We need a twelve-step program for the country

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“I’m looking at the twelve steps because I think that’s what I came to yesterday that we need a twelve step program for the country and we need to do it. And I think we’ve done a lot of them, kind of.

We’ve admitted we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.

We’re not powerless over alcohol – well, I am – but we as a country are powerless over money, power, fame, greed. The things that have destroyed us. Arrogance.

Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

I know that’s the only way.

Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over.

Ok.

Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

I’d like to do this with the whole country. I’d like to spend a few nights and see if we can do this because I think it would save us. At least save our sanity.

When I read the news now I say: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. I can’t change what’s happening in Washington. The courage to change things I can. I can change me. And the wisdom to know the difference.”

 

  • Anonymous

    I refer sometimes to the philosopy of Rene Descartes who conceived the Cartesian Plane in mathematics.  here is a good site for some noted quotes: 

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rene_descartes.html

    He said he acheived mental clarity by taking solitary time to “dump out all of his perceptions as though they were a basket of apples…examine each….and remove the rotton ones.” What is left is what one starts with when rebuilding a new perspective on life :-)

  • Anonymous

    If Beck and others were as passionate about Jesus, many people would be saved from everlasting hell. Political rights are negotiable from country to country, and even in America. But to be saved for everlasting life Jesus, the Divine Son of God says: “You MUST be born again.” The “gospel” of Glen Beck will do nothing to for you. It is the Gospel of God in the Messiah and faith in HIM that saves. What Beck advocated at the end of this film clip mentions God, but beck is a MORMON, and Mormons do not preach the Word of God, they preach the words of Joseph Smith.
    What is stunning is the history of Mormonism whose history is remarkably like the collectivist movements he criticizes in this clip!
    Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, even Michael Savage… ALL are fundamentally entertainers. I have heard Limbaugh and Savage admit it on air! They are making a living. (Ronald Reagan at least ran for office.) They are fiddlers fiddling while Rome burns. They are leading the right wing sheeple as much as the left leads the left wing sheeple and the great dialectic rolls on over them all. They ONLY way to break the strangle hold of the devil is by believing and receiving Jesus the Messiah, Lord and Savior of Israel.
    While these entertainers make an outrageously luxurious living off your faith in the false god of conservatism, the Truth of the Gospel of God passes in their media as unworthy of mention, and the Name of Jesus, and the gospel too. God gets mention frequently so that you and I can be comforted somehow that we are on the RIGHT (THE POLITICALLY CORRECT) SIDE. There are many on the left who similarly invoke “God” also, and also fail to IDENTIFY Him, for the same reason, to be comforted that they on the LEFT are on the POLITICALLY CORRECT SIDE.
    Heaven will not be gained by being on the “right” or “left” side of the political spectrum. Heaven’s King is won by faith in Him, and Heaven’s King IS Jesus the Messiah!
    Thousands if not millions of christians have been slaughtered by tyrants since the times of Christ. The first of them were Jewish! Their political views did not save them from being murdered, and could not have! They were murdered because they had faith in God the Messiah and would not recant faith in the Messiah >>>===> Jesus! The issue of denying ones faith is not something we think about much today. We think instead that because we are politically correct we will lead the nation onward to some conservative or collective utopia. And all the while the Lord moves inexorably onward fulfilling prophecy that NOWHERE mentions the USA!
    READ your Bible. Keep your eyes ON ISRAEL. Keep YOUR MIND on the Lord Jesus. Have the faith OF God. When you pass from this life to the next, political correctness will not be what God requires of you. God requires faith in Him, a faith causes YOU to ACTIVELY love what He loves, do as He does and to do so humbly WITH Him. (Beck’s faith and practice is via Joseph Smith and that is not the name of Him who saves).
    Micah 6:8The Message (MSG)8 But he’s already made it plain how to live, what to do,what God is looking for in men and women.It’s quite simple: Do what is fair and just to your neighbor,be compassionate and loyal in your love,And don’t take yourself too seriously—take God seriously.
    John 31 Now there was a certain man among the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler (a leader, an authority) among the Jews,2 Who came to Jesus at night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know and are certain that You have come from God [as] a Teacher; for no one can do these signs (these wonderworks, these miracles—and produce the proofs) that You do unless God is with him.
    3 Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God.
    4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter his mother’s womb again and be born?
    5 Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.6 What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical]; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.7 Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above).8 The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
    9 Nicodemus answered by asking, How can all this be possible?
    10 Jesus replied, Are you the teacher of Israel, and yet do not know nor understand these things? [Are they strange to you?]11 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, We speak only of what we know [we know absolutely what we are talking about]; we have actually seen what we are testifying to [we were eyewitnesses of it]. And still you do not receive our testimony [you reject and refuse our evidence—that of Myself and of all those who are born of the Spirit].12 If I have told you of things that happen right here on the earth and yet none of you believes Me, how can you believe (trust Me, adhere to Me, rely on Me) if I tell you of heavenly things?13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself],Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must [so it is necessary that] the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross],15 In order that everyone who believes in Him [who cleaves to Him, trusts Him, and relies on Him] may not perish, but have eternal life and [actually] live forever!
    16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ’s name.]19 The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather thanand more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil.
    20 For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Lightbut shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed andreproved.21 But he who practices truth [who does what is right] comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are—wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence upon Him].
    Isaiah 261 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah: We have a strong city; [the Lord] sets up salvation as walls and bulwarks.2 Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in.3 You will guard him andkeep him in perfect andconstant peace whose mind [both its inclination and its character] is stayed on You, because he commits himself to You, leans on You, andhopes confidently in You.4 So trust in the Lord (commit yourself to Him, lean on Him, hope confidently in Him) forever; for the Lord God is an everlasting Rock [the Rock of Ages].
    5 For He has brought down the inhabitants of the height, the lofty city; He lays it low, lays it low to the ground; He brings it even to the dust.6 The foot has trampled it down—even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy.7 The way of the [consistently] righteous (those living in moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relationship of their lives) is level andstraight; You, O [Lord], Who are upright, direct aright and make level the path of the [uncompromisingly] justand righteous.
    8 Yes, in the path of Your judgments, O Lord, we wait [expectantly] for You; our heartfelt desire is for Your name and for the remembrance of You.9 My soul yearns for You [O Lord] in the night, yes, my spirit within me seeks You earnestly; for [only] when Your judgments are in the earth will the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God).

