Unconstitutional? New NY gun laws to apply retroactively

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Glenn took a deeper look at the new gun laws passed in New York this week that are being called “the most restrictive gun control laws in the country”. One of the major components of the new law being that magazines are now limited to holding only seven bullets.

“What’s interesting about this,” Glenn points out, “is that they didn’t include police officers. So, there’s no loophole for police officers.”

“So if your a police officer, you better arrest yourself,” he added.

Another detail now being discovered in this legislation is that it’s retroactive up to one year. Gun owners are not simply grandfathered into these new laws. Essentially, one year from this week, you would have to get rid of all of the magazines you own that hold over seven bullets. If you don’t, you’re breaking the law.

So legally purchased items have now become illegal.

“This is unconstitutional,” Pat said. “Say what you will about it, but it’s flat out unconstitutional.”

“Has there ever been a case of where you purchased something, and it’s now illegal?” Glenn asked.

The only circumstance Stu could think of where law may have been enacted retroactively was car emissions regulations.

Just in case these regulations apply to you, here are the facts we were able to dig up on retroactive (ex post facto) laws in the United States Constitution.

Clause 3 of Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution states that Congress is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws. The states are prohibited in clause 1 of Article 1, Section 10.

This is one of the relatively few restrictions that the United States Constitution made to both the power of the federal and state governments before the Fourteenth Amendment. The case referred to in the rulings of many of these Supreme Court cases is Calder vs. Bull. In the case Justice Samuel Chase held that prohibition applied only to criminal matters, not civil. Four categories of unconstitutional ex post facto laws were established.

There have been cases where retroactive laws have not been held unconstitutional. These include restrictions on convicted sex offenders and sex offender registration. A domestic violence offender gun ban was held up, where firearm prohibitions were imposed on people who have been convicted of misdemeanor domestic-violence offenses and on subjects of restraining orders. Retroactive taxes are also not considered ex post facto laws.

So, while there does seem to be some disparity around regulations and retroactive law, it would appear that if you don’t have a criminal background, laws that make something you own illegal when it was purchased legally are unconstitutional.

And they should be. As Stu points out, responsible, law-abiding gun owners are some of the most serious about gun crime. They want people to abide by the law.

“The most serious people on gun safety, and the people most serious about punishing offenders [of gun crime] are the people that I know in the N.R.A.,” Glenn added.

Glenn noted the biggest applause lines he gets when giving speeches at the N.R.A. are when he discusses punishing and stopping offenders of gun crime.

“They’re responsible with their guns. They know the meaning of a gun. And yet, they’re made to look like the monsters,” Glenn said.

The people the laws would target — especially retroactive laws — are not criminals. They’re not the people committing gun crimes. They’re responsible law-abiding citizens that have followed all of the laws.

Despite the unconstitutionality of the new laws, there’s another issue. Nobody knows how many magazines a person has.

“Do you announce what magazines you have? Do you just destroy the magazines that you have?” Glenn asked.

It’s hard to believe that responsible gun owners will be reporting and handing over magazines they purchased legally. There is no reason to turn a law-abiding citizen into a criminal or to make them feel like a criminal. Like you’ll see in the video below, there are legitimate reasons that both Democrats and Republicans should be able to see eye-to-eye on when it comes to gun-ownership and the rights of law-abiding American citizens.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    We see the clear case of the Democrats and their clear and blatant disregard for the United States Constitution. This law is clearly unconstitutional and needs to be challenged in the courts to have it overturned immediately.

    Look at what this sets in the way of a precedence for the Democrats: Establish one law in one state that undermines the cited articles of the Constitution, and then begin the process to have all states and the Federal government declare the same.

    What they cannot succeed at on the Federal level they move to the State, County and City levels until the entire structure is undermined and collapses upon itself. 

    This is about a blatant move to challenge and force a change to the Constitution without the consent of the people by voting for amendments as established in the Constitution. If this is allowed to stand, then the Democrats and Progressives will have won.  

