Here’s the radical mosque the Boston terrorists attended

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We now know that two of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing regularly attended the Boston Islamic Society. The media, however, keeps running with the story that the pair were radicalized on the internet. So what about this mosque? For starters, one of it’s founders is a convicted terrorist serving prison time. But it gets worse – Glenn explained on radio today alongside guest Patrick Poole.

Transcript of interview is below:

GLENN: Last night I had some meetings I had to be in and then I had to fly to New York and to I had to leave Dallas early before I left for New York and I ‑‑ I’m really bummed because Stu did the show for me and executed a lot of the information that we had on the Islamic mosque that is up in Boston that these two guys went to. And they are trying to make this mosque seem like this is just the all‑American mosque. You know, this mosque is on the front lines of fighting for the Fourth of July and Martin Luther King. Nothing could be further from the truth and we have Patrick Poole who is with us. And Patrick has been at the for front of the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic terror and Islamic terror cells here in America for a very long time. I don’t think there’s a handful of people that have his credibility and Patrick is here to tell us a little bit about what this mosque is, the history of this mosque and who is involved. Patrick, they are saying that this was religion that did this to these guys and the mosque, they knew he was a bad dude because, you know, he stood up and said that we shouldn’t emulate Martin Luther King. Is this ‑‑ is this mosque friends of Martin Luther King?

POOLE: Well, it’s doubtful because they have a long line going back to their very founding, their incorporation papers where Abdurahman Alamoudi, the Al‑Qaeda fundraiser currently in federal prison, was one of the founders of this mosque and was involved in it for years.

GLENN: This is also their, one of their spiritual leaders, their trustees is the wheelchair guy over in Saudi Arabia?

POOLE: In Qatar, yes, Yusuf al‑Qaradawi was basically the chief jurist for the Muslim Brotherhood and he’s probably the most popular Islamic cleric on the planet. He has a Friday afternoon TV program called Sharia In Life on Al‑Jazeera.

GLENN: I’m sorry. On what network?

POOLE: Al‑Jazeera.

GLENN: Oh, Al‑Jazeera. Well, that’s a good ‑‑ we’ve heard from the president that’s just a good quality network that gives good people truth, if people would just watch it, you’ll get the truth from Al‑Jazeera. That’s what we’ve heard from Hillary and the president.

POOLE: Well, and interestingly al‑Qaradawi who then was a trustee for the Islamic Society of Boston, Qaradawi holds the distinction for being the first Sunni Islamic cleric to issue a fatwah authorizing suicide bombings targeting Israel. This was back in 1994. You know, suicide bombing was typically a Shiite, you know, kind of Iranian/Hezbollah phenomenon and then Qaradawi authorized, was the first Sunni cleric to give suicide bombings the green light, and I mean that launched, you know, all kinds of terrorist movements. And this is the guy who, he’s banned from the United States. In fact, the Islamic Society of Boston had a fundraiser featuring Qaradawi but he had to do it by teleconference from Qatar, his office in Qatar which, by the way, his office in Qatar, you look out his window and you can see into CENTCOM’s compound there in Qatar, but that’s a whole other story. But, you know, these are some pretty noxious guys.

GLENN: So this is also, if I’m not mistaken, this is the mosque that the ‑‑ Americans will remember this mosque. Not that anybody in the media will really point this out, but they will remember this mosque as the mosque that had all of the kids come in from the local area and had these schoolkids come in and get a tour of the mosque and some would say a little indoctrination.

POOLE: Well, even more than indoctrination, they had some of the kids line up for prayer, and one of the mothers who was with the group took video of this and handed it off to Charles Jacobs with Americans for Peace and Tolerance up you there who had been a very vocal critic of the mosque and was sued by the mosque for his criticism and it ended up being a big hubbabaloo but, yeah, it wasn’t just indoctrination. And last night Stu played the clip of the woman teaching in the mosque that, you know, women in Islam have been, you know, free, you know, since the time of Mohammed and only here in America, it’s only been for the past hundred years.

GLENN: Right. They were trying ‑‑ yeah, what they were trying to do, this clip is amazing. This woman is claiming that, you know, under Mohammed women are free. Unfortunately they kind of leave out the all‑important parts that, no, not really. In Saudi Arabia can’t really even drive a car if you’re a woman.

POOLE: Right. And one of the other clips that we played last night was the current imam, Abdullah Farooq talking about jihad. We can’t just be talking about jihad; we need to be doing jihad by the sword and the gun too.

GLENN: No, I think we’ve learned from the administration that jihad is a holy practice that brings you closer to God.

POOLE: Yeah. Umm… one of the things we didn’t get to, and my hat’s off to Stu. I mean, we covered a lot of ground last night. One of the things we didn’t get to is that the former chairman of the mosque, a guy by the name of Osama Kandil, he was a trustee for another group called the Taibah Aid International Association with Abdulrahman al Moody, the Al‑Qaeda fundraiser, which was a designated terrorist organization and was raising money for Al‑Qaeda. I mean, this is the chairman of the board.

