Rape survivor on gun control: How does rendering me defenseless protect you against a violent crime?

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Tuesday on The Glenn Beck Program, Glenn interviewed five rape survivors who were staunch supporters of the second amendment. In the current post-Sandy Hook political climate, federal and state legislators across the country are pushing for increased gun control. But the women who joined Glenn tonight made strong arguments about why they disagreed with the infringement of the right to bear arms.

The show focused heavily around comments made by Democratic state legislators in Colorado about how women should handle a potential attacked.

Colorado state Rep. Joe Salazar said, “It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at.”

Many of the women were insulted by these remarks, specifically criticizing the efforts of progressive politicians eagerness to pass laws related to abortion and what happens to a woman’s body, while at the same time denying them the choice to carry a gun as protection.

But comments weren’t only directed at politicians at the state level. the During the interview, Kim Corban Weeks derided Joe Biden’s comments on how people can still go out and buy a shotgun.

Biden told a crowd, “If you want to protect yourself, get a double barrel shotgun. Have the shells for a 12 gauge shotgun, and I promise you, as I told my wife—we live in an area that’s wooded and somewhat secluded—I said, Jill, if there’s ever problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put that double-barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house. I promise you whoever’s coming in is not going. You don’t need an AR15. It’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use. And in fact, you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun.”

Weeks said, “With all due respect to happen when she’s done with those two shots and they keep coming? Do you really think those warning shots are going to fend somebody off?”

“It’s a slippery slope,” she added. “Why would you mandate how many shots I can have.”

Weeks wasn’t the only one disturbed by the anti-gun rhetoric coming from politicians.

Glenn asked the women if there was anything they wanted to make sure the audience heard. Amanda Collins, who was raped on her campus’s gun-free zone not far from the campus police, spoke up about why she disagrees with taking away the “equalizing factor” of the gun.

“It’s nice that I was in a safe zone but my attacker didn’t care that I was in a safe zone. I was denied the one equalizing factor that I had when I was up against a man who was much larger than me,” Collins said. “A firearm is the one equalizing factor.”

“And there’s a lot of hypotheticals being thrown out there…but this is my reality,” she said.

“My biggest question that I yet to get an answer on is: How does rendering me defenseless protect you against a violent crime?” Collins said.

When Glenn asked them whether gun control was about guns or control, they all agreed it was about control.

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  • Anonymous

    Firstly brave women.  It sickens me that men can do this to women. scumbags.

    I understand these women wanting to arm and protect themselves, I don’t think anyone unless they’ve been through such an ordeal can relate or understand what it must feel like.  I do take issue with Glenn using this as a 2nd amendment argument to the current proposed laws.  Its no different to those poor poor families that lost their children in Newton, CT who want to ban and restrict guns, you can empathizes with them, but unless you been through it, how does one understand and relate.

    This is no different to President Obama having the children behind him as he signs the bills.  It’s pure emotional manipulation and cashing in on fear and all it does is divide us further and further.

    • Greg Williams

      It’s different.  Here, you have someone that is a real victim disagreeing with those politicians that claim to be speaking in her behalf.  The Newtown school was also one of those “safe zones” the politicians talk about.  This debate about gun control and conceal carry permits, etc. should not even be discussed.  Four simple words at the end of the 2nd Amendment “shall not be infringed” makes it clear.  There is no exceptions and for a reason.  The founding fathers knew that if any exception for any reason was included, the government would eventually push every into that exception category.  You say crazy people shouldn’t own guns, and I say if they are too crazy to be able to own a gun and exercise their rights, then they should be institutionalized.  Convicted felons, same thing.  If they are too dangerous to be trusted with a gun, then why are they on the streets?  We have seen the government involuntarily commit citizens, who are not deemed mentally incompetent, yet that involuntary commitment automatically removes their 2nd Amendment right.  We make felons out of spouses because we now label arguing as domestic violence.  It’s not about “gun control”.  It is all about people control.

      • Anonymous

        Wow, really The Newton School family aren’t real victims? I’m not saying anything about the guns, I’m talking about the tactic’s of emotional manipulation in the media a politic’s. What Glenn did is no different.

        Really? not real victims, wow…..

        • Brady Smith

          The families are victims of the tragedy but they aren’t victims of a shooting. Not like these women were real victims of rape. It is different. It doesn’t diminish their loss by saying so. 

           There’s no manipulation on Glenn’s part when he is simply allowing 5 women to tell their stories truthfully. Not like when the President gives a press conference and has 15 little kids standing behind him for no apparent reason. 

          • Anonymous

            Ha, ha, ha. No manipulation on Glenn’s part. That dude is all snake oil

          • Anonymous

            Wow, ok let me rephrase it using your term of victim.

            Gabriel Gifford, Steve Barton and Megan Hobson all victims of shooting incident (they were actually shot) All attended the state of the union, and were called out and shown on tv. All three are propionates for stricter gun control laws. Their arguments are just a valid as the 5 brave women Glenn had on to tell their story which is part of the bigger picture of Glenn argument against stricter or any gun control. Thats my point, I can’t fault or argue with any of these brave people, I don’t know whats it like to be a victim of rape or to be shot, so I think it wrong to use this a emotion manipulation to put forward political point of view, which ever side you are on. Thats not to say that these stories of survival don’t have an place in the debate, but they’re used in the spin factory and their voices are ultimately lost.

            I just don’t belief it was a constructive thing for Beck to do and that it hypocritical to call the President out for similar things.

          • mrstockenstine

            Stricter gun laws would not have helped the three you name whereas the exercise of their Second Amendment right guaranteed by the Constitution but denied to them by legislators who swore to defend and uphold the same constitution might have prevented their violation (and many more rapes and murders of women).