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    We are seeing the fulfillment of the ‘never waste a good emergency’ policies of the left and that of Obama. Look how this law blatantly undermines the Constitution and sets a precedence if left unchallenged for the Fed’s to say ‘they did it so can we’ to disarm us completely.

    Those who voted for Obama wanted a king, now they have him and he will destroy this land once and for all given a chance. May God have mercy on their souls for their choices.

  • landofaahs

    Eventually, unjust laws lead otherwise law abiding citizens to dis-obey those laws.  With each one ignored, it becomes easier and easier until the vast majority of citizens dis-obey the laws and have nother but disdain and hate for the laws and lawmakers. 

  • http://youtu.be/XEjnyMyJYTI Sam Fisher

    Sorry left criminals don’t follow laws and your idiotic guns laws will protect nothing but your own egos and smugness.

  • Anonymous

    The greatest threat to this country is the one sided-close minded Liberal

  • Anonymous

    Guns don’t kill people.    People kill people.    If guns killed people no one would walk out of a gun show alive !     The saddest truth in politics is that people get the leader they deserve.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1187127934 Sheila Simmons

    US  Constitution: Annotation 47 – Article I
    Clause 3.  No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed .
    http://constitution.findlaw.com/article1/annotation47.html

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/USXT52ESNXEHBMOK6736D6Y26A Gerry

    That is what’s called Expostfacto Law. Completely unconstitutional !!!

  • Anonymous

    They want to outlaw those magazines so Eric Holder can get Rich making and selling black market mags..

  • http://www.facebook.com/jon.galt.5454 Jon Galt

    NY is basically outlawing pistols with magazines, just by outlawing the mags.  Most pistol mags hold more 7 rounds.  Nearly every different pistol model has a different mag, and with thousands of different types, manufacturers are not going to make 7 round mags for the small NY market.  A year from now you will have to get rid of your magazines, making your gun nearly worthless – a single shot pistol, or you are in violation of the law.  I’m sure they will make 7 round mags for new models, but of all those semi-autos currently in possession, only a few of the most popular models will ever see a 7 round mag.

    I think the libs in charge actually want to have a lawless society.  How better to get there than to make illegal what has been legal our whole lives. 

  • Anonymous

    CONSTITUTION   —  IS THAT OLD PIECE OF PAPER STILL AROUND?     ……..   I THIUGHT OBAMA REPLACED THAT WITH HIS RULES BY NOW.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=713318354 Garret Gibson

     That, good sir, is the loss of Rule of Law. Rule of Law is the respect that citizens have for the laws. We obey them because they were created by elected officials and debated in a fair manner. But when the president circumvents the congress and starts changing laws which violates our rights, that is tyranny and the downfall of the Rule of Law!

  • Elena

    Defy!  Can the arrest half of New York?

    Then elect others to the state assembly who have some wisdom.

  • greywolfrs

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Anonymous

    I am getting to hate the Dems. They are irrational  Don’t any of them have jobs? Something to do except take our rights away?

  • Anonymous

    So instead of just whining about how awful the democrats are, and how much they are violating our Constitution rights, when are the people going to DO something?  Until the people DO something, the democrats will just keep trampling over our rights.

  • Anonymous

    Uhh, no.  Their job is to take your rights and your property away so they can keep their power.

  • Anonymous

    they are not undermining our constitution. im getting sick of people speaking without educating themselves first.  In order for them to go against the constitution they would have to outlaw ALL guns and remove them from the people. not only is that deadly is almost impossible at this point as there are as many if not more guns in this country then people all they are doing is making military grade weapons no longer attainable and limiting clip sizes for hand guns. Not outlawing the gun itself. Along with that they are making mental help more accessible, requiring back round checks which should be done anyways and providing federal funding to help raise security in our public schools…. none of which is unconstitutional.
     

  • KayDeeBeau

    except for those pesky last 4 words of the 2nd amendment….shall not be Infringed…..

    What is about leftists tha makes them unable to understand the whole wording of the Constitutions?

