Shock poll: Americans totally cool with gov snooping on them

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Despite the shocking revelations coming out about how the government is engaging in widespread spying and data collection on the American people, a new poll shows that a majority are ok with the practice. That’s a truly unbelievable number, and Glenn laid out why every American needs to be concerned on the radio show.

The Pew Research Center for People & The Press explained:

A majority of Americans – 56% – say the National Security Agency’s (NSA) program tracking the telephone records of millions of Americans is an acceptable way for the government to investigate terrorism, though a substantial minority – 41% – say it is unacceptable. And while the public is more evenly divided over the government’s monitoring of email and other online activities to prevent possible terrorism, these views are largely unchanged since 2002, shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Glenn said that this is a sign that people need to be educated on the implications of this scandal.

“What does it mean if somebody can listen to you, if somebody can record all of your conversations?  Most people think that you can’t do anything ‑‑ ‘I’m not doing anything wrong.’  Understand that you’re not doing anything wrong now.  You’re living a good and decent life.  But depending on who has power, they can use this information against you,” Glenn said.

Even if you’re living a good life and have nothing in your past that you would ever be embarrassed to have exposed, you may have family and loved ones who may have done something stupid thinking they were anonymous.

“Are you sure your kids aren’t spouting something stupid on the Internet?” he asked. ”

“Are you telling me that something innocent that you’re doing can’t ever be used against you? America, wake up. Wake up. Not for you but for our kids. What happens to this surveillance state when they cannot escape?” Glenn said.

 

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    And behold upon the night came the cries of four riders as they moved across the land, each bearing a different name uniquely their own, though all four are as one:

    First came Corruption – for people given absolute power become absolutely corrupt.

    Second came Enslavement – for the people had sold their birthright of freedom on the cheap and had valued it not; now it is past and cannot be restored without sacrifice of immense measure.

    Third came Tyranny – for the people now are subjugated unto the whims of their rulers, and have no hope left. Far too late they understand what has been lost to them.

    Fourth came the worst of the riders, for he is called Death – and so he comes to gather the harvest prepared in an wave of blood, fire, steal and destruction; for people and nations die and he gathers them all unto the judgement to come.

    Learn the lesson well people, for we will all be held to account for the choices we make.

  • Anonymous

     The second option.

  • landofaahs

    Should we be surprised the same people who voted for are Obama are stupid enough to be O.K. with govt. intrusion.  But ask those same people if they would be O.K. with it if a Republican were president.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alicia-Cervera/100003332732175 Alicia Cervera

    I’ve got   news for these Americans who are OK with snoopng on us.  When they get targeted they will think twice that these are the very STEPS the govt uses to finally  intimidate one and control your life.  What is the  matter r with people?. are they so  BLIND not to see it will affect them as well????????????We are DOOMED!

  • Anonymous

    Did you complain about the Patriot Act… ?    If crap is to hit the fan anytime soon, it’s been let’s say ‘steered’ that way for a long time. 9/11 was the catalyst for things going into overdrive, including complete control of information.  I would have have told you five years ago that the US and UK governments were tracking and effectively recording all electronic communications (project echelon in uk).   You have to be suspicious about 9/11 when you add up all that’s happened since, and all that’s been done in it’s name.

  • Anonymous

    Those using the free ObamaPhones will be put out of business over this !

  • Anonymous

    I did complain, so did millions of others.   You can see how much good it did.

  • Ron Brueske

    Yuppers, the end is nigh.

  • Anonymous

    That was directed at ‘aahs’ Rocky, turning his statement around. The point really being that at highest echelons, Dems & Reps have been on the same side for a long time so it’s all “Hamilton Accies” as they say here in Scotland ! (Hamilton Academical FC – as in the ‘academical’ bit !).   And as you say, how much good does objecting do ?  When did a Government ever say “OK, we won’t do that then”.

    Anyway, the way I see it:  you’ve all got to get together at the grass roots level, even including the libtards, commies and occupy (if there’s anything left of occupy..). You all need to get America back, then you can do battle with each other in a real political arena once again.  Until the real enemy is taken care of all the name calling is fruitless and exactly what the enemy wants. Start by putting pressure on to 1) audit and 2) end, the Federal Reserve Bank.  A few people might start to die suddenly and wars may start, but that’s the core of the problem and any serious threat to it might draw some of the worms from the woodwork..