  • Anonymous

    You act as though you know so much about the LDS Church; Mormonism. From what I have seen from this, it is easy to tell that you are very mislead or misinformed about the LDS Church. You have insulted the religion Beck and I share by claiming that we do not follow the words of God, but Joseph Smith (despite the fact that we study the Bible and that if you actually understood our teachings and beliefs, just how in line they are with the Bible).

    Second off, I’m getting the vibe that you believe in the completely false rumor that we are not Christian. That we seem to hail Joseph Smith as some kind of person equal to God. This is not true. Just as Moses or Isaiah were “prophets”, we believe Joseph Smith to be a prophet; you do not worship Moses, do you? Not do you hold him equal to God. Just the same with Joseph Smith; Joseph Smith is not equal to Christ, nor has he or any church leaders claimed him to be.

    You are mislead about the LDS Church and I will defend my faith against the misled and those who mislead. I know too much, I have witnessed too much, I have heard too much, and I have felt TOO much to deny this gospel and I will defend it. That is not to disrespect your own religious beliefs (and as far as I can see, you have a strong belief and I very much respect that).

    Now you have also said many misleading things about many of these radio/talk-show hosts that make then out as greedy, and I don’t have the patience to look up the sufficient evidence nor write it down to prove to you how your wrong, however I will say you’re wrong (and may I add, a little extreme).

  • Anonymous

    Nice rant but consider this….if there is only one way (and why would God do that), then we will always be in conflict until only one religious philosophy prevails. Isn’t it possible that all the religions of the world actually connect in design and the essence of those is to address the existance and susteinance of a stable society? Therein lies the solution we all seek.