    Just like with the FFR crowd who like to ignore the last part of the religioun section of the first amendment ….or prohibit the free exercise…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FVCXOYDQPXFJWOGIRXAQOYRPM Brian

    Firstly, NY asks for this.  Secondly, I listened to Bloombergs obnoxious postulations and arrant nonsense and came away with a recurring feeling.  Facts have nothing to do with liberal thought processes.  Truth merely gets in the way.  All evidence to the contrary only makes them angry and defensive.  Was he actually in NYC when he spat out that litany of meaningless platitudes? Was he in one of the cities in America with the strictest gun laws already that shares the distinction with the others of being the most crimeridden and gun violence littered cities in America?  Does this not scream out irony much louder than he himself was screaming?  Doesn’t this matter?  Am I the only one who watches these bobbleheads and feels like the guy at the beginning of the movie Scanners?  ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you people of New York – stand up to your own dictator.  Lets see:  No baby formula in your hospitals forcing moms to breast feed, no 64 oz drinks and now an unconstiutional law about your 2nd ammendment.  You don’t mind standing up for your union rights – HELLO – TELL YOUR MAYOR TO TAKE A FLYING LEAP OFF THE NEAREST CLIFF! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Poirier/100001115054734 John Poirier

    Think of the ramifications if this is upheld.  If they can declare retroactively that your legally purchased gun is illegal, then what is next?  Your car?  Your house?  This opens the door to absolute chaos and absolute tyranny.  It negates the whole idea of Rule of Law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Poirier/100001115054734 John Poirier

     Actually, no, Rule of Law has nothing to do with whether or not citizens respect the law, although fair Rule of Law usually breeds respect for the law.  Rule of Law means People’s Law, a system of laws promulgated and consented to by the People through their representatives.  It is the opposite of Ruler’s Law, which is government by decree or edict by a Ruler or Governing Elite.  Obviously, what we are witnessing today is the usurpation of the People’s Law by Ruler’s Law.  The American Rule of Law has now been so eroded that it no longer exists.  We only have the tyranny of Ruler’s Law now, and it is destroying what was left of the Bill of Rights right before our eyes.  Ruler’s Law is often associated with unfairness, arbitrariness, and uncertainty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Poirier/100001115054734 John Poirier

     The idea that as long as there is one gun out there that the government hasn’t banned or confiscated, then the 2nd Amendment has not been violated; or that such laws are not unconstitutional, is flat out ridiculous.  I mean, galactically stupid nonsense.  Ol Blue (DemocRat) has not been keeping up with 2nd Amendment case law, otherwise he’d know that even something as incremental as handgun bans in certain cities have been ruled unconstitutional violations of the 2nd Amendment.

    Your premise is wrong too.  The 2nd Amendment is all about The People retaining a MILITARY CAPABILITY so that the government does not have a monopoly on violence.  So, YES, laws that ban military grade weapons actually do go against the very core of the 2nd Amendment.  It is a happy thought that our government thinks the military capability of the PEOPLE is so strong that they want to ban semi-autos.  It means that they really don’t think they can take the PEOPLE on in a civil war and The People’s military capability is acting as a check on their worst tyrannical impulses.  The unhappy fact is that the government clearly wants to reduce Our military capability.  We should be asking “WHY?”  What does this government have planned for us that they seek to disarm us first?

  • Omegaomni

     like republicans trying to over-regulate abortion clinics?  transvaginal probes to scare women, and insane regulations to close abortion clinics? 

    I agree this is idiotic law that needs to be struck down, but being a partisan hack, doesn’t help anyone.

    if cant smell your own crap, dont throw it.

  • Omegaomni

     Never waste a emergency eh?   Every terror attack republicans want to give the defense dept more money. Every time one sex offender reoffends, new unconstitutional laws, even though sex offenders have the lowest re-offend rate of all criminals.

    you’re a partisan hack

  • Omegaomni

     disobey the laws ? you mean like bradely manning?   would these be people be called rebels, insurgents, terrorists?    all your words come back to haunt you

  • landofaahs

    The Nazi’s had rules and laws about killing Jews. Would it have been just to disobey? Would those who hid Jews be rebels? UR an idiot.

