Drone strikes: Murder, mob hit, or “ethical” “wise” execution?

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You know those constitutionally protected rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Apparently the White House has some pretty loose rules on how to take those away without due process. But don’t worry, the White House has promised the drone strikes are wise and ethical. Glenn wasn’t so sure and reacted to the story on radio this morning.

“This is so much worse than wiretaps,” Glenn said. “I don’t want the President of the United States to fly a drone over and kill us.  You know, let’s just say this: If the President of the United States says that they can fly a drone over anywhere, and fly it, because the President deems that this person is trouble – can China fly a drone over the United States and kill somebody here in the United States that they say is a danger? ”

Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters, “This president takes his responsibilities very seriously…And first and foremost that’s his responsibility to protect the United States and American citizens.”

Carney said The President “takes his responsibility in conducting the war against al-Qaeda as authorized by Congress in a way that is fully consistent with our Constitution and all the applicable laws.”

“These strikes are legal. They are ethical and they are wise. The U.S. government takes great care in deciding to pursue an al-Qaeda terrorist to insure precision and to avoid loss of innocent life,” Carney added.

Glenn didn’t buy Jay Carney’s explanation, and noted that if President Bush was in office the liberals would be up in arms over the violation of rights.

“I don’t remember the execution part of the Constitution where the President or some informed officials can just sign off on the execution of an American citizen without any judicial review. None. Zero. Where is that in the Constitution?” he said.

Glenn said his biggest concern with this story was the loose definition in the memo legally justifying the drone strikes and outlining the criteria for how they are used. Because the War on Terror creates a very different kind of battlefield than traditional wars, the memo gives broad power to unnamed high-ranking officials to determine who can be targeted and where the battlefield is. For example, the American terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki was eating breakfast in Yemen when he was killed by a drone strike.

“How far out of touch are we? How lost is our Constitution? How lost is our country when we’re not even debating it? And people are saying we don’t even need debates,” Glenn said.

  • landofaahs

    Hiding from a distance and hit ‘em like a sniper.  As long as congress declares a war in the foreign country where the drones are operating in, I have no problem with in a legal sense although the moral sense is in question.  Killing citizens in a non war-zone is grounds for impeachment and a violation of his oath of office.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    To use drone strikes upon our enemies in a wartime situation is one thing; to use the drones to assassinate US Citizens who have not even had their renouncing of citizenship confirmed before a judge is pure murder in the first degree.

    We have, as citizens, the right to due process and Obama with his hit list and assassination has broken the Constitution, broken all ethical and moral restraints, and shown he cares not one bit for anyone of the United States.

    With drone strikes he has opened the door for them to be used upon US Citizens for the foggiest of reasons. The interpretation of his order is deliberately vague so to encompass any perceived crime or suspicion as grounds for assassination.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Land, in the case of a declared war, and used against our enemies that is one thing, but as you state, killing of citizens is grounds for impeachment and I further add it is grounds for Obama and all involved to be charged with murder.

    The hypocrisy of the left is manifest in which they say nothing of Obama’s actions, yet they howled at former President Bush. This silence means the democrats are as culpable as Obama in the end.

  • http://youtu.be/xm1F7ub00gk Sam Fisher

    I would not care if it was not for the fact that people
    working for Obama called anyone they disagreed with a terrorist. This law can
    and will be targeting us if the left have their way. It just one small step for
    their agenda. 

  • SoThere

    Thou shalt not speak ill of the Savior Obama!

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.schmitz.54 Chuck Schmitz

    This is a new type of warfare that we are involved in. We are not fighting a nation-state but a group that claims to fighting in the name of a religion that does not recognize borders. These so-called Americans fighting against our troops or plotting to kill others in the name of Allah are no longer citizens as far as I”m concerned. they wouldn’t think twice about killing you. Drone strike or sniper, kill them.

  • Anonymous

    So like, when US citizens joined the Waffen SS during World War II, we were supposed to like, stop the Battle of the Bulge and give them a trial of some sort? What a bunch of idiocy being spouted by Beck. The President’s first and foremost duty is to protect and defend the United States. If you are outside US borders, and are working with the enemy, you get to die.

  • Anonymous

    Hey landofaahs, Sniper is an honorable military occupational specialty and I take offence at your statement. Obama isn’t at war with the American people, at least he hasn’t declared it and that’s what makes his action so heinous.

  • Anonymous

    And of course, if one actually reads what is being stated by Obama, that is exactly what he is saying.

  • Anonymous

    I actually never had any problem with Bush doing anything of the sort, if any US citizen is working with our enemies, they come under the jurisdiction of the Dept of Defense, not the courts. Any president has this right. It goes back to Washington himself. This is just more ginned up outrage to get you right wingers clutching your pearls and hiking up your panties again.

  • Anonymous

    What a pile of paranoid crap.

  • longliveUSA

    What a bunch of BS Beck is spewing. It’s al Qaeda they are blowing up. If one of them is a treasonous American citizen, then screw him. He deserves to die.

  • Anonymous

    Bexk says:
    “I don’t remember the execution part of the Constitution where the President or some informed officials can just sign off on the execution of an American citizen without any judicial review. None. Zero. Where is that in the Constitution?” he said.

    It’s in the part where the President is made like, the Commander in Chief, you know, the guy who has to respond quickly to any outside threat to the security of the United States. You are claiming that if some dude born in the US is helping to build a bomb headed for New York out there in Pakistan some place, that he’s supposed to have Constitutional rights of some sort. Sorry, Glenn, courts have held over and over again that the President’s duty to protect and defend the US overrides any constitutional protections once you have become an enemy combatant. Fine with me, I hope he kills them all. All traitors should die. Secessionists, terrorists, all enemies of the US, a tradition going back to the Civil War….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QP72SUC6JHQPVP2SVPQYCKJMUU USA4Ever

    Obama is a narcisstic sycophant wannbe ‘dick -tater’! No one is questioning  killing the enemy on the battlefield, but like most of the lower end of the gene pool and Obama Lap Dogs, VIOLATING the fourth, fifth and fourteenth amendments to the Constitution is an Impeachable offense.As a AMERICAN citizen you are entitled to TRIALby jury, numb nuts. But I forgot, Obama wants to be “Judge, Jury and Executioner”! IF you had read his “order’, the drone kill zone can be ANYWHERE. And NO evidence is needed of the “alleged terrorist sympathizer activities.