  • Anonymous

    Ditto’s

  • Anonymous

    How to know when you’ve met a Democrat
    Just in case you have trouble knowing when you’ve met a Democrat,
    here’s an example of how one man made the determination (situations may
    differ from time to time, but the basic “signature” seldom varies):
    A woman in a hot-air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered
    altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Can
    you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I
    don’t know where I am.”
    The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot-air
    balloon approximately 30 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees
    14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees 49.09 minutes west
    longitude.”
    She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.”
    “I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”
    “Well,’ answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is
    technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your
    information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to
    me.”
    The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Democrat.”
    “I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”
    “Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are or where you’re
    going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot
    air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you
    expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were before we met, but somehow, now, it’s my fault.”

     

  • Anonymous

    That’s a brilliant monologue there.  I like it very much.  I recognize the Joseph Smith reference with your screen name there by the way. 

  • Pamela Peltonen

    Well said brother.

  • Anonymous

    Just to conjecture with you, I would like to talk to you about how I feel that Mormonism and Catholicism and lump the rest together Protestantism are highly distinct from each other.  In Revelation 22:18 it is said: “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:  If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.”  I come to you as a Lutheran who was baptized right after I was born.  
    I don’t have a problem with a Mormon calling him or herself a Christian because you do read and study the New Testament and however you interpret Jesus’ teachings compared to me, I do feel that we would agree on almost anything that He said.  
    The Roman Catholic Church prints the Apocrypha, seven books written so long after the rest of the Old Testament with a thread very inconsistent with the rest of the Bible.  It condones the practice of magic and purports that sometimes it is okay to lie.  
    I won’t get into how I feel about the teachings of the Book or Mormon, what I will say is that the entire basis for claiming it is God-breathed rests solely on the notion of the existence of the golden tablets.  Because he claimed in their existence, Joseph Smith basically set himself up for a gigantic fall.  If you are Mormon then you would have faith in the tablet’s existence.  I don’t disrespect faith.  
    The 66 books of the “canon” have a very distinct thread to them.  The Old Testament is the prophecy of He who was to come and the New Testament is the testimony of Christ fulfilling all prophecies.  Jesus was a scholar if nothing else because he cited the Old Testament prophecy EVERY SINGLE TIME HE FULFILLED ONE.  The Book of Mormon has absolutely nothing to do with the thread of the canonical books of the Bible.  It is a separate entity altogether.  The Bible isn’t a companion work.  It didn’t allow for a third testament and it was crystal clear on that.  
    Mormonism is simply an offshoot.  If you want to say that Mormonism is in line with the Bible remember, Jesus didn’t prophesy the endorsement of any 3rd testament at any time ever to come via any golden tablets.  Joseph Smith had different ideas about the Bible than Jesus did.  He was not sent by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  

  • Pamela Peltonen

    I’m just a farmer trying to make ends meet. I have no need for wealth only in so far as it allows me to help others. I do not seek fame or power. I have never been arrogant, but rather self-loathing from time to time. I haven’t an arrogant bone in my body. I need a twelve step program, but not for the reasons you outlined.

    I need to believe in myself again. Because half the people in this country don’t seem to care, I feel like I’ve been punching at the wind for the last 5 years trying to help save my country. Nothing I say or do seems to make a difference. There is only so much we can do if half the population doesn’t care enough about our country to pull their noses out of the cell phone, video game, or reality TV show.

    I guess all we can do is keep educating ourselves and others, trust in God, improve our own lives morally and spiritually, and keep fighting where we can. I sure am tired, but I’ll be here til the end with you Mr. Beck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.reesor James Reesor

    The FOX NEWS Top Rated Show?