  • landofaahs

    Who is bradley manning? It sounds like a ghetto thug to me. I have never heard of this person. Who is he/she and what have they accomplished.

  • landofaahs

    My system needs info. Are you from Chicago? My algo’s in the matrix are not perfected yet. I have you narrowed to 5 people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/larry.jones.56481 Larry Jones

     If the point of the 2nd amendment is to allow the public to be armed to keep the government in check, then if all the public can have are shotguns and lever action rifles, how is that fair? Maybe that’s not the point of the second amendment, but if it is, why shouldn’t we be allowed to have an AR15 with a 30 round mag. We will continue to kill each other until the end of time. We can’t stop it. Gun laws won’t stop it. Nothing will. We are basically animals.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/laurie.anderson.733 Laurie Anderson

     I am registered Republican, but as far as I am concerned, I don’t care whether your Dem or Rep, unconstitutional is unconstitutional PERIOD.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurie.anderson.733 Laurie Anderson

     I hate to say it John, but I can already see another civil war looming on the horizon.

  • antithetical radical

    I sincerely hope for the sake of the people of the State of New York that this ridiculous new set of regulations and restrictions is overturned. I have relatives who live in New York, and now I fear for their safety. Why? It’s simply that the people in charge of the government of that state are willing to impose nonsense laws on people that actually give deadly advantages to the criminal element that lives in their midst. Thanks to Mr. Cuomo’s irrationally emotional oratory all the criminals know that all they have to do is count to seven while hiding behind cover, and then they can simply kill their victims and do what ever they came to do. What disincentive to the criminals is this seven round limit on magazine capacity? Seven rounds is all you have between you and people who are bent on killing you. This is an unconscionable betrayal of public safety, and it will not accomplish anything in curbing gun crime, or make anyone who is downrange of a criminal with a gun safer – you can bet they won’t have magazines limited to seven rounds.

    I certainly hope that this law is taken to the Supreme Court of the United States of America and challenged. This kind of thing has gone on long enough. 

    Mister Cuomo, if you really cared about saving the children you would stop bowing to the progressive anti gun movement, and consider the following:

    Gun used in commission of a crime = 20 years no parole

    Victim shot by criminal committing a crime = another 20 years no parole

    Victim killed by criminal committing a crime = death penalty, fast tracked to be carried out within one year of the crime.

    It’s time to get serious about punishing the criminals and not the citizens who abide by the law. To do otherwise is nonsense.

  • antithetical radical

    Manning is the gay Army private who handed over all that classified information from his job in the Pentagon to the Wikileaks anarchists. He’s still waiting for his trial to begin for violating his top secret clearance and stealing classified documents. 

    He did it because he was mad about being discriminated against in the military due to don’t ask/don’t tell. He’s guilty as charged and deserves to rot in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. 

  • antithetical radical

    All YOUR words come back to haunt YOU… 

    ” Every time one sex offender reoffends, new unconstitutional laws, even though sex offenders have the lowest re-offend rate of all criminals.”

    Apparently you are a sex offender – this kind of information isn’t really on anyone else’s priority list.

  • antithetical radical

    Are you lost?  Here, when you make a claim, it needs to be substantiated with some kind of verifiable evidence. You’ve made some pretty ridiculous stands here without substantiation in every case. 

    Please enumerate the proof you have regarding abortion, etcetera. We would all like to see what/where you are getting this information from. 

  • Sandie

    There’s no accounting for illiterate trolls.

  • Todd Scheller

    Did you just crawl out of your cave? Manning has been in the news since his arrest in Iraq in May 2010. Are you such a simpleton that you could not use a search engine to find that out?
    Even Glenn Beck has talked about him: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/show/2010-12-17/

  • Sandie

     Tagged to wrong post.

  • Sandie

    Cuomo’s a bleeding heart liberal reactionary who always rides on the tails of the prevailing emotions. He probably wanted to be in theater when he was a kid – or be king.

