We are seeing an evil greater than that of the Third Reich growing, and it is called Agenda 21. 

This is about managing the population around the world, and the ultimate decisions of life and death by people who have no humanity, compassion or life in their souls left.

Welcome to the future, and under Obama-care, it will happen here.

The ultimate goal of the bloodlust liberals.  Obamacare coming folks!!!  You seniors that voted democrat deserve everything coming to you.  Down with the baby killing sodomites.

God will hold these people accountable for killing innocent babies. It’s completely evil. How bad is it gonna get until the Savior intervenes and says enough?

It’s only temporary. When they have killed those undesirables, they will move to the next group.  Welfare and foodstampers better hide.  So do mites die like the $.

Amen.

I wonder how long they allow aids patients to go on living.  That is a group who has a very high maintenance cost.

They say Hitler was a far right loon but yet the left wanted this system of health care in our country. How blind they are. A lot of them support the killing of children because this is what Obamacare will turn into when the Progs. It is hearing things like this that makes me wonder why I ever buy into liberalism. Not only are they killing children but the elderly as well. What type of people live over the ocean that would even think this was a good idea? This is why I fight because life is too important to have it thrown away so coldly and with no compassion. If this is the ideal system for the left than we have to fight them twice as hard never backing down.

Did you get a chance to read the book yet I was wondering if it was worth the read since money got real tight.

That’s low. I wish I was going to be there with you when God asks you to defend that attitude.

Perhaps what is REALLY low is the fact that 51% of Americans voted for a second term for the POTUS without even bothering to find out what our health care will look like in maybe five years by FIRST looking at the UK!!!!  You talk about low . . . I fear we haven’t even scratched the surface yet.  Instead of being offended because someone is speaking the truth which doesn’t jive with your version of “happily ever after”, perhaps you should take off your rose-colored glasses and face the reality of what YOU and others like YOU have shoved upon ALL of us whether we want it or not!!

Who do YOU think will get the health care needed when ALL cannot receive it anymore, when the gov’t needs  SOMEONE to continue to work and pay taxes?  Pick ONE:  the terminally ill OR the strapping young person who is still healthy and can produce!!! BINGO . . . you get the gold star!!!! 

Grow up and quick sucking your thumb!!!  Maybe you should better ask how you and the rest of the progressives in this country will defend YOUR attitude as you stand before GOD when it is determined that YOUR choice may very well end up killing thousands!!!  Good luck with that one . . . .

Do not kid yourself for one moment.  When the top dogs no longer need the minions who gave them all this power, all those helpless “give me” folks who stand around with both hands out for freebies will be expendable right along with the rest of us.  After all, they will become dead weight as well! The New World Order will be: you work OR you die!!!

Bread gobblers. That’s what Hitler called them. I guess he defeated England after all.

what about the seniors who didn’t vote for Obama or Obamacare.  we will reap the whirlwind just like the others. 

What’s low is your willful failure to see that people with AIDS will not get the treatments that they would otherwise get under a system like the one we had 10 years ago. Unless they are politically connected, they will have no justification for the expense of their treatments, just like the do in England -now-.  In England, it is illegal for a person over a certain age to receive things like a hip replacement, even if they are able to pay for it themselves. Unless, of course, someone with the say-so gives them the OK for it.

If someone tries to take my life just because I am “too old”, we will find out how many of them I can take with me.

Death pathways – Death panels – what’s the difference?

As in days of Noah, it is today.  Standby, it’s going to get ugly and ugly quickly!

Got your recent post. I will comment on that later…

In the mean time: What about population, or over-population? A planet, a continent, a nation, an island can only provide enough sustenance for only so many people. (and animal life) Of course, you might be able to lower the quality of life expectations of the citizens as population rises? NO!

Back in my hometown there was a population of mentally ill who by State law had been released because they were not a “harm to others or themselves.” WHAT? Not a harm to themselves, maybe not pro-actively, but if they can’t perform the basic ablutions of daily life, by omission they harm themselves? Anyway, one afternoon I walked into the wrong apartment to see two of “left overs,” (as we tended to call them in our callous youth) having sex! I am not so sure that it is a good idea to allow those people to propagate generations of dependent children on top of their dependent parents? Reminds me of the proverbial “welfare queen?”

Colorado Governor Dick Lamm once said about the elderly: “Not should they die, they have a duty to die.” Of course Lamm was criticized for that, but I understood his point. The survival of subsequent generations is incumbent on current generations to pass the torch, so to speak.

THese are just thoughts I have about problems WE have, as a Nation. Like an addict or alcoholic, the solution starts with identifying and admitting a problem exists!

I’m a NAZI, he’s a NAZI wouldn’t you like to be a NAZI too? Ouch!