    • Draxx

      Answer me Very Clearly WinstonWashington…

      What is supposed to stop Anyone Who Is Intent On Getting A Firearm From Going South Of Our Borders And Buying One On The Black Market???  Stopping the sales here and banning them WILL NOT STOP Anyone who is whole heartedly intent on getting something (not the best example but it can easily be reality, in Uncommon Valor Gene Hackman’s character bought Weapons On The Black Market because they had Intent to finish a mission that they were willing to Die For…).

      • Anonymous

        I’m not arguing about 2nd amendment, or the right to protect oneself. Two thing I support. My comment is about the emotional manipulation. Glenn criticized Obama for using the children and then he does a similar thing.

        • Draxx

          Understood, thanks for replying…

      • smokehill2

        Anyone who can’t make a zip gun in their basement, or a single-shot shotgun, with 20 bucks worth of tools and 30 bucks worth of common hardware parts, is too stupid to be trusted around sharp tools.

        No need to go to Mexico — there are more & better guns sold in alleys in every city in the U.S. every day. And cheaper, to boot.

        Anyone who thinks any “gun ban” will have the slightest effect on criminals is too dumb to even be in the discussion.

    • Kanak Attack

       Winston, that’s the whole problem.  Liberals use emotion to make decisions instead of using logic and the rule of law.  That’s why minority groups and special interest groups cling to democrat and liberal politicians.  They know they can use a sob story instead of logic to get their way even when it means taking the freedoms and rights of the majority.
      This is NOT Glenn Beck “using” rape victims to push some sort 2nd Amendment agenda.  This is reality and that’s why progressives hate it.  They don’t want to see the logic behind it all or the other side of the equation.  They just want the sob story of an incident like Sandy Hook to push their governmental measures of control.  They don’t see children being slaughtered by an evil man.  They see an opportunity.  They sit patiently waiting for opportunities like these to present themselves and they jump on them the second they show up.  Just like with the Gulf oil spill, Trayvon Martin, 9/11, and hundreds of other tragedies that tug at our heart strings.  They know they can take advantage of our emotions to force us to refute logic and laws as binding as even the Constitution.
      Our Constitution and system of checks & balances was created to steer clear of this sort of decision-making.  It was to protect us from mob-rule where emotion is the foundation instead of justice. 

      • Anonymous

        c’mon really! only liberals use emotion?

        “This is NOT Glenn Beck “using” rape victims to push some sort 2nd Amendment agenda.” The title of the piece is a conversation changer on gun control.

        Its the exact same tactic’s of using “A sob stories” as you put for a political and personal agenda’s

        • Yoran Asse

          Winston, where else would someone hear about these victims? Do you really thing that ABC,NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, DailyShow would have these brave women on their shows discussing a right that was taken away from them via ‘safe’ zones? Do you?

          I suppose that you would just like these women to go away and not hear about any of these stories?

          It seems to me Winston that you are using the sale old progressive playbook. Demonize the messenger, forget about the message.

          I for one, am not buying your bull.

          • Anonymous

            It was actually discuss on NBC and CNN, just not in a constructed way, it was focused around that asinine comment that Rep. Joe Salazar made.

            Thats my point, these stories whether its pro or against, are never balanced with the other side, so its starts divided point of view, with no middle ground, ever. Both sides use it and I’m sick of it.

            “I suppose that you would just like these women to go away and not hear about any of these stories?” Absolutely not, you clearly haven’t read what I’ve be saying. There stories are important as part of the conversation, not just for gun laws, but for society.

            I find it very amusing that if you question anything, that you must be Progressive or a liberal. like some shouting “HERETIC!!!”.

  • Anonymous

    I love to see idiotic stories like this.
    The bravery or toughness of the women should be admired.
    The idiotic part is how idiots like Glenn bring up one or two very isolated cases where a weapon may protect a woman but ignore the thousands and thousands of cases where women are raped at gunpoint.

    • Anonymous

      Oh, that’s right, we keep forgetting. if we just ban guns, those rapists with guns will throw them away, right? Armed robbers, too, I suppose.
      Maybe rapist would be less hesitant to attack women if they knew more women were armed. But it seems you think that the rapist should have the comfort of knowing their victims are defenseless.
      You might want to take just a second to think before you call somebody else an idiot.

      • Draxx

        That statement from conlings is something that Kree-Tin Would Say… and yes it was Idiotic!

      • Anonymous

        You didn’t make one valid point, but that is ok. At least you are thinking about other solutions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000057414475 Curtis Holloway

      What makes you think cases where a gun may protect a woman are isolated?  Thousands of people protect themselves with firearms every day, usually without a shot being fired.

      I was told by a liberal such as yourself that there’s just no evidence that armed teachers is a good solution to active shooters in schools.  Well of course there’s no evidence.  Schools are “gun free zones”, and law abiding citizens have no choice but to follow those laws.  Maybe if you would listen to people, to victims, to self defense experts, as opposed to working off your idiotic notions, then the rest of us who aren’t terrified of firearms will be able to defend our children.  Their blood is on your hands.

      But no, you don’t want to listen to those people.  You want to listen to people who know nothing about firearms, and nothing about defense.  You want to listen to Joe Biden, who is a self defense IDIOT. 

      • Anonymous

        Columbine H.S. had at least one armed guard.
        The colleges where these massacres took place all had armed guards.
        Armed guards are not the answer.

    • Brady Smith

      You’re missing the point. What these women are asking for is a level playing field. They are outmatched physically and a gun is the only thing that puts them on equal footing with a male attacker. Whether or not the attacker has a gun is not relevant. I don’t know if the stats stated by these women are accurate but instead of a rape occurring every 2 minutes I’d rather hear a rapist was shot in the head every 2 minutes. 

    • Brady Smith

      You completely miss the point. These women want to level the playing field against male attackers that outmatch them physically. A firearm is the only solution that can accomplish that. Whether or not the attacker has a gun is not relevant. 

