Welcome to the state of New York where communism will soon rule and the government will ‘insist’ all comply ‘by coercion and force of arms’ if necessary.

So as New York goes, so as California goes, so the rest of the nation goes.

Usually once someone realizes they are in danger of being trapped, it’s when the trap door slams shut and then it is too late, or they have already fallen into the tiger trap/pit…

Those people out there that are living life blindly, will not take action because they do not see the danger ahead!!!

I don’t care if Beck goes to on O’reilly show to spread a more freedom message but I want or like to see O’reilly face on my tv as a plus subscriber.

I don’t support Bill O’reilly progressive nonsense and don’t want to fund it ether.

Thank you.

Pro-choice?  The fetus (or human being) doesn’t have a choice.

My kids favored O’reilly on the air over Beck on the air. They said he seems to really mean what he says. That was the same thing they said about Ron Paul. Funny, Glenn is always trying to win the youth audience. Puzzling ??

O’Reilly and Beck act like they want to jerk off in front of each other. They are awful.

1. This late-term abortion right-up-to- the-moment-of-birth nonsense is SHEER INSANITY.

2. Not to mention EVIL.

3.  The very idea that NONPHYSICIANS could be performing the abortions is even MORE INSANE AND EVIL–and will no doubt lead to all kinds of horrific results and lawsuits.

4.  WHY can’t the BECK crew PROOFREAD (and CORRECT) THESE ARTICLES BEFORE THEY ARE POSTED? They are NOT long or complex; are you guys lazy or merely illiterate? It is very annoying that every article you guys post is loaded with errors, wrong words, typos, and non sequiturs. Whatever happened to STANDARDS?

I watched and replayed this a few times at one point Glenn asked about the ten year period following the Weimark collapse when Europe became even darker .O’Reilleys remarks went “Na Na we are now into machines and tied to them and not paying attention (sorry he said more) I think he actually emphasized Becks point! The western world is NOT paying attention by “playing with machines” as O’Reilly said himself and is heading into a dark period then it got even more darker when both talked about the abortion issues in NY State. are they on the same page??

I am getting worried about Bill he is starting to go off on different tangents when pressed and does not stay on the same page. My point is: why is he so pro life and  at the same time supports the NY (anti) gun laws in the same interview. If I cannot carry a gun to protect my family how can I protect them against an abortionist with a knife?

 The antidote is Texas.

Why don’t you fucking busy bodies mind your own business and get your noses out of everyone’s vagina?

That’s because the US Constitution doesn’t give it one, I thought you guys are all about being in favor of the Constitution?

Cause he’s a right wing nut job, his thinking contradicts itself just like it does to all you guys.

Please, Everybody Do Not Respond To critten (Kree-Tin – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Cretin?s=t ), he is teenager that lives in his mom’s basement feeling like the world is against him because he is going through an Identity Crisis from being gay and lonely.  He often gets his Panties in a Bunch and blames the world (or us) for his inability to fix the situation.  He truly believes that Obummer and the Other Obamanites will embrace fully and Hand him the Life he wants to live (Freeloading just like he does with his mom).
He NEVER has anything constructive to say in his comments, they are All Derogitory Against Others (and Vulgar Too).  If WE Ignore him then he will be Mute to the rest of us human beings that understand how life works…

*Note: I could care less about him being gay, but for some reason he is always spouting out about how we are against him based on that fact.  Not the Fact that he Opens His Mouth And Shit Comes Out…!!!

Kree-Tin, this is my Last Post Against Any Of Your Stupid Ones…

You never answered the question. Why don’t you just mind your own business and get your nose out of women’s cracks?

I’m interested in the welfare of the child. The incubator is irrelevant.

Because it isn’t just about the mother’s body. It’s about the unborn human being’s body – and right to life. An unborn child, regardless of the name you give it, is human and alive. It is not a growth on the mother’s body, it’s not a disease or infection. It is a human being, with human DNA, and it is alive and growing. It’s location (inside the womb, in the birth canal, outside the womb, wherever) is irrelevant – it is human and alive, and therefore has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

the end game is to take the guns away.

The constitution doesn’t grant rights. It limits government usurpation of the same. The right to life is one of the fundamental rights of man as recognized in the Declaration of Independence.

late term abortion, wow. only freaking lib dems. you people are sick.

