So the newest WWE ‘villain’ is a tea party member?

Sounds like the Obama administration is placing pressure on them in a ‘we will make you a deal you cannot refuse, or survive if you do refuse…’

WWE should be named the WWM world wide morons. Who watches the WWE anyways it all just idiotic.

It doesn’t make sense from a business point of view to demonize millions of people in the market .  I wonder what their research is telling them.

It’s hard to believe anyone who isn’t a 12 year old boy watches the WWE anyway.

This is entertaining on multiple levels.
First, you have the WWE, a joke in itself, making a joke out of the pathetic and racist Tea Party.
Second, weak minded haters like Beck actually fall for the WWE’s ploy and make this story even bigger by crying about the Tea Party purity. 
I love watching two bit hacks like Glenn get sucked into this crap.

Oh, PLEASE Beck! Now you’re going a little overboard. The WWE is a joke and as phony as anything can get, but to accuse it as being political? Get your head examined! The whole WWE is and was bad guys against good guys. Otherwise the millions of sheeple wouldn’t be supporting it. And to suggest that most WWE viewers are republicans is stereotyping on your part. Sport today is a money machine and includes ALL sports. The athletes are the ones who are laughing all the way to the bank while the sheeple lay out BIG money to see their idols. Get a life.

It makes them millions from the sheeple who pay to see the crap. And Beck is actually helping the cause.

Oh please.. 
yourpaled and laughing_at_conlings

Let’s have a WWE that is wannbe hood who punches out lone white victims. 
Oh even better king of the mass thievery known as flash mobs. 
Nah lets have a Chi town  character  a black hoodlum waving his gun around that kills innocents when
attempting to shoot a rival   his character depicts black men can’t shoot straight.

I can think of tons of characters.  THAT are Real.

This tea party character is a FRAUD just like your  Dear Leader.

Sound like Snow Leopard hit it right on the head

Love to see a Lib as a Bad guy oh no can’t do that just the “stupid White Guys”

Don’t underestimate the influence of the WWE on the 15 million dumbed-down fans who watch the show—-15 million is a bigger fan-base than Bill O’reilly.  

Dumbed-down amerikans vote, and many of them form their political opinions on the flimsy reasoning of entertainment personalities. 

 I’m glad Glenn has risen to the level of evaluating fake wrestling characters.

Also, cheers to the webmaster for finding TEN places to put Glenn’s picture on this particular page.  Technology is amazing, isn’t it ?

The joke here is you. Racist? In what POSSIBLE way? The Tea Party fielded more minority candidates than the Democrats did and, PER GALLUP (but they’re eeevil conservatives and thus super biased, right? /s), has demographics closely mirroring the country, something the Democrats can’t say. But you’re a leftist; you don’t care about facts any further than you can spin them. What a despicable cretin you are.

Troll.

 Cunt.

Yeah, like the flimsy reasoning of George Clooney, Eva Longoria, Michael Moore.  And even elect people such as Al Franken to office.  Gotta love libs!

A Neanderthal… Like a virus this is an attempt to infect the Tea Party. 

You’re not a free thinking anything – you’re a brainwashed sack of crap.

All liberals are brainwashed morons.

Duh!

He’s supposed to offend the audience.   He’s a heel.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_%28professional_wrestling%29

He draws “heat” by offending the crowd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_%28professional_wrestling%29#Cheap_heat

Later on, the good guy or “face” comes in and beats him up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_%28professional_wrestling%29

This whole process is called “professional wrestling”.   12 year old boys and adults of low intelligence find it entertaining.

Glenn!!!  You are missing the point.  The Tea Party guy can be a bad guy or a good guy.  This doesn’t matter!  The idea is to build a character that is off the wall but still somewhat believable and most importantly not BORING.  A freedom loving tea party patriot could easily be made into a good guy or bad guy.  Think about the character “Glenn Beck” that some people hate and some people love.  This would be the ideal wrestling character.  Nobody will relate to this character and thus will fail.  A patriotic prepper that has canned goods, water and a bomb shelter will automatically get some people to understand him and thus like him.  If they make him a jerk most people will hate him.  This type of character could work for the good of the WWE. 

It’s not good vs. bad…. it’s boring (bad) vs. love/hate(ideally what’s best for ratings).

Then enlighten us Marie, show us the way and the truth and the light.

Will he be able to spell? 

No.

The funny thing is that steroids make the ballsack shrink up which actually makes it easy to put in the mouth. So, this Tea Party wrestler is an inspiration to all Tea Partiers

yes, snowleoptard…the Obama administration is influencing the characters in professional wrestling. do you have any idea how idiotic your paranoid babble makes you look to Real Americans?

racist much?

The should have a character named Eric Massa who tickles his staff, or a character named Glenn Beck who ass-rapes his audience. Or a character named Glenn Beck Audience Member who has a sore gaping ass, and then pays $10 bucks to be raped again next month

If they made a character who went to a Tea Party to cruise for gay sex and wound up getting cornholed in the backseat of the SUV in the parking lot, it wouldn’t be wrestling it would be a documentary

why would anyone let their children watch a bunch of adults act like stupid temper tantrum throwing children getting violent over mindless trash talk? sounds like leftist educational material.

Truth is racist..?  
What was not factual?Thought so. 

No I disagree with you Glenn.I’ve watched the WWE for a long time and that was never my impression.I think you worry too much that some people maybe not who you think they are.Why don’t you sit down with Mrs.MaMahon or Vince and talk with them before you rush to judgement.If they don’t sit with you then I’ll quit watching them and stand by you.Not that I will abandon you but we all can be wrong at times.WWE is pure entertainment its not poliitcs.Look at what John Cena is doing for MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION or WWE supports the troops.Quit looking at one character and judge that on everyone else.Thanks for listening.

What is WWE?

Once again, check your spelling and grammar. People will take you seriously if you polish up your sentences.

Yea you are seriously so far off the map it isn’t even funny. Did you even notice how never once was it mentioned in the show that he was a member of the Tea Party. And if you seriously think that President Obama is is somehow influencing the WWE you are the craziest person in the history of bat-shit crazy people. You need mental help man. You need a good therapist and a hug. I understand it must be hard to wake up every day as you but blaming others for your shitty lot in life is not the answer.

Also, I am posting my reply from our last discussion here so people will know how utterly dim-witted you are. If anyone would like to see this transaction please go to the article entitled Why You Need To See The Man On the Moon.

Holy hell you are a strange dude. Hahaha. Man never once did I mention anything about “blacks” or “whites.” I don’t have any type of “hatred” towards Christianity. I am actually a peaceful dude. I just extremely dislike extremist like yourself. See extremeist run on both sides, the left and the right. You, sir, are a right-wing extremist, which is no better than a left-wing extremist. Please don’t try and cover up your ignorance by saying “I thought you would be dumb enough to fall for that.” That is the most pathetic attempt to mask stupidity I have ever seen. When did I mention “black” people once? You argument is stupid and based on your grammar and sentence structure I am going to assume that you have very, very little education. Maybe that is the reason you are currently unemployed. I am sorry your life sucks but you really should take responsibilty for your own situation. Thats what adults do.

Just about every thing you post is filthy, and usually about anal sex or being raped anally.  Why don’t you troll another site where your sick fantasies would be better indulged? Mind you I don’t have any real hatred of gays, but you constantly inflicting your sick wishes on this site is a bit too much.  Go troll for gay porn, and let us adults discuss things here on this site.

There is nothing in this video that indicates (clearly enough for the low information voter, or to me) that it is a spoof.  Instead it looks like a serious portrayal of something.  It reinforces the false impression the left is trying to pass off as fact.  Is the WWE a closet leftist organization ? or are they really that dumb ?  Useful idiots might as well be real leftists for all the damage they do.  I am not a wrestling fan,  but my guess is that most in their audience are more in agreement with the Tea Party (if they were all informed enough to know it) and should be offended enough by this to turn off the tube.  Unfortunately there probably is not another wrestling show to watch………  Maybe there is a reason she doesn’t get elected.  Maybe the people in her district know something the rest of us do not…. i.e. she is a closet liberal.?????

Anyone who bases their political leanings on the WWE is a moron by default.  This is a non-story, yet it IS political propaganda at its UGLIEST!

I like to remind people of this every time they bash snow leopard.  Snow leopard is missing an eye for the offense of being a Lebanese Christian.

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Just ask her, and like always, you post one sentence that took almost no thought.

Pardon me you have lengthy posts of mindlessness.  I had you confused for another liberal idiot.

Awesome. He admits that wrestling is stupid and in the next breath admits that it appeals primarily to conservatives. 

Now I get it your one of these idiots that thinks they are better than everyone else. Really you should seek help for your Narcissism it looks like to be some extreme case that only professional can help you with.

They can be stupid at time. It wasn’t too long ago that they had an African-American wrestler come out in a Confederate uniform. They also have a Swiss wrestler making remarks about loving America but hating the work ethic of the people.

The tea party is a patriotic movement; the WWE should portray the tea party character as a patriot.

Conspiracy-theory much?  WWE is a business, not a masked political machine.  Don’t flatter yourselves!   It is LAUGHABLE that Stu mentions the Iron Sheik as an example, then he says “but this is different.”  Yes, this is some SERIOUS stuff…  WAY different than that.  Glenn, by acknowledging that this character is, in your view, a Tea-Party Villain, you have essentially agreed that what this character stands for is the Tea Party ideals.  The WWE didn’t say it, you did!  You’re not helping your own cause, buddy…  But hey, you seem to think you know what the WWE audience wants since you know that they’re “tired of [being miscast]“.  C’Mon, man!!  Get your head out of the sand– the “Tea Party” theme isn’t a logical design to sell tickets or create ratings for the WWE (though the extra coverage you and others have provided might help).  This “Tea Party” stuff is all in your head.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  It doesn’t make a lick of sense.  Miopic view. 

Kharma is a bitch Linda M. Jack Swagger with a DUI. I guess this RINO*s tea party-bashing is over. 

Which is worse, a silly fictional wrestling character “demonizing” the TEA Party or a silly ignorant commentator who plays the race card on the TEA Party?

“So if you’ve got a big government progressive [in Newt] or a big
government progressive in Obama, one in Newt Gingrich, one in Obama,
ask yourself this Tea Party. Is it about Obama’s race, because that’s
what it appears to be to me. If you’re against him [Obama] but you’re for this guy [Newt], it must be about race. I mean, what else is it about Judge?” Glenn Beck

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-to-tea-party-if-you-support-newt-but-not-obama-youre-racist/

Glenn is just upset that somebody is using his shtick. Both are fakes.

you are an awful and tiny person

 What I don’t care for in this article is someone (Glenn) assuming to
know who, what and where the W.W.E. audience is or what they represent.
*
He
is the one assuming to understand a genre’ he claims to not watch and
yet presents viewpoints that are supposedly of the ones that do watch
W.W.E. He is creating a scenario that simply does not exist. “Me thinks
thou doth protest too much.”
*
Desperate times call for desperate
measures? Grasping at straws for ratings, trying to create controversy?
That is what I view this article as… Miscast indeed-you are the guilty
party, Glenn.
*
The W.W.E. supports our troops, have always done
so. They contribute to many charitable causes, children’s hospitals,
etc.,and you are essentially urging a boycott of a corporation that adds
to the economy and the entertainment field.
You have made this about you, everything revolves around you and your assumptions of others ideals and patriotism.
* 
” You’re mocking me for standing up for the Constitution of the United
States of America? You’re mocking me for standing up for law and order?
Equal justice under the law? Equal justice. I’ve been that my whole
life. You’re mocking me for standing up for the same principles and
values that Martin Luther King stood up for?”
*
Yes, Glenn. You have a history of picking and choosing parts of the Constitution that serve your interests. The “birther”
controversy.
Your support and endorsement for ineligible candidates for President
and V.P. – Marco Rubio, Governor Bobby Jindahl.
Your refusal to answer why you tell others to stop with the “birther” issue.
*
Stop
creating controversy where there is none and assuming to know the
motives of the people you disagree with. It is clear you do NOT.

Mary

 ”I’m sick and tired of being miscast. I am sick and tired of it. It is lazy at best. And I certainly am not going to give any more time or my money to any organization that is miscasting, is making it harder for me and my family to stand up for what I believe in. You’re mocking me for standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America? You’re mocking me for standing up for law and order? Equal justice under the law? Equal justice. I’ve been that my whole life. You’re mocking me for standing up for the same principles and values that Martin Luther King stood up for? I don’t think so. In my own camp? No, I don’t think so. Get the hell out.”

Mr. Beck, aren’t you doing this very thing to the female members of this audience lately? You may want to stop doing this to 80% of your own audience. Don’t forget who started the grassroots movement that is the Tea Party.

New writers 2 months ago? Bullshit! They’ve had the same writers for 3 years or longer. That’s why the product is so stale. Even though you’re right (For once in your insignificant life) they don’t know understand the audience at all.

its a character on a tv show.  if you dont like the show,  that’s fine,  but you sound ignorant by insulting the milllions of people that do like and watch it.  they’ve never once said or implied that this character is a member to the tea party.  they’re telling a story,  just like any other tv shows or movies do every day.  this is really just taking something small and blowing it way out of proportion.  there’s no alterior motive.  its just a tv show.  all you accomplished with this 17 minute conversation was to give the wwe and their product publicity.  its really not that big of a deal.  there’s much more important things that are wrong in the world today you could’ve spent this time talking about.

To truly understand what has been presented here, you have to know all the facts. The current World Heavyweight Champion of the WWE is Alberto Del Rio, a character portrayed as a Mexican aristocrat. Swagger is a multiple time National Champion amateur wrestler, who graduated from the University of Oklahoma (not the ignorant fool Mr Beck would have you think he is.) Swagger’s character is a former champion, who had hit a rough patch and left for a few months to “find his roots.” The words “Tea Party” were never mentioned, and like any good wrestling character, this is an extreme version of people that exist in real life. There are radical conservatives same as there are radical liberals. Why not exploit the reality of the situation to get people talking about the product?

why don’t you do some research before you shoot your mouth off.  WWE actually had hoodlum characters who stole etc… the crowd ate it up… but its all characters, a fantasy, don’t get your panties in a twist

So where was the outrage when Daniel Bryan made a big deal about being a vegan during his heel run? Is WWE demonizing black people with Mark Henry? Professional wrestling is what happens when vaudeville meets the circus, so it’s going to take social trends and current events and play off of them, usually in a less than complimentary nature. Simple as that. If you can’t accept that without trying to look for hidden messages or ulterior motives, you may be watching the wrong product.

I’m a big fan of WWE and I totally disagree with them doing this for all the reasons you said on your show. Not happy.

If you don’t like the WWE characters then don’t watch WWE! Simple!   I  can”t believe some people are getting so shook-up over a story line that a TV show is using to try to entertain.

