If I invented a holiday to celebrate white culture, how come I’d be a racist SOB?  Not that I would. That would be vain and stupid! 

Or is she just using it to try and push the narrative that the GOP is racist? … http://youtubeGoogleAmericanJob.qr.net/jVwS/watch?v=lQPBSI0W9o4R

Here is a woman in an interview who, when asked by the reporter during the campaigning, what race she was interested in (presidential, mayor, governor etc) Answered “Black”. Now tell me who the racists are ?

White people cannot say anything about the white race in connection with anything or they are excoriated.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=20611

WASHINGTON — White people will no longer make up a majority of Americans by 2043, according to new census projections. That’s part of a historic shift that already is reshaping the nation’s schools, workforce and electorate, and is redefining long-held notions of race.The country’s changing demographic mosaic has stark political implications, shown clearly in last month’s election that gave President Barack Obama a second term – in no small part due to his support from 78 percent of non-white voters.”The fast-growing demographic today is now the children of immigrants,” As recently as 1960, whites made up 85 percent of the U.S., but that share has steadily dropped after a 1965 overhaul of U.S. immigration laws opened doors to waves of new immigrants from Mexico, Latin America and Asia. By 2000, the percentage of U.S. whites had slid to 69 percent; it now stands at nearly 64 percent

How many Koreans work at the Washington Times?  You are moonies, more than a few, troll writers from the Washington Times, with your cute cartoons next to your cute names, but in reality you are just salesmen for the late “Rev.” Moon’s Unification Churdh/Tongil Group. Big interests in keeping Americans tax dollars flowing to your interests in Korea, right?
You can whine like a rightist fool all you want to, emperors who have no clothes do, but you will not deny your Unification 
Church founder Sun Myung Moon, will you?

A lot of african americans view christmas and christianity as a “white
man” thing. Kwanza was developed as an alternative to christmas. It
didnt come about till the 1960s. It supposed to celebrate the community
as a whole, celebrating the culture, the history etc. It also delves
into collective works, responsibilities and economics.  

The racists have worn out the term, racist, because they have used it so much, where it does not apply. Just ignore those people and their slanders and go on. Those people mean nothing.

I liken Kwanza to Festivus.  Happy Festivus everybody!

 Yeah, except that Festivus is not about hatred, socialism, and separatism.

 ”Collective works” is code for collectivism. The inventor of Kwanzza is an ardent Marxist and black separatist.

 ”Collective works” is code for collectivism. The inventor of Kwanzza is an ardent Marxist and black separatist.

There are but TWO holidays (origin: Holy days!) that have existed since North America was settled by Europeans! They are Christmas & Hanukka!
“Kwanzaa” is made up B.S.!!!!!!

Obama says Kwanzaa is great. And so are all the holidays. He needs holidays to rest up for all the vacations he takes .

Hcua:    Sadly, that has been the way we’ve handled it since the 60′s.   No, now more than ever in your life, you can’t ignore. you need to learn as much as you can about the danger our country is in. This is not crazy, unaware is exactly why too many Americans just don’t realize how this amazing, freedom loving country is being systematically dismantled.  The very people you try to ignore, don’t even realize, they are being used, and are helping it along. Most of them believe what the conditioning has fed them, and i’m sure they love this country too, ALL of us, better start learning about what both sides of the Gov.is doing.  This hate was manufactured over the years. Remember United We, Stand, Divided, We Will Fall.

“A lot of african americans view christmas and christianity as a “white
man” thing?” What are you nuts!? I am African American, I am Christian just like 86% of African Americans, and I do celebrate christmas just like most African Americans.

http://al.ly/qxA

You must work for Iranian government to be this bigoted to Americans.
How many gay people did you put to death today?

Hay guys the guy who founded Kwanzaa Dr. Maulana Keranga. Guess what group he was a part of the L.A. chapter of the black panthers as leader. Also did jail time for torturing two women.

