Kansas town flirts with “progress” and loses traditional values

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There is a sign in the town of Buhler, Kansas causing controversy in the news this week. The sign in the small town, described as a town rooted in “small town values”, featured a large cross, representative of much of the towns values. The sign is now being changed following a law suit from the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

The group complained, claiming the cross “violates the Constitution.” TheBlaze reported that the cross has been included in the design for the past 24 years, however the FFRF didn’t complain until the image was posted in a city park just four months ago.

After the city council decided to comply with the legal demands, the citizens responded with an extensive Facebook campaign. After just two days, the campaign gathered a lot of strength and the people of Buhler decided the sign isn’t going very far. They’re moving the sign across the street to private property.

Watch the local news report here:

This morning on radio, Glenn expressed his opinion on the FFRF’s campaign and the cities response.

“The really missed the point of this sign,” Glenn said this morning. “…nobody is talking about the progressives ideas being the problem on that sign.”

Glenn was referring to the slogan on the sign that on one version reads: “Our second century of progress,” and on another says, “Tradional Values. Progressive Ideas.”

Glenn pointed out that the town is ironically up in arms over a group wanting to remove the cross from the public sign — they don’t understand why.

Well, because it’s a progress organization and they’re pushing their “progressive ideas”.

“You’re eventually going to lose the cross in your seal if your seal has “progressive ideas” in it,” Glenn quipped. “No doubt about it.”

Glenn continued to point out the irony in the situation noting that the communities solution is to move the sign to private property.

“What is the progressive idea?  The elimination of private property,” he said. “If you continue with these progressive ideals and ideas, you will lose your private property.  Which means you have no place to have your point of view.  None.”

The situation with this town’s sign is a great example of what progressivism does to traditional values, Glenn pointed out. The sign mixed the church with progressivism from the get-go.

They took traditional values and the Bible together with “progress” — which is antithetical in the eyes of a progressive. But, in the name of progress, they got together and said ‘we’ll compromise to make this baby step’. But in doing that the “traditional values” are really what are continuing to be weakened — weakened to the point where they are now doing all of the compromising, not the progressives.

“The and thing is they didn’t have to move it in the first place.  This doesn’t violate anything constitutional,” Pat noted.

The FFRF even said that they sent a letter to the city council citing it was illegal based on federal rulings. Federal rulings are not the same as constitutional rulings — they’re simply acting on precedent, a progressive idea. Using precedent makes the Constitution nearly irrelevant in most court cases now. The law can just be progressed ruling after ruling.

“The you can change the constitution. That’s the way our system work. They [progressives] didn’t like that. What they decided to go — and they started at Harvard — they stop teaching constitutional law to teach precedent,” Glenn explained. ”So now it’s what does the court say? It’s not about the constitution. What is the precedent from the public? Does the public — are they moving in this direction? Are they progressing in this direction because we’ll just use the evidence of the movement of the country is this way.  So they’ve completely taken the constitution out.”

Glenn pointed out another example of an anti-religious progressive attack that was highlighted on O’Reilly’s show just last night. This attack was directed towards Christmas. Watch O’Reilly’s confrontation with the anti-religion spokesman below. You can get the full story on TheBlaze.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    For the progressives, and for UN Agenda 21, they will seek to undermine all that is of value and decency in America. They seek to change our ways, traditions, lives, and the very society and culture we have all but lost to their efforts in the last 100 years.

    Agenda 21 undermind’s it from the lowest community levels upward as a cancer or rust that slowly, steadily consumes and weakens any structure until it all comes crashing down. 

    Then look at the Progressives in the Congress and those of the White House, step by step they are tightening the clamps, claiming more and more power and control until the nation collapses from above.

    Our own countrymen are being divided into groups that are played off one upon the other, more pressure from the inside ready to blow out. 

    Remember what Van Jones said about the American system: ‘Top down, bottom up and inside out. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Until it comes down.”

    We are seeing the final phases of his words being made manifest before our eyes; and yet too many people are blind to see until it will be far too late.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Remember what Van Jones said about the American system: ‘Top down, bottom up and inside out. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Until it comes down.”
    Agenda 21, Corruption and ‘fundamental transformation of the United States of America,’ and division of the people of America to the point of mass social unrest, the fulfillment of Van Jones statement before our eyes.

