This is another example of the left setting up the next confrontations for 2014 and 2016, and one more effort to discredit Christianity and make any follower of Christ as ‘insane, deluded and mentally unfit.’

I don’t know, I was not there when God created it.  Neither were the scientists since they can’t agree with each other how old it is.  What you better worry about as a non-Christian is when the King of the Universe and creator Christ is coming back to judge the Earth.

Here is something many miss in the good book, in Genesis 1: 1 it is clear in the statement of God creating the heavens and the earth, self explanatory.

What most miss, including many pastors is that it next mentions the Spirit of God descending ‘upon the waters of the deep.’ This means massive amounts of water, frozen from exposure to the vacuum of space…between v. 1 and then, something occurred to the earth which required God to pull the earth out of cold storage.

Agreed. – this misposted, and is meant in reply to landoflaughs.

These smartass atheist evolutionists cannot explain gravity, somethong that can be seen and tested.  How can they possibly then come up with how it was all created since they cannot perform a test.

How do you explain dinosaurs

It’s a very important question, as well you know, hence the reason you’re trying to belittle it. Charlatan.

“One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.” -Thomas Paine, AGE OF REASON.

If a person is relying for ‘history and the Bible’ for scientific knowledge, then there’s a very real need to question how fit they are to lead a country in the 21st century.

Our pastor wrote a great article for our website on this very question.

http://www.letitiabc.org/how-old-is-the-earth.html

“Question with boldness even the existence of GOD;because if there be one, he must approve of the homage of reason than that of blind folded fear.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1787.

Wow! I would like to know where you got that interpretation other than from ‘left field’! The reason that is missed by most, including pastors is that is NOT what that verse means in the context given!!!

I’d be more interesed in learning the age of the women I date, although I’d still never dare ask.

C’mon dude, don’t. Quotes of such depth and greatness do not belong to this site. 

smart man – lol

It is possible to believe in the Bible AND evolution.  

Actually, the Bible does not make a claim for the “start date” in the way we think of time.  Neither does the Bible give a “drop dead date.”

The Greeks call this kind of time “kairos” like our “in due season” or “you’ll understand when you grow up.”  The Greeks used the word “chronos” for calendar and clock time.  The Bible uses kairos time much more often than it uses chronos time.The Bible says it began at God’s behest.  It says that God made it all and was well pleased.  It also says that the world as we’ve known it will come to an end, again at God’s behest and our outright wickedness.Bishop Usher was the one who made claims for the date being some 6000 years BC ago or so and even claimed it was in October…even before October existed.  This date is actually more likely when cities began, civilization as we know it.

To the Semitic mind, “waters of the deep” represented absolute chaos.  God brooded over chaos and set it in order by His Word.

Not really, at least not evolution as it is taught today.

Survival of the fittest and minor alterations fit quite well w/observations.

Evolution in the sense that all of life was derived fm micro-organisms is deeply flawed.  This kind of evolution depends on each mutation as being 1) beneficial and 2) long range.  Science observes that most mutations (over 95%) are show-stoppers.  Science also observes that helpful mutations are for the present not the future survival needs of the organism.  See Ann Coulter’s book Godless for a thorough explanation of why evolution as it is taught today is flawed and where it is fundamentally flawed.

Is humankind fm this planet and not fm the stars?  Absolutely.  Our DNA says “fm earth” just as the DNA fm all living things says the same.  Why wouldn’t God use the same earthbound elements to create all living things?  This is why all mammals share certain characteristics, making them mammals.

 That’s not a ‘great’ article. That article implies that stone-age man coexisted with tyrannosaurus-rex! That’s the ramblings of an idiot.

The Bible mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. “Behemoth” (Job 40:15-24) and “Leviathan” (Job 41:1-34)
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm

It’s kind of funny to refer to a social commentator that has no claims of being unbiased (Ann Coulter) for a science discussion. Minor alterations and 3.8 billion years sounds reasonable to me.

Read her book before you sneer at it…

I majored and believe in evolutionary biology and I also believe in a creator, God, if you will. To me, the two are not mutually exclusive. The natural world is so full of elegance, Fibonacci numbers, the golden spiral seen on snail shells, nautilus shells, ram’s horns. Also, if you look at an evolutionary timeline, not by era, but divided into equal increments (I made one in graduate school with increments of 150 million years), you will see that there was an explosion of life around 1000 million years ago. I am SO SICK AND TIRED of lefty liberals creating these hostile arguments against decent, good conservatives and I adore Marco Rubio. Leftists are intolerant, antagonistic, belligerent, and hateful. And they are quickly becoming the majority in this country.

the fifth day is the fowls of the air and creapy things is the age of dinosaurs the 6th day is the age of mammals and man.

The Earth of MAN is over 7000 years old.It follows the Bible exactly.IF the peacepact is
set for 7 years, it has started the Great Tribulation. In End Days everything wrong will seem
right. Read Daniel  7 25-27, who’s that? Read 2nd Timothy Chapter 3,first few verses.Read it
don’t be it.Description of Mankind in End Days and it’s DEAD ON. Everything the Bible said
would occur up to this point, has. Frank Turek, crossexamined.org debated chris hitchens
bigmouth athiest,dead now,ran him in the sand, both times.Wonder if hitchens is still athiest?
All these ghost stories on TV, GOD lets demons come into our lives to drive us closer to him.
READ Levite Rabbi Jonathan Cahn’s Book, The Harbingers.It’ll scare athiests to death and
wake up the ignorant, religious, The Laodecian.The name of the 7th Church from End Days.
Bible says in End Times people will refuse meat & tatoo.

Carbon dating earth and stones cannot be accurate because the formula was developed by supposing or guessing a date of an object then using that information to calculate the age of other things. Sorry, I just don’t buy it. I also don’t believe there was an “explosion” of life 1000 million years ago. The Bible is the only timeline I believe, and nowhere does it even suggest that the earth is millions of years old. If evolution were true, everything would still be in various stages of evolving. All life adapts to its environment but it doesn’t evolve into something it never was. Whatever life is, or was, on this planet was created by God, who knows all things and designed every living cell exactly as He wants it to be. 

And we can’t cure cancer but we offer antibiotics for infections. Would you decline a prescription just because a medic can’t cure everything? After all the work on gravity and you mock scientists for not being satisfied with the answers. And finally, in the field of experimental evolution for example mice can be used to track gene mutations so yes scientists can perform a test.

So how is kairos time supposed to make me feel better about politicians refusing to acknowledge the scientifically accepted age of Earth?

There’s that ‘kairos time’ used in the Bible suggesting that ‘you’ll understand when you grow up’. And it is really not that hard to ‘guess’ the date of when someone died if you look at their tombstone.

I look at it this way; Do we REALLY know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden?  

Over and over again these silly evolutionists and their faith! Lesson #1, for free and no charge: Darwinism fails the scientific method – It has never been observed, isn’t falsifiable, and has ZERO empirical evidence. It is NOT science. It is naturalist’s belief system, NOT science.

Nope.

waters of the deep is the atmosphire!

he seperated the firmament from the waters of the deep. Land and air!

No, the Hebrew is “waters” (ma-yim’)

Excellent book recommendation.  When you are finished w/The Harbinger, read The Criminalization of Christianity to go w/it.

Is the age of the earth really proven by fact?  Does the age of our earth really matter that much to us? Whether the earth is 4.54 billion years old or 2.11 billion years old makes little difference to us humans. Even if we knew how old the earth was, it will hardly make any difference. Most scientists also have theories about the beginning of the universe, but not ONE has explained it rationally. The easiest response is that the whole universe started from nothing. Great imaginations!

 ”If evolution were true, everything would still be in various stages of evolving.” Welcome to the real world. That’s exactly what is happening. Evolution doesn’t just stop; it’s an ongoing process.

So far, in the last 7000 or so years of human observation, no plant or animal has reproduced something other than its own kind.  There are hybrids, but most are infertile like the mule.

Abiogenesis and goo-to-you evolution has actually been scientifically disproven, but it’s still being fed down our throats as atheistic gospel. While it’s all pretty technical, there are so many problems like life couldn’t have begun with oxygen, yet life couldn’t have begun without oxygen. Life producing proteins couldn’t form with D amino acids present. Gamets, each having only half the gene code necessary for reproduction, would never form.

Just as we can observe a rock never flying on it’s own, life doesn’t form against natural laws, either. I’m so sick of atheists claiming nature can randomly break the natural/physical laws of the universe. Only God has that ability. 

But, you really don’t know. It’s pure conjecture. That’s the difference between your position and that of scientists. They know their theories are just that theories. But these are theories that are selected via empirical experimentation. You affirmation that “Only God has that ability” has to be taken purely on faith. Which is okay. You are probably right. But it’s not science. You gotta differentiate. Why? Because when you mix the two, scientific enquiry with religious faith, then investigation for novel knowledge is gone. All you need to know is God created everything. Agreed –says the scientist–, but how? That is the question they want to answer. You all go nuts feeling victims about nothing, really. Relax. No one will take your faith away, that is, if it really is faith.

Well, when you start theorizing that nothingness creates a vacuum and therefore something, and that something manifests as fundamental particles that interact to form what we call matter… well, if you don’t call THAT imagination, probably you should stay with “…and on the seventh day He rested.”, because in reality the work physical scientists are doing can fill books and books of fiction.

Oh, the lone voice of reason comes in… to be disproven by pure faith.

Said the religious zealot. 

Well, that just means you are not informed. Of course we have observed evolution: cats and dogs!!! Read something other than your Bible and you might learn something new.

Good luck with these Bible thumping fundamentalists. 

Explain precisely how cats and dogs have evolved moron. Use scientific lanuage to prove your point. one two three go….

Also cite what publication your refering to that helen aparently didnt read. Just one publication I’m very interested.

Please. To you? This is the only comment to you to which I’ll give time.

Such as……….?

Figures. Your brain box is void of anything factual. You’re a fraud. afraid of real debate. Quick search wikipedia ft. Blwhard…..

Actually, science REQUIRES that theories be able to stand up to duplication.  There is no way to duplicate the requisite mutations that would be needed for one single cell organism to suddenly become a single cell flagellate.  It should be reproducible to make that single cell organism sprout something as “simple” as a tail to assist its movement thru whatever liquid medium it travels.

The use of 7 days is poetic, not literally a 24 hour day.  Days vary fm planet to planet and star to star.  We use day to refer to the length of time it takes this planet to make one rotation on its axis.

Perhaps God’s “day” was one rotation of the whole universe around its axis…

 Of course it is. I believe both theories because they are both true.
 Please consider the following.
 Just because a biologist digs up a fossils and pieces together the theory of evolution doesn’t give  him any real world advantage .  What real world application is there, besides speculation and text book writing  ?

Consider some guy who lives in the back woods of America , who has never seen a car, then runs into a junk yard for the first time. Eventually he is also likely to detect patterns. He also begins to figure stuff out.

 Just ask both of them the following questions.
 What can you do with your data ? I mean REAL WORLD APPLICATION  !
 Does it give you a true deeper understanding of the interactions in the  world around you, so you can navigate life’s difficulties ?  If so please explain.
 Can you piece any of these parts into a sum and make it work ?
   (What would such a car, let alone a creature,  look like )
 The real harsh  question is, do either of you “discoverers”  now consider yourselves sharp enough to ORIGINATE  the thoughts necessary for either .

 By the way, your odds are better in the junk yard ………
Regards to all,
 Jeff
 

Humans specifically bred desert wild cats down in size and ferocity.  That is not evolution; it is genetic manipulation and selective breeding.  We did the same w/wild grasses to make domestic grains.  We did the same for bananas.

Dogs were bred down fm wolves or perhaps coyotes.  Again, it’s human intervention, not evolution.

 Or perhaps God created all in seven earth days..

Not all the dead have tombstones.  How then will you reckon time?

 If water is the ultimate solvent and the world is what 4 billion years old. How come it hasn’t completely disolved?

You have to figure that one out on your own.

Would you rather have an non-theist who worships at the altar of science make life and death decisions based on utility?  Or would you rather have a man of trust in a loving God make those decisions.

You can serve God or you can serve science as god.  Whatever your God, that is how you base your deeper decisions like war or peace.

If the universe is so old why are comets still racing around? Why haven’t they completely melted ?

That is genetic manipulation by human intervention; it’s not evolution.

And, yes, we can cure some cancers.  We cannot cure viral infections.

The earth’s magnetic field is decreasing 5% every century.  Running the numbers backwards to a mere 50,000 years ago when cro-magnon man was allegedly roaming the earth, the magnetic field intensity would have been so strong that the earth’s surface would have been 300 degrees.

How come I found shark’s teeth in the same limestone slurry as mammal bones and fish bones at 1300 ft above sea level above santa barbara. some of the sharks are prehistoric. amazing,

i wonder if the left can agree that most of them do not know who their father is and if they do ask them why the mother only copulated with their father  and are they sure

amazes me how they just make themselves look even stupider , by making all this hoo rah over an approxiamation of time…yet their own followers say the earth is only 7000 yrs old.(and even make fun of this assertion by the bible)….meaning that their followers are 4.54 billion years off, while science leaves it to about 10 million years…wow.

Applications of the theory of evolution could be found in agricultural (for example
in selective breeding of animals and plants) and medicine (in studying quickly evolving viruses such as the flu).

and what YOU better worry about is NOT JUDGING OTHERS and worrying about their lives. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS HYPOCRITE!!! Just as there is no PROOF of scientific estimation of time (although there is PLENTY of MATH to support it), there is no PROOF that there even is a god. At least science has verifiable facts and data that they can use to support their side.

 The bible refers to you as a fool. ” the fool hath said in his heart there is no God.” look it up.

Um, you DO know that Glenn Beck is to the RIGHT, right? So the left has nothing to do with this bit of stupidity. Stop blaming the wrong people…this is PROOF that (as a christian), you ARE insane and ignorant.

Apparently we are among the tens of people who want to know how old the earth is.

Um ever heard of carbon 14 dating? That is what us intelligent people call a “test”…that thing you evidently dont understand. Additionally, you have SEEN gravity?! I guess you have seen God too then? What color is gravity? Matter of fact, can you even describe gravity without googling it right now?

The earth is 13.7 billion years old according to science.  The sun was not created until the 4th day in the Genesis account.  So, how long were God’s days?  No one knows.  God doesn’t live in what we know as “time.”  “Time” was created for man.  Besides, in the Genesis account, the earth was re-created, not created.  The only new creation was Adam (man).  And, Adam was a new kind of creation.  He was God-breathed.  He was not an animal.  He was not the result of evolution.  If only people would make an honest attempt at truly studying the Hebrew…So sad

 You believe that whole heartedly and yet without a shred of evidence. And we look stoopidererer? stupider?stupider? stupider? Have I made my point yet?