  • Anonymous

    More Democrats than Republicans in Congress voted against the 2011 Patriot Act reauthorization. There’s a lot of hypocrites on both sides (Dems that support it now, Repubs that oppose it now) but since leaders in both parties support it it’s going to take a collaborative effort between the Wyden/Udall wing of Democrats and the Paul/Lee wing of Republicans if anything is going to be done about it.

  • Anonymous

    this quote has been mentioned before but it is very important that we repeat it over and over again: “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one”  Benjamin Franklin
    Freedom, including freedom of speech is a principal pillar of a free government.  Throughout the
    ages wise people have understood this.  “He, who is brave is free.”, said Seneca a Roman Philosopher of ancient times.  And Winston Churchill said: ” All great things can be explained in single words, Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy and Hope “.  Why is it so hard to understand that we have nothing, if we give up freedom?  These people who trust those who have shown not to be trustworthy are simpletons.  They should ask the survivors who lived under Communist rule or under the Hitler Dictatorship what it was like to be just a number, a shadow of oneself a pawn to those who controlled them.  There is no trust, not even in the own family, nor between friends or neighbors.  This is the nightmare which is coming our way if we relinquish what we as Americans hold so dear.  FREEDOM  Wake-up America   

  • Carolyn Sanchez

    No doubt in my mind that I am on “the list”.  

  • OpenMinded

    All this reminds me of the McCarthy era when it wasn’t whether or not YOU were doing anything wrong but that you had a friend who might be leaning in the wrong direction (communist for back then).  It is always so easy to twist someones words to mean what you want. Also this could be abused by some worker in the nsa , just as a rogue cop (cannibal cop in NY) was using police resources and training to stalk women. Or the Higway patrol officer who used his knowledge and position to serial kill a number of women out west. Just a couple of many abuses of power.  Personally I want no spying. IF the police have enough evidence to get a warrent for someone then fine but NOT  a blanket ability to spy on everyone innocent or not!

  • BoneHead

     I am beginning to believe all politicians and News personnel are on the take and only stalling till obama’s agenda is complete!

  • BoneHead

     Yes SnowLeopard,  I am beginning to believe all politicians and News personnel are on the take and only stalling till obama’s agenda is complete!

  • BoneHead

     Again I say:  I am beginning to believe all politicians and News personnel are on the take and only stalling till obama’s agenda is complete!

  • BoneHead

     Second option: Sleep little sheep, Sssssleeeeeppppp! Everything is OK! Ssssleeeeeeppppp………

  • greywolfrs

    The only problem with this statement is McCarthy was right.

  • greywolfrs

    Again, there is no need for the government to have that much data storage space in that new facility to track terrorists alone. The sheer size and scope of that could never be to track “a few muslim extremists.” That is a huge load of B S. This proves that most of the dumbed-down population of this country have no clue what is contained in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They so easily give up freedom for a little bit of security. What will they need to give up for the security from their own government? At that point, there will only be one thing to give, their life. Fools.

  • Anonymous

    sadly I’m not surprised. 
    Is the”I just scratched my ass”crowd I need to send out a tweet going to care if they’re being monitered.  

  • greywolfrs

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, because I am the meanest mother f***er in the valley…

  • Anonymous

    I have to work for a living and so can’t listen to every show discussing government intrusion, but I’ve yet to hear anyone point out that the terrorists Obama wants to monitor are not his buddies in the Muslim Brotherhood or Al-Qaeda, but Americans that might stand up to him at some point.  They’re watching for patriots, conservatives, Christians, gun owners, Tea Party members, and any person or business or organization that’s amiable toward them.  They’re looking at this!  I’m making myself a target by writing this.  They can figure out who I am.  They’re categorizing and profiling us.  They want to back us up into a corner without any means of protecting ourselves and find an excuse to eliminate us in one way or another.  They want us to rise up so that they can put us down and say, “See?  We told you they were radical and dangerous!”.  They’ll eventually turn on many of them who supported these efforts.  As in George Orwell’s Animal Farm, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”  I cringe when I hear Obama call for equal pay for women because I know he’s heading toward a time in which the government tells each of us what we should be paid.
    Here’s what I don’t get.  What’s in it for them?  Who’s promising them everlasting life or rewards in heaven?  For what, imposing “fairness” on others through fascism or socialism?  For humiliating and subjugating a great nation?  Would even Allah reward them for this?  Aren’t most liberals atheists anyway?  We need to unravel this and expose them in a way that even the low-info voters can understand.

