What is good is made bad, what is bad is made good; what is a lie is affirmed as truth and the truth disdained as an unpalatable lie.

That is what the administration and the progressives are doing – teaching that Communism and Socialism are good and Capitalism and freedom are bad.

Welcome to the new world everyone – unless we end this madness and soon.

History is there for us to learn from for those who dare to search for truth; it is now America’s time to deal with the growing tyranny from within being forced upon us step by step under Obama and the progressives century-long effort.

We either learn from the past, see what is going on and stop it; or pass into the night of eternal slavery under a tyrannical dictator such as Obama the Mad.

Oh, so Obama is running the Texas schools now! Man, you clowns are cracking me up with this shit! HIOIAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHLLALAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH!

Perhaps you should try this thing called “winning an election”, nut case

No it is called Nazism get it right numb nuts. 

Yes liberals are running schools and have been for years and that is why test scores are so low.

This is Nazism and they know it why else would they have a gag order pinned to this. It is time to stand up to this propagandist before it is too late. This is just evil and it needs to be called as such. The liberals don’t care because it is their side time to grab power from the people. We the people with back bone need to rise and show these brown shirts that we will not sit down and take their propaganda anymore. It is not too late to fight these people as long as we stand as on united force of good common people with values freedom and our history. As long as I am alive they will never shut me up and the only way they will is to kill me. I follow the true king and he is not of this earth. My church is not government my religion is not socialist and my god is not Obama and they will have to hunt me down and kill me because I will not quit spreading the truth and I don’t care if I am alone. I answer to a higher king!

I love when Glenn Beck goes back to his crack pot, hysterical conspiracies.  It reminds me of why he was fired from Fox News.  

You hurt yourself more than anyone else when you tell lies. 

The Jan. 1963 Congressional Record entered the 45 Goals of Communism to Take Control of America. Here are a few – scary how many have already come to pass – pay special attention to #s 28-31:

13.
Do away with all loyalty oaths.
17.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and
current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’
associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
19.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations
which are under Communist attack.
20.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial
writing, policymaking positions.
21.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic
expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good
sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and
meaningless forms.”
24.
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship”
and a violation of free speech and free press.
25.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and
obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural,
healthy.”
27.
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.
Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does
not need a “religious crutch.”
28.
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the
ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and
state.”
29.
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned,
out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a
worldwide basis.
30.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats
who had no concern for the “common man.”
31.
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American
history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big
picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took
over.
32.
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the
culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics,
etc.

It’s just Glenn totally mischaracterizing something so you get your panties all in a wad, again. Quit clutching your pearls and get ahold of yourself.

^ written by some nitwit

Critten you show what a stupid troll you really are. I listed items that were entered into official public record by both the US House and Senate – are you calling those men “nitwits”?

How exactly? My guess is you know as much about Nazism as you do about women, in other words, not much. How exactly is this Nazism? Sounds like your typical foreign culture class, where kids learn about other cultures and stuff.

Still trying to look for attention, critten? You act like you know quite an awful lot, but all I ever see you posting is short uneducated posts. Fact is, no one on here is going to take you seriously– the joke’s on you.

For one writing history to fit their agenda which the Nazis did. Lied about their form of government being the best which the Nazis did. Making a religion into an enemy and picking favorite group of people to suit their needs which again the Nazis did. They fired people to keep this out of the public light which the Nazis did in the early days before Hitler took all power. If it was just a culture class I would not have a problem with it but history does not pick sides and they heavy rewritten it and does rewriting history has to do with other cultures. How is painting the Boston tea party terrorist teaching culture of other countries. If you would study history you would know all of this. See it pays to open what people call books once in a while.

how can you win an election when one side is doing voter fraud….ALL THE TIME !!!     NUT CASE !

PLEASE GO BACK TO SLEEP !

 I also answer to that higher king. I’ll be praying for you, brother ^_^

sounds pretty crappy, although its probably a good thing for christianity for columbus to not be associated with it.

Chorus of “Stairway To Paradise”:

I’ll build a stairway to paradise
With a new step every day
I’m going to get there at any price
Stand aside, I’m on my way
I’ve got the blues and up above it’s so fair
Shoes, go on and carry me there
I’ll build a stairway to paradise
With a new step every day

– George Gershwin

Note the use of the words ” I’ll ” “me” and “my”.  Nothing about “we” and “us”.

The classic MGM performance: http://youtu.be/HVvGEBDioHg

People are not able to rewrite history, no matter how much they are deceived to think they can.  Rewriting history is just repeating the same mistakes hoping for a different outcome.

I find it very interesting (and telling) that those of you who so deeply object to Glenn’s opinions follow him so closely.  Why would you spend your time and energy on that which holds no value for you instead of something that would be more productive for you personally?  That makes even less sense than some of your ill-informed and misdirected comments.  These forums are really intended for like-minded individuals to share.  Perhaps you would be happier if you could find others with which you share some commonality? 