Does anyone get upset over any of the currant TV drama story lines No. Do people get upset over any of the TV comedies story lines ? No. What about the so called “reality” shows on TV? No. They are nothing more than entertainments and most people will just turn the channel or turn it off if it offends them.

 WWE is nothing more than an entertainment using a sport and story line to keep people interested.  If one of the characters is offensive you boo them! (or turn it off) When the “good guy” comes out you cheer them. That’s how this entertainment works. The incredible athletes who are the “actors” in this show take on these roles just as any actor would in any TV show or movie.

 Are the “bad guys” in this show really bad? NO! Many of the guys and gals work with Make-a- Wish to grant sick kids wishes. Many are involved in the WWE reading program and the Anti-Bullying program. Some work with young wrestlers who are interested in the business of pro wrestling.

So If you don’t like the entertainment that WWE provides turn it off but remember, this IS an entertainment  nothing  more.  

How does Glenn Beck know this wrestler will not become a babyface maybe people are ready for someone to stand up and say the things that lots of people are thinking. BTW its a wrestling show and we all know its make believe and for entertainment.

Stop your crying beck wwe did not make him a heel the fans did. Like always the fans choose who to hate and who to like

Glenn, as both a wrestling fan and longtime follower of yours, I don’t mind this representation as I don’t see it as demonizing. I see it as a character on an entertainment program. Plus, the difference between wrestling back in the day and today was that the line between good guy and bad guy was clear. With the Iron Shiek and Sgt. Slaughter and the anti-American gimmick, it worked because it was designed for us to hate them. In this instance, I’m not sure that we’re designed to hate them as much as we are supposed to stand up and think about what they are saying. Wrestling is a different business now as are many others.

And also as a wrestling fan, the business has had horrible writing for years so I’m honestly not surprised. With all the other blatant attacks on conservatism in the media, I’m sure the WWE is the least of everyone’s problems. Keep up the good work, Glenn.

Wait seriously? You’ve never met a conservative like Zeb Coulter, Stu? I smell something and it ain’t what The Rock is cooking.

 Too Funny!

First off I apologize for the long post, but I’ve a lot to say on the matter, but I appreciate if you read the whole thing.

This is ridiculous, you proclaim that this is the “stupid wrestling” and that’s “fake”, but then why do you care so much. I personally am a devoted wrestling fan, and have been a supporter of Mr. Beck for many years. But if you can’t see that it’s fake, and that these characters are created to pull out emotion of the viewers.
Clearly it has worked or else this video wouldn’t have been posted. It also proves that the WWE knows what they’re doing, when creating these characters, as it’s quite evident that Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter have drawn out negative reactions from nearly all of their audience. Maybe not for all of the same reasons, but that’s not the point.

The point is that they’re a creating a villain, to which people can get upset about, and rally behind a hero to derail said villain. That’s the point, to entrain the audience, in the best way they can, and to claim that they don’t know what they’re doing is silly.

The WWE is an established company that is known worldwide and has been in existence for 50 years, because they know how what they’re doing. They know that Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter will come off as an extremist, and get the attention of all different fields of audience. Not just the common conservatives, or the angry tea party members who feel mocked, but the international audiences. As it can be seen if you’ve done you’re research, while Jack Swagger is talking down illegal immigrants, hinting at Hispanics. A hispanic wrestler, the hero in the story, will get his chance to stop the villain, Jack Swagger, at the biggest show in the history of wrestling today.

Showing that this isn’t bashing of conservatives and tea party members, just a story, just like any TV show or movie, and to criticize it before it’s done, is foolish.

Especially when these claims are just you inferring Colter never said he was in the Tea Party, and the “Don’t tread on me” flag, has been an important piece of american history since the Revolutionary days. So to assume, that an extremist is the same thing as a tea party member, just goes to show you’re true feelings on the matter.

I’m not saying the WWE is perfect, because quiet frankly, there not. I’ve my problems with them in different fields in the past, but if at the end of the day, you can’t see that they’re trying to entertain you. Then you shouldn’t watch it, and if you don’t watch it, then maybe you should try to not to comment on it, because you’re not informed on the matter.

But as I saw at the end of the video, this isn’t really about the WWE, this is about people mocking Mr. Beck and his family. Which is a fair thing to be upset about, no man who should be mocked for doing his job or for providing for his family, and neither should his family be mocked for his father’s words. However, Mr. Beck maybe you should practice what you preach, calling this “stupid wrestling”, is not only an insult to the thousands of performers, who some work 330 days a year, but an insult to the millions of people around the world, who watch the programming on a weekly basis for decades. However you don’t seem to care about their feelings, or anyone else’s feelings who disagree with you’re political views or do something you disagree with. 

I had few complaints when I watched your show on Fox everyday for a few years, but one of them was you’re constant belittling of George Soros, now you maybe right about George Soros, on many different topics, I don’t know, because unless I step into Mr. Soros mind, I can’t say if he’s out to destroy countries economies, and wreck lives for the betterment of himself. But most of the times I saw you on Television, and even in this you bring him up. You might not agree with this policies or his actions, but take an old life philosophy of “treating other’s the way you want to be treated”. I’m sure that you would not want to be belittle as much as you belittle him.

I know my comment will probably go unheard or unappreciated, but if we want the media to stop bashing on people, then someone has to say something.

WWE has had a tradition of making villains , even using racism , there was a wrestler by the name of JBL that went on against Mexican wrestlers as the Late great Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. It’s fake , they even had racist black power groups as the ‘Nation of Domination’ and had a story where there was footage backstage of the locker room of the said ‘Nation’ being torn apart and having racist words spray painted all over and it was made to look like the Canadian group , the Hart Foundation , did those things( which actually it was done by another group called ‘D-generation X’ a group that was founded by one of the people that is married to the WWE Boss’s  daughter, His name is Triple H) They mock EVERYTHING, God, Necrophilia, Old people, young people, they had a whole era that was PG-13 called the ‘Attitude Era’ ….

Calm yourselves people …OH and JBL did a promo like this …and he mocks the Mexican flag too…in America….and mocks a great Mexican wrestler too…AND JBL still works for the company as an announcer.

http://youtu.be/0WIcAvqssOA

take a look

 Here’s another JBL promo against Mexicans

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x119jd_jbl-kicks-out-illegals_news#.USfmHjeRfyA

The stupidity here is AMAZING!

First off I apologize for the long post, but I’ve a lot to say on the matter, but I appreciate if you read the whole thing.

This is ridiculous, you proclaim that this is the “stupid wrestling” and that’s “fake”, but then why do you care so much. I personally am a devoted wrestling fan, and have been a supporter of Mr. Beck for many years. But if you can’t see that it’s fake, and that these characters are created to pull out emotion of the viewers.
Clearly it has worked or else this video wouldn’t have been posted. It also proves that the WWE knows what they’re doing, when creating these characters, as it’s quite evident that Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter have drawn out negative reactions from nearly all of their audience. Maybe not for all of the same reasons, but that’s not the point.

The point is that they’re a creating a villain, to which people can get upset about, and rally behind a hero to derail said villain. That’s the point, to entrain the audience, in the best way they can, and to claim that they don’t know what they’re doing is silly.

The WWE is an established company that is known worldwide and has been in existence for 50 years, because they know how what they’re doing. They know that Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter will come off as an extremist, and get the attention of all different fields of audience. Not just the common conservatives, or the angry tea party members who feel mocked, but the international audiences. As it can be seen if you’ve done you’re research, while Jack Swagger is talking down illegal immigrants, hinting at Hispanics. A hispanic wrestler, the hero in the story, will get his chance to stop the villain, Jack Swagger, at the biggest show in the history of wrestling today.

Showing that this isn’t bashing of conservatives and tea party members, just a story, just like any TV show or movie, and to criticize it before it’s done, is foolish.

Especially when these claims are just you inferring Colter never said he was in the Tea Party, and the “Don’t tread on me” flag, has been an important piece of american history since the Revolutionary days. So to assume, that an extremist is the same thing as a tea party member, just goes to show you’re true feelings on the matter.

I’m not saying the WWE is perfect, because quiet frankly, there not. I’ve my problems with them in different fields in the past, but if at the end of the day, you can’t see that they’re trying to entertain you. Then you shouldn’t watch it, and if you don’t watch it, then maybe you should try to not to comment on it, because you’re not informed on the matter.

But as I saw at the end of the video, this isn’t really about the WWE, this is about people mocking Mr. Beck and his family. Which is a fair thing to be upset about, no man who should be mocked for doing his job or for providing for his family, and neither should his family be mocked for his father’s words. However, Mr. Beck maybe you should practice what you preach, calling this “stupid wrestling”, is not only an insult to the thousands of performers, who some work 330 days a year, but an insult to the millions of people around the world, who watch the programming on a weekly basis for decades. However you don’t seem to care about their feelings, or anyone else’s feelings who disagree with you’re political views or do something you disagree with. 

I had few complaints when I watched your show on Fox everyday for a few years, but one of them was you’re constant belittling of George Soros, now you maybe right about George Soros, on many different topics, I don’t know, because unless I step into Mr. Soros mind, I can’t say if he’s out to destroy countries economies, and wreck lives for the betterment of himself. But most of the times I saw you on Television, and even in this you bring him up. You might not agree with this policies or his actions, but take an old life philosophy of “treating other’s the way you want to be treated”. I’m sure that you would not want to be belittle as much as you belittle him.

I know my comment will probably go unheard or unappreciated, but if we want the media to stop bashing on people, then someone has to say something.

While missing an eye for any form of discrimination is tragic, it does not lend validity to misinformed lunacy.  This entire form of proxy qualification has severely eroded any chance at informed, civil discourse.

“I woke up this morning” does not qualify you to speak on matters of sleep cycles of spotted newts.  Nor does a tragedy in your past excuse clearly hyperbolic ranting.

If you know that this isn’t how real tea party members are, then why are you so mad? If you know that wwe fans arent smart, why do you care what they think?

As much as I usually agree with Glenn Beck, I have to vehemently disagree with him here. Where in Dutch Mantell or Jack Swagger’s profile do they identify themselves as being or representing the Tea Party?

Come onnnn.  This is all fake.  At no point has Swagger or Zeb come out and said “Tea Party” or “Republican” or “Conservative”.  A heel is supposed to draw heat from the crowd.  How many Anti-American Muslims have been portrayed in the WWE/F?  Russians?  Eastern Europeans (there’s one currently)?  Canadians?  Sorry Glenn if it hits close to home, but it’s JUST a character.  Besides, Swagger will be gone before you know it since he was arrested for DUI and possession of Marijuana.  

To add to my previous post, if it hasn’t been stated already, Swagger’s character WAS being built up to feud with a Mexican-American Champion.  The creative team was just building up a storyline by making Swagger the exact opposite of Alberto del Rio.  

Hahahaha.  Glenn Beck, pwned. 

glenn beck, you are a f*cking idiot. Let my type this so you can understand it, you slow-witted imbecile.

IT. IS. NOT. REAL. IT. IS INTENDED FOR SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SPORTS “ENTERTAINMENT.” LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

E. N. T. E. R. T. A. I. N. M. E. N. T.

DO YOU THINK IT’S REAL? KNOWING YOUR DUMBA$$, IT MUST BE REAL TO YOU.

ffs. 

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE EASTER BUNNY TOO? 

Here’s a better idea, glenn beck, you fat f*ck. spare yourself the trouble and the embarrassment and don’t show up in future RAW episodes.

I hear WWE has invited you to there show.  Are you going to take them up on that offer? I think you should. 

Otherwise I got two words for ya!

Are you brave enough to give me your address?

 You’re an idiot. You have no idea what professional wrestling is so you resort to Wiki links to make your point about a topic you have no understanding of? Tool, you are!

it seems as if glenn beck himself has an issue with anyone speaking their minds the way they so choose to feel even though thats what hes based on. so hypacritical you are my friend. i liked you til you bashed someone for speaking the truth or being who they are. if you dont like wwe dont watch and dont pay attention you facist hypacrtitcal moron. you speak your mind everyday and usually are logical but on this one id have to far disagree and im not even a wwe fan. you have no right telling anyone anything so keep your mouth shut pig or maybe the wwe universe will stuff an apple in your mouth and roast you over an open flame cuz youre taking this way too far. this country is in turmoil and what is anyone doing about it.? nothing. speak your mind and dont apologize for any of it because the truth needs to be spoken. i see glenn likes america the way it is. well some of us are sick of not being heard and are speaking our voices like were supposed to have the freedom to do so. but people like you chastize us for it. screw you. because you were given an opportunity to speak your views on television and make people wonder doesnt make you any bigger or better than any one of us. it also doesnt make you right. it makes you have an opinion just as we all do. but dont stick your nose out and start getting down on people for the way they live or choose to speak their minds everyday. we let you have your meaningless little show that focuses on politics. this is wrestling. a show you idiot. we have characters. its a come as you are policy. if you dont like our show. the characters then stay out cuz we dont characterize you for your beliefs on your show or the way you choose to say things. so back off. if you really wanna make an impact glenn. start doing the right things and get down on the right people for their views and the way they choose to run this country because sooner or later. even your right to speak your mind is gonna be taken away. because thats what its boiling down to. not being able to speak your minds. cant wait for that day either because i can see if this is what youre gonna start focusing on then its better sooner than later that you are taken off the air. happy hard harry once said. talk hard. well you better talk fast because your voice is about to be silenced my friend. have a nice day. oh and btw thats a mick foley reference but what would you know? you dont know wrestling.

Roy Lucier, well said!

“In one of the more bizarre slams on the Tea Party to date, the WWE
decided to create a villain who just happens to be a racist Tea Partier.”

Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter have not spoken one word or sentence that implies racism in any way but this article labels Swagger as racist?
So let me get this straight… because two white guys speak out their opinions (scripted, of course) about illegal immigration, they are assumed to be racist?
Oh, I get it… because racism only occurs when whites speak their minds on controversial issues regarding “non-whites”? Right? Right?!
This article FAILED.

The WWE has reach out to Glenn Beck and offered to give him time on Monday Night Raw. Lets see is Glenn will accept the invite. The “E” in WWE stands for Entertainment. What is wrong with you Glenn? Actually, I am glad you are making such a big deal about this. Now, more people will watch. Good vs. Evil. STORY LINE! 

Glenn denied the opportunity to go onto Monday Night Raw and have 5 minutes of uninteruppted, unedited mic time. I guess if he’s not hiding in a studio he can’t speak his “truths”. At least Jake Hager and Wayne Keown will go out in front of thousands of people and speak their scripted minds, but this coward is too scared to. Yes Glenn, those are their real names, but you still like to call them by their stage names of Jack Swagger and Zeb COLTER, not COULTURE you fucking retard.

The coward’s response to WWE was “Unfortunately I’m currently booked doing anything else.” Spoken like a true man that likes to speak his mind, but when he’s called out he crawls back inside his momma.