  • Anonymous

    These Polls are nothing but BS . Who did they actually poll. How many of you have ever been polled? Not once have I ever been polled. 

  • Anonymous

    These Polls are nothing but BS . Who did they actually poll. How many of you have ever been polled? Not once have I ever been polled. 

  • greywolfrs

    Well, one can guess that they are some what accurate, look how many dolts voted for Obamao. Look how many idiots were OK with the Patriot Act when it was first passed. It really isn’t very far-fetched.

  • Anonymous

    This is the result of Liberals stopping the teaching of the Constitution and our other founding documents to children in our schools.  If you don’t know you’re rights how can you appreciate losing them?!

  • Anonymous

    Really! Guess! That’s what got us into this mess. With people making statements like ”We have to pass it ,to find out what`s in it” ,in our congress. Well, you won`t have to wait too much longer to find out your fait. End game is coming soon.   

  • Anonymous

    Really! Guess! That’s what got us into this mess. With people making statements like ”We have to pass it ,to find out what`s in it” ,in our congress. Well, you won`t have to wait too much longer to find out your fait. End game is coming soon.   

  • Sandie

     The data being collected on people is more than what has been reported in the news. This is a partial list from the Governments NSA website:
      
    “For security reasons, it is unrealistic to expect a complete list of information we collect for our national citizen database. In the spirit of openness and transparency however, here is a partial list:”  

    -internet searches
    -websites visited
    -emails sent and received
    -social media activity (Facebook, Twitter, etc)
    -blogging activity including posts read, written, and commented on 
    -videos watched and/or uploaded online
    -photos viewed and/or uploaded online
    -music downloads
    -mobile phone GPS-location data
    -mobile phone apps downloaded
    -phone call records
    -text messages sent and received
    -online purchases and auction transactions
    -bookstore receipts
    -credit card/ debit card transactions
    -bank statements
    -cable television shows watched and recorded
    -commuter toll records
    -parking receipts
    -electronic bus and subway passes/Smartpasses
    -travel itineraries
    -border crossings
    -surveillance cameras
    -medical information including diagnoses and treatments
    -prescription drug purchases
    -guns and ammunition sales
    -educational records
    -arrest records
    -driver license information 

    http://nsa.gov1.info/data/index.html 

  • Anonymous

    It makes me wonder how many of those Americans were illegals…their opinion does not count..that is a privilege only for citizens of the United States of America. I can’t imagine anyone being happy about the snooping done by our Government(Obama and his cronies). There is nothing good that comes from it but more distrust and shame. Our present Administration is out of control, abuses the power they have and don’t give a hoot about the  comfort or happiness of the American people. But we cannot give up because that is what they are counting on.

  • antithetical radical

    We have a serious problem with the computer literate younger generations – since when did it become OK to be compliant to the point of submissive, and when did they change the title of the chief executive to Commissar? 

    Either we have become so fat, dumb and happy as to emulate cattle, or there is a serious misunderstanding of what they are recording and archiving at NSA and the other agencies. This is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment, which states:

    “AMENDMENT IV
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    Maybe your average citizen simply does not understand that any case can be fabricated against anyone at any time using this level of intrusion into any person’s privacy, and this is just one of the reasons the U.S. Army was created June 14, 1775. 

    We didn’t stand for the King of England ruling us in this fashion 238 years ago, so why are so many people oblivious to this obvious power grab now? Couple this with the demonstrated proclivity of this administration to violate other parts of the Constitution and it paints a grim picture for the future of America indeed.

  • Anonymous

    Good points! Very well said, AR.

  • antithetical radical

    Thanks. I hope the people wake up in time – but time is running out.

  • Sandie

     Many people who are not opposing the data collection say “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.”   They need to think a little deeper.

     

    Some
    people attempt to refute the nothing-to-hide argument by
    pointing to things people want to hide.  The problem with that is the
    underlying assumption or faulty premise that privacy is about hiding bad
    things, but there is far more to it than that. 