GLENN: But I don’t think you understand ‑‑

POOLE: ‑‑ for the Islamic Society of Boston

GLENN: I don’t think you understand, though, that they kicked these guys out because they said they are so mainstream that when they said, you know, we should really celebrate Fourth of July here in America, it made the Boston bomber angry and he left and so they kicked him out for four or five days, you know, because that was a ‑‑ you know, that was a really bad thing. I don’t think you ‑‑ I think you’re downplaying how American this mosque is and how much they love the whole star change he would banner and everything.

POOLE: Yeah. Well, one of the other current imams, Suhaib Webb, two days before 9/11 was out in California raising money for a convicted cop‑killer with none other than Anwar Awlaki. So I don’t know if you can get any more all‑American than that.

GLENN: Yeah, absolutely. I think you ‑‑ now you’re starting to see it.

POOLE: Yeah.

GLENN: We have a video on TheBlaze now from the American Muslim Center, a mosque in Everett, Massachusetts. The clip, which is posted on the mosque’s website advertises the house of worship many activities. However, there’s a woman in this named Kat and she’s speaking about how she recently converted to Islam and TheBlaze is wondering and has the pictures side by side. It looks like this could be Katherine Russell, the bomber’s ‑‑ the bomber’s wife. It’s an interesting. It’s an interesting promo that you might want to ‑‑ you might want to see.

Is anyone, Patrick, looking at this, really seriously looking at this mosque? And why is this ‑‑ why does this mosque continue to get a pass from the United States government?

POOLE: Well, because looking at any of its extremist ties has basically been outlawed by this administration. I mean, if you were to ‑‑ and as I talked about last night, all the information, which is freely available, you know, everything we’ve been talking about here for this segment is all open sourced. It’s been reported by The Boston Globe, New York Sun, a bunch of other outlets. All this information was inside the DHS system and back in late 2010, Homeland Security purged all of the information, again, all open source, all freely available, purged that information from the system and from my understanding from some congressional investigators who are looking at this purge, there were hundreds of files of mosques and Islamic leaders, negative information that was part of this purge that they’re having to look at.

GLENN: Patrick, I thank you very much for all of your hard work. I thank you for all of the work that you’ve done on our documentary specials that we’ve done and all the things that you’ve done not only with us but with PJ Media. You have been brave, outspoken, unflinching and on the front lines this whole time, and there’s only a handful of people that are doing that and you’re one of them. And we’re very, very grateful. And Americans, if they don’t know who you are or what you’ve done, America, you should look into Patrick Poole because you are ‑‑ you’re a fearless guy, and I appreciate it. Thank you, Patrick.

POOLE: Thanks.

GLENN: Appreciate it.

POOLE: Thank you.

Patrick Poole also joined Stu on The Glenn Beck Program last night to discuss:

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  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Another haven in the United States for the Islamic Extremists courtesy of the Obama admin. The treason of Obama continues onward to new heights that make Benedict Arnold look good, Nixon honest, and Carter competent.

  • landofaahs

    All of islam is radical and wrong.  They need to convert to Christianity or they well go to the world of Satan. They are Jinn.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    How long and what events will it take for people to finally wake up and see the extremists who are here in America and are deliberately ignored by the admin?

  • landofaahs

    What about the radical state he lived in?  What of the radical schools in Taxachusetts?  Thats how the enemies of America repay you liberals. 

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    I am sorry but political correctness kills again. I mean how blind do you need to be to miss that these guys should have been at least watched. They post jihad videos all over the internet. The older brother went to Russia for six months and was flagged by the Russian government as a possible terrorist. Now we find out that they went to a mosque with ties to Al‑Qaeda but because the left don’t want to hurt Muslims feelings (which most are not bad people) 4 people died and 170 injured. When are you liberals going to stop with the B.S. if it looks like a duck and sounds like on to it is not a moose CAIR and the Muslim brotherhood is not a friend. Get it P.C. police how many more people have to die before you loons get it.

  • landofaahs

    Why would terrorists strike liberal bastions like Boston.  They are bombing their own enablers.  But go ahead liberals give them more benefits and welfare and while you’re at it apologize for living.  Yes get down and grovel. When you feel weak enough you can always disrespect Christians to get some of your manhood back.  You’ll be safe.  Christians don’t repay evil with evil and you won’t have to worry about beheadings and bombs from the Christians.

  • landofaahs

    As Jimmy Stewart said “We do our own living and thanks to no man for the right”. 