    Yesterday was 6 March 2013: The FOX NEWS narcissistic author of “Killing Jesus,” Billy Bob O’Reilly, arrogantly demeaned “fundamentalists” with the tone of his voice when referencing the History channel version of Christ. Also, his interview with a Baptist minister who had a book to promote showed how inept he is when debating the authenticity of the Bible. He bravely questioned the belief of “Conservative Christians” with glee while believing his opinions do not represent a twisted, warped, secularist philosophy (Which must make his Catholic friends proud of him). Has anyone every heard him denigrate the Muslim religion? If not, why not? Is he a coward? Why does he despise those of us who are holy rolling right-wingers? By the way, this little blurb will be in my next book – which will not be mentioned or advertised on this site.

  • Bonnie Somer

    GLENN WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE PROGRAM WE WHOM ARE LEFT UNDERSTAND AMERICA AND WHO AND WHAT WE ARE.   WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WE MUST PROTEST AND SAVE THE CONSTITUTION AND OBAMAS AGENDA TO PICK A TOPIC HE WON’T WIN, THEN BLAM THE GOP FOR IT.   HE WANTS THE HOUSE BK IN 2014 WE MUST NOT ONLY KEEP THE HOUSE AND THEN TAKE TH SENATE.  WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THINGS GLENN THERE MUST B HOPE EVEN W/KERRY SAYING EGYPTS ECONOMY IS IMPORTANT SO WE MUST KEEP GIVING AID WHAT ABOUT OUR ECONOMY OUR PREZ, HIS VP HOLDER NAPOLITANO THE CZARS KERRY NOR HAGEL CARE ABOUT AMERICA WE MUST WE MUST DO THE RIGHT THINGS NOW GLENN THERE MUST B HOPE

  • Anonymous

    Scientific Breakthrough

    My research has resulted in the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named Governmentium.

    Governmentium has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 175 deputy neutrons, and 347 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 535.

    These 535 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

    Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected by the fact that  it slows down every reaction with which it comes into contact.

    One molecule of Governmentium causes a single reaction to take over four years to complete, when it would normally take less than a second.

    Governmentium has a normal half-life of 4 years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, thus forming more isodopes.

    This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as Critical Morass.

    The largest natural deposit of Governmentium is located in and around Washington DC. It can however be found in smaller quantities in most states. Individuals who are contaminated by even a small amount of Governmentium may be diagnosed simply because they very obviously lose their ability to judge between reality and fantasy, lose their ability to count money, develop extreme cases of idiot level verbal diarrhea and tend to lean to the left in everything they do. There is no cure for such individuals.

  • Anonymous

    But, there is hope….it has recenty been discovered that the moron bond between peons and neutrons can be broken when Governtmenium is bombarded with protesting protons. This causes it to break down back into its origonal basic elements of freedonium and libertieum!!! 

  • Anonymous

    I tried making my own tinfoil hat using the instructions on your web site Glenn. Didn’t work. Gubmint still read my thoughts. Currently being held in a Fluoride and HAARP-induced state of paralysis at a FEMA camp in Area 51. Gotta go, Beck fans, the shapeshifting lizard people are about to come back from their Bilderburg group meeting and take me outside for my daily chemtrail bath.

  • Anonymous

    Did you  try making my own tinfoil hat using the instructions on this web site? Sound like the gubmint is reading your thoughts. If you’re not careful you’ll end up in a Fluoride and HAARP-induced state of paralysis at the FEMA camp over by Area 51. Gotta go, the shapeshifting lizard people are about to come back from their Bilderburg group meeting and take me outside for my daily chemtrail bath. I’ll be with you til end too, Mr. Beck!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff8jDkOHp3U&feature=youtu.be Sam Fisher

    Says the moron that believed in sequester apocalypse 2013.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff8jDkOHp3U&feature=youtu.be Sam Fisher

    Says the moron that believed in sequester apocalypse 2013.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff8jDkOHp3U&feature=youtu.be Sam Fisher

    What we really need is a kick in the rear. 

  • Anonymous

    This might work. Just like with alcoholics, as a nation selfishness and self centeredness is the root of the problem. The problem with using the AA program as a guideline is that some smartass will come along and say that love and tolerance is our code, and that you are not being very loving or tolerant if you don’t agree with a liberal agenda…. 