It figures that you sleazy troll writers at the Washington Times would be out selling today, you would not want to miss a chance promoting the Rev. Moon’s Washington Times and gun sales would you? The trouble is the rightist scam you moonies use to sell. You and your buddies troll these sites simply to sell. Your message is righist sleaze, but your late “Rev.” Moon’s interests are many. I especially like your Pavlovian gun “rights” drumbeat whines you use to boost your own sales:”Kahr Arms is an American small arms manufacturer founded by Kook Jin “Justin” Moon (son of Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon), who currently serves as CEO and President. It is owned by the Saeilo Corporation (pronounced say-low), a subsidiary of Tongil Group, a South Korean business group (chaebol) associated with the Unification Church. (“Tongil” is Korean for “unification,” the name of the Unification Church in Korean is “Tongilgyo.” Wikepedia, 12-12-12.
How was your gun selling business doing today?

You sound like an idiot conspiracy theorist. Let me guess you think that 9/11 was faked by the Jews. That the moon landing where fake by the government and lizard people are taking over the world.

Kwanzaa is a celebration of the Afro-Americans blackness… they celebrate themselves, as opposed to Christmas and Hanukkah celebrators.

You do not have to post your Washington Times-moonie scams, all you have to do to be believable is deny the late Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his Unification Church.

If the KKK did a holiday on the greatness of whiteness there would be outrage. I think ignoring racism where ever it comes from is dangerous. This reminds me of the golden calf story in the Bible.

I don’t even know who the hell that is. You need to take your meds.

Still, just a few paragraphs about the late Rev. Moon and his shameless promotion of gun sales via plants in the Washington Times got “Sam Fisher” bent out of shape. Very odd, wouldn’t you say, for a moonie who does not “even know who the hell that is.”

There is no equality because certain groups are allowed exceptions for perceived injustices that no longer exist and to which they were not subjected.

He might be the next shooter…. he’s obviously a mental case.

He may be a mental case but I don’t think it is right to joke about that stuff because of what happen yesterday.

He doesn’t care, he is a leftist idiot who seems unaffected by it all, that is why I would not be surprised if he turned out to be a shooter one of these days. He has no respect for others and doesn’t give a crap about what happened. He has no sense of empathy or sympathy and doesn’t identify or can’t relate. He fits the profile.

That’s an excellent point!

I would venture a guess that 99.999% of white people have no idea what Kwanzaa is and don’t care. Probably 95% of  school age blacks have no idea unless they have been told by their black teachers in predominately black schools what it is.( And they only get one version which is the propagana vesion) Adult blacks older than 55 might know something about the black holiday,but celebrate Christmas anyway.In fact, most blacks celebrate Christmas if they celebrate Kwanzaa or only celebrate Chritmas. Native American Indians, Latinos, Hispanics, Asians, etc, probably have very little knowlege or none when it comes to the background of Kwanzaa. According to numerous websites Kwanzaa was created in 1966 by Mulana Karenga who was born Ronald McKinley Everett in 1941.  Kwanzaa means First Fruits of the Harvest which is dervived from other pagan festivals that have absolutely nothing to do with Christanity or Jesus. In fact, when Karenga first created the holiday he stated that Christmas was a white man’s holiday , that blacks should totaly avoid it and that Jesus Christ was a Psychotic. Kwanzaa is based on seven principles of African heritage which celebrates “Blackness” which means that it was created to promote the “Communitarian African philosophy”. This philosophy of promoting a separate Black Community in America apart from the “Whites” is Karenga’s vision of how Blacks in America should exist in the White Man’s world.
Karenga was and is a black activist who was a major figure in the “Black Power” movement of the 1960′s. He was greated influenced by Malcom X who was involved with the Nation Of Islam and promoted the need for revolution in America to over throw the White Man’s government.Karenga agreed with Malcom X about the need for revolution . In the early 1970′s he created the Black Nationalist organization know as US which promoted armed struggle in America and had para military componets.Karenga created Kawanzaa to control and direct the Black people’s focus away from Christanity(he has promoted secular humanism since the 70′s)
and by using so called “Black Heritage” to separate them from thinking of themselves as “Americans” first to making them think of themselves as “Africans” first. By creating this mind set in the Black community he is trying to cause a wider split between the races to cause the revolution he wants.Karenga was arrested in 1971 and served four years of a possible ten year sentence for felonious assault and false imprisonment. He and his wife kidnapped and tortured women,but claimed it was political. This is the creator of Kwanzaa. This is only a partial history of Kwanzaa. Sometimes it is suggested that the holiday is about freedom from slavery. This so called African holiday doesn’t even involve the African countries where the slave trade was carried out. Don’t forget it was other blacks in Africa that captured and sold “Africans” into slavery. For generations waring tribes and clans captured and or killed their enemies (other black tribes). Slavery was nothing new to the African continent. It become more profitable when the Dutch and British became involved.—- So slaves were sold to them.
Kwanzaa is not about celebration,but separation between the races.
Have you ever asked yourself : Why do we still have all black private colleges? Why do we have a Black only Miss America contest when we already have a Miss America contest that blacks can enter.? Why do we have Black Only awards for all kinds of things when we have the same or similar awards for everyone regardless of race? Why is it that anything all white is racist,or that if it is all white it must allow blacks or minorites to enter and it is mandatory that racial quotas still exist.But if it is something that is all black—- it is about heritage or history or self awareness and not racist? Study after study has proven that busing kids to balance some quotas didn’t improve their education and only caused more problems. This same mentality that created busing has seen a decline in American education ,in test scores, graduations, and levels of competency in math ,science, physics,etc.  Kwanzaa?