Purveyor

I am retired military with 21 years of service also 20% disabled by the VA. I was just wondering if you classify me as a mooch suckling on the Government teat? Am I one of the 47%? 

well, start with yourself if you’re so concerned about over population.  who are you or anyone else besides God to decide who is worthy to live or die?  you’re disgusting.  just because someone isn’t like you means they don’t deserve to live?  I think you’re a vile and evil human being and maybe people like that should be exterminated.  where does it all end?  because you don’t have the right color eyes or the right color skin… it goes on and on.  maybe everyone who doesn’t possess an extremely high IQ needs to die?  just because in your mind you think having a mental problem is a person who isn’t worthy of life, the truth is, many different kinds of people have a lot of things to contribute… some of the simplest people have the most beautiful souls and have something to show the rest of us… but you clearly wouldn’t know about such things since you are clearly godless.  you are sad, purveyor of evil.  you would have killed Forrest Gump.

yep, it’s so obvious but yet they cannot see.  it’s unbelievable to me.

No, sir.  not for a second.

It was so obvious before  the election, but the Obamanized throngs refused to see it. After those who oppose our dictator are sent to reeducation camps, the leeches will be herded up and disposed of since  they do not contribute to the collective.

I’m also a 20-7-14 (years-months-days) military retiree — never applied for disability…and I’m not one of 47% of anything except the 48% that voted Romney-Ryan.

Sam, just out of curiosity…who did you vote for?

I knew there was a reason I liked you….lock & load.

Amen.

Amen.

Even if it would save one life, wouldn’t it be worth it?

Have you ever heard that phrase or question before sometime, somewhere? Like Helmet laws, lowering the alcohol content in a sobriety test, banning cigarettes, Automatic condom applicators for your bedroom… Yikes!

When Mayor Bloomberg of New York mandated that soda-pop not be dispensed in “Big Gulp containers–”even if it saved one life, wouldn’t it be worth it?” NO!

Unfortunately, and judging from your post you prefer not to deal with cause and effect issues. I was very clear at the end of my post that I was merely contemplating those questions, not advocating them. Thus YOUR credibility is in question, NOT MINE.

Or would you prefer to be in charge of what questions I ask, moreover, the answers I give?

Purveyor of Rhetoric

(NOTE: In another life, weren’t you the guy who lit the fires to burn witches at the stake?)

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the very ones who handed him the control will be the ones to vanish first because they do not contribute!! There must be some justice in that somewhere . .… http://youtube.qr.net/jOyC/watch?v=dCAc0R3hNDo

Life itself is too important to let it die like that. I not too worried about the population because one of these ten things will happen in the future.
1 giant space rock hits the earth.
2 Yellowstone goes bang.
3 world war 3.
4 a supernova from a star for light years away lights us up with so much radiation that no one will live.
5 a pandemic spreads over the earth.
6 a wondering black hole sucks us in.
7 we end up nuking ourselves in the end.
8 we do nothing with replacing oil.
9 we ruin the economic system.
10 Obama is the anti-Christ and these are the end times.
The last one is a joke but the truth is any of these things could happen. I feel we sell ourselves sort when we don’t share compassion for those he can’t live on their own. Should they reproduce no but they should still look after. I have a family member with a disability and would wish no harm to her.

Mitt but I didn’t like him anymore than Obama. To me they were almost the same.

I understand that if you are over a certain age and have no health insurance, nor money, that you should not receive a hip replacement at taxpayers expense, however, why not if they pay for it out of pocket?  Their very own money??

from Julie (my name, nor ID is not showing up on bar)

I understand that if you are over a certain age and have no health insurance, nor money, that you should not receive a hip replacement at taxpayers expense, however, why not if they pay for it out of pocket?  Their very own money??

from Julie (my name, nor ID is not showing up on bar)

I understand that if you are over a certain age and have no health insurance, nor money, that you should not receive a hip replacement at taxpayers expense, however, why not if they pay for it out of pocket?  Their very own money??

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Then you pay for them. I’m tired of parasites sucking the life out of this country. What, you think we can save all of them? You have the luxury of complaining about those who have to choose without any responsibility for your self. 70% of our health care dollars are spent in the first 2 weeks of life and the last two weeks of life. Is that the way you think it should be? The Nazis murdered productive people they didn’t like. Your slippery slope argument is lame. Help out productive people, taxpayers, students, veterans, healthy old people that have already made their contributions. They rest, no. Parasites are parasites. If you want to help them, go for it. We are broke sister Betty. It is natures way.

