian mix…sort of like spaghetti with Teriyaki sauce…LOL Kitty

What really hurt too were all the Conservatives who weren’t happy about Romney and wanted Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, so they either didn’t go to vote, or wrote in a 3rd party candidate. They kept Obama on his throne out of blind principle. It was a juvenile thing to do.

Since should we be afraid of the Government…..Let them know who we are how pissed off we are and we will not tolerate socalism in any form to take root any further. The Founding Fathers placed thier names on the Declaration of Independence knowing that they would be hunted and likely killed for their actions. Are we any better since when are people so politically correct they be offended people with their words and actions. ENOUGH ALREADY take a stand and be the man or woman G-D intended for you and I to be…..Damn the Torpedos full speed ahead!

You’ve read Ayn Rand??! I read and collected some of her works back when I was in junior high and high school…even did a book report on “Atlas Shrugged”. Isn’t it shameful that it’s coming to pass… Kitty

LOL!

I guarantee if we sign our names to the list we will be retaliated on.  As hard as it is for me and very scared for my Jewish heritage and land, I have to believe G_d has a plan.  Maybe we should use our time and energy more wisely by trusting that Obama is here for a reason and watching the moves very carefully.  I don’t know the reason he was re elected, I don’t like it, but obviously there is a purpose.  We need to have some faith.

I am still trying to figure out how at 5:00 p.m. my son and I pulled over into a parking lot to see the polls on my cell phone showing Romni leading and then two hours later I received a text stating Obama has been re-elected.  That told me a whole lot about the election.

Of course, Big Oil would never have anything to do with this would it!!! LOL!!

I can tell you I saw the world differently after reading her books. The Fountain Head was another I read as well. The author that really did it for me was Hayek. He really opened my eyes and then I read The Creature from Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin….that’s when I knew I was hooked. I have never been the same. Not sure if it’s good or bad, but they definitely made an impact on me.

Yes, why bother with civility and respect for stupid constitutional processes like elections when we can do like you say and follow the great methods of Taliban and their likes.

I agree, that was total stupidity on both the Conservative side and the third-party voters. Gary Johnson and Rand Paul should have solidified behind Romney. And the “Principled non-voters” should have known better. I have a friend who is a Christian. She didn’t want to vote for Romney because he was, in her opinion, a “cultist Mormon”. When I said, “Well, do you want to vote for Obama, a Muslim Socialist?”, she replied that she might not vote. I told her that is the same as voting for Obama…I haven’t heard from her since. Kitty p.s. I don’t know if or for whom she voted. KT

If such a small amount of people out of the 314+
million people want to be separated from the United States so badly then why don’t
they just leave?  Why drag your entire
state into your small minded ideas? You have no idea how this country will end
up in the next 4 years. It is absolutely absurd to think you would give up such
an extensive freedom. Instead of sitting on your hypocritical asses why don’t
you consider how good you actually have it, you have a government that genuinely
cares about its people offering things like health insurance and food
assistance to people whom need it. You could be living in Africa where men are
killed every day for sport.  Stop being
so narrow minded and ignorant, suck it up like everyone else has every
presidential election, we could have had another Bush you know.

The Grim Rep’s Party are such sorry losers!!! If they do secede, let them take the Bush debt with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Actual Quote was made by Thomas Jefferson before the 1st Continental Congress. The entire quote should be referenced: Jefferson Said:
“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the factsthey misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lostin a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.It is its natural manure.” 

And I’m sorry see it come to this. But Obama’s, and Hilliary Clinton’s Plans are to allow the USA to be engulfed by the United Nations rules and regulations for an international gun ban by private citizens.
This means our U.S. Constitution goes out the window. No more guns, no right to free speech, no freedom of religion, No 4th amendment protecting you from illegal search and seizures of your property.  I could go on all night. Imagine loosing your right to a trial by a jury of your peers. It’s going to happen people.
no more 5th amendment to protect you.  Don;t believe me? The NRA and hundreds of other Gun Associations have tried to warn you for the past 4 years about this.  The so called “establishment” want ALL the guns, not just the assault weapons, but all semi-automatic guns. 
Go to http://www.Oathkeepers.org and read their motto.
  

Because the Democrat’s, the ones that actually work in the country, voted after their work hours, so, of course the Grim Rep’s votes came in first!! LOL!!

Just make sure after your comment that you, or anyone in your family, is NOT taking part in ANY government socialistic program, like, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, WIC, Social Security, and make sure when you are in an accident that you refuse any help from Medicaid to pay your bill. Make sure Torpedo!! And make sure all the Red States repay their socialistic help, including hurricane and disaster relief, cause you all sure don’t deserve it, considering it’s the red states that suck most from our ‘socialistic’ programs!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I have to disagree, Big Oil couldn’t turn this one around!!!!!!!!!!!

Glenn is right. We need to take into account more than just present emotion and not let that alone dictate such a drastic move. We must first look back on history to understand how it worked, where it got us and if we can apply it to our present day. America does not need another civil war, simply because the opposite of united is divided and we have not yet come to the point of taking such an action even though I believe we are not that far away. It’s crucial that we  use our safe guards (Dec. of Indep. and Constitution) and become students of both so that we can redirect our future. We must come to the realization that if we are ever going to defeat that in which is destroying the very ground we exist on that we subtract from the equation that in which is slowly disolving us. This may sound futile at first but I believe it to be of the greatest importance and that is to take a “break” from everything that has been artificially created around us. It is with my greatest beliefs that this nation can only be restored by the will of God. Human will is powerful but Gods will is something so much more, it’s conclusive. To take a piece out of history whether it be a week or a couple years to pause from this destructive system and come together to institute what is not working is not only our right but our duty. There will come a day when our generation will come to pass but if such measures aren’t taken than those born after us will not know the difference between liberty and tyranny. We do. And we will be held accountable not by them but that in which gave us liberty in the first place.

The right to bear arms is actually not only focused on guns.
You can carry a pocket knife and still bear arms. No rights are violated.

The banter of secession from the Union is ridiculous. If you recall, we fought a war over this issue from 1861 to 1865. However, consider the following as a constitutional alternative to unravelling the status quo: At present, the U.S. has several Territories to include Guam, Puerto Rico, CNMI, USVI and American Samoa. The residents are U.S. citizens and they do not pay federal income tax. However, as collective dependents of the U.S., they receive hundreds of millions of dollars each year in goodies to include food stamps, HUD Housing, subsidized U.S. Postal Service etc., from Uncle Sam. In exchange, they are not allowed to vote in the Presidential election and they do not have U.S. Senators. However, each territory is allowed one non-voting representative in the U.S. House of Representatives. This person is selected by the territorial Governor. What if the red states decided that they no longer want to be States and opted to reverting back to being U.S. Territories? The blue states would get the luxury of supporting these Territories with goodies through their taxes. Since the residents of blue states claim to have a monopoly on compassion, they shouldn’t have a problem with their financial support of the Territories. Thus, the argument is that the red states aren’t seceding from the Union, they are opting to becoming dependent’s of the Union. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.

Who wants to Volunteer?  WWW.Oathkeepers.org That’s who!
We, as members, all took an Oath to the Constitution of this country at one time in our lives, not the government, but the people of this country. That Oath is a blank check payable to the people of the United States that clearly states the follow verbatim:  
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me GodThat Oath NEVER expires! It’s time to keep it!  

I will gladly trade Bush’s debt in exchange for Obama’s debt.

Um, who won the war now??

Good. I say, everyone who wants out, find their own land, and form their own Union. GET OUT and DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON’T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don’t worry. That’s what the so called FEMA camps are for that everyone now knows about. Ole Jesse Ventura did a whole expose’ on them. He even went to the main door and they would not tell him anything. And he is a former Governor.
 Thousands of coffins have been made and are all ready laid out and ready to go. That’s the plan for people like us who are willing to stand up for what is right. I just hope others are smart enough to make that stand as well when the time comes.
It’s not far off I’m afraid.
It’s sad and depressing to think of a country that has the Statue of Liberty in NY harbor that is supposed to be symbol of light to the rest of the world that we are a FREE NATION. Perhaps it’s time to hang a “No Vacancy” or “Sorry we’re closed for repairs” on it. 
A Faithful Oathkeeper and former U.S. Marine (retired)

I’d love to check out the validity of these maps. If they are correct, seems like nothing has really changed here in America!!!!!!!!!!

I much rather fight and die (with no regrets) than sit back and watch a tyranny destroy its people – and I am even including the ignorant fools who act like nothing is going on. God Bless.

At the time of the writing of the U.S. Constitution it is legally defined as follows per Harvard,Yale, and Cornell schools of Law, the definition is from the following:[ specifically referring to the 2nd amendment] :
“The right to keep and bear arms (often referred as the right to bear arms or to have arms) is the enumerated right that people have a personal right to “FIREARMS” for individual use, and a collective right to bear such firearms in a militia.”
It says nothing to about knives, axes, or any other implement. 
Sorry.

 Those who will be volunteering their blood will be innocent children caught in the cross-fire of a civil war. As if the last one wasn’t lesson enough.

In case anyone forgot, Obama won both the electoral college AND the popular vote. I’d say you are a bunch or sorry losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am trying to even figure out why such sorry losers are even having a discussion!! Obama won both the electoral college AND the popular vote. Heck, we had to put up with Bush for 8 damn years and we didn’t act like silly toddler that did not get their way, Please, grow up and quit banging your toys around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, we ‘others’ didn’t act like toddlers who didn’t get the toy they wanted on Christmas day when George W won. We didn’t scream we would secede from the Union. All I see are a bunch of idiots, banging their pots and pans and ranting because they didn’t get their way!!!!!

Racist-A Black Man was reelected we want to get out of the US

So many uneducated people in this country…..this would lead to one of two things one the states secede and what left of the US bombs them and takes them back. Or two Get on with life.

Realistically these people have no economic sense as to how the country works. The south is one of the most unneeded regions in the country. Them seceding would only cause more economic strain in their quest to receive goods that would no longer be available to them…..good luck when another 5 hurricanes hit……SMH

It seems apparent that some of you need refresher lesson in World History. Let’s step back in time and compare what is happening in America today with what happened in Germany BEFORE world War II broke out. Lets just read the facts about what happened to the Jewish people PRIOR to becoming slaves of the “Nazzi” state in 1935
 {quotes below are from Wikipedia}”In 1935, Hitler introduced the Nuremberg Laws, which: prohibited Jews from marrying or having sex with “Aryans” (the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor), stripped German Jews of their citizenship and deprived them of all civil rights. Hitler described the “Blood Law” in particular “the attempt at a legal regulation of a problem, which in the event of further failure would then have through law to be transferred to the final solution of the National Socialist Part.”Hitler said that if the “Jewish problem” cannot be solved by these laws, it “must then be handed over by law to the National-Socialist Party for a final solution.”[63] The “final solution”, or “Endlösung”, became the standard Nazi euphemism for the extermination of the Jews. In January 1939, he said in a public speech: “If international-finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed once more in plunging the nations into yet another world war, the consequences will not be the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation (vernichtung) of the Jewish race in Europe.”[64]Footage from this speech was used to conclude the 1940 Nazi propaganda movie The Eternal Jew (Der ewige Jude), whose purpose was to provide a rationale and blueprint for eliminating the Jews from Europe.  Jewish intellectuals were among the first to leave. The philosopher Walter Benjamin left for Paris on March 18, 1933. Novelist Leon Feuchtwanger went to Switzerland. The conductor Bruno Walter fled after being told that the hall of the Berlin Philharmonic would be burned down if he conducted a concert there: the Frankfurter Zeitung explained on April 6 that Walter and fellow conductor Otto Klemperer had been forced to flee because the government was unable to protect them against the mood of the German public, which had been provoked by “Jewish artistic liquidators.”[66] Albert Einstein was visiting the U.S. on January 30, 1933. He returned to Ostende in Belgium, never to set foot in Germany again, and calling events there a “psychic illness of the masses”; he was expelled from theKaiser Wilhelm Society and the Prussian Academy of Sciences, and his citizenship was rescinded.[67] When Germany annexedAustria in 1938, Sigmund Freud and his family fled from Vienna to England. Saul Friedländer writes that when Max Liebermann, honorary president of the Prussian Academy of Arts, resigned his position, not one of his colleagues expressed a word of sympathy, and he was still ostracized at his death two years later. When the police arrived in 1943 with a stretcher to deport his 85-year-old bedridden widow, she committed suicide with an overdose of barbiturates rather than be taken.[67]“ If you can’t see these, and similar images happening right here in the USA on the news today I suggest you move to Canada if they will have you.  The French were bold enough to form an underground to disrupt any and as much of the German operations and movement as possible. Without them the 2nd World War may not have turned out the way it did. In short if your any type of Christian or Hebrew in this country in a few  years to come it will be a CRIME. Just as it was being Polish, Jewish or anything else in any land that Germany occupied.  this time it will be called “The New World Order”.I’m all for peace. No one in the world prays for peace more than a veteran or the professional soldier. He(she) is the last who person who wants to go to war. But he(she) is also the first to stand up for the oppressed, and defend freedom what ever that cost may be. even up to and including his or her own life.It’s a proven fact: People who do not pay attention to history, are forced to repeat it!

Another great petition needing signature to become searchable on White house web site.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/amnesty-not-immigration-reform/33SNW1gj

Here is one for mass that needs to get to 150.

Glenn it’s just a protest chill out Think of the fun we will have if we can get all of the people who voted for Romney and all the ones who are so pissed at the choices they were given they didn’t vote sign these. It is just a nice little poke in the eye

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-massachusetts-withdraw-united-states-america-create-its-own-government/R9BMnHQs

Connecticut wants in too

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-connecticut-withdraw-united-states-america-create-its-own-new-government/qZD9wYmg

Thats whatthis election was all about if Hussein Osama oops Obama got elected again it would be the beginning of the Dictatorship! He never wanted to be President of the United States Mr CelebrityNarcisist-in-Chief wanted to be President of the World.and he is with being in charge of the UN and IMF. And of violent nature because he is from Islam!