      • Anonymous

        I see your point. But a taser can accomplish the same thing can’t it?

    • Kanak Attack

       One or two isolated cases???  Are you a freakin’ moron???  Have you ever even looked at rape statistics???  90% of rapes do not involve a gun being used by the assailant.  My advice to you is if you’re an idiot don’t open your mouth to prove it to everyone.

  • Pamela Peltonen

    Women have to live in fear everyday of our lives because of bad men. We don’t want men telling us whether we can have guns to protect ourselves from men.

    • Draxx

      I am a Male, but I would easily say that Women Still Are Not Treated As Equals With Men on all subjects…

    • Anonymous

      Glenn Beck would like a woman with a gun to squat over his flabby man boobs and squeeze out a hot loose poop. That’s what Glenn Beck would like

      • jeannej1

         Are you one of the progressives? You obviously cannot discern when someone speaks truth. Glenn Beck always speaks truth, when you soften your heart the stupor over your mind will let you see truth.

        • Anonymous

          Beck is like one of the Moneychangers from the Bible. He’s a phoney and a liar. He’s also pudgy and perverse. He used to give blumpkins to his drug dealer in exchange for cocaine when he was a morning zoo host

          • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

            I think you have one to many dimples…you have a mind that has sunk to a new low and it shows in the way you write and think.  Gosh can you clean up your thoughts?

          • Anonymous

            whitedimples you are so blind to the truth you wouldnt recognize it if it hit you in the face, Glenn Is Glenn Lives The Truth!! You’ve been so blinded by the Liar-In-Chief who Follows The Father Of Lies All His LIfe,Lucifer…Lucifer Is Barry-Hussein-Osama oops Obama’s role model his whole life!!!and you will follow him to hell when this life is all over if you dont change your life to see the Light..The Light of Truth..for as Glenn Says and LIves,The Truth LIves Here!!

          • Ley Gho

             Go back to 4chan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/allan.spear.37 Allan Spear

        Your comment says far more about you than it does about Glenn.

        • Anonymous

           You nailed it Allan.

          • Justone View

            Two sick people. 

        • Justone View

           You are one of those that is sick in this society. What pathetic thoughts you have. Shame on you Allan. Grow up and become a real human being and maybe a man.

          • Anonymous

             So let me get this straight–Allan Spear should be ashamed for criticizing a guy who sexualizes feces?

        • smokehill2

          Ever notice how Democrats always obsess about sexual fantasies involving homosexuality or obscure perverseions indulged in exclusively by liberal freaks?

          Methinks a good therapist could have a lot of fun with that.

      • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

        are you serious?   exactly what does that mean?

      • Pamela Peltonen

        What the hell is the matter with you? You are one very sick individual. May I recommend therapy.

        • Anonymous

           I have worked with many men and women like whitedimples, they just want to make you angry. The best thing you can learn is to forgive them, and let go of the anger. Those who want to make you angry won’t botther you some day. People like whitedimples are miserable, and they want company with their misery. They live in self-pity.

      • Pamela Peltonen

        I think you have made my point.  Again, let me say women have to live in fear everyday because of bad men. You are a bad man.

        • Justone View

           Pamela, these are the sick people that you have a right to protect yourself from. Allan and Bluewhatever are  proof that we live in a sick society. Small man syndrome no doubt.

      • Anonymous

         People who like to spew hatred those others as you have towards Glen, leaves me to ask the question, do you care where you are going to be when it is your time to leave this earth? More and more minsters are saying they believe these are the end times. Have you thought about it? How about you focus on yourself and take care of yourself, and let others take care of themselves the way they want to.

      • Anonymous

         What is it with you lefties and feces?

      • brooklyn15

        You are one sick poopy.

      • smokehill2

        And you wasted your valuable time advertising your fantasies online when you could have been oiling your skateboard wheels, little boy?

        My six-year-old nephew could have sat on the keyboard and written a more intelligent post.

  • http://twitter.com/scootron2000 Les Patton

    For those people who argue that these are isolated incidents, I suppose if someone from MSNBC had these women on then it would be OK. It’s all in the presentation. If it comes from someone you hate like Glenn Beck then you automatically assume it’s a lie.

    • Anonymous

      If Glenn says it its automatically a mouthfart

  • Anonymous

    Glenn has the chubbiest vagina on that stage

    • http://twitter.com/MiraiMangaka MiraiMangaka

      Really? Instead of arguing the point that is being made like an intelligent person, you choose to throw random insults at Glenn?

      It’s like watching an ape throwing poo at someone for no apparent reason. You can’t just walk away.

      • Anonymous

        An ape throwing poo would offer a more balanced discourse than the pasty vagina of Beck, whose bowels are connected to his throat and mouth so he can fart this kind of hooey on his TV clubhouse show

        • Anonymous

          Glenn and the two heavyset yahoos on his show are like three high school nerds who never fit in and have a secret club where they can feel cool. Its just odd that they have an audience. I suspect that a huge majority of Beck’s listeners are obese and self loathing

        • jeannej1

           LIKE I SAID MISINFORMED; SINCE WHEN DOES A MAN HAVE A VAGINA; CASE CLOSED!!!!

  • Anonymous

    The woman at the end making Holocaust comparisons to the US, where we have more guns than anywhere else on the planet, is the kind of sadly misinformed dunce that Beck capitalizes on

    • jeannej1

       YOU ARE THE MISINFORMED!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Dear Glenn,

    Thank you so much for doing this show on rape victims and the 2nd amendment.  As a rape survivor I am grateful to you for your efforts.  I would like to point out to Mr. Salazar that whistles, safe zones would not have protected me on the fateful night.  His comments are insulting.   I don’t know if my outcome would have been different for me if I had a gun since I had three attackers,  but I would like hope so.  I will be purchasing a weapon for my daughter when she gets older in hopes that she will be able to avoid any such circumstance should it arise. 