  • Parker Romney

    The four cornerstones that give the twelve steps their strength are, first, the fellowship; second, the mentor; third, personal action and lifestyle change; fourth, the understanding of the theory behind the book.

    Maybe that’s how the education part comes together with other parts. Education is about us personally educating ourselves in “fellowships.” You’re our mentor, and we will become mentors. Your network, the marketplace, and so many other things help us change our lifestyle. Finally, we need to more fully understand the theory of the twelve steps for our nation.

  • Anonymous

    Pam, Be patient..think of Job.. FYI-society changes slowly and it is supposed to happen like that. If change is forced to happen to quickly or un-naturally, the ones that suffer most are the ones with the least amount of resources (mental, physical and monetary) on hand to help deal with it. You have a farm…you are equipped to feed yourself and your family. You probably have access to your own water supply. You and yours are going to be fine and, when compared to other areas of the world, you are very well off indeed. Life is a long term thing so we all can grow spiritually. Many of common mind driving toward honesty, decency, tolerance and understanding are here…..you just need to meet and associate with more that are of a like mindset.
    You may want to get one of these posters to put on your wall for motivation: http://www.amazon.com/Hang-There-Inspirational-Art-1970s/dp/0811839974
    Best, Mr TR

  • Anonymous

    No compassion from you, obviously…
    She wants/needs support and a revival of purpose in life!
    Pay attention folks…”critten” is a clear example of a person who is deciding to be psychologically destuctive…..Is that what we want to support?

  • Pamela Peltonen

    You are a funny guy Critten. That actually gave me a chuckle, so thanks. No tin foil hats on my head. That sounds more like Alex Jones stuff to me.

  • Pamela Peltonen

    Thank You!

  • Pamela Peltonen

    O’ Reilly likes to play devil’s advocate. He would disagree with you if you said the sky was blue or the grass was green.

  • Anonymous

    You’re quite welcome!
    (Chivalry is not completely absent from the world….I’ll even open the doors for you ;-)   )

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rena-Wetherelt/1191028429 Rena Wetherelt

    I have been saying that for a long time – that as a society, we would have to hit bottom, before we would be willing to change.  The Founders said as much in the Declaration, “that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to change the forms to which they are accustomed.”  Here is the part I find interesting, leftists are co-dependents, control freaks, dangerous as Nurse Ratchet, old fashioned enablers, and they need a twelves step meeting.

  • Anonymous

    To your Revelations scripture:

    First off, the Book of Revelations was not chronologically written at the end of the Bible. Now you seem to interpret the scripture as referring to the Bible as a whole. If that were true, then every book written after Revelations would be condemned and the authors of those books, being apostles and disciples, would all be condemned as well. So we can immediately conclude that John was not referring to the Bible, he was referring to his revelations in the Book of Revelations. I also find it interesting as in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 14:25-27) Nephi is having visions and revelation and is commanded to write it down, however he is barred from the last of it, which is the revelation John proclaims (and barring Nephi from proclaiming these revelations coincides with the scripture you provided to me).

    Now I cannot argue on the Apocrypha as I have not read it, but I can tell you that the LDS Church has said, “They are valuable as forming a link between the Old and New Testaments, and are regarded in the Church as useful reading, although not all the books are of equal value. …it is stated that the contents are mostly correct, but with many interpolations by man.” Now you’ve claimed that it justifies magic and can justify lying in some instances. Can you elaborate and show me scriptures? I’m honestly uneducated on the Apocrypha (except for what I learned about Judith and Holofernes in my art class for Gentileschi’s paintings. I might also note what the LDS Church has said about this book: “the historical contradictions in the story, as well as its general character, leave us no doubt that it is a work of fiction, in perhaps some traditional deed of heroism in early days has been worked up.”)