Maryland, I also found one for DC but I wouldn’t even sign that one  

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-maryland-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Vs7DwkLX

Vermont needs to get to 150

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-vermont-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/5j24C20f

Hawaii needs 150 which they are all most there.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-hawaii-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/kfvFZyfw

Some people are so stupid. The radical fanatics and hypocrites need to grow up. You can’t name one single president that EVERYONE like. You are gonna always have the ups and downs. If the president was so bad then 1. He would not have lasted through his first term. And 2. He would not have won a second term. He won the most electoral and popular votes. As for the issue of states petitioning for secession, they would have a rude awakening when they realize how much the federal government provides that they would have to come up with on their own. They would have to establish their own government and military. If they have a disaster then they would have to fend for themselves with no entitlement to aide from others. The federal laws that protect them would no longer apply. Businesses based there would be subject to foreign policy if they need supplies from outside. Travel to other states would also change or be restricted.

Red secedes from the Blue. A bold new nation based on our Founding Fathers visions and the Constitution. The Constitutional Republic of America. We peacefully rise up and take back our God given birth right of freedom. We reject the tyranny of government just as our Founding Fathers did! Our Founding Fathers warned us a government out of control and they were right. We need a second nation, let the left have theirs.

I am no kook or extremist, I am just a regular guy who has had enough. I am like millions of others who no longer have a say in government and immediately get labeled as a whackos by the MSM. The MSM will ensure that our ideas are never really heard or respected. The most logical step is to secede and form our own nation. We base our new nation on the Constitution, we have no political parties, we have term limits for all elected offices. We allow no lobbyists. Supreme Court Justices and Federal Justices would be limited to one six year appointment. A 10% Federal tax for all that make over $25K annually.

I truly believe that this is now our only recourse. The current system will never allow us to succeed or have a true hand in government.

 Asshole – A jerkoff that doesn’t understand that color has nothing to do with this, we want our Constitution back. If you want to see racism in politics, investigate Allen West.s election.

I am sure that there were plenty of people in 1776 laughing about the thought of seceding from England.

 Just to correct your misleading statement for the record, I didn’t have to write Gary Johnson in, he was on my ballot along with 46 other States I believe.

Blind Principles? Really? I can’t let that one slide by since I am already here.

Let’s see, should I listen to Sandie who is an amoral partisan hack or should I listen to Noah Webster?

“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look at his character. It is alleged by men of loose principles, or defective views of the subject, that religion and morality are not necessary or important qualifications for political stations. But the scriptures teach a different doctrine. They direct that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds,
breaches of trust, speculations and embezzlements of public property which astonish even ourselves; which tarnish the character of our country and which disgrace our government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he not only sacrifices
his own responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but
that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.”      –Noah
Webster

Let’s see, should I listen to Sandie who is an amoral partisan hack or should I listen to Patrick Henry?

“Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any
people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality,
and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.”
–Patrick Henry

Let’s see, should I listen to Sandie who is an amoral partisan hack or should I listen to George Washington?

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props
of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”                  –George Washington

Sorry not even close. I will go with our Founders every time, you lose Sandie.

While I am here, do you think you could make yourself useful for once and sign this petition? You wouldn’t be doing it for me, it would be for our Country and the GOP.
Thanks!

http://www.change.org/petitions/i-will-not-vote-for-another-rino-again

For whatever reason, so-called “blue states” tend to be high-income areas that pay the vast majority of federal taxes. Some 84 percent of federal individual income taxes—which account for over 40 percent of federal revenue—are paid by the those in the top 25 percent of the income distribution. The majority of these taxpayers live in wealthy, urban, politically “blue” areas like New York, California, and Massachusetts.More of these federal funds flowedinto California ($195.1 billion), Texas ($120.5billion) and New York ($120.4 billion) thaninto any other states. The lowest totals werefound in Wyoming ($3.9 billion), Vermont($4.1 billion) and Delaware ($4.4 billion). GEE SOCIALISM IN AMERICA IS A NEW PHENOMENON, WE NEVER COLLECT TAXES AND REDISTRIBUTE THEM! POOR TEXAS. 

MOST OF THE DEMOCRATIC STATES ARE WHAT SUPPORT THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR TAXES AND SUPPORT THE RED STATES!! I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY ABSOLUTELY STUPID PEOPLE IN MY LIFE AS I HAVE SEEN ON THIS POST. More of these federal funds flowed
into California ($195.1 billion), Texas ($120.5
billion) and New York ($120.4 billion) than
into any other states. The lowest totals were
found in Wyoming ($3.9 billion), Vermont
($4.1 billion) and Delaware ($4.4 billion).

Satan ran for President and lost now his minions want retribution.   God deliver us for this utter evil.  God will get all of you, you wait and see!

Maybe we should petition for Obama to admit he is the anti christ

How about we give people better options than two side of the same coin for elections?

How many people didn’t vote because they think it does not matter anymore?

Why fight, can’t we just work together as one….United we Stand, Divided we Fall…i know that’s not what most of you wants to hear but this is not a time for us to be divided…we stand strong with God nothing is impossible to him. All our worries and struggles he hears it, but at the same time we need to stand together.

If your house is burning down do you just sit on the couch and do nothing because it is all in Gods hands?

I myself feel the same, but I also realize the last 20 years of presidents were merely puppets and nothing more, I even have a gun and a sword ready for the fight, lets seceeed this broken system and hopefully rebuild it.  War or no war, doesn’t matter. basic human rights are worth fighting for.

But what if you believe in a different religion, and do not believe ‘God will get you’. That is basically terror tactics,just applied in a different fashion. It sends ‘fear’ out, so you ‘fear’ it, thus, will become followers. I don’t buy that philosophy. 

Civil war will do nothing but make this nation weaker, no matter which way it turns out.  We need to strengthen our values and educate the populace.  Our children need to understand the value of pride in their accomplishments and themselves and be taught the values this nation was built on. When we are a nation of strong moral families with knowledge and pride in what our forefathers built, we will then have a better chance of electing a leader who will guide using the constitution as his pattern.  Until that day, push your representatives to hold their ground according to the wishes of the public and the constitution.   We will have lean times, but it beats tearing our nation apart in a civil war. 

Glenn Please don’t add to peoples fears that if they protest their Government the stormtroopers are gonna kick their door down.

 That is another reason people will not stand up for themselves. If the government was gonna kick down someones door for disagreeing with them I think you would be one of the first to go.
Not the little old lady next door to me that signed some internet petition.

Secession petitions are good PR but bad
politics. There is a way for states to legally and politically secede from the
American union but it must be a state-by-state process established by
constitutional secession conventions in each state.  Read:  http://thedailybell.com/28286/Ron-Holland-Secession-Petitions-Good-PR-But-Bad-Politics

i think there is a voice been spoken and that is obama did not win this election or the popular vote or why would states want secede from the union

No one who started these petitions thinks Obama is gonna say. Oh crap I just got 25,000 signatures on the petition from Texas I better let them out of the Union.

 Look how this has snowballed and gotten people talking about things that are going on in our country. What other protest that was against the Commies has gotten this much attention?

 Google states petition.

We have almost all fifty states on the white house web site please sign those few petitions below

Ok here is another one for ya. See people don’t wanna destroy America just get away from congress and the white house. We can leave them all in DC together.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-allow-states-have-asked-secede-do-so-and-form-their-own-new-nation-together/DLlFQySj

You know of course that he would be getting what he wants.
He is rending the very fabric of our union.
How exactly do we fight?
I say it starts by the “news” organizations actually reporting the news.
He should be impeached for his conduct in Benghazi but it seems Clinton will be off wine tasting and General Petraeus will probably plead the fifth.
Is there anyone in charge that hasn’t sold out yet?
Now might be a good time to out all that testosterone to good use.

1.
i wouldnt wonder if Texas leaves the Union,they have their own oil,their own power (electricity),grow their own food,i think they are pretty much settled,

2.
ok the gold price was $700 something in 2008,now its $1600,that doesnt mean gold is worth so much more..it only means our beloved Dollar does NOT have the purchace power no more,because it lost half its value,you should know that Glenn

btw Glenn as it says in the Declaration of Independence
quote:
“….but when a long train of abuses and ursupations,pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism,it is their right,it is their duty, to throw off such goverment, and to provide new guards for their future security….”
end quote

even our founding fathers thought it might come to this,meaning that the goverment goes overboard in their powergrabbing and yes it is much worse now as it was before and after the civil war

Seven states have reached the plus 25,000 mark

Texas 94,135 signatures

Come on Glenn get behind the people. Let this be their recount.

Colton……. I am in the Berwicks and will stand with you… I am afraid this state (Maine) that once had the monicer of “As Maine goes, so does the nation” has become nothing more than a hungry lapdog feeding on the scraps of the federal government…

coming from Tennessee I have not seen this in this state not that is not here.  I would sign it though.  Like Theresa said I to hope that we have enough power to fix our future without a war, but this country is very divided.  We might be looking at another civil war due to differences of ideas in this country.
I don’t believe as a country we will ever come together and work as a team again.  Obama only want’s it his way and the Republicans should not give in to the ideologies of the Democrat party.
  

Glen you don’t get it. If the folks in Texas for example lose their citizenship they may be much better off. They just need to step over the border into the United States and everything they need will be free and the remaining people in the Union will pay for it!! And it would be biased to deport them… isn’t immunity very popular with this administration?

Tenessee

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8

awakenTexas
here is the quote : Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
Sir John Harrington 1561-1612

Here is one for no amnesty. The White House wants to here from the people! Use their own tools against them!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/amnesty-not-immigration-reform/33SNW1gj

kick them out, let them take care of their own, that’s why they are all whining now.  let them stop all federal funding to the states that want out and see how long it takes them to come crawling back 

” As long as capitalism and socialism exist we cannot live in peace; in the end, one or the other will triumph – a funeral dirge will be sung over either the Soviet Republics or over world capitalism.”  V.I. Lenin

The states would stop the entitlement programs and would do just fine. Most states are going under from entitlement programs. The people looking for handouts would move to your state if the states really left the Union.

 See how long it would be before your state was begging to get out.

I would like to know, Mr. Beck, why YOU are so afraid of our president?  I would stand face to face with Barrack Obama and tell him that I wish he was not our president.  I would tell him how he has failed, and how he has failed America.  Where would our country be if our forefathers were afraid that King George would be offended.  They did more than sign a petition, they sent the King a hand delivered letter and told him in no uncertain terms that not only were they NOT going to pay his taxes, but they were no longer going to abide by his laws or defend HIS colors.  PEOPLE not American people, but PEOPLE have certain rights and OUR rights have been violated.  To stand by and allow the erosion of our most basic liberties is to spit in the face of the men and women who have shed their blood to “water the tree of liberty” as was so eloquently put.  Give me liberty or give me death!  I would shed every drop of blood I own if it meant the United States would return to the glory that I remember as a child!  So yes I will sign a petition in fact I have signed two, I will sign more.  John Hancock was certainly not afraid to sign and neither will I be.

Have proof for that, or are you just applying a stereotype to billions of people?

It wasn’t common for families to actually fight to the death during the civil war.

In view of the part about a new petition appearing and asking Obama to strip anyone who signed a secession petition of their citizenship…..gee…Ive lived 72 years and never knew the president of these united states had that kind of power to strip a citizen of anything!   And who’s bright idea was that???  A Hollywood celebrity?

A patriot indeed !!!!! 

…and another patriot…it brings tears to my eyes to know there are still those men who woulld fight for us…

Hawaii almost has enough signatures to get them opened up on the White House site. At 135 right now and I bet with all the patriots on here we can get it past 150 in minutes. Once it its 150 then the people will be able to see it on the White House web site where they can decide if they want to support it or not.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-hawaii-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/kfvFZyfw

Your words speak of a central government which has suceded from its citizens and the states where they reside.
This truth can no longer be told by our nationalized media for intents and purposes of supporting individual, American citizens.
When the central government’s Supreme Court becomes a mouthpiece of a national, political Party, the final linkage, or trust, which had existed between the citizens and the States in which they reside and that of their central, federal government has become spoiled.
The Power, which has become federal government itself, has diverted, subdued and mollified the individual citizen’s unalienable rights as intended and textualized in Ameican law.  Together, the three branches of federal government have created a new, sovereign power which citizens (past, present and future) would not recognize.
You also speak of tools given to us by the Founders and Framers of this centralized, federal government.  Unless these tools are used to fit federal government back into the space alotted for it, the tools themselves will no longer work, just as the system they would attempt to cure.
What remains is the character of the individual American citizen.  For it is here where the real power of government lies, not in the basements or sewers running beneath a City of Washington in a federal, District of Columbia.
We must again allow our citizens to learn the love of God and its impact on the human heart which spiritually becomes a living, pleading remonstrance to one’s own conscience and soul.
For some, this conscience and soul do not exist, yet this is neither proof nor reason for all souls and consciousness to be regulated by central government jurisdiction.
This would offend both our unalienable rights and God which would most certainly give rise to civil unrest and further the deterioration of American society, which suprisingly seems to be the reasoning and purpose of the federal government which is seceding from the will of past, present and future American citizens.

Peace and Justice

I think the entire vote should be audited and every single ballot re-counted. Even if there is a molecule of doubt about the vote this should be SOP. Why should we accept carelessness with votes? We sure wouldn’t go for it at the bank. If your balance isn’t exact, wouldn’t you demand an audit?

These people can’t be trusted, they proved it in the last four years, and there are six people dead because of their stated desire of punishing their enemies. The problem is, everyone is their enemy depending on the moon phase and other atmospheric factors at the time of the decision. They have no loyalties, no morals, and feel no obligations to act honorably in their dealings on every level.

Excluding military ballots was the last straw for me. The people who make our freedoms possible and who give up their rights to preserve ours should have a priority position in the vote count, not discarded as irrelevant. Every individual vote is a person, can we disregard people at will like the left does with the votes they don’t like?

Karen- Did you ever consider that God wanted Barack Obama to win a second term ?

People who are fearful of thier Government live in Tyranny.
A Government fearful of the people is Democracy.
To secede is not a Federal choice, it is a states choice. The Civil war resulted in no laws passed that made seccession illegal. It was done before, and can be done again with slavery again being the issue. People forced against thier will and religion to pay for birth control and abortions, forced by the IRS to by health insurance, forced to pay for being successful and creating jobs, forced to be harnessed to other nations for our oil, forced to pay our enemy, forced to send aid to those who hate us.  Is that not slavery?  It is also intersting to see the people with TV shows who have big voices as long as they don’t have to put up or shut up. 

