The Problem is You Cannot Change People, They Have To Change Themselves…

The only option you really have is to help educate them about the good and the bad, and hope that common sense will enlighten them to change themselves (otherwise it is an exercise in futility).  People will continue to do whatever they feel like whether it is good or bad, whether it hurts themselves or others.  We teach our kids in my house the difference between good behavior and bad behavior, instead of necessarily punishing them for the bad that happens we show them examples from their friends and ask them what do you think.  After getting their opinions/points of view then we educate them on how it affects others/themselves (in both short & long term).  Luckily for us they have some common sense and choose not to do things that hurt others, they still have some lessons about what can hurt them (but they are 11 & 13 and need to live a little life to learn some of those lessons).  But, one of the most important things is we Lead By Example, if we say something is bad we do not do those things (we don’t smoke, drink, cuss, or attack others for example).  We also help those we can, when we can, but we let our kids know that even if we cannot help them we can Pray for them and hope for the best…  Most importantly we acknowledge their successes and encourage them to continue, and we also acknowledge their failures and help them come up with solutions by prompting their own thinking and let them Change Themselves!!!

You sound like a good parent. Thank God for people like you. You are molding the little clay pots in which we will place our most treasured constitution. My grandson is 3 years old now. He comes to our farm twice a week to spend the day. I always talk to him about the constitution and why it is so important. I tell him that he is the next George Washington and he always says “No, I’m Logan”. He knows the first two amendments by heart already. I want him to see strong work ethic, good moral values and love of God.

Honestly, I don’t hold out much hope that people will change. I’d like to think they will, but I believe that we are too far gone. I agree with the libertarians on about 98% of the issues, but I just don’t think we are not ready as a people to handle drugs being legalized. Maybe I’m wrong. I’d be willing to have a open, honest dialogue with any libertarian on these issues.

I wish that people would put these kinds of issues aside until after we save our country. These issues are complicated and only serve to divide us further at a time when we should be coming together to save our nation. I’m actuallydisgusted by the whole thing and deeply disappointed in my fellow countrymen. We are dying here, and we have to stop and talk about legalizing marijuana in order to get people to stand with us?

Can people who believe in liberty come together? Sure they can, it’s called The Democratic Party.

No one has the right to do Evil.  We have no permission to bestow the right to do Evil.  Everyone already has Free Will Choice as permitted by God.  Those who desire Evil look to others for acceptance and permission — they are deceived to think they have protection, safety in numbers.  Swayed by shouts of “Freedom”, “Rights” and “Choice” or pummeled by shouts of “Hater”, “Bigot” and “Bully” the unwary acquiesce to those shouting and become complicit in the Evil.

Freedom does not equate to permissiveness!  True Freedom has limits. We must call Evil, Evil.  If Libertarians do not recognize and/or cannot define Evil then they are just a susceptible as  anyone to being led by Evil.

Individuals can change.  It is an act of the Will supported by Faith, Hope and The Holy Spirit.  It is *hard work*. It is Vigilance that must be kept for a lifetime.  That is part of the price to change one’s heart and reject Evil.  No one is too far gone.  No act of Sin is greater than God’s Mercy.

The problem with that is, that it’s your moral definition of evil. It’s not everybody’s. Liberty only stops when it interferes with that of another person. 

We are trying to come together. That’s why we’re having these debates. It’s the biggest issue, generally one of them anyway, that libertarians are hit with when they try to make their case. There is absolutely nothing wrong with levalizing marijuana. It’s the harder drugs that a majority of society has a problem with. If the federal government stopped enforcing these laws tomorrow, the states would have 

Good grief Glenn you’re an idiot. You spew the “Constitution, the constitution”  Jefferson said if it neither picks my pocket…  Then we have the analogy of “your rights end were my nose begins”. 
You talk about that “Sweet spot”.  I don’t want any of my money to go to foreign aid, “NOT EVEN ISRAEL”.  So don’t tell me that we need to get together and not be a “ONE” issue person.  If God is really for Israel, he will take care of them.  That is Biblical.

Free reign to draft legislation based on the will of the people. Marijuana has been found to have health benefits, and for a very long time it was legal. 

Glenn hates it when libertarians are 100% and says that you have to be able to compromise.  Is he willing to compromise on cutting foreign aid and that including Israel.