     

    A
    harm can come from
    the fusion of small bits of seemingly innocuous data such that when
    combined, the
    information paints an untrue picture, or one that you would rather not
    be out there.  For example, suppose you
    bought a book about cancer – not very revealing on its
    own, as it indicates just an interest in the disease. Suppose you
    bought a wig, which could be for any number of reasons – Halloween
    party?  But the government can combine these two pieces of info and make
    the inference that you are undergoing
    chemotherapy for cancer.  It may not be true, but it also may be a fact
    that you would want to have the choice of sharing or not.

     

    Another potential problem with the government’s harvest of personal
    data is that  people are prevented
    from having knowledge about how information about them is being used,
    and they are barred from accessing and correcting errors in that
    data. It can become a due-process problem. It involves the way
    people are treated by government institutions. It creates a power
    imbalance between people and the government.  Should
    government officials have such a significant power over citizens?

     

    Distortion
    is another problem. Although personal information can reveal quite a
    lot
    about people’s personalities and activities, it often fails to reflect
    the whole person. Often details are omitted when capturing information.
    For example; a man buys a few books  on how to manufacture
    methamphetamine. That
    information makes the government suspect that he’s building a meth lab.
    The missing detail is that the man is writing a novel about a character
    who makes meth. His records only showed that he made the purchase, not
    why.
    Should he/we have to worry about government scrutiny of all his/our
    purchases

    and actions? Should he/we have to be concerned that he’ll/we’ll wind up
    on a
    suspicious – persons list? This will so easily happen to people. 
    Unintended consequence – surveillance can/will inhibit such lawful activities as free speech, free
    association, and other First Amendment rights essential for democracy.

     

    The nothing-to-hide argument focuses on a singular and narrow way of conceiving of
    privacy – the disclosure of personal information or
    surveillance – while excluding consideration of the other problems
    often raised with government security measures.   The
    nothing-to-hide argument denies the existence of a
    problem, and if it does acknowledge the problem it contends that the
    benefits of the program outweigh the privacy sacrifice.

     

    Loss
    of privacy and increase in surveillance are incremental. First it’s
    your phone calls, then bank records, credit card records, emails,
    browsing habits, etc.   After a while, the government will be watching
    and knowing
    everything about us – have large dossiers of everyone’s
    activities, interests, reading habits, finances, and health. What if the
    government leaks the information to the public? or they determine that
    based on your pattern of activities, you’re
    likely to engage in a criminal act? or they deny you the right to fly? What if the government thinks your financial transactions look
    odd – even if you’ve done nothing wrong – and freezes your accounts?
    What if
    they don’t protect your information with adequate security,
    and an identity thief obtains it and uses it to defraud you? Even if
    you have nothing to hide, the government can cause you a lot of harm.

     

    These are just some highlights from Nothing to Hide: The False Tradeoff Between Privacy and Security by  Daniel J. Solove,  professor of law at
    George Washington University.

  • Sandie

    “…no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation,…” That is what should trip them up, yet they persist. Lawsuits MUST be brought!
     
    “We didn’t stand for the King of England ruling us in this fashion 238 years ago, so why are so many people oblivious to this obvious power grab now? ”

     IMO, many people have been lulled into believing the government is our protector, and can be trusted. Many are being taken care of by the government now.  They have been convinced that this is for their further protection – part of the nanny state mentality.   Unfortunately, they have been duped – have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and don’t have the critical thinking skills or inclination to dig beyond what they have been brainwashed with.

  • greywolfrs

    Excpet my point made reference to particular things that prove the theory, therefore it isn’t really a guess. By the way, what is “fait?”

  • greywolfrs

    I very much agree with what you are saying, but feel the need to take it a step further. This smells of “Minority Report.” Prosecuting people for crimes they have not yet committed.

    This also presents many other problems. Judicial oversight is joke, as they arbitrarily gather infomation. Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the new norm.  

    Nevermind this whole thing goes against the Constitution and the purpose of that document. Those people you speak of don’t seem to understand that having nothing to hide does NOT mean the government has a right to know.

  • Sandie

    Their claim is that it is necessary for national security. The computer surveillance system is part of the White House Continuity of Government Plan. The Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system
    establishes executive branch readiness levels based on possible threats
    to the National
    Capital Region. The President alone determines and issues the COGCON
    Level which range from COGCON-4 to COGCON-0.
      
