Last night, Glenn told the audience about the health problems facing his dog Victor as he is getting older. Glenn gave an update on Victor’s health this morning, and the difficult choice facing his family about how to handle his failing health.
” We have ‑‑ we have gotten an awful lot of mail from last night’s episode of the program. We talked about The Hobbit but at the end, the last four or five minutes, I… I just, I did a little tribute to my dog Victor who, if you are a long‑time listener of this program, you know Victor. We used to talk about him all the time. He used to come to work with me because he’s a service dog and Victor has been at my side for, well, shortly after 9/11,” Glenn said.
“Our lives have changed so much. At that time we didn’t want to get a gun because neither of us grew up with a gun and we were like, ‘I’m not responsible enough.’ Well, get over that, dummy. Why don’t you become responsible enough.”
“But we decided we didn’t want to get a gun. We decided we would get a dog. And we got Victor, and I’ll never forget. I was on tour. We got Victor from this great place called Harrison K‑9 and these are amazing dogs, amazing, amazing dogs and they love them and they ‑‑ they go over to Germany and find these dogs for you. They ask you exactly what your situation is. They don’t sell them to everybody because they don’t like people who want, like, attack dogs. And these are working dogs and so they ask you your situation and then they go over to Germany and try to find the right dog for you and then they train him. He’s already been in three years of training over in Germany and then they tune him for your family. And we wanted a dog that could rip somebody’s throat out but also be with the family and be good with the kids. And we didn’t have any kids at the time, and Victor, when we were going through our trouble trying to have another child, Victor was kind of our child.”
“And I remember having a conversation with Victor right before Raphe was born because Tania was down on the ground with him, and she was every night. And she was laying down on the ground with him in the bedroom and she was talking to him and rubbing his face and I said, ‘Oh, poor Victor. Victor, Mommy is not ‑‑ Mommy is going to be like, what is this dog doing. The minute this baby is born, you better be on your best behavior because now the firstborn is not quite as special.’”
“And I think Victor took my advice, and I will never forget when Raphe was old enough to sit on my lap, I was on the phone talking to somebody and I was holding Raphe on my lap and Victor was sitting there at my knee. And Raphe was, like, moving really hard and I’m like, ‘What are you doing?’ And I looked down and he has Victor by the fangs, in this giant mouth. I mean, this dog is gigantic. He used to look like a lion. And he had him by the canine teeth and he was rocking his face back and forth like it was a ride, like those were the handlebars of this giant mouth ride that he was in. And Victor was just looking up at me like, ‘You know I could take his hands right now but I won’t because I love you.’”
“He’s the best dog in the world. And I got home last night and the phone was ringing and everybody was calling and I didn’t want to talk to anybody and my wife just looked at me and said, ‘What did you do?’ And I said, ‘I just talked about Victor on the air and the decisions that we have to make.’ And she said, ‘He’s fine.’ And I said, ‘Uh‑huh.’ And he goes through these spurts where ‑‑ he’s approaching 13. He’s 12 now. For a pure bred German Shepherd that’s like 1,000. And he goes through these periods of real pain. And he was standing in the living room yesterday by himself and I walk in and he’s just, he’s whimpering. And I went over and I ‑‑ I held him. And he goes through these periods where he seems to be fine and then he can’t get up and he’s dragging his feet behind him. And we’re stuck in this place that we love him so much.”
“And I find myself having these odd Margaret Sanger conversations in my head, that life is life and who am I to say when it’s time for him to go. But I again don’t know. I don’t want him in pain. I don’t want him to ‑‑ he’s ‑‑ he’s blind now and he’s ‑‑ at times he’s the same old Victor. But when do you know?”
Glenn explained that he has wondered if the best thing for Victor would be to put him to sleep, which prompted a conversation between everyone about euthanasia in both people and animals.
Read the transcript of the conversation below:
GLENN: We were talking about this in the office this morning, and Stu is I guess my angel on one shoulder saying life is life and you don’t do it. And Pat is the other good angel on my shoulder saying you don’t let him suffer. And I’m in the middle saying I… my whole family isn’t even convinced that he’s suffering. And I don’t know if we’re in denial or if I’m trying to just get past it. It’s a tough decision.
STU: I mean, you know, you’re ‑‑ it’s impossible obviously, but you’re in a ‑‑ you’re trying to make a, essentially a quality of life judgment.
GLENN: You’re making a God decision.
STU: Yeah. And especially if there’s ‑‑ if there’s doubt. I mean, if there’s ‑‑ you know, if the doctor is saying he’s not in that much pain.
GLENN: I don’t know. The doctor is ‑‑ I mean, first of all, how do you know a dog is in pain?
STU: Yeah, but you’re not erring on the side of life, though, I mean at that point. If the medical information, people in your family think that he’s okay.
GLENN: No, nobody thinks that he’s okay.