  • Anonymous

    I keep hearing that “most Muslims are not bad people” then what explains their silence when so many mosques teach radical behavior across the world, now, today, America is saturated with these centers for teaching extremist behavior, from one side of our nation to the other. Islam is NOT a religion – its a political ideology used by Mohammad to control the uneducated masses of the middle east. Its controlling effects have worked perfectly for almost two thousand years. The ONE TRUE GOD makes the bold claim that he is the God of Israel…something by the way, Islam vehemently rejects.  Islam is a counterfeit religion, therefore, is of the devil and it should be addressed and dealt with as such, by Christians the world over. 

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    I believe they live in fear of what these monsters will do to them if they speak out.

  • Draxx

    Many people own dogs that they know have a Very Strong Chance of Biting or Killing Them, I guess these are the same people accepting those Radicals into our great nation as Harmless…

    And then, Baammmmmm something happens and they refuse to blame the animals for doing the destruction/harm they caused…

  • Anonymous

    That might be true in the middle east and elsewhere, but here in the States, I’m not swallowing that one, no, its more like they’re laughing in our face and as the enemy among us is pacified by us they become stronger.. We’re a pathetic joke to these goons. They know full well, that Americas constitution affords them luxury of religious freedom, what better way to wage war in a foreign land. Its PC alright…just as you rightly express, overlooking such blatant attacks that are becoming more frequent, calling them loners working on their own.

  • Anonymous

     So now we should only have Christianity in America? Pretty bold statement. Ok to disagree with their religious choices based on your own. But I think just a blanket statement that they are wrong and should convert sort of sounds a little like what radical Muslims say about Christians..

  • Anonymous

    We were pretty darn friendly to the muslims before “O” stole the presidency…How many Saudis did we fly out of America after 911…when all other planes were grounded? (240?) I think the Sauds have been working with our government to instill fear in the American people to encourage us to surrender all our rights. (they have almost taken every right afforded us by the Constitution.)

  • Anonymous

    It is really kind of simple…those bastions of liberalness refuse to watch those who have the proven track record of terrorism. If they try it in Texas, they might end up with a bullet in their head before they kill one infidel. (You gotta wonder if they get any virgins in paradise if they screw up that badly!) 

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget Sam, he only went to Russia after his best friend,the Israeli and his 2 Jewish pals were brutally murdered. The older brother didn’t even attend the funeral of his “best friend” but instead head home for some battery recharging…It must be taxing to kill your first (or three firsts) infidel.

  • Anonymous

    The people who are in this mosque are responcible for the death and injury of other Americans because they did not step up and identify the bombers when days went without IDing them. The people in the mosque knew who they were and did nothing. Kick all these radicals out of this country now!

  • http://twitter.com/DanaZZGarcia Dana Garcia

    Who you gonna believe — Obama’s government or your lyin’ eyes?

  • Anonymous

    I say as Christians we must know now that the ONES that believe in a story of a funny little MAN who said, that claimed that one night some moon god guy fell out of the sky to save a certain group of people and then took this so called profit of the funny little moon guy and told him great stories of grandeur if they could kill in there not gods name they would receive a hole lot of whores  upon there death well in my eyes you are full of crap if your radical islam and you dirty asses better never ever underestimate what we are also are willing to die for you are cowards  that’s why you do things hidden like you do as far as this question do you think it will be easy I say for me i’m waiting with a big smile to drop you like a hot turd !
    If you are peaceful we’re ok just be a peaceful I don’t care what your belief just let your loons know we are also very ready to take them straight to hell !!! 

  • Anonymous

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was named after the Muslim Turkic ruler and mass
    murderer. Here is some history on who that vile person was and what
    Tamerlan Tsarnaev was probably attempting to live up to:

    Tamerlan Khan, Emir Timur (Persian: April 1336 – 18 February 1405),
    historically known as Tamerlane) was a Turkic ruler. He conquered West,
    South and Central Asia and founded the Timurid dynasty.

    Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.
    As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic
    symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and
    patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly
    all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime. During his
    lifetime Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world
    after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman
    Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur had also decisively
    defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a
    Ghazi. By the end of his reign Timur had also gained complete control
    over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde
    and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.

    Timur’s armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable
    parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns. Scholars estimate
    that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people,
    amounting to about 5% of the world population.

    So eat that crow pie all you racist white haters!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t personally know how radical the mosque is.
    I do know that I won’t take Glenn’s word as the truth since…
    Glenn has proven his is a bigot, who has attacked persons of color, Jewish Rabbis, etc…

  • Mike Nelson

    Well, good news for you, since Glenn encourages anyone who hears him to go and do their due diligence, find the truth, and think critically about how things work.

    Unlike the press, president, VP, Secretary of [insert gov't entity here], appointed czars, and unions, who posture as if they act not merely in our best interest, but with all their cards on the table.

    Transparency: it’s what Glenn delivers with documentation.

    Documents: it’s what the left at large, and this admin in particular, deliver when asked for transparency.