     What will they do under COGCON-0 ?
     
     -Activate classified
    CONPLAN 3600 evacuating the President and those in the line of
    presidential succession.
     
    -Activate classified CONPLAN 3502 deploying the
    military to enforce law
    and order within the Civilian Control Districts during the expected chaotic unrest. The military would impose curfews until the chaos
    subsided. Citizens would be required to carry
    identification at all times. The civilian judicial system would be
    temporarily halted until full order was restored.

    Military forces would have the authority to imprison rioters,
    looters and other civilians committing criminal offenses. Anyone failing
    to heed the orders of the military would be arrested and
    held in temporary detention camps until the civilian judicial process
    was restored. Special military units acting under the authority of
    classified JCS CONPLAN 0300-97 would
    detain Main Core watchlisted individuals in the Special Circumstances
    Section of the federal detention camps.

      
    -Seize all private
    communication facilities and assume control over all civilian voice
    and data communications.
     
    -Activate
    internet kill switch.
     
    -Commandeer all U.S. domestic resources
    including food and water.
     
    -Seize all domestic energy and transportation
    infrastructure.
      
    -Deploy the national citizen conscription plan
    to fulfill any labor required for the purpose of national defense
    and reconstitution.
     
    ……….makes what the government in Iran did sound not so bad? ……..
      
    In 2012, President Obama issued two Executive Orders that greatly
    expanded his executive powers in the event of a national emergency.
    The March 2012 Executive Order gives the President the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic
    resources, including food and water, and seize all energy and
    transportation infrastructure within the United States.
    The order also authorizes the U.S. Government to force its
    citizens to fulfill labor requirements
    for the purposes of national
    defense.  (Nazi Germany? What do they do if you resist? Shoot?)
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
     
     The July 2012 Executive Order
    gives the Department of Homeland Security authority over private communication networks in emergency situations.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-

  • Sandie

    Their claim is that it is necessary for national security. The computer surveillance system is part of the White House Continuity of Government Plan. The Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system
    establishes executive branch readiness levels based on possible threats
    to the National
    Capital Region. The President alone determines and issues the COGCON
    Level which range from COGCON-4 to COGCON-0.
      
     What will they do under COGCON-0 ?
     
     -Activate classified
    CONPLAN 3600 evacuating the President and those in the line of
    presidential succession.
     
    -Activate classified CONPLAN 3502 deploying the
    military to enforce law
    and order within the Civilian Control Districts during the expected chaotic unrest. The military would impose curfews until the chaos
    subsided. Citizens would be required to carry
    identification at all times. The civilian judicial system would be
    temporarily halted until full order was restored.

    Military forces would have the authority to imprison rioters,
    looters and other civilians committing criminal offenses. Anyone failing
    to heed the orders of the military would be arrested and
    held in temporary detention camps until the civilian judicial process
    was restored. Special military units acting under the authority of
    classified JCS CONPLAN 0300-97 would
    detain Main Core watchlisted individuals in the Special Circumstances
    Section of the federal detention camps.

      
    -Seize all private
    communication facilities and assume control over all civilian voice
    and data communications.
     
    -Activate
    internet kill switch.
     
    -Commandeer all U.S. domestic resources
    including food and water.
     
    -Seize all domestic energy and transportation
    infrastructure.
      
    -Deploy the national citizen conscription plan
    to fulfill any labor required for the purpose of national defense
    and reconstitution.
     
    ……….makes what the government in Iran did sound not so bad? ……..
      
    In 2012, President Obama issued two Executive Orders that greatly
    expanded his executive powers in the event of a national emergency.
    The March 2012 Executive Order gives the President the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic
    resources, including food and water, and seize all energy and
    transportation infrastructure within the United States.
    The order also authorizes the U.S. Government to force its
    citizens to fulfill labor requirements
    for the purposes of national
    defense.  (Nazi Germany? What do they do if you resist? Shoot?)
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
     
     The July 2012 Executive Order
    gives the Department of Homeland Security authority over private communication networks in emergency situations.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-

  • mspatdev

    I agree with you and what you have said is True. This nation is not going to be around when obammy is threw with it. We will loose everything that is so precious and dear to all of us and that is  OUR FREEDOM. Then the people will wake up and find what they have lost and then it will be to late. The way obammy is going with the scandals and denying each one of them is a BIG lie. He calls the phone snooping, a terrorist. Why can’t he take care of the terrorist that is here such as: Fort Hood and Boston and many others? He wants the power and WE LOOSE more of our FREEDOMS. He and his Czars are doing and thinking of other dangerous things to us. He is using his executive powers and the U.N. is helping him. I do not trust obammy. He is a liar.