I trust science more. Truman was a Southern Baptist and it is hard to believe he prayed to a loving God when he decided to use the atomic bombs. Islam is an Abrahamic religion and probably you have a hard time accepting that Muslims pray to a loving God. And I still have not heard a plausible explanation of why a loving God is allowing so much human suffering.

As an “ultra” Orthodox Jew, it just annoys the bejesus out of me when you folk give all of these weird answers as to how old is the Earth.  Jiminy Crickets!  It’s 5,773 years old.  Get it right already…. !

(I don’t often listen to the show but I caught this segment today.  You guys were great!  Cracked me up all morning… May you go from strength to strength)

Earth is  4.54 (± 0.05) billion years old according to science – I have no clue where you got the 13.7 billion from. Are Christians still OK with Eve being created from Adam’s rib? I ask because I have been told that not all parts of the Bible are ‘good’ (that is when I discussed consequences of rape according to the Bible).

Lesson #2- youre an idiot.Darwinism has MORE than enough evidence to support it as a theory: try actually reading his book (http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/courses/evolution/html/evidence.html); see also berekely institutes site (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46). It has been observed throughout nature, moron.It is CERTAINLY falsifiable (“.  Formal scientific hypotheses make testable (falsifiable) predictionsOne reason for the long term success of Darwin’s book was his consideration of alternative hypotheses, the predictions of these hypotheses, and how the results of his observations and experiments could be explained (or left unexplained) by these hypotheses.”, has untold number of empirical evidence (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/lines_01). By defintion, it is EXACTLY science, following the required steps in the scientific process. A belief system is the direct opposite of science. But you being a knuckledragging, mouth breathing religously indoctrinated trogolodyte, it does not surprise me that you avoid anything like a fact. Wow…(SMH)

Science called. It wants its vaccines back.

And this is what makes you an Ultra moron know it all. What test did you conduct to make this determination genius? You didnt. You read a book, interpreted some math based on arbitrarily connected verses, did your little addition/subtraction dance, inserted your own hugely flawed  ”I cant be told anything I did not create  in my own mind” ego, and out popped a number you hinge your irrelevant existence on. SHUT THE FUCK UP you self righteous hypocrite!

I didnt say anything that either needed evidence or wasnt provided by the both sides I mentioned. Yeah, you really are that stupider. You made my point with your moronic statement.

‘MITOCHONDRIAL DNA EVOLUTION IN MICE’ by Stephen D. Ferris, Richard D. Sage, Ellen M. Prager, Uzi Ritte and Allan C. Wilson.

David Chappy…how is it that some dumb zombie like you ends up surfing a conservative website and then tells the people there to mind their own business?  Hmmm.  You’re the perfect definition of a troll. 

I wanna ask you a question…and if you answer it, I promise to forfeit all of my Christian beliefs and follow evolution until the day I die.  Because the Bible has answered it while scientists who support evolution cannot. 

How did non living material become a living creature?

No, sparducks, you have not made your point clear. There is evidence about the age of Earth (Wikipedia is a good start into what evidence science presents). Your decision to ignore scientific evidence does not mean that it does not exist.

@ David Chappy…you said “It has been observed throughout nature, moron…”  Yeah?  Really?  And how is that?  If one step of evolution takes millions of years, please explain to me how it has been observed through nature?  And you still haven’t answered my question….a question scientists cannot answer but the Bible has.   How did non living material become a living being?  How does evolution explain that moment in history that happened billions of years ago?

David, Soap is a few days old…Try Ivory you may enjoy the taste!

The Left uses science to shut down all debate.  But notice how science isn’t as settled as the Left would have you believe.  Notice how with health matters there is new research that contradicts current thought about every 6 months.  When I was in college in the 1980s, very many researchers came out to say they had reproduced results of experiments showing “cold fusion”.  Then some time later they all recanted their claims.  Today, much of research isn’t clear cut reproducible science like Newtonian physics, but rather unmeasurable, unverifiable hypotheses.  Science is being used as a tool by the Left to shut down all debate and critical thought to control the masses.

David,
Why you sooooooo mad and hatefull? Maybe your lacking some higher power????

I don’t believe that we came from animals, I believe we are turning into them.  Look around…we see people wanting to walk around naked, killing our own offspring, killing each other with no remorse, celebrities eating their own placenta, etc….  Animals are much more intelligent than these liberals…you know, the ones who think they are so educated, lol. 

You soooooo smart. I’m getting big tingle up my leg.

And by the way, juvenile…this whole story is about GQ asking Rubio about how old he thought the earth was.  So, maybe you should call GQ and tell THEM to mind their own business.  Hypocrite.

Hey landofaahs, I used to live in Hutch.  I’m assuming you know where that is?

To the person writing as “David Chappy”, Einstein didn’t explain gravity….But Hawking did!  We played with antigravity in the 60s,  but couldn’t make a power plant light enough to be lifted by the coils. Maybe now?  And most religions have a creation myth, sociology teaches us that in ancient times, without technology, “some”  explanation was neccessary.  Would you accept “intelligent direction”?  Long ago I studied Communism, I know where you are coming from, To excuse your lack of morals, you need to deny religious teaching. “NO God”= no ten commandments”  Now you can lie, murder, steal, and “bear false witness”  True science DOESN’T “start with the conclusion” then work to prove it!

That’s scientific fact. Read the articles that are linked there.

Here’s an article I wrote for my Church on this very issue. I hope you find it helpful. Please read the articles hyper-linked as well from http://www.icr.org

http://www.letitiabc.org/how-old-is-the-earth.html

such as???? And if you didn’t get my point maybe you are “stupider”.

 Your the moron who can’t figure out how to reply to someone on disqus. See the reply option just click on that and a comment balloon will pop up. then I’ll know conclusively your responding to me.Genius. Could that have been a lucider instruction. Hmmmmm? Stupider sheeesh!

 Again just hit reply. A chimp could do it.

Adam and Eve’s time in th garden of Eden had to be short otherwise they would have been disobeying God’s command to be fruitful and multiply.  If they lived in the Garden for a long time and did not reproduce that would be disobeying and “sin” so I believe that they were not there long before Satan tempted Eve and sin and death entered the world. 

A great resource other than the Bible is the Answers in Genesis website.  They have a wealth of info about on the subject.

Not believing in the correct age of the earth doesn’t determine you salvation, but it is important that we interpret God’s Word correctly.  So that we can “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect…” 2 Peter 3:15

Well, on that we agree. Now, if you take the whole Bible as poetic we would be making progress.

You say potato, Darwin says pot-a-to

Now who’s the fraud. That is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.

No one said science it’s easy.

It’s queer how you never give facts but merely try to sling clever insults. I’ll bet your havin a gay old time with that.

I noticed you were quick to dodge Jimson’s question thogh, David.  So how about it, pinhead?  How DID nonliving material become a living creature?  Stop your leftist, atheistic spinning and answer the question!

It’s not like stubbornly believing zebras once sailed on Noa’s Ark, next to lions and other natural predators. That’s easy.

 BTW thanks for making my point.

And how old were they when Cain was born?  Not spring chickens by our standards!

What did you expect?  This is what happens when God is banned fm the public square!

The consequence of rape is the death penalty.

And I don’t care how the Potter made me.  He made me just the way He wanted.  I am content w/that.

Maybe God made more after the first batch…maybe He enjoys watching them roam the heavens.  New stars are forming as we banter back and forth.  Why not new comets?

Never claimed the Bible was either science or history in the way we use the terms today.

The Bible does reflect history thru the lenses of revelation and faith.  And a good bit of the science offered in tangential ways is pretty accurate.  Take the dietary laws for example.  On the don’t eat list:  shell fish, fish w/o scales, raptors, pork, meat that has been incinerated or been undercooked.  Why?  God uses the language and understanding of non-scientific people to keep them away fm things that carry germs or cholesterol or other contaminants.  All the don’t eat list either eat dead stuff and can be loaded w/botulism that would kill a grown man or they are loaded w/cholesterol.  As to cooking — flame broiling too quickly can release carcinogens into the meat.  Not cooking it long enough or at high enough temps lets germs and parasites survive to make the eater sick.  God said roast or boil the meat and eat no blood for the life is in the blood.  The sexual laws are equally scientific if you look at them fm today, disregarding the archaic language.

Even the poetic beginning of the account of Creation in Genesis presents an unscientific and poetic reflection of what science calls the Big Bang!  Look at the order of living things — plants, fish of the sea/birds of the air, then mammals.  Pretty much what the fossil record says, too.

Water is an excellent solvent, but it does not dissolve everything.  It’s best with ionic compounds while alcohols and other organic solvents work well on lipids and ring carbon compounds.

Like dissolves like.

Nor did anyone say theology is easy either.

Actually the Bible believer can determine the very approximate age of the earth by the lifespans given for all the godly descendants of Adam, which tells us it is about 6 thousand years old. It was roughly 2 thousand years from Adam to Abraham, and 2 roughly two thousand from Abraham to Jesus. And the rest you know. Young earth creation models with Christian scientist groups like the Baptist ICR (Institute for Creation Research) and various other Creationists science groups. I don’t buy into the theology necessarily, but the Creation science work is valuable in itself. For theology I would go to iBibleprophecy.com

Makes more sense than saying a single cell organism would mutate parts that don’t function and live to replicate itself and those new not-quite-done-yet organs.

I would encourage you to explore microbiology some more.  The variety and complexity of single cell organisms are quite fascinating.

Not all is poetry.  I recommend a contemporary translation that presents poetry in the form of a poem and narrative in its form.

Give the Bible a serious read before dismissing it.  Old does not mean out of date or out of style.  Humans have not changed one bit since Cain decided Abel had to go and made it happen.  We are as we were.  Only how we get there has changed.

Can’t carbon date inanimate objects.  C-14 applies to living organisms which have taken in C-14 (the radioactive carbon isotope as opposed to the ubiquitous C-12 isotope) in the process of cellular metabolism.

The Bible is a collection of allegories and parables (with some elements loosely based on actual historical events) designed, in part, to provide answers for people who asked questions about matters which they could not yet comprehend and to provide guidelines for expected moral behavior as determined by the religious order of the time.

Anyone who claims that the Bible is a literal account of actual historical events is living in a state of denial.

Enter Glenn Beck …

In any case, his math is wrong. He forgot to multiply by his age and divide by the square root of his IQ.

Actually, islam is not truly Abrahamic even though it calls itself so.

Truman did the best he could w/what he had at the time.  He tht he was saving more lives than taking by using atomic weapons.  He was ready to use it on the Nazis first, but they capitulated before the weapon was ready.

As to human suffering — there are two answers and you may not like either one.  One is based in the apocalyptic.  It says that when it’s all said and done, the evil who have refused to turn to God exile themselves to hell, never to harm another soul.  The other flows out of Job’s experience.  We don’t know the mind of God.  We can only trust Him to make it right.

Personally, I think it is related to His having given us autonomy — free will can be a good thing and a bad thing.  He has given us guidance in how to go — do justice, love mercy, walk humbly w/Him (Micah 6:8 paraphrased).  When we fail to obey and follow His rules for the game of life, we cause suffering for others and for ourselves.  When we choose to ally w/Satan (yes, he’s real and cosmic in his evil), then we cause beyond the pale suffering like the Holocaust or the starvation of the Ukraine under Stalin or the incessant 5 year plans under Mao.  Pick your tyrant and combine his evil w/the Adversary, and that is what you get.

As an observant Christian, I do know that God will wipe away my tears in the End.  See Romans ch 8 for when things go wrong.

God knew we would need fossil fuels sooner or later.  He provided them ahead of time.

What has made you so angry with God that you need to deny Him.

He does love you, no matter what you have suffered.  He wept alongside you while preserving the free will of us all.

 Hey David did you know that there is more evidence that christ lived died and rose again than there is that Thomas Jefferson ever lived?

C-14 only works on animate things.

Not seeing gravity is like not seeing God.  You trust in gravity every time to take a step.  It works so nicely in concert w/friction to allow you to move in whatever direction you choose.

God is the one who gave you those gifts — the laws of physics.

The Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) indeed proves 1) God is all knowing and 2) He cares about us.

Life is like playing, say baseball.  It has a field of play — this universe.  It has rules to play by, for if it did not, you could not say home run or foul ball.

Torah gives the basic rules for life, beyond just the Ten Commandments.  The dietary laws keep you fm eating things that will make you sick or cause heart clogging cholesterol and plaque.  You see while farm raised shell fish and pork may no longer be carrion eaters, they are still heavily laden w/cholesterol.  In the wild, they eat dead stuff — botulism can kill you or make you wish you were dead.  Most of the unclean mammals also carry other pests in their flesh.  The “clean” animals are easily cooked to rid them of the problem of germs.  Moreover, even the way you cook them protects you fm carcinogens in flame quickly cooked meat.  He instructed Moses to tell the people to roast or boil the meat.  Slow cooking does not create carcinogens in the meat and it ensures it is cooked to a proper germ/parasite-killing temp.

As clever and well-educated for his day, Moses knew nothing of germs and cancer.  Yet God did know and loved us to warn us off things that would harm us — all using our own understanding of the day.  Thus, He loves you and me as well as Moses and the sons of Israel!

Empirically, tell us of one experiment in which we have successfully repeated the evolution of an organism w/o directly manipulating its genetic sequence.  Just one time. That is the nature of science — that a theory has an experiment that can be repeated w/the same results every time it’s run.

Otherwise, it’s just as much a faith statement as a theological one.

 Exactly !!!!!!!

It is far more than that.

At its core, it gives us the guidelines for living a joyful and productive life.  It sets out the boundaries for human behavior.  It sets forth an ethical framework for civilized life.

Yes veriable facts and data that is always changing.

 You are right – I cannot think of a single fact that I was taught about evolution in school that was not a fraud, a lie, wrong or reversed. That was why I left off believing in fairy tales and started looking at science. And science sure doesn’t support evolution. The more we learn, the less possible evolution is, and the more logical an intelligent designer becomes. But as Lewontin stated – it doesn’t matter how silly, unscientific or failed an evolutionary premise is, it must be accepted because of our a priori commitment to naturalism. How profoundly unscientific! Then there was the U of T professor who was so upset about the discovery that there is virtually NO junk DNA that he warned the science community against releasing any scientific discoveries that MIGHT help out those poor ignorant creationist, who just happen to be the founders of most of our schools of science today!

 Nice you should mention that. The half life today of C14 is 5730 years give or take a bit. Given that, a ball of C14 the size of the earth would be all gone in just a few years. Diamonds are supposedly millions of years old. Why then do they still contain C14?