Nancy is in bad need of an exorcism! But she doesn’t believe in God Or Jjesus or the Bible–so she will have to live with the demons inside her. That’s probaby why she is so dog ugly!

 The 7 principles of Kwanzaa are almost word for word the same as the 7 principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, the group that kidnapped Patty Hearst, robbed banks, and died in a hail of bullets and the burning of their hideout.  It shows what their organizations are founded on and what they believe. Look it up.

The word was originally Kwanza, but to make it look more”African and to give it 7 letters to match the 7 principles, they added an “a” to the end to make it Kwanzaa  There was also an FBI connection as they were trying to get Blacks to think about something other that killing each other and beating and raping their ho’s.  It didn’t work.

 Festivus for the rest of us.

I prefer Christmas.

 It also celebrates the life of Ron Karenga, a convicted felon who kidnapped and abused two women.  It also celebrates he killing of white people.

 And look where that has taken us, rampant crime, drug abuse, unemployment, foreclosures, more than half of the black babies born today are illegitimate with no father in the family, neighborhoods where even the police will not go into, cities living under Sharia Law, and the worst thing…A Marxist Muslim president and his America hating wife and an administration full of misfits, communists, and tax cheats, and a population made up of people who count on the government for their sustenance.  Some of them do actual work for their government check, like police, firemen, teachers, but the rest just collect a check, bureaucrats, welfare queens, illegal aliens etc.

Sandie–Please explain what Afro-American blackness is vs American blackness or just blackness! They celebrate themselves? How does Afro -American blackness compare to Irish-American-Irishess, Italian-American Italianness, German-American Germaness, Chiness-American Chineness, Japanese-American Japanessness, etc, etc, etc. Please show me on  a world Map where those generations of Blacks born “since” 1900 came from in Africa.
Harlem, Watts, Chicago, ?  Are they Americans first and then Black or Black first and then American? Why should race be the primary factor in a so called celebration.? Why promote separation between races? How do whites celebrate themselves? You’re 100% correct when you say in opposition to Christmas and Hanukkah. America was founded on Judaeo/Christian principles based on the bible. Kawanza is based on and founded on secular humanism and pagan festival rites.It was created by a man who wants to overthrow America by revolution and armed struggle if necesary because he hates whites. If you are defining “blackness” as these things: hatred, revolution, violence, paganism, omitting God from society then I wonder how Rev. Martin Luther King would respond to a statement like that?  Yes, he was an American who was a black man not an Afro-American that happened to be an American. His struggle was to bring people of all races together not to cause further separation of the races. When you comment on the Holiday of Kawanzaa in the fashion you did without knowing what you are talking about you only serve to help those who do not want the truth to be known and lead people away from the “Truth”.Before you make such comments please take the time to research the subject. Ignorance is a lack of : experience, training or education. Stupid on the other hand is a choice and you can’t fix-stupid! Which one are you?