     Ibet YOU were mad as heel when Bush only waternboarded those Towelhead bastards Obama loves so much; like the media Lap Dogs, Hypocrite!.

  • Anonymous

    When a Liberal state refuses drones it must be noticed, seeing as how the only point of views accepted by the media is liberal

  • Anonymous

    KILL IS OBAMA’S MIDDLE NAME    000    —  NO RELATION TO ADOLF HITLER    –  GOD REST HIS DEAR SOUL.

  • Guest

    “Why isn’t the drone memo the top story on every news outlet?”

    Earth calling Beck: IT IS!  God, Beck is one sleeping dude for someone who thinks that he’s “waking people up.”

    Plus, Beck was thrilled when the US killed al Awaki, remember?

    Now he’s against it?!?!  I swear to god, this guy’s memory is f$%king shot!

  • Anonymous

    Beck’s talking out his ass! I documented  Beck’s reaction to the killing of al Awaki.

  • Guest

    “I don’t remember the execution part of the Constitution where the President or some informed officials can just sign off on the execution of an American citizen without any judicial review. None. Zero. Where is that in the Constitution?” Beck said.

    So why did  Beck embrace the killing of al Awaki when it happended?

    Remember reading this?

    “Anyway, remember the underwear bomber, the Fort Hood shooting, the inspiration behind these terrorist attacks is dead. Dingdong, the witch is dead. Anwar al-Awlaki is dead.”

    Beck was against extra-judicial killings before he embraced one, and now he’s against them again?  This guy has the principles of a f$%king snake!

    Don’t any of his adoring fans notice this?

  • Anonymous

    critten, Since you are obviously leftwing, you must just like to stir the pot. Obama has proven to many times that what he says and what he does are two very different things. I have found that a little paranoia can be very helpful sometimes.

  • Anonymous

    Gadamer_too
    Never, ever, ever changed your mind about something! You must be perfect.

  • Guest

    You either have principles, constitutional principles in this case, or you’re Glenn Beck, a fraud who’s brilliant at separating rubes from their money.

  • SoThere

    Vicky’s an idiot and Beck hater with a bugsite. Click on his links if you dare.

  • Anonymous

    So sorry I was wrong.  Not perfect, just a comedian.

  • SoThere

    Vicky’s an idiot and Beck hater with a bugsite. Click on his links if you dare.

  • SoThere

    Vicky’s an idiot and Beck hater with a bugsite. Click on his links if you dare. He’s a hatemonger, been one for years.

  • SoThere

    Vicky’s an idiot and Beck hater with a bugsite. Click on his links if you dare.  He’s a libtard who loves to spread his lies through his bugsite.  He’ll even threaten you with calling the FBI on you if you post as I am doing.
    He’s a leftist OWS moron.

  • SoThere

    No, but if they are not killed in battle and captured they get a trial for treason and then shot.

    It’s nice that you’re living in the past, we now target American Citizens and then assassinate them from the air with no warning or trial.  It’s an Obama thing.

  • SoThere

    “I actually never had any problem with Bush doing anything of the sort,”

    You say that now but I seem to remember you yelling and screaming about Bush and the patriot Act!

  • Canadianlady

    AWESOME!

  • Anonymous

    Lighten up folks. Carney clearly said that these strikes are legal, moral and can be done by the Nobel Prize winner. When an American citizen turns on his own country doesn’t he become a target? When you have some deranged American threatening other citizens, do police not have the right to shoot and kill him? Even when it’s on American soil! There are American citizens, by convenience, who turn against their own country, and I don’t see giving them a pass until they do battle in courts. Turning against your country is treason itself, without a trial.

  • SoThere

    The problem comes with who decides you’re committing treason!  Get the point?

  • Anonymous

    A lethal operation conducted against a U.S. citizen whose conduct poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States would be a legitimate act of national self-defense, you idiot. You don’t get a trial. I can’t believe you people are that stupid.  And if you swore that oath, what are you doing on this website, where they advocate secession, which directly contradicts that oath?

  • SoThere

    The problem comes with who decides you’re committing treason!  Get the point?
    Was al Awaki’s 16 year old son committing treason or was he just an innocent bystander living with his father? He was also an American Citizen!
    You just don’t get it but then again, cultists will defend anything these days.

  • http://twitter.com/CuresCancer Kelley Eidem

    Repeat after me: Torture bad. Vaporizing good.

    PS. The conversation on this keeps bringing up drones. But the AG paper discusses killing, not the method. Any method of killing might be acceptable to the Usurper just as any place might also be acceptable. IOW, expect the list to expand wider and wider. Will we know when someone has been Breitbarted? Sorry, it’s a secret.

  • Sandie

    He sure is…. both a Beckhater with a bugsite and a leftist OWS moron.

  • peabody

     You should spell that cretin you baleful moron. Idiot read the constitution! Oh you can’t read because your indoctrinated not educated! Take your government check and wipe your ares with it you’ll soon find out it’s worthless just like 19th 30rds Germany . What a putz.

  • http://www.facebook.com/martha.l.vincent Martha Lee Vincent

    I’m sorry, but I don’t believe a word obama says.  He lies everytime he opens his mouth and we all know that, so how can we really believe what he says.    He assures us that he will not use drones on citizens here, and the next day someone here has been killed by a drone.  He’s totally unbelieveable

  • http://www.facebook.com/martha.l.vincent Martha Lee Vincent

    Thank you Canadian lady, you just reinforced what most of feel.  Thank you.  I love Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BKUXSO32JWW7YYHDIIRAFYTQ6E John Law

    Absolutely right critten.  On the battlefield in enemy uniform they become legitimate targets.  That’s not what this “memo” is saying.  An “unnamed” and “high-ranking” government official gets to make the decision to kill, murder, or execute.  The official hasn’t yet been delegated beyond the president, yet.

    This memo can be loosely interpreted to mean Americans within the borders of US territory, including possessions; and possibly in other countries. Too much power in one man’s hands and it has become a Constitutional Issue to be resolved by the US Supreme Court.  The court had better decide for the Constitution instead of obama’s wants! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/martha.l.vincent Martha Lee Vincent

    You forgot, Obama has NO morals, and frequently violates his oath of office.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BKUXSO32JWW7YYHDIIRAFYTQ6E John Law

    Obama also had to actually say the word “preserve” as well.  That means keep it as is.  The takers, the uneducated, the power mad hangars-on don’t really understand that as soon as they become irrelevant they will go to the camps, showers, and ovens very quickly.

    To be used as COMPOST so you will become useful to the country. 