    No what you’ve said about the Book of Mormon: firstly, you said that its basis for being God-breathed rests solely on the existence of the Gold Plates. …I can insert this sort argument into many things in the Bible. Like the parting of the Red Sea. We do not have a whole lot of evidence to suggest that the parting of the Red Sea actually occurred. So how can we believe it? Faith and the words of the prophets. What about when Elijah called down the pillar of fire to consume the water and to provide the generous woman and her sick child with endless supply of food? Joshua crossing the river Jordon and shouting down the walls of Jericho? Elisha healing Nicodemus? What about Lazarus rising from the dead? Job, Joseph, Samuel, David, Daniel (along with his 3 companions who survived Nebuchadnezzar’s furnace), etc.? How do we know that these events and miracles occurred? Faith and the words of the prophets. This applies to the existence of the Gold Plates (or gold tablets, as you refer to them); we know they exist because of faith and the words of the prophets.

    You are somewhat correct, because in order for the Book of Mormon to be true, the Gold Plates would have to exist. But I would not say that it is the sole reason that the Book of Mormon is God-breathed.

    I find your summary of what the Old and New Testaments oversimplified…but I’ll leave it there. Also, I’m pretty sure you are incorrect in saying that Jesus cited scripture every time he fulfilled a prophecy; I know he did often, however I don’t believe all the time. I think Matthew covered what Jesus did not. You may be right, however I am doubtful of the claim…

    What you have to say next I will debate. Firstly, as I said, your summary of the Old and New Testaments is oversimplified and in that oversimplification you have managed to try to cut off the Book of Mormon from the Bible. I must ask, have you read the Book of Mormon? Because although it is certainly distinct from the Bible in many ways, it is not as “separate” as you have professed. They are very similar in nature. It’s like saying that that Matthew and John are completely separate. And I can quote myself here (with some changes) with the same message: “Although [Matthew] is certainly distinct from [John] in many ways, it is not as “separate” as you have professed.” May I also add that together they provide clarity to one another.

    You also claim “It didn’t allow for a third testament and it was crystal clear on that.” First off, where in the scriptures is this made crystal clear? It’s just not true, and I have a point to make about it in a moment.

    Your last paragraph is where I have a huge problem with your understanding of the LDS Church and the Bible. First off, what is Mormonism an offshoot of? Catholicism? Protestantism? If that is what you’re claiming, you are sorely mistaken; Mormonism differs in many ways with Catholicism and Protestant beliefs, most notably our rejection of the Trinity, the principle of “saved by grace/faith alone”, and predestination; that there’s no such thing as receiving revelation anymore, that the Bible is flawless, etc. (not that all of these apply to every religion). We are not an offshoot of Catholicism or Protestantism; we believe ourselves to be a restoration of the original gospel. Also, you are very much wrong about there being “no endorse of a 3rd Testament”. This is where I point you to Ezekiel 37:16-17,

    16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

    17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

    A “stick” is a scroll or book and it was common in Babylon during Ezekiel’s time. With that in mind, read the scriptures and understand that it is speaking of the book of Judah (the Bible, the book of the Jews) and also of the book of Joseph (which is the Book of Mormon, and I’ll explain why); the Book of Mormon is about the history of the descendants of Lehi, a man who foresaw the destruction of Jerusalem and fled with his family (and Nephi, who I mentioned earlier, was among them). They took a genealogical record with them and learned that they were descendants of Joseph and Ephraim. They eventually sailed to the Americas, which is where the Book of Mormon primarily takes place. Like the Bible, it is a record of events and testifies of God and Christ. It is literally the “stick” of the people of Ephraim. “And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.” And before you go onto some anti-Mormon website, let me tell you that a literal translation does not make sense and that I am aware that this scripture has dual meanings; the one I just described and the one representing the rejoining of Israel.