 Uh . .  carbon 14 has a half life of about 5730 years today.  A ball C14 the size of the earth would all be gone in perhaps 100,000 years, maybe a fraction of that. You believe that Diamonds are among the oldest materia;s on earth; why then do they still contain C14?

 Uh . . . David – since the half life of C14 is 7530 years today, how can the earth be millions of years old when there is still C14 in Diamonds and coal?

Oh yea. My nephew lives in Wilson. Nice town. Been a long time since I’ve been there though. Dillon’s hometown. Not Matt’s though.

Keep it clean or keep it to yourself.  Resorting to obscenity merely demonstrates that you don’t have a strong rational argument.

Using the scientific method doesn’t prove that a stone house is 4.54 billion years old, just the materials it was made from.  Similarly we can guess how old the materials the earth was made from, but not when it was organized.

Yes, I have seen gravity. A nice sized rock falling from about 10 on top of your head leaves a nice knot. I see God in all of his work(creation) but that would require abstract thinking not linear myopic retardation. To your other opinion about carbon 14 dating. If you as many unbelieving scientists believe that matter is eternal, how could carbon 14 ever be tested against something like that and would it not have to have something else as a test for your theory? What would be older than eternal? But I can see you do not see the gravity of your errors.

Your premise is silly and false. Antibiotics, I might point bout were discovered by a creationist. My father was an international scientist working on gravity – they still cannot explain it. Mice have never been used to track any type of evolutionary mutation. Please cite your sources!

 Actually evolution is based solely on faith, not science. The problem comes from definitions – you Consider natural adaptation as evolution. In that you are playing semantics. Evolution in the sense of adding INFORMATION TO THE GENOME HAD NEVER BEEN OBSERVED. sEMANTIS ISN’T SCIENCE.

You must be retarded also. Did I not say that you should be worried about Christ coming to judge the world. Nowhere did I say I am judging. I am only relaying information Christ gave us. If you have a problem with it take it up with him not me. But I do find you amusing when you complain that I am judging you and others and in the same paragraph you judge me by calling me a hypocrite. That’s OK though because I rightly called you a retard. That is an assessment not judging. Judging, in the Biblical sense is condemnation through the final judgement as to sending you to hell. I do not do that.
I would be interested in knowing what behavior of yours or belief of yours that I have so vexed you of my assessment.

“It is possible to believe in the Bible AND evolution.  “ 

Not a Chance! NO way! Nada! God created everything and said it was very good – that doesn’t include animals tearing each other apart – somehow I don’t see that as God’s perfection. Besides, death only came to earth when Adam sinned, and death is a requirement for evolution

 That is not random evolution – it is intelligent husbandry – a science. Viruses no not evolve – they devolve – and almost every antibiotic resistance developed by a virus has been identified as to where in its genome it has lost data. That is why entropy trumps evolution all day long in OBSERVATIONAL science.

I don’t mock scientists for not knowing how to explain gravity but I do mock them for criticisms of believers in God when they don’t know if there is a God or not. You cannot prove God does not exist but I have at least creation to point to because you cannot say what was the first thing to exist and how did it get here? God is eternal so I have my leap of faith out there for all to see. I did not say that scientists cannot perform a test, just that they cannot test something that is eternal because the have nothing older than eternal in which to test it against. Can you use carbon 14 to test the age of carbon 14 itself?

I would not decline antibiotics because I know they “can” work. Cancer “cures” have n the success of antibiotics so your point is really non sensical. When someone comes up with a cure for cancer, I would take it if I had cancer. Just for laughs, do you believe in devolution? You know. Liberalism.

There is no “scientific” proof of age of the earth. Only accepted theory. What is accepted theory? Faith!

There is no way we can know what was going on 4 billion years ago, or 4 million years ago, or 4 thousand years ago. All those theories are simply what a few people who call themselves scientists got together and agreed upon. Their agreement does not make the theory fact. It is still just a theory. To believe what they say requires faith. Now you can place your faith in a bunch of bozo’s who pretend that they know something. I’ll just place my faith in God. Have a nice day.

I did; and it’s utter nonsense.  How did Noah get a t-rex on his ark?

Look up ‘peppered moth’ or ’3-toed skink’ if you want to see a couple of examples of observed evolution of a species.

a. do you think that we’ve been observing scientifically for 7000 years?
b. do you think that that’s a good timescale for your test, given the timescales involved?

A: It ‘is’ old as sin + a few day’s.   

He must have forgotten about  bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), sometimes referred to as “mad cow disease. It is the cause of the fatal brain disease in humans that is called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and it cannot be killed by cooking.

 Gravity can be demonstrated. If you can’t “see” the maple trees in Vermont from your house – do they exist?

 The magnetic poles switch approximately ever half million  years or so. The weakening and strengthening of the fields is not constant. At the current time, there is an area off the east coast of Brazil where the magnetic field has disappeared.

 He didn’t – they would have eaten the sheepies, the doggies, the kitties, the cowies, the birdies, the …. LOL so that’s why the T-Rexs and te rest of those type critters went extinct. It’s all Noahs fault because he wouldn’t let them on the boat.

Abiogenesis. Were you serious? Also, one doesn’t “follow” evolution. Science doesn’t require faith to exist.

An accepted theory in the scientific community requires a sigma 5, which means the data concludes 99.999997142% probability that the theory is a fact. This translates that there’s only 1 in 35,000,000 chance that the what the data indicates is accidental. You can only claim scientific discovery if you reach sigma 5 level certainty. These theories include the tectonic theory, the gravitational theory, theory of evolution, the atomic theory, cell theory, theory of relativty and so forth. 

Please read the difference between a every-day theory and a scientific theory. Only attribute they share is the name. 

“What has made you so angry with God that you need to deny Him.”
” Hey David did you know that there is more evidence that christ lived
died and rose again than there is that Thomas Jefferson ever lived?”

These two statements are what made me stop reading the comment section. First of all, I hate condescending people who think that you don’t believe in their mythology only because you’re ‘angry’ with whatever god they believe in. That is absurd. I don’t believe in god because there is no evidence, not because I’m pissed off. And for the Thomas Jefferson silliness all I have to say is, The Declaration of Independence. His signature is ON that document. There is not one piece of archeological or historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived.

This question really is a BIG DEAL.  You see if you do not believe in a young earth you must believe there was death before sin.  If this is the case, then you canot believe the creation account and must reject Genesis.  When one studies there are a few signs (both Old & New Testaments) that point to somewhere around 6,000 years. 

Elohim’s day (yom) in Genesis chapter 1 puts the day in the confines of time, “an evening and a morning”.  I like much of what Mr. Beck says but this commentary shows Biblical ignorance and was disrespectful of people who both study and believe the Word of GOD.

God created the light on the first day and the Sun on the 4th day. Makes perfect sense to me. And I guess the skeletons of the Neanderthals, Homo Erectuses, etc were just the scrap that the “almighty” made. If there was a flood. Didn’t God tell Noah to save every animal on Earth? Why were the dinosaurs not saved? The dinosaurs did not exist I guess, and the skeletons were just made in some factory and hidden by some prehistoric people so they can troll us?

There is the Bible, a book written by someone to tell the “absolute” truth, how you should love every living creature on Earth and how the love of God is unlimited, but I guess this is not true if someone is homosexual. Well, if God created Adam and Eve, it is one couple. They populated the world. So must have been some insane incest mother on son, father on girl or sister with brother action there to populate. I rather evolve from a monkey than to be from this “family”. And I guess the natives that live in jungles and have never seen a white folk will go to Hell, because they did not worship the only and true God, even if there was no-one to tell them about him. Their fault, they were born on the wrong place. Faith is a b*tch. 
How do we not know, that the Koran is the one, that is right here? What is the proof, that their God is not the only and true God, and it is yours?  There are so many religions. What makes you absolutely sure, that Christianity is the one and only. There is no wonder, that religion is based on faith (every religion), there is nothing else you can rely on. No facts, no evidence. 

Good morning friend, sounds like you may have been burned by religion???  Good thing is, it is not about religion but a loving relationship with your Creator.

You addressed several things, maybe I can help you with some answers.

The skeletal structures that are called Neanderthals, “cavemen”, I cannot answer here, too much to explain.  However, I will address your dino question.  The word “Dinosauria” first was used by Sir Richard Owen in 1941, before that most folks just called these beasts dragons.  Some small species of these creatures as well as some young ones were indeed on the ark with Noah and walked the earth long after the flood.

GOD is agape love, the purest kind of love.  You are correct, believers are supposed to love everyone but we are not to embrace sin.  We ALL fall way short but we are to strive to be obedient to GOD.  Sin seperates us from GOD but He has provided us with a Savior who’s blood can cleanse us from ANY sin.  GOD does not hate homosexuals, nor do I, but He calls it an abomination.  ANY unconfessed and unrepented of sin will seperate us from the Father for that means we reject His Son, Yeshua (jesus).

Adam lived 930 years and had many sons and daughters.  Originally brothers and sisters mated until there were many generations of people and then it was accepted no longer.

You ask good questions.  If I may be of any further assistance, my e-mail addresss is, RScowboypreacher@aol.com.

Thank you and have a great day.
Shalom,
rick

Dinosaurs
are spoken of in the Bible so thus discredits the factory need for fake
bones.  “Dragon” is used 21 times in
the OT.  There is also “sea monster”
and others.  It is even conceivable
that if the word dinosaur had even been coined back when the translation was
done to English, they may even have used it.  Homosexualality
is a sin.  Just as idolatry is
sin.  Just as adultery is sin.  Just as drunkenness is sin and so on and
so on.  God’s love extends beyond
our actions and gives the provision needed for us to be made right in His
sight through His sons death for us, which we did not deserve.  Romans
8:9-10 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while
we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being
now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.  10For if, when we were
enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more,
being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.  The
power of God is exceedingly great and beyond complete understanding for
you and I.  However, he does reveal
Himself to us and has made it clear that no man is without excuse
regarding the opportunity to trust, have faith in, Him.  Romans 1.To say
there is “nothing else you can rely on” is ignorant to the fulfilled prophecies,
prophecies to be fulfilled, and the archaeological finds that continue to
prove the accuracy of scripture to the point that the very “science” you
hold so dear would have to make the bible a “constant” by probability alone
(not that they would ever admit that!). 
Yet you choose to embrace the Swiss cheese theory of evolution that
scientist after scientist are walking away from because it lacks the
evidence.  “There is a way that
seems right unto a man, but in the end leads to death.”  I know
you, I used to be you, man I have even gone out and dug up those dinos
before!  With that, I praise the
Lord for how He has changed me.  He
has taken an moral and ethical failure and made me into a loving man of
integrity for His glory.  You
can remain in your sin, relying on yourself, or you can turn to Christ for
salvation.  Heb 9:27 “It is
appointed a man once to die, and then the judgment.”  Both are going to occur whether you
believe it or not.  You can continue
to look at things from man’s perspective, or you can choose today to begin
to see things from the all powerful Creator’s perspective.  Choice is yours.  Joshua 14:14-15.  “…as for me and my house, we will serve
the Lord.”.     

Pretty talk.   That’s how I would convince people to explore my side of the argument. 

 How do you love someone you disgusted with and you call him and his actions an abomination? If you are not disgusted with the person, you will just say, he is wrong, but to call someone an abomination is quite harsh. 

 How can be the incest accepted in any way or form? Brothers with sisters… It is disgusting and I would rather call that an abomination. This is something that I can not accept in any concept. 
 If I’m correct Sir Richard Owen made his discovery in 1842. Not the point. The fossils found are more than 200 million years old. If the human race would exist for that long, well, in that case the human race would be already travelling between planets and found a cure to cancer, AIDS, etc, and if I’m correct, the animals were created 2 tops 3 days before the human. I may be wrong in this. Did not memorize the book of creation as I’m a not believer. 
 About the savior. One person sacrificing himself for the sins of other people. This just sounds like rituals in tribes sacrificing a young virgin, so their god will forgive them their sins and mistakes they made. Again, here comes the question, why are we so sure, that the Bible is the true book of that higher power? That this many people are following the true one, and not the false one, and maybe the true gods were the Greek gods.
 I for example can not follow someone by pure believes. Stories taught from a book told by some people I don’t is not something I can believe in. 

@Trivinium…and by association David Chappy…obviously neither one of you has done any critical thinking…and…both of you think in literal terms when it comes to the Bible…otherwise known as man’s (or mankind’s) thinking. Did it ever occur to either one of you that there is no incongruency between the earth being billions of years old and the stories told in the Bible. Example…Trivinium…you seem to think literally that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman in a physical sense. Not true. There were many people on earth when Adam became the first man (you have to think spiritually when you are reading the Bible). God breathed HIS SPIRIT (spiritual life) into Adam and thus he became the first man made in the image of God (spiritually). He now had the same spirit in him as God. No other man alive at the time had God’s spirit in him. There was no sin, no redemption, no need to know or worship God until God breathed spiritual life into Adam. The concept of original sin started with Adam and Eve violating the instructions given to them by God in the Garden of Eden. Thus…now everyone is born with the original sin of Adam in them. EVERYONE. There are no innocents. Ask yourself…critically speaking…who did Cain and Seth marry if there were no other people. Do you see any mention of other siblings by Adam and Eve before Cain left and settled east of Eden. Seth was not born of Adam and Eve until after Cain left…and then other siblings were born of Adam and Eve after that. Obviously…God is telling you that there were other people on earth when the Bible states Cain and later Seth had offspring of their own with their wives. Once you accept the premise that there were other people for Cain and Seth to marry….it is no leap at all to believe that the earth was around for billions of years and mankind became a part of the creation later on. But, not until Adam…was there a man made in the image of God (in other words…with spirit). The men and women prior to Adam were dead spiritually. There was no salvation or need for it until Adam and Eve committed the original sin. I could go on…with other examples….such as your misunderstanding of the light and darkness of the first day vs the fourth day of creation, but you should be able to grasp the idea that you are thinking in literal terms and not seeing what is right in front of you if you take the time to think it through and see what God has put before you in the Bible to guide you and help you understand. But, you have to be willing to open your mind to the things you cannot see because you are only used to thinking in a literal sense. 

You seem to have a lot of faith in that statement.

“How did no-living material become a living creature?” Oh that’s easy. A supernatural being snapped his supernatural fingers and made it happen “POOF” just like that. Wow. That’s so much easier to swallow than all that crazy science stuff based on facts, truth and reality. Thinking just causes trouble. Blindly believing stuff written by ancient people who didn’t even floss, thought the earth was flat and that evil spirits caused milk to spoil is the way to go.

This question, “how old is the earth,” and the question “do you believe in evolution” are examples of the progressive trick of reframe the question, which is “Does God exist?” May I suggest the next time a secularist tries to trap someone down the path that only ends with the respondent being a crazy Bible thumper, or an insincere believer pandering to the crazy Bible thumpers, the response be “The crux of the issue is the same as it has been for every generation, and for every person: How did the universe and everything in it come into being? Was it random chance, or did Someone plan it?”