  • SoThere

    WOW, someone actually gets it.  Right on John, right on!

  • greywolfrs

    The point you seem to be missing is the LAW. Our laws say that US citizens have a right to due process and people are innocent until proven guilty, IN A COURT OF LAW. What Carney is saying is that Obamao will decide who is innocent and guilty, then dispatch drones to get rid of anyone who HE deems guilty.

    Sorry, but your analogy about the cops is incorrect. The cops do not have the right to shoot anyone, at any time. In fact, they have very specific guide lines for the use of their guns. They can easily be held accountable for an “illegal shooting.”

  • greywolfrs

    You are a complete idiot. The president has no right to deny Due Process to anyone. People are innocent until proven guilty, IN A COURT OF LAW. Moron.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, being killed on the battle field is different than sending in a drone to kill someone. I don’t expect you to see the difference, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carla.b.mccarron Carla Bauerlien McCarron

     what happened to the miranda rights that obama decided that should be read to terrorists whether hear or over there..they idiots all away around

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoria.delacy Victoria DeLacy

    I have never seen such a totaly murderous Occupant of the Oval Office in my half century of life, from overturning the Mexico City Policy forcing us to pay for baby murder by abortion overseas to forcing Obamacare down our collective throat against the expressed wishes of filly 75% of We the People to adding women to the front lines of battle and demoralizing our troops by overturning the don’t ask/don’t tell policy and everything in between…and now he directs our troops to fire on American citizens which is against our Constitutional protections to boot.    At what point do our other two branches of government rediscover their collective spinal column and declare ENOUGH?  Let’s hope and pray the military is successful in getting a tribunal going to take him out of office over the Benghazi treason!

  • Anonymous

    When we surrender our liberty, to gain security, we lose both and deserve neither.

    I agree, if this was bush, the media would be up in arms. It’s the way politics and the media work in America now. It’s no longer on an issue to issue basis, it’s about our side and your side and holding the line no matter the cost.  I won’t play that game, just like as a conservative, I will not carry the water for those progressive wanna-be conservatives like bush. He was a horrible president and really set the stage for what obummer has been doing. Personally, I think they are all working towards the same goal.  Yep, I’m a new-world-order-conspiracy guy.  I’m also a Bible believing guy that can see plain as day that reading the book of Revelation, is no different than watching the news.  It’s getting close to the end folks.

  • Anonymous

    Apparentally debates are not worthy to have anymore.Its our way or the highway.Unbelievable.So many double standards this country does not look like America.I’m not sure they know what they are doing in Washington.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EEMMVH6ZESNQTTYSNWHBJEPTEI JoshA

    Thank you, that was one of the best reply’s I have ever read.  And thanks again for your service.

  • antithetical radical

    That’s for sure. Anyone who wants to punish his enemies and says so on the campaign trail like the pResident said to La Raza last year is getting too big for his britches.

  • antithetical radical

    Yep. He’s also a cowardly liar who thinks people don’t see him under that Guest costume.

  • Anonymous

    So, if some “unnamed, high ranking, gov’t official” finds out some guy is having an affair with his wife, he can order a drone to drown the guy out, right?  Since you can’t defend yourself….see where this can go?  Or do a “favor” for a high ranking friend that has a personal enemy.  Who will be the “wiser” if there are no checks and balances.   

  • sixholdens

    Stop the battle so I can have a trial to answer the question “Am I a traitor to my country or is my very presence in the middle of the enemy on the battle field during a battle proof enough of my position?”

    HUH? Some really badly informed people out there. When you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and that hand is so full of cookies that you can not withdraw it from the cookie jar, you are GUILTY of, if not stealing, hogging the cookies.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KHKRQMMR7USLM5S3EVEISL5TKY a

    No one is highlighting The Patriot Act from which this use of Drone elimination stems!  John McCain promoted and signed for the Patriot Act to be enforced.  In the Patriot Act it is stated any American citizen who has been deemed a threat to the nation; ie, terrorist, (   if only their objection to the government was expressing their objection publicly  like these comments ) can be picked up, arrested, imprisoned for unspecified length of time, without any warrant and locked away for as long as the administration dictates.  This act is the most diabolical, dangerous threat ever placed upon American citizens.  Until the public understands and becomes aware of what has already been put in place, under Geo. W. Bush’s reign, we have just begun to lose our freedom.  WAKE UP!

  • Sandie

    Gerald Ford banned political assassinations (EO 11905), and    Jimmy Carter further banned indirect U.S. involvement in assassinations (EO 12036) . This was relaxed somewhat in 1998 I think, but isn’t it strange that we can’t assassinate foreign leaders we are at war with, but we can assassinate our own citizens? .

  • Canadianlady

    :D

  • Anonymous

    Bush signed the Patriot Act which changed everything. Obama using drones, skip the torture, that’s immoral, we’ll just smoke’em !

  • Anonymous

    Why didn’t they use a few DRONES IN BENGHAZI? That would’ve saved some innocent lives and would’ve been “ethical” and “wise,” wouldn’t it?

  • landofaahs

    No it is not. He has used drone strikes in Libya, Somalia and Yemen and probably others we have not heard of. This bombing other countries without Congressional approval is an act of war. He has overstepped his authority and should be tried for wart crimes, found guilty and hanged.

  • greywolfrs

    Actually, that is incorrect, the NDAA is the legislation that allows them to pick up and detain people, without Due Process. The Patriot Act started it with illegal wire taps without a judge signing a warrant.

  • Anonymous

    Very well said! Especially enjoyed the part about “narcisstic sycophant wannbe ‘dick -tater’”… (Conjures up quite an image–and makes you NOT want TATER-TOTS for dinner.)

  • landofaahs

    Be offended then. Tell me how much honor is in hiding and waiting to off someone. Please don’t tell me he never made a mistaken I.D. aty that raange. Please don’t tell me that no collateral damge ever happened. To say that would be less than honorable.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey, it’s matt “the moron” driscoll, why are you still hiding? Did you really think no one would know it is you? Dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    Really? What “battle” was happening when Obamao ordered a drone to kill al-Awaki and his son? The answer: none. Obamao could easily have sent in SEALS to grab both of them. Nevermind that though, that doesn’t fit into your stupidity.

  • landofaahs

    How true. You know, people are so stupid that they don’t understand these drones are hand sized and technology will be so widespread so quickly that any person can be attacked by a terrorist with a drone laden with explosives. As Ron Paul said. Live by the sword and you die by the sword. Technology without the proper morals to contain it’s use becomes a fire.