    Thank you again. 

    Jill

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dale-Brown/100002023689572 Dale Brown

    the power of fear works look Oblamo want’s more money or he will release prisoners fire government workers which are liberals so what reap what you sow ect ect scam man terrorist info trait-ed highest office sheep blinded buy free free free me me me  flock     

  • Boca Bob

    It all sounds nice.. Just ask Marissa Alexander about firing a single warning shot. You can find her for the next 20 years sitting in a state prison in Fla. for firing a warning shot into a wall. No one was hurt. Yet she was sentenced under fla’s 10-20-life law. You use / branish a gun 10 years. You fire the gun 20 years. someone is hurt by falling as they ran away LIFE

    • Anonymous

      pwned!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1220545845 Lea Carrion

    A fellow male employee told me one day that guns should be banned out right in these United States like they are in Europe. My response was: “Move to Europe” nah j/k, what I said was: “If I walked into my home and there was a man raping my daughter, you bet I’d shoot him and I would not miss.”
    This really bothers me, we have the right to protect ourselves, why wouldn’t we!?
    One final word in what I think is going on here; I saw this on a bumper sticker many years ago, (bumpers can say some pretty profound things); “The government doesn’t like armed peasants”.

    • Anonymous

      When Glenn Beck was a morning zoo guy, he was totally addicted to cocaine. Sometimes, he could not afford to pay for cocaine, so he would fellate a black drug dealer until the dealer ejaculated in Glenn’s mouth. Its just what Glenn had to do to get drugs he could snort up his nose. Thats Glenn!

      • Anonymous

        If someone walked into the funeral of one of your loved ones, parent, spouse, child, etc., and said all these things  that you have done here, it would be veiwed as a most loathsome, insensitive and despicable act. 
        You must agree that this would be a most inappropriate time for someome to express their own personal hatred for another.  
        What you are doing here is no different!

        This is a story about survivors of rape….which I too happen to be…expressing  their concern that,  another entity is trying to gain control of their personal rights…AGAIN! 
         And you have the mindless audacity to not only try to hijack this story to spew your hatred…..you proceed to use sexual epithets.
        You have no moral compass!

      • jeannej1

         I sure hope you can prove what you are saying, because you are defaming, slandering, dishonoring and proving that you are the addict. You are despicable, but I think you already know that. Do your worst everything you say will be held against YOU; Someday you will understand. You don’t even amount to a hair on Glenn Beck. PURE EVIL!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.filipeli Tony Filipeli

    I like that they used the word SURVIVOR—most people use victim.

  • jeannej1

    I too am a rape victim, assaulted with a knife to take me to the desert, I also was assaulted by the date rape drug, don’t know how many people it was on a lake outing with friends. Government needs to stay as far away from all issues regarding our personal lives, everything they touch turns into a disaster, we all know what is on their agenda( the Government) and it is not our welfare. There are a lot of rapists out there ( Don’t know why) I’m wondering if some of the rapists and men and women who assault, aren’t the ones making up these immoral measures to protect the rapist? Is there anyway to impeach the whole Government? Especially congress and the senate, they are not doing their jobs and not earning what they are being paid, I believe the words cowards would be used appropriately. Let each State Govern them- selves  As soon as they get our guns watch out for the concentration camps, that is exactly how all of the Jews we killed; confiscation of guns.(read your History while you still can find truth) we the people can govern ourselves. Everything the Government is doing is raping the people, and telling us we deserve to be raped. so when we are to broke financially and every other way ( they have left no stone unturned) when they think we have given up they will attack.

    • Anonymous

      Jeanne, I was thinking the same thing. On that show To Catch a Predator, there were cops and teachers, clergy, and physicians etc. who showed up to molest young people It is all about stealth. How many sex scandals have we heard of in Washington or in the church. The world is full of bugs who rise to high places, or into offices where they can make rules, all the while circumventing them, themselves.   

      • jeannej1

        I cannot respond , it says link not found.

      • jeannej1

         1MEAN CORTEZ, I wish more people could see the way you do to realize how we the people need our protections; most people cannot see past their own selfish reasoning with no personal experience. Predators enjoy pain (YOURS) they can dish it out, but cannot take it.If we don’t stay awake it will get worse much worse. We do have some people who can’t see the Forrest because there are too many trees, so we the people( the ones who really care about people) will have to stand together, United we stand, Divided we fall.

  • Anonymous

    First I take it Mr biden is unaware that shoting a shot gun as a warning to something that might be outside is against city limits law. Where as, shoting a shot gun/hand gun/weapon to protect yourself is a different story.
    Second, I am for the right to bear arms, and I own them. I have also fired a shot gun and a military M16, he needs to try them and readjust his logic. M16’s are much easier.
    Third, women don’t just rely on the gun/weapon thinking you will be able save yourself. Retreaveing the gun/weapon and mag to protect yourself if under attack, chances are you will not be able to and, I don’t think the assaulter will wait patiently. Learn self defense and use the gun/weapon as a back up plan.  There are many self defense classes that will render a threat useless leaving them with pain and a reminder his/her behavior will not be tolerated. You on the other hand will be left with empowerment and not the emotions that come with taking a life, something that very few comprehend. 
    Just my two cents.