And now we have some fool in Colorado who gets all kinds of tax breaks for his newly invented brand of delusion. He claims GOD and some angels are giving him some new stuff to add to the bible and guess what? His nutty religion is attracting thousands of followers from all over the globe. If you fail in Amway, you can always go out and create a new religion. The sky’s the limit!

The whole point of the story is that someone’s belief the earth’s age is of no consequence in the political arena. And even if you are Steven Hawkings and you run around saying I know conclusively how old the earth is, you indeed are a moron. I know that the earth is at least 50 years old. Not one person alive can say it is 4 billion yo or 6000 yo. It’s impossible to say. otherwise bring it forward. Marco Rubio should tell reporters “screw you” just like Glenn suggested.

Nonsense. You’re delusional and it shows. The earth is not 6000 years old and Rubio should face reality if he wants to be taken seriously as a leader with his feet on the ground. Rubio is making a huge mistake. The voters are educated and they know the truth even if Rubio wants to hide from it by burying his head in myth.

Wrong. Rubio should admit that the science that has provided him with all the attributes of modern life that he enjoys also has the ability to demonstrate that the earth is more than 6000 years old. He refuses, and as a result, he looks like a delusional fool. Science gave us computers and we are all using them. Sparduck, you yourself trust science because you used a computer to write your message. So why don’t you trust science about the age of the earth? You and Rubio are just plain stubborn and silly

“ 99.999997142% probability that the theory is a fact”

…making it all the easier to have faith in.

You seem to have a lot of faith in your science.  Gotta have faith in something, right?

Debs, the universe is not a purpose driven creation. Believing that it is is primtive thinking based on superstition. It’s just as silly as the tribe in the South China sea that believes an injury sustained in the ocean where they forage for food can be cured if they go back to the place where it happened and urinate in the water. They truly believe that. We know better of course. We also know that the bible is not a science book of facts. It’s a religious writing. There’s a gigantic chasm between reality and religion.

landofaahs, you weren’t there when electricity was discovered or when fire was first used or when the wheel was invented either yet you use them.

“10′s of people want to know…”

HA!  Thank you for what you do, gentlemen.

Yes and ingreat faith every morning I drive across several bridges and never once do I stop before crossing and inspect the bridge underneath to make sure it is sound structurally before I cross it. I cross it on faith just as I take what God tells me on faith. So I really don’t understand the stupid point you are trying to make. How was my statement in any way saying I don’t use inventions of man? Just realize God made it and you use the Earth too just as we use fire.

is  old,the  earth  is   old.  any  time  all  people   gone  die   :l

only  the time  is  diferent.   :l     me  too  :]

verry  bad  aghost  barack  obama  not  gone  safe  america,he  is  not  america.

:      he   gone  attac  and  pooin  to  you

last  years  not  yet  finish,he  gone  countiu   against

you  have  to  remember  point  to  you,you  remember  preaper  for  him  against

I’ve got to get back there for the State fair one of these days. I have land in the eastern part of the land of aahs.

i  told  you  many  times,he  not  for  america.he  can  not   work   for  public,can  not  work  for  country.  just  way  im  not  allow   him  at  there.

:[  stupid  america  public  thing  is  no  matter.   verry  blain  and  stupid.  

If the truth has no agenda and the truth is supposed to live at The Blaze, then it’s time for Mr. Beck to give the scientists at Answers in Genesis, like he has David Barton concerning history, the air time to discuss the truth about Creation and why it does matter. 

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/age-of-the-earth

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

i  do  here  stupid  public  said  is  no problem,  :      is  that  people?   becouse  is  no  brain.   oh  my  

:]   i  do  know  some  indonesia  people  have  wish  i  do  to  indonesia/tell  happening  at  there  :[    im  blain  for  indonesia  :[  if  i  open  my  eyes  to indonesia  i  gone  crazy  :[     over  than  many  is  wrong  :[

do  you know  why i  said  that?

off  course   i  have  reason,have  on  your  brain  what  you  see?

just  try more  strong  ,will  come   :

Why do you say that scoentists can not explain gravity what about gravity don’t you understand?

How can you prove the theory of creation?

what is the diffrence between Humans and animals?

Has GQ asked the guy who raised the oceans these past five years?

Virus do evolve. just like your body evolves to fight viruses.

The question as to how old our earth is, is laughable and anyone putting a number to it, I don’t care their credentials, Is ridiculous!

They cannot prove what causes it. Understand? How can I prove the theory of creation? That is easy. There is a test going on as we speak and has been going on for thousands of years. When God returns to jusge the Earth, the results and proof of the experiment will be there for you. Of course for many it will be too late then to be useful. That is why I take it on faith at first, but now with my personal relationship with Christ, it is not a leap of faith but absolute proof to me which I nor anyone else can relate to others. It is a personal gift from God for which I am most thankful. I know that is rediculous to some people and that is your right. Have your own way. See how tolerant we Christians are? We allow you disagree with us and as for me, I am not upset that you don’t get it. It’s not my job to see that you get it. That is the Holy Spirit’s work not mine. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. Perhaps in time he will have mercy on you also. Until my end it is my job to be a witness of the things I know and believe. I am doing so.

   just  like ,do  you  know when  you  die?  and  date  ,the  time?    :]  

Proving the theory of Creation is as easy as proving the theory of evolution – they both have the same evidence.  The biggest difference is that evolution defies the laws of science and make the assumption that randomness can bring order – a violation of every observation in science. It is far more scientific to assume that design, complexity and code came from intelligence, for that is the only source for same ever observed in science. The downfall of evolution, and one great reason why it is NOT scientific is that it sets preconditions upon the observations, that no matter how strong the evidence leading towards a supernatural conclusion, that conclusion is not allowed. Any investigation that does not allow one to follow the evidence to a logical conclusion is dogma, and not science.

the  earth  not  so  good  look like  long  long  ago,yours  earth  many  many  dirty    :]

that  you  can  see  with  real  eyes  :]

Silly liberals/progressives/communists. The geological record shows the earth to be much older than 6000 years. And, global warming/cooling has been going on since the planet was first formed, from whatever. No one was around to report how that happened, and still living today. So, one theory is as good as another. Theories are those postulations which supposedly brilliant people make about how things may have worked out. Not necessarily provable, in the empirical(beyond doubt, 1+1=2 type of thing) sense. None of us will know for sure how it all came to be until we die. Maybe, not even then. For Rubio to answer the “gotcha” question as he did is his prerogative, and he is entitled to do so. The “tolerant” liberals, etc. cannot substantiate the origins of the planet any differently with their theories(remember, theories are unproven and just speculations about something) of the supposedly brilliant experts on the planet. So, one  opinion about these things is as good as another, right? Unless it doesn’t agree with the liberals/progressives/communists opinion, or theory, or whatever, of course.
Never read GQ. Now I know I won’t ever read their rag. Expect to see more of demonization of conservatives in the near future. No surprise.

evolution does not try and state that randomness brings order. It states that all animals have a shared ancestor and that all animals evoled from there depending on the enviorment that they lived in. What are the preconditions of observation that you are speaking of. And your telling me that the theary of creation is true just because someone wrote it in a book and no one prove that is real. we can study the effects of evolution.

 Great question. Nobody will be able to answer that one, without referring to a supreme being(God). Lots of theories, but not empirical evidence. Faith is what differentiates the believers in a God from those who say evolution is the beginning of all. Yet, they cannot answer your question. Then there is mine, who created the non-living material in the first place? Ah, don’t ya just love toying with mental midgets in this world? 

Remeber when you have a scientific theory you have to show you facts to support your theory. With the theory of creation there are no facts it’s just what the bible says. remeber the same people who worte the bible thought the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the uviverse.

There is no christ. get over it

Scientists have done experiments in which they created what would have been the conditions on earth a few billion years ago. They filled a container with water, carbon dioxide, methane and ammonia and supplied energy to it such as UV light or electrical sparks to represent primordial thunder. After a few weeks, a brown soup formed in which more complex molecules were found such as amino acids, the building blocks of protein which are essential for life. laboratory simulations of chemical conditions of earth before the coming of life have yielded organic substances called purines and pyrimidines which are the building blocks of the genetic molecule, DNA itself. At some point in history a particularly remarkable molecule was formed by a process called abiogenesis, we will call this the ‘replicator’. The first molecule capable of making copies of itself and just like any thing that creates copies of itself, it is never perfect and changes happen and cause the molecule to develop differently than the previous generation of itself (evolution).

Scientists have done experiments in which they created what would have been the conditions on earth a few billion years ago. They filled a container with water, carbon dioxide, methane and ammonia and supplied energy to it such as UV light or electrical sparks to represent primordial thunder. After a few weeks, a brown soup formed in which more complex molecules were found such as amino acids, the building blocks of protein which are essential for life. laboratory simulations of chemical conditions of earth before the coming of life have yielded organic substances called purines and pyrimidines which are the building blocks of the genetic molecule, DNA itself. At some point in history a particularly remarkable molecule was formed by a process called abiogenesis, we will call this the ‘replicator’. The first molecule capable of making copies of itself and just like any thing that creates copies of itself, it is never perfect and changes happen and cause the molecule to develop differently than the previous generation of itself (evolution).

Can you proove that? LOL He is,I know it, so you get over it. Every post I receive from lost and condemned creatures such as you makesd me even more thankful for the gift Christ has given me. So appropriate for the season. The joy I have is wonderful. The peace I have against the storm of unbelievers is beyond all understanding. Must suck to be you.

So, you think the Bible’s view on women, its positioning her as an inferior submissive secondary (creation-wise) role in relation to men… you think that somehow God wants it to be that way? Or he wanted it that way back then? And now He (really? he’s male? okay) changed his mind?

Which type of theology?

I had a “fine burger” yesterday. Feinberg. Is that a muslim name? lol

I know its a very complex world in there, in smaller and smaller things. Yet, when you try to make scientific studies agree (emphasis on make) you are hardly doing science. It’s more akin to religious propaganda. You know, what Beck here does.

Just how is evolution falsifiable? Every major tenant of Darwins concept has been proven false, yet the theory mutates into neo-Darwinism, and that has proven irrational, yet still taught in textbooks as fact. 75 years ago, Darwinism WAS probably a reasonable hypothesis. We had the evidence of recapitulation, we had the Urey experiments, the evidence of Piltdown man, etc. Two of the three were intentional frauds to bolster the theory, the third (Urey) proved beyond reasonable doubt that unlimited manpower, money and intelligence could not make the slightest progress towards creating life, therefore making it almost a scientific certainty that it did NOT happen by random circumstances.

Evolution is a random collection of unprovable assumptions held together only by the necessity to have a theory that does not require an intelligent Creator.

Not impressed at all. 

 Dude, I am amazed that you feel that you need to use such language to get your point across.

I’ve read it. Throughly and for a while, before I read much else, I believed those who said every other religion was wrong (based on their interpretation of the Bible). Now I’ve read a lot more. And you know what, I see the Bible for what it is. Just like you said, it’s a (narrow, I might add) faith-affected perspective of a (very narrow) piece of history. And as that, it only works today to make people close minded and narrow. It’s not the Bible’s fault, and it’s not God’s fault either (obviously). It’s just that signs (I’m a semiotician) cannot be understood by what they mean, signs (like the Bible) don’t mean just one thing that can be looked up on the dictionary or consulted with a wise old priest (usually male). Signs, complex as they can be, can only be understood by the habits they instill on those who grant them significance. Religion has a very bad behavioral record throughout history. All religions. Do we stop believing in God. Of course not, we just don’t follow those who claim to understand him better, because they don’t. God’s truth usually reveals to individuals in their particularity, not because they are devout Christians, Muslims or Jews, but because they have love in their lives. Because God loves them because they love. And that is usually missed by Bible thumping fundamentalists. They think if they just controlled what everyone did then God wouldn’t be so mad at us all and punish us (the Glenn Beck hypothesis). So yes, the Bible is more than poetry, but it’s also more than Christians think. And yes, we have changed A LOT since Cain killed Abel. Only a conservative will try to make you think otherwise. Thankfully, I’m not. No you can claim I’ll be punished to hell.

You’re too old for imaginary friends.

All time is relative and arbitrary.  If we lived the life of the day Lilly, 24 hourswould seem like a satisfactory life span.  Do you think the rock you standon has any concept of how long it’s been in existence?  We are all rocksand our humanity is what makes us wonder about all these things, things that are basically unknowable.  You can take your agnosticism to the gave with you, perhaps you are right, but if wrong, you have a very specialsurprise waiting for you.  Good luck in your loneliness and your search for morality and truth in the darkness of your beliefs.

 Um . . . do you know how to intelligently parse a sentence? It appears from your inability to follow the flow of the sentence in question that is you who would be most likely inane, and certainly ignorant . . .

 Your logic is . . .?  No one is unbiased. The question is which is the best bias to be biased by. Obviously yours isn’t the one I’d chose – it being so unscientific and all . . .

 and 3.8 billion  isn’t enough to equalize the temperature in the universe. And moons like Io that should be completely and thoroughly dead are in fact very happy volcanic campers – in total contradiction of your theory. Your theory about Io might have been reasonable 40 years ago, but science has progressed to far to keep your unscientific fairy tale alive today. The evidence is for a much younger universe.

If you believe that the Bible is true then you take Genesis as written – count the generations and the number you come to is about 6,000 years ago. So, yes Glen, the Bible does tell you how old the earth is.  How this question affects a political figure…I don’t know, he may look at humanity as intrinsic and worthy of being protected.  Hmmmm, sounds a bit scary…NOT

I don’t have imaginery friends. I have real ones. I doubt you have either.

Shameless self-promotion: 
 http://caldwellscorner.com/blog/?p=5661

What makes it worse though is that Peter Wehner went after Rubio as well and of course the Morning Joe bunch chimed in on the conservative attacking a conservative bit.

The left will stop at NOTHING to destroy this nation as founded!

That’s “Day 6″ time which does not account for the very beginnings of creation.  God alone knows how long it took to get to humanity.

And if you think about it, 6000 years is about how long civilization has been in existence in Mesopotamia. By civilization, I refer to life in the city rather than as a nomadic culture.

Rev Rick — it’s poetry.  How can there be evening and morning before there is light — day and night.  ”It was evening and it was morning, the first day,” etc., is a poetic device, like a song’s refrain, to separate God’s creative activity into distinct phases.

Rev. Helen, MDiv SBTS 1982

That tells you how long human civilization has been around.  It does not tell you how long the planet or universe has been around.  To God, one day is as a thousand years — poetry fm the Psalm.  You cannot interpret poetry the same way you interpret prose.