 Uh. No. He’s simply referencing terms used in professional wrestling that some people might not understand. How is that idiotic?

The WWE isn’t insulting anyone, it’s a freaking character on a T.V show that I happen to watch every week.  Did I mention I’m Arab and live in a place where Arabs aren’t very liked?  I face dirty looks often so I know what it’s like to be miscast.  This character isn’t offending in the slightest bit, in fact him and Swagger have been doing an excellent job and I would hate to see their characters change over the controversy, it would be tragic.

And after those 2 comments, I would like to add this. Glenn Beck you sir, are a pussy. You are a coward. If you wanna talk shit about a 70 year old man’s wife, then turn down appearing on his show which you were just blasting, so you could say whatever you wanted to about his show to his fans, you are nothing but a cowardly little pussy.Did I mention you’re nothing more than a pussy? A fat ass at that. Keep eating your New York Ratdogs, and die a slow and painful diabetes related death. I’m sorry I clicked on your link, I’m sorry I gave your website an undeserved hit, and I’m sorry that you’re gonna die a fat ass lonely old man that no one will ever take serious because you’re a pussy.

 Exactly! It’s like getting upset at an episode of CSI or Doctor Who. It is kinda funny to see people riled up over this though.

LOL

Glenn “Mark” Beck

    Glenn Beck simply doesn’t seem to get it. Zeb Coulter makes people, who are conservative, who are ever so slightly like his character, not like him because they think “I’m not like this, my conservative friends aren’t like this and I don’t like this guy.” It’s like if they have a villianous Canadian, and they have him disrespect everyone or even america they don’t like them because they think “That’s not right, I’m not like that.” Simply put Zeb Coulter did his job so well that he’s getting the reaction he wanted, from people who didn’t watch the show or never have. Giving him more attention is like giving him a standing ovation.
   Oh and on a second note about being ‘miscast’, as a long-time wrestling fan it’s extremely disrespectful to call an entire group of workers and fans ‘Stupid wrestling people’ then turn around and whine about being miscast. Practice what you preach, just because you don’t like wrestling doesn’t make every fan and hard worker unintelligent.

You just described 90% of fiction-based entertainment from modern times; not exactly exclusive to pro wrestling. I take it you don’t read novels or watch movies?

youre a see-you-next-tuesday. 

Who’s Glenn Beck? is he the man with the pic’s all over the site? Never heard of him

actually i have an theory for how the big bang theory started and i watch WWE and im from the north so suck it! next i never liked you even before you called me stupid  and I called my grandma crazy straight to her face for listing to you and if you don’t like you can go cry again cuz you a little bitch. Third you make fun of jack swagger for having a REAL speech impediment are you retarded to some research before you make dumb claims O wait you don’t thats why your not on t.v anymore! Finally your so dumb you don’t realize you are a racist we all know it so stop trying to cover it up and i know the tea party is full of them to so don’t act like it’s not because your going to lie right to my face you fucking crackpot and linda mchaon doesn’t even run day to day operations so why bring her up faggo. so i guess in short your a crying little bitch that doesn’t even know what your talking about and if i ever see you in real life  i have too beat your ass twice one for you corrupting my grandmother’s mind and the other one for call me, my friend and my role model’s dumb so see ya in hell pussy

Seeing the picture of him with the cowboy attire, I think he’s a maaaaaaaaaan, a real man’s maaaaaaaaan.

Sir, you have just made an ass out of yourself. I commend you for just demonizing 14 million people who actually watch wrestling and know that is just for entertainment purposes. Your whole argument against the WWE is just pointless. Why are you getting mad over nothing Glenn? If it is so stupid then don’t comment on it or do you lack common sense? Desperation doesn’t equal more listeners/viewers. Idiotic assumptions warrant idiotic debates.

 i have a theory on how the big bang started and your saying im dumb cool i bet you can’t even figure out the theory of relativity

well if you listen to glenn beck you probably don’t understand much of anything  because he dose not make sense at all

it’s just like that totally real 9/11 conpesricay 

g

Also the fact that the WWE invited you on RAW this week and you declined shows you are more scared of the WWE universe then the debt deficit. So instead of explaining to the milions you claim are stupid, you’d rather run with your tail between your legs. Good show,sir. 

I had to look up a few of Marie’s literary references. I couldn’t recall if “brainwashed sack of crap” was a Hemingway or Melville. It’s so hard keeping up with such highly educated commenters.

haha politics define this guy’s life

Is it just me or did Glenn Beck not arouse the whole take our country back Tea party mentalist issues that he is now against because The WWE is presenting  a new character who is touting the same BS that Beck has since 2008! But now all of a sudden since being dropped by Faux news he has a heart all of a sudden! F$%K You Glen Beck!!!!!!

Can’t they just let us fans have our wrestling? I didn’t think we were hurting anyone.

As a wrestling fan for a number of years, and living in England, I think you lack understanding with what wrestling is about, and who it appeals too. You seem to believe that anyone who watches WWE is a redneck from the south of America who loves Nascar and have broken down trucks on their lawn. This is purely false. I feel this storyline is refreshing, and although slightly controversial to some Americans, the rest of the world is entertained by this.

This is not about a specific party in American government, or freeing America, or bringing in guns or whatever, it is about differences in culture and the typical racism that still occurs, not just in America, but across the world. In England, we have had many Polish, Romanians, and other east Europeans coming to England, to take jobs so they can make lots of money, to take it home again. Alternatively, they come to scam people out of their money, and steal lots of it before returning home. I watched a program about this, and it is one reason why people in the UK say things like… “I can’t find a job these days, its hard enough without all these Polish coming over”.

WWE have always made characters like this, but none as controversial as this one for a long time. I remember when The Undertaker put Steve Austin, on what looked like a cross (But was his personal Undertaker logo) and “crucified” him. Not just the WWE, but also TNA Wrestling (The number two wrestling company in America) referring to one of their stars, Jeff Hardy, as the “Anti-Christ of Professional Wrestling”, after making a major heel turn.

Books, films, entertainment programs, they have all touched on racism and naivety of other cultures at some point. It is a simple storyline gathered to make an American turn around and think … Do I do that? Do I look down on others who are not “Real Americans”?
It is difficult for the WWE, or any wrestling company to make solid heels these days, because of the internet and many other sources, as people tend to talk, a lot, and people end up cheering the bad guys, due to being really talented in the ring. Everyone knows that wrestling is fake, if you really think wrestling is real then you must be an incredible naive individual. It wouldn’t matter whether you are a redneck, someone from England, or even African (WWE has fans all over the world on every continent) if you are sucked into the fact that it is all real then you are grossly misinformed or naive.

The worst part of this is your naivety. You are just as bad as Zeb Colter. You get sucked in by a storyline, react to it, then refuse to listen to wrestling fans because “they are all dumb and probably love NASCAR”. Open your ears, listen and read what people have to say. I have been watching wrestling since I was a little kid, and yes, some of it is really below me in terms of my intellect, but that does not make me look down on others who may not be so smart, and gets sucked into the world of wrestling much easier then I do. To be honest this all sounds like you are just saying it for shock value. Just like many critics out there, you blatantly attack something to garner a reaction and bring in viewers and followers, you are doing the exact same thing as the WWE is doing. I can commend you for attempting to cause a stir in the world of wrestling, but in reality, your opinion will not get very far, as people are not offended by this.

Believe me, if people really were offended, this storyline would ended already. The WWE constantly sends out polls and researches into what their fans want, and if 90% of the world had sent them emails complaining about this storyline, it would have ended. Vince McMahon can pull a storyline at any time he pleases, he is a work horse and knows what brings in viewers and money. This gimmick (and that’s all it is, nothing more) is the beginning of something great for Jack Swagger, who was floundering around in the mid card losing to guys on a regular basis. Now the emphasis is on him to make people hate him, and with your reaction, it seems that him and Zeb have sucked you in too.

If you actually read all of this, I would be amazed. However your naivety is so great, I don’t expect you to understand a word.

From an English fan. Peace.

Glenn is being ignorant the majority of the entire discussion & he’s giving crap to a man who he assumes is being racist. 
First of all, one of your first comments was in regards to Linda McMahon. She stepped down from the WWE in 2009 so she has few(if anything) to do with the writing. 
Then I hear comments in regards to the way Zeb looks which is hypocritical to say the least. 
Not only those but when then I hear comments in regards to the WWE audience. Millions of people watch the WWE & I was hearing them basically say no one with intelligence watches the WWE. Jack Swagger graduated from the University of Oklahoma. The Rock graduated from the University of Miami. David Otunga graduated from Harvard Law. They all were fans of pro wrestling before joining in it. 
If you’re not into wrestling, that’s you. Don’t disrespect the audience but obviously you don’t know a god damn thing about them. 
You’re an idiot Glenn Beck.

Wow.
Very impressive.
I never personally attacked you but you believe it is perfectly fine to attack me?
Thank you for proving my point about Tea Partiers.

This is just amazing… I guess this makes Edward Norton a racist for acting in American History X.  Zeb Colter is: 1) A legit Vietnam Veteran and 2) A FICTIONAL CHARACTER.  And how is this Linda McMahon’s view?  She is a FORMER businesswoman for WWE, NEVER a writer.  Get your facts straight before you sling mud.  It makes the three of you look weak.

Glenn, you are stupid.  You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s
a show.

What is a tea party; a bunch of babies who sits around and complains.
Now I’m disrespecting the Tea Party, do something about it.

You
are stupid.  
What is a tea party; a bunch of babies who sits around and complains.

Beck doesn’t understand WWE.  None of them do.  If they had ANY inclination of what WWE does, they’d not make this a big topic.  WWE is SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.  They create characters to either be hated or rooted for.  It’s been going on for YEARS AND YEARS.  And the do elude to the fact that not “educated” people watch it.  Yet, many people know what WWE does.  Many know this current character is a spin on what’s going on.  It’s to insight talk and people to dislike them.  WWE makes EXTREME characters. Larger than life ones.  Beck and company do not even know the backgrounds to these wrestlers.  If they bothered doing ANY research, they’d turn around and apologize for wasting people’s time with THEIR negative spin and making this a bigger political issue than it was.  What they did do is, they made the Swagger and Zeb characters bigger.  They helped WWE by freakin on this.  And they turn down a chance to back up their words?  Go figure.  They prefer to talk behind mics about things they don’t full get and demean those that watch it as if we are idiots.  Sorry Beck and Company, we obviously get this more than you and we are NOT stupid and low quality people.  

Beck simply is making this bigger than it is.  Too personal.  Have a coke and a smile, dude.  You already wasted too many people’s time with your rants about a company and entertainment you do not understand and never watched.  You just wasted about 18 mins of your life on something you are clueless about.  And in the process, bashing those that watch it as essentially “lower life forms”.  I guess doing research into a product like WWE isn’t something you guys care to do…If you did, you might have a better understanding of how they do their characters and story arcs.  Yes, Pro Wrestling isn’t “real”…but it’s more “real” than you realize.  

Glenn @ 2.45 calling  WWE stupid really was not right. I had you on in the car and my 3 kids were in the car also and to call my kids stupid was something that I will not let go. WWE is for kids and parents who, like myself bond with my kids when we watch it. I most of the time agree with you 98% of the time. I dont take things personal, but this I did. You called kids stupid. I have thought about this for a few days and I can’t let this go. You lost me as a follower. I will not follow you, stick up for you. I have allways been a person that has challenged my friends when they called you a “A” hole. No more Glenn, will I use my radio time on you. I hope that you understand that you called kids stupid. Hope it was worth it…

Hey, anybody who doesn’t get it INCLUDING Mr. Beck should watch this video straight through. I doubt he ever reads the comment section of these articles but if he does maybe he’ll see this, if he hasn’t been made aware of it already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AJgxbQx0No

AWWWWW…Poor Becky.Can’t take when somebody uses PARODY to make fun of your splinter,radical,racist,shrill,fear inducing,BELIEVE ANY CONSPIRACY against POTUS and Democrats bunch of misfits….The Tea Party should have staid with railing against TAXES instead of getting HIGHJACKED by guys like Becky and that fat pill popper Rush Limburger….If they kept to the Taxed Enuf Already platform i would be on board…As it is they are just more over the top ridiculous entertainment

This is nothing but a fake wrestling storyline, but Beck doesn’t seem to get that. At what point did Zeb Coulter identify himself as a TEA party member in any way? He didn’t, Beck has simply jumped to his own conclusion. At what point did the WWE itself, Linda McMahon, or anyone else affiliated with them demonize the TEA party as Beck suggests? Never. At what point did Zeb Coulter profess to be a conservative for that matter? Couldn’t the character just as easily be of any other number of affiliations? Yes. 

They (The WWE) have left a bunch of blank areas so that the viewer can fill in the blanks about the character, it’s called allowing the viewer use their imagination to shape the character in their own minds. Apparently Beck and Stu took that idea to heart as they’ve cast Zeb Coulter in the role they most hate and for some reason identify with, and have went on to demonize the WWE for it. Assumptions are running wild like Hulkamania in the 80′s. 

Stu says “The villain is a stereotype of a conservative that I’ve never met”. Well Stu, maybe you should pay closer attention to the people at the TEA party rallies all across the country, because there’s tons of REAL Zeb Coulter’s attending those events proclaiming themselves to be loyal TEA party members. You can’t pick and choose your demographics, and if that’s what is showing up to your events, and that’s who is claiming to be on your team, that is a part of your demographics whether you’ve met them or not.

The WWE hasn’t wronged anyone here and neither has the guy playing Zeb Coulter. They aren’t miscasting you, they aren’t making anything harder on you or your beliefs, they’re not mocking you, and odds are you never entered their thoughts when they came up with the Zeb Coulter character, don’t give yourself so much credit you aren’t THAT big of a deal. 

Isn’t Beck the one miscasting people here as he refers to the “WWE People” like some class of citizen beneath him? And isn’t he the one stereotyping that audience with his assumptions of who and what they are made up of? Here’s a newsflash Beck, the WWE attracts fans from all walks of life from all around the world. The WWE Universe (It’s fan base) isn’t a miscast group of stereotypical individuals, and I highly doubt the “WWE People” as you call them feel miscast by the WWE, or that they’ve been wronged in any way. That’s because at the very minimum most fans realize it’s just a storyline with a fake wrestling character meant to stir up animosity towards them which actually HELPS the guy he represents. You don’t know anything about the wrestling business though so you don’t seem to get that or how it works. You take it too seriously and end up offending millions of people that have nothing to do with you or your political agendas.

What the WWE is making a villain of are racists, bigots, and zealots. Too close to the mark for you Beck?