“I find it very interesting (and telling) that those of you who so deeply object to Glenn’s opinions follow him so closely.”

But isn’t that what you want? 
We on the left are so often accused of having blinders on…of not listening to the other point of view…of being brainwashed by our own propaganda….
But then when we come to places like this and expose ourselves to YOUR point of view… you complain about that as well?! You’re actually complaining that we’re following Glenn “so closely!?” 

Can you NOT see the absurdity in this?!

Wow, hours spent playing video games has really pumped you up, hasn’t it? Our little Halo Hero has come to life….

OR… perhaps you’re a fellow veteran! I spent six years in the Marine Corps, am a vet twice over (Operation Desert Storm and Operation Restore Hope in Somalia). Perhaps one day we can sit down and swap war stories. Failing that, maybe you could teach me how to play those shot em up games that apparently have done much to instill you with such gung-ho-ness. 

I wasn’t aware that You have even the slightest idea what MY point of view is?!  Or what I want or do not want.  Oh, yes, I certainly do see some absurdity here…

Critten, maybe we could [or DID] win an election but for the Chicgo way. Or aren’t you familiar with that?

All right make fun of me all you want. Don’t knock it before you try it by the way. It is a great stress reliever. So you served in the Marines good for you but still what about your oath to protect the Constitution? Most military man still follows that oath even when they are out of the service including my uncle who was in the mess of Vietnam and my grandfather who was a tank commander in World War 2. While I can respect your service to this country that I could never understand but I am a man of principle and don’t really care which side of the aisle it is on. If you are going to mess with the Constitution your my enemy.

I will pray for you to. I could use it by the way thank you.

The Democrats do not want an opposition voice to their reasoning, even if it is respectful, thoughtful, and correct. They want to rule and they want to rule everyone’s lives..it is quite apparent, especially from the chaos Elizabeth Haselbeck goes through to make her voice heard on The View.  There is total unfairness on the left to block out free speech and rational debate, this shows how narrow minded and arrogant they are!

actually it’s been decades, starting at least in the 40′s growing more in the 50′s and taking off in the 60′s.

you forgot the republican party establishment aka rino’s

So, like England and France , they are like “commies”……

Then why are  you taking to him?

You sound unbalanced.

Yeah, ken, they are commies too. Commie here, commie there, commies, commies, everywhere.  Tell me, have you ever been checked out for paranoid delusions? You might want to try that.

 Isn’t it ridiculous that what was unthinkable in 1963 is absolute fact now in 2013. Everything that was considered good and decent in that time is now looked at as evil and regressive. It took only one generation to arrive at this point because it was filtered  through the schools. Now the American Teachers Union is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America. They no longer fear opposition from parents or, in fact, anyone. They have recruited children to their cause, mocking the beliefs of their parents, doing all in their power to drive a wedge between familial generations. They believe that parents are little more than an obstacle in their way. In this, they have followed the patterns of Stalin, Mao, Hitler and every socialist/communist playbook since the beginning of the socialist movement. Unfortunately, few parents have other options. It never ceases to amaze me how insidious the left is. I almost laughed when I heard the outrage from the fools who not only voted for Obama for a second time, but expressed shock that their own taxes went up after the Republicans conceded the fiscal cliff fight. It entered the realm of the surreal though when all Obama had to do was outright lie to the American people, blaming the Republicans for hiking employment taxes on most Americans, to convince those same fools that the increased taxes were the idea of conservatives and that he was their defender!! The outcry and rage they expressed would have been ironic if it weren’t so awful. By the way, pay no attention to Critten. He’s never once successfully posted a single fact and he’s a pathetically transparent liar. The guy couldn’t buy a clue with his entire life’s salary.

“Don’t knock it before you try it by the way. It is a great stress reliever.”

I’ll stick with porn. And if it’s been a REALLY stressful day: midget porn. 

“So you served in the Marines good for you but still what about your oath to protect the Constitution?”

I’m not big on that sort of stuff: oaths, vows, ancient texts written by men who lived in a different country and era (and yeah–America WAS a different country back then.) I won’t lie and claim I joined the military out of patriotism. I joined because it was a springboard to get out of rural Alabama. It was my only path–given that I had neither the money nor brains for even junior college…
And I joined out of egotism. That recruiter walked down our school halls  in his dress blues and everyone looked at him as though he was a rock star. I wanted that presence he had. Marine Dress Blues were obviously designed by a gay man; no other uniform even comes close when it comes to the “POW!” factor. 
And the Corps had the coolest recruiting pamphlets. The other branches talked about money for college and job training…but the Marine recruiter gave out posters that simply said “Join the Marines: travel to far off lands, meet exotic new people, and then kill them.”
 They couldn’t get away with that sort of slogan now, but back then they could. And I thought it was the coolest thing I’d ever seen. 