      Yes because an argument of ‘hearsay’ versus ‘hearsay’ is definitely worth fighting for…Our country always finds a new trend of prejudice to jump on with and its pathetic so when this is forgotten about 6 months from now I will continue to ask…What is it exactly about his specifically “passed” policies that have led to the detriment being perceived? (Just because a political figure has views, does not mean they always come to fruition)…C-SPAN make that pretty clear haha
       If our personal liberties were being violated by the POTUS then sure i would be right there with you, but they’re not…The country as a whole is in trouble and why we can’t see past our “personal” differences to work as a nation is beyond me.  If you want to stop living under a kenyan dictator I say move out of Kenya…but oh wait they are also a democratic…Instead, use that patriotic blood, sweat, and tears to improve the country and not tear it apart…
      Lastly, have some respect for the men and women who ARE dying, fighting for OUR freedoms and embodying true courage instead of banding together in mutual hatred of an individual you don’t know  personally yet are informed enough to openly criticize…the internet is a confusing place haha
(Not directed specifically at you Kittyhane, just a general statement)

http://wh.gov/Xcdm
please sigh this its a States First Amendment

Glenn and Rick Perry who are best buds, have BETRAYED us Texans on this issue.

Rick constantly flirted with secession because there was a pro-secession candidate and he needed the votes during the primary (I know because he tricked me into supporting him instead of the secessionist candidate) but now that we Texans REALLY want it, they are backing up on their words.

I guess Glenn Beck might be afraid he couldn’t run a radio show that’d appeal to two countries, so there is a profit motive here. As for Rick Perry, he wants to be President of the USA, so obviously if he becomes a citizen of Texas, he loses his chance at ultimate power.

He’s been corrupted by the temptation of power. So sad.

Stand Up! and Be counted!

Bring it!

Don’t know why people would be complaining about not being a citizen anymore. They’d actually get to vote under the Obama administration. 

 No need to fight. Let’s just secede peacefully. Texas has NUCLEAR weapons (and the only place in the USA to make more of them is in Texas). Just like when Ukraine left the Soviet Union, there will be no civil war.

Also don’t put your personal details online, remember Obama has a “kill list” with Americans on it and can send a predator drone to fire a hellfire missile at your location!.

So let’s secede! Join us in Texas, Alex. Join and give money to the Texas Nationalist Movement, and help us leave this monster!

The ONLY way to stop federal growth of power is to threaten it from OUTSIDE of D.C.! Texas has nukes so there won’t be a war.

What’s WORSE is if we don’t secede and the USA gets embroiled in a real “civil war” within EACH state between conservatives and liberals.

Secession may actually PREVENT violence by giving conservatives places to go to live a christian, capitalist lifestyle in peace.

When the GOP states secede, will the United States of Stupid teach math and science or will it just hold party indoctrination classes?

What will those 94,135 do when e send in Federal Troops and wipe them out ?

hi

Here is the difference between the Civil war. One war was because the south wanted slaves another would be because we don’t want communism. 

 How are our civil liberties not being violated? Obama wants to take away our second amendment right to bears arms. I tell you now if it gets any more serious im going out and getting my concealed carry and buying a gun or two. I will not let my constitutional rights be violated. Oh and fyi, I hate guns, but i will do anything to not lose my civil liberties.

 If that happens more will see the government and Obama for what they truly are. Tyrants

Come on Glen, get on board. Your arguments against secession are anemic and unworthy of you. It makes me think you are part of the media system organized to control society. Your part is to polarize to the extreme right, while the likes of Bill Mahr et al is to polarize to the extreme left. The rest are designed to organize each camp all the way to the middle of the political spectrum. Nevertheless, it’s all designed to divide society into two controllable camps. No matter if it is Obama or Bush, there isn’t a difference in governance, just rhetoric.       

Technically all the years we work and pay into Social Security is not the governments money but our own we have contributed over the years. So I say if they keep taking more and more of it away why not fight. Your ignorance in the matter is appalling.

     But how would Texas succeed on its own with $287 Billion state debt, I live in Illinois which is roughly the same at $271.1 Billion owed (unfortunately IL is worse off because the population is smaller)…unfortunately not much changes in IL thanks to the Madigan family basically running the state….
    When Quinn took over for Blago and was attempting to start a reform….”"Instead of any discussion or exchange of substantive ideas on
ethics reform, the aide essentially proposed that the IRC cut a deal
with the legislature up front in order to avoid, as the aide put it, a
direct ‘confrontation’ with the legislative leadership.”"
     I doubt progress is possible within this sort of political framework..Curious what others think are the chances of Mike Madigan (IL-Speaker of the House) ever being brought up on ethics violations if his daughter Lisa is the IL Attorney General…0% so far since 2003…

This isn’t about hearsay vs. hearsay.   This is about an agenda which has made our country slowly work toward communism since FDR.    Obama was just the catalyst that broke the camel’s back.   We need to take our country back and this is the way it has to be done.   In a way, I am grateful, because if anyone else had been in office, it might have just gone on slow enough not to be noticed for another decade.   The federal government is the one on trial….Obama just helped everyone to see that.

To Paolina,
I give my information freely, whether President Obama has a “Kill list” or not. I took an oath to protect and defend our Constitution when I enlisted under President Reagon, and I reaffirm that oath to every American citizen now. I will defend to my death if I must, the liberties that God gave us, the freedom that our nations was founded upon, and so many have died protecting. Let me lay with those upon my death I pray.

Also, have you considered that a lot of soldiers do not feel like they are fight for freedom anymore….I know a lot of them, and this is what I hear.   They keep going back to their oaths and seeing that there is a conflict.

Both.

Actually, I really think Glenn used a tactic to make people see something you can’t tell about….almost a baiting tactic.   I don’t think he’s really against the petitions…..just had to do something to make us think.

      An assault weapons ban/reduction in sales does not and will never mean the dissolution of the amendment (I sincerely doubt Congress would allow it past the H.O.R. if it ever came up) and I think any legislation that emerges is a natural reaction in response, specifically, to tragic events that have occurred recently…and assault sales skyrocketed after this election anyway haha
     I also agree we should have the right to defend ourselves from any threat foreign and/or domestic…but it does have to be a legitimate threat right? As of right now I would say the threat is perceived because nothing has even happened…
    Out of curiosity, when would the average citizen require “Red Dawn” or zombie apocalypse levels of armament?

You cut the quote short. It says “…watered by theblood of patriots AND TYRANTS. I believe the real reasonb he (Obummer) is trying to cut a deal with the UN over personal firearms is that he understands the Second Amendment was intended to allow us to resist tyranny by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, and of course he doesn’t like that. He has no intention to water that tree!!!

@facebook-31114967:disqus : Texas pays out more than it receives in taxes, and 30% of what we “receive” back comes in the form of the IRS, EPA, and FDA, which attack our economy and businesses.

Also if you add Texas’ share of the federal debt, then we don’t even receive half of what we pay in taxes back in spending, which sadly is never included when liberals try to pretend Texas gets back money from the feds. They overlook that the Fed spends double what they earn, so almost every state “benefits” (Texas STILL only receives about 95% of taxes back, but again much of it comes in the form of IRS agents and environmental agents who abuse our businessmen).

Texas would have a BOOM if we secede. Not to mention it would create a rush of businessmen moving to Texas to take advantage of our low tax rates.

To Brian Janiga: The second aqmendment was specifically designed to permit a citizen to have the equivalent of the government’s firepower – back then the patriot’s squirrel rifle vs the British infantry musket.  Today that translates out to a good assault rifel. Think before yopost. The founding fathers of this country had just fought a war against a tyrranical government, so what do you think they were trying to ensure we are able to defend against?

     I don’t disagree that the federal government should be on trial on every level…transparency is a joke and not even a good one anymore…
     Elimination of corruption is what I would put highest in necessity…any thing else is a difference of “personal” philosophy in what we believe government should and should not be responsible for, am i wrong or isn’t that entirely what a democracy is about….
     Elections are the foundation in which the people of this country decide what direction we agree or disagree with the country is heading…
    All you’ve told me is you disagree with communism (one of many political frameworks that exist today) and to hold that belief is well within your right as well as anyone’s to hold their own that may be in opposition to yours…to that point just because I believe FDR was right does not mean that every socialistic decision or legislation passed has been beneficial..

Im not an economist or anything, I was more curious about the implications of seceding under insolvency, also yeah TX kills IL in terms of economic power and stability

    Yeah i would have no problem believing and agreeing that soldiers are still fighting for us despite the inconsistencies that are deploying them out there in the first place…I was just stating that those individuals deserve our respect many times over regardless of our own opinion.  Because of their bravery we have the comfort to debate like this all the while wars are being fought on many fronts 24/7 and 365.

Two words folks, Constitutional Convention!

Ron Paul was talking about secession back in 2009 for Texas in regards to when the dollar finally collapses. Secession is as American as apple pie. 13 colonies seceded from the British Crown. Yet, you are right a true secession cannot come without war. We saw that during the Civil War. Lincoln went to was over secession because no president wants to be on watch when the country (as it is) dissolves.

 The Czars will then have a Politburo to call home.

And you with your crippled hip will be of no help to either side.

 And lead, that other precious heavy metal.

This group in the White House will stop at nothing to retain power and push forward their socialist agenda. Since, it now seems, that a majority agrees with the “hate America” and the “screw the country, I just want free stuff” line, could anyone, who is not in that clueless majority, doubt that this regime does/will have an “enemies” list that will be taken care of in one way or another? The Constitution and the rule of law mean nothing to this regime. This has already been proven time and again over the past four years. It will only become much, much worse, now that they have finally created a “zombie” populace who will follow them blindly to destruction.

@facebook-31114967:disqus : That $270 billion state debt in Texas would become our ONLY debt, while Texas would GAIN revenues. It helps Texas to leave, because we are freed of the Texas portion of the federal debt which comes out to $1.7 trillion. So I’d take $270 billion over $1.7 trillion! The debt to government revenue ratio by seceding would improve about 5 to 1 (and texas’ borrowing costs and interest rates would be vastly lower!).

Texas would likely continue using the US tax code TEMPORARILY, for a year or two to keep stability in revenue with the income tax going to Texas instead of the USA.

Texas pays almost $300 billion in income and corporate taxes to the federal government, so if we took over that, we could pay off our ENTIRE state debt in one year, presuming we use about $30 billion to cover social security/medicare.

Texas gets back far less in spending than it gives to the federal government in taxes.

Also, there is a chance if we secede before December we could sorta “cheat” the tax year and get corporations in Texas to pay their 2012 US taxes to Texas in 2013.

That would give a “bonus” of over a hundred billion dollars. But overall there would be tons of businesses relocating to Texas for it’s business environment and knowing that in the future, Texas will eventually lower or abolish many taxes.

I can see Glenn’s point here. There has been something nagging at me since I heard about the states sending the petitions to Washington. This on the surface is a peaceful protest and a message to the current administration that “we the people” are not happy

Many ways it could get there. Look up Casey research, Jim Sinclair has some good perspectives also. We could have a debt restructure where all debt is taken down 30-40-50% or whatever. We could just see the total monetization 1920′s Germany. There could also be a split of the country (secession). You can see any combination of collapse even those leading to one world govt. (aka world currency). Of course world wide war is always in the mix. Our collapse will be the signal for all those old disputes come to a head. My advice is to get dual citizenship somewhere that looks like it might be remote enough to give you time to moce. Gold, silver and gems if you can plow into them now. If not, use your medical degree in a new country that allows you to build a position. I don’t know your particular situation so I cannot advise you much.

It is a so misunderstood commodity.

Have you Ever been in a war? You write about spilling blood, really? I have been in war. I have seen blood spill. I have held my brother as he took his last breath. I find it incredibly offensive how callously you boast your bravery in what ifs.

It sounds to me like people are just running away, and being cowards, abandoning the country.  Wars would happen.  And BTW
“Can I ask you a quick question? Who thinks it’s a good idea to put your
name on a petition secede from the United States of America and give it
to President Obama?”   You say this to a country who is hooked on facebook/twitter ect…  And willing to comment, and have their name shown where everyone can see…  Just saying…

Good properties: protection, when used in lead sheets and guns; power, when used in batteries

Bad properties: Health issues by direct or indirect injection/ingestion, which is why one should never have lead injected or ingested.

The greatest thing to fear is Fear its self was once said by Somebody I dont know???  The left is  systematically dismantling the identity of America.  Be it cowardice or complacency the American People  have been fooled into believing if you cant beat them join them..Sesession is the only way to force enough people to choose the path of self reliance.  The truth is in most people’s minds on the left they are still slaves.  Examine the behavior of the slaves immeadiatly following the civil war.  Most prefered to go back to a relationship that continued their dependance on the governing powers that kept them as slaves.  Today half of the American population are as week as a Robin Chick, with there mouths they screem loudly demanding to be given another meal.  The US Government has become the Parents of  all these adult children.   It cost only a little over one trillion printed dollars to feed all those birds.  How long will it be before our enemies start breeding snakes to come and devour all the easy meals. 9/11 was just a test of our resolve.  Now the American left have convinced enough people that they will provide for all.  The left will sacrifice some of us to feed the snakes and keep the rest of the popualation believing that they will be saved.  The true enemy of the United States is the ignorace of its people.  Spoon fed and unaware.  The Republic was lost when the People discovered they can vote themselves $$$.  The true Power in this country has been preparing to leave for a long time.  The true power behind wealth is the knowledge and wisdom of people.  Winning the lottery will not make you wealthy.  The left have been teaching that $$$ equals power so long that it has become an accepted lie.   Printing $$$ is now the accepted way to create wealth on the left.. Sessesion will ceate a second civil war and this time the choice will be to be a slave or not be a slave.  Is’nt ironic that the enslaved are being led by a Black Man.  Is’nt Ironic that the decendants of slaves in this country vote to keep themselves spoon fed.  Electing a Black Man was suposed to show how far we have come from the days of forced slavery.  Just like at the end of the first civil war, independance self -reliance and self governing is a concept that is feared and hated by those who do not know it.  Living at the mercy of the government is not Liberty.  How many Americans will need to be a sacriced in order to create the illusion that if we feed the snakes.  All will be well for the rest of us.  The four Men in Bengazi are only the beginng.  It is leadership that makes the greatest difference in the direction the American people choosen for themselves..The re-election of Obama gave power over life and Death for all of America.  I choose Sesssion over Death.  I choose Liberty and freedom over a spoon.  All those who choose Obama will be sacrificed until there are no more to sacrifice to feed the snakes that cover the ground below the tree your nest is built in.  Adult children are said to  be children that never learned to fly..They just stay in the nest waiting for their parents to fly in with a worm..  The dodo could not fly and we all know what happened to the dodo.  Seccesion will divide this country between the makers and takers.  The left will go the way of the DoDo.    