    Finally, I am dearly interested in your source naming rabbis who have been attacked, and what offering you may make to identify Glenn as a bigot.

  • Mike Nelson

    Is it?

    “They are wrong, and will go to hell if they don’t change.”

    Or:

    “Allahu Akbar!  Only Allah is God!  Death to all unbelievers!!”

    Listen to the mother of the Boston bombers, if you don’t think that’s an accurate portrayal of devout Muslim sentiment.

    I will never understand why some people can’t look at the deeds done by Muslims and associate the act with the teachings.  The Koran specifically teaches that it is not sinful to lie to and cheat infidels, and that the Path to physical pleasure (72 Virgins) is by killing such persons, given the opportunity.

    If the doctrine of Islam were the only thing we were to discuss, separate from Faith, the picture of a group of slave-gangers would emerge as a prevalent and iconic Zeitgeist of the demographic: sex slaves, torture, repression, murder, kidnapping, destruction of property, and criminal trespass would all be evidenced as relevant and purposeful elements of a larger conversation.  Why?  Because these people are taught that the best way for them to get to God is by killing non-believers.

    Conversely, both the Bible and current Christian doctrine teach that lying, stealing, and murder are WRONG.  They generally support and espouse the Golden Rule (Treat others as you wish to be treated) because it’s the best way to live a life free from conflict and sin.  If we looked only at the doctrine of the of Christians, separate from Faith, we would see a group who condemn all of the excesses both permitted and endorsed by Islam.

    Are they so much alike?  If you can conflate the teaching of Christiantiy (there are places where the Bible is “controversially violent”) with the actions of Muslim Jihadis (which are unambiguously horrific on the scale of unrestrained warfare, and supported by their peers and clerics IN THE MODERN DAY), then yes, I suppose they would look similar – but only, in my opinion, to a very sheltered and naive person.

    Perhaps the issue best comes to a question asked of Penn Gilette by Rabbi Lapin on a recent show: if 1,000,000,000 Muslims converted to Christianity today, would the world be a better place?

    I reckon so.

  • landofaahs

    Actually they would go to hell and all those virgins would be ugly as fence posts and their you know whats sewn shut.

  • landofaahs

    Really? And do you condemn the muslims with equal ferocity? How about if some of us don’t want to live by the rules of liberalism? I think it’s liberals who are radicals because they are the control freaks who want everyone to live the way they want. I am more tolerant than that. I want to be left alone and I am willing to leave you alone, but liberals are not willing to live that way.

  • Sandie

    What chaps my ass is the fact that there are jihadi combat training camps inside the US, the CIA & FBI know where they are, and are doing nothing about them but “watching”. They can’t actually “watch” since they are on private property and goings on are not visible to outsiders.

  • Anonymous

     i can only imagine how big of a fustercluck government organizations trying to watch these guys are.  There’s got to be tons of stuff they’re trying to keep track of, especially if these guys weren’t working within an organizational structure that’s tough to stop.

  • Svend Skrumsager Hansen

    Absolutely correct, but not for almost 2000 years, rather  around 1450 years.
    As you say Islam IS NOT a religion but a political ideology and I will add that in  the Koran there are quite a few parts which are copied from The Old Testament and from the Torah.

  • bucketnutz

    These terrorists are Obama’s defacto army,,who will do his bidding of destroying America for the Globalist Government and when they are done he will crush them like a bug. Using opposing armies as tools for revolution is an old tactic

  • Anonymous

    Glen & Company, 
         Look all of this appears to be true…So who has the position, power, and authority to file such charges against Janet Napolitano. I’m tired of being overwhelmed with all of this evidence, facts, and whatever that is presented without the means to know how to move this forward! I mean come-on help start the process so these people can be brought to justice. So many alleged crimes, conspiracies, and lies and yet all that stuff sits, rotting in place. I want  you to put up or shut up!   I listened to you everyday when you were on Fox and I found your to be one of the BEST reporters! And I really mean this when I say it. So now I can’t listen anymore because it’s now sounding like a old women’s “clutch” gossipping about everything and everyone. Everyone on your team as well as all of the contributors have done what appears to be and extraordinary job collecting the facts and connecting the dots!When it comes to action we as the listeners are just “frustrated” because when it comes to leaking information you guys are the best but when it comes to leading not very good.If not you and your team then “Who”? If we are now going over the cliff as it’s being portrayed certainly we have the ability to focus all of our collective energy on those who have the position, power, and authority to bring charges against those who are breaking the law 

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  • Anonymous

    Didn’t you say that your husband was a truck-driver, if so, he may have just what the Dr. ordered for that chapped ass, now what was I going to say, (sorry I just couldn’t resist)- You’re right though, about what you say and another thing to think about, how many other so-called-churches do the same thing by hiding behind the name of God, Rev Write ring any bells? But, and it comes as no surprise, the Tea Party (radicals I’m sure)are constantly monitored by Uncle Sam and his lackeys the Liberal US Media.