*sigh*  When are people going to “get it?”  WWE is an entertainment based company.  They entertain.  Put on a show.  Much like that TV show you watch or movie you went out and watched.. it’s not REAL.  It’s entertainment.  If you don’t like WWE’s form of entertainment.. it’s really, really simple.. DON’T WATCH IT.  I’m sure it might be a total shock to the entire world (bunch of stupids), but WWE, like everyone on the freaking planet, can’t guarantee satisfaction 100%.  Some people will like it’s form of entertainment.  Some won’t.  Life goes on.. and so will WWE.

I’d actually like to thank you, Glenn.  Jack Swagger was a character I found dreadfully stale and boring and I felt WWE was making a huge mistake pushing him to the World Heavyweight Title at Wrestlemania.  Then your little rant caught fire and now I’m actually INTERESTED in seeing what happens with him for the first time.. EVER!  Kudos to you for increasing the WWE’s entertainment value for me.  Bonus:  They are going to slam the heck out of you Monday night rather you show up or not.  More entertainment for me!

Glenn and his band of retards gets punked and as true to form, turn into cry babies. I hope you have the waaaaahmbulance on speed dial.

It’s not parody when you insert beliefs that aren’t already there. Parody is about exaggeration.
Well sorry folks, you can’t insert racism without revealing that you believe tea partiers to be racist. And when they added that Gadsen flag and it’s obvious what the WWE is doing.  To protest that they aren’t is being disingenuous. What else could they mean by saying ‘people who don’t look like me?’

‘We don’t mean to imply that yer stupid redneck racist tea partiers’.  Excuse me, yes you do.

Beck has a right to be offended, and i daresay so do a lot of other people. My son and husband watch the WWE together and I can predict that is going to change. People have a right to support or not support whatever entertainment as they see fit. So if you don’t see a problem with this, continue to watch.

I have a problem and will act accordingly. Beck will do whatever he does.

If the shoe fits…

Koch brothers and dick armey. It wasn’t “grass roots” it was Astro turfing by billionaires. And guess what? You all vote republican anyway so why the need for a separate fake movement?

Wow Glenn Beck you are an idiot! I suppose you criticize Anthony Hopkins for eating brains. “Oh wait, but that was a movie.” Exactly! This is a storyline!!! You people have no idea what you’re talking about so keep your fucking mouths shut and go back to your little political world. It’s people like you that are the first to point out wrestling is fake, but when they do a storyline like this, you’re the first to get all worked up about it. I know you’ll never understand pro wrestling and no explanation will ever do, so I’ll just let you get back to your miserable life. I used to have some respect for you. Now I have zero. Fuck you!

How ignorant is Glenn Beck! Firstly it’s a TV show, much like any other show so no it is not spewing an agenda. The good guy, has the opposite view so why don’t you highlight him! Secondly calling all WWE fans stupid. 

Well one of the Wrestlers “David Otunga” is a real life Havard Law School graduate. And Zeb Coulter, in real life is a Vietnam Vet. So way to be ignorant dicks.
Why don’t you talk about the real life people that have these disgusting views, instead of a TV character who is meant to be highlighting this and showing you that people have these views.

You sir, are a moron

 Between the Glenn Beck internet TV show, Real News from the Blaze, Wi!kow , Glenn Beck Radio, the Pat & Stu show, the Stu & Pat show, the Stu show, the Pat show, Liberty Outhouse, Interdependence USA, ETC; who has time for novels and movies ??

I get all the enlightenment and entertainment I can stand from the Blaze.com 

 Let us know when you figure out grammar and spelling.

News Flash: Wrestling is fake. It’s like a Soap Opera with more body slams and submission holds. It’s telling a story with GOOD GUYS and BAD GUYS.

This is no different than when Sgt. Slaughter “supported” Iraq during the Iraq War. It’s done for entertainment purposes, to make one side the protagonist, and the other side the antagonist. It’s done to create a narrative of triumph and defeat, good overcoming bad, bad overcoming good with sneaky underhanded tactics, and DRAMA!

Just hard to believe Glenn is trying to turn this into some CONSPIRACY. But, this is Glenn Beck, so obviously I was giving him too much credit. 

^^^ They don’t get it x3

Yay you’re pissed off, that’s what a “bad guy” is supposed to do! They arn’t saying all people with those values are like Zeb, they are saying a few are, and thats why you hate the GUY, not a whole group… the same as big boss man back in the day, a corrupt cop character! now are all cops corrupt? HELL NO! but some are, and that REALITY made bossman more hate-able. same with Zeb, saddly there ARE people that think like him, and that REALITY makes him more hatable. you all admit yourselves you DONT watch the product, so about 10 seconds in you admit that anything else said in this vid is moot

No sir, I was there. It wasn’t the Koch brothers, or Dick Armey. I was there!

Glenn don’t you understand that the WWE & Linda is working you and getting tons of money for all of this.  It’s all a ratings game.

Come on the show Mr. Beck. There are a lot of security there to protect you from idiot fans and projectiles from the stands are limited to plastic cups and expensive cameras. You, a fellow idiot, should be happy to talk to the million AND MILLIONS of “idiots” in the WWE Universe. Your listeners are dumber than the WWE fans you call “idiot” so come on! Do it!

Are you offended that Beck called your husband and son “stupid”?

First off Glenn, you know absolutely nothing about wrestling or their fan base. There are almost as many left wing wrestling fans as right wing wrestling fans. Why? Because it is a show for everyone, their characters are created to tap into any and all possible viewers. They have white viewers, black viewers, spanish viewers, chinese, japanese, and many, many more, but you don’t know that at all. College graduates watch it, non-college graduates watch it. It is not something that is only for stupid country folk. Now when they make a show they create characters, that are normally a caricature for something. What does that mean? That means they take a concept and make fun of it or paragon it. 

Now as far you claiming you don’t know any Tea Party people who speak or have said those things, I have met a lot of them who say things similar to what the WWE has said. There are entire websites of people speaking in similar terms, just because you haven’t seen or dealt with them doesn’t mean they don’t exist  Now, you don’t like people that make those claims that the character Zeb was making, right? Well neither do I, we both think it is stupid and useless claims, but here is the part you are missing, since you are not a fan nor have you ever watched the show. 

Wrestling isn’t just two guys or girls jumping into a ring, putting on a perform of violence. There are story lines, and like any good story you have Protagonists (we call them Faces) and Antagonists (we call them heels). Zeb is a heel character, you are suppose to hate him, you are suppose to think he is stupid and brash because they are villains  They aren’t a political statement they are portraying people that everyone can agree is a jackass. 

Now, maybe you still don’t get that, well get this they have for years touched on every major political concept and social trend for the last 2 decades. They have made fun of liberals (they have a fake Bill Clinton at one of their Pay Per Views hitting on some blonde bimbo, for example), mentally ill (They have had several characters who have faked serious mental illnesses from schizophrenia to multiple personality disorder) LGBT (Characters who treaded on odd sexual natures). The list goes on and on, but of course you don’t know this because you never watched the show.

There is a great deal of word that goes into creating a story and keeping it interesting Beck. If you want to think your opinion on something that you know nothing about actually should matter, maybe you should learn what you are talking about before you go running your mouth. Just because someone is making fun of something YOU like doesn’t make it wrong. I am not telling you to like it, but I am telling you to not all of a sudden jump into it like you have some clue what is going on here because you don’t. You know what they say about people who assume don’t you because you just made one of yourself in this article.

As a pro wrestling fan I LOVE this “Angle” they are doing I encourage you to DO YOUR RESEARCH ON PRO WRESTLING, before getting this much media attention, You’re basically saying we wwe fans are tired of it? HELL NO! We are not tired of it! Jack Swagger is getting the best “heat” he’s every got and at Wrestlemania the LATINO hero , is gonna kick his a$$ and all the fans will pay to watch that match and Vince Mcmahon will roll in that money. 
Stop being such a grouch, maybe watch the entire segments, don’t think of it as a political thing , think of it as entertainment that MILLIONS love. 

If Glenn had balls he’d accept the offer made by the WWE and show up to Monday Night Raw and voice his opinion in front of the audience he’s insulting.  But he won’t, he wouldn’t feel safe, it’s a live audience, on TV, during prime time, something he’s not used to.  Wouldn’t want to embarass himself.  What he will do is stay in his studio, continue to degrade millions of fans he knows nothing about and hope it does something, garner hit for his website and his radio show. After all, controversy creates cash….

I have a feeling this Glenn Beck guy would shoot me in my face if I simply didn’t agree with him.

Oh Mr.Beck how are you so blind when it comes to this. And keep in mind this is coming from one of the “Stupid” wrestling fans. Now as a person who has grown up with the sport of professional wrestling i know the whole its fake thing. Yeah the story line is fake, still the chance of getting hurt. 

WWE is a entertainment company,  hence World Wrestling “Entertainment”…now comparing NASCAR to wrestling, you just can’t do that. NASCAR is not staged. And has a a segment every day on ESPN, even they acknowledge WWE occasionally. What im getting at is WWE is a glorified soap opera, kinda like the Harlem Globetrotters. 

Now with the story line with Zeb Colter and Jack Swagger it has already be done. As are most of WWE’s story lines. Lets go back in time, around 1991-92 period, Sgt.Slaughter a All American American served in the US military, he turns on America and joins The Iron Sheik whos nationality is middle eastern. We all know what happened in the 90′s so it set up a story line with Slaughter and The Immortal Hulk Hogan. Now as all marketing and studies go, a company will do what the customer, in this case the viewer wants. So having Hogan beat Slaughter was WWE’s then WWF, victory for the everyday American wrestling fan over the middle east. And with this new story line WWE is taking a common concern for everyday Americans, not Harvard Scholars, or political figures, and im sure if WWE went out and asked President Obama would come back to WWE television. and back to the scholars, Damien Sandow is a Harvard Scholar in the story line. 

Now Mr.Beck for you to knock something as simple as a antagonizing story line for a TV show, it just goes to prove you have nothing else better to do. back a few years ago JBL which is John  Layfield a respected businessman was doing boarder patrol. Goes back to the recycling story lines. And WWE appeals to all audiences, mainly everyday Americans, who I am sure has lost respect in you just like i have. To attack a company over something fake, just goes to show how good a actor Zeb Colter and Jack Swagger, and the WWE creative team really is. To make someone who knows its fake to believe in it. This will not change my weekly viewing of the program inf-act its only going to make me watch it more.

Believe it or not, Glen Beck is no idiot…he knows he would get eaten alive on Raw. He couldn’t draw 14 million viewers if he offered to hand out tax breaks to viewers. Who is he kidding? Glen Beck is a mouth and that’s all. Wrestling is REAL…Glen Beck is FAKE!

You’re not smart now your going to be very popular in the worst way.

I really can’t wait until WWE absolutely shits on you. If you’re really standing up for what you think is right, then go to WWE, take the 5 minute time slot that they gave you, and share your opinion with the world. If you’re just gonna cower behind your desk like a little caitiff, then go ahead, all it will get you is infamy.

Glenn @ 2.45 calling WWE stupid really was not right. I had you on in the car and my 3 kids were in the car also and to call my kids stupid was something that I will not let go. WWE is for kids and parents who, like myself bond with my kids when we watch it. I most of the time agree with you 98% of the time. I dont take things personal, but this I did. You called kids stupid. I have thought about this for a few days and I can’t let this go. You lost me as a follower. I will not follow you, stick up for you. I have allways been a person that has challenged my friends when they called you a “A” hole. No more Glenn, I will not use my radio time on you any more. I hope that you understand that you called kids stupid. Hope it was worth it…

There’s a difference between reality and entertainment Glenn.

Glenn Beck losing subscriber after subscriber by the hour

What I don’t like about the wwe is the dummies who support it and will encourage their kids to react to a supposedly Vietnam veteran. The war ended in 1975 (the US left in 1973). That’s 35 years ago, and even the youngest kid to be sent at 16 years old would be 51 today.

Why are you not telling your kids no 51 yo is going to be jumping into a ring unless his opponent is 51 or older?

What Glenn Beck needs to Understand, WE THE PEOPLE understand entertainment from reality, Glenn WE THE PEOPLE ask of you to stop trying to make everything about you it makes you a villain, if you want to be a villain in the WWE just ask! 

Well, to be fair, the WWE audience are mostly conservative in nature.  I watch it every now and than, and occasionally, when Obama was brought up by them, the audience mostly booed at Obama’s name.  As far as this latest persona is concerned, I really don’t know what to make of it.  Knowing the WWE, who don’t take criticism well to begin with, they will likely push him off camera sooner than later.  The last several years, the WWE has done a lot to try to sway against controversy, so I really don’t see this latest storyline lasting.

OK, no offense, but what you just stated here was naive and stupid.  It’s not just 12 year old boys and adults of low intelligence who find it entertaining.  Adults of HIGH intelligence and women find it entertaining as well.  In fact, professional wrestling is the main reason the USA network has been on top in cable ratings for several years straight.  As a fan of professional wrestling myself, I do hate the WWE’s current character, and they are a far cry from what they used to be back in their WWF days.

However, to say its fans have low intelligence tells me that YOU have low intelligence.  Professional wrestling fans are a lot smarter than you give them credit for, most of them anyway.

Thing is you are NOT a free thinking troll, lol.  You let MSNBC and Media Matters do your thinking for you.  We conservatives, on the other hand, can actually think for themselves.

Yeah, they did.  The team didn’t last though, lol.  The crowd ate it up but spit it out rather quickly.

Well, to be fair, in the world of professional wrestling, a lot of conservatives played the good guy on one occasion or two.  Look at conservative wrestlers like Sting, Shawn Michaels, and Triple H.  Of course, Shawn Michaels and Triple H had their heal moments too.  Heck, even the Big Show was a face for most of his career, and he’s a conservative as well.  Professional wrestling is about story telling.  Nothing more.

I wouldn’t go that far.  Wrestling fans, even WWE fans, actually do lean right for the most part.  Obama’s name gets mentioned once, and arenas will be filled with the sound of boos by WWE fans.  I’ve seen it happen on several occasions, lol.  Your average, every day WWE fan absolutely hates Obama and what he stands for.  Of course, that’s not true of all fans.  Just the average fan.

he’s really overreacting to a fictional tv show that’s like getting mad at family guy for making fun of GAYS

it’s called a storyline you mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfHJjS_o0Co

Here’s Zeb Coulter’s response. Please listen to it, digest it, and then do everybody a favor and please shut the hell up.

And your point is what?
Mary

How is it that the ‘stupid wrestling’ people understand that this is entertainment, hence the phrase “sports entertainment”, yet the supposed intellectuals can’t grasp the concept of “good guy, bad guy”? I would consider myself a conservative, but I can also understand that this is a type of performance art. Jack Swagger/Zeb Colter are characters and employees of the WWE, and their job, as ‘heels’ (bad guys) is to draw the ire of fans, which apparently, they do fairly well. Why not get offended at Saturday Night Live’s portrayals of political figures and issues? It’s essentially the same thing.  Regardless, though, in the end, who cares? It’s not real. Get over it. The WWE is it’s own universe. If you get offended, don’t watch, simple as that. If you’re uneducated about the WWE or professional wrestling in general, keep your mouth shut, though, because you wouldn’t want to sound like a ‘stupid’ wrestling person.