  • Sandie

    That is right. The day will come when “their ox is gored” and they will possibly finally see the light. Just as the unions who supported Obamacare now are suddenly all up in arms because their rates are increasing or their companies are dumping them on the exchanges where the coverage is worse and their premiums are still higher than what they were when the company covered most of it.

    They were taught what to think, not how to think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004531723269 Tr Hathcock

    The pollster didn’t ask me.

  • Anonymous

     while most atheists do tend to vote democrat or more liberal, to the tune of 71%, less than 20% of the country identifies themselves as irreligious let alone atheist, not enough to make up a majority of liberals.  Many liberals, including almost all that I know, are religious.
    This is not to defend the administration on their actions against opposition groups, but Obama has been hyper aggressive against al qaeda and he’s not exactly buddies with the muslim brotherhood as diplomatic cables released by wikileaks showed around the time the massive protests began happening in Egypt.  We didn’t take them seriously and stated we should continue to support Mubarak who should have no problem staying in power.  Biden even spoke out in favor of Mubarak refusing to call him a dictator.
    This is an area and a situation where it appears that stability is the goal no matter who is in charge.  when it became evident that the revolution was going to succeed and Mubarak would be toppled it was prudent to jump on the bandwagon of the victor and put ourselves in the best and most flexible position going forward.

  • Anonymous

    I have a really hard time believing that these poll results could be accurate. You can manipulate a poll to ‘prove’ anything you want to. Just for the record, I’m NOT ok with it.

  • Anonymous

     I’m not a sheeeeep… I AM A FREE MAN !

  • Anonymous

     ”beginning to believe” …  your bonehead’s been up your bonearse for a while :-)

  • Anonymous

    I find selling 20 (?) F-16s plus tanks to Egypt at a time when their leaders speak of a violent overthrow of Jerusalem to be unsettling.  Arming the opposition in Syria without fully understanding their affiliations and long-term intentions seems very risky.  It seems that none are more dangerous to Muslims than other Muslims.  Perhaps they’re encouraging them to kill each other to thin out the herd.
    I understand the value of having well-informed representatives in a Republic handling these matters, but I wonder why political power motivates them more than ensuring the good of their country.  That’s why I ask of these mortals, what’s in it for them?  Why can’t they step back and see how destructive their decisions are and change course?  Given enough publicity, people assume they’re deserving of more terms and keep voting for them.  Nothing insightful here, just wondering …

  • Snorri

    Take a good look at what passes for being college educated.  The old saying “you can not underestimate the taste of the American public” should be amended to include common sense.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like this poll was part of damage control and spin. Rasmussen has another view, which shows 59% are very concerned about privacy, and Fed snooping, with 26% all for it.  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/59_oppose_government_s_secret_collecting_of_phone_records

    It would be interesting to see a day by day since the break of the news and follow up news stories to link to it the Spinmeisters defensive walls tossed up. 

    Like Day one, shock and outrage. Day two, RINOs Defend NSA, Day three, Snowden, Hero or Heel. Day Four, 29 year old bearded doo-dah crazy commie, Day Five Polls show most Americans want more NSA, Day six, US Intelligence severely crippled, Terrorists changing internet subscriptions, Twitter stock soars, ect.

    The drumbeat narratives followed are very coordinated, scripted and with purpose in mind, that is to defuse and deflect the discussion away from the facts:  the Executive branch under Obama is snooping — and sometimes acting on its yield — on most if not all Citizens in the country, and keeping the records, through phones and internet.  Meanwhile, Congress sat back, and surrendered their ”oversight” role, and watched it transform from “Oversight” of the intelligence services and Executive Branch to “Oversight” of the U.S. public. 

    There was even a dodge-ball tossed in about how we have all lived for decades under a Supreme Court ruling which permitted the Post Office to scan and capture the front and back of all mail sent by ourselves.  Once again, nothing to see here, move along, sleep on.