Then you pay for them. I’m tired of parasites sucking the life out of this country. What, you think we can save all of them? You have the luxury of complaining about those who have to choose without any responsibility for your self. 70% of our health care dollars are spent in the first 2 weeks of life and the last two weeks of life. Is that the way you think it should be? The Nazis murdered productive people they didn’t like. Your slippery slope argument is lame. Help out productive people, taxpayers, students, veterans, healthy old people that have already made their contributions. They rest, no. Parasites are parasites. If you want to help them, go for it. We are broke sister Betty. It is natures way.

Then you pay for them. I’m tired of parasites sucking the life out of this country. What, you think we can save all of them? You have the luxury of complaining about those who have to choose without any responsibility for your self. 70% of our health care dollars are spent in the first 2 weeks of life and the last two weeks of life. Is that the way you think it should be? The Nazis murdered productive people they didn’t like. Your slippery slope argument is lame. Help out productive people, taxpayers, students, veterans, healthy old people that have already made their contributions. They rest, no. Parasites are parasites. If you want to help them, go for it. We are broke sister Betty. It is natures way.

As I understand it, yes.

uh, betty…aren’t you a bit extreme with the ‘eye color’ or ‘skin color’, or ‘IQ’? How does that make someone ‘disabled’ and unable to care for themselves, which is completely different?  And how rude for you to tell purveryor to start with him/herself – should he/she go commit suicide now?  Maybe he/she is helping by not having his/her own kids.  That is what my siblings and I have done…chose not to have children and we are over 40 (same with our cousins, they don’t have kids either).  We feel with nearly 7 billion people on earth, why contribute more?  When is enough enough?  (plus we don’t want to pass on the genes; our parents and their siblings are unstable messes).

coolit – I second that!  You know what is even more frustrating? When someone who has been a career criminal and then murders….then suddenly he is ‘mentally ill’ !!  Then we have to ‘save’ him….feed him, house him, provide mental health care, evaluations, etc. the rest of his dangerous, useless life!  I don’t know about you, but if your are that ‘mentally ill’ that you kill people, and useless to society, you need to go!  It does not make sense to spend mulit-thousands of dollars to keep these people who will never be safe, alive!

 Don’t think landofaahs was being “low”.  We’re talking cost of illness.  If you don’t think of the “what if’s” you wake up to it happening. 
P.S.  I think God will be to busy with more pressing matters than asking landofaahs to “defend that attitude.”

 @ToucheTurtle…this is exactly the Marxism that Saul Alinsky teaches in his book “Rules for Radicals”.This is Obama’s bible. He has been using these tactics since he was a community organizer. When he no longer needs the Useful Idiots..he will throw them under the bus. Get the book, read the first few pages. Alinsky gives credence to LUCIFER in the front of the book!!!!!

Look no further than the schools in the US. the idiotic obama wife has declared that children CANNOT have more that 850 calories for lunch: STUPIDITY? You bet. more than that, it is a plan to stop the children from having ANY kind of energy after school, but to become lethargic for the loss of muscle mass and strength, and stamina. Why? because kids with a lot of energy, are able to use their minds better than the kids who do not exercise their bodies. MENS SANA EN CORPORE SANO. The Greeks and the Romans knew it. The stupid REGRESSIVES( do less with more), know it also, but cannot allow the little people to learn too much, for they would realize that the democRATS want to control the slaves, useless slaves they have NOT educated, and they have enslaved with their distributions of entitlements. The slaves will learn to deal with less. Then be grateful of the pittance distributed, with great restrictions, to the obeying masses. Oh how good is Marx and his marxism. Aint it?

I have also heard the Brit NHS ‘ new director has promulgated that patients can no longer personally make appointment with physicians, but must first go online, signup with reasons why, and then wait in queue IF their needs are deemed reasonable by THE PANELS.

Maybe you are the real philosopher here and I worry too much?

Ouch!

After working 34 years in the medical field, I have personally observed the government pressure exerted on the private physicians ability to treat patients. In 2010 I was in a meeting that was sponsered by the white house to advise physicians of the upcoming mandates on the new regulations that would be coming with Obamacare. The main objective is to ”lower cost” by rationing visits for expensive medical conditions. The doctors in that room were told that the first 3 conditions will be Diabetes,High Blood Pressure, and High Cholesterol. The patients will be restricted to 3 visits per year, all in the name of controlling costs. Along with this there will be a restriction of how many prescriptions you can have per month(currently some medicaid plans limit this to 3 prescriptions per month)  These measures will cut care as well as longevity and quality of life.
 At the end of the meeting it was said that the next expensive item that would be addressed is newborn babies with special needs….so it appears they are following the UK policies for social medicine. Anything/anyone that is “expensive” will be subject to the government panel that decides what they deem “worth it”
This is going on as we speak…..and moving towards implementation. In addition they are cutting the reimbursement for the providers and now their ability to treat patients, and make a living are being threatened. There will be no “free” healthcare and now we are losing the best healthcare system in the world. There will be no incentive for the best and brightest to become physicians and we will suffer the consequences. I wonder if the people who voted for this will  realize what they have voted for and done to our country

Not only the cost of their care, but so many of them get promiscuous joy from infecting others that they have associations, and a slick glossy magazine called Bareback. I first heard of this while attending to my mother recovering from a stroke on the in-hospital TV network. Now THAT was a shock!