That would be 38 years ago.

I am a WWE Fan and die hard Republican-Conservative.  With all due RESPECT it is a TV Character. Wrestling/WWE has done this before.  IE 1990-1991 They turned Sgt. Slaughter who is 100% American! They had him an Iraqi Sympathizer. It is all a show. So you don’t like it don’t watch. I don’t like MSNBC so I don’t watch it.  

 I am a WWE Fan and die hard Republican-Conservative.  With all due
RESPECT it is a TV Character. Wrestling/WWE has done this before.  IE
1990-1991 They turned Sgt. Slaughter who is 100% American! They had him
an Iraqi Sympathizer. It is all a show. So you don’t like it don’t
watch. I don’t like MSNBC so I don’t watch it.  

O.M.A.

What has happened is Glenn misjudged his audience.
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The core of my post was that assumptions were made of a large segment of W.W.E.’s audience.
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Glenn’s alluding regional, cultural proclivities; grossly underestimating the intelligence of millions and as a consequence, patriotism of that audience in addition to the object of his ire-was a miscalculation.

Mary

I was not talking about the fans.

You’re not miscast, you’re proving that Tea party is full of morons.They are just characters. You don’t even have the grapefruits to defend your position on Raw. So why don’t you just shut up and grow a pair.

In the 60′s, anti-whites FORCED ALL and only white countries to open their borders to massive non-white immgration. Then anti-whites FORCED ALL and only white people to “integrate” or face consequences for being “naziswhowantokill6millionjews.” Now anti-whites are celebrating the coming white minorities and extinction status EVERYWHERE. It’s genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

You don’t like MSNBC, so you don’t like the truth

He didn’t respond to the question Mr. Beck raised.  Instead it was hyperbole and Saul Alinsky tactics of belittling the questioner. With no doubt this character goes beyond WWE entertainment tactics.  It is a direct hit at conservatives claiming it is “just entertainment” and “you should know the difference between reality and make believe.” Anyone with some psychological education knows this kind of “entertainment” leaves an image in the client’s imagination.  From this point it is easier politically to demonize persons who are associated with the original character.  Senator McCartney was hit in this way through Hollywood movies about “evil” politicians using their power to harass, or worse, “innocent activists” who were working for the public good.  From this point it was much easier for Democrat leadership and Marxists in universities to destroy the Senator.  (Note Bobby Kennedy was a big McCartney supporter until the Hollywood/Media/ embedded communist machine went to work. 

   Why not have the character be a Democrat low information voter who spouts off Obama talking points all day as the bad guy?  Why not a racist member of the Black Panthers?  A marxist university professor?  How about his a Gay Hollywood Director who wipes his lips coming into the ring and comments about the young hopeful actor he just had his way with?   Too much in the face of Liberalism.  Imagine how the MSM would go off if this happened.  Better to hit the soft target and have the MSM on board with it.  

actually wwe viewers skew liberal while company employees such as vince and linda skew conservative.

also ANYONE who gets angry over this ANGLE/STORYLINE is a complete MARK, as this is the reaction they want, they want people to get angry and for this ANGLE to get publicity, hopefully for brand awareness and most importantly money. Besides race angles are nothing new in wrestling has seen soviet sympathizers, nazis, sterotyped asians, and bigots who hate black. This is done to draw HEAT from the crowd and hopefully money. If this angle totally stunk it would have been DROPPED and still might be

And more the wrestler involved in this ANGLE was arrested on tuesday night on a dui charge and was most likely going to be taken OFF TV, but then glenn beck talked about them and gave them publicity.

lastly everyone who buys and watches glenn beck are complete MARKS

Glen, I’m a republican, over 50 years old, who supports many of the issues the tea party does, but who is also a WWE wrestling fan. When I watched the scenario you are talking about, live, I did not take it as a slam against the tea party.  I took it as trying to give the wrestler heat.  If you watch it is not what he said but how he says it that enables him to produce such heat.  If you watch WWE they cover all areas on the left and right in an entertaining way.  Take it as such and get onto more important issues.  I care more about the DUI Jack just got than the character he is trying to play.

 LOL mary my my what is your point>?  WWE Sucks.  that’s all.

They’re topical characters.  I’m a mature, educated, conservative, well-read adult, and I am a pro wrestling fan.  I even like Glenn Beck, about 80% of the time.  These new WWE characters don’t bother me one bit.  It’s funny.  Period.

For WWE’s response, check out this video: http://www.wwe.com/shows/outside-the-ring/wwe-invites-glenn-beck-to-appear-on-raw-26093818

Otherwise, I would urge Beck and the ignorant posters to please stop with the overarching generalizations about wrestling fans and chastising of this company.  It’s entertainment: take it or leave it.  I’m not going to get into a drawn-out argument about the merits of pro wrestling, but all I know it’s a hell of a lot safer to watch than many shows out there right now, whether they be crime, drama, reality, or even some sitcoms.

If you think I’m dumb for this point of view, that tells me everything I need to know about you.  Get over yourselves with this fake outrage about these television characters and grow secure enough with yourself to accept that some educated adults are pro wrestling fans.

I will not be revisiting this post because I retired getting in “back-and-forths” on boards/comments long ago, but hopefully those of you that are fair-minded find my post refreshing.  Also, thanks to those who have previously posted in support of WWE and against Beck’s misguided statements.

 Glenn Beck, you are a stupid faggot. The end.

Jack Swagger won’t be taken off TV. WWE go full force with this angle know and ride the free pub Glen”the idiot” Beck gave them. Look for the WWE to make Beck look like an even bigger moron than he already is Monday Night

  actually
i have an theory for how the big bang theory started and i watch WWE
and im from the north so suck it! next i never liked you even before you
called me stupid  and I called my grandma crazy straight to her face
for listing to you and if you don’t like you can go cry again cuz you a
little bitch. Third you make fun of jack swagger for having a REAL
speech impediment are you retarded to some research before you make dumb
claims O wait you don’t thats why your not on t.v anymore! Finally your
so dumb you don’t realize you are a racist we all know it so stop
trying to cover it up and i know the tea party is full of them to so
don’t act like it’s not because your going to lie right to my face you
fucking crackpot and linda mchaon doesn’t even run day to day operations
so why bring her up faggo. so i guess in short your a crying little
bitch that doesn’t even know what your talking about and if i ever see
you in real life  i have too beat your ass twice one for you corrupting
my grandmother’s mind and the other one for call me, my friend and my
role model’s dumb so see ya in hell pussy

Dejonn

I have a theory if you will…
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Years ago we had concrete heroes in our lexicon- John Wayne, Audie Murphy, Steve McQueen, Paul Neuman, Humphrey Bogart, Clint Eastwood and even others such as Capt. Kirk of the Star Trek series and Star Wars…

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What do we have now? I contend we have a systematic deconstructing of our iconic heroes and as a consequence our past.

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You see it in the dissemination of our Presidents, their historical significance to the continuity of our Republic.

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If we don’t have a visual, contextual, written, let alone entertainment value added to our history- where does that leave us, and what do we have to
draw upon as youths besides what our parents have conceptualized to us?

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W.W.E. is just one mechanism / avenue to accomplish such. If millions understand this concept of “right vs. wrong” why attempt to marginalize it?

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What is the point of negating millions who do enjoy this form of entertainment and the message it sends to millions of children worldwide and adults? It reinforces American ideology and sends powerful messages of what each of us know in our hearts is the correct stance to take?

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Good vs, evil. It’s an age old fight from time immortal.

Mary

LOL You suck, bitch!

Glenn Beck…enjoy your 15 mins of fame thanks to the writers of the WWE.  Funny how it’s for bashing so called hard working, tax paying, so called  ”Stupid People” that your gonna be noticed for. So biggot, sensational story runner, over opinionated radio jock, and now famous for being an idiot and not getting it fool, sit back and enjoy the only interest anyone will ever have in you. 

CLICK. thats the sound of me turning the dial on your radio show. long time listener, first time dial changer. good job biggot. “stupid people”, “picking on a man with a very thick lisp”, “Don’t tread on me – long before tea party stole it as a slogan”. Thanks Glenn – Goodbye.   

Making too much of a great storyline. Think of this as a movie or t.v. show. This is fake, means nothing. It’s just being used to create ‘heat’. Looks like it’s working.     :^)

who the hell does Glenn Beck think he is…I am big a wwe fan and we are not stupid people Screw you Glenn beck you deserve to get your ass kicked!!! Go Root in Hell

Glenn Beck. Relax.  It’s pro wrestling.  Also known as fiction.  You are a mark for them.  And they’ll ride you all the way to the carnival entrance without you ever knowing you’re carrying them.  Don’t think you won’t?  You’ve already dedicated 17 minutes to promoting the WWE.  And there’s more to come.

Strange how ballsy Beck is behind his microphone, tucked away in his little studio, yet when it comes time to stand behind something he said, he tucks his tail between his legs and runs. Not only has the WWE offered Beck 5 minutes to explain his comments about the “stupid wrestling people” on a cable network (which is more than he’s getting nowadays), but also a chance to interview with one of the broadcasters to explain his inflammatory and, IMO, hypocritical statements about the WWE and it’s viewers. Strange.

Uh-oh … WWE sounding hilarious … must resist … first-ever urge to watch.

Still though. I wouldn’t go that far. Wrestling has a lot of people with several beliefs. I know of several wrestlers, as well, who happen to lean right. Many of them happen to be some of the biggest names in the business, like Sting and even Triple H. Heck, Sting left professional wrestling for a while to fulfill some of his Christian beliefs.

I don’t see how Beck underestimated the intelligence of millions of people. He was actually quite accurate with his description of most who watch professional wrestling. Just as Beck said, most wrestling fans are not those who live in the northeast like New York. Most wrestling fans actually do happen to be like those in the midwest. That was Beck’s allusion, and that allusion is actually spot on. I’ve watched enough of professional wrestling myself to realize that.

True enough.

“Just as Beck said, most wrestling fans are not those who live in the northeast like New York. Most wrestling fans actually do happen to be like those in the midwest.”

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“Like those in the (M)idwest,” please expand on what you define as “like those,” One Man Army- and I do know who you are- so be honest.

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You also did not address: ” You’re mocking me for standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America? You’re mocking me for standing up for law and order? Equal justice under the law? Equal justice. I’ve been that my whole life. You’re mocking me for standing up for the same principles and values that Martin Luther King stood up for?”

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My retort: “Yes, Glenn. You have a history of picking and choosing parts of the Constitution that serve your interests. The “birther” controversy.
Your support and endorsement for ineligible candidates for President and V.P. – Marco Rubio, Governor Bobby Jindahl.
Your refusal to answer why you tell others to stop with the “birther” issue.”

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A position YOU also supported.

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Re: any person born within our borders is “Natural born.” That would suggest if Osama bin Laden were born here and not just educated here-he is eligible.

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Mary

Yeah, uhm, mainly because the US Supreme Court, the United States Congress, AND the Constitution ALL clearly state that ANY and ALL persons born with the United States, no matter the birthplace of their parents, IS a “Natural Born” citizen. You see, there’s this thing called Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code. It defines who is a United States citizen at birth. It even uses the terms “United States citizen at birth.” Don’t know if you are aware of this, but EVERY SINGLE time those terms are used, EVERY SINGLE time, they mean “natural born citizens.” A “citizen of the United States at birth” IS a “natural born citizen.”

Now, since the very first definition of a “natural born citizen” in Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code states that you are natural born as long as you are born in the United States and are subject to United States jurisdiction, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOUR PARENTS WERE BORN, ALL you have to do to be a natural born citizen of the United States is be born here and be subject to this country’s jurisdiction. That is a United States law according to the United States Constitution, United States Supreme Court, and United States Congress. Anybody who argues against that very fact is a nut case who does actually know what the US Constitution, and by the very same token, US Law itself says. Read what defines a “natural born citizen” under Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US code will you. It gives 8 definitions of “natural born citizen.” The citizenship of the parents matter ONLY when you are NOT born in the United States and are NOT subject to United States jurisdiction. Even in that case, ONLY one parent needs to be a United States citizen if they have lived in the United States for at least five years.

Regardless of that though, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Beck supposedly insulting the intelligence of those who watch professional wrestling. From what I’ve seen, those who watch profession wrestling actually ARE like the majority who live in the midwest and who ACTUALLY understand the United States Constitution.

Now, why you crazies keep insisting that your parents MUST be born in the US in order for you to be “natural born” is beyond crazy. The 14th Amendment to the constitution made it clear when it stated, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” The Supreme Court defined in further in cases such as Lynch v. Clarke in 1844 where these 2 statements were made by the court: “Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.” “Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.” That case was THE precedent case for ALL later cases. That EXACT same conclusion was reached to in the case of In re Look Tin Sing in 1884 when the court stated, “After an exhaustive examination of the law, the Vice-Chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.” The same conclusion was also reached United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898. In EVERY case thereafter, the Supreme Court has ALWAYS upheld that EVERY person born in the United States and subject to US jurisdiction, REGARDLESS OF THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE PARENTS, is a NATURAL BORN citizen. And yes, the Supreme Court has used both “natural born citizen” and “citizen of the United States at birth” to mean the EXACT SAME thing. In fact, they used both terms interchangeably. Now, the United States Congress took it yet further when they SPECIFICALLY define what makes one a natural born citizen, a power SPECIFICALLY granted to Congress by the power of the United States Constitution, when they defined what makes one a “citizen of the United States at birth,” which again is the SAME EXACT thing as “natural born citizen,” when they gave us Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code.

Now, I highly advise you to actually do some real research on the US Constitution and US Constitutional Law before replying back because it is not Beck who insulted the intelligence of the WWE audience here. It just happens to be YOU who insulted the intelligence of those who actually STUDIED and TRULY uphold the US Constitution.

Oh, by the way, Marco Rubio was born in Miami, Florida and is subject to United States jurisdiction. According to the United States Constitution, United States Supreme Court, and United States Congress, that ALONE makes him an eligible candidate for President and Vice President.

Bobby Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and is subject to United States jurisdiction. According to the United States Constitution, United States Supreme Court, and the United States Congress, that ALONE makes him an eligible candidate for President and Vice President.

These are DOCUMENTED FACTS, son. DOCUMENTED by our very own constitution and backed up by both the Supreme Court and United States Congress. It’s been documented since 1844. Now, please. Enough of your upholding the Constitution nonsense because I actually know more of the US Constitution than you do. If you cannot accept a simple fact that was upheld in a case 170 years ago, and cited as precedent in EVERY SINGLE case since, there’s nothing more that can be said about you besides how crazy you actually are.