    What I’m gathering by this willful warlike conduct conducted by our government officials is, they are at war with the traditional conservative faction of this nation. That also means – their methods will not improve for the betterment of “We the People” but only for the fulfillment of their backward socialist agenda. I fear the only possible way of fighting back, will call for more than relying on a voting booth.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely, not only that, but God says He’s the same yesterday today and forever, meaning, there is no need for him to change – lets face it, perfect is perfect and therefore, it is us (the human race) that must see ourselves as the inferior species and we must change ourselves, rather than the way radical Islam has tried to pawn off. Thanks for the correction on the dates.

  • Anonymous

    What you have said is very true.  Who – or what Organization will do the right thing for ‘we the people’ – so far at least, none – nobody has stood up to organize a worthy opponent in an attempt to foil the insane daily onslaught.  If things continue down this destructive road, eventually, there will be no avoiding civil war….what other viable resource is there?

    I can think of only one…any by the way, it is the only option that can possibly work, BUT…and that means it will not work either….BUT, the only way America can ever avoid the inevitable and solve this growing crisis among our people is, our people must turn to God….not many “gods” mind you as is the statuesque  – but the One, True, Everliving, Almighty – God. We the People (America) must come together as one and publicly prove him at his word – all of it! Obviously, our clergy are unable to figure this centuries old question out, so the only other option we have left is, we have to roll up our sleeves and do the necessary work , seems that, even our so-called religious thinkers can’t get that part right, and what we’re left with has been – religious confusion the world over, not that I’m concerned all that much about the rest of the world and what they do, or don’t do, as I’m an American first, who happens to love his country and if we were ever to get it right – God would set us apart from the rest of the nations giving us a path to walk by, which in turn, would also lead the other nations around the world into doing what is right. As I said though, this idea is everything BUT feasible. History proves that men do not rely on divine guidance to lead them, but instead, try to figure out their differences by the act of war – which history has also proven, never works either.

  • Anonymous

    Question the Mosque thinking of  celebrating thanksgiving and the 4 of July was it just a ruse ,so they can say they’re trying to create more tolerance  and moderation,but there is too much opposition at this time ,and the older bomber was just a shill for the cleric cover ?????/ 

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    Granted but they did it before it was one of the two pure luck or good police work. He was flagged by the Russian government and I don’t know about you but I would like to know what was said between Russia and the FBI pertaining to why the flagged the guy to begin with.

  • Sandie

    LOL. My house mate is an independent trucker – (has his own equipment, tractors and trailers). Unfortunately, there is no cure for that kind of chapped ass. The cure for the other is impeachment and replacement of the corrupt people in congress, and new no nonsense people in the rest of government.

  • Zooropa Fly

    All religion is fake and wrong, not one specific one.
    Overall people who follow Islam tend to be the nicest and most generous people on the planet. Millions of them who live in poverty would welcome you into their homes, welcome, feed and water you. You’ve probably never left redneck towers so shouldn’t pre-suppose how the rest of the world lives and thinks. Particularly based on holy book of choice. “Christ has declared me guiltless” – tell you that himself did he ?

  • landofaahs

    Not. Prove to me that Jesus Christ does not exist and that he was not the son of God.
    As far as muslims being the nicest people on the planet and generous. I think they have not been so inviting to foreigners who have been beheaded by these Jinn. Yes Jesus told me that he declared me guiltless and he did so in the Bible. Your atheism is also an act of faith because it is impossible to prove there is no God. You should remember the old saying “When the world believes you to be a fool, it is best to keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt”. That applies well to you. Remember it.

  • Guest

    The Muslims have killed 100ds of millions of people and still believe in slavery. They are not loving and generous.

  • Zooropa Fly

    As you should well know the burden of proof lies with whomever claims existence of, whatever.  It’s not for me to question your belief, and I don’t. But if you expect me to believe you are gonna need some evidence.  

    If you apply logic to Religion you realise it’s something humans just do.

  • Zooropa Fly

    People kill people irrespective of the excuse. The biggest killer of all is governments.  

    Worst of all races is white people.  

    And of all the white people, The US and UK top the list.  Killing is America’s national obsession.

  • Shane

     We should stop all Muslim immigration into the USA. Muslims are loyal to Islam first and they do not share our values.

  • Shane

     Rush stated that the brothers learned to hate American from their liberal teachers and school mates. So Islam and Liberalism motivated these terrorists.

  • Anonymous

    And I wanted to become a trucker in my younger years, looking at it that way, me and my derriere are much happier now…You have a point there, now just where do we find these “no-nonsense-people” who can agree with one another on how to save this nation.

  • Anonymous

    Who has Beck attacked? Let’s see your list.