My mother could not get a hip replacement in Canada, even if she paid for it herself.  She lived for years with the pain. Such are the joys of a single payer system like we have and they WILL have in the US.

 Frankly, if I was God, i think I’d prefer his statement to many the left espouses, especially abortion.

 No you won’t. You will be far to drugged to know you’re on your way to the exit!

 Are you passing out owies again? LOL

 ”In the mean time: What about population, or over-population? A planet, a
continent, a nation, an island can only provide enough sustenance for
only so many people. (and animal life) Of course, you might be able to
lower the quality of life expectations of the citizens as population
rises? NO!”

You are seriously mistaken. This world could support twice, three, four or maybe more times our current population if there was honesty in government and no more war. Many of the lands where people are starving are actually food exporters because of the corruption of their governments.

An interesting video on the subject with some incontrovertable response on the population issue. 

 ”In the mean time: What about population, or over-population? A planet, a
continent, a nation, an island can only provide enough sustenance for
only so many people. (and animal life) Of course, you might be able to
lower the quality of life expectations of the citizens as population
rises? NO!”

You are seriously mistaken. This world could support twice, three, four or maybe more times our current population if there was honesty in government and no more war. Many of the lands where people are starving are actually food exporters because of the corruption of their governments.

An interesting video on the subject with some incontrovertable response on the population issue. 

 ” Anyway, one afternoon I walked into the wrong apartment to see two of
“left overs,” (as we tended to call them in our callous youth) having
sex! I am not so sure that it is a good idea to allow those people to
propagate generations of dependent children on top of their dependent
parents? Reminds me of the proverbial “welfare queen?”"

Again, you don’t seem to have any concept of  heredity. Blind cavefish from different cave systems have been bred and many were sighted as a result. Natural selection tends to discard imperfect genes when there is a better gene available. Hence, apart from being poor parents, those two had the potential to have a very perfect child.

 ” Anyway, one afternoon I walked into the wrong apartment to see two of
“left overs,” (as we tended to call them in our callous youth) having
sex! I am not so sure that it is a good idea to allow those people to
propagate generations of dependent children on top of their dependent
parents? Reminds me of the proverbial “welfare queen?”"

Again, you don’t seem to have any concept of  heredity. Blind cavefish from different cave systems have been bred and many were sighted as a result. Natural selection tends to discard imperfect genes when there is a better gene available. Hence, apart from being poor parents, those two had the potential to have a very perfect child.

 I think it’s more about not not going to extreme measures to support/perpetuate a life that otherwise would not have made it by nature (or by Gods hand, so to speak?). The advances that medical science has made over the past century have helped  create the population  explosion, which if continued at the current rate, will see the human population outpace the earth’s ability to support it in the not too distant future. China’s solution was to limit each married couple to producing just one child (wow that would screw up our Social Security system!).

I do not condone the method the UK uses, whereby a person is made to die of dehydration and starvation. This is a most cruel way to  die, and certainly against the  Hippocratic Oath! Yes, the UK and certainly Obamacare interferes with the Hippocratic Oath sworn to by all Physicians, to the point of forcing them to violate their Oath!

An excerpt of the classical version of the Hippocratic Oath:

“I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and
all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill
according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according
to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it,
nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give
to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my
life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Excerpt from the Modern Version:

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are
required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic
nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science,
and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s
knife or the chemist’s drug.

I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to
call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a
patient’s recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are
not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I
tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a
life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life;
this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and
awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous
growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s
family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related
problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special
obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body
as well as the infirm.

You can see the full versions here:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20909

happylada – but why would anyone want two, three, four or more times our current population?  Why is more people better?  More people equals more: noise, cars, traffic, delays, crowds, pollution, litter, crime, drug addicts/alcoholics, development, and more animal abuse.  Why is this a good thing to have more of this?  Don’t we want some peace and quiet in SOME parts of the world?  

happylada – but why would anyone want two, three, four or more times our current population?  Why is more people better?  More people equals more: noise, cars, traffic, delays, crowds, pollution, litter, crime, drug addicts/alcoholics, development, and more animal abuse.  Why is this a good thing to have more of this?  Don’t we want some peace and quiet in SOME parts of the world?  

happylada – but why would anyone want two, three, four or more times our current population?  Why is more people better?  More people equals more: noise, cars, traffic, delays, crowds, pollution, litter, crime, drug addicts/alcoholics, development, and more animal abuse.  Why is this a good thing to have more of this?  Don’t we want some peace and quiet in SOME parts of the world?  