I can’t and won’t post anything on these forums anymore.  This is the last one.  I’m talking to you because you had the best grasp of reason and truth on here.  I can see the harassment I’m going to get and it won’t stop.  Peace out bro.

Bert, your attacker thinks he knows everything about everything.  He thinks he’s never wrong.

Don’t let the moron chase you away, just ignore him.  

“I wasn’t aware that You have even the slightest idea what MY point of view is?!  Or what I want or do not want.”

Perhaps I don’t know what your point of view is. Perhaps I don’t know what you want or don’t want.
Perhaps you don’t either. 

it is hard to

 Big Government Democrat = communist.

These so-called “normal” people are ignorant, low information voters who couldn’t even name the capital of their states, much less offer a coherent definition of communism and socialism.

Big Government Democrats are extremist as far as I’m concerned.  You people keep throwing that word around…”extremist”….intelligent people just shake their heads and turn away from you drooling idiots.  Keep watching your stupid reality shows.  Clearly, you’re not intelligent to grasp what’s going on in this country, and hopefully you’ll be the first to die in the coming civil unrest.  I don’t want extremists like you hanging around when we intelligent people need to rebuild this country out of the mess Big Government Democrats (aka communists who are too stupid to realize that they are communists) have made.

 Oh please.  You’re the one suffering from paranoid delusions.  1%!  Global warming!  Gay Rights!  All a bunch of insipid whining from you people who are scared to death of actually having to work for a living.

 Because it’s fun to mock the stupid, and on occasion, mocking someone requires talking to them.

Novel concept for a feeble minded idiot like you, I’m sure.

 Kind of hard to win an election when the other party keeps stealing them.

You’ll be eating those words in 2014.

 Please remember those words when you start freaking out over global warming.

 He wasn’t fired from Fox, he voluntarily left.  He appears on the O’Reilly Factor on occasion, so the split was obviously amicable.

Fucking moron.

Perhaps I DO!  I DO want to see people come together to engage in constructive and positive dialogue regarding very serious situations in our country-regardless of age, color, political leanings, or any other differences-just honest, intelligent dialogue.  I DON’T want to see so much “assumption”, name-calling, labeling, chest-thumping, leg-hiking, mis-informed drivel that is meant only to bate, goad, incite hate or argument, or induce further diviseveness.  I am happy to consider contribution that is FACT based to either refute or support someone’s position.  But if the whole point is merely about ridiculing someone else then that seems to be a waste of human intellect, energy and time that might be better served in effecting positive and real change elsewhere. 

It’s not necessarily Communism, Critten…..
Listen to this oration (since you probably haven’t ever read it) and you will find that you, as exemplified by your recorded comments on these pages, have most likely traded off quite a few values in your psychie that are actually holding you down. It’s over 3 hrs in duration but if you can muster the attention spoan, you might learn something about yourself and what is really going on around you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1muMkbMypA
Although, it should be noted that the source for this visionary depictment of the ‘future’ does NOT include the alternate media nor the internet.
Take some aspirin if your head starts to hurt….it’s just the feeling one gets from activating new neural pathways!

You are never going to win over anyone but the other nuts you talk this shit too with this crazy rhetoric.  What is happening in this country is that we are coming out of a severe recession. It is not the doomsday world you have convinced yourself in your paranoid craziness coming, it is a different world, where the social issues are slipping away from the GOP while the dominance of the white majority ends.  Clearly YOU are not intelligent enough to grasp that simple fact.  The GOP needs to dump kooks like you so we can start talking intelligently to the voters instead of just all this stupid “communist” ranting coming from mental midgets like you.  You turn people off, because frankly, you sound crazy.

If you are looking for someone suffering from delusions Marie, try a mirror, I have never adviocated any of those things, you just made it all up, because, you’re nuts, you think everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of cut-out character, because you’ve never really thought more deeply than an AM radio sound bite, which is why you are a fan of Beck. And I make plenty of money, while you probably live in a trailer suxking off Social Security/

You really sound intelligent there Maria, I mean, I don’t want to stoop to your trailer park level, so I won’t respond much beyond pointing out you’re just trash.

 This is probably why the dept of education has their own SWAT team and purchased 100,000 rds of ammo.

You’re wasting your time. He’s never once posted anything but name calling and he has the attention span of a gnat.