  • Sandie

    They will have to come from among us…

  • TylerDurden

    Wasn’t Beck’s religion founded by a convicted con-man? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/mel.kaplan.37 Mel Kaplan

    Are all media types blind to evidence of terrorist acts directed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

  • Sandie

     No, go do some research.

  • landofaahs

    No it is not. In a court of law, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. I am merely defending my position and beliefs. You and your ilk are the ones claiming that what I say and believe is not true. Ergo, ball is in your court and so is the burden of proof. But nice try for a dumb liberal.

  • TylerDurden

    I did. The story of how Mormonism started makes me feel almost embarrassed for anybody who is one.

  • Sandie

    You said “Wasn’t Beck’s religion founded by a convicted con-man?” Tell about this implication you are making. What was the founder convicted of? Be careful now…

  • Zooropa Fly

    Wrong again. I have no right to question your belief as I have said already, and don’t. But if you want ME to believe the same, YOU have to prove it to me. 

    My blanket statement that religions are “fake” is of course a little blunt. When used wisely and as intended (i.e. moderately, for guidance, and for the common good) they can be a wonderful and compassionate thing. When taken too literally and used as a weapon to exert power, control and superiority over others.. on the other hand..

  • TylerDurden

    Glass looking. He claimed he could see into the ground and find treasure. He scammed people out of money doing it. A classic confidence man.

  • Sandie

    What was he convicted of?

  • TylerDurden

    In March of 1826 in the Bainbridge, New York courthouse, he was convicted of being “a disorderly person and an impostor”. He admitted to defrauding citizens by organizing gold-digging expeditions and claimed to possess “necromantic” powers. Four years after that, he claimed to discover the “Book of Mormon”, one of the most ridiculous books ever written with absolutely no proof to back it up. You should research how he “discovered” it.

  • landofaahs

    First off, It is no skin off my nose if you believe me or not. My duty is to spread the good news of Jesus Christ redemption for man’s sins. I have done so.
    But for the sake of forbearance, let me state this.
    “Nothing created itself. All things exist by a creator of it. Logic then states that only an eternal self sustaining being that was not created could bring forth all things that were created”.–Enil Selnad
    If you disagree then please tell me what was the first thing to exist and how did it get here? Ball’s in your court dude.
    To your other point, there must be only one truth by logic and common sense. Therefore, religions and beliefs that contradict each other, must be reconciled in the realm of argument. Waiting for your reply in TOTAL.

  • Sandie

    Actually, Joseph Smith was never “convicted” of anything. The 1826 preliminary “examination“ (as the court bill terms it) was to determine if there were grounds for accusing Smith of defrauding one Josiah Stowell (one of Joseph Smith’s earliest followers, who, incidentally, testified on Joseph Smith’s behalf at the examination). And far from conviction, historian Gordon Madsen, after an exhaustive evaluation of the incident, concludes that “the evidence thus far available about the 1826 trial before Justice Neely leads to the inescapable conclusion that Joseph Smith was acquitted.”

    http://www.fairblog.org/2012/07/30/learning-about-the-founding-of-mormonism-from-jon-krakauer-and-other-fallacies/

    (See here for more details.)
    http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Legal_issues/Trials/1826_glasslooking_trial

  • TylerDurden

    Are you a Mormon?

  • Sandie

    NO

  • TylerDurden

    Why not? You seem to think Joseph Smith was the real deal.

  • Sandie

    “You seem to think Joseph Smith was the real deal.” Not at all. That is a false assumption.

  • TylerDurden

    So you do think he was a con man?

  • Sandie

    I don’t think anything about the man. I am contradicting your claim.

  • TylerDurden

    He either talked to god or was a con man. There is no middle ground.

  • Sandie

    It was one or the other? Not necessarily. You keep making assumptions.

  • TylerDurden

    How could it not be one or the other? Either he looked into his magic hat and learned how Native Americans met Jesus or…he made it all up.

  • Sandie

    Or there is more to the story(s).

  • TylerDurden

    Like what? He was mentally insane and was convinced he was telling the truth when he wasn’t?

  • Zooropa Fly

    There will indeed only be one truth, but that truth may not yet have been, or indeed ever be spoken.  Any one existing religion needn’t be the answer.  
    I don’t know the ultimate cause or reason for things. I don’t know the true story of how time and matter came to be, most probably no monkey ever will (I could make up a story or two about it though). The finest minds on the planet have hit a brick wall on that one and seem to be on a path of wild theorising beyond imagination and application.Forming a belief system is part of the human experience which has occurred again and again. And often they evolve. Christianity for example has a lot to thank the ancient Egyptians for with regard to symbology and story telling.  The ‘word of god’ is actually written by the hand of man.  And man has a tendency to lie and deceive.