This is murder, & allowing the murdering of your own innocent people is treason.
our government is trying to push for this & it clearly goes against the constitution which says.
“we hold these truths to be self – evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
no person shall be deprived of these rights without due process of law.
These Babies have done no wrong & yet they are being murdered, this is no different than abortion except after being born.
The Elderly We need keep around also as long as We can because We can learn a lot from them, they have the right to enjoy life as long as God allows for them to be here. 
Who are these people who think they can play God?
God gave us the ability to create life, Not the right to end another Human being’s.
It is His decision when a person should die, not ours. ( unless We know our own lives are in danger, or another persons as well)

Dear Glenn,
I don’t know if you read these or not but this is already happening in the U.S. only now you can fight it in court but when the Affordable Health Care Act goes into effect one will not be able to fight it. I went through this with my mother who was a vibrant lady who road a Harley Davidson motorcycle and loved to go listen to Jazz. She went into the hospital one night because she was dizzy and was diagnosed within two weeks with Endocarditis. The “county” hospital refused to do a surgery on her that would have corrected this problem but without it she woud die. They cited her age, that she had diabetes (she only took a pill she didn’t even need injections), and that she was on dialysis. She had no problems on any of it and lead a very productive life until that one day she entered the hospital and they chose not to give her any treatment. She ended up in a coma. The hospital said she was “brain dead” repeatedly but thank god I am both a legal and medical professional and challenged it. They continued to attempt to discontinue all treatment and then called in an “ethics committee” in laymens terms that is what people are calling the death panels but the professional and correct label is ethics committees who have NO oversight. I challenged them and won and my mother woke up out of the coma five months later. All the cost could have been prevented by giving her the simple surgical procedure and she would have bee out of the hospital within two and a half weeks. Ethics committee’s are who will make these decisions only now without allowing the families to challenge it because it will be the law of the land. I have twenty years in pathology and clinical laboratory and fourteen years in the legal/congressional field. I am also a public figure. Please do a show on ethics commitees and bring attention to it. I would be more than happy, as a professional, to explain how these committee’s currently work.
Here is a video that explained some of what I was describing that took place with my mother and how serious her health declined without their care simply because of her age and “comorbidities.” The ethics committee claimed her life would not be a good “quality of life” and the began citing medical futility. Very scary stuff.
Sadly, I am now awaiting a transplant and my life is hanging in the balance.
Here is the link to the video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsDEwwnIdU

Sorry my name is Angela forgot to write that I haven’t been on here too much just learning how to navigate this site.

You are looking at Hitler Country.

OK, point taken,

But please remember, I am philosopher, I dabble in the ethereal as well as questions un-asked. Sometimes those questions can make one uncomfortable?

My response is that man’s intellect, his opposable thumbs and his ability to communicate have placed him somewhat beyond the grasp of evolution? In fact, a large portion of human resources are devoted to making man impervious to nature’s law?

I will admit to being in favor of some form of euthanasia, properly regulated and policed I see no problem with such. My point is that “artificial life support” for the terminally ill is an example of what i mentioned above–placing man beyond the grasp of evolution…

I appreciate your retort: “Natural selection tends to discard imperfect genes.” Furthermore, I don’t see that concept as antithetical to God’s laws as I have written and argued that evolution is how God creates, or makes change to his infinite universe?

Question: Could it be that “Mother Earth” has already reached a point of over-population and in our blind conceit, we have failed recognize such? Easter Island’s inhabitants once combined religious proclivity with non-viable ecologic practice, thus resulting in their own demise…

Thank you

Purveyor

I am just an astronomer that studies too much about this type of stuff. There are millions of things in space that can come here and kill you I didn’t even mention space rocks carrying super viruses or quarks which have a nasty little habit of converting matter into soup. There are millions of things that can get us before population growth kicks in. What I wonder is why no one got what you are doing here to begin with?

Interesting,

Your premise is an “IF” the world would only do this, “THEN” the world could do that? (Note: “World,” in this instance connotes both the earth and mankind) Ergo, the “world” hasn’t done “this” and I am not sure anyone could make the case that the human condition has been improved, appreciably in the last 2000 years. For every medical breakthrough there seems to be more people born somewhere to negate the affect of that discovery. Hence the misery index, so to speak, climbs by way of increased population? (The Biblical Horseman of the Apocalypse, continue to ride, boldly!)