That’s what you have, winning and election…Chavez, Hitler, etc “won” elections…why are you on this site? You have yet to answer that for me, tell my about why you are a lib, did your daddy not hug you enough??? LOL

Stick with the Democrats and RINOS William. Her method of stating facts may not be the most efficacious, but what you are advocating is worse. The “social issues” you’re talking about consist of one thing – entitlement. There are no true social issues in this country that do not derive from that one word. The American dream is mocked, vilified and demonized to the point that now, if one is successful due to work ethic and endurance, somehow it is due theft from the proletariat. I don’t know where you’re coming from, but you’re no conservative and this is not about race. It’s about right and wrong, and your ideas are something that you would never apply to yourself. For some reason, people like you always seem to think that it’s someone else’s job to provide the capital for social issues. I never hear any of you people take responsibility for yourselves. If it’s such a great idea, then apply it personally first, THEN come and try to convince us. I know that challenge will lie unanswered, and please, don’t try to make something up. No one who has truly pulled themselves out of poverty and rejected the entitlement craze that has so engulfed the masses in this country would ever dream of applying such ridiculous financial and personal principles to their own lives. Only those who suffer from that malady embrace such foolishness and it is not out of principle, it is out of envy and bitterness. You keep advocating entitlement; see how far it gets you. I already know both sides of this coin and I’ll stick with work ethic and endurance. Your way could take every dime someone else possesses and it would never be enough to satisfy the hunger of the entitled. My way will still end up on top no matter how many times people like you advocate government sanctioned theft. Entitlement should be more properly labeled, “enslavement” because the entitled will never achieve independence and cannot exist without theft. I, and those like me, don’t need the entitled at all to succeed. Call it what you will…I call it an idea worth emulating because of a simple fact – it works.

 big government democrat is not communist.  It’s very bad but it is not communist, the ideas behind it somewhat come from communism, but communism is also anti-racist and for equal rights for women.
Much stronger argument that he is socialist, even that is kind of weak.  Certainly more socialist than republicans generally are.

 how can he be anti-american (admittedly not elluded to here but a criticism usually leveled along the same lines as this one and one i’m going to assume you’ve made) and an extreme nationalist at the same time?

Good question. Well I call people this when they have a treat to the Nazi party for example this whole rewrite of history is not a new thing and the last group that did it all most flawlessly was the Nazis. Also Nazis where in many ways anti American Hitler hated this country and wanted to take us over when he was done with Europe. So yes I believe this is a form of Nazism because the practice that very thing.

Everything I said is true about the Nazis read a history book numb nuts.

No it is not you just think it is.

Just take a break and don’t let the fools of the earth get you down. They only reason why these trolls come here is to shut us up don’t let their B.S. bring you down.

as a former professional counselor i have dealt with people like the trolls on this and other sites. for one you will never educate them with reason, they are incapable of understanding rational thought. the reason they come here to cause trouble is actually due to it being a form of sexual gratification, in other words every time you give them a response they achieve an orgasm. stop giving them the sexual gratification they desire, make this site boring to them and they will leave the site and go somewhere else.

You should just keep listening to everything Glenn Beck says, buying all his books, and attending his events. 

We  should all have questions why obama having these dictates are being taught in our schools to undermine the  country and our form of government is all wrong !!! To bring our country down by removing our children values of our country that was  form base on Judo-Christian concept !! To our next generation of our children be turn into mindless obama zombies drones who won’t stand up for their individual rights !! So our great form government and our way of life will be no more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Some very scary questions is  what obama doing is he setting the stage for with these teaching dictates ??? Question is obama setting the stage with more material on thel Muslim religion than other religions and greater emphasizing it to make the Muslim religion our country preference and  our new way of life for our children to live under Shari- Law !!   A QUESTION THAT ALL WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASKING WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE ALL THE OUTCRIES OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH STATE FROM DEMOCRATS,ACLU,LEFT WING NEWS MEDIA !!! What  our senators and congressmen are doing about this government religion preference of Muslim religion and Shari Law  and political indoctrination of communism & socialism ,with changing our country history with teaching falsehoods to our children that is hidden from parents so they have no say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 I hope Glenn will send all this material on what going on in our schools to Foxnews ( O’Reilly and Hannity and others) Must make more people aware what going on in our schools and obama evil agenda for our country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because obama have some brain wash higher up school officials and teachers zombies to say that he is right!! In what he doing to our schools and children don’t make it right !!!!!!!!!!!

Books about American history say many contradictory things. It’s all about interpretation, about a conservation between people and between generations. Whose history do you read, do you trust, and why? Just like any form of cultural production–movies, novels, plays, even ideas–historical writings are products of specific historical moments. Sometimes they are blatantly revisionist in service of a pernicious state apparatus (Like, say, the Nazis), among other things. Other times historical processes just look different the more their consequences play over time, and thus historical writings reinterpret other’s interpretations and reinterpretations. If somehow “democracy” takes hold in the Middle East, the post-9/11 era will be rethought, including the Afghan and Iraq invasions, even, though more doubtful, GW’s reputation. Who knows.