  • Draxx

    snowleopard, Don’t forget about Susan Rice (Ambassador to the U.N.), like she’s not going to sell us down the river to the U.N. Agendas… 

    To me she is the Absolute Worst Candidate for Secretary of State, hypathetically speaking if Osama Obummer and Osama Biden died then she would be the POTUS and where would that Lead Us All?????????

  • Anonymous

    Lets see, what does this remind me of? Oh Yes! something in that old dusty outdated book they call the Bible about how you can’t serve two masters. I think it was Matthew 6:24?The point is that progressivism and its illigitement child modern atheism both have inbred necessity to attack christian values because it stands in the way of there Dogma. Although I don’t necessarily agree with Oreilly’s interpretation of  Christian theology as a philosophy. On an academic sense he is correct when talking to the left about Chritianity as a philosophy (or way of life) because that is how the left regards atheism and progressivism. It is their,philosophy of how the world should be interpreted and they are as ardent in their belief of this system as any religious adherent because in a sense it is a religion. Example: I walk into a mall and see a nice christmas poster with the 3 wise men following the star and under neath the caption reads you know its a myth right? and thats tolerated, I wonder If I would get the same defense if I was to put up a sign with a monkey in a Harvard cap and gown with glasses on reading a copy of Darwin and the caption under neath read “You know its a Theory right”? Imagine the religious fervor from secualrist dogma FFRF group that would be throwing every bigoted and hateful piece of slander that any religionist was ever accused of. what it boils down to is that while not perfect in  their practice Christian philosophy seeks to repent and move forward seeking for a constant higher level of self perfecting progress. The atheist or progressive is more content to wallow in the sins and mistakes of the past while hypocritically pointing out the failings of believers while excusing his own sins, ignorant bias and bigotry based solely on the evidence he wishes to to see and reject what he doesn’t want to believe. In other words it is very interesting that the very people who deny the existance of a supreme being on what limited knowledge they have that rapidly changes with every passing day are more than willing to play the omniscient when dictating to other people about what to believe and how to practice it. Smells like any old state backed religion to me the only difference is instead of a priest in robes coming to you with a Bible in hand saying God says so and throwing a few scriptures to back himself up, now the new high priests of Human progressivism come to you with a diploma in hand wearing a Cap and gown with their own little group of theorized facts to placate the masses and instead of saying father, priest, Imam or Rabbi, we now call them Doctor, Professor, Scientist, humanist, or activist. The uniform has changed but its still the same message. Do what I say because I say so. 

  • corey williams

    I see nothing wrong with this christians aren’t the only poeple living in the town so why should they be represented on the town sign. Just remove the cross from the town. If you want to cross in your yard on in your house fine that you privatr propery. But when it is public domain religion should be left out.

  • Draxx

    I think that they are Not Flirting but in Bed With the Progressive Movement…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HAW7OERGSC7VZM72V7IGDJ3B4 Sharmane

    We the people need to start showing a very strong resistance at every level when this kind of nonsense rears its ugly head.  Don’t cave in to the “progressives” and defy any judge or court order that dictates compliance with the progressive agenda.  It could get ugly, but anything worth fighting for entails sacrifice and fortitude.  For far too long we have just schlumped along, allowing these anti-American nuts to run roughshod over our Constitution and the protections our wise Founders put in place for just this very purpose.  Saddle up – or we lose our beloved country.

  • landofaahs

    Buhler….Buhler…Buhler.  Where is Ben Stein when you need him?

  • landofaahs

    The people in Buhler will find a way to poke a stick in the eye of the atheist tards, watch and see.

  • Anonymous

     You said.The atheist or progressive is more content to wallow in the sins and
    mistakes of the past while hypocritically pointing out the failings of
    believers while excusing his own sins. I know when I do my bible reading one of the most favorite things for Satan to do is to sit right near heaven and accuse born again Christians of sins and evil to God. This sounds a lot like what the perfect utopian progressives do in this world that we live in today.

  • Anonymous

    How do you feel about the other Rice under whose watch the greatest terror attack on our soil occurred and who was subsequently (several years later) promoted to secretary of state? And who used executive privilege to avoid testifying before a House committee investigating prewar claims that Iraq was after yellow cake uranium? (side note: remember when our Vice President committed treason and outed an undercover CIA agent and had his lackey take the fall, all over the fraudulent yellow cake claims?) 