Also, “God gave man dominion over the earth.” Philosophically, is that Biblical passage a granting of complete consumption, or one of stewardship? My point is that animals too have fundamental rights. They are NOT the same rights as humans, but rights nonetheless. For instance an animal taken for human sustenance has a “fundamental right” to suffer as little as possible! Moreover, the animal kingdom has a fundamental right to exist and perpetuate the respective species. Or is extermination a part of “natural selection?” (Does the capacity to “exterminate,” place man above natures law?)

In conclusion: Nature is a very viable barometer to the earths and man’s health. As nature succumbs (by man’s hand) so too does man. In essence, we risk being the engine of our own demise?

(NOTE: This is a philosophical musing, not an argument for or against global warming)

Thank you for your respectful replies.

Purveyor

Top-o-the morning, I hope you don’t get another headache? LOL

I’d like add one more comment on the subject: IF, America, or any country for that matter has trouble “creating” enough jobs, is that an indicator of too many applicants, or not enough jobs? Is the glass half full, or half empty?

As you are a scientist, you should agree to the existence of a theoretical formula to determine the optimal population for a given planet, continent, nation, etc.? Hence, when does a species by way of overpopulation become parasitic?

For instance, were I to assign a political science/sociology class to create two theoretical nation/islands called Square and Circle. Each nation would have certain resources–minerals, farm land, fresh water, and so on. I could add or detract variables such as drought, monsoon, and yes, population, even disease. The computer would make this study much easier than would have been 50 years ago, but the study would be enlightening and disturbing as truth has the tendency to be, at times?

(NOTE:There is an old episode of Star Trek about a planet that has become over-populated that is very prescient and “disturbing.”)

Purv

oops, sorry,

An Astronomer? I have so many interests and avocations, astronomy being one. Respectfully, I admire your profession and natural curiosity. I bet you miss the milky way too? As a kid at summer camp in Northern Wisconsin, I could see the Milky Way. I couldn’t see it from “in-country” Colorado, so my guess is its gone. Where did it go?

Sad isn’t it, generations of young people will never marvel at that beauty?

Some day I’ll tell you my theory on UFO’s. I am certain it will give you a headache! LOL

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I am a health insurance agent trying to help one of my clients and just discovered that OBAMA has just shutdown the http://www.pciplan.com/applicants/eligibility.html .

You can get to the website, but when you try to apply for coverage, it’s down.

We really need to let everyone know about this and also we need someone to investigate to find out more.

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I am a health insurance agent trying to help one of my clients and just discovered that OBAMA has just shutdown the http://www.pciplan.com/applicants/eligibility.html .

You can get to the website, but when you try to apply for coverage, it’s down.

We really need to let everyone know about this and also we need someone to investigate to find out more.

wHY?  Well that wouldn’t be “fair”. 

Not that its fair that the 50% working now are paying all the bills.

Not an official on but it what I love to study. With my faith in God I don’t think they would even let me in the doors let alone work for them. It a sad symptom of science but it got infected be the ideological bug like everything else. You would be hard pressed to find an Einstein or Galileo today. Love to hear your theory.

I have to come back to this later but I will be back.

 In the UK women with breast cancer are given little or no care by their drs. and some women were not even told they had cancer untill it was too late for any treatments.
Do you think their politicians and the royals are under these same mandates??  Of course not and so it will be here. 
The senate and congress plus others in office are not under the ob-care and their many friends, and contributors of the political machines in DC were given waivers.  You can probably think of thousands of others that are or will be “entitled” to the best of care possible.
 

Sadly it is possible. Too young or too old, you are at the mercy of the society you live in. We would not have had to worry if we had not kicked God out of our lives so long ago. Trust in Jesus and it matters nothing what happens to you in this world. That is the way I look at it and I realize God is in control.

What in my statement was low? I think you don’t understand what was written. But you are probably a liberal which means you read into statements thing that are not there.

There are two factors that those who push Agenda 21 can’t anticipate. One is the ingenuity of people, who can develop new forms of energy or whatever they can dream. They have amazing abilities and free will. The other is God. Perhaps it’s fortuitous that they don’t believe in Him.

There are two factors that those who push Agenda 21 can’t anticipate. One is the ingenuity of people, who can develop new forms of energy or whatever they can dream. They have amazing abilities and free will. The other is God. Perhaps it’s fortuitous that they don’t believe in Him.

Please! this is not happening. I remember seven months ago when you addressed a Dr. Phil show where a mother wanted to kill her disabled sons and the shock that I was watching a show in America. I will never forget the show where Glen addressed what happened in Germany around the time of WWII. The reasoning is inhumane. The people behind this have had heartechtomys! All for money and hospital beds? When did money and beds become more important than sacred human life? 
I have a disabled grandson that will never walk or talk. He has blessed our family just by
“being” We are better a better family because of his presence in our family. When we loose our humanity… we have lost everything. Look at how a society treats it weak (children and elderly) and you will see the heart of their culture. 