As if that’s bad, check this out:

Open Borders Groups Sue over New Montana Law Denying Benefits to Illegal Aliens

In a complaint filed early last week in state court, a pro-illegal alien advocacy group, the state’s largest union, and a Montana resident born in Canada sued Montana and several state officials as a result of the passage of Legislative Referendum 121 (LR-121). which denies state-taxpayer funded services such as state licenses, state employment, unemployment or disability benefits, and aid for university students to illegal aliens. The law also requires state agencies to notify the U.S. Department of Homeland Security of illegal aliens who have applied for state services. (LR-121).

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I have celebrated Kwanzaa for more than twenty years and am profoundly offended by the content of this video because it disseminates misinformation and models ignorance and buffoonery. Kwanzaa is a celebration of community that focuses unity, creativity, faith, ancestry, and collective work and responsibility; concepts that all of humanity should exemplify.

You have showed not only do you no nothing of the black community. You don’t have any clue about Kawanza your entire statement is false.

Again you do not know you Black history malcolm X did not believe in revolution he believed that black and whites should be seprate. After takeng a trip to mecca he left the nation of islam and preached to peaceful and law abiding citzens, but not to be afraid to defend yourself. Alot of Black kids know about Kwanzaa and as an african-american i find the thing that you say to be racist and very false.

Wrong we do not celebrate Kwanzaa to oppose Chrismas and Hanukah. Kawanza is the week after chrismas and most people who celebrate kwanzaa celebrate Crismas because most African-American are christian and Kwanzaa has nothing to do with Religion. It is to celebrate are african roots. So before you make comments like that you may want to research what you are talking about.

Bush and clinton both took more vacation days then obama so stop that rhetoric

In that case all christians should celebrate Hanukka it came before chrisiainty

If the sun is shinning and you say “The sun isn’t shinning it is of course  the moon–why can’t you see–your perception of what you see is false” Just because you say it isn’t shining does change the FACT that it is. If the statement is false, as you say, please explain why it is false ,where it is false and how you arrived that that conclusion –other than just your opinion. The information,facts that I provided for review came from Wekepedia, A history of Kwanza and several other sites that were directly related to the history and its creation as well as  newspaper articles and statements made by its creator. If you go to a website that is created by those that see the moon and not the sun it isn’t going to be helpful. In other words if you want unbiased info on a topic don’t go to website that promotes that subject or is just one sided propaganda.  I understand you disagree—  ok but support your opinion by more than your opinion.You have no  idea what I know or don’t know about the Black community. Please let everyone know “the truth” and explain what Facts you have regarding the history and creation of Kawanza as well as its creator. Thank you.

May I ask you a few questions to clarify your statement so that I may better understand. I think that you are to be commended for your consistency in 20 years of attendance.(especially in this day and age)  Are you a Christian– Roman Catholic, Protestant, Greek Othodox,etc or a memeber of another religion? What city do you live in? Is the neighborhood an all black community? I would think that as a committed follower of Karanga and his beliefs  you would not be a Christian.As the festival is based on pagan rituals.I would also have to assume that as a committed participant in Kawanzaa you would only live in an all black community, work in an only black busines that employs only blacks and live in a community that promotes race first(Blackness over any other race) I agree with your comments that Kawanzaa is a celebration of community etc, You just forgot to mention or perhaps inadvertently left out the word”blackness” or is a celebration of the “Black” community that focuses on” Black” unity,” black”creativity,”black” ancestry,”black” work ( Black businesses ,products,etc.)and “black” responsbility to the “black” community. I would disagree that all of humanity should exemplify” raceism, separation, and promotion of secular humanism and paganism. Oh, doing the same thing for 20 years doesn’t make it the right thing to do. It just means you did it for 20 years. And since you have been involved that long please explain what Part of Africa and what tribe your ancestors came from.Do you define yourself as an Afro-American or an American who has an African ancestry? There is a difference. Which comes first?Thank you very much for all help in explaining your statement.You should also review the the creator’s(Karanga) intent in making such a holiday in 1966.

Kwanzaa is a celebration of the Afro-Americans blackness – the African roots as you call it, which means it is a self oriented celebration. They do not live in Africa and have never lived in or experienced that society. They have only lived in the US society.
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Maulana Karenga created Kwanzaa in 1966 as the first specifically African-American holiday. Karenga said his goal was to “give Blacks an alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and their history…” … ie: it is a racist holiday!