  • Jeremy Gill

    I live in Kansas and not to far from Buhler. When I saw this story here in Glenn Beck’s website I was angered by what he said. I think that people try to build up a bigger story and a bigger controversy than is needed. This is a tiny community that I am sure not to many people have been to or even heard of until this story broke. Just because the word “progressive” is in the sign does not mean they are in bed with all these big government people. Maybe it just means they are moving forward and it is just a logo and that is it, not a big conspiracy. Not everyone in the world is out to get you and I am positive it is no one from Buhler. Leave them alone and worry about bigger problems and stop making such a big deal out of small stories from a town you don’t live in. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HEJWAU3VTK3IX67PBSS3BPJSZY James Mcdermott

    Yes, this is what the people here are missing. I guess they don’t realize the whole separation of church and state thing. But oh well

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    First if I lived in a town with sign that said Progressive Ideas on it I would move. That is what you get for siding with progressives. Second I half temped to start my own group going after idiots like freedom from religion and call it freedom for closed minded bigoted atheist. See every time an over zealot atheist group starts messing with other people’s rights like for the right for a teacher to be a Christian and pray over his or her meal without threating their jobs or the right to put Jesus is Lord with big flashing neon sign on you own property like happen close to my home town some time ago same bigots that sue these people. Thankfully then the bigots didn’t have a case. It is time to stand up as Christian before they make going to church illegal because like Glenn said the next step Progressive Ideas is to take land ownership and I can see it now take all churches down because that is unlawful to have a church on government land.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bbrubaker Brian Brubaker

    I’ve lived in Buhler, KS for nearly 40 years,  Glenn is totally mis-applying the meaning of “Progressive Ideas”.  It’s not a political statement and has nothing to do with the progressive movement.  It has to do with relying on our traditional values as we progress into the future.

    The city consulted several legal groups and were told we would likely lose a court battle and might have to pay the plaintiff’s legal fees.  I don’t agree with how the Supreme Court has interpreted the 1st Amendment, but until they change it, a city of 1300 can’t afford this type of legal battle.

    So Glenn, please stop trying to politicize what “Progressive Ideas” means to us in Buhler.  It’s not what you think it is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bbrubaker Brian Brubaker

    We are.  I know at least two signs are going up on private property using private funds.  And more people may put crosses or smaller replicas of the sign in their yards.

  • Anonymous

    this is the enforcement of the constitution.  Showing a cross on a public sign is the promotion of a religion.
     and we are a common law system (except the state of louisiana).  Any law school that does not teach precedent is worthless

  • Anonymous

     nobody has any problems with teachers praying over their own meals, its encouraging others/students to join them.
    Neon signs might have to do more with the neon signs than the message one them depending on city codes.

  • Sandie

    If Prez & VP die, Speaker of the House Boehner becomes prez.

    Order of succession:

    1. Vice President of the United States
    2. Speaker of the House of Representatives
    3. President pro Tempore of the Senate
    4. Secretary of State
    5. Secretary of the Treasury
    6. Secretary of Defense
    7. Attorney General
    8. Secretary of the Interior
    9. Secretary of Agriculture
    10. Secretary of Commerce
    11. Secretary of Labor
    12. Secretary of Health & Human Services
    13. Secretary of Housing & Urban Development
    14. Secretary of Transportation
    15. Secretary of Energy
    16. Secretary of Education
    17. Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs
    18. Secretary of Homeland Security

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2THHKA555INBVLQCU4QCKVLYG4 Sewing

     What separation of church and state?  It’s not in the Constitution … it’s a made-up doctrine … so we don’t have to acknowledge it.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Then how come one got fired praying over her meal in her class room with no one in said class room and keeping her faith to herself.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    And the neon sign was taken to court by an atheist and not because of some city code he was very clear on why he did it.

  • Anonymous

    Your mantra is “dreams only come true if you get out of bed/” Perhaps you should go back to bed and dream about not putting your teabagging foot in your mouth….

  • Anonymous

    The church land thing is just idiotic….what we need to do, and hopefully will do soon, is strip churches of any special tax treatment. 

  • Anonymous

    then that was a misappropriation of the law unless there is more to it than I am aware of.

  • Anonymous

    if he lost then who cares

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KVJ4XFALABZJREKR7736SM6GCY kid cleveland

     you need to dig a little deeper an you will find it was Colin Powell that outed not the VP.That was not well reported in the main stream so it mite take a bit for you to find that. Knowing that you would just say anything I post as a link you would call wrong I will let you find it for yourself

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    Really you want to take money away from the poor as well because that is what that is going to do. Where do you think that money goes to thin air?