Please! this is not happening. I remember seven months ago when you addressed a Dr. Phil show where a mother wanted to kill her disabled sons and the shock that I was watching a show in America. I will never forget the show where Glen addressed what happened in Germany around the time of WWII. The reasoning is inhumane. The people behind this have had heartechtomys! All for money and hospital beds? When did money and beds become more important than sacred human life? 
I have a disabled grandson that will never walk or talk. He has blessed our family just by
“being” We are better a better family because of his presence in our family. When we loose our humanity… we have lost everything. Look at how a society treats it weak (children and elderly) and you will see the heart of their culture. 

remember what was taught about evolution…. Survival of the fittest… Only perfect people are chosen… (perfect as in looks, height, weight, education, intellegence, athletic ability.. All others are subject to being expendable for those who are considered perfect to thrive and survive..

We did not learn from history… Internment camps in europe… History will come back and bite us again…

Logic and reason are not evil except in the minds of those who believe every thing that gets life must be saved no matter the cost to the tree itself
TOTALLY non logical

animals, plants, all beings do  kill off if they have not already aborted those offspring that will be a drain on the host or rest of the siblings be it apples or kittens or sparrows.

When we all  RE LEARN to live NATURALLY  again  we will put the whole  species above every
misformed mentally and/or physically being or we wait till this global boat is so full of holes we have to toss overboard all our beloveds two  footed, four  footed or flying or swimming ones.
We will be  FORCED to toss out most of  the populace for  self preservation

wait for it…  wait for it … HERE it IS…!…  now who will you  give up  first, fella?

“Get to know the laws of nature and live by
them”.
  -Adolf Hitler
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I watch a lot of Star Trek. I feel we need to do one of two things to solve this problem. One we stop having children or two we branch out star ward. We need to change places like Mars or the moon to suit our needs as a people. I know the green people here on earth hate the idea but it is that or no sex.

Your Ignorance is only eclipsed by your conceit.

 BTW, where does Stephen Hawking fit in your Brave New World ?

Glad you chose not to reproduce. The gene pool is definitely better off.

Nature’s Way…? Go eat your young, you moron.

How would you feel if your were the one on the receiving end of the hypothetical ” form of euthanasia, properly regulated and policed’ ? 

 You call yourself  a “philosopher”. What you are is delusional, with an unrealistic and misinformed understanding of the human condition.

Go to: SarahPac and check out her story on death panels here in the US ~ Funny how Palin always seams to be right on! ~ When you think about it, she is really one classy lady…Look at her record as Gov and small town Mayor, at one point after two years as Gov her approval rating was over 90%, a record for the whole damn country, no other Gov has ever had an approval rating over, think it was, 74% ~ Her debate with the Joker, Biden set a record for the most watched ever, about 84 million viewers tuned in, including PBS……..It’s still on C_Span..

Had she ran instead of Romney, Obama and Biden would be out on their ass..~ Would love to see her run 2016, she would have my support and money, I still send her Pac money and will as long as she wants it..

This GOP convention was a damn waist of money and time ~ Christie and Santorum, two piece’s of damn garbage…Santorum is a accident waiting to happen and Christie the me, me, me jerk-off…………Christie followed Ann Romney and did not mention her once, did not say what a good speech she gave………..He used the word, Me, think it was about 33 times…
After the convention, there was not even a 1 point jump in the polls ~
After Sarah Palin at the 2008 GOP conv there was a 8 point jump in the polls…
Anyone with 1/2 a damn brain would have had Palin and Allen West speak this time….
West would have won his reelection in Florida had he spoke at the conv……..
Palin, single handily won the House for the Republicans in 2010 ~ Her success rate was over 78% win on her endorsements ……She traveled the whole damn country for the her candidates..

Palin/2012
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glenn beck and his listeners are all batshit insane

bat crap crazy

bat shit crazy

when you gonna block me

i’m spending your moderator money

Glenn Beck is batshit crazy

Yes it is, ValueSet and thank you for your support.  

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I guess that is my point?

The Human species has the intellectual capacity to “have dominion over the earth,” including himself? Is man a part of nature, or apart from nature? If the former is applied, mankind must be aware of his impact on mother earth. Obviously, this could/should mean that man be aware of his population on the planet.

Unfortunately, there will be readers who assume I referring to death camps and forced sterilization. Perhaps simple common sense might be in order? That, and not forcing others to support someone else’s children!