The spelling of Kwanzaa has a quite strange origin. Originally it was going to be spelled “Kwanza” but because there was an extra child at the ceremony where children were to hold up large letters in a line, they decided to spell it Kwanzaa with the extra child holding up the last letter in the Holiday.

I never said you celebrate Kwanzaa to oppose Christmas and Hanukah.

Is that a black thing?

Well….It’s not an Irish thing! LOL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! LMAO!

Let’s review . Malcom X born Malcom Little was also known in his teen age years as “Detroit Red” because of the red tint in his hair. Detroit Red became well known for his criminal activites as a street hustler, drug dealer, gang leader and various thefts ,scams,etc. From 1946 to 1952 while in prison he became a Muslim and a memeber of the Nation of Islam. He liked the idea of black togetherness and the fact that they didn’t smoke,drink or eat pork. As a believer in the Koran he replaced his Christian up bringing (by his father who was a Revened ) and belief in the Bible with Islam. The Nation of Islam was founded by Wallace D. Ford in the 1930′s. Ford’s designated assistant was Elijah Muhammad(ElijahPoole). As a member of the Nation of Islam Malcom was taught by Elijah that the white race was created by YAKUB and that Allah considerd the white race to be devilish and evil. Because of the treatment of blacks by the white man(slavery) as well as numerous other offenses the Nation Of Islam  Demanded that a separate Black Nation be created out of the states of Georgia ,Alabama and Mississipi.The question arises however; how was this to be achieved:by politely asking the whites to move out ?By sit ins,protests and non violence?.By a politcal means?.  He believed the White man’s government to be evil and vile and full of contempt for the black man.During WWII members of the Nation of Islam refused to serve in the military. — Malcom X  frequently critized Rev. Martin Luther King for his nonviolence approach to intergration. Malcom urged his followers to defend themselves”by any means”. Of course the Nation of Islam and Malcolm X determined the necessity and the reasons for that defense. By any means meant exactly that– to commit violence or kill in order to defend yourself.  Malcom X did indeed visit Meca and there he threw himself into the fundamentals of Islam, the Koran and Jihad. He completely involved himself even more in the struggle”The Holy War” against the percieved racial oppression of Blacks.He didn’t leave the Nation of Islam he was expelled for his radical ideas and extremist remarks. He became an embarrassment  to the Nation of Islam for his remarks about the assination of President John Kennedy. (a white man). In 1965 he was killed by members of the Nation of Islam. (Those law abiding,peaceful citizens) And I’m sure that some black kids do know ABOUT Kawanza. The same way children in China know about communism. They only know what they are told to believe. If you consider yourself to be African American first instead of an American who was born black then it is understandable why you should feel that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist. When you put race first in defining yourself aren’t you the racist? There is already enough separation of peoples around the world. How does celebrating a festival that focuses on race and more separation between people help solve that? When white people celebrate The Fourth of July ,Easter, Veterans Day,etc are they being racist?

I don’t know whether to laugh or be afraid…

Now I am peeved! There isn’t a winter holiday for us Indians!!! That’s just not right – I’m writing a letter to Obama this minute to correct this outrage!

There is nothing to fear except ignorance itself.

Then someone will have to write also to see about getting one that celebrates whiteness.

Yeah, I think that might be covered in the movie, “White Christmas”, but I am not sure about that. LOL!

ok, he was kicked out of the nation of islam for what he said about elijah mohammed, because of the multiple children that lijah mohammed had and did not take care of. And if you ever listen to any of malcolm X’s speeches he all ways preached the the christian god and the islam god is the same god. again you need to research him listen to his speeches before you make false staement. also later in his life him and Dr. King became friends.

You actually your statement that i replied to.

Your first mistake was getting your information from wikipedia. that is not a good source of info because anybody can change the info on wikipedia. i can change what information is wikipedia with no problems. As and african american that grow up and still live in an all black community alot of my friends celebrate kawanza and teach there children about kawanza and most of the are christian. So by say kawanza oooose god or any other relgion is false. is not a relgous celebrate it is a cultural celebration.