    • Anonymous

      Biden is a career politician, who knows how to do nothing other than dine at the public trough. He has worked at telling others what to do, his entire life, but like most of the politicians in Washington, has no clue how to make something with his hands, or to actually do something. These politicians are not what the founders of America had in mind. You know, Abraham Lincoln had intended to return to Springfield Ill. and continue in the practice of law, after his term as president was up. His law partner kept the business running, while he served as president. Imagine the humility of politicians who stepped up to serve, and then went back to their respective careers. Imagine the  president was willing to humble himself to argue a case before a county judge. No, now we have arrogance at the highest levels. People who seek to get as many goodies as they can get. It is all about them, and their benefits. What is good for them, not our country. This is why we are all frustrated. We have people who have no clue about anything other than sitting on their a** all day long in lunches, and occasionally showing up to vote (always when it pertains to pay increases for themselves). This is one of the main problems with our country. People who don’t know squat, telling us what we should do. Would Biden or any of these career politicians be humble enough to do some real work? I don’t think so. It is not surprising at all that this fella comes up with assine advise like he does. If a women followed his advise, she would put herself in severe danger, and also potentially be charged with discharging a firearm in a municipal limit or some other related charge. Imagine that, telling people to do something dangerous and illegal.

      • jeannej1

         Way to go 1MEANCORTEZ, keep telling everyone the truth because Biden now wants people to just shoot through the door before they know who’s there.I think his advise is just some way to prove his LUNATIC point and grab guns from others. People who listen to him would have crossed the line and they will own the stupid act; Biden will just say what!! Their crazy, I don’t know what they are talking about. He’s baiting a lot of people who never pay attention to what is really going on. WAKE UP PEOPLE THEY WANT TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL OF US!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/katherine.mulhall Katherine Johnston

    I wish people would wake up!!!! it’s crazy that those people can be so blind as to think that by taking about guns we’re making things safer. It’s just giving those criminals a greater chance of getting away with something because you couldn’t stop it or protect yourself. I stand by my guns and say, guns are not evil. it’s the evil people in this world that choose to do something stupid and get everyone punished.

  • Anonymous

    I was a social worker, and routinely came into contact with rapists. I am certain in saying that they never change, and that very often you will not suspect them by just looking at them. If they discontinue raping, it is not due to a change in moral reasoning, but rather that they fear punishment. Their actions are about power, but the thing that many people don’t like to look at is that their behavior is also about sex. If it was just about power, they would hold someone down, or physically control them. However, they enjoy the force in sex. Based on this, they are animals who should never get a second chance. Once released from prison, it isn’t a matter of days, if not hours that they are moving in on women, with evil intentions. These are the poster children for assessing gun free zones as areas that are safer for them to carry out their evil work. Call boxes, whistles and that type of thing is utterly and completely useless when dealing with these vermin. Their goal is to use force to release there seed into a another human. They have no desire to be penetrated themselves, with a high velocity lead projectile.  A handgun entirely changes the power differential. 

    One of the problems with rapists is that social workers, and mental health professionals have worked very hard to redefine these people as “sick.” Of course this implies that since they are sick, they can get well. Of course those who work in that field, being charged with healing those individuals, hold the key, based on skill, education, and technique. However, the problem is not related to an illness, or sickness, but rather to evil. These people are evil, and if you have problems with this word, in a religious sense, then please consider it in a moral, or philosophical sense. They do not get better, and mental health services are entirely useless. Women need to fully undertand that when they obtain a frearm for protection, it is to defend against evil, not illness. They need to undertstand that they are being pursued by a monster. A Hideous evil monster that makes the creature depicted in movies such as Alien, look like hamsters.  

    Based on the above, I think that the women in the video have come face to face with evil, and are uniquely qualified to comment on any issues pertaining to firearms. These women need to have their voice heard at the national level. This information needs to be spread far and wide. Rather than listen to some smooth talking arrogant basta*d who has been able to bullsh*t their way into a position of authority, it is these women who should be the voice and face of this contrived debate.

    Congratulations to Glenn Beck for his insight into the necessity of bringing these courageous women to the attention of us all.

    • smokehill2

      Very well put. I have no problem considering these scumbags as simply evil, and I’m an atheist. One doesn’t have to have religious beliefs to acknowledge that there is good and evil in the world, and indeed good and evil people. One does — or should do — what is right and moral because it IS right & moral. It’s the only way society can work, and generally things work out better for a person if they DO what is right and moral.

      The real reason social workers & shrinks in general try to classify any crime as some sort of disease is that they really believe no one is bad or evil … they just need treatment … never mind that virtually no “treatment” ever works, even drug programs. And by selling this nonsense to a gullible public, they assure themselves of far wider, and very well-paying careers, with the majority of the money essentially paid either by some level of government, or some insurance company — and we know all too well how the government holds down costs (snicker, snicker), or the insurance companies (who simply pass the cost on with higher rates). This is basically what turned the medical care system in the U.S. into the disaster it has become.

      It’s a scam and a racket, very similar to what the “atmospheric scientists” have done to pimp their formerly obscure, low-paying jobs, whose “research was mostly ignored by everyone except themselves into a huge industry underwritten by governments and industry worldwide. This self-promotion, with their “Sky is Falling” prognostications (that never come to pass), has put their careers into seriously high-paid guys that universities and giant corporations compete to hire.

      There is no money to be made by explaining that the sky is NOT falling — but huge bucks & lots of free publicity for everyone who pimps the wildest disaster scenarios imaginable.

      Bad science, but a really good business plan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/skip.rooney Skip Rooney

    Kudos to all these Women! I would like to see ALL women armed and know how to use them, but that’s not going to happen. I understand that some people just don’t like firearms or are scared of them. But when your life is on the line, you may change that line of thought it’s too bad that it will often turn out to be too late. I wish you all well and that your future is bright.

  • http://youtu.be/R7MC2wu49Cw Sam Fisher

    The liberals that are pushing for this are sexist and declaring a real war on women.

    • Anonymous

      Democrats are the ones supporting a ban on domestic abusers being allowed to have guns. The NRA opposes it.