  • sixholdens

    Your “idea” of a battle is outdated. In a modern day war the battles are sometimes as small as one missile, remotely or not, controlled until impact upon one building or location. The current “war” is full of many small battles. The alternative is not something you or I would want. As in massive armies swarming across the land destroying everything in its path, killing thousands of civilians and soldiers weekly if not daily. There would be no compassion shown for civilians other than the basic avoid them if possible, warn them to get out of the way if prudent, other than that, consider them hostile and as future assets for the enemy.

    I would rather our forces sent a missile to each and every known or suspected safe-house on a regular basis than to carpet bomb hundreds of square miles of enemy territory on a regular basis.

    Pick your poison. 

  • Anonymous

    critten,

    You are a liberal moron, like the rest of the far left.

    What is Obama doing about the real threats in the world? Iran
    almost has nuclear weapons and stealth aircraft. What is Obama doing about
    that? Or China?
    Or the spread of terrorism around the world? Terrorist factions are taking
    control of the middle-east, Africa, and many other
    places around the world.

    Obama’s answer to stem the tide of enemy threat, including
    nuclear, is to pander to them, provide arms to them, lower the value of the dollar, borrow, print and spend trillions
    of dollars [throwing it away to his friends, and any other way he can waste it], instead of strengthening our military,
    maintaining our own nuclear weapons, and so on.

    It is my opinion that if an American becomes part of an
    enemy organization outside of American domain, then he or she can be a target -
    if he or she is currently active and with training camps, in the field and
    performing terrorist acts, or in the company of and actively working with terrorist leadership.

    The problem with Obama’s document is that it can later be
    used to kill Americans anywhere for any “suspected” reason by a
    hidden or other member of government.

  • sixholdens

    Cops do have the right to shoot to kill if a person is threatening other people or the cops. No due process required.

    As for missile attacks killing American citizens on foreign soil where we are in the midst of military operations or wars or police actions or whatever you want to call it. They are considered friendly fire casualties OR if they were there NOT as a part of the military operation and NOT as a part of international aid operations they are there at their own risk. THEIR OWN RISK. They have taken it upon themselves to guarantee their own safety. Even at 16 years old. 

    This kid was there “supposedly” for innocent reasons but considering his fathers traitorous actions, he is suspect. Remember, in war 16 is sometimes old and if you think those “people” over there won’t use 16, 14, 12 or even younger to do their dirty work, you are naive.

    It is tragic that he was killed at such a young age but like the article said, his father should have been more responsible.

  • greywolfrs

    You need to look up the definition of a “battle.” As I stated before, Obamao could have easily sent some SEALS to grab al-Awaki and his son. Those guys held US citizenship and had a right to Due Process. They had a right to face their accuser. They had a right to their day in court. It would have been just as easy to “pick them up.” Just sending in drones because the government claims they are terrorists isn’t good enough. That’s not the way this country operates and it goes against the Constitution and the rights of US citizens. All the rest of your rhetoric is meaningless. If we do not follow our own laws, how can we stand on the higher ground? This is a very slippery slope and leads to things like the NDAA, which anyone who voted for or signed should be tried for treason. The same goes for the Patriot Act.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=588195277 John Kolak

    This should be a military matter, not political. Military planners should target enemy operations without regard to who the personalities are. If one happens to be captured, he can be tried for treason. When we fought the Nazis, we didn’t ask them if they had any American citizens in the ranks before we attacked.

  • sixholdens

    They gave up their right to due process when they plotted and provided aid to a known enemy. Maybe you should study up on the laws regarding traitorous actions against the US.

    As for the definition of battle, I think I have a good enough grasp of it. Declared enemy, friendly forces, conflict, resolution. Done deal.

    The idea is “not” to expends a Seal Team or even put one at risk if other means can be utilized. You seem to think those guys grow on trees and we have thousands of them to employ picking up stray US citizens who have declared themselves our enemies. We don’t. The loss of ONE man impairs a Seal Team until he can be replaced and integrated into the team, what you think of as a simple drive in and pick up a couple of people is a many weeks long training exercise and then they go do the job. Your use of them is like they are nothing but small arms weapons that can be replaced at a moments notice and shows a definite lack of knowledge of what you speak.

    Step outside the US borders and then see who’s laws you fall under. AS A COURTESY the US will attempt to retrieve you from another country’s legal system. It is not a right you have to be rescued from abroad and if you violate US law over there, better hope it is not one that labels you a traitor to the US.

    Like I said, they surrendered their right to due process under US law when they left the country to aid the enemy.

    As for the Patriot Act I think it is the worst piece of US Citizen Rights stealing every put on paper. I don’t support it nor do I think it was legal when implemented. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geary-Morales/653997658 Geary Morales

    Mmm… Drone strikes, let’s analyze this one… arbitrary attacks on U.S. citizens without due process (aka habeus corpus)… sounds like BHO is practicing NDAA internationally first, as a precursor on what he intends to do to citizens here on U.S. soil.  What say you?

  • sixholdens

    And if bleeding hearts who don’t understand the law regarding traitors to our country would get off their high horses and open their eyes to the FACT that anyone targeted as a terrorist and who is also a US citizen, is a traitor AND in the enemies camp, is fair game for being a target would let of of the “They didn’t get Due Process” lament  we might get on with something new.

  • sixholdens

    Read my post of a minute ago.

    As for attacks on US soil. Even Obama isn’t that stupid. He’ll send the ATF first.

  • Anonymous

    The CDC better come up with a vaccine pretty fast……..because this country is infected with Obama-MMvirus!!! This is a Mind Melting virus–hence the MM!

  • silentnomore

    I don’t have a problem taking out terrorists over there instead of waiting for “them” to get here. My problem is with the hipocracy to which Obama & crew operate…flip-flopping on issues as they deem necessary to further their agenda. Where is the ACLU, UN, human rights organizations in regards to the government’s estimation of up to 3,000 additional individuals killed while taking the intended targets out? If you are an  American at an enemy training facility, encampment, then you are a “legit’ target. My other concern is that once the “drone door” is opened, that same technology can be expected to be used on American targets here or there in the future. How many drones have been “lost” to enemy fire etc. where the technology can be exploited by the enemy. I’m remembering something about “your enemy deciding to what level you must go in order to defeat them”..
    Thank you to all commenters that have served this country! 