    This is unfortunate, and true, but fails to capture the distinct difference between capturing one letter or envelope or package data, and capturing all envelopes or package data sent by Each Citizen, and then being able to recall them.

    Of course this data base has likely already been provided Prism by now, so in that way it is actually relevant.

  • landofaahs

    Republican and democrats are both corrupt and playing “good cop, bad cop” with us constantly. They get rich off the power over us that they have and are both pigs at the trough. You have to pay off these corrupt officials in order to keep the thugs from coming after you. It’s called a protection racket. I want the power of the district of corruption over the citizens broken. Money is what feeds this monstrous beast. That must be dealt with first.

  • Anonymous

    What we are seeing and hearing now are ripples on the surface of our national problems.  We have an administration with  little or no morality.  The Morning After pill is a case in point.  My question is, what has happened to the Czars?  We hear nothing of them.  We have a government within our constitutional government.  The Czars are making policy and Obama is implementing it by Executive Orders bypassing the legislative process.  No wonder some of our best conservative Senators and Representatives are not running in 2014.  They see the writing on the wall.  God save us if we have both houses Democratic after the election.  I bet the 46% is under the age of 50.  They only know of the political wars of Korea and Vietnam.  They do not know what a war for the survival of our freedom and unity is about.

  • Anonymous

    Lol fate is the answer to your question my friend.

  • landofaahs

    I was for nuking the enemy and not risking the life of one American.  I don’t care if civil rights of enemies across the pond are violated, I am for American citizens rights.  But no I don’t have to be  suspicious about 911 and think the govt was responsible for it.  That would take to many people to be able to keep quiet. Mr. Snowden is proof of that.  And yes I knew this was going on with the NSA, you just don’t have the proof until someone squeals.  You just get ridiculed when you say something.  But not all conspiracy theories are equal.  They have to pass the smell test.  The 911 conspiracy does not.  Sorry, I like Alex Jones but he’s wrong on that one.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing to see, move along. It’s just fine what the government is doing because it’s for a reason. Well, okay, a few reasons. First it streamlines everything so this next generations starts thinking twice and more about what it is they are doing at any time of day. Secondly, lots of people know we haven’t ben the America we were for at least thirty years so it’s time everyone got back to the old days. Since nobody really remembers how to do that we could use some help.Thirdly, the new America has something called “Big Data” which wil be changing how everyone will work and live. There are a few books about Big Data and why it needs to exist so  it would be helpful to read those before getting all upset about being spied on.   

  • Anonymous

    Israel is still selling Egypt weapons http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-selling-military-wares-to-mideast-countries-britain-says.premium-1.528993#.UbeKTxGh0eU.facebook

    The thing is the crazies think they are doing what’s best for their country and people.

  • Anonymous

     ”the govt was responsible for it” – I didn’t say that, and I know you didn’t directly say I did !  For the record I’m not putting forward any comprehensive explanation and never have.  But not being directly responsible doesn’t mean the gov didn’t know, didn’t encourage, didn’t enhance…  There are still several occurances of the fateful day that smell bad to me.  That’s not hanging on any ewetube doc or what AJ says.  My eyes and brain are enough to interpret certain of the officially described events as false.  But let’s not go into detail here. 

    Take Boston. As I said in a relevant post, if the official story is as happened then fair enough. If there was some kind of conspiracy put up job then fine.  The important event in that story was rehearsing the lock down of a whole city and testing public resistance to being told “STAY in your HOMES !”, and literally rifling through peoples private property. It was a runaway success as far as I saw.   So as with 9/11 – whatever the facts of what actually happened, the salient issue is what’s

  • greywolfrs

    Yeah, it’s funny you mention the exchanges. The L.A. Times did a story about two weeks ago on the cost of insurance, in CA, from the exchange. ALL rates are going up. They qualified it by saying it wasn’t as bad as everyone thought. In my area, the average cost is going from about $252.00 per month to $314.00 per month. I am curious where all those people who said this would save are…

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    “I am curious where all those people who said this would save are…”

    Look for low information Obama Cultists.