  • Sandie

    Did you have a bad day or something? Really, Todd.

  • sparducks

     Calm down Todd. There are a lot of folks who may not be as nimble as you on the computer. Maybe your grandma or grandpa. Not everyone is under 30.

  • Todd Scheller

    Neither am I under 30, but thanks for proving how limited you are mentally.

  • landofaahs

    Is he related to Danny Manning the basketball player? Never heard of him. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. LOL What do you think I am CIA?

  • Todd Scheller

    Unless they are brothers from another mother, I highly doubt they are related.
    I am surprised you are even smart enough to spell CIA, I highly doubt you are smart enough to fill out the application for employment with that agency.

  • landofaahs

    How do you spell CIA?

  • sparducks

    Limited huh? At least my understanding towards my elders is more tuned than yours. Or maybe your just a mean bastard.

  • antithetical radical

    That speech was like a progressive Billy Sunday. The delivery was taken directly from either a tent revival preacher like Billy, or like the character De Niro played in Men of Honor (also named Billy Sunday after the revival evangelist from the early/mid 20th century.

    He had all the bombastic oratory and emotion wrapped up in his outrageous outpouring. I thought the entire thing was a disgusting display of ignorance and lunacy.

  • Todd Scheller

    There is no proof that anyone here is my elder, so yes you again demonstrate you mental limitation.

  • Anonymous

    One correction, if you read the summary of the new New York State law, you may keep 10 round magazines already in your possession – you just can’t put more than 7 rounds in them. New magazine purchases must not exceed a 7 round capacity.

  • sparducks

    I think I’m smart enough to figure out you’re just a mean bastard that calls everyone stupid. And I think you get all of your factoids from wikipedia. I’ll bet landofaaahs is over 60. And you are under 40 probably under 30 or at least you act it.

  • Todd Scheller

    Actually I am over 40, once again you demonstrate that you are not smarter than a fifth grader. Are you willing to lose that bet?
    Never like using wikipedia, I only use it for those that a mentally limited like you and have to read on that low a level. I have access to online databases for real research.

  • landofaahs

    Things like that used to be very much a concern of mine, but knowing that black ops and the disinfo. that is confusing even to those who live that life constantly, causes me to place those things lower on my list of priorities. If you are not in the inner-circle of such things, it’s too easy to be lead to the wrong conclusions. There are other things more important at the moment. If you can’t see that then sir, you are the one living under a rock. If you care so much about the truth of it, join the CIA and work up the ranks and some day you may be privy to such info. to assuage your angst of not knowing everything you need. A person with your intellect should have no problem in excelling to the top.

  • Todd Scheller

    I have already served my country. That does not mean that I cannot keep informed of current events, even if I do not work for the CIA. unlike you I prefer to to go through life being blissfully IGNORANT.

  • landofaahs

    And I thank you for that service. I do not choose to be blissfully ignorant, but I do choose to be informed with the truth. The truth is a rare commodity these days, especially when it comes to matters of the govt. For instance, you do not know if this Manning fellow is a false flag or that person could even be working for the CIA himself in order to accomplish a different objective. I don’t fault you for wanting to know these things, I would like to know them too, but I’ve been around enough to know that it is a rare thing for any truth to come out of the govt., especially if a commission ahs been formed to find the truth. God Bless You and your family. Thanks again for service to your country.

  • Todd Scheller

    Yeah, and I am sure that will be his defense at his Court Martial, the CIA made him do it. Seek real mental help.

  • landofaahs

    Let justice be done. Seek the truth. We are all responsible for our own actions. What is wrong with my position?

  • Todd Scheller

    You have not taken a position, you have no idea who the perpetrator is, you know nothing about the case. Yet, you have no issue making far fetched conspiracy theories about the case.
    What more could be wrong with your position?

  • sparducks

    What you really need is access to a real woman instead of your online databases. ’cause celebecy has turned you into a f@#$ing asshole that picks on old men. have a drink and kill that bug you inserted in your own ass. You’ve posted over 12,000 times on various sites an the majority of it is calling someone an idiot, moron, stupid. this is your life. this is your hobby. Hang it up for a while and get laid. Crank.