We are supposed to possess a moral core that allows for moral reasoning and rational thought.

My pets know what is acceptable behavior and comply when I’m watching (most of the time).  However, a dirty dish in the sink is an invitation to nibble and can’t really be refused.  At the age of accountability, we can choose to refuse, the pet can’t.  It operates on instinct that says “eat now or go hungry.”

The answer is between Genesis Chapter1:1 when it states “In the beginning.” period and 1:2.  We don’t know when God created this Earth,however we know through science or what ever it is millions if not billions of years old. The book of Peter tells about the three World Ages.
You must know the beginning before you can learn about the end.
Steve

To FT — never said I would force studies to say what I want.  Those cannot be reproduced, and thus are not science the way we define it.

What I am saying is that organisms do not spontaneously sprout flagella, fully formed, to become newly evolved species.  That is what evolution at its core demands.

To FT — any kind of theology that examines the nature of the relationship of God, Man, Sin, and Salvation.  For instance, Buddhism was invented to deal w/theodicy (why do the righteous suffer).  Even it cannot deal w/the question by saying other than work harder at detachment, for even the Buddhist righteous suffer.

To FT — how has man changed since Cain?  Are we not just as lonely, jealous, angry, greedy for attention?  Only the will tamed by God can trust Him even in the storm of life.

Your sign-based faith is still faith.  One day, you will see the signs in the Heavens.  As to hell, that is up to you to decide where you spend eternity.

Not evolution, but survival of the fittest.

Cyrus the Great who set the Jews free fm Babylonian captivity was called Anointed/Christ.  Anyone who actively works with God to free the captives fm sin is an anointed one.

Jesus is God the Son, anointed to set all the world free fm the power of sin and death.   Only God could provide the Yom Kippur sacrifice for the whole world’s sin.  Jesus is the God-Man who takes our place as the ram took Isaac’s place that we might live.

Perhaps, but science has never created life.  It can create its molecular building blocks, but not life.

U Chicago did more experiments trying to duplicate Miller’-Ureys and came out w/different results, largely based on atmospheric contents.

Your theory or abiogenesis still requires a good bit of faith and more than that of luck since in all the lab experiments, nobody has gotten it to do it again.  If the primordial soup were so able to make life fm organic compounds, why does it refuse our best efforts?  Even the old Miller experimental vials uncorked after his death contained even more different organic compounds than first discovered — but, alas, no life, just organic compounds.

Life is extraordinarily special.  It is not random.  It is a gift given by God.

That’s why we don’t eat cow brains or spinal cuts.  Kosher cuts do NOT include these portions.

This is a typical trap question from the left. They know if he answers 4 billion or so then they can throw his faith into question. If he answers 6000 years he is a fanatic that denies science, and they can discredit him. 

The truth is no one knows for sure. My astronomy teacher who is also a Christian at Fermilab (one of the best scientific research facilities in the world) super collider. His world view as mine is that the Bible is inspired by God but written by men in a manner that they could understand. To understand the beginning, Moses is probably looking and hearing about a sped up process of what happened. The Bible is what we need to know to have a relationship with our creator nothing more. 

An interesting note here is that In my church was the brother of one of the co-founders of Answers in Genesis. He swears that the universe is 6000 years and he can prove it. My astronomy professor who was also his professor states he can prove the universe is 15 billion years old. Both are wrong, either way it takes faith that what we know and can test now was the same in the past, there is no way to verify that so either way it takes a leap of faith.

I want to see the news anchor with the stones to ask a Muslim that question. They believe in the same 6000 year as the Christians who take the Bible’s account literally. They will never do it.

Jesus Christ rose from the dead. He is living. Their messiah’s are dead. My God lives!

I’m always hearing atheists ask Christians why they care so much about what they do. At least our reason for caring is because we do believe in a very real Heaven & Hell & wish that none shall see the former. What is your reason though? Why do you have so much to say about mine & other’s faith? You certainly don’t have our well-being in mind as you are incredibly rude & ignorant to our Bible. Funny that you rip on us for the same crap that you are pulling. No one truly knows how old the world is as even science & logic tells us that something does not come from nothing. So with your reasoning, why is it more absurd to believe that God designed the universe rather than it just designing itself? Until you have a concrete answer, you should probably refrain from being condescending to others. You are certainly no closer to enlightenment than I am. 

A pet can chose not to eat something just like a person can choose to do something. Moral core? humans are animals it’s just that our intelligence has made us the dominate species on the planet.

Evolution is survival of the fittest. That is where the phrase comes from.

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father
fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath
humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

No need to remind me not to take what is written in the Bible literally.

Though the question may sound silly and no one knows the age of the earth, but then the attack of the reporter or those who aske dthe question is eqully silly. Must you read a conspiracy to everythng that is against you?  thought you guys claims liberals have thin skin? Am begining to see how think skinned the conservatives are too.

Agreed. The best answer so far is one e got from the Bible and i suspect thats how its going to be. So net time Rubio is asked, let him refer them to the BIble and not the scientists. He’s not the bright boy as he’s potrayed. Wonder why Beck did not call him out on that? Wonder!

Go look in the mirror and you will know that God exists. And read Roman 1:19-22 for a better understanding. Blessings

at this time, man has been on the earth for 6000 years (6 days of creation, 1 day as a thousand yrs to God)- the 7th day (7000 years or Daniel’s 70th week) is the millennial reign of Christ (hence God resting on the 7th day – that’s the millennial reign).  The bible says nothing about how old the earth is – just how long man has been here.  It is pretty clear by looking at the earth and the craters/damage that is here that there was certainly some big battle and man was not here for all of that or he wouldn’t have made it (which the bible also discusses a big battle in the heavens btw between lucifer and his angels against God and his angels – lucifer was cast down to the earth).   but how old the earth is … only God knows – science doesn’t even really know.  the earth itself is probably billions of years old.  the serpent was clearly already here when adam and eve were in the garden.  who knows how long that creep was hanging around.  Bottom line:  time is up and the hour is late. we are at the 6000 years – Christ is coming back and it will be soon…  keep looking up everybody!  it is truly something else to have been born at this time…scary but exciting!

jimsponsored,
What sort of a Christian are you? Stop calling others “dumb zombies”. See what God says about such talks in James 3:8-10. Our first priority as Christians is to show people that what we believe is real. He is ignorant but we beahve worse when we resort to usingfoul words unbecoming of a true Christians. Think for a moment, if Christ we around you when you used that same words. I bet He’ll tell rebuke you and say exactly wat is in Luke 9:55.
As for your questions, yes, scientist have been struggling with that for a long time. 

you clearly speak of things you know absolutely nothing about but I don’t have the time or space on this board to give you a lesson.  it’s a very deep subject and one that most cannot understand – how can you understand something you know nothing about.  you have eyes but are blind and ears but cannot hear.  I pray they will opened and you will have understanding.  

no, we’re just amused.

Poor you. So its only Sun that gives light eh? You need to read the Bible with an open and humble mind to understand it. I will suggest you read it all over again instead of looking for loopholes that are not there. Blessings

Question is why do men believe other mortal men than God? Who verifies science? Is it not fellow humans? Why is it so easy to approve of man’s limited intellect and hard to approve of God’a infinite and limitless wisdom? I guess it muts be a dull hearst as the Bible states.

Bless your soul

“How can there be evening and morning before there is light — day and night. “It was evening and morning, the first day”

Well… there are stars older than the one in our solar system. There is light generated from other  stars/galaxies. Look at the light produced from the Milky Way ( if you are in an area away from contamination from manmade electric light contamination).

It was evening and morning, the first day” This could describe the creation of the Sun (Sol) of OUR specific Solar System — when it first condensed into a star, starting a self-sustaining nuclear reaction, that was then able to generate light.

Could this be evening and morning , the first day, for our Solar System ? There was light already in existence when our Sun was created, generated from older stars/galaxies..

 ”God created the light on the first day and the Sun on the 4th day. Makes
perfect sense to me.”

Its truly a problem when you make no attempt to understand that which you rail so ignorantly about. If there was no sun there would still be a light spectrum, and light, which is what I understand this statement to mean. First you put the physical laws into place, then you have something to build upon. We are, after all, talking about an intelligent designer here. If not, where did all these perfect laws of physics come from? Randomness does not create order.

“And I guess the skeletons of the Neanderthals,
Homo Erectuses, etc were just the scrap that the “almighty” made.”

You are talking about the same species here – not three. If they can interbreed, they are a single species. Most science has abandoned the distinction. Guess you are just out of date

“If
there was a flood. Didn’t God tell Noah to save every animal on Earth?
Why were the dinosaurs not saved? The dinosaurs did not exist I guess,
and the skeletons were just made in some factory and hidden by
some prehistoric people so they can troll us?”

Again, you are arguing from ignorance – God saved reproducible samples of all KINDS of land-dwelling animals. One Canine pair is all it would take to produce all the canine varieties we see today. And you know there was a flood if you know geology. Dragons WERE saved, and lived for millenia following the flood (dinosaurs is such a modern word for such an ancient creature) and may still exist today. You cannot prove the statement that they do NOT exist – every year thousands of new species are found as we penetrate further and further into uncharted areas, whether it be jungle or underwater. The Wollemi pine (Araucariodies genus) was just found in Australia – it is in the same rock layers as dragons, but in no subsequent strata, and presumed extinct. It flourishes in Australia today.

This is one example where evolution stifles the advancement of science – because every culture on earth has left behind examples and illustrations of dragons. Evolutionists state that is impossible because of their irrational commitment to long ages. Give up the long age paradigm and lots of anthropology and archeology and history suddenly become understandable. We KNOW that the Sweitzer specimens cannot be millions of years old because collagen products cannot last that long. That necessarily brings the existence of dragons within 100,000 years. We have been refused the opportunity to carbon date those specimens, but others from the same area have been , and I believe the age returned was under 40,000 years, or right in keeping with what a creationist would expect.

 You made your own dilemma – the Bible gives an answer, the one you mock. But science hasn’t a clue – every time they think they do, they simply confirm the law of biogenesis – that life only comes from life – a statement so immutable that it IS called a law. Only when science can demonstrate the origination of life apart from a creator does you statement take on the significance  to dispel your demonstration of your scientific illiteracy and irrational opposition to evidence.

 Patience my friend. Sometimes you have to hit the donkey over the head with a 2×4 to get their attention. Only then does anything else get through. Not always . . .

Jesus used some very choice words on the irrational and false religious of his day – sometimes meekness needs to be replaced with righteous anger! Jesus was our example of that as well!

Wow. G S. Fabulous retort. I’m convinced now. G S has just conclusively determined that the Genesis acount of creation is nothing more than a silly myth. To give it any credibility is delusional and foolish. Bravo. The debate folks is over, Thanks to G S. Throw those King James bibles and Torahs away. With out a shred of evidence G S has just knocked down creation science> Hoorah G S! Why have I been so stubborn and silly? Hmmmmmm!

Where do they come from Helen? And Helen in the Genesis account of creation, the author reiterates for five days that there was evening and morning that day. It’s a literal 24 hour period.

Who are you quoting? Its hogwash. Assuming there was a “remarkable” molecule, it would certainly not be self replicating. In fact, the whole story is a fairy tale. I don’t think even any reputable scientist accepts this.

You truly need to read about the Urey experiments. What they proved was that life’s building blocks could NOT start in that supposed environment. The amino acids that were produced had to be immediately sequestered or they disappeared – the natural occurring aminos were orientated both right and left handed equally – they cancel each other out. Living organisms produce left handed aminos

http://creation.com/shaking-hands-on-a-recent-creation

Their assumption of the primitive environment was also false – they assumed no oxygen was present. But there was water, and it cannot form in the absence of oxygen; there is evidence of oxygen in the “earliest” rocks. Oxygen would have destroyed any naturally occurring aminos instantly, hence the need for sequestration

 Molecules do NOT make copies of themselves

Jesus is the only one who was raised from the dead and seen by hundreds of witnesses.  The rest of the religions leaders are dust.  That is how we know to believe Jesus when he said “I am the way the truth and the life, no one see the Father God except through me”  The rest are dust in the ground.  And if they walk the talk then you see God confirming the Word of God by sign, Miracles and Wonders following.  NOT judging to agree all who reject the son’s death for them that only the wrath of the Father remains.

To read the bible to be more than words or a book you need to ask the spirit of God (Holy Spirit) to give you revelation to what he has wrote.  Otherwise you will have blinders on and not understand it.  I know it was my case until I got a real relationship with Jesus.  Like he above said we hate the sinful act but not the person who is committing it.  Only God Judges whether one is saved or is judged.  Many have been saved at the last minute because they repent of their lives and he is merciful. 

 ”and how the love of God is unlimited, but I guess this is not true if someone is homosexual.”  Someone being an active  homosexual is defiance of (rebellion against) God. If you feel you are a mutant  (a variation from the norm) and have an attraction to other men, then the Biblical position is to remain celibate. For those who have mutated to have an attraction to animals, we (well, most people anyway) also expect them to remain celibate, so I don’t see the issue. And people with those attractions can and do change – the apostle Paul wrote of those in the Corinthian church and listed some of their former lives, including sodomy, and then stated “and such were some of you”. I known enough sodomites to be sure that this Biblical change can and does take place.

That you still love a rebellious child is not because of his rebellion, but in spite of it. He may not think so, because he wants his rebellion celebrated, not corrected.

 ”Well, if God created Adam and Eve, it is one couple. They populated the
world. So must have been some insane incest mother on son, father on
girl or sister with brother action there to populate.”

When Adam has his children, perhaps several hundred, there were no genetic defects in the human genome, and no restrictions against intra family marriage. many of the Patriarchs in the OT married very close – to the point of marrying your half sister, in the case of Abraham. Marriage was still between a man and a woman. And NOT between parent and child. By the time Adam died, there were already whole civilizations in existence. The US is less than 400 years old – Adam lived for twice that.

I fail to see your point, and not sure you truly have one, except to justify your intransigence and irreverence.

 ”And I guess the natives that live in jungles and have never seen a white
folk will go to Hell, because they did not worship the only and true
God, even if there was no-one to tell them about him. Their fault, they
were born on the wrong place. Faith is a b*tch. ”

Your big problem is not about the spiritual destiny of those who have not heard the gospel, but where YOU are going to spend eternity. All your obfuscations aside – the simple issue is that you cannot claim, as an aboriginal may, that you didn’t know the gospel or didn’t have an opportunity to respond. You will only be able to state that you were in rebellion against God, and had no interest in His forgiveness, and therefore willingly bear the full burden for the sins you have committed, bot the least of which is your intentional rebellion against God.