STU: Not okay. You know, he might be in pain but you don’t ‑‑ there’s a certain amount of pain that everybody has. If he’s ‑‑ if the doctors are saying it’s not that bad, to me you don’t want to err on the side of saying, “No, I think he is in that much pain, therefore we should end life.”
GLENN: He has an IV in his leg. He has an ulcer in his eye. So his eyes are bleeding. So his eyes are red. So he’s looking. He can’t see out of his eye anymore. He’s dragging his legs behind him. He’s, times can’t get up. Sometimes he can.
Like last night the doctor put him ‑‑ you know, gave him, just gave him some medicine. You know, he’s been on IV, blah, blah‑blah. He comes home, she says give him this dog food. I haven’t seen him run to the bowl of food for I don’t know how long. We’ve had to hand‑feed him for a while because he just can’t even ‑‑ he can just barely even stand. He can’t stand up and put his head down in the bowl anymore. And ‑‑ but in the last, now like the last 36 hours, where two days ago… I wrote my kids and said, (inaudible). And last night he runs to his bowl. And it’s like…
STU: He is surviving.
PAT: He is.
GLENN: How do you make this decision? How do you make this decision? And, you know, it’s really, especially with all this stuff with ObamaCare, you can’t make that decision.
PAT: Your dog is not covered, though, by ObamaCare.
PAT: That’s not a good thing.
GLENN: You can’t, you have these people ‑‑
PAT: Your 42‑year‑old children and your dog.
STU: That’s Bo care.
GLENN: You have these panels that will make this decision that will just be cold and calculating.
PAT: Yeah, about humans.
GLENN: About humans.
PAT: About humans. And that’s ‑‑ I mean ‑‑
PAT: It’s staggering to think about for a dog. Try it for humans. I mean, it’s unbelievable the things we’re considering doing and are doing now because ObamaCare is the law of the land.
GLENN: They’re starving them to death. Now imagine this. I mean, I would go and put a bullet in his head so fast rather than starving him to death.
PAT: Oh, yeah, it’s painful. It’s awful. It’s awful.
GLENN: Starving him to death would be the most cruel thing possible.
GLENN: And that’s what they are doing in the British healthcare system now.
PAT: Yeah. To babies.
GLENN: To babies. And to handicap.
GLENN: Starving people, and the elderly, starving them to death. That’s just one of the most cruel things I’ve ever seen or heard of in my life. I can’t ‑‑ I wouldn’t do that to my dog. I would ‑‑ I contend they would put me in jail if I did that to Victor, if I starved him to death out of compassion.
STU: And they should.
GLENN: And they should. And yet that’s what the healthcare system is doing in England. And that’s what we will do here. Because it will be an easier way. We’ve already done it here. We did it with Terri Schiavo. Just starve them to death. Out of compassion. That’s not compassion.
STU: I’m admittedly weird on this issue. I mean, you know, as some people probably know, I’m like the world’s only conservative vegetarian and part of the reason for that is that there is part of that that goes into that equation that ‑‑
GLENN: Wow, listen to this. Listen to this. This is new information.
STU: No, it’s not.
PAT: We have not heard this yet.
GLENN: We said this about him the minute, and he’s like, no, I’m just, I’m tired of meat. Go ahead.
PAT: Go ahead.
STU: Or you could have read it in your own magazine in which I wrote this, Fusion magazine, which is ‑‑
GLENN: We don’t hide it in the ‑‑ hide it in the pages of magazines. Who reads magazines?
STU: No, I did ‑‑
PAT: All right. Let’s hear it. What’s the big admission then?
STU: No, I mean, I have ‑‑ it’s not a big admission.
PAT: Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. You’ve not admitted it to us on the air.
GLENN: Not on the air.
PAT: Go ahead.
GLENN: Let’s hear it.
PAT: Let’s hear it.
STU: It’s not a big admission at all. I think ‑‑
PAT: Go ahead. Let’s hear the little admission.
STU: It’s already been admitted in a magazine.
GLENN: Hang on. Take off your leather shoes before you admit this. Go ahead.
STU: These are not leather shoes. However, but I ‑‑
GLENN: We haven’t lost you to the no‑leather people, have we?
STU: No. I will say that there’s part of me ‑‑ and this did happen for my dog, by the way, in that I don’t think ‑‑ I do think that man has domain over animals. I do believe that. But I don’t necessarily mean that ‑‑ think that that’s a great idea. I still believe in the principle of life. And if it’s at all possible, I believe to err on the side of life. That goes with humans and it goes with animals. You know, and I do ‑‑
PAT: So part of this is you don’t believe man should eat animals?
STU: No, I don’t ‑‑ I feel like I err on the side of life. So like, I don’t make that decision for you guys, don’t criticize you at all. I’ve never criticized you for a second. When I really think about it ‑‑
GLENN: But I want you to know we’ve criticized you.
STU: You have, often.