I understand Mr. Beck’s position on these petitions.  But if you look at the states that have these petitions, for the most part, they are the self reliant states that tried to vote Mr. Obama out of office, in some cases 2 to 1.  I live in one of them.  I have also lived in Texas. And yes, they do “cling to their guns and their bibles.”  I believe we are in a Cold Civil War with the goverment.  But I agree with Ms. Saguto.  If we do not hold the line at all costs, the children will have to chance to restore this Republic.

Sounds really smart to have our country men who serve come back to a country torn apart because of ignorant poor sports who think that this will do anything but make Americans fighting Americans! this is disgraceful and unconstitutional! These men have fought side by side with each other through many wars and do not want to come back and fight eachother.  Get you shit together America and grow the hell up.

The people wanting to secede are unti American, anti democracy, anti freedom and sore losers.

Thank you alonevoiceofsanity. You’re not alone!  Most people here think sound bites are news which they use to form their opinions around issues about which they no nothing.  I’m sad to say that is how “We the People” roll these days.

President Obama got almost 3,000,000 more votes that Mitt Romney so WTF are you talking about ?

 Brian, you appear to have a limited understanding of the language of the Constitution. The second amendment does not afford the federal government the right to ban any type of weapon. In fact, it is the one amendment that specifically bans the federal government from infringing on the rights of the people. The others allow some amount of wiggle room, but NOT the second amendment. What exactly constitutes an “assault weapon” is another problem. The president’s UN proposal includes wording indicating that an assault weapon includes any weapon that has the “appearance” of a fully automatic military weapon.  The  AR-15 is also on his list. This weapon generally comes in two calibers and is semi-automatic, yet, is no more powerful than many 30 caliber hunting rifles. Additionally, .45 and .40 caliber handguns would be banned as well. There is no such thing as an assault weapon. ANY weapon, including sticks can be used to “assault” humans. The president, in his particular brand of arrogance, like most liberals, believes that HE has the right to defend himself, but no one else does. True to form, Obama and most liberals believe that only the government should have authority to defend the citizens. They believe that citizens should not be allowed to defend themselves without the express permission of their government. If we were to apply the same legal argument to ANY human invention that takes lives, we would not be driving. There are FAR more people who are killed on America’s roads than lose their lives through non-defensive gun violence. If we were objectively evaluating where to best put in place regulatory law banning dangerous implements, the car would have to lead the list by far. It is liberal fantasy to believe that removing guns would curb violence. That kind of foolishness is contemptible. The only ones who give up weapons are those who were already obeying the law. The only ones that the government will go after in the event of a ban are those law abiding citizens. Removing weapons from the hands of the citizenry leads to an INCREASE in violent crime, not a decrease. Or is it your contention that prior to the widespread proliferation of firearms, humans didn’t murder each other? Giving up any modicum of freedom, especially with regard to the right to keep and bear arms, leads, inevitably, to government tyranny and violent lawlessness in which criminal predators fear little because they know that their prey cannot fight back. I have often heard that citizens should not be allowed to carry firearms because only the police and military are taught to “safely” discharge those weapons. That is not what occurs in reality, however, as we well know from what happened recently in New York City when a man pulled a gun and shot his former coworker. Police responding to the incident killed the man, which is good. However, in doing so, they shot NINE citizens, doing more damage than this individual could possibly have accomplished on his own with a single weapon. Consistently, studies show that the police are not able to train to the level that individual gun owners do because it is simply too expensive to give them the range time, situational training and bullets necessary to maintain a safe level of precision. Bottom line is that ANY concession is starting down a path that inevitably leads to disarmament. If you don’t believe it, listen to how liberals speak about the second amendment. While I realize that contempt and dismissal is a liberal trait, their attitude toward the freedoms of the citizens to keep and bear arms should aptly demonstrate the truth of the situation.

Secession is not about reaching an arbitrary requirement on a White House website, or finding some trick in some constitution somewhere that “allows it”.  It will never be technically “allowed”, because beside frightening the complacent, it threatens the powerful.  Secession is rather an open rebuke of distant government gone awry.  This country wasn’t started with a legal loophole, but with an entire repudiation of a legal framework that was felt to have permanently detached from the people’s interests.  Secession is thus “allowed” whenever enough people pursue and enact it, and have some representative organisation to replace what is cast off — and then, when they fend off the bloody-minded and power-hungry who come marching in to enslave them, turning what might have been peaceful into a war.

These petitions do have an abstract force and may influence party leaders and policymakers, but they have no plan beyond federal detachment and no substitute model of union, and are not taking their own aims seriously — and supporters of this sinful government that fakely celebrates its own justification of ancient rebellion, but ever since then has labelled the same justification as treasonous (as itself was once was labelled), at least raise a good point: how could we do any better than what we have — or would it only get worse?  The question faced our founding patriots, and it demands our consideration, since we’re not yet as divided as we were in past uprisings (although our leaders seem intent on testing our limits, and though, looking at demographics, we may possibly have just passed a point of no return with diminishing representation).

Then, where is our venue to count the costs and complexities of secession; to face the fact that our state governments are as vulnerable to corruption as our nation has been; to hash out the Constitutional defects, the accumulated judicial malfeasances, and the ideological cancers of our current government; and to renew the founding documents?  Wildfires just burn themselves out.

The FIRST country to secede in world history was the United States of America.

Secession IS American. Without it, the USA would not exist. The USA declared war to support Kosovo seceding from Serbia, VERY recently (1990′s), so it’s hypocrisy to say Texas can’t leave.

The US government justified backing Kosovo secession saying any people who vote to secede have the “right of self-determination” as guaranteed under UN charter. Also, Texas seceded from Mexico, so it wouldn’t be part of the USA today if it didn’t secede illegally.

I tried to apply at the whitehouse website to sign the petition and they said they would send an e-mail, but I got no response… Oh well..

Glenn, you’re wrong on this one my friend… half of this countries people that works or used to have a job before all this …can no longer provide for and support the insanity of the other half of the people in this country…
They divided us, they succeeded and now ..it is what it is…. 

Very well said Theresa!!!!

i’m as upset as anybody else. heck, I doubt barry was even re-elected legally w/out fraudulent activity… but I’m trying to decompress and focus on being a good Christian man b/c I’m not so sure ‘time is not short.’ Attorneys? like the ACLJ sounds good.

I feel ya’ but you’re preaching to the choir gap. I’ve been disgusted with not only barry from the get go, but billy before him and the assault on our beloved country/culture/economy that was apparent in the 90′s and has hit hyper drive in the last four years. the amoral dnc and their official spin machine, the American loathing media, suck consistently.

I encourage all  of you in favor of secession to put on your boots and get to work. There isn’t much time! Start organizing an effort, sign up all the governors who support you; form your own constitutional convention (start with the new first amendment; Only Christians can become citizens; no registered Democrats from the “old country” can be citizens; for that matter, no one who disagrees with “us”, whoever that may be, can be citizens); the new federal government shall have no taxing power; and Glenn Beck will be selected as the first leader of the new republic; he shall have the power of the beneficent dictator, because democracy results in the election of people who do not believe what we believe in. Get busy; i understand from comments below that citizens will be armed with assault weapons so that disputes can be solved in a manly fashion and the borders of this ubiquitous new country will be protected by nukes made in Texas. Get busy folks…get busy……  be sure to give St. Glenn some more fodder for his talk show.

meanwhile, back in the land of reality, the rest of us will be working with our elected Republicans in the Congress and state legislatures to bring about real changes to fiscal policy gone awry.

very cool. thanks. I remember Kevin Costner referencing it during his closing argument to the jury in JFK. The book of Ecclisiastes tells the reader that “there is nothing new under the sun.” the more things change, the more they stay the same..or some such..I dislike what is happening to the USA as much as anybody else. But, secession talk/civil unrest/ violent acts is likely playing into their hands. I hope we don’t see events like those take place.

When fifty-six
men signed our Declaration of Independence between August 2, 1776 and January
22, 1777, including two of our future presidents, three vice presidents, and
ten members of the United States Congress they knew it was a death warrant they
signed. That in the fixing of their signatures’ to that assertion of freedom
from tyranny they as well loudly avowed for all to hear their defiance of the British government.

All fifty-six signers were well educated …
they knew that by putting their names to a resolution that declared war on the
King, they were signing their lives, likely families and fortunes away . . .
but for the gain of liberty they did it anyway. Can we if we be men do any
less?

Twenty-four of the signers were lawyers and
jurists, eleven of them merchants, while nine were farmers and large plantation
owners.

And yes some of them did staunchly pay the
cost with their lives and all they had. Virginia landowner Carter Braxton, who
was one of the Commonwealth’s wealthiest men and a member of the Virginia
legislature, lost all his ships, sold his home and belongings to pay his debts,
and died poor.

Of the remaining fifty-six Founders who’d
signed the Declaration five were captured by the British as traitors and were then  tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes burned to the ground. Two
lost sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, and two more had sons captured.
Nine fought and died in the Revolutionary War.

So Beck If our ancestors adopted the kind of
cowardly thinking you imply then our Declaration never would have been signed. Instead we’d still be under the thumb of England and its slaves.

As a better man than I once
said: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of
chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may
take; but as for me, Give Me
Liberty or Give Me Death!”

Oh well! I signed my state’s! You wanna fight? Bring it. Because right now, my freedom and life the way it is SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE ‘UNITED STATES’ is threatened. Point.. blank… period.

Oh well! I signed my state’s!! You wanna fight? Bring it. Because right now my FREEDOM, LIBERTIES, RIGHTS, AND LIVELIHOOD IN THE ‘UNITED STATES’ are being threatened! Point….. blank….. period.

Our forefathers already thought about that when they gave us the right to bear arms and form militias. We just want to have our own country where we can keep living the way the American dream was when we were a White conservative protestant majority country, before the black civil rights movement and the Latino illegal aliens invasion.
Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Florida, are way past the 25,000 official threshold. Just let us be and form our own independent country. We don’t need to hate each other anymore, we don’t need to fight another Civil War. Fake conservatives like Beck need the hate or they won’t have listeners and will die from starvation. I am a founder of the Tea Party movement in my county, a Tea Party militia commander, and a Republican since before I was born and I won’t back off just because some hate-monger fake conservative is trying to scare us.
He can go live in the Yankee North then. Our new country won’t need people like him. We White Americans can form our own country; the Latinos, Blacks and Liberals can keep their own country too. They can get the East and West Coast, the Dakotas, the Great lakes, the old Oregon, we just want the South.
And they can keep Beck, and all the other fake conservative pundits to them as well. We won’t need them in the new America, as we will live in peace, prosperity and progress.

Keep voting for the Rinos. See how far that is going to get us.

 Mitt would not have been all that much better.

 Bush stuck us with Patriot act.

 When are you going to get that it is two sides of the same coin?

Why is it Stu is the only one who gets it?

Wasn’t he right on the election also?

Why give up? Try again

Here is another one we need to let our voices be heard on.

Amnesty is not immigration reform. If it gets 25,000 signature the White house by its own rules has to address you. Use their tools against them. Spread the link share it on FB.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/amnesty-not-immigration-reform/33SNW1gj

if you think cartels are bad in america wait till all the funding america gives the states to stop them dissappearing and all the cartels and drug synidicates moving in. i cant wait! its going to be a gold rush! im going to bring all my buddies who break out of the underfunded prisons that cost millions to operate and we are going to take over missouri. i would say texas but the cartels would take over texas in a week. rich white people dont fight. they never have. rich white people wont even give poor people healthcare but some how they are going to pick up a pitchfork and fight the united states of america? treason! its going to be fantastic! keep up the good work conservatives! lets divide america because you lost an election! real mature hahaha

If the Founding Fathers had been afraid to risk their all we would still be singing God Save the Queen!

When voter fraud by the Democrats is obvious and rampant, it steals the voice of all legitimate voters.  Apparently, voter fraud by the Democrats was obvious and rampant during this last election.

Sign the petitions. Make this your recount!!!

Vermont is the last state with less than 150 signatures lets help them out so they can let their voice be heard.

These petition need 150 signatures to get on the White House site for everyone to see.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-vermont-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/5j24C20f

Wouldn’t being subscribed to blaze tv put ya on a list?

karl rove was right obama won ohio! it was voter fraud!!! just like when clinton beat bush! and carter won! there has never been a democrat as president they have all been elected by voter fraud! i bet it was the same people who faked the moon landing! those sneaky democrats i bet they are all a bunch of jews and blacks and mexicans and even worse…LIBERAL ARTS GRADUATES!!!! 

Right now the Pres and Hillary are pushing a movement in the UN Assembly to ban hand guns—no one is taking my guns, also if someone writes or stands up to Obama, they get questioned by the SS–especially some famous people. He swore to protect and defend the Constitution and the people from all enemies foreign and domestic—-why is he and the US government suing Arizona, still—so at least 1st and 2nd amendment rights are being stripped, soon our sovereignty will go –he will sell us to the highest bidder (China, Russia, or somewhere in the Middle East.

I’m with you.  I refuse to be a citizen of this new U.S.S.A.

I believe in the constitution also, but when it is being corrupted it is time for action. You seem to forget that when the Constitution was written the states were soveriegn entities and the held fed no power, except that allowed by states. The fed wasn’t intended to be in charge of states, but the states were intended to be in charge of the fed. The fed is meant to deal with issues of interstate trade and defense of the republic as a whole, not dictate laws to the states. We have our representatives to combat this, but when they are part of the machine of tyranny, then peacefully leaving the tyranny is the best option when the tyrants themselves will not release their hold any other way.

Is this a joke?  The Constitution establishes that ALL persons have the right to equal protection under the laws.  The Civil Rights movement is the only thing that has saved this country from total blasphemy of that principle.  The 25,000 threshold is just the number required to get a response from the White House.  It doesn’t mean anything, legally.  It certainly doesn’t mean that .11 % of the population of Texas, through signing a petition, can now force the state to secede.  I am a Texan and I most certainly DO NOT want to be part of this imagined “white conservative protestant majority” country you suggest.  This whole idea is simply ridiculous.  The Supreme Court, the one composed of majority Republican nominees and the branch of government given the task per the Constitution, will protect and has always protected the Constitutional rights of the people when the government violates the Constitution. Even if I don’t agree with all of the Court’s decisions, which I don’t, it is clear that it takes its job as guardian of the Constitution seriously, and given that whoever has this job must be a human, and all we humans are inherently sinful and imperfect, they do as good of a job as any humans I can imagine putting together from all of the world’s population.  If Obama is violating The Constitution, or does violate it, the SCOTUS will protect the liberties of the people.  That’s, in fact, how the Jim Crow laws were finally overturned, because the SCOTUS said in Brown v. Board of Ed that Jim Crow laws VIOLATED people’s rights to equal protection under the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.  Texas is MY state too, sir, and you are not allowed under any far fetched version of the law to “take” it and force me to go live in “Yankee North.”  I am scared you may be capable of hate crimes.  And, FYI, I guarantee you sir that if the state of Texas voted, an overwhelming majority would vote against your “country” and secession.