As for the textbook thing. The illustration clearly shows the hiker is heading up the ladder of increased governmental power. Do you not see the big blue arrow and what it reads? And then it asks kids to discuss what that means for private property rights. That sounds like a pretty good thing to do for young little Americans who live in a country whose constitution and legal framework are essentially based on the philosophical principle of private property and the protection of said property. Or do we just say to them “communism bad, capitalism good, memorize it!”

Did you read the section of the text book about the Boston Tea Party? It’s part of whole section about terrorism in the 20th century, what does it mean, how can we combat it, how has it evolved, etc? Then it asks students if there are any earlier examples of that in our history? And then it asks them if the Boston Tea Party is an example. Presumably the students are to think about and decide for themselves. Again, totally harmless and probably a decent intellectual exercise. 
What is terrorism exactly? And for whom?
The whole revolution was an act of terrorism–in the eyes of England. How would the history have been written had we lost? And so we return to authors of “what happened in the past.” The historians GB and his flock put their faiths in are either the people who wrote the earlier, celebratory, and romantic stories,who rushed to make sense of the this new nation and its world-historical significance and their own place within it, or the David Barton’s of the world, who are no less guilty of reinterpreting the past to fit an agenda. I say “celebratory, romantic,” etc., because these early ideas about American providential destiny were used to justify westward expansion and concomitant Indian removal and extermination, bonded labor, and today they are used in service of global imperialistic crusades in the never ending search for new markets and resources. How do we get around “all men are created equal?” Ideas about African slaves as subhuman. Or, we reinterpret that line as “when we said men we meant citizen and so slaves are not citizens but property” and we all know how the constitution fells about property rights. Just examples. 

You don’t even have to believe any of that last part. I imagine you interpret American history differently. But what you know about American history came from someone who wrote it down. Ask yourself, what makes you believe what one writer says but not another? Just another exercise.   

No, I thought it was BACK THEN. When I was an eighteen year old, obnoxious degenerate.
Now that I’m a forty year old, obnoxious, degenerate I don’t find it nearly as cool.

How do you know that your historical sources from the I hate America crowd are any better. I look at their words from their own mouth and do research into my own family which lived through the founding of this country. Sorry but my side my rewrite history to fit their need somewhat but not like the left. Your side calls Washington and agnostic for example when all you have to do is read his letters and speeches to know how big of a lie that is. Your so called Historians are paid liars and they been exposed as such.

Then you know nothing of how the world truly runs and I would like to thank you for proving my point that liberals have no spine.

“the reason they come here to cause trouble is actually due to it being a form of sexual gratification, in other words every time you give them a response they achieve an orgasm”

LOL!

Then I accept your clarification and correction of your initial post. 

Pray for me, too. At the moment, I don’t have any specific requests…so just like a gift certificate type of prayer. That way I can just pick out what I want when the need arrives. 

I agree. Leftists take it one step further, though. Not only is history made revisionist, it is also treated exactly like the news now. If there is a story that is harmful to Obama or any leftists, it is simply ignored. For example, my son just spent the entire month of February studying nothing but black history because this is black history month. Fine. But here’s the problem…this is an American history course and he has not heard one word yet about how the US came to be; not a word about the Founding Fathers, good or bad. A small snippet about Columbus that spent the class period with the teacher nearly foaming at the mouth, using foul language and spewing venom and hatred over the “white colonization of the indigenous peoples of America through oppression.” If it weren’t for his mother and I, he wouldn’t know anything at all about American history. His teacher apparently feels that if she doesn’t like how American history turned out, one of three things must happen. 1) Filter the occurrence through today’s liberal judgmentalism, with appropriate foul language and epithets to punctuate how that “tolerant” teacher will not stand for history that does not conform to what he/she would have done, 2) completely change the facts to fit whatever history you would like to have seen or 3) ignore any factual information that might unduly influence children to think about said information, which could lead to questions that shouldn’t be asked or could lead to investigations that could lead to exposure to positive information about white males. I actually wrote the teacher and asked her if she planned to, at any point during her two semester course, mention the Founding Fathers. She actually tried to tell me she didn’t have time to talk about that portion of American history. Needless to say, my next meeting was with the principal. He had no idea what was going on and, while he was “uncomfortable” with what was being taught (and what wasn’t), he actually tried to tell me that he tried to “foster an atmosphere of academic freedom.” I asked him if he would be “comfortable” explaining his views to the superintendent and the school board. I live in a conservative area and the superintendent is a great guy who doesn’t mind taking a stand. My son now has another history teacher.