  • http://youtu.be/xm1F7ub00gk Sam Fisher
  • Guest

    Before Beck was against the murder of Americans, he was for the murder of Americans.

    Before Beck was for the murder of Americans, he was against the murder of Americans.

    This, clearly, is a matter of constitutional principles, so when Beck claims that he’s a “values and principles guy,” it’s just another one of his many lies.

  • Anonymous

    I agree you know he has a hit list already.  If they get away with this and start the killing then it will only be a short time until they turn it on us.  Get rid of all the fat, lazy, Obama haters, and everyone else who does not confirm to they way.  Isn’t is amazing how Obama is ushering in the end times.  Wow, you can just see it unfolding right before your eyes.  Come quickly Lord Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    Critten…I see your point, but you’re not comparing apples to apples.  You don’t stop a battle to weed out Americans from non.  But you also don’t send a missile into a home that you THINK has a “bad guy” in it…especially when you KNOW it may be an American citizen.  If someone is in a physical altercation with the military, regardless of citizenship, then they are fair game in self defense.  If you THINK some dude is hanging out in a house…with with his innocent son and his buddy…you don’t just level the house because of what you THINK.  That WAS the beauty of the Constitution.  You were considered innocent until proven guilty.  Now it’s the other way around.

    As for Glenn Beck…HAHAHAHAHA!!!  Yet again his deep and philosophical understanding of his Libertarian principles (please note sarcasm) has lead him to say over and over, “I don’t care what happened to that scumbag”, or something to that affect, over and over.  Yeah, very “Libertarian” of you. Please stop claiming this GB.  You are a guy who’s torn between a mediocre understanding of Liberty and the Constitution, but conflicted due to religious doctrine you subscribe too. Your “principles” that you always talk about are conflicting because of this and it makes you a hypocrite at times. I’m not saying GB is a bad guy or has bad intentions, but it appears this paradigm for him causes conflict.

    Next step on the slippery slope…send drone strikes into “potential domestic terrorists” homes…possibly your cute little house on the corner of Main and Center…because they THINK that you are a threat to the empire…I mean government…I mean America and it’s value.  

  • sixholdens

    Landofaahs you are asking for a perfect world. We don’t have one. Collateral damage is a fact of life in all endeavors not just military. As for honor and your feelings that a sniper has none, think about what/who that sniper is attempting to do, remove a person who has no honor at all, not even in their daily lives. Unless you are of their tribe and of their religion, you are nothing. An animal to be slaughtered and left to rot in the sun. Women are property to be beaten, raped or sold, even their own daughters are of no use to them except as slaves.

  • Anonymous

    Without proof of any wrong doing! We can kill people anywhere anytime! What kind of idiots do we have responding here? Beck does not advocate secession, although, it is getting to sound better all the time! Our rights are being stripped away and you can still support this man? Ask yourself how you would have reacted if Bush were in office? I can tell you how! You would have been up in arms! It is wrong to waterboard someone, but not wrong to KILL them! What planet do you live on?

  • sixholdens

    And your solution is for us to lay down our swords and hope that the other 5 billion people in the world will lay theirs down at the same time. Yeah that would really work. Like a charm for them, we would be slaughtered and all that we have would be someone else’s to squander till it’s gone and then they would be back to living in tents or less and bathing in shit filled rivers of polluted water.

  • sixholdens

    Only within the borders of the US. Everywhere else you are fair game if you are aiding the enemy.

  • landofaahs

    I am not asking for a perfect world until Christ comes. Please don’t read things into my statement that are not there. I realize the “necessity” of such things. I know very well that very unsavory things are done by people in the name of national defence. What I am saying is that we need to be careful of what we glorify. Drones may be necessary but they are not something we should be proud of and revel in. I have no use for the muslim religion either because it is a false one as is anything that is not Christianity. Sorry, but that is my belief.
    I did not know Mr. Kyle but I think perhaps his attempt to help others of the military to deal with their problems at the range or hunting etc. was also therapy for himself. I could be wrong but I think it is probably true. Do you really think you can take out 160 people over time and as reports say could be up to 250 but only 160 confirmed, that this has no deep psychological effect on the human being? There are many people who have done things they are not proud of for their country that needed to be done but they are not proud of them. In fact many are vexed by the incidents every day for the rest of their lives. And while Christ forgives all sins to the penitent sinner, those things still weigh on us. Be careful of what you glorify today because it may grow into monsterable things tomorrow. That is all I am saying.

  • landofaahs

    If you ever read my posts, you would see how anal your statement is. I do not believe in disarming you retard. I just say that there are right ways and wrong ways of accomplishing things. Do it by the rule of law (Constitution) and realize you do not glorify killing even though it is many times necessary. We have to do certain unsavory things but we should not have feet that are swift to kill. Some measure of humility and a little less hubris and our nation would not be experiencing many of the problems we now face.

  • sixholdens

    I would rather take out none but since religious fanatics are playing games with peoples lives, I can accept the collateral damage, even if it is dozens per strike. I will grieve for the innocents and quietly rejoice in the deaths of the targets. 

    Please do not make this a preaching session.

    Yes, many soldiers are not mentally prepared for the results of what they are ordered to do. They go into battle gungho and come out realizing that blood and guts splattered all over the walls, ceiling and floors is not as easy to stomach as it was in the video games they played as kids. I think they should spend time in a slaughter house or autopsy rooms before being sent into combat, even if they do their combat from a comfy chair in front of a terminal. As with civilian mental health, our military is lacking.

    They should be proud of a job well done, and hold on to the knowledge that it was a job that had to be done, no matter how.

  • greywolfrs

    As I stated before, there are rules regarding the use of guns by the cops. They can not arbitrarily shoot people.

    We are not talking about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We are talking about targeted drone strikes. Just because someone is over seas, in a place they consider a terrorist hot spot, does not mean the government can TARGET them. Those people have a right to Due Process, you may not like that, but it is a fact. If they have broken a US law they have a right to clear their name, if they can. You seem to miss the point of this whole thing, this is a slippery slope. You may think those people lose all rights, just because they went over seas, but they do NOT.

  • greywolfrs

    So, the government can speculate and send in a drone when they see fit? I don’t think so. Maybe you should read the Constitution.

    I doubt you have the first concept of a “battle.” Targeting a vehicle in a foreign country does not constitute a “battle.”