  • Todd Scheller

    So the real women sleeping in my bed, commonly referred to as my wife would mean what? You just proved, you are “stupid, and and idiot”. I do not need to consume alcohol because you don’t agree with me.
    What other lies do you have for us?

  • sparducks

    Well go take care of her needs and quit being an asshole to old men. 12000 comments. you two aren’t f@#$ing enough.

  • Todd Scheller

    You have not idea how much I am getting. Nor is my sex life any of your business. So please stay out of my bedroom. If the government has no place in it you definitely don’t. 12,000 posts over several years, yes. Whats your point?
    Why are you not with some nubile young thing then?

  • sparducks

    yeah right

  • landofaahs

    You are correct. I take no position. I don’t assume anything except that the Federal Govt. will say asnything, do anything, kill anyone, and generally do anything to perpetuate it’s power and control.
    I tried to be cordial, but you have refused. Should you continue your consternation, I shall defend myself and my position no matter what your service to your country has been. I wish to be amicable even in our …disagreement. I would like to leave it at that. It is up to you Todd.

  • Todd Scheller

    So you will defend a position that you did not take to begin with? You make no sense what so ever, keep your idiotic conspiracy theories coming.

  • sparducks

    I know this; my wife snarls at me every time I get on the computer. She’s hot. Your wife must be a fat ugly pig if she lets you jerk off on the computer as much as you do. You’re a miserable bastard. It’s apparent by the way you talk to every one. I could see callin names i do it all the time. but you are quite a bit overboard. It’s good we met. You are exactly what I don’t wanna be. So either your wife is a blind deaf mute, or so incredibly insecure that she would put up with your shit. I had to sneak away just to respond. and if my wife catches me there is gonna be hell to pay. have fun on your porno sites. punk

  • Todd Scheller

    The same could be said about all your asinine comments.

  • Todd Scheller

    Does your wife snarl when you find here porn page too?

  • landofaahs

    And what idiotic conspiracy theory are you talking about?

  • landofaahs

    Peace upon You. I have no desire to be groped in the DC airport with all of the rest.

  • Todd Scheller

    Then don’t fly. This in no way makes a logical addition to the conversation. Which appears to be normal for you.

  • Todd Scheller

    The one you keep bringing up in this thread, does it escape your little mind so easily?

  • landofaahs

    You did not answer my question. What conspiracy theory did I propose that you disageed with? If you are talking about obama’s college records, you are sunk because we do not know his grades, classes took and method of payment for his classes. I wait for BS. LOL

  • landofaahs

    That is a wonderful idea. A boycott of the airways by your suggestion. I like it and I will forward it to everyone I know that it is your recommendation DC Todd Scheller.

  • landofaahs

    Thank You so much. You have contributed greatly to my matirx algo program..Todd of Delaware Lerner College Of Business. ))))))

  • Todd Scheller

    Except that is not me, but nice try. LMAO Never lived in Delaware.

  • Todd Scheller

    If you don’t want groped at the airport, then don’t fly.

  • Todd Scheller

    Never seen you discuss Obama’s grades so not sure what you position is on it. I have yet to see you take an understandable position other than the Government always lies, kills and steals, so you tell me genius what conspiracy theory I might actually be talking about?

  • landofaahs

    Perhaps. But thanks for the info, I am computing always…Me thinks you may be a lyin’.

  • Todd Scheller

    Me knows you can’t prove it. I am twice as old as that Individual. So once again what part of that is not me do you not get? I do have a linkedin page, but that is not mine, nor do I have a Twitter account. Nor did I have an issue finding me using Google.

  • landofaahs

    You have not told me what conspiracy theory I hold that vexes you so.

  • Todd Scheller

    Yes, I did, you just need to learn how to read.