First, Kwanzaa was created to reaffirm and restore our rootedness in African
culture. It is, therefore, an expression of recovery and reconstruction of
African culture which was being conducted in the general context of the Black
Liberation Movement of the ’60′s and in the specific context of The Organization
Us, the founding organization of Kwanzaa and the authoritative keeper of its
tradition. Secondly, Kwanzaa was created to serve as a regular communal
celebration to reaffirm and reinforce the bonds between us as a african-americans. It was
designed to be an ingathering to strengthen community and reaffirm common
identity, purpose and direction as a people and a world community. 
Thirdly, Kwanzaa was created to introduce and reinforce the Nguzo Saba
(the Seven Principles.) These seven communitarian African values are:
Umoja (Unity), Kujichagulia (Self-Determination), Ujima
(Collective Work and Responsibility), Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics),
Nia (Purpose), Kuumba (Creativity), and Imani (Faith). This
stress on the Nguzo Saba was at the same time an emphasis on the
importance of African communitarian values in general, which stress family,
community and culture and speak to the best of what it means to be African and
human in the fullest sense. And Kwanzaa was conceived as a fundamental and
important way to introduce and reinforce these values and cultivate appreciation
for them.

And why is it that just because and grand parent don’t come from africa that we should forget  that are ancestors came from africa.

YOU reread it, and then quote exactly the sentence where I said that!! You can’t, because I never did!

Somewhere, an asian ethnic child weeps for a holiday all their own…

All this racial divisiveness is promoted by the people who are first to scream racism.

Exactly – it’s their ignorance in mass numbers that is frightening.

Perzactly.

OK so we have established that he was in fact a Muslim Not a Christian. That he was in fact a convict (not for political,but criminal prosecutions) That he didn’t walk away as you stated the first time,but was indeed kicked out. He also may have acted friendly toward Rev King in public and the news media,but they were never bossom buddies and Malcom never changed his views about using violence in defense of percieved violations against blacks. If you are a Christian please explain by using scripture not opinion how the God of Islam and the God  of the Bible are the same God. If you are a Muslim please show me in the Koran where Allah and Jehova,Yaweh are the same.

As I noted, I used info from Wekepedia ,but also several other sites including newspaer articles and comments made by the creator of the festival, Maulana Karenga. He also created the Organiztion US which as you say has its roots in Black Liberation and Black Nationalism which are Black separatist movements that came to being in the 60′s. In the first magazine, Message to the Grass Roots, published in 1966 by the US organization. Hakin Jamel a cousin to MalcomX was listed as the founder and Karenga as the chairman;however according to the book— Fighting For US : Maulena Karenga, The US Organization and Black Nationalism written by Karenga. Jamel left the organization because he felt that Kawanza was not revelant to the condition of Blacks in the present day and  age of the 60′s.He then founded the Malcom X foundation as an alternative to US. According to the Encylopedia Britannica Karenga founded the US Organization and the Seven Principes of Kawanza to promote( Black )African culture and Rituals.On numerous occasions Karenga stated that Kawanza was created to give blacks an alternative to the white man’s Christmas and the pressure of the white society they lived in. After much negativeism from the news media he later reversed his statements and told participants it was ok to celebrate Christmas along with Kawanza,but didn’t recant any of his original ideas about Kawanza being a Black ” ONLY” celebration specifically to promote his philosophy of secular humanism(which is a religion of its own) and separation of Blacks from Whites as noted in his Organization US.As you noted was indeed born during the riots and protests and shootings of the 60′s.According to the website for Kawanzaa which describes the the 7days of the festival, the The African Rituals that constitute Kwanza is identifed as a spiritual observance. ON the first day Dec. 26–the MFUME calls the family together and the MFUME greets them:by saying HABARI GANT then everone responds UMOJA. The celebration is then begun by first saying a PRAYER. (SOUNDS like it is spiritual and religious) You note that you are a Christain and not a Muslim. As a follower of Jesus Christ ,a believer of the Bible please explain how you equate Kawanza (African rituals ) with scripture.According to numerous souces Kawanza means: “Festival of the Crops” or “First fruits” which is derived from the African rituals surrounding the celebration.Kawanza is non Christian, and has nothning to do with Jesus, the bible or the God of the Bible. I’m not talking about the commercial celebration of Christmas,but the birth of Jesus and why He came into the world. Apparently, you have also answered the question which comes first in your definiton of yourself are you an “American First” who was born Black or an African-American who happens to live in America. Learning about your ancestors and your ancestry is wonderful.There are are all kinds of sites and research on geneology. Making a festival to promote one Race over others and celebrating a creation of one man’s hypothetical ideolgy regarding an African culture that has never existed on the African continent is not progress to the unity and botherhood of all people and races. The seven communication African values/ principles that you note do not exist in Africa today nor can you restore something that never existed in Africa the past. Read the History of Africa,Its people, Its politics,Its struggles and Pan Africanism. Remember if it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, quacks like a duck –it isn’t a horse. You can call it  whatever you want ,but that doesn’t change what it is. Anyway enough is enough.Apparently, I won’t change your mind about what you believe and you certainly won’t change mine. God Bless America!