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    You know what I know. To be fair I forgot where it happen somewhere in the northeast but I am glad you feel that way.

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    The point is that there are atheist who are not tolerant of others beliefs and are looking to stamp out all religion. I know that’s not you clearly because of just talking to you but the few in your group will love the day when religion is gone from the earth.

  • Anonymous

    I dug. I found a redstate.com article claiming it was Powell. Apparently Cheney accused Powell in his VP memoir. But if you read Cheney’s language it seems he was simply speculating and diverting the heat. Come on, it’s Dick Cheney. Nevertheless, who really cares who it was that lied. My real point was that all the controversy surrounding Susan Rice is just another Republican witch hunt, a knee-jerk reaction to losing the election and the only logical end to the manufactured  controversy over Benghazi.

    As for the discussion above, time to cancel christmas. 

  • Anonymous

    Philosophically speaking, the 1st amendment by way of the incorporation doctrine demands that Government and religion, must not co-mingle!

    So, we conservatives demand a strict adherence to the “original intent” of the Constitution, with no exceptions as one exception leads to another. (The next time the “exception” might not be as palatable,) Our Government MUST separate itself from ANY religious overtones? Hence, my very own conservative inclinations make me complicitous with Atheism?

    Hmm…? (philosophy can be so annoying)

    But, isn’t religion often times history? I mean, how can we teach American history without talking about the Pilgrims of Massachusetts or the Catholics of Maryland?

    Anyway, I suggest the problems associated with “church and State” in America are often times contrived. Moreover, if I hear another person claim, or feign offense… never mind. What we must vigilant about is the frequently underlying motives of those who use the petty reasons, or false piety to influence governance.

    Purveyor

  • Draxx

    Thanks Sandie, I have so much going on I sometimes forget those details…

  • Anonymous

    Mr Brian Brubaker
    You’ve expressed this correctly.  When has the term “progressive” turned into a negative connotation? Progression has always been the hallmark of our Republic. Don’t we all desire to promote our towns, cities and incorporated areas to promote growth; generating additional revenues, capitalizing on our virtues?

    Included in this projection of your attractiveness to others is the value system in place that IS a reflection of your citizenry-which also includes your Christian values as ambassadors of Christ Jesus, for isn’t it His values that have become the hallmark of your town?

    By allowing others to place restrictions on your actions, values, beliefs- you are allowing a type of  “thought police.”  Where would it end? Exactly as it has in your small hamlet.

    You were given advice based on flawed perceptions of the 1st Amendment.  It is to be correctly interpreted: Government will not promote one religion over another. Not a banishment of all Christianity from the public square. That is diametrically opposed to what our Founders admonished us to never forget!

    Progressives have given the term a twisted interpretation as they have continually evolved to include different terminology to be less threatening to the public when their true aims for our ultimate destruction was unearthed. Progressives know that to destroy our Christian heritage- is to destroy America.

    Mary

  • Anonymous

    Edward OHare
    A cross is not a religion, it is a symbol of Christianity- no more, no less.

    This group based out of Wisconsin should stick to their own State. What gives them the right to go to others and try to foist their private beliefs onto others? They have the freedom to choose to do that, but not to demand others comply.

    It’s a type of extortion, using tactics long instituted during Woodrow Wilson’s era. It has been a slow progression in this direction, for we were educated in our Constitution at that time and since the 60′s are now willing to abdicate our responsibilities to our Constitution- through ignorance and apathy to this group of people and their true aims for our Republic.

    This is only one method to accomplish such- but a major one- for it is Christianity that provides the basis for our laws.
    Declaration of Independence abridged: “…  Laws of Nature and Natures God…”

    Mary

  • http://twitter.com/BoomerWhatever Boomer

    Our daily lives could be filled with complete satisfaction, but trouble causes sorrow everywhere. The “JIGROP” message is needed. I can imagine perfect lives for everyone on this planet – yet our days are filled with problems caused by mistakes made by all of us. There is only ONE LEADER in the universe capable of transforming souls and civilizations in order to provide peace, love and eternal life. Stop expecting politicians/bankers to save our world from wars or poverty; open your hearts/minds to Lord Jesus Christ. http://jigrop.yuku.com/topic/799/THE-MESSAGE-for-THE-WORLD

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    I hate it when you make me think so early. I have to come back to this friend my head hurts.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, I didn’t want your head to hurt, but there is an actual point to that comment! LOL

    I probably should have switched the first and second sentences around, try that as it might make it a bit more logical sense?