I can’t recall the Founding Fathers asking the king of Englang to let them go free; they fought for that right. That’ts probably what it will take for any state to secede. It may come to that because the powers that be have gotten away with stealing the election and most likely, not the first time. They will do it again.

Wouldn’t those that didn’t, stay behind in England?

Don’t wait, get it done now.

Well said Kitty. Only a Christian understands this……I stand with that statement. Romans 1:18-36

Thank you for keeping Obama on his throne for another 4 years. You people who cut off your nose to spite your face are to blame for what will be coming. The only amoral partisan hack we see here is you, Devin. You clung to Libertarian Gary Johnson knowing what the result would be which makes YOU the amoral partisan hack, while others of us voted strategically to remove Obama, regardless of our party affiliation. What we did was not partisan at all – what you did was, amoral partisan hack.

Since you like cut/paste so much here is one for you:

“If there be any, as I hope there be none,
That would lese both his eyes to lese his foe one,
Then fear I there be many, as the world go’th,
That would lese one eye to lese their foes both.”
~~John Heywood A Dialogue Conteynyng Prouerbes and Epigrammes, 1562

 If you think Texas is full of rich white people, you don’t get out much. And if you think people who can no longer count on an honest election will sit still for it, you’re crazy.

 Just because “we didn’t build it” doesn’t mean we won’t defend it. (wink)

 Making light of it won’t make it go away, cupcake. Your free ride is still leaving town.

If they threw out the evidence it wouldn’t help. There was a pic on the web of (don’t remember where) that showed a pile of shredded ballots. It could barely be made out that Romney’s name was selected. Obviously these didn’t get counted. The military, instead of having to send their ballots back to the states, which end up not being counted for the most part, should be set up to count where they are, and the RESULTS conveyed to the states. As far as double voting goes, maybe we have to do like Iraq – ink soaked finger!

If you would have never sold out your principles…… excuse me, if you and your ilk ever had any principles to begin with, then Romney would have never been the nominee to begin with. Your strategy was based on people abandoning the Founding Principles to vote for a Progressive RINO that was no better than Obama. That was a pretty stupid strategy, especially when everyone said that there was no way RINO Romney could win to begin with. But then again, you never were that bright. It doesn’t matter if you drive the bus over the financial cliff at 45 mph or 70 mph, you are still going off the cliff.

The reason you had no problems “dropping” your partisanship and voting for a Republican is because he was a self admitted Progressive RINO with a track record to prove it.

It’s absolutely amazing that instead of promoting Conservatism and looking for the most Conservative Candidate to run in the 2014 election, you are still sitting here advocating people drop their principles and blame those who didn’t. It looks like you are preparing to promote RINO’s again for the next election, no?

You have no problems abandoning other peoples principles because they were never your principles. That is why you and your self-proclaimed philosopher friend think the Constitution is a living breathing document. After all, it’s a silly document that is based on principles you don’t think people should adhere to.

I’m sorry Sandie, but Noah Webster, Patrick Henry, George Washington, and the other American Patriots discussing our government and it’s elections still trump Englishman John Heywood’s general proverb and your blathering. Thanks for trying though. Here is two more back at you:

“Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.” –Benjamin Franklin

“[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws
will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto
any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” –Samuel Adams

It doesn’t look like Mr. Franklin and Mr. Adams agree with your position either. Super Ouch!

Do you feel like a gnat that just got smacked? You should.

Your Conservative Nemesis,

Devin

Well done, outstanding!

I’ve never seen that poem before, be assured I will use it in the future…

Thanks

It’s sad that it may come to that ink business, but something needs to be done. Biometric scans might work better on voter registration rolls. I am not sure that electronic voting machines can be made tamper-proof. Too many ways to engineer a back door, 2 for 1 votes, (2 for one candidate when 1 is cast for another) – default votes for incumbents when machine errors occur, there were plenty of these incidents. It might be better to make the paper ballot the standard, and use a template to count the individual marks like a lot of standardized tests do it.

If anyone destroyed ballots, that should be enough to order a new election, without campaigning. A straight re-vote would work and only if all measures taken met with auditor approved processes. We could do a lot to tighten the regulations for voting, the question is, will we?

You are an Idiot where in my post does it state that Christianity is the only religion in the U.S. I never said that but I will say that in my own opinion it is the only one in the U.S. that matters. I’m not a bible belt book toting Devout Christian but right is right. and out of all that I said the only thing you could find to comeback was about religious views, well explain the rest of it. But I do stand corrected on the popular vote I was wrong and only went off of what I had seen earlier before all votes were finally counted.

No, remember the Tories? They were “Loyalist” – they came here as colonists like everyone back then, but remained loyal to the British Crown. They didn’t want a revolution. During the American Revolution, many ran to Canada for fear of losing their life.

Not everyone who came here came for religious freedom like the Pilgrims and Puritans. The reasons they came varied. Some sought wealth in the form of gold, silver, fur, timber, or other natural resources. Some came to escape political persecution. Some debtors, rather than sit in a British cell, decided to go to America as indentured servants or work for those who paid their debts. Some families just came to seek a better life. Not everyone wanted to sever the ties with England.

No one wants to believe our President Obama is a 3rd generation Commi. His grandparents
were commi and his mom. His dad worked for a commi dictator in Africa. His religion was
black liberation theology which is communism & catholicism. To me, he doesn’t seem like
he loves this country or GOD one iota! He gave littlekids in MA The Little Black Book which
instructs middleschoolers how to have sex using all the orifices, devices & urination without
guilt. That doesn’t seem like a man that loves much of anything. I think it’s time people wake
up realize all channels but FOX, Cspan & religious networks are Liberal to Propaganda
& we need to stop voting for color and gender & pick the most qualified. You can’t take anyone
off the street and put them in the Whitehouse. The dems didn’t vet Mr. Obama, but somebody
did and my question is WHO?

Well hello there, I am surprised to see you here after you posted your signature “No Comment” to me. Though I am not surprised at all you don’t agree with the philosophy of our Founding Fathers. You agree more with that “brilliant philosopher”……….  Karl Marx is it?

“Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a
passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and
miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.” -John Adams

Thanks Sandie…you brought me back quite a number of years! Totally forgot my history.

Devin, you are too stupid for words. I never sold out my principles, I maintained them. From an amoral partisan hack like you, this mental diarrhea of yours is just that. I am not and never was registered as an affiliate of any party – Not Democrat, not Republican, not Libertarian etc. See if you can comprehend that. Therefore I have no blind loyalties to any, unlike you. My vote is strategic if it has to be – that is what smart people do. People of your ilk did what you did with your “Holier than Thou” air of superiority and what did it get you? LMAO what a friggin’ idiot!

“That was a pretty stupid strategy, especially when everyone said that there was no way RINO Romney could win to begin with.” Are you really that stupid? No, Devin “everyone” did not say that Romney couldn’t win. More said he could than couldn’t, and that is why half the country is so upset – or hadn’t you noticed, there in your own little delusional world?. By the same token, we all told you that Gary Johnson and Rand Paul could not win either, but you insisted on voting for the known biggest loser, blinders on in spite of reality. Sure we all wanted a good Conservative as the Republican nominee, unfortunately the party didn’t pick the best one, and everyone (except for a few in denial) knows that this is a two party game. Your inability to comprehend that shows you aren’t too bright.

I see you can’t resist responding. On the hook!… LMAO
Try to respond with something intelligent next time.
OUCH!ies on you too. Wow, Purveyor made a big impression on you, whether you want to admit it or not. LMAO! Your jealousy shows, Devin.

ROFLMAO!

NO COMMENT

You really should change your name to “No Comment” so you can remember not to.

Thank you, and you’re welcome.

“Mental diarrhea!” Ouch! Jesus God a-mighty what a horrid thought! All of my incoming and outgoing thoughts throughout my life, splashed across a room dripping with cosmic slime. My body, or what remains, now only bone, marrow and sinew, whirling, stumbling staggering to destruction! (Actually, I purloined a portion of that little piece from H.G. Wells)

Anyway, I was 8 years old, I think, when I heard about the wounded George Wallace having “diarrhea of the mouth” while in the hospital after Bremer shot him! I found the thought so appalling I ran to my mother for an explanation and reassurance?

Yecch!

NO COMMENT

He keeps on proving he is just another window licking bus rider… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQ1jcYlNn8

Or maybe this is more his speed –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d6UKUval3k

While I don’t completely agree with your characterization of Glenn and what he was saying, I loved your summary of the situation for the fifty-six signers of the Declaration. So often we take for granted that which has been dearly won at the cost of the lives of patriots. Thank you for taking the time to write this.

Ink would probably be much cheaper than biometrics.
Yes, electrical/computer voting is bad news. This link shows testimony from a programmer who talks about how it can be easily done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas&sns=em

Tea Party militia?! What are you talking about?! You sound like a white Louis Farrakhan. The Tea Party is not a paramilitary organization and it welcomes ALL races. I don’t know what you are running wherever you are, but you sound nothing like any Tea Party member I have ever heard. In fact, your words are very much like what I have heard ultra-leftists use as characterization of Tea Partiers. I don’t know whatever rock you crawled out from under, but you are no conservative and you are no Tea Party representative. At least not from any Tea Party that I have ever seen. Never once have I ever seen Neo-Nazi separatists at any Tea Party gathering. If this is what you think it’s about, form your own organization and stop using the name. Race was NEVER what it has been about.

It happens, so we help refresh memories.

I would also reply to Bruce that each and every time that Obama picks up a pen and, through either executive order or “policy change”, we all suffer from the degradation of the Constitution through precedent. Liberals have been praising Obama for refusing to defend the Defense Of Marriage Act. They claim that he’s courageous for circumventing the other two branches of government in order to get his way. They cheer the destruction of the Constitution, somehow believing that no conservative would ever dare to do the same. A true conservative wouldn’t. The Constitution specifically orders the president, by oath, to defend the laws legally enacted by Congress. It does not allow him ANY wiggle room for ignoring laws he doesn’t like, while encouraging liberal thugs to bring suits against the government, practically guaranteeing a win through attrition. Yet, Bruce, how would liberals scream if a conservative president pulled the same stunt with Roe v. Wade? How would they scream if Obamacare were simply overturned by dictatorial “policy change”? Does that make the conservative any less courageous? Now, the president is trying to do another end run around the Senate and US law by bowing to international legislation introduced by Hilary Clinton through the UN that seeks to disarm the citizens of a nation. No matter the indignant protestations of the liberal perpetrators that their intentions are “benevolent”, it is a direct assault on civil rights of the citizens of the nation through executive caveat in place of Constitutional amendment. Soon, Obama will claim that they are simply bowing to the will of the “world” in disarming the US and trampling the Constitution, as he has done in the Middle East. He would like nothing more than to remove legal gun ownership from the hands of the American citizenry. I don’t care if his intentions are benign. It is impossible to conceive of his “good intentions” as a leader when he has so amply and profoundly expressed his contempt for the Constitution each and every time that he stands on the wrong end of the limitations of his power. The facts are indisputable. Rarely do those who legally own guns commit crimes. Yet, these are the only weapons that he has access to. Whether his intentions truly are pure (and I do not for a single second believe that), there is simply nothing to stop the government from moving against the citizens when those who actively exercise their rights to keep and bear arms are labeled criminals for doing so. Even the naive who claim they are being oh, so reasonable, by supporting a ban only on “assault weapons” do not seem to realize that the one that is allowed to define what constitutes an assault weapon can ban ANY firearm because they are ALL possible assault weapons, depending on who is using them and for what purpose. In a single generation we have watched our children undergo systematic brainwashing in publics schools that is designed to turn them against their parents and align themselves with the aims of government., which inevitably, inexorably hordes power. It matters little what Obama and Hilary want. It makes no difference if liberals chafe at the governmental constraints placed on it by the constitution. The rights of the people are not only those that are contained in the Bill of Rights. The Constitution recognizes the “inalienable” nature of God-given rights, not codified rights. None of us can afford to cheer whenever either side gains the power to limit the rights of the other. What can be used against your enemy can be used against you when the fortunes change.

Like I said, try to respond with something intelligent next time. Apparently it’s past time for your meds.

Nurse! This patient needs help!

“Men must be ready, they must pride themselves and be happy to sacrifice their private pleasures, passions and interests, nay, their private friendships and dearest connections, when they stand in competition with the rights of society.” –John Adams

You can try to rationalize your amoral decisions all you want with your relativism but the fact remains that you go against the Founding Principles. I understand they are foreign to you and you are incapable of ever understanding them, so you attempt Paramoralism to deceive others into coming over to your perverse way of thinking. Mr. Sophistry (Purveyor of Pious Baloney) and yourself have demonstrated this mental defect in certain people so adequately.

http://enpsychopedia.org/index.php/Paramoralism

Call me whatever names you want, that’s what we have come to expect from your kind, especially when your veil has been removed.

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.” –John Adams

Actually, while I agree with most of what you wrote, Brianna, the SCOTUS has NOT always defended liberty. In 1896, the Supreme Court handed down the infamous decision on Plessy v. Ferguson. This is where the concept of “separate but equal” came from and it is what was codified by law that directly led to segregation. This decision remained the law of the land until 1954, when another Supreme Court reversed the decision in Brown v. Board of Education. We can never take for granted that ANY governmental entity is going to do what is right when faced with what is expedient. Case in point-the recent decision handed down by the Supreme Court on Obamacare. Even during arguments before the court, Obama’s attorney’s argued that the requirement to buy insurance was not a tax. Then, completely unexpectedly, John Roberts tipped the balance in favor of the president by inexplicably calling the requirement a tax. Even Justice Kennedy was completely aghast at this idiocy and he is one of the more liberal members of the court. I would urge you to examine these cases and realize that no one, liberal OR conservative, can ever become complacent and trusting. So long as humans are fallible, they will make decisions according to a personal differential that often is influenced more by the lust for money, power or…lust than by what is right and lawful. Very good arguments, though, Brianna.