GLENN: And behind your back.
PAT: And vocally. But much more in front of your back than behind your back.
STU: That’s fine. That’s fine.
GLENN: Really cruel stuff but I’d have to say that’s the really funny stuff, too.
PAT: Of course, of course.
GLENN: Is behind your back.
STU: Is ‑‑ and I believe that. But no, it’s a very personal decision. I do not pushy on anybody. I’m not PETA, I’m not taking out billboards telling you shouldn’t do it. But my point is that I don’t under ‑‑ you know, it comes to that point of here I am. If I feel like you, Glenn, with my dog, I will probably be out of work for a week when that dog dies. I will be absolutely crushed and unable to do anything. And, you know, I’ll go to the point of taking the dog to the vet all the time and all these crazy things I’ll do to keep this dog alive, but that’s just because I know this dog. The only difference between this dog and all these other animals that I would normally have on an egg sandwich is the fact that I’ve never met them and I have no relationship with them.
GLENN: That’s why Raphe said to me the other day ‑‑
STU: Why I feel it’s inconsistent.
GLENN: ‑‑ “I don’t want to eat chicken.” He’s a kid who just won’t eat anything. I mean, we can put anything in front of him and he’s got a reason not to eat it. He just won’t eat it. He will power eat morning for breakfast. He will eat like 14 bowls of cereal, eggs, bacon, anything you put in front of him. God help you if you get your hands in front of the boy in the morning. But by night, he’s just not interested. And so it was an excuse, but I think there was a little bit of it. He said, “I don’t want chicken.” I said, Raphe, you like chicken. “No, I don’t want chicken. I don’t like chicken.” Well, that’s what we’re… arghhhh! Man, it’s a good thing my grandfather does not live anywhere near this boy. But he said, I don’t want chicken because I don’t… “Why?” “Because it reminds me of my chicken.” And I said, “What’s the first thing I told you when we got chickens?” “I know, don’t name the chickens.” That’s right.
STU: But why ‑‑ I mean, and this is my point. It’s an argument of are you pro life or are you pro personality. When you have a relationship with a specific animal ‑‑
GLENN: No, I’m pro life.
STU: ‑‑ you want to keep it alive at all costs. It’s the Charlotte’s Web thing. It’s like Wilbur because a stupid spider can put a name above his head, all of a sudden you save him.
GLENN: When it comes to ‑‑ first of all, I don’t equate animal life the same as human life.
STU: I agree.
GLENN: There’s a big difference there.
STU: There’s a big difference there. And if I was starve, I would absolutely eat ‑‑
GLENN: That’s why I don’t eat veal, and I am vocal about this, I don’t eat veal because I think it’s wrong to torture your food to make it taste better. It’s just not ‑‑ that’s just beyond unethical. That’s just evil. You don’t torture your food to make it taste better. No, definitely not.
STU: There was a little hesitation there.
GLENN: I just wanted to make sure. I was… however, when it comes to your mixing in eating with saving your dog, I don’t believe in this, I just don’t believe in ‑‑ you know, if you have the money, like you have the money. Go ahead and do the CAT scans and the, you know, all of the, you know, plastic surgery, you’ll never change your pug’s face but do all of that you want, whatever, if that’s good for the dog, if it’s ‑‑
GLENN: But these people, people will get into debt with chemotherapy.
STU: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: And if you have the money, that’s fine. But I don’t ‑‑ I don’t understand. And I would do it for my dog but I ‑‑
PAT: Me, too.
GLENN: But you look at it and you think, I don’t know if this is even right. It is if you have the money. But if you are putting your family in jeopardy for it, I mean, there is something to be said with your family first. And I know.
PAT: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: The dog is a member of the family.
STU: That’s tough.
GLENN: I know.
STU: You have to put your family first.
GLENN: It’s awful.
STU: You have to do that. But, like, that stupid question kind of stuck in my head is why don’t I eat my dog? Why don’t I? The reason I don’t do it is probably taste. I don’t know what dogs taste like but people on farms will tell you that they have cows that they love and why don’t I eat them? Why don’t I eat ‑‑ why don’t they eat Wilbur? They don’t eat Wilbur because they have a relationship with Wilbur. And if you can have a relationship with Wilbur, then why don’t you consider that in the equation? I still believe that man is superior. I’m not some crazy, like, I don’t think I’m pushing anything on anybody. But it’s something, I feel like as a conservative who wants to remain consistent ‑‑
PAT: Listen to this. This is pretty new information.
GLENN: We’ve lost him.
PAT: This is new information.
STU: It’s all in the article eight years ago.
GLENN: He’s going to be wearing Birkenstocks.
PAT: We don’t read you dumb articles.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
PAT: I mean, we read everything else in TheBlaze magazine.
GLENN: Have you read ‑‑
PAT: And don’t read yours, Stu?
GLENN: Have you read Agenda 21 yet?