What can we do to show our disgust for this man and his decision?  Who do we call or write to because I certainly will and I will tell all my friends and family who think abortion is murder and a sin to call and write too. 

only through the courts has the unborn been deemed a “thing” … a more reasonable read to “life, liberty …” recognizes the truth
 

Apathy can also be the result of not knowing what to do or being overwhelmed by what needs to be done.  I know this is true for me and I can’t help but wonder how many others feel the same.

 is this the best you can do?

Glenn and Bill..it is horrendous what Americans have become!  I see what the full agenda is, abortion going into late term, to born alive not wanted babies, to out right murder of those with disabilities and now euthanasia..Americans will make Hitler look like a Boy Scout pretty soon, because Americans are doing this with FULL knowledge.  God keeps a record, and their hands drip with blood!

 You are one sick idiot! Why then do you make it our business by insisting that Americans who are against this pay for it??

Such a sick society we live in…

I used to watch Food Network’s “Semi-Homemade Cooking With Sandra Lee—until I found out she is Cuomo’s girlfriend…she must be a real creep to sleep and hang around with that pr*ck

sticking a pair of scissors into the back of the neck of a 8-9 month old and pulling its brains out is ” someone else’s ” business ?….ITS SOCIETY’S BUSINESS because its outright murder AND YOU know it

My baby was born at 25 weeks.  She was 1 lb 2 oz.  She is now 19 and in her first year of college.  I can’t imagine willing aborting at 24 weeks.  Sad.  So sad.

This pathetic governor, passes the so called Safe Act that dose nothing for crime, and places blame squarely on the shoulders of lawful gun owners by exploiting the  sandy hook tragedy all in the name of children, then turns around and makes it easier to get a 3rd trimester abortion?
   I think the poles that show him at 59% approval rating is rigged in his favor.  He has basically showed a total disregard, and a general lack of respect in passing the NYSAFE act for just about everyone north of the Tappan Zee Bridge. I hope this will coast him his governorship. 

 The Constitution didn’t give African Americans a right to life either.  Read the Dred Scott decision.  Roe v Wade was based on the same decision.  It was wrong also.

The constitution was written back when people had common sense…sadly that is very short supply today…everyone knew back then what was in the mother’s stomach when she was pregnant!!

As a lifelong New Yorker, please don’t group us all into the New York city mentality. Those of us who live in upstate New York despise what this evil governor is ramming down our throats. He is a self-ex-communicated Catholic, is shacking up with a disgraceful female in OUR governor’s mansion at the taxpayer’s dime and he thinks he is the elite last word on what we should have as rule of law, whether we like it or not. As a mother of 11, his latest promotion of full term abortion sickens me to the depth of my soul and will surely bring down the wrath of God upon all of us.How anyone can murder their own flesh and blood and with the knowledge that this is a human being just baffles me. How can a so-called doctor kill a helpless child in the womb with such unconcern? Please know that their are millions of new yorkers who protest and march and write letters against this barbaric practice called abortion, but are ignored as if we don’t exist. The day will come when the Author of Life will have His say . I pray that the day arrives soon.

 so y dont yall stop making us pay for every womans vagina and the person she kills inside it? if it’s not our business who ppl kill, y should we b forced to pay for it? ugh..ignorance. if i pay for it, i get a say…so if little irresponsible sluts wanna kill their children, i share in the responsibility bc i pay for it and i disapprove of the slaughter of babies so u can take ur business and shove it cuz ur business is being shoved up mine too…thats y we can say something about it.

My son was born at 25 1/2 weeks at 1 lb. 13 oz. and spent the first ten weeks of his life in OHSU/Doernbechors Childrens Hospital.  He is going to be 13 years old in April, and is the only surviving child out of 13 that were there born within 2 weeks (before/after his birth).  The Doctors & Nurses were phenomenal at taking care of him, and Thanks to All the Doctors & Nurses that do this for a living because All Life is Precious!  The cause was the Placenta Abrupted (reasons unknown), but because my wife took very good care of herself and our son, He Survived…

Thanks for you post Kitty 

ladyalice11, thanks for your input and God Bless You!