Which is the greater immorality: Being forced to support another person, or not being willing to support another person? Giving “alms” to the poor should be voluntary!

Purv

I changed my mind…

Which is the greater immorality: “Being forced to provide alms to the poor, or not being willing to provide alms to the poor?” (Purveyor, 1994)

Apparently you like an occasional “eclipse?” How about “penumbras, cast by emanations”

Apparently you like an occasional “eclipse?” How about “penumbras, cast by emanations”

Apparently you like an occasional “eclipse?” How about “penumbras, cast by emanations”

Apologies for taking so long to respond: yes its worth it.

Glenn, As you requested I called my State Senator’s offices to voice my oppositon of CRPD and telling them not to pass it.  The  person that I spoke to at Johnny Isakson’s indicated that this Senator may be for it.  The person that I spoke to at Saxby Chambliss’ office indicated that he may be against it.

Glenn seems to be getting in your way Valerie. Too bad. It’s not looking good for and your people. You didn’t plan on there being people smarter than you, did you? When your house of cards fall, Will the rats leave their nests? Since there are holes in your dingy, Will someone save you. You know the answer. Bye, bye!

Evolution? Trust in the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

Where does Stephen Hawking fit in your Brave New World ?  (You did not answer my question, but obsfucated, focusing on the the word “eclipse”.)

What about his “quality of life” ? Does he deserve a place on your death panel mandate ? 

I will answer your question, right after you answer mine :

How would you feel if YOU were the one on the receiving end of the hypothetical “form of euthanasia, properly regulated and policed” ?

I was just speculating. As for the others don’t let them get to you I understand your point from day one. It just shocking we live in a time where no one wants to take responsibility for the own actions. My nephew so called father for instance wants nothing to do with him and we all warned my sister about him but she was in love so I can understand your point. What can we do when not many people want to live with responsibility? This is a puzzle with the human race that I just don’t get. Sooner or later we have to face reality of a problem whether it is this one or the national debt that Obama wants to add more to.

OK, I will indulge you…

I have engaged in some rather, precarious and dangerous endeavors in my life. A number of my compatriots were grievously injured to the point that the quality of their lives was such that they were/are rendered completely dependent, or partially dependent on others in some rather unpleasant ways…

I quit, before that happened to me! (but not before being taken away in helicopter at least once!)

IF, and only IF, I was injured or sick to the point of complete infirmity, I would want the choice and the compassion to choose euthanasia. (mercy killing) I sincerely hope that answers your question?

As for my question, it was an odd reference to a famous legal case, (Roe v. Wade) that somehow seemed relevant…

“Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs” (unknown)

Purveyor

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STEPHEN HAWKING LIVES<<<<<<<<<<

.>>>>>>>>>>>>Value Set Farted<<<<<<<<<<<

What's your point?

Thank you for your measured, well-thought-out reply. My gastrointestinal tract is functioning quite well, thank you. Glad that you thought enough about my welfare, and my state of health to comment on it.

My point : “Stephen Hawking Lives”… While many  people may only look at the outward physical appearance and condition of Stephen Hawking, and worry about what kind of “quality of life” that he may have, his MIND is very much alive and active. Thank you very much.

 I am profoundly grateful that he is alive to contribute to humankind’s understanding of the working of the universe, and I look past his disability and infirmity. His contribution to civilization is profound.

When I was in Cambridge, England (my husband was giving a seminar at Churchill College on molecular genetics), I saw Dr. Hawking on King’s Parade.

He was in a motorized wheelchair, (which is controlled by a mouth apparatus). He was accompanied by a caregiver , as Dr. Hawking navigated the cobblestone road..

 Seeing him  made me realize,( in a very profound way) that  a man or woman or chid is MORE than their  body. 

As a civilization, we need to respect all human life. Why ? For a selfish and self-serving reason > Because the solution to many of our problems (i.e. the cure for cancer; the discovery of a new way to generate energy; how to be better stewards of the earth’s resources etc.) may be discovered by a human being with a MUCH LESS than PERFECT body. 

Peace.

Sounds like you had profound, spiritual and philosophical experience? Furthermore, that you continue to cogitate on the implications, is commendable. My intent, as a philosopher, is to provoke further thought and apparently I succeeded.

I am curious, but not surprised as to why you extrapolated my words into a suggestion for mass murder? I simply alluded to the possibility that our planet, or any planet that may contain intelligent, sapient life must have a maximum capacity, so to speak. That human beings should have the wherewithal to determine a proper population balance with the resources provided by mother earth. That we can address the issue before it becomes a problem, or, like we tend to do so often–wait until its a crisis?

Perhaps Stephen Hawking will be the one to solve this dilemma…

Purveyor of Rhetoric