GLENN U FORGET THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS COMMIE NUT ARE STILL HERE AND OUR PARENTS NEED TO TEACH KIDS TODAY WHAT COMMUNISM FASCISM MARXISM TOTALITARIANISM ARE THEY NEED TO DO THAT WORK AS A WARNING AND TEACH THEM THE HISTORY OF AMERICA AND YES Y WE ARE GREAT Y WE EXIST Y FREEDOM GOD AND THE CONSTITUTION ARE OUR NEEDS AND YES WE CREATE.  WE MUST PROTECT THE REPUBLIC FOR THE OBAMAISTS AND LEFTISTS AND MSM ARE ALL IN LOCKSTEP W/OBAMAHITERSTALIN.   CONTROL AND GOVT THAT IS HIM HE WANTS ALL AMERICA IS GONE AND FOR IRAN TO DESTROY ISRAEL.  HE IS OUR DANGER BUT WHILE WE CAN STILL VOTE THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO GET BK AT HIM AND NO HE DOES NOT OWN US WE OWN HIM

I don’t.
The historians I read make arguments and I judge such arguments according to
the evidence they provide and according to the complementary or counter
arguments other scholars make. 

You’re
absolutely correct to assert that most academic historians have a more leftward
political orientation and, yes, it does in form aspects of their work. But
again, they are making arguments–interpreting the past–and you can judge them
however you please. But to dismiss them simply as “liars” is just
ignorant. Academic historians, whether tenured at Harvard or toiling away in
thankless jobs as community college professors, spend years researching and
writing scholarly works. They comb over everything previously written on a
subject and every related topic. As I said above, you don’t have to believe a word of any of it. But you should read the works. And if you disagree, why? Is it because you don’t like what it says, or you think the author has an agenda, or whatever? Or is because the evidence they provide for the arguments they make doesn’t add up? How is someone like David Barton any less of a “paid liar” than Walter Johnson, a well respected scholar of slavery.  

Why do
GW’s religious beliefs matter at all? History is about processes, not about
quotidian “facts” and events. It’s like boiling a football game down
to the last play. Sure, if the receiver drops the ball in the end zone on
fourth and goal with no time left on the clock and his team loses by 5 points,
it is easy to blame the receiver for losing the game on that ONE play. But
anyone who knows football, or knows sports more generally, will tell you that
to understand why a game was one or lost you must take into account the
entirety of the game, from the opening kick off to the last play. 

And who is
insisting he was an atheist? Straw man argument? 

I love slkgej6′s point 2 below: “completely change the facts to fit whatever history…”
Whose facts are these? Whose history? 
It sounds like you and slkgej6 want your version of history to be THE version. Aren’t you just as guilty as the people you condemn?
And you say you “look at their words from their own mouth”?? I assume I know what that means…but are they any more credible? really? Eye witness accounts are the least reliable testimony in a court of law.

Critiquing the U.S. for past misdeeds does not mean I hate it or don’t love my country, etc. In fact, I would like to make it better. That’s something we can probably all agree on. 

I know I keep repeating this, but I am really curious–how do you distinguish between “true” and “false” versions of U.S. history?

same thing with gay’s marrying or even straights is that government has taken control of what belongs to religion. the government has been controlling who can marry and forces us to buy a permit. we need to use their own tactics against them.

 If you are a “professional counselor”  you seriously lack professionalism and should be in a different line of business – professional agitator perhaps?

My husband left Cuba when he was 10 with his family to escape Castro in 1961.  This sounds similar to what happened to the schools there – even the private schools.  He went to a Methodist private school.  Once Castro took over, the government goons started “visiting” the schools, including the private ones.  The Methodist school(s) had framed images of Jesus and other Biblical paintings you would expect to see in a religious private school.  When the goons would be seen arriving, the teachers would quickly flip the paintings/prints to the other side, where a photo of Castro was then displayed.  My husband recalls his class being instructed by the government thugs to pray to Jesus for ice cream.  They all prayed – no ice cream arrived.  Then they were told to pray to Castro for ice cream – yep, here came the ice cream wheeled in on carts.  Shortly thereafter, my in-laws removed him from school and taught him at home until they were given “permission” to leave the country.  Is this where we are headed for with this BS?  I hope people wake up before it’s too late.  Leftist/commies love to abuse children and manipulate them.  It’s time we tell these buffoons to get the —- out of our country!

2+2=5?

You’re right. I’ll just ignore them, then they can’t continue the thread.

Simple, HayMrkt. When a teacher makes up facts completely unsubstantiated by any historian, for example, claims of first hand reports by specific natives of acts of rape by Christopher Columbus, that’s made up history. When a so-called scholar has access to historical documents, but then chooses not to include those works in their analysis because they contain accounts unsupportive of their thesis…that is also both revisionist and dishonest, yet, in many history departments at universities, it is fully supported. Even in the most hardcore sciences, prevailing political viewpoints determine funding.