    I fully understand about the SEALS, but I do not think you do. We can deploy them to ship to shoot some pirates, but can not use them to grab someone of interest, like al-Awaki? Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

    So, you just take the government’s word that they “aiding” the enemy? They do not surrender their rights simply because they are not in this country. They may fall under another country’s laws, while they are there, but we are not talking about another country’s laws. It was OUR government who killed them, NOT the government of Yemen. They held US citizenship and never went in front of a judge to give that up.

    The part you missed is simple, the government can declare anyone who leaves the country a threat and send in a drone. That is the slippery slope I speak of and what Carney said is it doesn’t have to be in a foreign country. Some yahoo in Washington can deem YOU a threat, right here in the US, and they send in a drone to kill YOU, without Due Process.

    No matter which way you slice it, that goes AGAINST the Constitution and the rights of the citizens of the country. That is unacceptable. Keep refusing to see the big picture and defending this P O S, you are part of the problem.

  • greywolfrs

    Wrong. As I stated in my last post, the Feds can anyone, who leaves the country, is “aiding” the enemy and send in drone. Just because the Feds state it, does not make it so.

  • kyle h

    This double-standard in the network media where anything a Democat does is fine, and anything a Republican does is a crime… is nothing new.   If you are just realizing that most people employed by the networks to report the “News”/propaganda favor the progressive agenda are carrying the water for the Democrat Party… welcome to reality!

    Think about it…
    -listening to people on the terroris watch list’s phone calls without a warrant is TERRIBLE… but killing Americans without a warrant is OK?
    -Pouring water on a known and admitted and unapolagetic terrorist who has information that can save the life of thousands of Americans, is TERRIBLE… but killing Americans the rejime labels “dangerous” is OK?
    That kind of thinking just doesn’t add up to me.

    My own son is the same way (but then he campaigned for Obama).   He’s always posting on his facebook page about how he feels bad he lives in a country that can make movies that seem to condone waterboarding.    But he has no problem with Obama’s policy on killing Amercans his administration deemes a risk.

    My problem is… it may not be abused by the Obama administration… but how do we know we won’t have a more extreem administration sometime in the future that decides people in our own population are a risk to the administration and they think it’s legal to just take them out?

    My opinion is… Don’t give the government powers the constitution clearly prohibits them from having.   And DON’T take rights from the people the Constitution clearly states should  not be infringed!

    But the network news people obviously see it the other way around.

  • greywolfrs

    From Websters:

    Definition of BATTLE

    1 archaic: battalion
    2: a combat between two persons
    3: a general encounter between armies, ships of war, or aircraft
    4: an extended contest, struggle, or controversy

    Now, explain how two guys getting into a car, then being hit by a drone strike, constitutes a “battle.” Don’t bother, anyone with half a brain can see that there was no battle.

  • sixholdens

    Target them personally. That is what you think they are doing. Actually pull up their name from a list and find out where they are standing and send a missile to that spot to kill that person.

    They always have and they always will target locations where the current enemy is located. If they suspect that a US citizen is at that location they may take it into consideration but most likely if that person is there and is a known supporter of the enemy cause, they will be considered an enemy combatant and they will be targeted. 

    Nothing new in the battlefield strategy that I can see. It is not a problem for me either. As for having his 16 year old son in country with him and he also being eliminated by a missile attack, I think there is more to the 16 year old’s story than just that he was visiting friends. Don’t get hung up on his age, that does not mean he could not be a combatant, we have enough under 18′s on our battlefield dead list to prove their capabilities.

    The US does not rule the world. Once outside our borders things are not as cut and dried as you would wish. Having a right to Due Process does not mean they are going to return to our country and exercise it and it is not the military’s job to ensure they get it, especially when they are aiding and abetting the enemy. THAT makes them targets and no amount of whining about the failure of the military to run a taxi service for them will change it.

  • sixholdens

    So your argument has grown so weak you must fling personal insults.

  • Sandie

     grey, that’s actually Victor Tiffany, using an anchor link to post his buggy Hate Glenn Beck website. He is too cowardly to post with a legit avatar and name. He thinks no one will know it’s him LMAO!

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone counted the number of freedom robbing rules/regulations, etc that are proposed, or enacted, monthly from this communist White House? Now they plan to begin roadblocks in Florida for a fake safety check (wonder if they will even have a certified mechanic on duty). Make grocer’s & restaurants establish nutrition lists for everything they sell. Take everyone’s guns so we cannot fight against them! Unconstitutional phony healthcare that will break America. Black boxes on all new cars built in 2014 so they can be tracked. Laptop PC’s with key stroke counters built in. Cell phone GPS that are traceable even when turned off. Giving communist cronies pay raises while trying to cut military pay. Replacing military brass who love America with OWO thinking traitors. The president’s wife blowing over a billion dollars a year vacationing like a queen. Raising taxes to the point of driving companies out of business. Killing 7000 unborn babies a day. Making rules against every true Christian’s ethics and threatening prison if not complied with..
    I cannot even list all the illegal, un-constitutional law breaking this group of America hating traitor’s has passed or are trying to pass. We would be no worse off right now if we’d just handed all our leadership over to Russia, China or even Iran! 
    If he is not stopped, Obama will be the American equivalent of Idi Amen!
    We definitely need a counter plan and begin to execute it. With so many judges sold out to lawlessness, legal means of stopping this is becoming a moot point….     

  • Sandie

     Victor Tiffany, back again to contribute nothing, but to spew your crap about Beck. Go hate somewhere else. No one here gives what you say any credence because you are a left wing propagandist with a thorn in your ass about Beck. Stop advertising your propaganda bugsite as if it were proof – it is just your garbage and hate for Beck and proves nothing.

  • sixholdens

    greywolfrs Seem to have lost the “reply” button on your comments so have to start anew.Your definition of battle is correct, your frame of reference or the scope of the battlefield is wrong. The current battlefield against terrorism is worldwide. The combatants are the coalition of like minded countries against the rabble that wishes to spread their brand of religion through terroristic acts.It takes two and we have that. It takes a location, we have that. It takes a reason to fight, we have that. It takes the will to suffer losses, we have that, or at least some of us do, too many are willing to just let the enemy kill as they wish and then cry because we struck back and accidentally killed someone not directly in the battle.Your grasp of the logistics of sending in a SEAL team is severely lacking.I would rather they kill an innocent in the midst of active terrorist than allow those terrorist to continue spreading their brand of horror throughout their country and ours.Obviously my understanding of the Constitution is much different than yours. Mine was learned through study of what it means, I’m not sure how yours was learned, but I feel you are attempting to stretch it  to those who have turned their back upon it through traitorous actions. A trial is not needed if you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

  • Anonymous

    And writing of lies, how many lies does Sandie Smear (below) convey?