    Also, I do not believe that Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ had “different ideas about the Bible”. I am studying the New Testament in my Seminary class and I have not found any “conflicting ideas”. The year before I studied the Old Testament and I can once again tell you that our gospel does not conflict with the teachings of the Bible, not with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    And before I conclude my response, I would like to add that the Book of Mormon has been torn through by professionals of language and literacy (including an Egyptologist) have read through the Book of Mormon and are fascinated. They have concluded that there is no way that Joseph Smith, a farm boy with a 3rd to 5th Grade education that could barely write and still composed, with help, the entire book in 59 days (not including interferences), did NOT know fluent Egyptian and Hebrew. They’ve concluded that he had to have been a genius in the culture, literature and language of Egypt and Hebrew and not only that, but in Old English. That’s not to mention all the marks of antiquity that are continually found throughout the Book of Mormon that there is no way that Joseph Smith could have known about, along with the extraordinarily impressive chiasmus repeatedly found throughout the book (and chiasmus wasn’t even discovered until nearly a century later), among so much more.

    But despite these facts and the so many more I could go through and provide you, it is all meaningless without faith. It all comes down to faith. And as I told the person I responded to originally: “I know too much, I have witnessed too much, I have heard too much, and I have felt TOO much to deny this gospel.” That is how I feel about the Gospel the LDS Church teaches. I believe my faith to be the legitimately true gospel. I say this not to insult you nor your faith and beliefs; I would love if you converted to the LDS faith, however if you are doing your best to be a good person, whether or not you believe in Christ or the LDS church then it is better than nothing and I can truly respect you. It is about where the heart is.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you’ve mixed up Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.

  • Anonymous

     Pamela, keep hope. You are right in that you need to believe in yourself and sometimes that is the hardest thing to do. I speak from experience on this.  But when you begin to doubt don’t worry, just remember that there are people who do believe in you, your family, people on this forum, myself included and of course GOD.

    And yes, I too am tired. But I always remember something I read a long time ago. It was a letter from a Civil War soldier he said, and I am paraphrasing here.

    “My feet are sore and I am always tired and often afraid and sometimes I think of sneaking away and coming back to you. But I know that honor is stronger than fatigue and so honor compele sme forward knowingthat what I do, in my small part is for a good and moral fight.”

    This same might have been said by an Israelite marching in the Wilderness on the way to the Promised land, or the millions of refugees from allover the world who have come to An America that means something. That is why I wont stop despite my feet being sore. Because if I stop, then the person next to me might stop and soon all that America used to represent is dead and all the things so many people have died for is in vein.

    Keep courage Pamela. Keep it because when all else fails this will hold you fast!

  • Anonymous

     critten, Ill make a deal with you. When you acknowledge that the government has actually killed its own citizens, dropped bombs on us soil against striking coal workers, infected black service member with small pox to watch what happens, forced the sterilization of certain types of people, douse their own soldiers with Agent Orange despite not knowing exactly what might happen, and in some cases have some idea of how bad it is, then I will happily talk to you about tin foil hats. The only fools are those who believe their own government could never turn against them. I promise you, right now in Washington DC there are some elected official somewhere who would love to do nothing more than put your name on a list. Imagine if they became more powerful?

  • http://twitter.com/fawnday Dawn Brayton

    You guys sound lucky to have something to believe in like saving the country. Must be nice to be so serious about it. Personally, even though the country is kinda not the way people always had it it’s far from needing to be saved. Maybe the 12 step program will be good for people to figure out that whatever happens is going to happen and nobody should be so darn serious about it. Just deal with what there is and find where you can see the silver lining. Because there is ALWAYS one or more of those. Just stop trying so hard is all

  • Anonymous

    I keep waiting for all of Glenn’s “predictions” to come true…. Where are the riots in the streets, Glenn ? In other news, the Stock Market is in record territory, record highs three days in a row. Oh, and unemployment is down, over 200,000 new jobs created in the last month, and, bummer: Gold is down again, looks like all you Beckbots are going to soaked by Glenn’s gold scams.

  • Anonymous

    I keep waiting for all of Glenn’s “predictions” to come true…. Where are the riots in the streets, Glenn ? In other news, the Stock Market is in record territory, record highs three days in a row. Oh, and unemployment is down, over 200,000 new jobs created in the last month, and, bummer: Gold is down again, looks like all you Beckbots are going to soaked by Glenn’s gold scams.