    Effectively, I was pointing out that our very own conservatism, if not predicated on reason, can be used against us by way of a logical argument.

    Moreover, the Atheists tend to forget that religion is often times the history of man. In the current and future we are a bit more considerate of peoples sensitivities, sometimes ridiculously so?

    But really, do the Atheists think we must change the name San Diego or San Francisco and get rid of all those “Parishes” in Louisiana? Come on!!!!

    OUCH!

    Purv

  • Alan C

    That may be your opinion and you are welcomed to it, but it is not the majority opinion.  The cross on a sign posted on public property has absolutely nothing to do with separation of church and state.  If you are going to use that clause you should understand to what it implies.  Secondly, the first amendment does not include the phrase “separation of church and state.”  It reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”  Just how do you interpret this statement as having a relevance to a cross on public property?

    Jefferson wrote, in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Church, “…  I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”  His point was that government is not to hinder religion in any way and absolutely not favor one over another or groups who have no religion. 

    When you oppose the display of a religious symbol or a sign on public property, you are, in actuality, favoring the no religion group over a religious group.  According to the Constitution, that is illegal and an unconstitutional act.  If you do not agree with the sign, then ignore it or go to the city council and ask permission for posting something reflecting your own belief system or lack there of!!!

    That is what “freedom” is all about … freedom from governmental interference in the individual rights of citizens or groups of citizens.

  • Alan C

    Obviously, you are the one without any understanding of the “whole separation of church and state thing.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

    The liberals and atheists who attack Christianity are hate-mongers. We must fight for Christianity and the celebration of Christmas. Check out this site – AFA’s 2012 listing of top retailers and how they recognize Christmas
    http://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147486887

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

    Is it just impossible for liberals to argue facts and not resort to juvenille name-calling? It seems liberals are incapable of arguing about an issue without calling anyone who dares to disagree with liberal dogma names like, teabagger, racist, bigot, Islamophobe, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist, etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

     The US constitution does not have the phrase “separtion of church and state” in it. We have freedom of religion, and putting a up a cross or a Christmas tree does not prevent non-Christians from practicing their religion. Please try to have some tolerance for Christians who are the majority in our country. Why don’t you libs every criticize Islam, a religion that persecutes women, homosexuals, and all non-Muslims?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

    The US constitution does not have the phrase “separtion of church and
    state” in it. We have freedom of religion, and putting a up a cross or a
    Christmas tree does not prevent non-Christians from practicing their
    religion. Most of the original states had state religions when the U.S. constitution was created and most public schools promoted Christianity too, so the creators of the U.S. constitution approved of governments promoting Christianity. You are just wrong on the idea of “separation of Church and State” preventing towns from having Christian symbols. Read the history of the USA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMJUHF4UNZWSLIDRXPSSTOHA3Q Shane

     It’s funny that a lib would mention Condi Rice. George Bush appointed her, a black woman, to the secretary of state position and the GOP senators approved of her. Yet now libs are saying that GOP senators are attacking Susan Rice because she is black and female. What is this, selective memory?

  • Matt Driscoll

    Those details??? You just attempted to make a point based on “those details.” Which then turns “those details” into your MAIN POINT, which turns out has no factual merit at all. Dumb.

  • Matt Driscoll

    BOOM!!! Busted you Beck turds!

  • Matt Driscoll

    I have been called much worse on here by so called “loving” Glenn Beck fans.

  • Anonymous

    So because republicans appointed a black women to an important office, current attacks on a black, female democrat in an important office could not have anything to with race or gender?

    Yet I am not really talking about any of that and I am not really taking any sides. I am simply wondering why all the fuss? From listening to GB and reading this website, I know that the ostensible scandal in Benghazi informs a larger narrative about Obama’s anti-Americanism and his supposed friendly ties to radical Islam. So I am a bit nonplussed by the fact that you all find so much conspiracy, so much deception and perniciousness in the (non) story of Benghazi, and act as if it is all part of Obama’s grand plot to destroy America, yet you cannot answer—what happened to World Trade Center 7?

  • corey williams

    It’s not about preventing Christians to do what they want. But don’t take public money or public property and symbolize any religion. Because not everybody is christian. Nobody is criticizing christians. If you want to call it a christmas tree go head. you want to put a large cross in your yard fine. No one has a problem if you take your own money and do it on your own property there is no problem. just don’t take public money and public property.