  • landofaahs

    And here we have Obama’s raising of the payrolll tax on the poor people who were stupid enough to vote for him. It’s really great. Big business passes on to the consumers the taxes they pay. Don’t you poor people feel better knowing you increased thaxes on the tich who only extract it from you? LOL LOL

  • landofaahs

    Oh now, don’t tell me that you were one of those Bush conspiratorialists who thought we fooled into war by the ever intellectual George Bush. We know his grades in school. Do we know the O’s piss poor grqades? LOL

  • landofaahs

    Please tell me what obama’s grades in Harvard were please. Do you know? C’mon, what is the problem with telling us what his transcripts are? We all know what George Bush’s records are, why dont we see all of the precious manchild odumbasses records are? LOL

  • sparducks

    Your sow awaits you.

  • landofaahs

    Yes,todd. Where was obama baptized? You know, those things Christians do. I’m waiting for all of this openess little B Hussein odumbass has promised. Where is it? Come on little “Tin eared” obama…He’s a Trojan Horse but a dumb ass one. Obeama is an intellectual lightweight, but a deft LIAR,

  • Todd Scheller

    So now you want to go back to the birther argument? What the hell does where he was baptized have to do with anything? Where were you baptized?
    Your waiting for openness after he sealed his records his first day in office? You really are stupid.

  • Todd Scheller

    Your duck awaits, you are losing this sparing match.

  • Todd Scheller

    I do not care about either of their grades. They were both apparently smarter than you they got elected President.
    George H.W. Bush Graduated from Yale.
    George W. Bush Graduated from Yale and Harvard Business School with an MBA.
    What were your grades?

  • landofaahs

    No you little terd. I want to see all of his transcripts and records in college. He claims to be a Christian, I just would like to know what chuch he was baptized in. I just want openess. Let the sun shine so we can see how good or bad his claims are.
    But I guess people always seal records that would help them. LOL LOL LOL You retard

  • landofaahs

    Well, I do care, especially after you already had the Bush records exposed.
    I’m not President or running for president so my grades do not count. I want to know OBAMAS records, He needs tobe vetted. Not me. By the way youreterdobamaman, what were your grades?

  • landofaahs

    What were my grades? MONEY and lots of it. TOP 1 %. How about you little terd?

  • Todd Scheller

    Now I know your lying with your writing skills. I hold a BS and a MS, and working on a DM so my grades were always good.

  • Todd Scheller

    I had nothing to do with exposing Bush’s grades, but you keep thinking I have that power all you want. If your grades don’t matter why do mine? I am not running for President either.
    Which part of right after taking the oath of Office Obama sealed his records and every other Presidents that follows him by Executive Order do you not get?
    Do you also need to see his long from Birth Certificate?

  • Todd Scheller

    No one cares what you want moron. Get it through your head, right or wrong his records are sealed until another President repeals his executive order.

  • landofaahs

    They don’t matter to me but they do to others. Obama should be held to the same scrutiny every other president gets. I don’t need his birth certificate but I would like to know if he declared foreign citizenship to get into college. Would it bother you if he had?

  • landofaahs

    Courts can unseal records if a crime is committed. That may be the venue in the future.

  • landofaahs

    Basket weaving?

  • Sandie

     You might want to edit this comment again.

  • sparducks

    busy

  • Omegaomni

     hahahaha you didn’t even comprehend what I said.  You just backed up my point, and completely made yourself look like a idiot. You wingnuts use the words terrorist, insurgent for people you disagree with, but when you talk about disobeying the law, you are all of sudden freedom fighters. STFU

  • Omegaomni

     You have not countered my point, but simply made an ad hominem attack    judging by your name: you think you are intellectual, just another poorly educated schmuk. Keep attacking me and ignore my point

  • Omegaomni

    He accomplished more than your fictional savior

  • antithetical radical

    You assume much for a troll. You assume I owe you some kind of answer when you have only insulted your own intellect by looking down your nose at me. You don’t know anything about me and are a poor judge of character. You have no point, and are clueless. What is there that you contribute besides being absolutely wrong?

  • sparducks

    I don’t think so Todd. You got a faggy sort of name. I’ll bet you and friends enjoy a good ‘ol daisy chain now and then right?