    1)  Victor is on topic pointing out how Beck has flip-flopped on this this issue over the years.

    2)  Sandie Smear thinks that the truth is “crap.” 

    3)  Victor does not hate Glenn Beck.

    4)  Media criticism is NOT propaganda, but she’s projecting onto Victor because  Glenn Beck is a brilliant propagandist.

    5)  The Glenn Beck Review has not bugs.  Sandie is making this false claim because she doesn’t want anyone to see any rock-solid proof Glenn Beck is a liar.

    6)  If anyone is expressing hatred here, it’s Sandie Smear, a “Christian” who does not hesitate to lie about someone pointing out some of Beck’s many flaws. 

    Sandie Smear is projecting her hate and deceitfulness onto Victor.

  • Guest

    “You know those constitutionally protected rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Apparently the White House has some pretty loose rules on how to take those away without due process.”

    Why, then, did Glenn Beck embraced the killing of an American this way right after Obama had al Awaki killed.

    Glenn Beck, a principles and values guy?  Not so much.

    Glenn Beck is a troll who will say anything to get the attention he craves.

  • Sandie

    Why are you, Victor Tiffany, posting as “Guest”  hiding behind your own posts, as if I wouldn’t see your deceitful pieces of work? Too cowardly to take off the mask and post directly to me, you madly type your garbage out here to demonstrate wht a delusional, hateful liar you are.

    1.Victor is off topic because Vic’s topic is “Trash Beck”, not the use of drones.

    2. Vic has to use ad-hominem attacks because he is a vulgar man. No, Vic the truth isn’t crap, what you say is.

    3. Posting your bugsite that has your scree and Beck hate is pathetic. No one believes your garbage, especially after the slander and vile attacks you made on posters who disagreed with you that you plastered on your bugsite.

    4. Honest media criticism is not propaganda, but the garbage you write, Victor is. You try to pass yourself  off as a media critic  but that doesn’t make it so. You are only a ctriticizer of Glenn Beck.

    5.. No, your Hate Beck bugsite is a nasty infestation of your obsession with Beck, misinformation, propaganda and slander, and bugs.  Folks, Vic wants desperately for people to go to his bugsite because he has no traffic there.  The few who land there are tricked by his anchor links that disguise his  “sharethisurlaboutglennbeck”….”  He tries to pass it off as a source of proof for his crazy claims and smears. Don’t be fooled.

    6. The lies here are yours, Victor. Changing my name to Sandie Smear shows you are the hater that you project onto others. You are still labeling me as a “Christian”. Prove I am a Christian, Vic. Find some post, anywhere, where I said I was a Christian and you can name your prize.

    Victor is projecting his hate and deceitfulness onto anyone who so easily squashes him, like a bug.

    Funny, you still speak of yourself in the third person as if you aren’t this moron Victor Tiffany, when we all know you are. We also all know that your only purpose is to be a Beck Trashing Troll who goes where he is rejected because his delusional narcissism lets him think that what he has to say is somehow going to cause a desired change in people who he insults. Remember the definition of insanity…”doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”… guess you have proven that you are Vic.

  • Sandie

    TROLL ALERT IGNORE THIS TROLL VICTOR TIFFANY DISGUISED AS GUEST
    .
    Glenn Beck isn’t the troll on this, his own site, Vic ( you are talking crazy again) – you are. Stop advertising your bugsite. That is in violation of the Terms of Use Agreement. That makes YOU  the “not so much” “principles and values guy”.
    .
    “Glenn Beck is a troll who will say anything to get the attention he craves.” ..
    .
    . no, you typed that wrong. it should be:
    .
    Victor Tiffany is a troll who will say anything to get the attention he craves.

  • Sandie

    Vic,  Incidentally, FYI, ‘al Awaki’ [sic] (al-Awlaki) was identified as an enemy combatant plotting attacks on the US and US interests. Beck was in favor of this but may not be in favor of Obama just granting himself blanket, unilateral authority to kill American citizens at his whim/discretion, a power not in the Constitution. Can’t you see how this is dangerous and quite different? No, you probably can’t, or don’t want to just so you can pull more feces out of your ass to fling around here.

  • SoThere

    Vicky should be afraid of Obie declaring OWS, and Vicky enemies of the State and dropping a bomb on him.

  • Anonymous

    If it is a combat situation, yes.  There is no way that citizens can be distinguished from non-citizens in a fire fight.  However, when they are set up for assassination, that is another story.  If that is the tact your are going to take, why do we need trials for any american citizens for any crime?  Just mete out the penalties.  The answer is that we are a nation of laws and our citizens are protected by those laws.  That is the value of being a citizen.  

  • Sandie

    Drone the bastard! …. Bwaaaaa-haa-haa-haaaaaaaa!

  • landofaahs

    Any insults I “sling” are based in truth. I rebutted your argument and you reply with “only” your weak reply. You lost because you cannot rebutt what I say.

  • landofaahs

    I’m sure the terrorists on 911 thought of everyone as collateral damage too. I would have probably done it different through tactical nukes. I would have given the Afghani’s 2 months to deliver the head of OBM or I would let them know the mountains would be tactically nuked as to poison the landscape and eventually let them waste away. It would have given non-combatants time to get out of the country. Those who stayed would only have themselves to blame. If OBM escaped to another area, same verse as the first, give us his head or else. If you send that message once, it would not need repeating. Otherwise innocent people don’t want to die for the cause. The suiciders are a very small minority.

  • sixholdens

    @landofaahs:disqus Since I am nothing but a “retard” to you, my comments in response to your’s will just be ignored and considered, by you, to be intellectually inferior so not much point in discussing anything with you. 

    I have better things to do than attempt to discuss something with someone who resorts to flinging personal insults. So “Christian” of you.

  • Mike Nelson

    I see someone watched Band of Brothers.  I’m not impressed with what you’ve taken away from that, but I’m also not surprised, given the history of your inept and pedestrian mewling.

    A more effective citation of your case may have been the judgement of Wiborg v. US, but I reckon you’re as ignorant of that event as you are of what the world would be without the glorious experiment of the United States of America.

    Below is a copy/paste of paragraph 4 on the webby linked below, a US State Department website, which itself refers links to Cornell U Law School, so it should suffice for even a leftist like you:

    “Although a person’s enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.”

    http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html

    If you ever decide to try **supporting** anything as diligently as you troll here, you may see success in some avenue of your life which can lead you out of your indolence and the belligerent victim complex which snares you, and the consequent self-wallowing depression evidenced in your juvenile dissent with reality.

