On radio this morning, Glenn interviewed Governor Rick Perry (R-TX) about President Obama’s impending trip to Texas to kick off his job creation tour. You might be asking yourself, why in the world would the President go to a state that basically proves his economic theories don’t work?
Well, according to CEOs polled by Chief Executive magazine, Texas is the most business-friendly state in the U.S. based on a criteria of taxes and regulations, workforce quality, and living environment. Considering President Obama can use all the job creation advice he can get, Texas is probably a good place to start his tour.
Glenn and Gov. Perry talked about the policies that have allowed Texas to become a hub for new business and entrepreneurship, in what is still a very difficult economy. You can read the full transcript of the interview below:
GLENN: The president is going to meet with our own governor here in Texas, the governor of the great State of Texas, Governor Perry. I believe the last time that he was in town, the president got a letter from Governor Perry, and didn’t he reject it or he just kind of brushed it off, I believe? We have Rick Perry on the phone now. Hello, Governor, how are you, sir?
GOVERNOR PERRY: Glenn Beck, good morning. It’s a beautiful day in Texas. Thank you, sir. Of course, you already know that.
GLENN: Tell me, wasn’t it the last time that you saw the president, didn’t you give him the letter on the tarmac?
GOVERNOR PERRY: Actually the last time I saw the president, he was in Waco for the West Memorial for the EMTs and the firefighters that we lost there with the tragic explosion.
GLENN: Who was
GOVERNOR PERRY: The president was very civil and very appropriately gracious, but the time that we met on the tarmac in Austin, yes, I handed him the letter asking him to take a look at the issue of our border and how to secure the border, and we never heard back from the president directly. Now, one of his staff persons wrote a letter but, you know, you the key is the president’s coming to Texas hopefully in good faith to learn how to create jobs and have a better place in America for a training ground for the president to learn how to do it right.
GLENN: Well, if he wants to learn how to create jobs or if America wants to learn how to create jobs, it’s really quite simple: We just stop electing or hiring to put in the cabinet Marxists.
GOVERNOR PERRY: Well, in Texas we’ve got that figured out.
GLENN: We do? Okay, good. I didn’t know. It seems to be a disease that is spreading all over the country. I didn’t know.
GOVERNOR PERRY: You know, if you really want to be honest, and don’t, you know, try to make some political statement, if results are, I mean just a really scientific look at the states and allow the states to be the laboratories of innovation and say that there are these 50 laboratories out there, Glenn, then who is it that’s actually doing this right? So if the result is the creation of jobs which allow people freedom to live their lives as they see fit.
Now, certainly freedom to fail at an effort, but freedom to be unlimited in what you can what you can achieve and that’s, to me, what America’s really all about. And so if you look at it, from a just cold, scientific standpoint, where is the place that’s created the most jobs both, you know, percentage wise and numbers in jobs in the last five years? Texas added almost 500,000 private sector jobs while this country, this entire country lost over 2 million private sector jobs. That’s from March of ’08 through March of 2013. 6.4%.
GLENN: Here’s the problem. And Rick, you know I love you and I moved here because of the freedom, but we’re having these companies move in and I’m glad to see them move in we have these companies move in and they are bringing all their voters from California and everywhere else and I’m afraid Texas is going to turn into Colorado. We need to have a big sign here someplace that says it’s the freedom that creates jobs.
GOVERNOR PERRY: Yeah, that’s an interesting observation, but I will suggest to you an erroneous observation for a couple of reasons. Number one, Colorado was never this hard red state to begin with. Colorado always had some liberal tendencies, and frankly had there not been an error made in Colorado with the gubernatorial candidate Scott McInnis back two, three years ago, he would have been elected and you would not have seen Colorado doing some of the things that they’re doing today that tend to be substantially blue. But the key is the people that we’re bringing to the State of Texas, they’re givers. I mean, these the takers are staying in Colorado, Colorado or, you know, California or Illinois. They know not to come here and expect government handouts to be the answer. There are people that are coming here, want to be free from overtaxation, overregulation, overlitigation and expect to find a skilled workforce so that they can fill the jobs.
GLENN: Right, right. I’m not wait. You’re misunderstanding me. I’m not saying that the companies are. I’m saying that the people who are moving here for those jobs, they’re coming from California saying, “Something’s wrong with California. It’s all screwed up.” And then they are coming into our communities and they are like, “I love, Texas. Of course, I’d like it to be a little more like home in California.” And I’m afraid they will start voting for the same things that they were voting for in California. I mean, we need some sort of campaign that, you know, is going through the State of Texas that people understand when they move here, what makes it great is the freedom that we have. Because I know the companies understand because the companies, I moved my company down here and everybody knows we’re moving here for the freedom, and my company gets it and my employees get it. But I’m afraid that there’s, you know, people that come in with a lot of employees and they’ll just move them all from California and the employees are just like, “I like California. Of course, it was all screwed up, but my company moved.” We don’t want we want to change their hearts and their minds on how to vote, and I’m not talking about Republican/Democrat. I’m talking about small government.
GOVERNOR PERRY: Freedom. We’re talking about freedom.
GOVERNOR PERRY: And I totally agree with you from the standpoint of it is our responsibility to teach people. We start teaching Texas history at a minimum in the seventh grade. Generally when you hit the ground here, you start learning about this state, the history of this state, the freedom, believing and fighting people that helped develop this state. But I think people come here and they are open to that message of freedom and they are fleeing places that are oppression from a tax and a regulatory and a legal standpoint. So I think they are open and I think you make a good point, but it’s our responsibility as citizens and our responsibility as Texans to educate people every opportunity. I hope here in the next couple of hours, I have the opportunity to educate the president of the United States about freedom and about how powerful it is in the State of Texas and if people reflect that in this great state.
GLENN: (Laughing.) I’m sorry. I just can’t get past that.
GOVERNOR PERRY: There’s a little
GLENN: I just can’t get past, I’d love to teach the president a little bit about freedom. Oh, I wish you the best today. I don’t know how you do it, but I wish you the best, Governor. Thank you so much.
GOVERNOR PERRY: Hey, listen. You take care of yourself. By the way, great job down in Houston this last weekend. It was an incredibly successful convention for the National Rifle Association and a good weekend for the Second Amendment.
GLENN: It was. It was. Thank you very much, Governor. I appreciate it.
GOVERNOR PERRY: God bless you.
GLENN: Governor Rick Perry of Texas.