It is hard to talk about a region/state and post all the exclusions to the statement (such as your point).  We know that Bloomberg does not represent the average persons views, especially when it comes to banning liberties that the individual should have the right to decide on for themselves.  I live in Oregon and I definitely do not like our Liberal/Democratic/Socialist Gov’t Officials, and more importantly I Do Not Think Like Them…

Our government has no regard for our lives. life is an unalienable right that has been given to us by God, our creator. 

I am sorry but abortion is not a Constitutional right. 

Maybe Kreetin should have been an abortion?

If it grows, it lives.  It is life.  Period.  All this talk about it is the mother’s right, it is constitutional, blah, blah, blah…   Those that think any abortion is “legal” or a “right”….  had better think long and hard, because maybe they should have been an abortion?  Life is life.  Just because the child didn’t make it 6 inches out of a vagina doesn’t mean that it is not alive, growing and can feel pain.  

So why is it considered murder if the children get shot in a school but not in an abortion clinic?  Is murder of children only considered “nice or good” if done in a clinical setting by someone in a white coat?  Seems to me that all the dems that support this barbaric practice of MURDER, then, they shouldn’t be whining about the kids murdered at any school.  You can’t have it both ways.

Wasn’t it just last year that some journal of medical ethics published an article about “post birth abortion” if the baby is not perfect, not the right sex, or the mother just decides she can’t raise the child even if it’s normal and healthy?  This is beyond barbaric; it’s an abomination to the Lord, Who loves little children more than anything.

We the people, who sit smugly by and say it’s none of our business, will suffer dearly for our sins, I’m afraid.

God help America!  Wake up!

Yeah well I guess you’re all realllly happy that Glen and Rush and Mark Levin and Ann Coulter demonized Ron Paul so thoroughly that he lost his chance for nomination.  All accurate indicators show that all the republicans who held their noses for McCain and Romney would have done so for Paul along with a substantial number of college kids and democrats which would have made Dr. Paul President Paul.  But no we got to hear all the jibber-jabber about how strange and bizarre constitutional adherence is.  So now you’ve got a second term of President Obama and all the crap that goes with it – like the above article.  Enjoy!

Ladies and gentleman liberal blood lust.  

That liberalism for you instead of taking responsibility for one’s own actions they take babies lives in the name of women’s rights. What about the right for the unborn to live? This issue just shows the rest of the world how cold hearted we become.

Well if there were such a thing as a “Living Abortion” that would be Kreetin as the Poster Child…

How do we make fools understand such a basic concept?  I am still trying to figure that one out…

Hey guy?? I can now affirm  the opinion of most on this board you are the nut case you completely missed my point. not even close read it again and try to get the point before spouting off, to ignore you is my last step so don’t bother answering me

someones nose was up that vagina.  maybe that vagina should get the legs to stay closed.

I’ve been saying for a while now to my circle of friends that the political calculus at this late stage is how to blame the other side for the crash (notice Argentina seems to be doing ground hogs day over and over).  As to the comment about “no job is worth that” and “those guys are lemmings” – that’s going on with our military every single day – and they can’t walk away… in fact, they can’t even say “I’m gay, let me out!” any more (I guess there’s still food for freedom)…

You’re right, when Roe vs. Wade came about, a fetus’s constitutional rights went out the door. Are you amused by my intense hatred of your harassment bullshit? FUCKING QUIT TALKING TO ME YOU PIECE OF SHIT I FUCKING HATE YOU!

You are a moron critten. It’s clear that you are an agitator. All of my friends here are merely standing up for life. Life for the innocent. How do you find fault in that? You for killing babies? What’s your beef with the unborn? I think you hate humans. How bout you spar with me awhile?

You are seriously going to compare slavery to abortion? The suffering of probably billions of intelligent living people with thoughts and feelings during a time span of over a hundred years to that of the comparitevly small amount of fetuses that have been “killed” in recent history. Damn…

Pro-lifers oppose consequences, not causes! Hating abortions
is as effective as hating hate.  The causes of aborting unwanted children are narcissism, rape, adultery
and sex without marriage.

God warned against
such animalistic behavior in writing and in human common-sense conscience, but
few narcissists pay attention to the writings of God or their own conscience.