Wow, I wish that I had thought that up. I couldn’t have said it better!

Your reaction to the mental diarrhea made me laugh! I hope you are OK. Did you notice? Devin can’t admit it, but you must have had a considerable effect on him. He is posting with OUCH!es now! LMAO! He doesn’t know how to use them effectively though – farcical really. He also doesn’t have a handle on how to use quotes – he goes nuts with his cut/paste, cut/paste, cut/paste. Too funny. What a mental image it creates of him. I can’t help but laugh at the guy. I know, I know… it’s not nice to laugh at them. I just see his reactions – so off the wall and desperate, delusional thinking, manufactured nonsense, pointing fingers while his flaws and defective thinking hang out for all to see, yet he is unaware. The guy is a real mess. He’s on the hook. When I tire of batting him around like a little mouse I will give him a rest, but when he comes back out again and runs in front of me, well, then he’s asking for it.

Those calling for secession are not understanding the pandora box they are trying to open( the attempt itself is not the right legal path for secession is another issue) —- Political—- Clearly not everyone in these states want to secede, some people for their own selfish interests , want to form their own nation,,, good luck with the diverse people in your new nation , who didn’t want it in the first place…
Technology— All federal defense, and other technologies are US property and will be taken back from the seceding states 
Security — All national security agencies, and the CIA and the FBI will not be available to these states,,,creating a security vaccum there
Diplomacy — the current global diplomatic equation is with the United states of america,,, not with say ” texas” 
Personal— families which are living in different parts of the country, will either loose their jobs or seperated , depending on the relationship between the US and the seceding state..all federal benefits will be lost 
Employment —- all federal employees in the seceding state will be fired as they will no longer be US citizens 
and finally… ‘
Economy — This may become ugly for both US and the seceding state,,,, the global economy is in recession,,, but the dollar is still considered as a benchmark currency, if some states start seceding, then investor confidence in dollar will decrease, probably taking it off the benchmark status, and we don’t have any other country except china which is showing stable performance,,,,,,, we may have to go back to the gold standerd, but it is going to be a very messy transition  One more thing, if the investor confidence in dollar decreases, the money goes out of US, and it is not coming in any of the seceding state any time sooner… with an already panicking global community,, it is not a good time to start a new nation,,,, as the funds are simply not available,, even if you produce,,, there are not much customers… 

LOL, the version by Werid Al Yankovic reminds me of posting in here when the lefties hop in!

Like I said, try to respond with something intelligent next time. I know you depend on quotes to try to bolster your misguided thoughts and misinterpretations, but you continue to spout the same delusional crap thinking you have some incite into peoples thoughts and assume you know what is in their hearts. You are clueless Devin. Continue on in your fantasy land. Repeating your fixation doesn’t make your case because it is false. You can’t get out of your mental prison so enjoy yourself in there. I don’t have to rationalize anything – that is your schtick. You will probably never understand it because you are an amoral partisan hack who sees things through your astigmatic mental lens. Keep trying, you’re getting nowhere as usual. LMAO!

Devin, there is a difference between believing in and respecting Founding Principles and moronically, blindly following them to ones own detriment. You embody the latter. That is your problem, you cannot discern the difference because you do not operate in reality. Take your meds.

its because we don’t do the voteing voting any more ,that dam electro collage,yes communisim has taken our voting rights away from us. Better yet in the united states it’s called the rich have taken all our rights away from us.

I want to sign up, and I have friends to sighn up ,where do we sign at?I am in michagan

My Dearest Arch Villain Sandin,

You are what you are, it’s ok. Don’t you feel better that you don’t have to hide it anymore? Everything is out in the open, you are not a Conservative or a Republican and rightfully so if I may add. You don’t have to live that lie anymore, isn’t that great? Maybe now you can start letting go of all that hate and learn to love life again? Don’t be a hater Sandie.

Sorry princess I gotta go now. Take care! Hugs and kisses! Peace out! Until next time!

Your Conservative Nemesis,

Devin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlL5RcJWNPE

Still nothing intelligent, just more delusional nonsense. Devin, I haven’t been “hiding” anything, nor am I living a lie. Whatever mental issues you have that make you imagine these things is your problem. If you are off your meds, get back on them. If they are not helping, go get help and see if your Psychiatrist can prescribe something that will work better.
Hate? I don’t hate – that is your thing. You don’t hold the importance that would be required for me to experience that emotion about you. You are that bug that hit’s the windshield.. LMAO

Wonderfully graphic! I have to finish reading your V saga when I get a breather. I did read your posts and appreciate your feedback, entertaining thoughts is all I have time for at the moment!

You will know them by their works,not their words.
A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.

no he hasnt. thats why some left wing people dont like obama because he hasnt changed that it yet. he hasnt touched it. so buy your guns its not a issue

We need to not only get rid of the whole administration but some senators & reps as well. there had to be massive voter fraud again this time, with all that happened in the last 4 years there is no way this traitor should have won & senators as well. We need to go after them for failing to uphold &defend the constitution in which they swore to protect & defend from all enemies foreign & domestic ( the UN & themselves). they are slowly taking away free speech ( with political correctness) now they want to comply with a treaty that takes away our 2nd amendment rights (global gun ban). does this sound like treason to you?  

State Secession 2012 – A full list of all states/stats/links to petitions in one location http://jpsmithdesigns.com/state-petitions

Yes, more examples of your relativism. We understand that you hate principles because they stop people from following your amoral desires.

Wake up, you crossed a line. You mealy mouth moderates pushed for a RINO Progressive and alienated a large portion of the base in the process. You people are always so eager to “compromise” with the left but fight Conservatism tooth and nail. The only reason most people held their nose and voted for the loser was out of fear. Which is what people like you use as a tool.

“Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and
miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.” -John Adams

Sadly you don’t believe or respect the Founding Principles because you deny them in every other breath. Anyone that thinks the Constitution is a living breathing document like you and your sophist idol, is not grounded in the Founding Principles. That is only you trying to re-establish a paramoral tie to others.

“There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path” -Morpheus

Lastly, you little comment about me blindly following the Founding Principles is nothing shocking coming from an amoral partisan hack such as yourself. Where ever the truth leads, I shall follow. The truth led me these Founding Principles, not by whim but by research and listening to God’s words. It is so sad to see a fellow human being deny such God given truths for their own amoral lifestyle. That is your choice and you will have to answer for that in time like everyone else.

I and others will always be here to fight what you represent and your convoluted “reasoning”. You truly are a deviant.

Your Conservative Nemesis,

Devin

“For this World passes away and the fashion thereof, but he that doeth the Will of God abideth forever! For the things which are seen are temporal–just for a little time–and the things which are not seen are eternal!” (1Jn.2:17; 2Cor.4:18)

Hebrews 11:23-29
Moses

23-29 It was by faith that Moses was hidden by his parents for three months after his birth, for they saw that he was an exceptional child and refused to be daunted by the king’s decree that all male children should be drowned. It was also by faith that Moses himself when grown up refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. He preferred sharing the burden of God’s people to enjoying the temporary advantages of alliance with a sinful nation. He considered the “reproach of Christ” more precious than all the wealth of Egypt, for he looked steadily at the ultimate, not the immediate, reward. By faith he led the exodus from Egypt; he defied the king’s anger with the strength that came from obedience to the invisible king. By faith Moses kept the first Passover and made the blood-sprinkling, so that the angel of death which killed the first-born should not touch his people. By faith the people walked through the Red Sea as though it were dry land, and the Egyptians who tried to do the same thing were drowned.

Perhaps if you came to understand these passages, you might understand where people that stand by their morals and principles come from and why we don’t abandon them?

Interesting seeing that I have never seen a psychiatrist unlike someone (if not more) in you group that is currently seeing one now. One of your biggest mistakes was running with his “analysis”. Your gang has been operating off a sycophant’s faulty premise because you all wanted to believe it and don’t care about the truth. Of course in your amoral world, anybody that believes in God and morals is crazy. Talk about the inmates running the asylum in your gang. Hows your recruitment going for more partisan hacks who wish to learn the ways of trolling?

You sad attempt to smear me with these lies shows exactly what you are, an amoral partisan hack.

Your Conservative Nemesis in Truth,

Devin

“[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws
will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto
any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” –Samuel Adams

I believe that the reason we have lost 3 Generals and 1 Admiral have been kicked to the curb is because the administration knows that they wouldn’t go along with what is coming when Obama finally shows his true colors…..

Coward. The CW was not about slavery. Take a college level history class. Good job voting for a Kenyan.

Glenn,

I no longer listen to you and your sniveling piggy coward ass. Get on the right side of history or get out of the way.

You used to be OK . . . now? . . . the carbon in your body would have been better used on my BBQ grill. OH! Get out of Texas please you sniveling, spineless, sack-less, legless jellyfish and take that idiot Stu with you and go back to NY where you belong you freakin’ operative.

thank you slkgej6–very eloquently said–I still favor impeachment and it certainly looks as if the Congress (at least the House) is leaning that way also. Our states also have their rights and Obama and his henchmen are doing their level best to make an end run around them—I did not sign on to live in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia—I want the USofA back with her Constitution and liberty intact.

Devin, you delusional twit, it is not a matter of relativism. Apparently you have a severe cognitive bias issue. Also, your impaired connection to reality isn’t helping. Your persistent dependency on cut/paste, cut/paste, cut/paste to present yourself is telling. Take your meds,

Are you cutting/pasting your “cut/paste, cut/paste, cut/paste”? Maybe you should start quoting yourself like your significant other.

“cut/paste, cut/paste, cut/past” -Sandin 2012

LOL

Again, instead of an intelligent response you provide more of your psychotic diatribe. Not one word you said was true, and everyone knows it. You are so far out in left field with your comments it is pathetic. I can understand you are comfortable in your world of make believe, but it is not good for you. If you really have never seen a psychiatrist then you should. Or maybe you are so delusional that you forgot.

Once again, congratulations on keeping Obama seated on his throne for another 4 more years. Your strategy, or I should say lack of strategy and stubbornness you disguise as principles assured his re-election. It is lame for you to blame others of your inanity and inability to field a candidate in place of Romney. He was the pick by vast majority of the party, and any one in their right mind knows that in a basically 2 party system, a third part candidate will not win. Apparently logic is not your strong suit either. Probably not any suit for you.

Oh my, only one cut/paste this time? Did you lose your handy little file of quotes to use for all the wrong occasions?

How sad but amusing your sign off is. It shows that you have a very distorted self image. Get help and take your meds.

What a whiner.

I am not obsessed with using quotes to make a point like you try to do. You continue to display your disorder by quoting something I wrote and attributing it to someone else. You could at least get that right. LOL

Devin, your misplaced jealousy is showing again over some fantasy you have.

Now since this is all you have to do, and since I will not allow you to monopolize my time, you will have to wait for your next response from me. I will do that at MY whim and for my amusement. By all means post away – get it all out so you don’t hurt yourself. But you will have to wait.

He sure is. Family Jewels – I was thinking that when I saw it too. He may as well have said his name was Scrotum, it would have fit better. Ahhhh! LOL.

You will have to do more than just make accusations. Please list and describe how I have used these quotes “for all the wrong occasions”.

“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look at his character. It is alleged by men of loose principles, or defective views of the subject, that religion and morality are not necessary or important qualifications for political stations. But the scriptures teach a different doctrine. They direct that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds, breaches of trust, speculations and embezzlements of public property which astonish even ourselves; which tarnish the character of our country and which disgrace our government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he not only sacrifices his own responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.” –Noah Webster

How did I take the Honorable Mr. Noah Webster out of context when it was about elections and voting? It is clear what you advocate for, and where it has led is not good. We don’t base our vote on who you are going to vote for and that is what really annoys the hell out of you.

You can attack me all you wants to deflect how far you have strayed from the path but it won’t change the fact reality. It was your choice to leave and it has always been your choice to return. You only have to seek atonement and start doing the right thing. Remember, it is never to late to start doing the right thing.

Prayers be with you,

Devin

“Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.” –Patrick Henry

Then I won’t hold my breath to wait for your evidence. I suspected as much none the less.

Who did I attribute your quote to? I don’t recall attributing it to someone else?

Too true…

People have alqways told me don’t listen to glenn because he is controled op. I am starting to believe it.
It is just a protest glenn. A chance for everyone who didn’t vote because they hate the options they were given.

Sorry if you didn’t think of it first

You know many countries separated like Soviet Union and Europe will break down to. Yes, US is a lot more homogenous but so were Czechs and Slovaks yet they peacefully split. Scotland is thinking about it and so Belgian Flemish. Neither can claim complete ownership to the technology and so on. The split might happen naturally once the scale tips towards minorities and level of country goes down- I mean they have humongous school drop out rates and if they become majority then chances are US will be like Latin America or US transforms dramatically.  South America is also changing from very developed to low level once apartheid was abolished, good for them but once the whites are leaving it is turning into typical Africa
It is very scary but if things get very bad everything is possible and better be ready for that possibility.

This was a true grass roots protest started by a handfull of people who like the louisiana petition and said let’s support him and get this nation wide.

No gov think tank, no talking heads in the media, just us.
We the people.

I generally have very low opinion about libs but I must say they are preparing their each step long before they take it. I am sure they vetted Obama and he fits them well. They chose unknown senator with not much past even as a lawyer, did not do much a senator so digging to what he said would’ve been hard. Romney was easy target he said this and said that. Of course he did, he has been around for some time. Each Obama’s appearance is carefully crafted so that he talks but says nothing- he almost burned himself with police and black professor situation. Try to catch this guy, ha, he will say he said “acts of terror”. They put enough ambiguous words into his all speeches to give him plenty of wiggle room. I am telling you, this people know what they are doing

Glenn!!!! Listen up Glenn. Glenn you are nothing more than a cut rate coward and phoney. You have been fooling patriots for a long time, but you show your colors time and time again you fraud you. Go away Glenn, we don’t need you or want you you worthless coward you. You and the little girls that do your pathetic radio show should get up and move out of the way. Take your estrogen pills with you you feminized quisling. You were always in it for yourself, and never a true patriot. Just another scumbag neocon liar who also shows just how dumb and uneducated you are everyday. You’re an embarrassment Glenn. Glenn, you are a coward. Glenn unlike you, real patriots (again, you aren’t in this category, can’t emphasize that enough), we don’t have a security detail and charge hundreds of dollars for a garbagecan speech or rip people off with half-axe gold companies and stupid neo-con books. Go away Glenn, you just make the patriots in this country look bad. I don’t even have words to express how much of a coward I really think you are.