For example, when HIV began to evoke hysteria, political forces placed severe pressure on the NIH to fund virus research. Suddenly every molecular biology lab was a virology lab. Much of the science that came out of that political environment actually slowed the search for an efficacious treatment. History is not so concrete as that and whenever a historian chooses to “massage” their conclusions to fit a political philosophy that is what I was referring to as well.
You completely miss the point of history. You are one of those who sees history as little more than a recitation of dry factoids. You say that history is important for “process”, yet you advocate ignoring the very basis of the process. You mentioned that no one should care about George Washington’s religious beliefs or acts, yet it is impossible to understand his actions without understanding the motivations behind those actions. George Washington’s writings are rife with his religious views. His religious views, in large part, influenced his actions. They were shared by his contemporaries, not in lockstep, but to varying degrees and practices. Thus, the history of the day was shaped, to a significant degree, by the religious beliefs AND secular studies of those who were the subject of historical study.

However, today’s leftist historians have views similar to yours. Additionally, it has become common to filter historical fact, not through the lens of the time in which they occurred, but rather through the simpering, judgmental moral relativism of the left. For example, George Washington and other Founders owned slaves, therefore, they were incapable of moral or noble action because they enslaved other human beings. Because of this, their religious convictions are dismissed and their writings invalidated. To the leftist historian, they were not students of Locke and Rousseau trying to bring about the ideals of the Enlightenment, they were evil white men whose every act must be scorned and diminished, to the very point of willful avoidance of the simple mention of their names should they deem it necessary to bring about a desired future course of action. Revision and neglect are often hailed as courageous acts. You don’t have to believe that, but try reading some past issues of American Educator, the official publication of the American Federation of Teachers.

History, HayMrkt, is not fact based on extensive research alone and you attribute a fastidiousness of work product by historical researchers that simply cannot be assumed. Without understanding the historical setting of the moralism of the age and how this affected their decisions, there is no point. I have a PhD in molecular biology. Had I cherry picked my findings the way that some of my historian colleagues do, I would have been brought up on charges that would have resulted in loss of my scholastic standing and all funding. In fact, a scientist funded through the NIH would lose funding and could be made to pay back research money and brought up on criminal charges. No such standard exists for historians so the political leanings of the day determine funding and influence findings and scholarly interpretations. In this environment it is far too easy to simply leave out historical sources that do not agree with preconceived theses as “insignificant” or “unsubstantiated”.

History is ongoing. Even in our own lives, it is not simply occurrences that are significant but the memory and the lesson learned from those lessons. When we divorce the recorded memory from the subject of history and consider their actions in light of only the occurrences strained through the sieve of current standard, along with the judgment and false indignation of leftists, we make an even larger mistake. That mistake is further compounded through the “crusader” mentality of leftist teachers. Their choice to cast aspersions rather than presenting factual occurrence, mindset and historical environment is a travesty. You seem to harp on David Barton quite a bit, but I seriously doubt you have ever actually read any of his writings. While David Barton’s conclusions do not always correlate to those of other historians, he documents his work AND his conclusions. I don’t always agree with him either, but I have read his work and I can honestly say that what he is truly guilty of is having a viewpoint that differs from that of his leftist colleagues. In the world of the left, that is an intolerable act that must be met with ridicule and ruin. In case you haven’t noticed, the paragons of “tolerance” on the left are the least tolerant people on earth. They are the first to silence free speech through social and legal means of anyone who dares to disagree. They couch it in terms of “hate” speech, thus justifying ANY means used to accomplish their ends. Historians have now joined this club wholeheartedly. But the worst of the worst are teachers. Of course they were also taught by the dishonesty of those who actually do research at the university level but this does not reduce their culpability, especially in light of the age of their academic victims.

You’re well educated. That is good. However, assumptive, mocking superiority is not. I’m glad you “love” what I said. I would stack my education against yours and bet that you have never-not even once-known a day of university research and claiming to so profoundly understand the research process does not qualify you for that particular club. I am speaking from direct knowledge of that world, but your writing indicates gargantuan assumptions of what occurs in that environment and a trusting naïveté of the motives of the progressive left that have so fully engulfed ALL fields of academic inquiry today, including molecular biology and medicine; my fields.

In my case, my son’s teacher was not only deliberately not teaching a major segment of American history, she was making it up, not out of ignorance, but from the desire to “shape young minds,” as she put it. In case you didn’t notice, the subject of this particular article was what was being taught in a public school, not the nebulous direction in which you have taken this discussion and much of what I said was couched in those terms. This is not an isolated incident. That is borne out by the constant debate in school districts across the US on this very subject. One of the most powerful and controversial committees in nearly every school district is the curriculum committee, usually due to differing viewpoints of history and social issues taught in other courses and the inextricable relationship between the two. Your view notwithstanding, a perusal of online local news organizations would demonstrate the fact of that statement. And last, believe it or not, opinions differing from yours do not necessarily equate to ignorance of the subject at hand.