Since most of us have done it or have children doing it, it
is safer, more politically correct and less judgmental if we only talk about
the consequences of abortion and the killing of unwanted children, not the
causes. Then we can blame the government for not making it illegal.

Outrage about narcissism, rape, adultery and sex without
marriage begins with us, in the Church and at home.

Government is not the enemy. We are!

Women don’t have complete control of their body….. if she decides she doesn’t want to live the rest of her life with her right arm ….. it’s illegal to have it removed for no medical reason…. she can’t just go and have a kidney removed and thrown into the trash will nilly…. This is murder straight up…… I believe it’s here to stay but I will never accept it as a moral part of society and will oppose it on a moral basis at every turn…… 

Read the 14th Amendment, you idiot. It clearly states at what point your rights begin. There is nothing more hilarious than watching you idiots make fools of yourself spouting crap about the Constitution when it is obvious you don’t even know how to read the thing. In order to be recognized as a citizen, you have to be either naturally born or naturalized. This little thingee called “Roe v Wade” was decided on that one sentence. The woman has rights that overrule the rights of the fetus, tough shit. She gets to decide her own destiny, instead of some fascist religious creep like yourself who’s decided he has a right to dictate his religious beliefs to people who don’t want to hear his shit. Mind your own fucking business.

Like I said, you moron, read it.

Then why has court after court ruled it is? Oh, because it’s in the 14th Amendment, in black and white you say? And Sam, he’s just another fucking idiot who doesn’t want to believe it?

No, I’m a against you fascists forcing teenagers to shove a coat hanger into her vagina because of your fascism, you nazi creep.

The fuck it was, you moron. The 14th Amendment wasn’t even part of the Constitution when Dred Scott was decided, buy a history book, you idiot.

Oh dumb ass the 14th amendment was for freed slaves not abortion rights but that is ok twist the constitution to fit your needs. Name one place in the entire Constitution where it mentions abortion by name. Don’t worry numb nuts I will wait.

This video explains why you liberals can’t be trusted with protection the Constitution. http://youtu.be/duhUaS9JEKo

And your right I don’t believe in Obamaunism because socialism is not my religion the government is not my Church and Obama is not my god.

should tell all black people in this country that had slave descendents that they can’t be citizens because what the 14 amendment stands for is abortion and people wonder why the liberals are in a party that started the KKK. http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/recon/jb_recon_subj.html
More proof of liberal racism.

This isn’t about religion you idiot. Your calling me a nazi while you defend someones right to kill a defective human? That makes you a hypocrite.No woman is forced to raise any child she has. There are tens of thousands of people waiting for babies.  End Roe v Wade and there will not be “back alley abortions”. The stigma of an unwed mother no longer exists in this country. There is no good reason for abortion. It’s not even good for the mother. If I were you I would steer clear of helping facilitate any of your friends abortions. Your obviously not yet out of your teens, so take it from someone who has been around the block a few times. I know women in their 50′s who are tormented day and night about their abortions.especially the ones who have no hope of every having a child. You speak from ignorance not experience. You should seriously cogitate on a subject fully, consider both sides before you puff up your chest and start spouting off. I’d be glad to spar some more with you on this. I’ll make you look like a fool but it would be my pleasure. Wanna spar some more?

Why don’t you elucidate on this argument? What do you mean about the 14th amendment and “what point your rights begin.” ? This is gonna be fun.

 You read it moron. Lets hear what you have to say about Roe v. Wade and the 14th amendment.

My son was walked into a fire station at full term. We got him when he was 2 days old. I thank God for his birth mother’s decision to keep his life. I love him so much I can’t imagine a world without him. According to critten though I’m a Nazi.

Well, let’s just look at it in black and white.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Don’t look now, moron, but WV just destroyed your ass.

I’m surprised you think that the Suprem Court has made what is now 40 years of court decisions affriming that this a Constitutional right, and you think what exact;y? That they just made it all up? Based on wishful thinking? Try to look deeper into to things, you will find the SCOTUS based their decisions on the law as it is, and unless it is amended, the US Constitution as it is, does not grant rights to those who are not born yet, in black and white.  The real job of the pro-life movement has always been to try to get the support for a Constiutional amendment, and while they have been good at getting lots of people riled up to plaster bumper stickes on their car a wave pictures of dead fetuses around, they have been utterly unsuccessful at getting that done, simply because they do not have the votes required.