As far as the aboriginals are concerned – Romans, in the first few chapters explains that the punishment will be in accordance with the knowledge because God is just and loving, that God has given mankind a witness within his own spirit, even if they do not have the gospel explained to them.

I trust God to do what is right. I don’t think you are capable of judging the Creator of the universe, morally or intellectually. I you were, then you would be God’s equal. Lucifer tried that – how did that work out?

 ”How do we not know, that the Koran is the one, that is right here? What
is the proof, that their God is not the only and true God, and it is
yours?  There are so many religions. What makes you absolutely sure,
that Christianity is the one and only. There is no wonder, that religion
is based on faith (every religion), there is nothing else you can rely
on. No facts, no evidence. ”

One proof of the validity of the value of a sacred text is its reliability when predicting the future. The Bible excels at this – the koran is a total failure. Even the existence of the koran is the result of accurate predictions in the Jewish Torah – that Abraham’s two sons would be as numerous as the stars of the sky, that they would constantly be at war, and that one man’s descendents would be as wild donkeys. That was 4000 years ago. The Bible is about one third prophesy, all it if that has happened, has happened exactly as predicted. The current nation of Israel and its surrounding by enemies was prophesied in Daniel, Ezekiel, and other books. The prediction by Jesus that the Temple of Herod – one of the great buildings of its day, would be torn apart, stone by stone, was literally and completely fulfilled, because of a design feature in Herod’s plans. So many prophesies, all accurate. The koran on the other hand has no such track record. It is in almost every way a poor attempt at mimicking the Bible, Its contents are close to idle babble, and contain NO moral, predictive or scientific value.

So you are wrong – there is an incredible amount of evidence from science, archeology and history, and a world full of facts to support Christianity.

 This is what I wrote to the blaze earlier,

 You 3 showed absolute ignorance of the whole discussion of the age of the earth
yesterday. There are a lot of Bible believing people who listen to you and you
treated the subject like a big joke. Because you didn’t know even the basics of
the discussion, you leaned heavily toward the idea that anyone who believes (for
biblical reasons by the way) in a young earth was an idiot. That is the same
idea that those who went after Rubio have. Your impromptu online investigations
and inability to comprehend what you found only made things worse. You should
get someone on the show that understands the reasoning behind the young earth
idea and give them some time to intelligently frame the discussion. The 3 of
you acted like buffoons and stomped all over the Bible in a mocking
condescending way. If you don’t understand the subject matter, get educated or
stay away from it – instead of sounding more like Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews
than GBTV. 

By the way David C.  I suppose what you lack in
substance you cover up with profanity.  Sound science DOES back up a
young earth model.

All you critics that just spew evolutionist
talking points.  Do a web search for a downloadable book called the
“evolution cruncher.”  If your honest, it will answer all of the cliche
questions that you are so proud of.

“Blindly believing stuff written by ancient people who didn’t even floss,
thought the earth was flat and that evil spirits caused milk to spoil
is the way to go.”

I doubt there was J&J many years ago. But the Bible teaches the bible is a sphere (not flat), suspended on nothing, as opposed to the science of the day which was, as is often the case, wrong! The first five books of the Bible were compiled by Moses, and are quite different than the historical records we have from the Egyptians for whom he was being primed as a prince. Either he made up the stories he wrote, or Someone told him about it. I’ve never heard about evil spirits spoiling milk, but then again there have been so many weird and erroneous “facts” of science that maybe I missed that one. Dark energy and matter, alchemy, recapitulation, Oort’s cloud – all scientific myths that have been pretty well debunked.

Speaking of Moses, the Levitical laws were the worlds first public health manual, and was about 3000 years ahead of science – the sort of thing you might expect if an intelligent creator gave a manual to those He created so they could live healthy and happy lives.

So I reject your concept that I believe anything blindly. Maybe when I was an evolutionist, but not now!

 ”a brown soup formed in which more complex molecules were found such as
amino acids, the building blocks of protein which are essential for life”

those aminos were NOT essential for life – they would prevent it. While aminos are essential to life (the right kind of left-handed aminos) they are remarkably insufficient – your statement makes as much sense as a piece of rust pcurring and then having the ability to make a 747 without any further intelligence being supplied. Neither accurate nor scientific. You sound like a very young individual – you certainly don’t seem to critique your sources.

The disconnect is that evolution isn’t science – it is purely faith. As you say, science does not require faith – any tenant of science can be repeated and observed – that which cannot be is not science. There is more science against the theory, science that has to be ignored to “follow” evolution.

I didn’t get your point of abiogenesis – that is the holy grail of evolutionary fantasy. It has never been observed – the number of science projects that have been done to study the issue tend to prove abiogenesis is impossible. The Wistar conferences, Francis Crick’s studies, and many others bear out this thought.

 Interesting that those “facts” for which the current scientism crowd fight so hard will all be discounted as irrelevant, fraudulent or “old thought” by the next gaggle of scientists. At my age, I can state with certainty that almost everything I was taught as evidence for evolution in school is now in one of those categories. They keep throwing out the “proofs” but they still stick with the theory.

You don’t need to lie – there is NO way that evolution is a sigma 5 theory It is still a theory of consensus, not evidence.

 Except this is an assumption, not fact – it assumes facts not in evidence!

 And what makes you think you are right? Science is against you! Rubio is correct, you are wrong. That’s not news! I doubt your ability to match him intellectually.

 It is obvious that you are historically illiterate

Point? Electrical theory was discovered by creationists, those neanderthal knuckle draggers you love to malign. You still haven’t any concept of abiogenesis, and until you do, you are simply blowing evolutionary smoke.

We? The dietary Jewish laws started with the Jewish religion about 1312 BCE. What about the rest of the world/civilization? Calf’s brains, or cervelle de veau, is a traditional delicacy in Europe and Morocco. Cow and Veal brain is eaten in France, Italy, El Salvador, Mexico, etc. where they are called sesos in Spanish and are eaten in tacos and quesadillas; Pakistan, where they are known in Urdu as Maghaz; Portugal; Indonesia; and in the United States, especially in St. Louis, Missouri, and the Ohio River valley.

The back half of the cow is not considered Kosher, the front is.
Cow brains are not only Kosher, they also lead to the development of the CT scan.
Remember that Kosher refers to the manor in which the animal is killed and butchered.

That wasn’t the issue. I posted to HELEN that bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), sometimes referred to as “mad cow disease” cannot be killed by cooking, to which she replied “That’s why we don’t eat cow brains or spinal cuts. Kosher cuts do NOT include these portions.”

I was not addressing what parts were “Kosher”, except to mention when the dietary laws started, and pointed out that not everyone rejects eating the brain. Go back to the original posts to see how the subject ran…

God’s time is not measured in the same way as ours. The Bible says, to God a thousand years is like a day. So the creation took at least 6000 years to complete. The dinosaurs may have lived and become extinct within that 6000 year period or before the time of Noah.
I believe God created many more people of different races. Adam and Eve were only the first two people to create a human life on their own. Because before they ate from the tree of knowledge they didn’t even know they were naked and afterwards God said to women “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;with painful labor you will give birth to children.Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you.” 

 First you explain gravity My father studies it as a scientist for many years and still didn’t claim to understand it.

Then I will explain creation to you so perfectly that you will truly understand it

God’s time is not measured in the same way as ours. The Bible says, to God a thousand years is like a day. So the creation took at least 6000 years to complete. The dinosaurs may have lived and become extinct within that 6000 year period or before the time of Noah.I believe God created many more people of different races. Adam and Eve were only the first two people to create a human life on their own. Because before they ate from the tree of knowledge they didn’t even know they were naked and afterwards God said to women “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;with painful labor you will give birth to children.Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you.” 

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 ”evolution does not try and state that randomness brings order. It states
that all animals have a shared ancestor and that all animals evoled
from there depending on the enviorment that they lived in. What are the
preconditions of observation that you are speaking of. And your telling
me that the theary of creation is true just because someone wrote it in a
book and no one prove that is real. we can study the effects of
evolution.”

Corey, you are playing with words. Astrophysicists use the term evolution to refer to the beginning of the solar system, the formation of elements, and the accretion of planets. They apply it also to organisms – it is a word with as many meanings as people seem to want.

To perform ANY of these “evolutions” there has to be order out of chaos, if it all stared with an infinite explosion of random nothing. To deny that simply makes you look uninformed and illiterate.

There is NO evidence of any shared ancestor from science – the “Cambrian Explosion” shows enormous numbers of lifeforms all appearing for the first time, all fully and completely formed, with NO intermediates. Dr. Collin Patterson, the lifelong director of the British Natural Museum, was asked about why his books on evolution never showed any intermediate forms; his (honest) reply was that if he knew of any, he would surely have included them, but there was no one that he could make a case for.

And some of those creatures had functions that were impossible to harmonize with evolution – eg the eye of the Trilobite was the most complex eye known for a long time, and only recently were computers powerful enough to even do the calculations on its compound lenses. Tremendous complexity with no less complex ancestry. And it was made of calcite, to boot!

Your statement about common ancestry is a statement of faith – there is NO science to support that. It is a belief system, not science. Like Oorts cloud, common ancestry is a philosophical necessity, not a scientific observation – necessary to support an unscientific theory..

http://creation.com/science-creation-and-evolutionism-refutation-of-nas

Now as to your statement about studying the effects of evolution – I think you have this backwards. When we study any science dealing with life, we see NO example of evolution – we do see thousands, maybe millions of examples of entropy – the opposite of evolution. Extinctions is often caused by entropy. We see it every day when there are Siamese twins born, or one eyed animals or animals with an extra leg – all deterioration of the genome, not improvements, ever.  Those bacteria you hear about that have mutated to resist an anti-biotic are not evolution – they are entropy, as almost every single one, maybe by now EVERY one, have a specific deterioration in their genome that allows them to be unaffected by the anti-biotic. That is a loss of genetic information, not the gain in genetic information needed for evolution.

http://creation.com/does-the-acquisition-of-antibiotic-and-pesticide-resistance-provide-evidence-for-evolution

http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-study-guide-lesson-2

I’ve read many of these posts and its rather amazing to me just how many different opinions abound on this one subject alone, and most here claim to understand God, what a telling sign of ignorance of the so called religious …

You are about the closest I’ve read so far, of having the simple truth, as you have stated, it’s a rather lengthy study, but at this late date in man history of man occupying the earth, you’d think most of us, if not all, would know by now.

But by not knowing the absolute simple answer, only keeps those who profess a belief in a higher Being, looking like, well, goof-balls in the eyes of those who do not hold such views. On and on the argument goes and nothing in the form of advancing the truth is achieved. Glenn seems to think, that its no big deal, but he is wrong, for one, science does back up the bible 100% and if more of us truly did care – we would know the answer, then when the question comes up, the only answer possible is given, If more of us proved the truth of the matter to ourselves, then there would potentially be millions more who would understand a more important question – “is there a God?” making life more worth living, in other words – giving our frail human existence more meaning than simply serving the self during our lives. But after reading many, if not most, of these posts – who can blame so many of our peers for not believing in God.

This simple question, exposes the real reason why so many who fill our ranks, do not – and will not – except the reality that there most definitely is a divine creator. Religious Confusion has been the real cause for wars – crime – and all other evils the world over. Ask this same simple question to ten different religious leaders, and you will get at least ten different answers.- Sad

 Janet, you’re just trying to cram long periods of time into the Bible because the culture has convinced you that you must do so.  But, we aren’t free to just make things up. 

The thousand years are as a day and a day is as a thousand years passage – taken in context – simply means that God is not constrained by time in the same way that we are.  It doesn’t mean that we can substitute 1000 yrs for an “evening and morning” day whenever we want to.

The only reason that people try to stretch out the days is because they believe scientists have real evidence to support their theories.  They really don’t.  Check out the free e-book that I suggested in an earlier post.  It’s an eye opener.

As for races, there is only one race, the human race.  Acts 17 tells us that God made all men of “one blood.”  The genetic information for skin color and other traits were all present in Adam and Eve’s gene pool.  As parts of the human family became relatively isolated in certain parts of the globe, various genetic traits became dominant as the gene pool narrowed.

The only evidence you have that God “created many more people of different races” is your own imagination.

If you start tampering with the 1st 11 chapters of Genesis, you may as well just chuck the whole Bible, because you won’t know what is true and what isn’t.  You also won’t be able to trust anything Jesus (and several others) said, because he taught that the creation account was accurate and literal.

As for the dinosaurs, their numbers probably began to dwindle after the flood of Noah’s day about 4,300 years ago or so.  The cataclysm of the flood was so dramatic that it altered the planet forever and the conditions were no longer conducive for the largest of these reptiles.  Even so, there are records of dragons (the termed dinosaur – meaning terrible lizard – was not coined until about 100 yrs ago)  throughout recorded history until fairly recent times.

It all lines up perfectly with the Bible if we really look at the evidence.  The big bang is a big dud.  Spontaneous life is mathematically impossible.  Natural selection proved to be a failed theory to prove evolution of species.  Mutations ended up being a dead end also.  And punctuated equilibrium is nothing more than a grasping at straws by people who had nothing better to try.  Saying – by blind faith – “We know evolution occurred, natural selection and mutations don’t work, so it MUST be …” isn’t scientific.  It’s desperation.  At the end of the day, you can dress up the arguments, but that is where we are at.

It takes a lot less faith to believe the Bible than it takes to believe the scientists.

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 ”God’s time is not measured in the same way as ours. The Bible says, to
God a thousand years is like a day. So the creation took at least 6000
years to complete. The dinosaurs may have lived and become extinct
within that 6000 year period or before the time of Noah.I believe God
created many more people of different races. Adam and Eve were only the
first two people to create a human life on their own. Because before
they ate from the tree of knowledge they didn’t even know they were
naked and afterwards God said to women “I will make your pains in
childbearing very severe;with painful labor you will give birth to
children.Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over
you.” ”

Not to put to much of a point on it, but you missed the second part of that verse which says that a thousand years is as a day. You missed the point – but you got the general idea: God’s time is not ours – He lives outside time. Time was created for mankind, not God. That said, your statement that creation took 6000 years is wrong, scientifically and Biblically. One of the heresies in the NT church was that God in fact created the world all at once. The fact is that God could have, but didn’t. His 6 days of creation and one day of rest were an example to man.

The dragons (the historical name for dinosaurs) lived with man. They were on the ark. Job writes about them as common knowledge in Chapters 40 and 41 (ignore the names attributed to the description by 17th century translators. Elephants have tails like cedars?) They may well still be alive today. There are many drawings and carvings of them all over the world, so they had to be a part of people’s lives in living history. Those that were not on the ark drowned and were buried by and in water, just what we see in these bone pits in Alberta and Montana.