 Never mind government goons with the clip boards like the Nazi gestapo ,petty soon in the future with obama  it will be in ever class room be link to obama great central government  to the all knowing with video hook up to a computer which would hear ever word spoken in classroom  by teachers and students !! To make sure  ever mandatory dictates of lessons is follow by  teaches and make sure are students in lockstep or else and any deflection by students will reflect on their parents as a danger to our country or  to obama  evil agenda !!!!!!!!!!!!!  Must  not be one word spoken against obama and his progressive party the computer will pick it up to punish anyone not in lockstep!!  For  U.S House Rep,States,county ,cities,town must stop funding for  this evil web of progressive poisoning by Cscope of our child minds in our school say no to this program !!!  Second we need to get rid of these high official in our schools system  and  school boards  they pull a Nancey Pelosi  which said we need to pass it and bring it into country before we know what in it which brought us the evil of obama s-care !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Now these high officials and school boards didn’t look at what was in this program or knew and hid it from parents ???????  

alerting people of their enabling of bad behavior which feeds their mental illness is a public service. no different then alerting someone that they should not rent a house for their child molesting adult child across the street from an elementary school. when you respond to agitators you feed their illness and help make that illness worse. i was educating people to stop responding. due to the content of the posts this was the most common reason for their behavior. if they were threatening or violent i would say it was mental illness caused by chemical imbalance most likely low testosterone which causes the brain to compensate for the imbalance by violent behavior. people predisposed to cowardly behavior feed off of social media hiding behind a computer while people predisposed to fearless behavior will start fist fights in public but will also use social media to feed their illness when they are not in a position to fist fight. by the way i said former as in i already left the business 

To me what obama had done to our schools can be compare to the corrupt cardinals agenda to raise money and increase it reach of it’s church by using any mean and keeping it a secret like pedophiles Priest under the guise of church business !!  That obama and his progressive party would stoop to any level to further their evil agenda of brain washing or political indoctrination that capitalism is evil  and communism is the best form of government and emphasize Muslim and Shari law is our country prefer religion ,by slighting others and not covering  others in the same dept !! How can our teachers,education officials ,lawyers let this obama c-scope program hid behind blatant absurdity use of copy-right laws to keep what obama doing in our class room a secret from parents !!  Use copy right to over ride that parents have the right to know what’s going on with their child  for safety,kind of educational they’re getting ,what being taught and how and material being use !!!!  To me whatever adult say to your child ,or actions ,teaching whatever take place cannot be a secret !! It like a pedophiles coach,Priest,teachers,camp instructors telling your child that what ever took place  must be kept secret especially from their parents,!!!!  ( Hey many these child below the age of 13 can not be held to a oath of secrecy even with the government !! ) you  must ask their parents or guardian before they conform to a contractual agreement !!!  Hey obama you stoop so low to push your evil agenda misusing copy right laws as cover to keep it a secret from parents ,you don’t care that you open the door for all the hidden pedophiles who our children are expose to  use the copy-right laws no one has the right to know what going on with your child & him,Your child must keep it secret from you ,all they have  to do go to some lawyer say they have a certain secret system of training and teaching and using secret materials to over ride parents or anyone the right to know !!! Maybe a  pedophile teacher will have a more free rein now in our school because obama c-scope copyright laws !!!    

You didn’t tell me it was Devin. The guy is a spineless child that hates people that disagree with him with a passion. He loves putting out personal information out on the broads and loves to make things personal. He claims he is Christian but picks and chooses what he follows and calls anything he disagrees with fake teachings. It is just best to let him be and let him live out his delusions of grandeur.

 It’s not just the progressives it’s also the conservatives that are
destroying our country and our children’s education. There is more then enough blame to go
around and if Glenn Beck cared more about his country then the money
he’s making perhaps he look at what both sides are doing and his message would go out to more people. I’m an
independent who’s a progressive on some issues (woman’s right to choose,
products being properly labeled, equal rights) and conservative on
other issues (no gun control) and a libertarian on most things.

I
believe that EVERYONE should be allowed to live their life as they wish
as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others.

I am a disabled veteran. I’ve worked my entire life
(paying jobs since I was 11) and thought I’d work until I was dead.
Sadly because I was exposed to chemicals without m,y knowledge I have a
bunch of health problems that prevent me from working so I put what
energy I have in trying to leave a better world for my grandchildren. I
believe in the FAIR TAX and believe we can balance the budget if we
didn’t have idiots running the government (as far as I’m concerned the
Republicans, Tea party and Democrats are ALL the problem.) The elected people from the tea
party tried to push their religious belief on everyone
else rather then tackling the budget. I have no problem with people practicing their religion as long as they
understand that their rights end at MY nose. Both the Democrats and the
Republicans care more about their party
then they do the country. And the people who are to blame are US. We
keep electing the same people over and over again and wonder why we’re
in such a mess. I support capitalism but what we have ISN’T capitalism,
it it was there would have been no bail out. But until more of us do our
jobs as citizens things will NOT get better.