I would like to hear you say something that negates the fact the 14th clearly states when rights begin. It is clear in black and white that a women has a right to pursuit of happiness, life, and liberty, but, and again, in black and white, the unborn do not.

I cannot see a single statement in the 14th Amemdment that says anything about “black people”.   While the plight of slaves certainly propelled it’s ratification, it’s real purpose was to take away jurisdiction over  the definition of citizenship, the guarenteed of equal protection of the law,  and jurisdiction over human rights from the states, and give that task to Federal government.  Before then, we had as many defintions of citizenship as we had states, and the states routinely denied classes of citizens human rights based on something about them the local citizens did not like, or for the purpose of enslaving them. The 14th gives us a national, uniform defintion of when citizenship begins, and guarantees we shall all be treated equally once this citizenship is obtained.  Throw as much dust in the air as you like, but you are arguing something that is simply not in the 14th Amendment.

Well, we actually intrust that to whomever wins these things called “elections”.  As long as the conservative movement thinks as you do, I do not see them winning many more.

Again, I do not see the words ‘freed slaves” mentioned anywhere in the 14th, and I am also aware the me who passed it knew they were passing a law that would exist for eternity.

Again, the COTUS recognizes those rights, per the 14th, when you are born, not before.

Those are typical “moral outrage” arguments, but legally, they aren’t worth a bucket of spit. Woman disagree with your view, they took it to court stating they had a right which overrides the right of a fetus, and they won the argument because the wording in the COTUS is quite clear.  That is your real problem, your “moral outrage” arguments simply are only  accepted by a minority that cannot get the votes to impose that view on this society. It is the way our system works. Sorry.

I can’t see single statement that abortion being in the 14 amendment but if you actually open a history book instead burning them like a good little Marxist then you would know that the reason it is even in the Constitution was to give free slaves rights. According it the History channels own web site it sates clearly that what it was for the article says “In 1868, the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.” In all, the amendment comprises five sections, four of which began in 1866 as separate proposals that stalled in legislative process and were amalgamated into a single amendment.” http://www.history.com/topics/fourteenth-amendment so you’re saying you know more than historians. Also back in 1866 adoration was still illegal and has been until the progressives in the Supreme Court said otherwise. The 14 amendment was not in any shape or from about killing babies in the womb so do us all favor and stop rewriting history to fit your sick needs for a blood bath.

You are nothing but a zombie following fools that only want power and wealth for themselves. These so called servants can care less what they do to the little people as long as it gives them more power and money. They worship greed and power in Washington. Soon you will realize the GOP is no different than the liberal. Why do you think only a small group of people even vote because there is no difference between the two sides and the GOP will die because people like you are too stupid and high on the GOP to understand the cancer that eats away at it? So go worship men that don’t give a crap about their blind followers like you. I am done with both sides because none see liberal interruption of the Constitution as a bad thing and see people who love the Constitution as the enemy.

I’m not concerned about WV let’s hear what you have to say. I’m gonna whoop his ass when I’m done with you. So like I said elucidate. Go.

Soon as critten can stand up for his own argument I’m gonna whoop our ass. What makes you think I support the GOP. It’s always politics for you fuckers. You think I give a shit what SCOTUS has ruled. Can you formulate your own argument for abortion according to the constitution? Or better yet, your own conscience.

I know how the system works asshole. Why don’t you explain where in the 14th amendment it states when your rights to due process begin. go.

You don’t have a  clue, man, he just put it out there in black and white, I don’t have anything to add. Read the 14th Amendment, and then explain to all of us how exactly a fetus has rights that outweigh those of a naturally born person, and as far as “ass kicking” goes, the Supreme Court has already kicked your ass a zillion times, you fucking clown.

You should be concerned, those are the actual legal arguments, and I don’t really see you as being in the same class as the lawyers who lost the case in the first place. So far, after 40 years, no politician or pro-life lawyer has been able to defeat them, I doubt some anonymous poster on a Glenn Beck site is going to do much better.