In reply to landofaahs, Right. But I honestly don’t believe the majority of Jews in the State of Israel today are even biblical Hebrews. Either way, he’s already stated that we can and do have our disagreements. It’s the bigger picture we need to look at though. As the Founders did. Not all of them were in favor of slavery. Not all of them were devote Christians. That’sjust the way it goes. But things like this are bigger than any one person. I may not agree with everything you say or stand for, but I probably would agree with you on several things and I believe you have a right to have that opinion and voice your concerns. That’s what it’s about.

I have chosen slavery to Christ.  That is true freedom.  Evil is anything that is anti Jesus Christ.  Just don’t try telling that the Jews and Muslims and atheists, and Hindu’s and agnostics and……

Really?  So you are willing for Christians to teach Christianity in Public schools?  Or is it only your liberty you seek.  I believe everyone has the right to speak everywhere and anywhere without some idiot stopping them, even in a public arena.  Are you willing to support that?

I know one thing for sure and that is that man does not, cannot and willnot change as a collective until Christ comes and establishes his Kingdom.  Bet on it.  Man is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow, failed, fickle, and changing to fit his own needs, full of sin and in need of a Savior.  God changes not.

fyi = Jack Hunter is not a libertarian, but an estab sellout that is for Romney.

The biggest and critical difference b/w cons/republicans and libertarians (moderate and anarchists like ron  paul supporters) is Israel.  Liberty is a far secondary goal for cons.  And cons do not define liberty as anti-ndaa/patriot act/internet censorship/drones – hence what the heck are cons and liber going to talk about?

Looking at the Hagel incidence, it is clear that cons really are one issue voters and absolutely nothingelse – other topics are discussed like debt but that is insignificant to Israel.  Cons passion/emotions are all reserved for the love of Israel and its politicians – they live and die for that small country of 6 millin that chose to move there for religious reasons and be surrounded by Muslims – and Americans want to take full responsibility for that with their children’s lives/future.

For ex, Rand’s vote for Hagel was not an Israeli issue to him.  He is consistent in saying for years that he believes presidents should have leeway in deciding their staff and it doesn’t have to do with convictions about Israel.  But conservatives-republicans don’t care about reasoning, so they will always hold it against him and media will use this to isolate him, and conservatives always allow media to tell them what to do/think.

Cons would rather vote for McCain/Rubio/Romney/Bush/Graham than Rand, simply bec of Israel-Hagel. Brennan/drones in US is a far bigger concern to liberty according to Rand, yet cons don’t see it that way and really don’t have sig passion against him.

Libertarians (anarchist branch) are very concerning here and a major embarassment.  Why do they keep taking bait and focusing on drug legal stance over and over???  Clearly, they are saying this is what they consider liberty and give the impression of being a bunch of potheads.  Instead, the most impt issues to libertarians are liberty assoc w/ ndaa/patriot act/drones, etc… Yet, they take establishment bait and look like fools as in this interview.  They have no courage to steer the conversation to impt issues and can’t even articulate well their drug legalization stance.

Christians are already  free to say what they want in public schools, unless they are employees of the government.  As government employees, the courts have held that they may not promote their religion to children because the COTUS prohibiits it because it can be construed as a govrnment endorsement of religion.

It is great to see a movement to bring libertarians together, it is essential.  My only issue is with the freedom scale Glenn keeps using, why place anarchy at the maximum end of the scale freedom scale?

If anarchy provides no unified system of protection from force then it clearly does not secure freedom.

Thats the problem with equating freedom with size of government, its not the size thats the problem, its the fact that freedoms are being obstructed.  True the government would have no need to be so big if it only protected the rights of individuals, but the size isn’t the cause of the problem.

 It sounds like you are against freedom and wish for a theocracy.

Really? Try having your kid pray in school and see how far that gets ya.