 I just found where you cut and pasted this from – answers.com, which is certainly a non-scientific site. To compound the folly, you truly don’t understand even what was written at a child level. The answer you cited was simply voted the best by unscientific and uninformed readers – a heck of a lot less scientific than even Wikipedia, and that’s not saying much.

 Actually, the DON’T agree on much. No accepted theory. There are no intermediate fossils so Jay Gould came up with the theory of Punctuated Equillibrium. This theory was proven true because there were no intermediate fossils Then there are all the loonies who freely admit that there was no possibility of life forming on earth. Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of DNA, then decided that the life was seeded on earth by other civilizations. Others agree with him. Since there is no agreement on evolution, its hard to know just what people actually mean by the term.

 Mad cow disease was very likely not in existence then. It may well have devolved (entropic mutation) from a much more benign virus. Since the DNA may be similar to other viruses, it seems to be the folding of the protein guided by an errant chaparone protein that causes the problem with Mad Cow. What one would expect as possible from entropic mutations.

 You sent out all these listings which no one has the time to review. I picked one at random – Tiktaalik – then I looked up the modern science on the subject – and you have no evidence there, just wishful thinking. There is another page of listings on that one subject alone, showing that the conclusions stated as fact are in fact not!

Just one entry of 5 pages of contradictions of the listing you provided on that subject alone:

http://creation.com/tiktaalik-roseae-a-fishy-missing-link

You are simply gullible – you don’t have the intellectual  curiosity to even understand your own position, let alone opposing views!

“Mad cow disease was very likely not in existence then.” How can you even propose such a thing? This is a disease that was known to be not uncommon in Africa and other parts of the world. Because scientists have not yet determined where it originated (sheep? monkeys? cows?) has no bearing. It and other diseases that are detrimental to mankind have caused humans who could discern cause and effect to shun certain things, yet that reasoning has escaped others. Because you wish it to be so, does not make it so.

I was addressing that to you using the dashboard, and reading her post through Context.

I’ll give it a shot.

How did non living material become a living creature?

Simplistically, electricity.

But, I think you want more, like how did the first organisms come to exist on Earth? Again, minerals, heat, water, wind, the atmosphere, pressure and electricity, including of course volcanoes and magnetism. These things, created a living Earth, and all the things that sprouted therefrom, which is a direct quote from Genesis. Earth created life and us. We couldn’t exist anywhere else.

Now, you might be asking yourself, okay, hot shot, where did Earth come from? Again, the best speculation is that, as Kris Kristoferson said it best, we come from the stars. We’re space dust, which over billions and billions and billions and even longer than that congealed for lack of a better word into our Solar System and planets, and, yes at the end of the day, somehow, someway we’re the end result. I think it was Bill Hicks who said it best. We are the Universe’s answer to self-reflection–we’re the Watchers–which is a mighty lofty view of ourselves no doubt, but it’s not the first time humans have compared themselves to all mighty beings.

Then again, if you’ve read this far, the real, hard-boiled, cold stone truth is that not one human has ever been able to answer these questions, not one, and certainly nothing written down in a book has changed that.

Yeppers, everybody knows the Flintstones was the very first reality show. Dino chirped happily, as Fred and Wilma ate his daddy’s ribs. 

OK, Todd, you are forgiven! … LOL

 Let me state again, viruses do NOT evolve – they mutate, and in every instance the mutated virus is not as robust as the original, notwithstanding tjat they survive an antibiotic. The mutation that gives that resistance takes away from the virus ability to do something else normally. Poodles were bred from wolves, but you cannot breed them back to wolves – that genetic material is forever lost. Same with viruses

Evolution requires the addition of new and improved genetic information, and there is no known way this can happen. Information can only come from intelligence. I allow that intelligence was involved in creation; you do not. On that issue alone, your theory is false.

http://creation.com/genetic-entropy-and-simple-organisms 

is an interesting article related to your statement. Dr. Sanford knows a bit about genetics – he  invented the gene gun that is used worldwide by scientists manipulating genes. I had supper with him last summer, and I trust his research, not to mention that he is a professor at Cornell. He has also written the most definitive book to date on genetic entropy

 Humans were made in the image of God. We sinned, lost the relationship we had with God, and have suffered from it ever since. We, along with the rest of creation are suffering from thermodynamics – entropy. We are suffering from new diseases, diseases that were unknown 500 years ago. Health care, better food, better medicine and better education has done nothing to improve the human genome. In your lifetime you will suffer many hundreds of mutations – you also inherited some from your parents, which is why incest is banned – similarly entropied DNA from a single pair bred together solidifies the deformity. I was a dog breeder – were used science to determine which dogs were bred. But for example Shepherds have genetic hip dyspepsia in many streams. A genetic defect solidified by line breeding. Mutts don’t usually suffer from these genetic deformities.

 I believe he was right. Most Christians I know have had that kind of wrestling with God. An untested faith is probably not faith at all. Having said that – questioning and study does lead one to a better understanding of, and firmer faith in, God. There is a website called Socrates in the City, and their subheading is ” the unexamined life is not worth living”. I came to my convictions at the cost of many friends, and for a while estranged parents. Leaving evolution for a more logical scientific explanation of existence has been hard on many people. Last summer I was at a conference with perhaps 30 leading scientists, all of them former atheists and evolutionists, many tenured professors, many well known for their contributions to science – several lost their jobs because of rejecting evolution. The scientific community has always rejected innovation that contradicts the official line

 That is a singularly stoooopid statement. Those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it. We know socialism has never ever been successful. Why would we try it yet again? The Bible was the textbook upon which the union was formed. Why should we turn our back on it now? Nothing in US constitution or founding makes any sense apart from a thorough understanding of the Bible. What better is there to rely on?

Was Hitler fit? Stalin? Mao? they opposed the bible, rejected it tenants and wisdom and its God, and became pariahs in history. Lincoln, Washington and Adams followed the Bible and became patriots. You choose . . .

 Good points. I can make a rational argument that creation was about 13000BC, using astronomy and archeology. So what? Usher and I disagree, but at least we agree that God made it, it didn’t evolve from goo to You by way of the zoo – a singularly unscientific concept

 Not long – they hadn’t yet had their first child as far as we know. I think that would have been noted. And with their perfect bodies, I must assume that there would have been a birth within 10 months of being created.

Under the circumstances, and with the resources at hand, I think Truman’s av5tions were the kindest possible. How many more people would have dies had he not ended the war as he did? Armchair quarterbacks have the luxury of hindsight which he did not have.

Another possible 10 years of imperial war, genocide in China and many Asian cultures by the Japanese all stopped when that bomb dropped. It was a known end vs an unknown end. And that the Japanese were also working on nukes made the decision and the timing justified.

God does not cause suffering, he allows it because we have, as a species, in a cause and effect way as we have turned our back on Him and done things OUR way – ways that cause disasters, illness, and terror. God is not the author of any of that – and I think it tacky that he gets blamed for so much that is the natural result of our wickedness as a race. God will right it soon – when we have exhausted our stopidity in rejecting His input.

 Think a bit, Corey. If a dragon died in a forest, its carcass would be scavenged quickly. That leaves no fossil, or anything else. Animal bones  don’t last long, and covering a 40 foot high carcass would take a lot of time.

Fossils MUST be buried quickly after death, and must be shielded from oxygen.

So normal death is not how fossils were made. In the Biblical account, millions upon millions of animals were all drowned and quickly covered with waterborn sediment during the flood.  That is exactly what we see: millions of species all buried almost instantly in sediment that became rock, in many cases with huge burial beds that extend across whole states. Fish that drowned because there was to much sediment for them to extract oxygen from the water. Bivalves as well.

There are two types of fossils that are best explained from the Biblical model, because the millions of years model cannot: the fossilization of soft-bodied species like jellyfish and polystrate fossils. Both would be a natural occurrence in a Biblical flood. But few people even know the issue exists.

Polystrat fossils are found all over the world. Some of these fossilized trees extend through 40 or more feet of sedimentary rock. It is obvious that they didn’t sit there without decaying while a million years of sediment gradually covered them. And to make the question more interesting, in many cases the roots are at the top, not the bottom.

http://creation.com/polystrate-fossils-evidence-for-a-young-earth

This is just simple observational science. And it leads away from Darwinian evolution, and dramatically supports the Biblical creation account. Your ignorance of the subject may be excused – there seems to be a deliberate attempt to ban any knowledge of the Biblical account from most institutes of learning. But learn to question everything – many things are not as they seem.

Remember that for thousands of years science thought the earth was flat, that blood letting would heal you, that there was a reservoir of meterors in “Oorts Cloud” and millions other silly scientific “facts”.  Everything I was taught as evolution is now false. Everything you have learned as evolution “fact” will in fact be laughed at in another 50 years. Evolutionists cannot agree on the basics of evolution, and neither party can prove they are right or their opponent is wrong. But they all agree that God didn’t do it. How scientific!

 Helen, that’s silly!

 Particularly well stated.

 There is no question Hutchens is no longer an atheist. Fortunately, his brother learned that on earth, and has a much better future to look forward to.

 Could you provide ONE example?

 Silly statement! Read the Bible, and YOU might learn some science!

 An interesting theory I’ve been working on – if the earth was created between Ushers 6000 years and my 15000 years ago, anything that would be C14 dates from that period would display infinite age, because there was no c14 in the atmosphere.There still is no C14 equillibrium, so any c14 date is only comparative.

you’re not so crazy,  Betty!

Says the idiot !

 I think maybe you are one of those arrogant fold she was so sick and tires of . . . just a hunch!

I think you have this backwards. There is NO evidence to support your theory. The evidences given to support one aspect of it are contradicted by another. Eg Dragons have supposedly been extinct for 64 Million years. Collagen cannot exist beyond 100,000 years. Yet Mary Sweitzer found three (so far) different specimens (Rex, Hadrosaurous and Triceratops) each with flexible blood vessels, red blood products and collagen easily identified. Those two scientific theories are opposed to each other.

The interesting fact here is that none of those specimens have been tested for C14, nor will the labs allow them to be tested. What are they afraid of if they are so convinced of their theory?

The Biblical account removes the mystery of how life started, and based strictly on science, is far more adequate to fit the observable evidence around us; why we have millions of fossils in sedimentary rock, why animals specialize, why the geological columns are as often inverted as right side up, the major geological formations of our world, and most of the mysteries of the cosmos, like why there are still comets when comets cannot last more than perhaps 20,000 years, and why small moons like Io are still volcanic when according to evolutionary theory they should be stone cold. Then of course, the evolutionist has to explain the Big bang, and bingo, we are right back to the fact of God and the Biblical account, based only on the evidence.

 a rather irrational and anti-historic statement. You may mean that you have never read any evidence that Jesus lived, but that is your lack of education that is missing, not evidence that he lived that is missing. Try reading Josephus, Tacitus, the letters of Origen, and many other historians of the era. You will change your mind. Now we just found a marble edict that made it a crime in Rome to say that the body of Jesus was taken from the tomb ( to be brief about it) You are simply speaking from ignorance, as if your ignorance made it so!

 Your ignorance is truly astounding!

You’re certifiably delusional. It may never effect your life in a negative way, but it might. You may be faced with a problem in future and instead of addressing it, your delusional state of mind may lead you to ignore it while you hide in your bubbble of hope, shrug, and think it’s all in god’s hands, rather than figuring out how to handle it on your own. Be careful pretending in believing the supernatural is real. It might have bad consequences.

 It’s obvious you’ve never even cracked open a Bible to investigate what you are talking about. But that is typical of whining liberal commies like yourself who, to create their own world and their own god so that there will be no rules to live by,attack others and even the truth without any real investigation. You can have sex with whom ever you want both male and female. You can steal, covet and lie, be a lazy troll at work or not even work just live off the tax payer which is a form of theft. It’s one thing to question the existence of God, but you boldly state it in a hateful way shaking your fist at Him demanding that He doesn’t exist. Sad dude. It’s obvious you have done absolutely  no research on the matter. Just here jabbing your keyboard in anger.

 Thank you fm. Somehow people think it is unreasonable to take God at His Word. And without even the slightest in critical thinking at all. A young creation is not only plausible it is true.

Delusion. You’re pretending your make-believe world is real. It’s not.

Well, it makes more sense that it happened that way than what science is claiming, lol.  And science based on fact, truth, and reality?  Not by a long shot.  The science is based on mere GUESSWORK and nothing more, lol.  Scientists are GUESSTIMATING based on assertions they have yet to reliably prove.  Big freaking difference between guesstimates from a scientist and ACTUAL science based on facts, truth, and reality, you know.

Well, one needs faith to believe in evolution since Darwinian evolution has NEVER EVER been proven EVER at ANY TIME in the past century and a half, lol.  Now, since scientists have flat out FAILED to prove evolution EVERY SINGLE time they had a chance to, you need faith to believe it.

Uhm, no.  The Theory of Evolution does NOT fit that case.  Try again, buddy.

God created the earth in six – twenty-four-hour-days, and on the seventh twenty-four-hour period of time, he rested from his labors – creating the weekly Sabbath. Thus the Sabbath was made for man. It is also the day of week that God commanded humankind to rest from their labors. Something by the way, that most professing Christians no longer do. They continue to break the fourth commandment of God and our nation, the world for that matter, is paying the heavy price. All anyone has to do, is look around and realize that man’s problems have become more troubling than we can solve. It boils down to understanding God and what he wants us humans to do.

I must admit, that at least those who do not profess the name of Christ, all seemingly stick to the same general ideology. But, when it comes to the so called religious among us – every irrational conceivable thought is and continues to be expressed, when it comes to relaying on the information of who and what God is and what he has in store for mankind.

The story-thread at the top of the page reads – “how old is the earth” – good question, it speaks volumes to this world encompassing misunderstanding, for it exposes an ignorance of the religious among us and a lack of understanding, concerning the simple knowledge of God.

Truth be told, if those professing religious knowledge, where in an American court of law, the case would be thrown out. In order for anyone to prove a point, one must have 2,3 sometimes even 3 or 4 witnesses to said event. These post on this topic alone, substantiate nothing more than religious confusion. Who is right among these many posts, or for that matter, better stated, is anybody right?

Is there a way to know for certain? Does the bible give enough detail that all may prove the simple answer to themselves. Lets face it, history unfolds only one way – so why do so many different tails  especially in the religious community abound? If history played itself out in a certain way, what is that way?

Can those from the scientific community, agree with those from the religious community? And visa-versa…well as we will see….the answer is a resounding yes.

The question is “how old is the earth” and to get to the bottom of answer, we must know some pre-history, in other words, was there anything existing before that time period, if so, what.

By using the bible itself  – by the way the best possible source – we can know for certain what the truth of the matter is and its due time we find out the answer for ourselves, to this challenging mysterious puzzle.