  • landofaahs

    I am laughing so hard, it is really difficult to respond. But I will. You just stated that and I quote ” I don’t know the ultimate cause and reason of things. I I don’t know the true story of how time and matter came to be,…..blah blah blah. Please excuser me as I am still laughing… but if you don’t know what the heck you are talking about by your own admission, why the hell would anyone listen to you? What a moron. But you are right on one thing, you have deceived yourself. LOLOLOLOL

  • Sandie

    You don’t know. You are speculating, which is pointless.

    I countered your claim and now you are dragging things out, creating pointless dialogue. Are you lonely?

    I am cutting this off here.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    Nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    Insults and baby talk, as expected.   
    You are one of the worst excuses for a Christian I’ve come across.If you know the Unified Theory of Everything pray tell, the World is waiting…  But it’s the fat guy with the beard isn’t it ?  So who created him and when ? Oh infinity I suppose, that’s an ‘I don’t know’ get out. The human mind can’t conceive infinity so don’t even try.  ’Land of Nod’ more like.

  • Guest

    “Insults and baby talk”, ……..” You are one of the worst excuses for a Christian I’ve come across….” 

     Here you accuse someone else of what you are doing far worse. Landofaahs was right, you are “a dumb liberal“. You may have thought that was an insult, but your post has proven it was the truth.  Did Land say anything about knowing  “the Unified Theory of Everything” ? . . No, that was another of YOUR snarks and an attempt to put Land down to elevate yourself. News flash, zoo, it failed miserably, along with “But it’s the fat guy with the beard isn’t it ?  So who created him and when ? Oh infinity I suppose” .

    I find it amusing but dull that you all argue that which no one knows but have blind faith in with no proof of anything. It is moot.

  • Anonymous

    To the nameless person… Land mocked me for not knowing, so it’s fair to presume he/she thinks they know it all.  Once again I’m not claiming to ‘know’ and not sure why you would accuse me of blind faith in anything, less the usual boring insult of being a liberal.

  • landofaahs

    Just because you have no rebuttal to argue, then you liberals only have racism, bigotry, homophobe, hater of the poor, or a know it all. Talk about boring. I would be so ashamed to be called a democrat. That would be more offensive to me than any of the other monikers.

  • landofaahs

    How would you know what makes a good Christian? You are not one yourself. Just because your mentality is hobbled and you don’t get it, please don’t hang that label on me.
    Man can conceive the idea of infinity or rather eternality, he just cannot fully comprehend it. As Paul said “Now we see as through a mirror darkly but then we shall see fully”. You make disrespect Christianity all you wish. It does not affect my faith one bit. It is not some hoping it is truth but it is truth and I know it for certain. I have a sure faith and nothing shall ever change that. There is peace in knowing “THE TRUTH”.

  • Anonymous

    I hate to upset you, but I am actually a Christian :-)

  • landofaahs

    What does being a Christian mean to you? I’m truly interested since your supposed mockery of an eternal God. This should be very interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/rhettjum lin

    I just got a brochure from our library and they are going to have a Muslim series of talks and it is funded by Endowment for the arts,  Carnegie Foundation and Noble and the local mosque.  I am sure it does not give us the needed info that Glen is giving us.
    The Muslims are invading all of our local elections too, as judges, watchers, etc.  So make sure you are too.  They mean to infiltrate and caliphate.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t get too excited, I haven’t been to Church for a while. The local Minister’s a bit of an alchy which invalidates him as a true holy man in my book anyway.  

    I found it all a bit boring to be honest. It’s not all glitzy and glammy like it is in the States, but then again that’s just money-making at work.  

    But the gist of it for me was about being nice, compassionate, caring and charitable. Not hurting anyone, being nasty to them, respecting them and their beliefs… that kind of thing.  A code for peaceful co-existence.  
    Doesn’t seem to work well though.

    You often, as others do on here, come at a person like a pit bull just off it’s leash with a tirade of foul-mouthed insults and abuse (I can take it so no need to stop). Point is, the Christians I’ve known tend to be more considered and have humility – something rarely displayed here, if anywhere anymore.

    So stop getting so angry, it’s what Obama wants. You’re supposed to hate Muslims and they’re supposed to hate you. Less extremism, self-righteousness and more HUMILITY all round.  

    Then maybe we’d get somewhere.  

    Come on then, take the p**s some more..

  • landofaahs

    First of all I don’t get “excited” as you state, but rather I state is as I see and know it with all the force of my conviction. If I were wishy washy about it, then that would lead others to to believe I was wish washy about it myself. To your point that my statements make you feel as though I am aggressive like a pit bull, well, that is only because your statements did not have any semblance of wanting to understand or make an honest effort to understand.
    I can tell you this though. I knew you would come back with the definition of a Christian that you did. I have met it many many times. I really have doubts that you even read the Bible or at least the New testament in completion. If you truly wish to here my explanation, then say so. If not, then don’t waste my time explaining it. You might find a new perspective if what you say about Christianity is really what you feel.