I don’t care if they smoke pot all day. I just don’t want to pay for it or the consequences of it. If people want to drink raw milk, someone steps in to say no. It is a pattern on both sides. Franbkly, let people live their own lives and suffer the consequences of their choices and the rewards, We have too many control freaks in this country. Everyone wants to have their hands on the control levers. I realize that these things are small, but that’s how they take down all the rights; They start with the small ones and end with the big ones. That is what makes them all important because one abuse leads to the other.

the war on drugs is a complete failure, we have an epidemic of drug use with or without it. but the war on drugs cause a serious side affect of violent drug cartels and street gangs along with street level dealers and users who increase the violent and non-violent crime rate by 85%+. how can we waste billions of dollars a year to increase crime and do nothing to stop the real problem of use. we had the same problem with alcohol prohibition and when it ended we still had the same problem with use but the crime rate dropped by a large amount.                                                                 people who will use drugs will use them legal or illegal. the only real solution is prevention education and rehabilitation which is the only thing that works. smoking is finally starting to shrink due to the large increase in prevention education which we didn’t have before. if we spent the money on prevention education and rehabilitation instead of criminal prosecution we would have much better results.                           as a former substance abuse counselor i can tell you from education and experience that the war on drugs actually fuels drug use instead of curbing it. we need to have prevention education for smoking, alcohol and drugs to stop new users from getting started which is much easier and less expensive then rehabilitation and especially criminal prosecutions. it will take some time to see the results but it’s the only solution to the problem. drugs and crime are a serious problem in our country which is helping destroy us from the inside out. we need to talk about it and get something done now rather then later.                                                                                                              libertarians are talking about saving our country from the financial debt, spending and lack of jobs, it’s the media along with the democrat/republican/progressive one party united that are shifting the talk towards social issues to make the libertarians look foolish and weak in order to keep their hold on power. they know that if the real libertarian message gets out they are done. don’t let them control the message, take control for yourself by getting your information somewhere else like the libertarian party itself.

I am against a false freedom called permissiveness.  If people want the government out of their lives then stop asking the government or me for permission.

Always be a servant to Christ never a slave.  A servant acts willingly with love and compassion, a slave is forced and manipulated and is not a willing servant.

The definition of Good and Evil are not mine but they are for everyone. Moral relativism is a bad start for Liberty — some will desire to cast a wide net of that which cannot be “interfered” with.

There isn’t any law preventing kids from praying in schools, you idiot, it is only illegal for the state to lead them in it. Call your school board if you don’t believe me.

read my earlier post about 15 down from here

Agreed and I like the message in your last paragraph. Now, why is it when libertarans get on media, they don’t know what you get.  Instead, they speak high level theory only and won’t go further into solutions or what it is about the design that caused failure.  They can’t put together a decent argument to save their life.  They don’t seem to know they need help or are ineffective, like preparation work or debate coaches.

And what is with Beck’s latest obsession with libertarianism?  Clearly, he is shining a negative light on it with this interview.

Nobody is “asking for permission”. They are asking for the same legal status given to heterosexual marriages. It affects your life in no way whatsoever.

a lot of it is the fact that media only gives you a short time spot and then they edit it to keep out the content they don’t want us to hear. not all the people who speak are as well versed as some of the others. although beck has always claimed to be a libertarian, he doesn’t follow the platform as much as he should. for some reason he only picks out certain aspects of the founding fathers libertarian platform and goes with republican ideals on the others. libertarians are strict on the founding fathers principles not adopting the conservative interpretation or principles.

Is really isn’t asking at this point because saying and voting “No” doesn’t sit well anymore.  It has become more of a demand with veiled threats — a demand for “the same legal status as (whatever)”.  Let’s remove the legal (governmental) status of marriage altogether so that legal envy will have no part within marriage and the government.  That way, people cannot compel me to legally recognize a false marriage.

I personally know a few married homosexual couples and they certainly would not call their marriage “false”.

And those polygamists in Utah would not call their marriages false.

  I do not consider myself Libertarian but a Paleo conservative with libertarian leanings. So while I do not approve of or condone drug usage I see the point of the libertarian thought. While not in full agreement in some of the thought from this side I find common ground in liberty.
As one that belongs more to a Jefferson constructionist view, it is not a role of our Federal government but for ones State to decide on legality,likewise abortion and squiggly light bulbs. The talk of weed IS part of saving these united Sates , as to the proper role of our Federal government in context to our republican form of government.
 You do not need to stand and talk legalization to have people to stand with you,but understanding the context of the liberty in question will go long in understanding the problem.

You got it. It is even more important these days during the obama depression. We’ve been increasing donations to the local food banks.
We had a sausage supper at church and 2 children who are unchurched remembered the Christmas gifts from the church and each of the 2 came with a dollar. They were the first ones there. These acts of love at that early of an age has the potential to change the world. One act of kindness can have the effect of domino’s.