The fact that over 1,000,000 babies are aborted every year in the US should embarrass every  decent human being.  We are better than that.

You have nothing to add because there is nothing in the brain box.

I’ve already defeated them you idiot. All of my offspring are alive and prolife. I don’t have to check my brain at the door to defer to lawyers the difference between basic human rights and privilages and immunities. I don’t think you abhor abortion as you claim. If you are a Republican you are of the sort that has been the bain of conservatives for decades. You bastards think Roe v Wade offers freedom but your wrong it offers chains.

I’m not concerned with your jackassery. Legal arguments before what? Nine emporers? The point of the article you are commenting on is Cuomo’s usurpation of the New York legislatures power to regulate late term abortions. I asked critten to elucidate his argument, hoping to draw from him that according to the court viability is arbitrary. So I’ll ask you. When do one’s rights begin? At what point? According to the 14th. go.

You read the 14th and explain to all of us where it states anything about fetuses. It doesn’t because it has nothing to do with securing a woman’s right to an abortion. Now you fn coward. you tell us at what particular point in development a fetus attains the right to due process and equal protection under the law.Is it 22 weeks? 23 weeks? 24 weeks? what is it? Late term abortion is not a right. Partial birth abortion is banned period. so what at what point genius? according to the 14th.

Moron, a fetus never achieves rights under the 14th at any point in viability, which is why late term abortion is legal. The state is granted rights to regulate abortion in later trimesters, but they have to show a compelling state interest to do so.  

Moron, the 14th was never about fetuses. The pos justice Blackmun could’nt pinpoint a time in which a fetus is considered a human. Never did they determine that a fetus was only a human at birth. Blackmun was a activist judge and you know it. My question to you is at what point does a person’s “rights begin” at birth? Not even Blackmun wanted to touch that. Roe v Wade is bullshit. Roe didn’t even have standing to suit. A fuckin chimp is smart enough not to tie the 14th to a woman’s right to an abortion and a lot of really smart judges think so including William Renquist.

 bullshit. that may be blackmun’s opinion and yours. But that doesnt make it so. also fuck the 14th it was shoved down the throats of southerners and shouldn’t even be an amendment. Now here are the words that secured the deaths of 55million babies; “Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property without
due process of law”. Huh? How the fuck do you get kill babies from that sentence? Square that wv.

 My wife would never let me watch her soft porn cooking show.

There is no justification for late-term abortion, health problems or no health problems. All pregnancies are viable after 27 weeks. There is evidence to support that all pregnancies are viable after the 21st week. Not only do late-term abortions pose a threat to the mother’s health, but if you legalize late-term abortions, you’re legalizing murder. Currently, in 38 states, you can charge someone for second degree murder (via Fetal Homicide State Laws) for killing an unborn child. But wait, how can you murder something that’s not living? To me, that says we are recognizing a fetus as a living person and therefore we should adhere to those set standards consistently. It’s either a living person or it’s not. It’s as simple as that. We cannot condone one and condemn the other. Legalizing late-term abortions is a slippery slope. I mean, that woman from New York that just died recently from complications involving a late-term abortion was only aborting the fetus because they detected “abnormalities” with the fetus. I don’t know the entire story, I don’t know how severe the abnormalities were, but we cannot allow couples to abort a child because it may be mentally or physically handicapped. When you choose to have a child, you enter it understanding the risks of birth defects. If we start to abort fetuses that have any chance or sign of a possible handicap, we’re calling these people a mistake and essentially trying to rid the world of handicapped people.

You are amazingly nieve, myopic and cowardly in your comments.  The unborn child is a thinking, sensing individual even though it is still attached to the uterus via an umbilical cord.  It is not a tumor or fetus so that you can dehumanize and justify its death.  This does not absolve responsibility.  Why don’t you just admit that abortion is killing of a living being.  People like you are probably more concerned with cats and dogs than humans. If you are ok with the killing of a human because it is dependent then why not allow killing of 2 day old infants, elderly in nursing homes, liberal people who are dependent on others for their survival or anyone who annoys you.  Your logic is flawed and the Roe v Wade decision was not dependent on the 14th Amendment.

 I have been railing on this for years. It’s madness.