The only way to do it, is one step at a time and for this particular question, we must travel back in time, and, as far back as the human mind can conceive. Obviously, afterward, there will still remain those who just won’t except the idea of a divine God, but in answering this particular question, the subject of how old the earth is, will only be addressed at this time.

What was here before the earth – before the so-called big-bang-theories, or any accounts of creation? The bible clearly tells us…please follow along, who knows, you might even learn something…

“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him, all things were made; without him nothing was made that was made.” – Here we find in the opening verse’s of the book of John, that nothing at all existed – except for two beings who were called God. As a matter of fact, they had exceptional creative ability. So what were some of the things they created and what came first on their list?

In the Old Testament book of Job, God is having a conversation with a man named Job. God was explaining to him, that it was he, who created the physical universe and when he brought forth this magnificent wonderful work, the angels were already here. Notice what chapter 38:7 has to say, ” while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy..” There is  much more to this study, but to keep this post as short as possible, I will give only minimal information, but enough I feel, that what is presented should get those who read these words some food for thought.

So far, we find that nothing existed but two beings who were called God. The next thing we are  told is, it was “they who created all things”. The first thing on the creative list, had to of been the angels…lets face it…what else would explain their being in “awe and shouting for joy”? It was the display of God creating the known physical universe before their very eyes. One can only imagine what the spectacle sight must have offered. That means – God- angels – universe – and in that order, and, that this is the earliest known information to man.

To cut this post even shorter, I will continue the rest with knowledge that most are familiar, at least  the greater majority.

God instructed the angels in all ways that would lead to happiness and productive well-being. He needed to see for himself, if these perfectly created angels, would follow his perfect laws. So he placed one-third of them on the earth to test them. The bible does not say for sure, but most likely, it may have been millions or even billions of years. The dinosaurs have been proven by science, to have lived and walked upon the earth for thousands, even millions of years. These physical dinosaurs, could have very easily roamed the planet simultaneously with the spiritual angels. Both would co-exist in peace and harmony as long as the angels remained sinless as God had intended.

Therein lies the problem, these perfect created angels eventually broke the laws of God and sinned. Within a matter of time, which might have been millions of years or more, every angel that had been placed on the earth, decided to rebel – even to the point of waging war in heaven against God. Again, we are not told exactly how long this spiritual battle was waged – but the bible does say, that the (now fallen) angels, were thrown back to the earth by God himself. This cataclysmic failure of following Gods direction, resulted in the earth becoming dark and void. I equate the angels demise as that of a meteorite slamming into the earth at hyper-sonic-speed, resulting in a dust cloud that soon enveloped the whole planet, killing the all dinosaur’s and every other life form that existed in pre-historic time.

Obviously, God was not pleased at this end result, war is never a pretty thing. This angelic rebellion also explains the present decayed condition we find our solar system. To date scientists have not discovered any form of life, on the contrary,  the only discoveries have been  crater impact damage – from the heavenly bodies of our moon to Mars and frankly, everything our advanced telescopes have allowed mankind to lay his eyes on.

In the opening first two verses of all the bible, found in the book of Genesis (which means the beginning of things) there is a little understood contrast, between verses one and two, of Chapter one, something that very few people have ever taken the time to consider. God creates everything perfectly, that is his divine nature and as I’ve already stated above, so far, verse one is found to be in agreement. Verse one simply says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” -  Now in verse two it says, “Now the earth was” …..let me stop here and explain, that the word “was”…is a mistranslation, the correct translation should read…”became” – So I’ll write the verse in its original intended meaning, “Now the earth “became formless and void (or empty) darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters”

What caused the earth to drastically change from its original perfectly created state, to something just the opposite? Well it was a direct result of the war in heaven and Satan and those who rebelled against God with him, were thrust back to the earth. Now once again, the bible isn’t clear on how long this state of decay lasted, that is, before God “renewed” the earth to a planet now able to sustain life…even human life, but it could have been millions, even billions of years. But I can tell you this, that from the time of that renewing – mankind has been here for almost six-thousand years.

So how old is the earth – its as old as the universe for sure, the exact date cannot yet be determined by science, but suffice it to say, it is without a doubt, at least millions of years old. And if more of us, who proclaim they understand the God who creates all things, were able to understand the simple information that I’ve just presented, then there wouldn’t be the vast divide between religious thinkers – between themselves, nor would those, who do not profess a belief in a higher being, be so skeptical to take a chance and maybe prove God for themselves.

All the answers are there – we simply have to seek them out.        

 Why is it assumed that Conservative automatically equates to religiously fanatical?  I’m very much not religious at all (Deist to be specific, like many of the founders)  but I do believe in Freedom, the Constitution, and Small Government.  Not sure why someone automatically has to agree with the idea of Invisible Sky People to hold on to those values.  I find the idea that there are people that think the world is 5,000 years old to be utterly absurd.  But you’re free to believe it, and I’m free to disagree with you completely.  Beautiful thing, isn’t it?

“The legitimate powers of
government extend to only such acts as are injurious to others. But it
does me no injury for my neighbor to say that there are twenty gods, or
no God.”

THOMAS JEFFERSON

Actually, many deities in the past, pre Christianity, had gods that
were raised from the dead, born of virgins, and so on and so forth, so
listing off a litany of supposed miricles that are unverifiable and have
been described numerous times in other myths doesn’t really help your cause

 So did Horus, Mithra, and various other deities in various Myths, as well as virgin birth’s.  So, how is that again?

 How are you coming up with the idea that evolution hasn’t been proven?  Natural Selection and evolution has been proven…it is observable.  I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about, or you are using severely outdated sources.

 Not sure where you get that…in fact, it’s quite the opposite.  It has been observed..it’s how Darwin came up with it..via observation.  And there’s quite a bit of empirical evidence out there. 

 We see evolution rapidly with virus mutations.  It happens constantly, and under controlled conditions.  That’s what evolution is, mutation to adapt and overcome. 

 I’m so glad you were honest and called this speculation. No facts at all presented . . .

Your quote from Genesis is surely unique. And certainly not an honest evaluation of  what the text says. Again, more speculation than fact!

And you still haven’t answered where the stars come from, etc!

And your statement that nothing written in a book answers that is also a failed speculation. The record given in Genesis is accurate scientifically, confirmed by science and history. Your statements, on the other hand contain nothing more accurate than song titles.

http://creation.com/but-genesis-is-not-a-science-textbook

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/dgue/origin-biological-information-life

I wish Rubio was a natural born citizen but hes not so forget about him for president

There are no such thing as Dragons they neve existed. dragon fossils have been carbon 14 dated. Comets are created all the time. The moon is no longer volcanic. So everything you just wrote was incorect. and can you show megow the bible proves evelotion wrong.

Ok but how does all that prve the humans are not animals.

There are no such thing as dragons you need to stop watching cartoons

The bible is a fairy tail this is a scientific study to prove how life can be create.

If the Bible for the most part is true and I believe it is, except where man has changed it for his own purpose; what you wrote cannot be true.  GOD is indeed perfect as you say, therefore cannot create anything less than perfect.  On day six when Elohim looks at all that was created, HE says “very good”, exceeding perfection.

According to what you wrote you have death long before the sin of man.  The Bible clearly states that death was the result of the sin of man, this is a major problem with your view.  Before man sinned there was NO death, nothing died; if it had GOD’s creation was not perfect and therefore GOD could not be perfect.

You wrote about the Father (Adonai) and the Son (Yeshua) from John 1:1 and from Genesis 1:1, but you left out the Ruach Elohim (Spirit of GOD, Holy Spirit) in Genesis 1:2.  There were Three in the beginning.

My friend, you are indeed correct about man being around 6,000 years old.  But he is only five days younger than the earth, two days younger than the sun, moon, universe, etc., one day younger than the fishes and birds and was created on the very same day as what is now referred to as dinosaurs; howbeit the mamals were created in the beginning of day six and man at the end of it.

This is what the literal reading of Genesis chapter one says.  If you disregard this account, how can you or anyone say the WORD of GOD is true?

Not billions, millions, or even 100′s of thousands, but right around 6000 years for the ALL OF IT!

Have a Blessed Day,
Shalom,
rick

What do you mean – ‘IF’ “the bible for the most part, is true”…It is written, “that man should not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. “Matthew 4:4 By what you have written here, gives the impression, that you might think you know what you’re talking about, but from what you say, it actually reveals your complete lack of basic biblical knowledge.

The Bible is the Word of God in print, all of it. Therefore “all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training for righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” 2Timothy 3:16

Jesus Christ is the Word, the Word was with God, and the word was God, see John 1:1 The bible is the living Word of God in print. In that printed word (also known as scripture) we are admonished to “Prove All Things, Hold Fast To That Which Is Good” – 1Thessalonians 5:21…It looks like you have some proving to do Mr Hays, for you seem to be holding on to ‘the wrong things’, things that lead you to error in your understanding of what is good. “Therefore God sends upon them strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that they may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12.

Never did I say that God created anything less than perfect, that’s the problem with today’s fast-food-religion, if it doesn’t fit your personal taste…then simply move on to something more fattening. “For they are a rebellious people, lying sons, sons who will not hear the instruction of the Lord; who say to the seers, “See not” and to the prophets, “Prophecy not to us what is right; speak to us smooth things, prophecy illusions” Isaiah 30:10

The bible is an instruction manual for mankind. In it, we find one third of its writing pertains to Laws, if followed, they lead to productive lives, for that of the individual, or even whole nations. Then, one third of its content documents historical events, written down for our benefit so that future generations might learn from past mistakes – or from- the righteous example set down by those who came before us. Then, and probably the most important, a whole third of the bible, is given over to prophetic events that will surly take place in these end-days – for-warning us of impending disaster because of the way we live. 90% of that prophecy is for our time today.

Therefore, the bible is for and about mankind, although God has given us glimpses of what came before us, in fact, what came before anything, even the universe and the angels as my previous post describes.

When God created the Holy Righteous Angels – He did it Perfectly. What most Self-Proclaimed-Christians fail to consider, is the essential ingredient of “individual choice” – God will not force anyone to choose the good over the bad. The angels were created at one time – all of them. These perfect “beings” were then given instruction in the Laws of God. They agreed to live by every word of God and then God placed them on planet earth to test that agreement…and this…Millions, possibly even billions of Years Ago. It is very telling for you to say, the earth is only six-thousand years old, it more than demonstrates your ignorance. Furthermore, by holding on to such wrong ideas, only perpetuates a lie, keeping potential new converts from ever taking God-or-Religion seriously. Shame on you and those like you, for holding on to the doctrines of men – rather than, the pure word of God, do you have a liking for leading others down the same dead end road as you have chosen, a path that leads to destruction and death.

The angels decided, using the ‘gift of thought’ and the ‘freedom of choice’ to turn away from God. That does not make God imperfect, it makes the angels imperfect…that is, the one-third of the angels who were placed here on the earth (Revelation 12:4). God gave these angels everything they needed to do the job successfully. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations! – Isaiah 14:12

That is also why God placed only one-third on the earth, just in case something like that were to happen. The remaining two-thirds will forever be righteous – as long as they remain in the presence of God they will not sin. After the fall of the angels, the earth became dark and void. That world was long before Mankind was created, if not, where did this Satan come from who tempted Adam and Eve. The only answer is that this tempter (The Devil) was already here, known as the former Archangel Lucifer who had been here for millions of years. Notice 2Peter 2:4-6 “For if God did not spare the angels that sinned, but cast them into prison (here on earth)and committed them to pits of nether gloom to be kept until the judgement (at Christ’s return); if God did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven other persons, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction and made them an example to those who were ungodly;” – These verses are written in sequential order of historical events. These verses show that universal sin, causes universal destruction – as evidenced by NASA Telescopes. Globe encompassing sin causes, worldwide destruction, as evidenced by the earth encompassing flood, and we know what happened to the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Read Isaiah, Chapter-14 and see also Ezekiel, Chapter-28 of how God placed the archangel Lucifer (a Cherub) on a throne on the earth. It was his duty to rule the earth using the laws of God…all went well, until rebellion set in and those perfect laws of God were broken. Verse-one of Genesis chapter-One, clearly states a perfect creation. Verse two on the other hand, implies something far removed from a state of perfection. David was inspired to write how God renewed the face of the earth, “Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created; and thou re-newest the face of the earth” Psalms 104:30

So from verse two (Chpt 1)in the book of Genesis, throughout the remainder of the creation account – it is talking about the renewing of the face of the earth.

The DEATH OF MAN was caused by the SIN OF MAN an act brought on by the beguiling of Eve by a fallen angel, known today as Satan the devil. Don’t tell me that you haven’t noticed the prehistoric Dinosaur Bones that have fossilized over millions, perhaps billions of years. The bible is primarily concerned with the creation of man and the world that has been recorded over the past 6000 years. There is no record in the bible, nor in secular history of dinosaurs walking with and among mankind. Your futile attempt to argue the proof away, makes you look stupid. You turn away from God, logical thinking young people over to the false idea of a theory, that of evolution.

Two cannot walk together unless they agree…so don’t call me your friend. By your stubbornness to win the argument, you actually are found to be fighting against God…I on the other hand, try to right the many wrongs of traditional thinking, found and taught in the numerous false doctrines of men about God.

You limit God to three Beings – that is WRONG. There were TWO – God and the WORD (who was also God) The Holy Spirit IS WHAT THEY ARE COMPOSED OF AND IT IS THE TOOL OF HOW THEY CREATE…THE HUMANS WHO ARE SOMEDAY REBORN INTO THEIR FAMILY, OR KINGDOM, WILL ALSO BECOME GOD BEINGS…IN NO WAY IS GOD LIMITED – READ YOUR BIBLE!

YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE A PREPOSTEROUS LIE!

Nope. Natural Selection has been proven. However, evolution has NOT. And your claim that evolution is observable is a TOTAL farce, lol. NO ONE has EVER observed Darwinian evolution EVER in the ENTIRE history of this planet. Sorry. I know EXACTLY what I’m talking about and am using UP TO DATE sources. Yes, natural selection has been proven. Darwinian evolution, however, has NOT. They are NOT one in the same you know. Natural selection is NOT evolution. Natural selection is NOTHING more than an adaptation. Why an idiot like you would equate natural selection to evolution is just ludicrous. It’s an insult to established science.

For those who are interested in knowing the position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Darwinian Evolution and the Age of the Earth, please visit http://www.josephsmithforum.org/research/faqs/science.  The Joseph Smith Foundation has done several years of intensive research into the history of the relations between the LDS Church on these issues, ranging from age of the earth, macro-evolution, the Literal Fall and the Literal Flood.    

Agreed. My point was simply that everything…and I mean everything, comes back to faith.