In short, I will say this. I support that position because the United States Constitution supports that position by the 14th Amendment. I support that position because the United States Supreme Court supports that position in EVERY SINGLE case they have EVER done regarding “natural born citizenship” even since the 1844 court case precedent. I support that position because the United States Congress supported the position by ACTUALLY DEFINING IT as such in Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code where they used their Constitutionally given power to define what makes one “natural born” and than differentiated them from the “nationals” as defined in Section 1408 of Title 8 of the US Code. Please, study up on the Law of the Land for once, will you.

Wow, OneManArmy

“In short, I will say this.”
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It took 3 long posts on the same subject consisting of God knows how many words to confirm in my mind YOU haven’t a leg to stand on.

Hmm? To quote a friend of yours
that says it best:
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“Another common argumentation technique is–”argument by gibberish” (bafflement) Also known as–”argument by volume.” The problem with “volume” is that it allows one’s opponent, (me) to compare and contrast your argument’s substance with procedure, meaning the mechanics of argumentation and debate?”
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Purveyor (2013)

I’ll be addressing your points using actual Constitutional points- later today.

Mary

It’s quite obvious One Man Army does not believe in the principles of original intent by his favoring of erroneous case law instead.
 
“On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of
trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:449

OMA’s interpretation of the 14th Amendment is so far off the mark he makes the same arguments as a progressive liberal (this is a repeating pattern with him). No where does the 14th Amendment address “natural born citizen” and further more does not grant the Court the power to reinterpret or redefine Rights. By making his profane argument in favor of the misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, he is arguing for a strong centralized government with no State’s Rights. Which is neither Conservative or Constitutional.

 Interesting how he argues in favor of allowing governments to change the definition of words in order to subvert the Constitution. Fortunately for us, it requires an Amendment to change the eligibility clause for President in the United States Constitution, not just a simple majority of corrupt politicians and some useful idiots who help spread misinformation and disinformation about the true definition of “natural born Citizen”.

What a strange and irrational thought process he has. Is it any wonder why this country is in the mess it’s in with conversive thinkers like OMA running around with his RINO talking points?

ONE_MAN_ARMY

In that spirit of not under-estimating our readers intelligence, (as you have) and your tactics to undermine my contextual and Constitutional merits on the eligibility of Rubio, etc.,:

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For you readers who truly wish to be educated in our Founders and the future our country, please refer to a true Constitutional lawyer- an easy read:

http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/

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Mary

Sorry, the one who hasn’t a leg to stand on is you. NOTHING I said was gibberish, lol. Everything is stated, and I mean EVERYTHING, is backed up by the US Constitution, US Supreme Court, and US Congress.

Address my points using actual Constitution points all you want. Fact is, you will FAIL to do so because I backed up my points using that very Constitution already. NOTHING in our US Constitution goes against a single thing I said.

I’m NOT the one under-estimating our readers’ intelligence here. YOU are by outright lying about what our founding fathers actually believed. Yes, I am undermining your contextual and Constitutional merits on the eligibility of Rubio, etc. because you are WRONG, PERIOD. The US Constitution says you are wrong. The US Supreme Court says you are wrong. The US Congress says you are wrong. That’s three federal pieces of authority that ALL agree you are wrong, lol.

Seriously? Come on now. You reference a site that says subjects are not citizens. LOL That’s called a weak straw man, dear. Of course, subjects are citizens. Opening up a dictionary will tell you that. And then you use the Law of Nations? News flash, the Law of Nations is NOT the US constitution and many of our founding fathers actually DISAGREED with the part of Law of Nations pertaining to one’s natural born citizenship. Did certain aspects of the Law of Nations influence our founding fathers? Of course. Did our founding fathers agree with everything in the Law of Nations? Absolutely NOT. The Law of Nations is NOT as binding as our US Constitution. Our Constitution is clear. ANYONE born in the United States and subject to United States jurisdiction IS a natural born citizen, REGARDLESS OF THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE PARENTS. That is what the US Constitution says on the matter. That is what the US Supreme Court says on the matter, using those EXACT words no less. That is what the US Congress says on the matter, and they were given the power to define by the US Constitution itself.

For those who truly wish to be educated in our Founders and the future of our country, please refer to what our founding fathers ACTUALLY SAID THEMSELVES IN THEIR OWN WORDS, lol. Take these words from Hamilton to Madison for instance: “No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.” Look. No mention whatsoever of the birthplace of the parents, lol.

Not to mention the lies characterized by that site. For instance, that site mentioned Bret Baier didn’t know what he was talking about when Baier stated that “Congress may define (and presumably redefine, from time to time) terms in the Constitution by means of law.” Thing is, Congress actually CAN define, and presumably redefine, what makes one a natural born citizen. That power is SPECIFICALLY granted to the United States Congress by the United States Constitution. Look no further than article 1, Section 8, which grants Congress that Constitutional power.

Now, again I say, stop perpetuating your fraud of upholding the US Constitution when you don’t even understand what the US Constitution and what our founding fathers actually meant.

Vae Victis, you are wrong.  I actually DO believe in the principles of original intent.  That is why I actually used the words of the actual US Constitution and our founding fathers, lol.  And favoring erroneous case law.  Not by a long shot.  I favor THE Law, period.

And no, my interpretation of the 14th Amendment id dead on the mark.  You see, it actually DOES address natural born citizen when it differentiates those born here and those naturalized here.  The Court is NOT redefining or reinterpreting Rights.  They are defining and interpreting the Rights already there.  My argument is in NO way in favor of a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. My argument is the very definition of the 14th Amendment.  In NO way is it arguing for a strong centralized government.  It is arguing for the separation of powers our founding fathers originally intended.

I have NEVER argued in favor of allowing governments to change the definition of words.  In actuality, you crazies are.  I am arguing that the definitions of words remain AS THEY ARE and do NOT change, lol.  You guys are the ones playing semantics here, NOT me.  Your side is the side saying subjects are different from citizens.  Your side is the one claiming that “citizen of the United States at birth” means something different from “natural born citizen.”

You are right on one thing, however.  Fortunately, it requires an Amendment to change the eligibility clause for President in the United States Constitution, not just a simple majority of corrupt politicians and some useful idiots who help spread misinformation and disinformation about the true definition of “natural born Citizen”.  If you want the eligibility clause in the US Constitution to mean ONLY those born in this country TO CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, than maybe you should push for that Amendment.  As it stands now, the US Constitution, the US Supreme Court, and the US Congress ALL agree that “any person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION OF THE PARENTS, IS a natural born citizen.”  Now, do you know what “REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION OF THE PARENTS” means?  That is the ruling of the Supreme Court.  Do you know WHY the 14th Amendment differentiated between those BORN in this country and those NATURALIZED in this country?  Do you know WHY Congress set up the very definition of “natural born citizen” using Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code?  If you want the interpretation of “natural born citizen” to change, you need to push for that Amendment to change it because as it stands now, the US Constitution is clear that ALL persons born in the US and subject to the US, REGARDLESS OF THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE PARENTS, IS AT BIRTH a natural born citizen.

NOTHING about my thought process is irrational.  I used ACTUAL DOCUMENTED FACTS from the US Constitution itself, from the Supreme Court, and even from Congress who was specifically granted the power to define what makes one “natural born,” to back it up.  And RINO talking points?  Please.  My talking points are those of a TRUE Conservative who actually understands what our US Constitution and our founding fathers who created it actually meant.  Your talking points are those of a nut case who picks and chooses parts of the US Constitution while ignoring other parts of it entirely and holding the Law of Nations up on a higher pedestal than the US Constitution.  Forgive me if I actually consider the US Constitution to be THE Law of the Land.  Forgive me if I actually hold the US Constitution in a higher regard than the Law of Nations.

Now, I advise you to actually study and examine the US Constitution like I have before responding back with another arrogant and ignorant comment.  You birthers are the death of the Conservative movement.  It’s because of you birthers that we lost the last election.  It’s because of you birthers that this country looks down on us TRUE Conservatives.  You are a minority.  You are a vocal minority that is putting us TRUE Conservatives down, and it makes me sick.  The US Constitution says you guys are wrong, period.  The majority of our founding fathers say you guys are wrong, period.  The US Supreme Court says you are wrong, period.  The US Congress says you are wrong, period.  ALL of these forces agree, dating back to the 1770s, that you are wrong, period.  Fact is, you guys are wrong.  Accept it already.  If you want to change it, than fight to do so.  Until then, quit perpetuating the fraud that you crackpots are actually trying to uphold the US Constitution when you don’t even understand what it says.

Bloviating endlessly about being correct doesn’t make one correct.  I profess it is you that needs to read the Constitution as is evident in your posts.

No where does the 14th Amendment mention natural born Citizen. It addresses CITIZENS that are born here, and naturalized. “Naturalized” is not the same as “natural born”. I know they sound similar but you need to understand that they are not.

Instead of watching professional wrestling, why don’t you read or re-read the Constitution and then read this:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/10/barack-obama-is-ineligible-to-be.html

Do you really believe what you post or do you get paid to say these ridiculous things?

OMA
I realize this wasn’t directed at myself, but I have an observation…

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Your use of inflammatory rhetoric to further your argument actually undermines it.

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“Birther’s, ignorant, you guys, your side, crazies, useful idiots, etc.”

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You haven’t got a clue who I or anyone else voted for- it is none of your business.

Before you go off on this Ron Paul rant (and his son who is just a more polished version of Ron Paul- this is my view:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

Once again you would be incorrect.

Mary

LOL Where did I EVER say “naturalized” meant “natural born.” I NEVER once said that. “Born” means “natural born.” The 14th Amendment mentions natural born citizen when it specifically mentioned those “born” here. Those born in this country ARE natural born citizens. Those naturalized in this country are NOT natural born citizens. Those were the words I already stated. Apparently, you have terrible reading comprehensions skills.

Now, I don’t watch professional wrestling as much as I used to. I have other things to worry about. But the average professional wrestling fan certainly has more intelligence regarding the Constitution than you do. Instead of believing the lies you tell to be true, how about you actually read AND study the Constitution like I have. NOWHERE in the US Constitution supports your belief that a natural born citizen is natural born ONLY if he was born here to parents who were citizens. The US Constitution does NOT say that. The Law of Nations does, but the Law of Nations is NOT the US Constitution. The Law of Nations is ONE man’s philosophy.

And to answer your question, yes, I do believe what I post. I believe what I post because, you see, EVERY SINGLE thing I posted is actually backed up by the US Constitution. Now, again I say, quit perpetuating the fraud that you are upholding the Constitution when you don’t even have a clue what the Constitution actually stands for. It’s why you idiot birthers are killing the Conservative movement. If not for you morons, we Conservatives could have actually won the last election.

I only call it as I see it. Seeing as your beliefs fly in the face of what our US Constitution actually says, you ARE ignorant and crazy, lol. You’re right, I don’t know who you voted for. I don’t care either because by your ignorant standards, not many could have been voted for. The fact remains that according to the US Constitution, you know the Law of the Land, the US Supreme Court, and the US Congress, the ONLY thing that is required is that you be born in this country and be subject to this country’s jurisdiction. It does NOT matter where the parents were born. It matters where the parents were born ONLY if you were NOT born in this country. This is a DOCUMENTED FACT documented by EVERY SINGLE authority on the matter, including THE authority of the United States Constitution.

What makes you guys birthers, ignorant, and crazy is that your opinions fly in the face of actual documented facts. As it stands, your ignorance of the facts is why I call you a crazy, ignorant birther. As for useful idiots, I NEVER used that term. Actually, you people did, lol. Go figure. But you guys are useful idiots as well.

And by the way, I only use inflammatory rhetoric because that inflammatory rhetoric is a quite apt description of the morons out there who still think that to be natural born you must have parents who are citizens. News flash, EVERY SINGLE TIME ONE’S NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP STATUS HAS ALWAYS COME UP, BY THE RULING OF LAW ALL ONE NEEDS TO BE TO BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN IS TO BE BORN HERE AND SUBJECT TO US JURISDICTION. That has been US Law for about 240 freakin’ years, and yet you people still argue against it. Look, if you want to change natural born citizenship to mean those born in the US to citizens of the US, then fight to do so. That’s what Amendments are for. Until then, the US Constitution clearly says that it matters NOT where the parents were born. Until then, the US Constitution clearly states that to be natural born, ALL that matters is that you were born in the US and are subject to US jurisdiction.

You lie:
“As for useful idiots, I NEVER used that term.” One_Man_Army”

” not just a simple majority of corrupt politicians and some [useful idiots] who help spread misinformation and disinformation about the true definition of “natural born Citizen”.” One_Man_Army

You have too many things goin’ on to keep track of your posts?
Mary

LOL Seriously? Look who made that comment will you. It most certainly was NOT me. That was Vae Victis on YOUR side using hateful rhetoric against us TRUE Conservatives. Again, I say, I did NOT use the term useful idiots until the post I made to you before this one. YOUR side did. Vae Victis was the one who used that term originally here. NOT me. But it is a quite apt description of you crackpots as well.

So, LIAR, I ask you who are you calling a liar, lol?

I can see you didn’t take the time to read the Constitution or the link and decided to repeat your fallacious talking points instead. Now go read instead of thinking you know everything already and repeating what Glenn Beck tells you to.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/10/barack-obama-is-ineligible-to-be.html

http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/

So, anyways, lets talk about you. Your endless rant was very revealing into your psyche. You may have SOME conservative tendencies, but as a whole you are a far cry from actually being a Conservative. You try to talk the talk, but it just isn’t there, like Romney.

Speaking of Romney, it is because you RINO’s nominated Romney is why you lost. You sound an awful like Karl Rove spouting that nonsense.

http://markamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gop_wb_nrrw.jpg

I can’t help but picture you as Archie Bunker as I read your nonsense.

One_Man_Army

If you mean by Birther’s:

http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/

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You are not a Constitutional Lawyer- Publius Huldah is… Yet, Argument for Authority is employed, using Argument by Repetition using emotive tactics/language.

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How does it feel to want?

Mary

One_Man_Army

All CAPS? For little ol’ me? I must really have you worried that common sense folks will understand my shortened version of the Truth.

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Fallacious Argument Pious Fraud:
a fraud done to accomplish some good end, on the theory that the end justifies the means.

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“The school-girlish Establishment Republicans who swoon over the glib, handsome & Hispanic Marco Rubio (who is not a “natural born Citizen”, but only a naturalized citizen) will ultimately destroy our sovereignty.

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“Once we accept that our President need not be a “natural born Citizen”, we will have made a major step towards submission to global government. Because then, anybody can be President. PH.”

Hello? Barack Hussein Obama?

Mary

O_M_A

So you pounce on a simple phrase which includes those words (from another poster) and you negate all the other invectives YOU have applied to me and others using MY ID link-this absolves you of using emotive language- how?