Do you know the History of Christmas if you did you would know that christmas has nothing to do with the bible. You guys need to stop with this myth about a war on christinity it really is getting old.kawanza came about during the civil rights movement where african-americans had to bring there community together to fight the injustice that was being done to the. The principle where made to celebrate the african american culture.

Have you ever read the koran it is the same story. Muslims belive in jesus, moses, king david. Just like we do the story starts to differ when it come to the prophet mohammed. But they do belive in jesus they just belive the mohammed was a prophet after jesus. I never said he change his veiw on violience. He “It is criminal to tell a man to to defend him self agianst violence toward him.” Again after hi trip to Mecca and left the Nation of islam his view about society and treatment of all people changed. Go listen to his speech before and after he left the nation. 

Muslims believe that Jesus was a Prophet–Not the Son of God.They do not Believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior .They know “about Jesus” They do not accept Him as divine or that He is risen and the Lord of All. They know about Moses and about KIng David. Abraham had two sons Issac the son of the covenant by his wife Sarah and Ishmael the son of a Hand maiden Haggar..Ishamel was sent away. Thus according to the Bible the nation of Israel and the Muslim nations came to be. Muslims know who Abraham was— too,but deny the birth right of Issac because they say Ishamel was the first born. They place Mohammed above Jesus.  The problem with many of your half truths is that you seem to omit the rest of the story or chose to repeat the same thing over and over again as if that will make it true. As a muslim who believed in the Koran,lived by the Koran Malcom X as I said became even more invovled with  the religion of Islam. The Koran teaches that when it comes to infidels (anyone who is not a Muslim) they have three choices when it comes to Islam. They can convert to Islam, become a slave to Islam(like a dog) or be killed.Malcom X was indeed a devout Muslim and a black man who believed in violence which is more than evident from his past and his actions. You don’t judge a man by what he says alone ,but by his actions. A few speeches made in public to placate the media and his detractors doesn’t erase a lifetime of hate and anger. No! It isn’t criminal to legally defend yourself or your family;however it is criminal when it isn’t self defense or the method exceeds the actions of the person who is the attacker. Who determines what is a legimiate/leagal response the “LAW” ,”the courts” a judge” not the individual or an organization that super imposes their beliefs upon society. That produces chaos and anarchy.Malcom X did not believe in the “white man’s” Justice before or after his vist to Mecca. Islam is not a religion of peace and love. Mohammed said to kill the infidel. Jesus said to love your enemy,turn the other cheek, to be your brother’s keeper. Muslims spread Islam by conquering other nations and people. Christanity( the apostles and Jesus) spread the gospel by preaching and talking with gentiles and Jews. You can’t change history!   No matter how much you continue to try to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear it won’t happen. 
 

Ok we can stop discussing this cause you really don’t know about malcom x when you go and learn the truth we can discuss this again.