  • Anonymous

    Check your history, Revelation was truly the last written text in chronology. I don’t ever want to hear another word from you or anyone who wants to pass off you false doctrine as Christian. You want to say something historically inaccurate? FUCK OFF

  • Anonymous

    Wow…you went from reasonable to absurd.

    And historically inaccurate? Multiple sources state otherwise. Revelation was not the last book ever written; it was placed at the end.

    “I don’t have a problem with a Mormon calling him or herself a Christian because you do read and study the New Testament and however you interpret Jesus’ teachings compared to me, I do feel that we would agree on almost anything that He said.”

    Well I guess that’s out the window.

    So instead of addressing my points, (and some of the genuine questions I asked you like of the Apochrypha and if you’d read the Book of Mormon), you pick out the Revelations point I made, irrationally attack it by calling me a liar and then tell me to “F” off (Mormon’s do not swear; we believe that taking the Lord’s name in vain is a sin…) because I’m spewing “false doctrine”. I did not attack you in any way in my response. I merely defended what I believe, pointed out misinformation, and informed you accurately of what the LDS Church believes. And yet you insult me erratically.

    From your previous post, you appeared reasonable and seemed like a respectable person.

    You have immediately proved me wrong. I cannot respect nor have a decent debate with someone who acts like that.

    Now I am Christian. You can insult me and claim that I’m not but it is not true. I know my faith, I know where I stand. For the third time: “I know too much, I have witnessed too much, I have heard too much, and I have felt TOO much to deny this gospel.” There are TOO many “coincidences” and miracles, and too often does the Spirit confirm that which I know now to be true (and that is not a blind testimony I attained from my parents) for me to deny my gospel. Continue being faithful, Bert. But I will not deny what I believe.

  • Anonymous

    GOOOOOOD BYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, have any of your ideas to “save America” turned into real productive organizations like Habitat for Humanity, or the Clinton Initiative?   Your Restoring Freedom event seemed like a bad revival meeting.   Your Stand with Jews event has no follow up to further that cause that I’ve heard.  It was all just an opportunistic business and a lot of people bought it.  Funny that you, the once the right wing crazy dumped by Fox, now wants sanity. Real Libertarians don’t buy into your latest make-over. 

  • Anonymous

    Wow… Well I’m a little disappointed we couldn’t have a decent conversation or debate without blowouts like that, but okay. I hope you have a splendid day.

  • Anonymous

    “Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” 
    ― Napoleon Bonaparte

    “A cult is a religion with no political power.” 
    ― Tom Wolfe

    “Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.” 
    ― Christopher Hitchens

  • Anonymous

    “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” 
    ― Stephen Roberts

     The Bible was the work of sand-strewn men and women who thought the earth was flat and for whom a wheelbarrow would have been a breathtaking example of emerging technology. To rely on such a document as the basis for our worldview is to repudiate two thousand years of civilizing insights…
    The greatest problem confronting civilization is not merely religious extremism: rather, it is the larger set of cultural and intellectual accommodations we have made to faith itself.” 
    ― Sam Harris

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, nice idea, but you of all people should know that you CAN’T MAKE AN ADDICT REFORM HIMSELF. He has to WANT to change his ways and even then, it is very very hard. 

    Yeah… change what you can, accept what you can’t change (except DON’T ACCEPT the CLOWNS in D.C.)… “And the wisdom to know the difference.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodney.homer.12 Rodney Homer

    if yer too blind too c that this country is spiraling out of control . yer not alone two thirds at least in yer boat I hope its not too late for u when it happens because I don’t follow a pied piper or man .

  • Anonymous

    May I also point out how Deuteronomy 4:2 says something very similar:

    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. (Old Testament, Deuteronomy, Chapter 4)

    That basically condemns nearly the entire Bible…if it were referring to the entire Bible. I think we both know that it refers only to the Mosaic Laws in the book. Likewise Revelations referred exclusively to Revelations.