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You’ve used all manner of derogatory language to undermine my debate simply because you have lost the debate and refuse to acknowledge such.

“When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

Mary

I don’t know why you waste your time with these people. They are nothing but a small minority of people who think they know everything and are better than everyone else. That is why I steer clear of these people. Unless it is a liberal than I am going to have some fun.

Nope. I DID read the Constitution AND the link, lol. Apparently, you failed at reading the Constitution, though.

My talking points are NOT fallacious. My talking points are backed up by DOCUMENTED FACTS, lol. Since when are statements backed up by actual DOCUMENTED FACTS fallacious?

By the way, i did NOT nominate Romney. I was stuck with him, however. You see, unlike you, I am a TRUE Conservative and wanted someone better. However, since I was stuck with him, he was forced on me.

Now, regurgitating your tired old Law of Nations argument is just stupid. I already stated why that argument is idiotic at best. Again, the Law of Nations is NOT the US Constitution. Did it inspire our founding fathers? Yes. Did our founding fathers agree to every single word it said? Absolutely NOT. So far, your ONLY argument is the Law of Nations. My argument is the US Constitution, the ACTUAL words of the vast majority of our founding fathers, the US Supreme Court, and the US Congress. All that trumps the Law of Nations, son, lol.

It is clear you need to read a bit and go learn something, especially that which regards our US Constitution because you know NOTHING of what it says.

One need not be a Constitutional Lawyer to actually understand what the US Constitution says in plain language. The US Constitution is clear. ANY AND ALL PEOPLE BORN IN THE US AND SUBJECT TO US JURISDICTION IS, AT BIRTH, A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, REGARDLESS OF THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE PARENTS. That is what the US Constitution says. That is what the US Supreme Court says. That is what the US Congress says. You want it changed to include ONLY those born to US citizens, than fight to do so. Until then, quit perpetuating the fraud that you are upholding the US Constitution.

Nope. Regular common sense folks will see through your fraud and accept the actual TRUTH that a “natural born citizen” simply has to be born in this country and be subject to this country’s jurisdiction. You see, regular common sense folks can actually understand the plain language of the US Constitution.

Now, as for that last statement, it is true. “nce we accept that our President need not be a “natural born Citizen”, we will have made a major step towards submission to global government. Because then, anybody can be President.” Problem is, folks like Marco Rubio ARE “natural born citizens” as defined by the US Constitution, the vast majority of our founding fathers, the US Supreme Court, and the US Congress. Your problem is that you are sticking by the Law of Nations definition of “natural born citizen.” A little news flash for you dear, but the Law of Nations definition is how ONE, and ONLY ONE, man defined natural born. Most of our founders defined it differently. Hamilton defined it differently. Madison defined it differently. You see, their definitions did NOT include where the parents were born. Their definition included ONLY where the citizen was born.

I negated nothing. I think I made myself quite clear to anyone with any real common sense, lol. Now, before Vae Victis, on YOUR side mind you, used the term useful idiot, I simply called you maroons what you have proven to be thus far. I called you crazy. I called you nut cases. I called you birthers. I even called you crackpots. I, however, did not yet use the term useful idiots.

By the way, I’m not using derogatory language to undermine your debate because I have lost the debate. I am using derogatory language to undermine your debate because simply YOU HAVE NO DEBATE, lol. Seriously, you people keep flat out ignoring DOCUMENTED FACTS. You CANNOT debate when you have a COMPLETE and TOTAL ignorance of the DOCUMENTED FACTS, lol. I use derogatory language because that language is a very apt description of you crackpots who actually believe that to be natural born you must be born here of parents who are natural born citizens. News flash. Your belief comes from ONLY one source, The Law of Nations. My belief comes from various letters actually written by our founding fathers, the US Constitution itself, the US Supreme Court in EVERY SINGLE case they have ever done on the matter going back to the 1844 precedent case, and the US Congress who were given Constitutional authority to define what makes one a “natural born citizen.” Now, seeing as the US Constitution itself is all I need to trump your Law of Nations, quit perpetuating your fraud that you are upholding a Constitution you don’t even understand.

True, but their continued ignorance of the documented facts makes me sick. They are the main reason we lost the last election. Because of them, the rest of the country thinks we true conservatives are crazy crackpots just like them. It’s simply infuriating. Now, I’m actually not a big fan of Rubio either. I still would prefer someone a bit more conservative. But to say he’s not “natural born” as our US Constitution uses the term is ridiculous because every Constitutional authority in this nation says that he actually IS “natural born” as our US Constitution uses the term. He is “natural born” according to the 14th Amendment. He is “natural born” according to the US Supreme Court. He is “natural born” according to Section 1401 of Title 8 of the US Code written by Congress. To deny his “natural born” status is to deny reality itself. It’s just stupid and ridiculous, and their idiotic fallacies just makes true conservatives look as crazy as them because they are perpetuating the fraud of upholding the US Constitution. In my book, they are almost as bad as liberals because like liberals they pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they believe and flat out ignore other parts. They hold one man’s opinion in the Law of Nations higher than they hold the US Constitution, despite the fact that that one man’s opinion has been proven to be totally different then the opinions of the majority of our founding fathers. It’s fun to have fun with liberals. But these kinds of people claim to be conservative, yet they totally ignore US Constitutional law as it’s been set for about 240 years years now. Tell me, what true conservative is going to ignore the US Constitution as they do?

They no doubt have a very extreme liberal idea Constitution. Why it is these people don’t read the Constitution as is and not make some crack pot theory is beyond me. I think they see someone they don’t like and try everything to rewrite the Constitution like these people did Mitt. They are nothing but hateful bigots that only see their side of things and could care less about facts and frankly friendships with people they disagree with. The call people RHINOS left and right thinking if they scream the loudest they shut down the discussion and take things down a weird road. They can’t say why they hate these people openly or why they are even against said people then their hate would be shown for what it is. I bet the majority of these people that where against Mitt hated him because he was a Mormon and wanted nothing to do with him but they voted for Newt who was no better than Romney. They live off of hate even if they don’t want to face it and I for one don’t want to be dragged down by these people to their level. Tho I don’t see a danger with you on doing that very thing but I know my heart. Read this one comments and you can just feel the hate whether she is talking about Rhinos to gay people even. I know this type of hate they feel because I just had the same hate in me after the elections. For people I thought where friends stubbing me in the back and took a lot out of me who I was until a few weeks ago where I had to forgive them in my heart and let it in the past along with my other baggage and that is what these people carry a baggage of hate. I agree with you one everything you said about Rubio. He may be a snake in the grass but he has the right to run as president. They are going to believe whatever they are going to believe and it is their lose.

To be fair, Romney is actually a RINO though. But it came down to either him or Obama. In such a case, I’d pick the RINO over the raging liberal every single day of the week. A slow progressive movement actually gives us a decent shot. Whereas the fast paced progressive movement Obama has us under is harder to combat. I just wish a true conservative would step up and make it to election night for once. Now, in my view, Rubio is far from that perfect candidate, but I still view him better than I do Romney. Whether he decides to run or not is up to him, but in all truthfulness, there is nothing Constitutionally denying his “natural born” status, not yet anyway. Will there be in the future? That depends on if these current crackpots manage to get that Amendment passed to redefine “natural born” to mean those born here to parents who are citizens. Without such an Amendment, the Constitution does not define it to mean that.

You may have read it, but you clearly shown you have no comprehension of what the words mean.

Your argument is pathetic and has no merits because it has already been disproven by the words in the Constitution itself. I have already proven the “evidence” you and your cohorts have provided is irrelevant to “natural born Citizen”. Claiming that your argument is supported by the Constitution and the Founding Fathers with no evidence is erroneous and a lie.

You have already shown yourself to be a liar with Mary by claiming to be the victim when it was you that started using insults.

“Now, why you crazies keep insisting that your parents MUST be born in the US in order for you to be “natural born” is beyond crazy.” –One_Man_Army 03/01/2013 8:26 AM

My post to Mary addressing your irrational thinking and false assumptions was posted 03/01/2013 12:56 PM. Facts are stubborn things and do not support your re-writing of history just like they don’t on your re-interpretation of the Constitution.

If you would like to point to another definition of “natural born Citizen” at the time of the writing of the Constitution then do so, pappy. Everyone is waiting.

Ps Your argument about Romney makes no sense. A pathetic attempt by you trying to convince people you are a “true conservative” so they will listen to your propaganda for the next election.

That is what I figured with Mitt but I really was tick off that again we had no choice. We got small p over on one corner and big P on the other. What we should focus on is the majority of the country that did not vote. I talked to a few and they don’t like Obama but thought the other guy was no different. At one point I was for taking my stuff and building a new party but now I think that is unwise because then we would be abandoning the few good ones we have in the party left.
Oh these people can try but I will fight them. They should not mess with the constitution to fit their own political needs. It was made to protect freedom and not kick people out you don’t like. These people have to figure that one out for their own. I wonder how many of the founders had parents and family that lived in other countries. I wonder if these people would disqualify George Washington if his father came from another country or Jefferson. Under their understanding of the Constitution I guess when Jesus returns he can’t be are leader because his parents and himself where born in Israel. What why can’t the same rules apply to him as they do Romney and Rubio. LOL! But knowing these people they would.

Building another party sounds good on paper, but is usually a very unwise thing to do. It more often than not just ends up splitting the vote, virtually guaranteeing the win to the Democrats. We don’t want to do that. What we really want to do is start shifting the Republican Party we have now back to the right so we don’t end up splitting it.

Thing is, in a purely technical sense, their beliefs would disqualify our first Presidents, including George Washington, because they were born in British territory under a British king and subject to British law. I say purely technical because that territory did eventually become the United States. They certainly were not “natural born” as defined by the birthers because their parents weren’t citizens either. Heck, Washington’s father died long before our founders even thought about a United States, so Washington’s father certainly was not a United States citizen. Yet, at the time, no one had a problem at all electing them to the Presidency.

Uhm, actually my argument actually has been PROVEN by the words in the Constitution itself, lol. It happens to be YOUR argument that has been soundly disproven by the the Constitution itself. Try again there, son.

And you have proven absolutely NOTHING. Quite the contrary, I proved using ACTUAL writings from our ACTUAL founding fathers what “natural born citizen” means. Again, try again there son, lol.

LOL I NEVER claimed to be the victim. Where you even get that at is ridiculous. And it is actually YOU who started using insults, so, again, I say try again there, son.

And the ONLY one with irrational thinking and false assumptions is YOU, lol. My thinking is based on DOCUMENTED FACTS DOCUMENTED FROM THE US CONSTITUTION ITSELF. My assumptions come straight from the US Constitution as well as the writings from the vast majority of our founding fathers so they are NOT false assumptions. They are THE assumptions, period, lol.

Facts are stubborn things indeed. You have that right. And EVERY SINGLE FACT in this nation actually DOES support what I have said. I have NOT re-written history, nor have I re-interpreted the Constitution. The only one who has done that here so far are YOU and Mary, lol. All I have done is written history the way history IS, period, and interpreted the US Constitution the way it is actually meant to be interpreted by the plain language that is in it.

You ask me to point to another definition of “natural born citizen?” Seriously? I already have. I pointed to the definition made clear by our very own US Constitution. The definition of “natural born citizen” at the time of the writing of the Constitution as defined by the vast majority of our founding fathers is “Anyone born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” That IS the definition of “natural born citizen.” That was Hamilton’s definition. That was Madison’s definition. That was Washington’s definition. You see, their definition did NOT include the birthplace of the parents.

And actually, to true Conservatives who can see past the fraud of your post, my argument about Romney makes perfect sense. Now, the only one here trying to push propaganda is you. I say again, quit perpetuating the fraud that you are upholding the Constitution because you are doing NOTHING but making the rest of US TRUE Conservatives look just as crazy as you guys.

PS. The words of the Constitution do NOT disprove my argument. The words of the Constitution ARE my argument, nimrod. How can the words of the US Constitution disprove my argument when the very words of the US Constitution, when using the plain language they are in, prove beyond ALL doubt that to be “natural born” ALL that needs to be true is you be born here and subject the US jurisdiction. That is made clear by the US Constitution itself. To argue otherwise is not just pathetic and lacking merit. To argue otherwise proves that you are a crazy maroon who has absolutely NO understanding of the US Constitution whatsoever and love to ignore the DOCUMENTED FACTS shown right in our US Constitution.

Now, before you return, I highly advise you to either develop an actual understanding of the US Constitution and the actual beliefs of our founding fathers, or just shut your mouth until you do develop that actual understanding because NO true conservative is going to take you seriously if you continue to purport your DISPROVEN LIES.

Do you have to try to be this ignorant or does it just come naturally?

Your incoherent rambling posts are a disgrace to the English language. Enroll into a English Grammar Class for beginners and then try reading the Constitution for once instead of pretending you know what it says. You will only keep making a bigger ass out of yourself until you do.

Funny you who voted for Obama the first time and championed Romney the next is now the arbiter of who has an extreme liberal interpretation of the Constitution. Your uneducated biased “opinions” are irrational and meaningless because they are not backed up by facts. I say “opinions” with quotes because we all know you are incapable of thinking for yourself and only regurgitate what your current babysitter tells you.

Whether you realize this or not, you have shown you do not know what the US Constitution says.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5

“No Person except a natural born Citizen or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the age of
thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United
States.”

Please take special note of “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”.

They had to put that special clause in there to allow George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and any other Citizen at that time to be able to become President. If they didn’t then nobody would have been eligible to become President until 35 years after the Declaration of Independence..

Why did they have to add “or a Citizen of the United States” if everybody born here was already a natural born Citizen?

Your Jesus remark is so absurd that I won’t bother dignifying it with a response.

By the way, I’m tired of this. You claim that my argument is disproven by the words of the Constitution. Yet, I have proven, USING THE ACTUAL WORDS OF THE CONSTITUTION NO LESS, that my argument is very much 100% PROVEN by the US Constitution. Your claim that my argument is disproven by the Constitution is an arrogant, ignorant claim that has absolutely NO merit to it whatsoever and proves that you have absolutely NO understanding whatsoever about what the Constitution actually says. Now, until you develop an actual understanding of the US Constitution, there is just no hope for you crackpots. You’re just as bad as the idiot liberals who pick and choose what parts of the US Constitution to believe in and totally ignore the very heart of it. It is absolutely sickening how you people want to re-define what the US Constitution means, and then have the gall to accuse me of doing so. Look, I am interpreting the US Constitution using the plain language it is written in, which is how our founders intended for it to be interpreted. Unlike you crackpots, I am NOT re-defining the terms in the US Constitution. Unlike you crackpots, I am NOT re-interpreting the US Constitution. I am defining it and interpreting it plainly with its very own words, as our own founders did in their own time. You morons are the ones re-defining and re-interpreting it. So quit perpetuating your arrogant, ignorant fraud already.