Glen,You haven’t been appointed our leader so shut the hell up. We are not waiting for you to give us marching orders. Are we to be silent because King Obama might get mad?

The odds of getting your state to secede are slim at best, but there may be another option for those who want a change and to live in a better and more productive environment.

 http://www.atlantisthenation.org/ is an organization dedicated to creating a new nation that will benefit not only its citizens, but the entire human race.  Starting a new country isn’t easy, but it’s not impossible.

Its really easy for Glenn  to sit there and call peoples ideas stupid, when half the tyrannical material he spews makes people want to rip there hair out in fear and anger….. what a hypocrit

 If you don’t love this country then go back to Europe.

You want to secede? Good-Bye! Get out of my country!  You guys lost the civil war and the last election. get the hell out if you don’t like it!

If Obama and crew use the signatures to revoke citizenship or otherwise target people, it will pretty much ensure civil war instantainiously.

It is self evident. Go back and look at what you typed to see.

I didn’t make any accusations, I just stated the facts.

You said ” Please list and describe how I have used these quotes “for all the wrong occasions”. ” .. Devin Reality check. I never said you used them for all the wrong occasions. I was jokingly labeling your debate tool: as in “Quotes for All the Wrong Occasions”. Is that clear enough for you? When one debates, using some historic figures quotes is trifling. If you can’t speak for yourself and have to pass things off to quotes, don’t bother responding.

In any event, congratulations at 4 more years of Obama. Your strategy worked.

Then back your facts up.

“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate — look at his character. It is alleged by men of loose principles, or defective views of the subject, that religion and morality are not necessary or important qualifications for political stations. But the scriptures teach a different doctrine. They direct that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds, breaches of trust, speculations and embezzlements of public property which astonish even ourselves; which tarnish the character of our country and which disgrace our government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he not only sacrifices his own responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.” –Noah Webster

Devin, any facts I presented were. Since you have a bias and comprehension problem, and since you have offered nothing intelligent here yet again but anther quote to cover your lackings and fill up space, I will refrain from any further comment except to say again, congratulations on 4 more years of Obama. Your strategy worked. Your inability to think critically and your lack of logic is outstanding. You must be proud.

Glenda Beckster wants to be your Nanny. She’s jealous of Barracchio.
Yes Glenda, there must be a serious disruption in the crime syndicate that runs America.
Step up or shut up.

In lieu of secession, why not a constitutional convention as outlined in Article 5 of the Constitution, in order to re-establish our Constitution and deal with the corrupt government that no longer represents the interests of the citizenry of the United States?

im actually crying because this is the most hilarious thing ive possibly ever seen in the political world.

If you don’t like the country, please just leave. Trying to detach states and start a new government is so unfair to those who don’t want it.

Sandin, check your oxygen tank, your brain doesn’t seem to be getting enough oxygen. You have not presented any facts, only the fallacious rantings of a psychotic woman.

Your debating “skills” are eerily reminiscent of one Nancy Pelosi, pathetic and none existent. Your sad attempts to torture logic and reason to succumb to your perverse way of thinking is a sign of your intellectual dishonesty, among other things. The vote I cast is for the person I voted for, not who you profess it’s for. Once again, this is all about me not voting for who YOU want. Wake up and stop living in your delusional world that Mittens was the prophesied savior of this Nation. Mitt is a corporatist and no better than Obama, of course you know this but don’t care being the partisan hack you are.

It’s so disgusting the way you people have no problems “compromising” with the Left but fight Conservatives tooth and nail to marginalize them. Once again this falls back to you not believing in principles and morals in the first place. What a sick twisted woman you must be, I hope people have enough common sense to keep their children away from you.

By your own admission, you are not a Republican or Conservative so go back to your “No Labels Party” where you belong. You are a political parasite who infiltrates parties and destroys them from the inside (a fifth column)because you are amoral and clueless.

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.” –John Adams

I will give you credit, you do seem to understand that the Constitution is wholly inadequate for you type of people. That would explain why you view it as a “living, breathing document” because it must change for an amoral population which you are helping propagate. Whether through ignorance or by design I do not care, you are still doing it.

So sad you will refrain from commenting further to me, I was so enjoying the ridiculous spectacle you were making out of yourself.

Your Conservative Nemesis,

Devin

Ps, When you start learning from the quotes, I will stop posting them to you. It’s obvious your real problem with them is you hate the message within.

“The descent to Hell is easy and those who begin by worshiping power soon worship evil.” –C.S. Lewis

3 reasons why secession won’t work

I can see why so many are upset after the elections. There is the sense that
government is not responsive to our real needs and desires.

But there are 3 reasons why secession won’t work.

1. The first is because it will NOT resolve the problem.

2. The second reason is the fact that a state is not a nation.

3. The third reason is that most people do not identify with a state as they
do with the nation.

Like it or not, we Americans identify with America because it is our native
land with a common history and culture. 
We are proud to be American.

Secession is a superficial, knee-jerk, dead-end reaction that masks the real
problem.  The real solution is to
identify and address the root cause and deeper solution to our problems, which
is done by the author John Horvat II in his article A Case Against Secession at
http://www.ReturnToOrder.org

That’s because he dares to be stupid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9YRgaVomZ4&feature=related

If anyone is planning succession, they need to make sure they will succeed.

Who is Sandin?, Is it supposed to be cute that you distort the name of the person to whom you are addressing your nonsense? It would certainly fit with that style of your childish nonsense then I guess.

Devin, your inability to read and comprehend what I posted is your problem. You can mischaracterize it any way you want. It still doesn’t get you anywhere.

Your inability to debate on subject, and lame attempt to denigrate your opponent is typical and does not speak well of you.

Devin, you said “You are a political parasite who infiltrates parties and destroys them from the inside (a fifth column)because you are amoral and clueless.”
…. Man, you are beyond clueless. That kind of thought process that you just displayed shows a really fractured mindset – totally disconnected to reality and any form or normalcy in the population in which you live.

You see, dear delusional Devin, my strategy and that of so many others who fear for our country was to unseat Obama at any cost, even if we couldn’t get our own “fair haired boy”. actually shows that I/we hold the character and principles of our Founders, because they too used strategy to do what had to be done to make us a free country. This is something you should know, but unfortunately you don’t. That is your cross to bear when you finally wake up and realize what you have done, should that reality ever hit you.

You see, Devin, not everyone is headstrong and childish as you are. They weigh their battles and plot . What ever you do, don’t ever go into the military and try to ascend in rank. You would never make it – you are a natural born loser from what you have shown here. Just accept it and move on. You can’t even read and comprehend what is in writing before your biased delusional eyes.

I thought you were going to refrain from any further comment? Not surprising, I knew you wouldn’t be able to refrain yourself, but I digress…

Now lets address your hypocritical claims.

“Is it supposed to be cute that you distort the name of the person to whom you are addressing your nonsense? It would certainly fit with that style of your childish nonsense then I guess.” –Sandie

Why don’t you tell me. You are the one that lumped me in with your list of leftist trolls and have distorted my name in the past so spare me the fake vitriol. Curious how you try to play the victim card like a certain other group.

“I/we hold the character and principles of our Founders, because they too used strategy to do what had to be done to make us a free country.” –Sandie

Unfortunately you do not, once again you and your cohort believe the Constitution is a “living breathing document”. You think principles and morals are to be disregarded whenever they interfere with “YOUR” strategies. I have already been down this road with you, perhaps you should trying reading instead of bloviating all the time.

What good is your strategy if people have to sell their soul to win? What is it “we” are fighting for again? Your arguments sound like something the Devil himself would make.

Did you know that psychotic people cannot comprehend morals? Just saying.

What’s highly amusing is how you say the dumbest things and think it’s so witty which automatically wins you the argument. All of your accusations and excuses are pathetic rehashed remarks that don’t hold water and wins you nothing.

As for the rest of your post(s), nothing but worthless opinions of an amoral partisan hack that is not worth responding to. Perhaps you should learn to use, “no comment” also?

“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” –Mark Twain

Yes, Devin, I did refrain as I had other things to do in my life than respond to you right away. You obviously have a problem in relating to people if you couldn’t discern something so simple.

“Why don’t you tell me. You are the one that lumped me in with your list of leftist trolls….” blah blah blah… you still haven’t answered the question. But I expected that you would avoid it as you are a devious and dishonest person.

As to the rest of your pathetic repeated diatribe, you continue to bring nothing forward of any value or logic. You persist in keeping your head in the sand while you shout “principles, principles” while the emperor beheads you. Any other superfluous crap you try to dredge up to distract is like a smoke screen. We see through it Devin. You will not win the points so dear to you by continuing this nonsense. If you truly want to put a “libertarian” into the WH, you better get busy on it instead of flapping your gums and spieling your empty crap here, because you only have 4 more years to do it. If you fail again it is on you.

Now, if you think I am a partisan hack, (which is actually what you have proven yourself to be) and you feel I am not worth responding to as you claim in your post, then why continue? LMFAO! Because you can’t help it, because you are hooked. Because you know that no matter how many times you say those delusional dishonest things about me that you might still get someones attention.

What’s wrong Devy, did your girlfriend dump you?

There again, you have a comprehension problem. I told you it would be at MY leisure. And it is.

Who are you people and what world are you living in?

Kitty, lol are you serious?  President Obama was born in Hawaii.  His mother was from Kansas and father Kenya, but last time I checked that still makes him American.  And who are you people?  Where do you get your information?  With all the resources we have today you choose to spread lies and fear.  All of you need to get with the program and realize it is 2012, not 1860!

“Is it supposed to be cute that you distort the name of the person to whom you are addressing your nonsense? It would certainly fit with that style of your childish nonsense then I guess.” –Sandie

Thank you for proving further evidence on how hypocritical you are. You write that but can’t help but continue distorting my name by calling me “Devy” like you have in the past. You have to be one of the most incompetent partisan hacks out there.

Unlike you Sandie, I believe in a higher cause.

“It is better to live for something than to die for nothing.”

While I am willing to fight for my principles and die for them, you on the other hand are willing to capitulate on everything that secures “our” liberty to avoid having to make a stand for something you have never believed in. You are just another partisan hack (useful idiot) to the RINO Establishment, or are you a political hack also?

It is clear you have a reading comprehension problem. I am not a Libertarian, I am a Conservative and have made that abundantly clear. I followed principle and voted for the best candidate running which happened to be Fmr. Republican Governor Gary Johnson. It is not my fault that you couldn’t do the same.

Your whole “logic” is based on polls. We are all supposed to listen to the polls and vote for the people that the corrupt media tells us to. In other words according to you, since the rest of the lemmings like you are running off the cliff, I have to be stupid and join with them and you. No thanks, you are going to have to keep destroying this country without my help.

Your polls said Romney was going to win in a landslide, they were wrong. If everybody would focus on doing what is right, not what other people are doing, we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. You like your cohort always make the mistake of starting with a false premise and then can’t fathom why your conclusions are always wrong. It’s because you were wrong to begin with. Get a clue.

The Democrats biggest mistake was calling their mandated health-care bill, “Obama-Care”. If they were smart they would have called it “Romney-Care”. Then all the useful idiots such as yourself would be hailing it as the greatest thing since Apple Pie.

“Now, if you think I am a partisan hack, (which is actually what you have proven yourself to be) and you feel I am not worth responding to as you claim in your post, then why continue?” –Sandie

There you go again, I said “as for the rest of your post”. I would suggest you seek help for your reading comprehension problem but there is an old saying, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks”.

I can ask you the same question, “why continue?”. You have claimed I am ignorant, delusional etc etc… but you still keep coming back. It’s because I am a threat to your RINO Establishment and know exactly what kind of despicable people you and your group is. By the way, how is the recruitment going for new partisan hacks so you can train them in the ways of trolling? Your numbers keep diminishing and your “A” team is pretty shaky. Not looking good Sandie, I would have thought that a master strategist and chess player such as yourself would have the most successful Troll Gang on the internet. Something is wrong there and my guess would be that you are not that good at strategy or chess. You do have a penchant for cockamamie schemes that never pan out. That is not just my opinion either, maybe you should go read some of your old emails to refresh your “failing memory”.

The longer you talk, the more you expose yourself for the twisted creature that you really are. I pray that one day you may see the light and find your moral compass, but I am not hopeful by what you have demonstrated so far.

I must have had a great impact on you, all you do is rewrite what I say and try to twist it to conform to your insane “logic”. Unfortunately you are a bad carbon copy that lacks originality and a coherent thought pattern. Typical of a RINO hack trying to blend in and co-opt Conservatism.

“What’s wrong Devy, did your girlfriend dump you?” –Sandie

What does that have to do with the subject at hand and how is that any of your business? It’s quite obvious where your mind is at and it’s not about the truth or morality. Is that all that’s left in your arsenal are these kind of pathetic attacks? That was a rhetorical question by the way, it is quite obvious the answer to that.

“Since private and publick Vices, are in Reality, though not always apparently, so nearly connected, of how much Importance, how necessary is it, that the utmost Pains be taken by the Publick, to have the Principles of Virtue early inculcated on the Minds even of children, and the moral Sense kept alive, and that the wise institutions of our Ancestors for these great Purposes be encouraged by the Government. For no people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.” –Samuel Adams

Your sinking Sandie and like a drowning victim you are trying to take the rest of us with you. Instead of reaching up towards the light to pulling yourself out, you are demanding everyone join you in the darkness.

Your Conservative Nemesis,

Devin

Funny excuse but old and tired like you.

Geez Devin, stop your incessant whining.

I have spoken out and was harshly condemned for it, even threats. What this means is, I have to fight harder as I am fighting not only for whats right but for those who because of fear or ignorance won’t fight. Remember  ”IF you believe yourself a patriot deserving liberty and freedom but never willing to bear arms against your government Then you don;t deserve freedom nor liberty.” 

You are one to talk about whining. You follow Strtlk with your incessant whining about things that happened long ago. Get over it and move on, nobody cares about your little feuds.

So how about you stop whining and mind your own business for a change? At least you finally decided to “man” up by posting directly to me instead of just talking rudely about me to your fellow goons in the thread.

Out of curiosity, why is it that nobody in your little gang can ever handle anybody one on one?

You’re a paranoid whiner. No friends jewels?