      • http://youtu.be/R7MC2wu49Cw Sam Fisher

        And liberals oppose women right to protect themselves from rapist. Gee can’t you get anymore hypocritical. Oh by the way prove the whole NRA thing without using a left leaning source.

        • Anonymous

          Bullcrap. Give me ANY case of a woman defending herself with an assault weapon and I’ll concede the point. Under Democrats policies she’s still plenty capable of defending herself with a handgun, a shotgun, or plenty of other guns.

          • Anonymous

             Just provide the cite for your claim about the NRA so we will know if what you are saying is accurate.  That is not an unreasonable request.

          • Anonymous

             Just provide the cite for your claim about the NRA so we will know if what you are saying is accurate.  That is not an unreasonable request.

          • http://youtu.be/R7MC2wu49Cw Sam Fisher

            But that is the right they want to take from them in Colorado. I know of two in this area that where saved by so called assault weapons which translated from liberals means any gun that look scary.

      • smokehill2

        The part the NRA opposes is the seizing of someone’s firearms when there is NO evidence of violence or threats other than the unsubstantiated claim of their soon-to-be ex-spouse.

        This is now almost an automatic claim filed by every woman in a divorce proceeding, for two reasons — to get back at a husband they hate, and to make themselves more sympathetic to the judge hearing the case. Unfortunately, it works all too well with most family court judges (read: liberal gun-haters), who routinely grant every such request. I have had three friends divorced in the past five years, and they all lost their guns for between a year and two years. One, a well-known, talented competition shooter, missed out on dozens of matches, including defending his State Championship for two years running. Both his teenage children testified that they had never seen any evidence of abuse to their mother, and believed she was simply consumed with hatred & wanted revenge. The judge screwed him anyway.

        Are some women abused? Of course. Is every divorcing husband an abuser? Not likely. The NRA, along with a number of other legal groups, has opposed this “automatic” gun seizure & ban. Any suggestion that the NRA or any of its affiliates has ever opposed gun ownership by abusers is simply a LIE, that you perpetuate and have obviously never even bothered to look up.

    • smokehill2

      The first kill registered in the war on women was by Teddy Kennedy.

      Democrats are against rape unless it’s committed by a Clinton or a Kennedy

  • americanathlete

    As many rounds as it takes!

  • Anonymous

    I’m as left as they come, and a gun owner. 
    My sister also owns one and my mother owned two. (In fact, it was my mother who got me my first gun—a 22 rifle for my 12th birthday. I grew up in rural Alabama, there guns weren’t seen as weapons–but simply as tools that required extra care.) As an adult, I now spend my time between California and Europe. I no longer hunt or shoot for sport but own a gun for home defense. That’s when I’m in California. When in Europe, (Amsterdam), I have no gun nor have I ever felt the need for one. My friends there are surprised at how comfortable we Americans are with guns. Other first world countries have followed our lead on many things, but gun ownership among the masses is one they will let us keep as strictly an American freedom. (And they would be horrified to see a panel like the one above, where women are talking about rape as though it were in inevitability, something that one always needs to be on guard for.) But the stats don’t lie: America is the most violent first world nation on earth. I’d be a fool to leave myself unarmed here. By making it legal to own guns, we’ve made it necessary to own guns.

  • Ted Testerson

    Why haven’t we had an official response to the rumor that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?

    • jeannej1

       SEE HOW RUMORS GET STARTED, HAVE ANY PROOF TO THAT COMMENT?

  • Anonymous

    Nothing Democrats have proposed (background check expansion, magazine limits, assault weapons ban) would hinder these women’s ability to defend themselves with guns.

  • http://www.tavernkeepers.com/ John Daniels

    It stuns me that the same groups that go berserk anytime someone says something they perceive as not empowering women are silent through the comments that have been made recently.  Well, the silence doesn’t stun me but the blatant hypocrisy never ceases to….

  • tobias

    PLease Please IGNORE whitedimples he will go away crying all the time

    • Anonymous

      Flag him.

    • Anonymous

      Flag him.

  • Elizabeth Bracy

    I’m reminded in this article just how much of an idiot and buffoon Biden is. He is absolutely insane. Not to mention the libs advocating women to urinate and whistle while you’re being raped. It’s beyond ridiculous.

  • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

    Go LADIES. You already have plenty of rights in this country and the one I truly agree with is you should be armed against anyone who wants to threaten you with harm or rape or murder you. Once a man or a woman threatens you then you must protect yourself from them. They will carry through and you standing there with a gun in your hand will stop them. You don’t even have to shoot them, a gun in their face will send them running …running away from you. I have to admit that God has protected me, I believe,  from serious harm as many times I was faced with danger and somehow talked my way out of it. But there are those times when you don’t get a chance to talk to your attacker and make them get away from you, so that is why arming yourselves is perfectly fine with me. I am sure God is with all of us under all circumstances and that you are never alone,  but that is a hard pill to swallow when you feel alone and vulnerable and under attack… 

  • http://www.comcast.net Anne Gelinas

    There you go again.  You clearly have a fetish against Glen. And most likely many other folks who walk this planet.  You sound angry and that means you are an angry person anyway. 

  • Anonymous

    And what does Salazar know about rape and rape victims?  It’s easy for him to put forth HIS opinion, but, hey Salazar, talk to some of the VICTIMS before you spew your onsense.

  • Anonymous

     Don’t reply Mirai, just flag the comments.

  • Anonymous

    Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.  Why does his choice of weapon matter?  If a guy comes at me with a gun, I will want my own gun to defend myself.  If he comes after me with a knife, I will want a gun to defend myself.  If he’s bigger than me, I will STILL want a gun to defend myself.  I will want whatever weapon gives me the best chance at escape and survival. 

  • Anonymous

     Flag him. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GW6ALM3N2YFTOT6TN3GZGAHQG4 Frank Balcer

    Victims who shoot back live longer.