He’s going to keep taking you around in circles.

He has the need to be right all the time.

I can see that, but still. It is obvious what the Constitutional authorities say on the matter. Why? Why must birthers always be insane? It just makes real conservatives look bad is all, and I’m tired of it. They are a key reason we lost the last election, and they’re going to be a key reason we will lose the next if we let them continue to propagate their insanity. Our party is broken now, and we will have a hard time fixing it if we let these birthers continue to propagate their trash.

He’s a paranoid schizophrenic. He sees sock puppets everywhere but never sees the dozen sock puppets of his own creation.

He’s sure putting his insanity on display. He has all the facts and there’s nothing more dangerous than a man who’s never wrong.

True that. I probably should just avoid it or his insanity will spread. Just that birthers are infuriating to me. We have a tough enough time trying to fix this country now without the birthers screwing things up even more. Oh well. Hopefully a true conservative will come from the fold for the next election.

My bet is that we’re going to get a real young intelligent Conservative who’ll take these morons to task. The 2014 local elections are coming up next and local elections are mainly about the economy and higher taxes. Libtards lose on both accounts and Obama just made an ass of himself having suggested and passed the sequester bill.

We have to keep on them every minute.

I hope so. This country needs a true conservative to truly revive the Republican Party in 2016.

Rubio looks really good right now, John Thune is as clean and as intelligent as they come for VP.

Thune does appear to be a decent choice. Let’s hope we can retake the Presidency in 2016.

I can care less what you think.

I can care less what you think. Good bye.

So true. They would of kick Washington out before he could even try to become president. I think I know who one of these morons are and it does not shock me that he would bring up my past mistakes and attack me personally instead actually putting up a good defense of their crack pot theories. What did the other one said to you about losing an argument? LOL can anyone say double standard. It called the 14 amendment people how hard is it for these people to understand facts. They are rewriting the Constitution to fit their own needs sort of what Obama did with health care or everything else but these blind people can’t see the error of their ways. Unlike me who learns from my mistakes and no long trust anyone like these two and think the splitting the party is a bad idea now. These people will never change and will always be stuck on stupid. Now watch as Vile Victis attacks me again for past choices I made or makes up crap about me to try to piss me off. Go ahead watch it is rather lame his attacks.

One more think dumb ass thanks for proving our point notice how it does not say anything about the parents moron but your just an idiot and see things different to the actual written word of the Constitution that you also not even worth the time to debate. Under your stupidity no one can run for office because most came from other countries to begin with. I guess the founders broke you birther Constitutional rewrite of yours as well seeing how all their ancestry came from another country. Well what the matter got a problem with people of different races and nationality gee that does not sound very constitutional. It is morons like you that make conservatives look like racist. As for me voting for Mitt Devin you wanted Newt and he is even a bigger RHINO than Mitt and Obama combine but yet I voted for someone that was Mormon (oh god I said the m word) it make me a RHINO but you voting Newt makes you a constitutionalist. Hypocrisy much little brain. Now I say good bye. Stay stupid brother rhino.

If you can care less what I think then that means you do still care. lol

What did I tell you about getting educated before continuing to make a fool out of yourself?

Wow, you took Argument by Gibberish literally. lol

Ryan, you have proven beyond a doubt that you are a complete mental retard who cannot read nor write. You disregard the facts in favor of choosing to remain ignorant. Obviously that choice comes naturally for you.

I already explained to your feeble mind and showed you the exact words of the Constitution. The Constitution allowed people who were Citizens at the time of Adoption of the US Constitution to be President. But once that generation passed away, only a natural born Citizen can be President.

What is so hard to comprehend about that? You are an irrational child who has no capacity for reason or logic. For you to continue to try and introduce racism into this subject shows what a pathetic little creep you are. No wonder you voted for Obama.

Newt is a bigger progressive than Mitt and Obama combined? Wow, you are not only mentally retarded but delusional as well.

When you call somebody stupid while making numerous grammatical errors, it only emphasizes your own stupidity.

If you can care less what I think then that means you do still care. lol

What did I tell you about getting educated before continuing to make a fool out of yourself?

Oh look it is trying to piss me off isn’t the cute. You got to try better than that sunshine. It does not discount the fact you are putting words into the Constitution that are not even there. Then you make fun of my grammar as if I give a crap about what you think of me. At least o got the balls to who I voted for. You call me childish but yet you show up at least once a month to attack one of my friends or me because you cannot let something go that happen 6 months ago. You’re nothing but a sick little man that needs mental help not anyone else. You are nothing but a coward. I ended these six months ago but yet like a child you just can’t get it through your thick skull that no one cares that you and your girlfriend keep drive by shooting us every chance you get than hide like the cowards you are and come back and do it again. In fact you two have become a joke to us. Tell me who is acting like a child someone defending themselves and telling their friends not to get involved with you clowns or people like you attacking other people for six months because they would not sip the Gary Johnson kook aid and hate Mitt Romney for being a Mormon. Gee you have no room for calling other people irrational child. Now you are going to bring more insults out and flat out lies to try to get under my skin or revile personal information about me. Like the little coward you are because you know that what you are saying is full of shit. P.S. tell your girlfriend stop stocking me. I told her to stop following me 6 months ago but yet she continues to do so. both her handles you know Mary Image and a Bone to Pick that would be great. Because as I said before I want nothing to do with both of you. as I said before good bye.

More incoherent gibberish from the man-child.

Speaking of being a coward, why don’t you get a set and tell her yourself?

You are a numskull who keeps proving he does not understand anything, whether it is religion, politics, history, or any matters of practicality.

If you didn’t want anymore to do with me then you should have kept your nose out of other people’s business. You came into this conversation pretending to know what the Constitution says and making false accusations against those who are Constitutionalists. You got exactly what you deserved. Quit being a useful idiot and pull your head out of your troll friends back side.

You keep saying goodbye but keep coming back anyways. That is not very rational. Make up your irrational mind.

Sam Fisher-notice I never used your name(s) and you do?

Unfortunately, you have a bad habit of never remaining quiet, especially when you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.

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I have never attacked anyone- it is you and others who cannot understand the simple request to please refrain from mentioning names or actively seeking other posters they disagree with.

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You need to understand that Disqus is not your private living-room. This is an open venue to the public. You have no say whether anyone can “follow” you or not.

Mary

No I came into this conversation to get a friend to stop talking to you two bigots because I care. Unlike the two of you that never gave a crap about any of us. I know God better than you ever will. Just look at your post full of bigotry fool of vile hate it is very sad that you try to drag the name of Christ down with your hate. I feel bad for you I truly do because as long as you hold onto your anger and hate you will never be close to him and that goes for you both. You want to prove to me that you are a follower of his then stop with this petty bull shit. Everything I said about me not wanting nothing to do with you two is true and this is the reason. You attack people who were your friends. I would of done anything to help the both of you if you two where ever in need but you stab us in the back and for what a stupid election. Where I am from friends means something more than that stupid clicks. Here we call are friends brother and sister and don’t let stupid things like politics get in the way. You want people to act civil to you than you got to be civil to them. I bet you would never act like this in front of your family. You back off from us and I will back off from you. Show me that you are a true Christian and not only will I apologize to the both of you but you will see me posting to you again. This has gone on for far too long but the next move is on you two’s heads.

He’s a moron Sam, you’ll never get through to his pea brain. Ignore the little bug and maybe he’ll go away.

He’ll cancel his profile and start over with a new sock.

And I told you I want nothing to do with you give me one good reason why I should be mad at you for what you did to me. You gave Devin information on me to use as an attack against me even after I was defending you with the others. I was trying to defend you that night of God sakes and that is the thanks I get. We were friends but I see you attacking them one at a time. Give me on good reason why I should want you following me. I trusted you don’t you understand that I trusted you. No wonder you did not want me to come back. You killed my trust in humanity. It took everything to pull myself out of that place I place that a part of me is still in. I don’t want to hate you or Devin or anyone else for that matter but it is so hard not to.

You know me I have to try before I leave these two to their thoughts.

Where the hell do you come up with these fantasies of yours? You are one crazy messed up little child. You believe what ever your small group of troll friends tell you with out question. You are incapable of questioning anything because like I said, you completely lack all the skills of reason and logic. That makes you a useful idiot to whoever will pretend to be your friend.

Because of your complete ignorance in all things, you will help those who wish to destroy the Constitution. Whether they are doing it knowingly or unknowingly, it doesn’t matter, they are still doing it.

You like to preach about civility but you do not practice it yourself. It is none of your business whether I am a true Christian or not and I certainly do not have to prove it to the likes of you. I am accountable to my God, not you.

“This has gone on for far too long but the next move is on you two’s heads.”

Is that some kind of threat?

So there was right about you and here I thought there was at least a piece of humanity in your heart but it looks like the only thing you care about is yourself. I was giving you a chance to be civil with me and burying the old wounds between us but instead you spit in my face Jesus was right you will know them by their works. Mary you don’t have to follow this guy as well. I know you well enough to know you are better than what he turned into give me a reason to see that the person I once know is still in there. Give me a reason to bury the hatchet with you. Show me that you are still in there.

Well don’t look now he thought it was a death threat. Your right some people never change. He has so much hate is his heart that he is rejecting everything Jesus said about forgiveness. Well I tried anyways that all that counts.

Of course he does, he’s a sicko. He’s lonely, he has no one to talk too. I suggested he get a pet parrot or something so he won’t be so lonely. LOL

More of your Pious Baloney. You are a complete nut job.

Go back and read your insanity before you pull this Holier than thou crap of yours. You are a religious zealot that does not know what the hell he is talking about and perverts the Gospels. Every post of yours confirms this fact.

Why are you talking to Mary when you are replying to me? More evidence of your insanity.

Sam, I am not going to pretend this is our living room and millions upon millions of people do not read this stupid “soap opera.” Stop using names, is that so hard to understand?

You have never understood that point.

Instead email or any other correct avenue to do such, you continue to treat Disqus as if ones you know “of” are either your “friends” or in my case, your perceived “enemy.”

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I will correct you this one time; it was YOU in the Farrahkan thread that threw all of US under the bus. For what? A piece of tail you thought you could “convert” from the racist lying piece of Muslim garbage she was?
A “connection” you wanted at all cost, even of your Internet friends.

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Then as now, you spill your guts to millions of readers. You have given personal information out about EVERYONE during that fiasco-and you don’t even realize you do it.

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Don’t blame others for what YOU are guilty of… Selective memory to perpetuate this fantasy of yours
is unbecoming.

Mary

I was doing what Jesus commands all his followers to do. What part of that don’t you understand? My word is your heart that cold to what is in the Bible. Right or wrong I did what was necessary to help someone out of a dark period in their life. You will never understand what it is like to have that type of hate in your heart you would never understand what dark place she was in. she was screaming for help but you refused to see it. I was trying to help someone and told you as much but again you make it into something that it was not the others forgave me for what I did. What I felt like I had to do. You of all people know of the dark place I came out of. Should I just ignore what was a cry for help? You would never understand what it is like so the only to people holding an ax over my head for that is you two. I owned up to what I did but you refuse to do so with your sins to us but I never acted like you two do to us. Do you have that much hate that you can’t let go of something that happen all most a year ago. What about what you did to me hum oh yah I told you something that was between me and you and a few months later I find it in a personal attack on me by your friend but of course you don’t give a shit. I told you that to ask a plead for help and your friend attacks me with it. How dare you think your innocent in all of this? How dare you lie to my face! I was defending you and you tell him about the god damn microwave! What was thinking you nothing but a snake in the grass! I should of never trusted you.

So sad that you want to your god hate.

I done with these two. They want to play innocent. They want to claim it our entire fault for them being ass holes. Look how I will ignore these to snakes in the grass.

So sad that you cannot think or write coherently. Your “sentence” makes absolutely no sense.

I see you still cannot control yourself from replying to me after all the countless times of saying you were done with me.

We all know you are the one who is full of hate, Sammy. I don’t hate you, I just think you are a complete ignoramus who cannot be trusted because of your serious lack of reason and logic. Because of that, you will always make the wrong decisions and betray the principles you say you stand for.

Unlike you, I am done with this thread. You can keep posting your nonsense which is not backed up by facts all you want, for it will only keep proving my points about you.

See you around, troll boy.

You are wrong, I never hated you or held it against you-then or now.

I do deplore your continued conversations about me though. Don’t go all pious on me now, you preach sin, redemption and God’s Word when you use cuss words and can act VERY unchristian.

Your continued insistence that I stalk you and others is a flat out lie. I rarely post. I never attack as you or others do.

In fact, I believe I have never cursed in open forum of any kind.
YOU can never say the same.

Have you ever considered that your irrational behavior (microwave/ your VERY angry thoughts) caused me concern and I sought others advice out of concern for your mental health?

This the last thought I will post on this topic- I hate it- you seem to be under the misconception that “spilling-the-beans” was solely on my part- I beg to differ.
Others had NO qualms about shouting their information to the whole Disqus forum.

Now stop this, SAM.

Just telling people to go away doesn’t work. What can you do?

Blow up some terrorist in one of those video games.

Use the NUKER!

We’ve all made mistakes. But that’s really no excuse for them shredding the US Constitution as they do. They claim to uphold it, but even Ron Paul isn’t as crazy as they are lol. I just wish they would just shut up. It is because of them that we lost the last time around, and it will probably be because of them we will lose the next time around. It’s hard enough trying to fix the GOP as it is without these crackpots coming in claiming to uphold the Constitution when all they’re doing is destroying it. If they were just liberals, fine. That’s easy enough to fight against. But they claim to be conservatives. They may be crackpots and all, but if we let them continue, their crackpot ideas will end up becoming those of the rest of us. I don’t want that.

Glenn Beck you are extremely wrong, you don’t know anything about the WWE or the Wrestling World so stay out of the subject or at least do some research before you make snide comments about a multi-million dollar corporation that was successful before you even knew how to spell success.

Wrestling’s satirical characters are unafraid to attack any political ideology.  Whining about it is hilarious and incredibly lame.  Calling the far-right wing McMahon family progressive is as well.

 HUGE question, the media is putting out this god awful story and most people will beleive it hook line and sinker…but a paragraph from the latest on SANDY HOOK>>>investagation

..A loaded 12-gauge shotgun was found in the glove compartment of the Honda Civic Lanza drove to the school with two magazines containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds.
 I am not the smartest man in the world but there is no way they found a 12 gauge shotgun in the GLOVE dept.  But yes the AA press…puts these articles out there and no one questions them….I found the article on FOX news of all places…are they not doing their homework on these articles before…passing them off as REAL>>>>2 shotgun mags holding 70 shot gun rounds…WTF>>>>FALSE FLAG…and Glenn Please wake up…I am afraid that you have really drank the cool aid on this one….NEVER HAPPEND>>>>