In reply to— independent truth. Wow! That’s exactly what I was going to say ! When you learn the truth and accept it–let me know —until then good luck with whatever it is you want to believe in place of the truth. God bless America —All Americans! 

in reply to the independent truth. You’re right the Christmas celebrated today as a secular holiday has nothing to do with the Bible. I never said it did. I said that Kawanzaa had nothing to do with the bible, Jesus or the God of the Bible. The Christmas that you are refering to is apparently the images of: St Nick, Santa Clause, Christmas trees, ornaments, gifts,etc. That Christmas with the holly wreathes, misteltoe, Christmas lights and shopping is not what the celebration is about. The origins of the clebration of Jesus’ birth dates back to the ancient Greco-Roman world in the 2nd century. IN 336 AD when the Emperor Constantine declared Christanity the formal religion of Rome he celebrated the birth of Jesus on Dec 25;however some sources recognize that that Christians did not celebrate the date as a major festival until the 9th century.Jesus birth date has been given as March 28,Nov18,Sept 11, Jan7, and Dec 25. His exact date of birth is not given in the New Testament. Over the years most of Christanity has settled on Dec25. Christmas should celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus, why he was born and who He was. The rest has nothing to do with his birth and is derived from paganism and man made traditions. I have already  repeatedly addressed the History of Kawanza, its creator, Organization US, Black Nationalism,etc— I can’t see the purpose in repeating it all again.
      In regard to your comment about the principle of Kawanza—- Let me see if I understand how you phrased it. Since you refer to them as the African American principles. Does that mean that the 7 principles were Not “African” in nature from Africa,but African-”American” created here in America by the creator of Kawanza to celebrate NOT an African culture ,but an American culture created by him for African Americans.
    In regard to your comments about the war on Christanity— let me say that I would suggest if that is the case then Muslims should stop killing Chritians around the world,in Egypt,In Jordan,In Etheopia, In Iran,in Lebanon, In Afganistan,the Middle East and numerous other countries. That liberals, athestist, socialist,communists— The ACLU stop removing the God of the Bible from our society,our schools,our courts,our education system, our money,etc. America is a Christian Nation,founded on the beliefs of the Bible. Over the last 50 years the results of removing God from our lives are obvious. Our fouding fathers were Christians not Muslims,Buddists, Taoist,cultist,naturalists, socialist,communists or any other “ism” or “ists”. Yes, we have freedom to worship here in comparison to many other nations or countries where you can’t worship as you chose.(All of Islam) If a muslim converts to Christanity from Islam he can be put to death, If you bring a Bible into a Muslim country that is a Death penalty, You are not allowed to mention Jesus or preach the gospel in a Muslim country. In America—you can worship as you chose: the god of your choice, in the church,mosque or temple of your choice,but that does not mean that Christians become second class citizens and lose their freedoms to live as Christians,worship as Christians,work as Christians just to appease some form of “political correctness” We should not apoligize for being Christians to anyone.  Removing nativity scenes,( that represent the birth of Jesus) not being able to pray at public functions or in public places, etc. Mythical war on Christanity?  Open your eyes and your ears to what is happening here and around the world.For Christians, in my opinion, being meek,humble and loving your neighbor doesn’t mean being a doormat ,stupid or walking calmly into the arena to be eaten by the lions. Take off your rose colored glasses and smell the flowers. Get on a plane and visit the homeland, stop in Jerusalem, the Middle East and go to Mecca.

Just another Pagan “holiday”, that doesn’t have anything 2 do with AFRICA!

Hi JERRY!

On whose dime?!

Already did Dingbat, heard it from Missionaries that they went 2 AFRICA & asked the NATIVES what KWANZAA was and got a Blank stare N return!

Notice all the Wars still going on in AFRICA today?

 LMAO!

Sam, you mean Obama isn’t really a lizard person, lol.  Just kidding, of course.  Don’t want to insult the lizards out there.  Anyway, sounds like this Ord_Miller guy is just a self absorbed tool of the left.  No need to worry about him calling you a troll.

Actually, many Christians do celebrate Hanukkah because of its ties to early Christianity.  Just that some celebrate it in a different fashion than Jews do, and others celebrate it side by side with Jews.  Now, even though most mainstream Christians don’t really celebrate Hanukkah as they should, it’s ties to early Christians and the birth of Christianity make it extremely important for both Jews and Christians to follow.  It’s a lot like the Passover in that respect.

On Our dime

But most do not.

This was dumb… so is the holiday…