  • Anonymous

    How wonder what the percentaqe is of people who want more gun control and yet they hypocritically support abortion? They like to attack the weak. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, who is saying there should be no guns? Were any of these women intending to carry a machine gun? They have every right to protect themselves. Anyone who wants a legal gun should sign up, wait as long as it takes to confirm they are eligible, and get one. Sounds reasonable right? I guess that’s why nobody agrees, it makes too much sense. What people are being sold by the gun lobby is that any regulation will lead to the abolition of the second amendment which is silly, fear mongering propaganda. People are being made pawns by some companies who make their millions building killing machines. Regulation does not mean they are coming for your guns. Get over it. You have drivers licenses, don’t you? Yes, you have a right to a gun, but I also have a right to be protected from stupidity.

    • smokehill2

      Your protection from stupidity has obviously worn mighty thin, since you get your data from bumper stickers and know absolutely nothing about guns or gun legislation.

      California, Oregon, Massachusetts & New York City have been seizing certain firearms and magazines, legal everywhere else. So has Canada, and they keep retroactively adding guns to their “banned” list by fiat, with no parliamentary approval. Chicago has an even cuter plan — ban guns by raising license fees thru the roof. After they were forced to allow concealed permits, they instituted a $650 processing fee, a system that takes over 8 months, and over half the applications are refused for any reason at all, such as a 40-year-old DUI charge (with none since then). So you start over with an appeal to some commission who doesn’t even give a reason for the turndown. And there is a 16-hour range class … but since there are no ranges in Chicago you have to drive outside the city & miss two days of work — you can’t take public transportation of any kind since your gun cannot be legally registered or transported by bus or train until AFTER the training. Since the total cost is nearly $1200, plus around $600 for any decent handgun, only the affluent have guns, and the poor & middle-class Blacks who live in the high-crime areas have NOTHING ro defend themselves & their families.

      Everyone now believes that charging a poll tax to vote was wrong in the 50s since its real purpose was to keep poor Blacks from voting. But somehow charging them over a thousand dollars to use a right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights — that’s OK now?

      You still don’t think that many levels of government — particularly those controlled by the Democratic machine — are actively trying to suppress every possible gun they can?

      The NRA doesn’t even exist as a lobby for the gun companies, something the anti-gun freaks either fail to understand, or deliberately lie about. That’s a completely different foundation. The NRA is individuals, over four MILLION of them, and it includes a significant percentage of Life Members, like my wife, who have actively supported and contributed to the NRA for over 50 years. It is by far the oldest civil right group in the country, and its membership vastly exceeds the aggregate of lesser groups like the ACLU and NAACP. The NRA was actively involved in repealing the “Black Laws” in the South, which basically prevented Blacks from defending themselves against the KKK & similar groups of night riders & lynch mobs.

      Of course, since you parrot the silly phrase “killing machines” we have a good idea that you’ve never bothered to do one bit of research on either firearms, or gun laws.

  • Anonymous

    So, these women, are they against background checks or do they want rapists to have weapons too?

  • Take 2

    Progressives will never consider the unknown factor of how many are (safe) alive with second amendment Guns and ammo rights. The Progressive will buy stock in Guns and Ammo…in Oil -Gold-Fuel etc., this is a money making game that needs to be ignored. Pelosi Soros Gore etc., are good examples of ‘Progressives’ spooking the public for financial gains. 

    Move on from the Gun stuff-except contacting law makers.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    tuesday’s show this week was an outstanding starter conversation.  these woman, for the most part, were just beautifully articulate.  

    i especially like the older woman who, at the end of the program, interjected a wider view w/her “why are they taking the guns away” question closer.  i realize this was “off topic” but not really.  this is where we are.  this is how we have to wake the others up because the free person’s conversation is never going to fit into anything the left will “allow” so we have to shove it in their each and every time.  every time.  i do this myself often and it brings an uncomfortableness some times but i don’t care, i like awkward moments.  i applaud her and let’s see a whole lot more of that.

  • Anonymous

    I say make the punishment match the crime if you use the hand’s in a rape ,the feet, the penis,do as this crazy government has done about gun’s .
    Just blame the shoe’s that got the jerkoff to the crime !
    God bless you ladies thank you for your courage to tell your stories .

  • jeannej1

     Okay you don’t know what it would be like to have a gun pulled on you and being threatened to be shot or be up against a monster who (or monsters) who are going to rape you, ravage your body and no amount of pleas will stop it; You wish you could die so the pain will stop, excruciating pain, humiliation, then drug through more pain for trying to report it. Then can you or anyone else imagine how bad it will be when these monsters know they can do this anytime they want because there is no one that can protect you or protect yourself because a Government and ignorant people want to impose their views on why we can’t protect ourselves because a Government that does not care about us ( or for you if you really want to know the truth) you will be destroyed along with us. If you paid attention to all the people who are behind this EVIL are being paid in one form or another. Law abiding people use guns as needed not abuse guns. How many people have created mass killings as opposed to the law abiding citizen not creating these problems and the whole world has to pay for it?  Why don’t we just execute anyone for someone else s crime, it makes no difference. The guilty in this new society go free the innocent pay the price. The Government ignores the Constitution but fortunately WE THE PEOPLE STAND FOR THE CONSTITUTION SO WE DON’T FALL FOR EVERYTHING LYING, CHEATING, DECEIVING, GREEDY, PEOPLE WANT TO IMPOSE ON US. Remember the Holocaust; It is about to be imposed on us as soon as the Government confiscates our guns and all our other freedoms; YES FREEDOMS; I can’t protect myself well you will not be able to either, how long can people be paid out of others money till they run out of money then you people loving the situation will be subjected to the same thing?