  • Anonymous

    The Constitution says that the government cannot establish one religion.  The key word is religion.  Christianity is not a religion.  It is a philosophy and the Constitution mention anything about philosophy.  The early Americans left Europe as one religion was being imposed onto them. 

  • Anonymous

    Is war coming to the US once again?

  • Robert Starkand

     Glenn did not make this into a bigger story and bigger controversy, the FFRF did when it threatened to sue the town on constitutional grounds and intimidated the town into removing the sign and putting it on private property, that is while its still private.  Glenn is making the larger point, that the Progressive Movement is infiltrating even small communities and subverting our way of life.  Glenn is the messenger.  He’s alerting us that under the banner of progress, our rights, our natural rights are being stripped away from us.  In this case, expressing our religious beliefs in the public square.  I’m Jewish, and what that cross on the sign tells me is that if I want pastrami on club, I’ll have to get it somewhere else.  And that’s OK.  Maybe nobody from Buhler is part of a conspiracy, but the FFRF that threatened to sue is certainly propagating the Agenda 21 program from the United Nations   And that’s what is happening throughout the country.  And that’s why what is happening in Buhler is important.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HEJWAU3VTK3IX67PBSS3BPJSZY James Mcdermott

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”Yes while it doesn’t specifically say “separation of church and state” the founding fathers wanted to ensure the state remains neutral in case of religion. This blantant christian smbolism on public land is breaking that neutrality. The man who wrote the Bill of rights, James Madison even went of to say this, “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HEJWAU3VTK3IX67PBSS3BPJSZY James Mcdermott

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”Yes while it doesn’t specifically say “separation of church and state” the founding fathers wanted to ensure the state remains neutral in case of religion. This blantant christian smbolism on public land is breaking that neutrality. The man who wrote the Bill of rights, James Madison even went of to say this, “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    I guess I was a good atheist back in the day because none of this stuff really bugged me at all when I was one. I figured who really cared just because I didn’t believe in anything does not mean I should make everything to conform to what I wanted. I really don’t get the need why feel they have to attack anything that looks remotely religious. I also wondered why they never go after Muslims or Jews it always Christians. I get your point now. Religion is so much imbedded into or history that they cannot escape the fact no matter how much history they rewrite Christianity will still be here. I do get worried that if there is too much Church and State together that we would be treading thin ice but how is putting a manger scene going to spawn the next Hitler is beyond my thinking. If the founders had such trouble with people putting religious ideas in government halls then why did they not put an end to it back then? It is illogical argument they shove in our face.

  • Draxx

    Matt, you have made many post that others would definitely say fall into the same category.  And I did say I missed something, I did not put the blame on anybody else…

    In your own eternal rhetoric of posting “moron” for others, well just apply it to yourself occassionally.

    We all mess up here and there it is part of life!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HEJWAU3VTK3IX67PBSS3BPJSZY James Mcdermott

    I will say the same thing as I said to the other replier^^

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”Yes while it doesn’t specifically say “separation of church and state” the founding fathers wanted to ensure the state remains neutral in case of religion. This blantant christian smbolism on public land is breaking that neutrality. The man who wrote the Bill of rights, James Madison even went of to say this, “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    Our Constitution doesn’t provide for Freedom FROM religion.  It provides for Freedom OF religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    Our Constitution doesn’t provide for Freedom FROM religion.  It provides for Freedom OF religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    Our Constitution doesn’t provide for Freedom FROM religion.  It provides for Freedom OF religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    Our Constitution doesn’t provide for Freedom FROM religion.  It provides for Freedom OF religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    Our Constitution doesn’t provide for Freedom FROM religion.  It provides for Freedom OF religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    I fear it would leave us up in arms!  :)  -Or in the bowels of hell-… WAIT!  We have arrived!  (I forgot…)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    I fear it would leave us up in arms!  :)  -Or in the bowels of hell-… WAIT!  We have arrived!  (I forgot…)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    I fear it would leave us up in arms!  :)  -Or in the bowels of hell-… WAIT!  We have arrived!  (I forgot…)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    -dont feel badly.  Somehow, I had the impression it was Secretary of State after VP, too.  OVERLOADDD!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    -dont feel badly.  Somehow, I had the impression it was Secretary of State after VP, too.  OVERLOADDD!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    -dont feel badly.  Somehow, I had the impression it was Secretary of State after VP, too.  OVERLOADDD!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    -dont feel badly.  Somehow, I had the impression it was Secretary of State after VP, too.  OVERLOADDD!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E7CHW6LU3HB3FCSZPY654BIQDA Bumpkin Kingsway

    -dont feel badly.  Somehow, I had the impression it was Secretary of State after VP, too.  OVERLOADDD!