  • Guest

    Sandie Smear needs to explain this to Mr. Beck. This week, he’s against killing Americans without due process.

    Victor is simply pointing out that Beck is a flip-flopper about his so-called “principles.”

    Under SoThere, she shows complete hypocrisy and her violent nature.

  • Guest

    There are real issues that Beck could take with Obama rather than Beck’s deceitful propaganda about the President being a “communist.” That talk was dumb under Eisenhower, and it’s dumb to use against Obama. Beck could perform an honorable task of challenging the Lockdown State…but he seems to embrace that too.

     The Powers of the Lockdown State

    As cultists of a “unitary executive,” they — and the administration of national security managers who followed in the Obama years — lifted the executive branch right out of the universe of American legality.  They liberated it to do more or less what it wished, as long as “war,” “terrorism,” or “security” could be invoked.  Meanwhile, with their Global War on Terror well launched and promoted as a multigenerational struggle, they made wartime their property for the long run.

    In the process, they oversaw the building of a National Security Complex with powers that boggle the imagination and freed themselves from the last shreds of accountability for their actions.  They established or strengthened the power of the executive to: torture at will (and create the “legal”justification for it); imprison at will, indefinitely and without trial;assassinate at will (including American citizens); kidnap at will anywhere in the world and “render” the captive into the hands of allied torturers; turn any mundane government document (at least 92 million of them in 2011 alone) into a classified object and so help spread a penumbra of secrecy over the workings of the American government; surveil Americans in ways never before attempted (and only “legalized” by Congress after the fact, the way you might backdate a check); make war perpetually on their own say-so; and transform whistleblowing — that is, revealing anything about the inner workings of the lockdown state to other Americans — into the only prosecutable crime that anyone in the Complex can commit.

  • greywolfrs

    Vicki Tiffany or matt “the moron” driscoll, same B S…

  • http://twitter.com/AGary8 Gary A. Anderson

    Sadly, it seems few members of Obama’s media need to question the use of domestic drones in the United States. Not surprising, his lap dog, press secretary Carney believes there use, if authorized by Obama, would be “ethical and…wise.” Ethical and wise by whose standards? DUD!

  • Guest

    Of course many in the party’s liberal base, and many investigative journalists and liberal commentators, have been tracking the Obama administration on this, and in some cases vehemently protesting its actions. These are the same voices that have been debating the movie Zero Dark Thirty. But as Frank Rich wrote in his piece in the magazine, there are few signs the broader public, Democrats included, shares that op-ed/blogging outrage. Why? Part of it is partisanship: Some Democrats are willing to give Obama a pass on issues that were enraging in the Bush years – they like their president. But I’d argue two other factors are more significant: (1) Obama doesn’t advertise what he’s doing with the “dead or alive” cowboy rhetoric of Bush and Cheney; (2) Americans turned away from almost all national security issues, from domestic surveillance to the war in Afghanistan, during the Great Recession. Neither the alarming rise of Islamic terrorism in northern Africa nor the Republicans’ ceaseless attempt to transform Benghazi into a crisis of 9/11 proportions has made the public pay any more attention to any related issue, from drone warfare to rendition to targeted assassinations.

    The same is true about Beck. He never whined about any of the 11 attacks or 50+ Americans killed during the Bush reign of error. Why not?  See above.  (It’s called double standards.)

  • Chester Payne

    Snowleopard, since when did a traitor have to be stood up in front of a judge to have his citizenship revoked, especially one who took up arms against his country?  IF you can honestly tell me that ANY traitor was stripped of his citizenship by a judge before he was executed, then you might have something to complain about.  Regardless of your citizenship, when you take up arms against your own country, you have renounced any claims you might have as a citizen.  Even hte military men of the South during the Civil War were treated as prisoners of war, NOT citizens of the United States. If you are willing to go in and arrest a known traitor, in his comfort zone and his comrades around to protect him, then attempt to bring him back to this country for trial, I am sure there are people who can give you a nice list to start with.

  • Anonymous

    Show me where you find that in the Constitution. It’s not the document you want it to be; it protects ALL Americans from executive fiat on their lives. No due process ===>impeachment.

    THAT is what’s in the Constitution.

  • Guest

     Nothing to see here folks – just another troll dropping from l Victor Tiffany.

  • Sandie

     Victor, you are back to name calling again. Does  it make you feel big? Pumps up your pathetic fragile ego?

    “Victor is simply pointing out that Beck..” Your insistence on referring to yourself in the  third person is quite telling about your poor mental health.. Your poor mental health is also indicated by your insistence on trolling Beck’s website with your demento magnifying glass and picking out anything you can, even when you don’t understand it,  twisting it in your corrupt mind into another poison dart for Beck. The thing is, Vic, you concentrate, (make that OBSESS) on Beck while giving a giant pass to Obama, whose propaganda and lies are what really matters.

    Stop your lying and hypocrisy, Vic. Everyone knows about you.

  • Guest

     So, Victor, you complain that Beck isn’t criticizing Obama for this issue, but YOU AREN’T EITHER!  You post this piece in a manner that distances yourself from it, while you criticize Back instead of Obama. HYPOCRITE, THY NAME BE VICTOR TIFFANY

  • Guest

     So, Victor, you complain that Beck isn’t criticizing Obama for this issue, but YOU AREN’T EITHER!  You post this piece in a manner that distances yourself from it, while you criticize Back instead of Obama. HYPOCRITE, THY NAME BE VICTOR TIFFANY

  • Guest

    The POTUS has the right during war to kill or capture ANY enemy combatant. Al-Awlaki became an enemy combatant when he joined Al Queda

  • Guest

     Gee Victor, how impressive, you can copy paste from what others have written without proper attribution.

    “The same is true about Beck. He never whined about (blah, blah, blah)..” and that is all you do – whine, whine, whine.

    Incidentally, if you think that Americans have “turned away from almost all national security issues” you are misguided. Just because Obama is juggling a few things at the same time, doesn’t mean they are not forgotten in view of the big one at hand. It may be that way for you, but then you have trouble focusing on anything and getting it right.

  • Anonymous

    Well, when the last American has been eliminated, then, I guess, the rest of the world will not be laughing at America anymore. Seems like an awfully high price to pay for a little respect. Don’t you think?