  • Anonymous

    Wake up people ,our President is making his family and his cronies into royalty elites which  their families be in power for ever !!! This royal elite click of obama making themselves out to be like false God like figures  with God like powers of life and death at their whims over the none thinking expendable zombie insect worker slave drones !!!!!!!!!!!  In our schools government condition our children not to be individuals to be part of a collective, To remove our God given right of self defense ,must be left to government first responders or not to go to the aid of a individual  in need of help???!!!!  Our President  setting up for no opposition when government comes for your Grandma or Grandpa because  the false God obama deem they live long enough even they’re healthy have another good twenty years of  pain free life  with no need of major operations or treatments,then he go after handicapped,mental impair, and groups not in lockstep with him Tea Party,NRA,Jews,Catholics,Republicans,people who work hard all their lives and are living high, he will consider them all enemies of the country!!! Question is history repeating itself like in Pre-Nazi Germany against targeted groups where Jews weren’t allow to have guns to defend themselves from a rabid government polices and government created hates goon mobs ?????  Not many people step up and said no or defend Jews and other groups from rabid Nazi Government or  mobs painted ,false hatred ,but thery were sorry they’ didn’t step up ,for others against this rabid government !!!  When this rabid government came for you and your family there was no left to stand with you !!!  Wake up people keep exercising your God given right to be individual,exercise your right of self defense and to the aid of others in need !!!! Don’t let this obama who set himself up with his cronies as a false God like figure to take away your God given rights by the true God !!!!!!

  • renee

    Please don’t try and tell me that my rape would have been prevented or interrupted and stopped if I had carried a gun.  

    I am pro-second amendment.  However, I believe the conversation about rape and the conversation about gun control are separate.

    Rape is a crime about power and control.  It is heavily a crime committed by men against women, although there are certainly exceptions to that generality.  Why not try and get to the root cause to try and stop the crime?  We should teach in sex education programs the meaning of consent.  We should arm all young men and women with the knowledge of what to do if they are bystanders (as in the Steubenville case).  We should teach young people to respect victims who speak up and break the silence.  Should women be allowed to protect themselves by carrying a legal, registered weapon?  Absolutely, without a doubt, YES.  But please don’t tell me that carrying a gun, dressing a certain way or abstaining from drinking  prevents rape.  The night I was raped, I was sober and was wearing jeans and button up cardigan.  I said no, and he didn’t listen.  Even if I had had a gun in my purse, I wouldn’t have been able to get to it, much less be in the right frame of mind to use it.  Are there different scenarios out there?  OF COURSE, but when we start generalizing about what “women need to do to protect themselves”, we are putting the responsibility on them to prevent this crime.

    • smokehill2

      Surely you are the ONLY one that can prevent, or at least reduce your chances of being raped. Anyone who thinks that “educating” men on rape will have any effect is surely dreaming and doesn’t understand the sick psychology of the animals who rape. The only way you prevent them from continuing is by locking them up forever, or putting a bullet in their brain … though actually one through the belly is a lot more painful and kills them slowly.

      I know that it’s not politically correct to suggest that women who go into areas where rape is a higher likelihood should give any thought to their appearance.. In an ideal world a woman should be able to walk through those areas buck naked, drunker’n a hoot owl, singing F*** Me, I’m Easy at the top of her lungs without attracting unhealthy interest from perverts. But this is the real world.

      I taught self-defense courses to women for most of my 20 yrs in the Army — on my own time, no charge. I also taught classes in pistol use and techniques, and my advice to women was the same as to the men — your FIRST rule is to not attract undue attention. Blend in quietly, and wear stuff that doesn’t make you an attractive target. Don’t wear an Armani suit & Gucci shoes through a high-crime or deserted area. Wear a bulky coat, if practical; so that potential attackers think you MIGHT be carrying a weapon, or might be an undercover cop — or, at a distance, in the dark, may even think you might be a guy and overlook you as prey. Would you rather park your Lambourgini in.Greenwich Village, or a beat-up old Nash Rambler? Which one’s likelier to be intact the next morning? But it’s your body — take whatever chances with it that make you feel liberated.

      You say categorically that a gun would have done you no good as protection that one time. Maybe, maybe not. But if you had been adequately trained and paid attention in class, you would at least not have been DEFENSELESS that day, and would have known some techniques for how to carry that purse in your particular situation, so that you WOULD have been able to draw the gun in time — we’re only talking about one second or so.

      You talk about your “frame of mind.” If you need to think about whether or not your own body is important enough to defend with the ultimate violence (or your life, since often that is forfeit after a rape), then you have (or at least had) a moral dilemma that only you can sort out.. I have known people, especially women, who say they couldn’t bring themselves to kill another human being, regardless of the reason. I personally think that is truly bizarre, but it’s their choice, not mine. I have had the same choice a number of times and never had a second thought about it afterward.

      As I recommended to a number of D.C. women back when it was a purely NO GUN jurisdiction, buy a medium-sized or small hunting knife in a sheath, or a box-cutter (razor knife) and carry that instead of a gun — and make sure that your hand is ALWAYS only a short distance away from the handle. Find a friend to practice various scenarios with, and get comfortable with it. Not a perfect substitute for a gun, but it’s going to catch your attacker completely by surprise, and one quick stab or slice may well send him running. Of course, the ideal response is to keep stabbing or slicing as long as possible, inflicting as much damage as possible. Send a message, to him and his dirtbag friends. You may well prevent many other women from being attacked, thanks to your “message.”

      There is no actual “prevention of rape” that works except fear & violence. Pretending that some feel-good “education” is any answer is pure moonshine, and only moves the discussion from the real world into some fantasy parallel universe that avoids the reality of the streets.

      One thing is sure — you are the ONLY one who can prevent a rape, or defend against it. It certainly is not any cop’s job — they just come in after the fact and outline your body in chalk. But if you do not see self-defense as YOUR responsibility, you’re already in big trouble.