  • Jeremy Gill

    No you are now making it into a grand conspiracy this is a town that has had the same sign forever whether it is right or wrong that is up to the courts and the people in town. Tying them into a group of radical progressives just because their sign says that is absurd. No one had a clue what Agenda 21 was until Glenn and now it is being used in the wrong context to sounds smart and recite talking points from Glenn. I like him and and I visited the site usually daily but come on people not everyone is out to get you.

  • Sandie

    So if you are Christian, you can’t have a Christmas Tree, it has to be a Holiday Tree.

    Does that mean if you are Jewish you can’t have a Menorah, but you can have a Holiday Candelabra?

    My father, an atheist, I asked one Christmas what he wanted and he said “nothing” and to which I replied – “well, you already have that”

  • Robert Starkand

     I think you are missing the point.  The town has a constitutional right to put up that sign if it wants to.  The Constitution is quite clear that Congress shall make no law establishing a religion or prohibiting the practice thereof. The  14th Amendment says that no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge any privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. .Since the town is putting up the sign, not Congress, where’s the constitutional harm?  Your focus should be on the group that threatened the lawsuit.  From what you write, this group is not part of the town.  This is not conspiracy theory, this was actually done.  You say let the courts decide if putting up the sign is right or wrong.  The cost of a lawsuit over an innocuous sign is what intimidated the leaders of the town.  I find this an appalling situation.  Stuff like this is happening all over the country.  Lawfare against religion has been going on for some time now.  It is important to expose it and act against it.  You are the one talking about conspiracy.  I’m not.  I’m saying that there has been a cultural shift in this country away from our constitutional roots and we have to counter it starting at home.  That’s all I’m saying, and that’s all Glenn is saying.  If you don’t agree, that’s your right.  But what I think your problem is, is that you object to the national spotlight that Glenn is putting on this small town.  But what is happening in Bueler is happening all over in the courts, in city councils, in our schools  and a lot of us want to reverse this trend.  How can you motivate people without talking about it with concrete examples?

  • http://youtu.be/ff8jDkOHp3U Sam Fisher

    You’re just mean. :)

  • Jeremy Gill

    I understand your point about the town and I think the group was out of line as well. I feel that Glenn was upset that also in the town’s sign was the phrase “progressive ideas” and that since they put that there it brought it upon themselves to be targeted that is what I meant and I disagree with his assumption. 

  • Anonymous

    I think Scooter Libby’s in jail for outing Plame. And of course, no one died in that.

    What does a Secretary of State supposed to do to prevent 9/11?

  • Anonymous

    And yet… the Middle East continues to unfold exactly as we predicted.

  • Robert Starkand

     Okay.

  • Anonymous

    Christian values once again fall to compromise. God never honors compromise. He never has  and never will. God stands for His absolute standards that He has set up in His Word and never accepts any form of tolerance to the ways of the world. We, the Church, have consistently failed to recognize this fact and thus the general run of the mill so called Christian of today is more afraid of being called intolerant and unlovig than they are of God’s discipline for compromising with the world. True Love from the Church means saharing the truth about Jesus Christ. We have watered down the Gospel to the point that it no longer points the one way to God but promotes that there are many ways to please, honor, praise, and glorify God. We can only do this one way, His way. 

  • Anonymous

    Libby’s probably a patsy, but we’ll never know. Just like we’ll never really know the specifics behind Benghazi.

    To answer your question, probably not much. But Condi was the national security advisor during 9-11… 

  • Bonnie Somer

    Amen now if only that will hppen lk at RI they want to call christmas trees holiday trees obamas communist global govt un agenda 21 ideas are sickening and DANGEROUS he really wants to own u and the 22 new obamacare taxes are cmg open ur wallets obama wants ur money, property and ur mind he wants them all gone he wants govt control of u and all of u what uown ur money car hcare and of course NO JOB if u r a legal American.  Americans are exceptional WE BUILT THIS NATION WE DO NOT LIE DOWN FOR ANYONE LEST OF ALL OBAMA

  • Anonymous

    Juvenile name-calling? Do the insults “idiots” and “pinheads” fit that description as well?

    Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly would never resort to such tactics, would they?