Switching socks again SoThere? I don’t need any more proof how amoral you are, you have demonstrated that beyond a doubt.

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Not everyone is as stupid as you SoThere.

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Not everyone is as stupid as you SoThere.

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LMFAO

He’s all yours Granny. Funny stuff.

You ok SoThere? You seem to be hysterical.

Thanks.

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He’s kinda slow Granny. Funny stuff. LMAO

Are you lonely Devin? I’m sorry but I’m not into your brand of nonsense. Who the hell would want to post to you? Same crap every day. Day after day. I agree with guest, you’re a whiner.

You have a nice day, ya hear?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha

Who?

SoThere, you obviously want to post to me since Sandie couldn’t hack it. You really are not that bright are you?

Glad to hear that you agree with yourself. That makes all the difference in the world.

I’m not interested Devin. Another ID I see. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

SoThere, it’s the same ID the last time you posted your nonsense to me. Your memory must be slipping.

It’s hard to believe that a guy who is a moderator could be one of the biggest trolls on the internet. Grow up and get a life, Jimmy.

Boo Hoo. I’m not interested. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Nice name, I like it. Are you a moderator here?

Noooo. He has me confused with someone else at another site. I wasn’t a moderator there, I just know the owner.

SoThere,
Please don’t cry, it will be alright. Why don’t you go track Strtlk down and start whining about all the bad things he did to you long long ago. That always seems to make you feel better.

Since you don’t want to grow up then I will be the bigger MAN and walk away. I’m done with you partisan hacks in this thread anyways. Until the next? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Please, walk away, I’m not interested. LOL

That’s too bad. This place needs a moderator something bad. I was going to start chewing you out for not doing your job here. LOL Oh well.

I know, right?

I had a dream of arriving at a gas station to get $20 of gasoline. Next I went to the restroom climbing up on top a cabinet near the light bulb a man made light writing on a paper falling asleep there for 1.5 hours. I returned to my car but it was gone. I asked the manager “where is my car”? He replied the cops were called and had my car towed away. I asked him “ how much would it cost to get it out of impound”? He replied “$400. In the dream my bank was US bank (In real life I have never banked with them) and was near the impound yard. I knew that I could only withdraw $300 and had to wait the next morning for the rest( in another dream a countdown of 45 seconds then 15 seconds was also heard). What this dream reveals is that christianity has been spiritually asleep these past 1.5 years after learning the doctrines of man (lightbulb man made) and because of this we got Obama for four more years($400). US Bank represents the United States. Also the Israelites were in Egypt in captivity for 400 years. In the elevator dream I heard the seconds countdown waking up turning on the Glenn Beck show. 30 minutes later in the  show the same female voice had a countdown of 45 seconds then 15 seconds when the glenn beck show went down.

Secession is not unconstitutional. The War of Northern Aggression did not settle the secession issue because there were no constitutional changes regarding secession following the war. Lincoln and his followers waged war against their own countrymen and women, including slaves, which was and still is inexcusable. The states joined the union voluntarily and should be able to leave voluntarily as well. Someone needs to warn Puerto Rico before it is too late for them …..

Everyone should read the ebook The Secession Amendment.  You can find it on Amazon.  A step by step process for secession and a discussion on its consequences.

Just one state seceding (Texas) will not solve the problem.  Let all the Red states in the heartland who voted for Romney and for  limited Constitutional government secede.  That’s a lot of states, a HUGE part of our map, including Alaska, which has all the natural rescoures we need.   Take a look at the huge map of Red states in the heartland of America who voted for Romney.  That huge map of stats could be a country unto itself.  We could start our own government and our own military.  Mr. Ritchie, I will NOT sit idly by and do nothing, while Obama and the Democrats destroy our country economically.  Our country CANNOT take 4 more years of Obama and the Democrats, and their yearly trillion dollar national debts.  Our country will be $20 trillion dollars in debt by 2016, and the United Nations will powerfully overtake America, bit by bit, and we weaken economically as a nation.  This is EXACTLY what Obama and the far left WANTS for America, in Obama’s world view of America. 

Obama TOLD us he would FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM AMERICA, and that is exactly what he and the Democrats have done.  This election PROVED that there are now more people in this country voting for government handouts and government dependency than for self-reliance, jobs, limited government, and personal freedom.  There are now more people inside the wagon than there are people pulling the wagon.  That is simply not economically sustainable. 

I believe this was the most important election in our country’s history, and it PROVED what Americans in the blue states really want – which is government dependency.  Let all the people in the Red states, in the heartland of America, form their own nation.

If people in the Red states want to continue with govnernment dependency and higher taxes, let them move to a Blue state that voted for Obama.  And if the people in the Blue states who voted for Romney want limited Consitutional government and economic freedom, let them move to a Red state in the heartland of America, where they can thrive and grow and succeed economically. 

As far as being proud to be an American is concerned, I am no longer proud to be an American, in the country as we are TODAY, RIGHT NOW, after this election.  We are full of uninformed voters who have voted for Obama government dependency, and are too lazy and stupid to investigate the disastrous economic consequences of their vote.
We are headed rapidly towards Greece and Spain, and these voters are too ignorant to see that.  What they see is what they WANT, MORE FREE STUFF FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

That is obviously their top priority, and exactly why this nation is in decline.  This is not a priority I can be proud of.  No, I  am NOT proud of an America that votes this way.

I want to start a new country of people who THINK BEYOND THE GOVERNMENT GOODIES AND FREE STUFF,  a people who actually CARE about the FUTURE of America, not just about the FREE STUFF they can get from their government at this moment in time.  

How selfish and short sided.  No, Mr. Ritchie, this is no longer an Ameria I am proud of.
Thanks to Obama and the Democrats and their furious desire to transform America, we have reached a horrible tipping point in this country.

I have a RIGHT to not want to go down with this rapidly sinking ship.  I have a RIGHT to want to secede and start a brand new country of red states.  Not ONE red state – a huge heartland of red states, they WAY we voted in this Presidential election.   

Leslie Stavrowsky 
Austin, Texas

Devin, when you have something intelligent to say, and stop with your delusional nonsense caused by your misperceptions and closed mindedness, then I may spend time reading your posts. Otherwise, you are a waste of time. You couldn’t understand what I explained to you more than once, even when I simplified it. You also display that logic is foreign to you. Now, if pounding your keyboard to post crap gets you off, go ahead, but don’t expect anyone to pay any serious attention to you.

Seems to be spreading.

Well, Devin, do you feel better now? Somebody pissed in your cheerios and you just started that rant and kept it running. LMAO Your entir post is crap.

Ya, you believe in a higher cause – no Devin, you have a childish dedication to that which got Obama re-elected. Now you can mischaracterize me anyway you want – that is your freedome to do so, however it is all crap – misperceptions and hate. Hate is a bad thing, Devin. It will eat you up.

Oh what a witty come back! I am thoroughly impressed! … LMAO!

yeah, so there, tttvance…..thanks for clearing that up for him Alex….

Joel, is that a threat?….come to my house here in Kansas and see what happens to you.   We “Hillbillies” aim when we shoot.   ps.   I am an enemy of Isalm…..do something about it….I dare you.

You should have noticed that it was paraphrased, not quoted, and I did give credit to Thomas Jefferson a few post down from it….along with his exact wording.   Maybe you should remove your post, because it looks like your just not paying attention here.

I think just as pertainent question is whether or not Glenn believes what he’s been preaching enough to risk losing sponsors. We are 2 countries now. We assume that if the other 50-60+% just knew the truth, they would see things like we do. Look at the exit polls. We have to accept that there might be that many Americans now that are freindly with and accepting of socialism. We don’t however have to accept living under it. What is going to turn it aroung. It can’t be done with the media having an agenda. The original Grand Experiment would not have worked without an honest and objective watchdog media. It is as much a part of the checks and balances as the three branches. What is going to turn our media. I think we best start realizing we’re 2 countries now. Only, we really don’t have a voice right now. Sort of more taxation without reperesentation – unless you consider Baehner (or however you spell it) a good representation of how you see things.   

Are comments that challenge Glenn, filtered here?

Like a a yeast infection.

Good analogy. LOL

yes, I’ve seen blood spilled….that is why I am callous…..

I asked you if it was a threat…have you not the testicles to reply to the question?   or do you also cover your face.

Well spoken, Thank You!

get off the grid lttle by little.  Don’t cry everything will be okay we are just not used to havin a shot a really being free.  No more CEO’s telling us how to live.  It is a transition but once everyone starts working together we can get the barter system in place and I know we are smart and enterprizing enough people to make it all work. 

ear Mr. Beck, you should stop making everyone think things are so gloom and doom.  You say you believe in a loving God, but you act like there is no one but the money and companies.  You should help us all see the potential and power we have as Gods own.  You act rather sillly and are not helping some times. 

remember when our “dear leader” said ”we’ll reward our friends and punish our enemies?” 

well you just gave them a new list of people…even the founding fathers had enough sense not to invite the british to their meetings…there are few places to hide nowadays, especially on the internet…unfortunately most leave a trail a mile wide.

Bonnie, you just don’t get it. You think that the government is what makes you free? What CEO’s can tell you how to live? If you ever listened to them or felt like if you resisted buying their product, somehow you might be put in jail, that never happened prior to Obamacare. Now, HE is the CEO of the car company on earth. HE is forcing us to buy a consumer product, whether we want it or not, and he can enforce putting us in jail now that it has been raised to a veritable criminal offense. Don’t believe it? He claimed it was constitutional because it is NOT a tax. The Supreme Court declared it a tax and allowed it to go on even though this type of taxation is not legal. Don’t believe anything will happen to you if you don’t pay for the insurance required? He hired 16,000 new IRS agents whose only job is to enforce Obamacare. Why the IRS you might ask? Who else is allowed to seize property, confiscate the contents of financial accounts and ruthlessly enforce laws that no one person on earth knows in their entirety? The IRS is government mafiosi and couldn’t care less whether their actions are legal or not. They know they can count on the government to defend ANY action they take. By the way, bartering WAS a great way to approach business. Then, the government figured out that they weren’t getting a cut of every transaction. The bartering system IS legal….so long as you’re willing and ready to pay a steep punitive tax while exercising that right. You would be far better served by changing your attitude. Instead of revolutionary militancy based on stupidity and ignorance, you could say…., get an education, become the CEO of a small business, employ others, giving them greater economic freedom. It’s never going to happen though, is it. You’re one of those who believes that everyone else owes you for having graced the earth with your presence. You’re a taker, not a contributor, and until you figure that out you will ALWAYS remain below those who believe that they possess the power to control their own lives. You have embraced the idiocy of the left, believing that by surrendering your own (and others you have no right to speak for) freedom to the mindless behemoth that is the federal and state governments, somehow you are…free. I can get the same sensation and results just by handcuffing myself to a ticking bomb.

I have a question. What is the truth about the executive order implementing martial law and the taking of food and supplies from a private home. 

Im gonna guess your one of those that stills thinks we didnt go to iraq for oil…

I’m glad their are other people that see the federal government for what it is. But let us remind ourselves that we the people were the ones that let our country slip from what the framers tried to ready us for and it is we the people and only the people collectively can get it back together not as the media manipulation polarized liberals vs conservatives corporate america we need americans to pull together and be f**king american together for once and fight for the country they all want to be the government has breed us to be polarized in government so that we wont work together and we wont get anything done its a game to let us slide into the agenda of the guys upstairs comfily all nice and occupied with our war desensitizing video games that we let our children play and the media that justifies war all over the world but would never allow it to happen on their own soil ever again because if people saw how horrible war really is and im not talking go to someone elses land that you know nothing about and blow them away I mean watch your neighbors house being blown away by rockets and your friends children lying died on the sidewalk and overflowing sewage and failed electricity…that would be the war we would see and we would probably think a little longer about it before we decided to go destroy someone else’s lives for their natural resources like the iraq war. The people will wake to this net that has been tossed ever so sneakily over our heads and we will remedy the situation but it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet were still sitting fat and lazy and accomodated in a consumer network spree of random nick nacks but once we realize weve been spending paper with no inherent value for the past 5 years only because were too afraid to tackle our economic issues with progressive resolutions well do something about it but like I said we are too comfortable in our capitalist society to care for now but the important thing is that when we finally redesign this obviously rigged government we have we must come up with a new type of economic system because in a capitalistic society people like the morgans, rockefellers,vanderbilts and carnegies will always exist so we must move on to a better system and it is up to we the people to design that system and polish off the frames of our country that have been poorly unkempt of.

Of course you realize that America is NOT a DEMOCRACY. We’re a Republic, and there is a huge difference between the two. I would strongly urge you to do some research and find out why democracy is NOT a good form of government. 

Here’s a hint: Democracies ALWAYS end up failing, and dissolving into dictatorships and tyranny … usually on the way to socialism and communism.

This dick-tator in the White House HAS done plenty to destroy America, and that’s his plan. So I’m hopeful that you and all of the other Obama Oompa Loompas are happy with what you get over the next four years.

30 States?  That is almost enough to call for a repeal of the 17th Amendment.  (In short, the 17th Amendment made Senators answerable to special interest groups instead of their respective states legislators giving the States NO voice in the Federal Government.)  If we can galvanize the peoples support for the repeal of the 17th Amendment we can give our States more autonomy to say NO to the Central Governments voracious consumption of our wealth.
We need 38 States for the repeal to pass. If you’re tired and frustrated by the way the Federal Government is mismanaging our country than taking positive action in this regard will retard the Federal Governments insatiable hunger for more power at the peoples expense.
Call or write your Senators.  Ask your friends and neighbors to call or write their Senators.  Create a movement that the Nation cannot ignore.  Making U.S. Senators answerable to your State is what the Founding Fathers intended and the next best thing to secession.

It’s time. Hopefully, a block of states can petition together to secede from this now corrupt and failing union. Of course there will be sabre rattling and threats, but in the end, both sides will have roughly equal military strength, and both sides will realize that there will be irreparable damage if war is the result.

Let’s secede in a block, taking our share of the debt, rewrite the constitution with a few tweaks, including passages that will guarantee that similar weaknesses will not encroach on our freedoms again, and start over.
We can do it. We can pay off our share of the debt, restrict our entitlements to state/local programs which will protect our national government from foreclosure, and become what our nation was originally meant to be.

It’s time. Let’s do it.

Glen,
  Please look into what it would take for Counties of a State ( Say in NY ) To Vote and Bcome a New County in Vermont..How could this be legally done ..Help US !!!!!!!!!!

Where do i sign.