  • landofaahs

    By the way, I don’t hate muslims. I hate islam because it is a lie and the consequences of believing it have eternal hell consequences. At the same time, I do not believe in forcing others into my faith even if that were possible. Faith like love is a choice of free will, it cannot be imposed upon someone.

  • Anonymous

    We’ve probably annoyed each other enough on this one!  
     You’re right, I haven’t read any of the Bible for decades now. Ammunition to you perhaps- not really.  Of course by admitting I have no answers to the big riddles of life (plenty theories though) – logic dictates that I cannot disprove your literal interpretations of creation etc. But I’m not interested i trying to do that.  My slightly disrespectful description of the big guy was in context of a conversation arena where disrespect and abuse is common. I wouldn’t talk like that to a monk!  But you’re not monks’ and that’s another viewpoint I have about modern Christians. Picking bits that suit and ignoring inconvenient bits – devout but still room for sex drugs and rock’n'roll – cake and eat it!   
    That’s a generalisation of course, as in reality I know nothing of you.

    When I’m gone I don’t expect there to be anything else. I certainly hope not, I’m looking forward to a long kip ! But if you’re right I’ll burn in Hell unless repentful soon ?   So I sincerely hope you’re not !!  

     This is of course one of the big attractions of religion, the promise of ‘something else’. Some of us mortals have trouble facing death, it’s the unknown. So it’s natural to want some comfort.  Having accepted death as the end, I have no need to accept a faith that promises otherwise, and which to choose anyway ?  Back to I can’t prove the God we understand doesn’t exist, but I can’t prove a Lizard God doesn’t exist either.  

    I’ve not doubt in your community and world you do much good and care for most around you.  On here though I read many opinions that suggest it’s a closed loop that doesn’t extend far, and there’s too much hate, suspicion and paranoia directed at certain political and cultural groups.  Things which I wouldn’t expect from a devout Christian.  The American ‘way of life’ or long defunct ‘dream’ have always had clear contradictions with Christianity, and that’s I suppose a lot to do with what the US is going through now.   

    Anyway, maybe I should read some Bible again. It certainly has interesting historical context, that can’t be denied.  Maybe the trick is discerning the fact from the fiction……

  • landofaahs

    All Christians are but poor examples of Christ whom we proclaim. Trust me when I say that my sins are of more numerous and worse degree than anyone’s. When we see God rightly for what he is; Eternal, all knowing, perfect, loving all present and Just, among others. We understand that any one sin is enough to condemn us. None of us can keep his law therefore we need his grace. John chapter 3 is my favorite. Nicodemus asked Jesus if a man could enter back into his mothers womb a second time when we are to be born again. Nicodemus partly answered his own question. We don not choose to be born physically and we certainly do not become born again spiritually by ourselves. It is truly a gift of God.
    When you say that we take care of those in our own circle, I am sure that is true in many ways yet I can tell you that many give to charity all over the world and do so generously. But what is that? Even that is not to our own credit. We are giving what has already been given to us. We earn nothing in this world, not even our own breath. All I have belongs to Christ. I am merely a steward of what he placed in my hands. I will say this though. It is better to give than to receive.
    I can only add this. If you read the Bible, the old testament is pointing toward Christ and the hopelessness of man. The New testament is the fulfillment of the old. There is no sin that has overtaken you that Christ cannot forgive.

  • Zooropa Fly

    Reposted below..

  • Zooropa Fly

    I’ll consider your words, I’ve no doubt therein lies wisdom. I certainly appreciate the time and effort. And who knows, I may have a gander at the Bible sometime soon. I fancied a look at the Koran too but I shouldn’t mention that!  

    Until next time.. take care.

  • landofaahs

    Go ahead and mention it, but muslims just believe that Jesus was a prophet. Yet they reject the words he claimed, “To be the Son of God and God himself” and that he raised himself from the dead. Well, that’s just calling Jesus a liar if you accept older manuscript backed by more earlier sources. But everyone has a right to there own belief and the consequences of it.

  • jen

     So you think conservatives are pretty stupid – huh.  In 2008, all of a sudden a country that has been around for hundreds of years suddenly turns Islamic.  You are nuts – republicans did the same thing with radicalization and set things up for obama to take over with republicans helping him out in congress.

    So, screw your obama rant – clearly, it sounds like you are a huge obama fan and are wanting to help Obama with false illusion of republicans or non-democrats.

  • Anonymous

    What are “our” values?

  • Anonymous

    Great points, There used to be a program which always stated. “Truth, God, & Americanism”. After reading everything I can see Two Things which are the threads to all of our remarks. Love and it’s opposite, Fear. Now don’t get me wrong here a lot of both very keen observations and analysis taken place by the majority of posts, to which I’m indebted too! The looming questions are what can be done about all of this and more importantly who exactly has both the power and the “WILL” to tackle them. And as Bugs Bunny always closed with!
    “And That’s All Folks”!