  • greywolfrs

    They seem to be kind of scarce…

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    They’re all here on the internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    We are in a paradox here . . . Obviously our Govt. is listening and cheking us more than we think and sure violates our rights and liberty; however, the reason we are in this mess came after 911 and our efforts and desires to catch the terrorists and Bin Laden. Bin Laden is gone, but not his idealogy and followers, so if we don’t have a program like the NSA, how we gonna fight these crazies? and how we can do it without invading our privacy . . . tough call. Sometimes we can have it all, ah?

  • greywolfrs

    True, maybe I should clarify my statement, they don’t seem to be running that line of B S anymore. I haven’t seen vicki tiffany, finestupidity or critter around, lately…

    P.S. calling them the “low-information” crowd is false, they are the “NO-information” voters.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    They’re all over at the Alternutz.

  • magicboop

    I am outraged by this.  I asked my hubby and he’s like, this has been going on for years.  I said, Dude this is not o.k.  What did he say, I just want to be left alone.  I literally cried, I was so ashamed of his response.  We went to 8/28 together.

    I also have a lib friend and she said, what do I care, I’m not doing anything wrong.

    People do not care, plain and simple.

  • greywolfrs

    Cool, let them stay there…

  • Sandie

    Where I am they are going up into the $600s and higher for age and conditions. Most about doubled.

  • crazy betty

    these evil spying bastards are going to get what they deserve when the anti-christ reveals himself…

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Because of Our Constitution, it does not matter if 99% of voters want, for example, gun confiscation or for another example warrantless searches. Laws resulting from those “democratic” demands would be null and void as “repugnant to the Constitution”.

    A careful reading of Article 6, Section 2 will show that laws, regulations, treaties or amendments shall have effect… ONLY if made in Pursuance of the Constitution.

    Fortunately, we live in a Republic under a Constitution which binds us all. In a Democracy “liberal” voters could tyrannize away all of our rights, but we don’t have a Democracy. Our Constitution constrains government and all other tyrannies.

  • Anonymous

     Pachy:
    A couple of thoughts;  The doctrine of Islam (as in the Koran and taught by clerics) is global jihad.  The methods (as in the Koran and taught by clerics) are force and extreme violence.  In Islam, orthodoxy is required under pain of death.

    Granted that Islam is an anti-religion and a political death-cult.  High officials of Islam declare that “Mosques are our barracks, the dome our helmet, minarets our bayonets, the faithful our soldiers”.

    Let’s repurpose NSA.  The statements and actions of Islam ARE probable cause.  So, watch all Moslems and mosques 24 – 7.   That would even be Constitutional!

  • Anonymous

    It’s not Obama destroying the country. The whole argument is short-sighted and petulant. And the country is not losing its freedoms.The country is gone, lost, cooked, done. Got it? It was you and I who sat by and let it happen. And if you voted for Romney or Bush you’re just as guilty as anyone who voted for Obama. Maybe more so. If you’re still thinking in terms of left and right, you’re seriously confused about who the enemy is. That means you’re harming yourself unknowingly. It’s not Obama or Pelosi or the left. It’s the power structure itself: the banks, the media, the government, the military, the police force. Simple as that. And if you still watch television, stop. You’re being manipulated. The only people allowed on television are those who serve their interests. Everyone else is fired or weeded out in advance. And anyone who dissents or goes rogue, ends up like Glenn Beck. Just like in society. If you subvert the dominant paradigm/fictional elite narrative and the lies of the Judeo-Marxist class, you’re a pariah or a dead man. The rot in America didn’t begin when Obama was inaugurated. It began when Lincoln was, maybe before, accelerated in a number of conflicts in the very early 20th century and late 19th, and it took a giant leap forward with Wilson jumping into WW1 against Germany, for purely imperial reasons, and it was all over once ’64 came to a close. When the empire started, freedom was lost. It was only a matter of time before they took all of it. You live in a soft totalitarian state. Your democracy is probably an illusion, your freedoms are all conditional, your government is infinitely criminal and corrupt. This NSA revelation is just a drop in the water. What your government is up to, and what it hides from you, would make even a felon blush. To march along with these fools is the height of immorality.

  • antithetical radical

    The problem is as a famous philosopher once said that when the general population learns how to take from the treasury, that society is doomed. It is a case of chickens coming home to roost, and that is the root of the problem – too many satisfied with being bird brains instead of following the natural human urge to improve oneself and their surroundings.

    They simply don’t understand that they can do better, and the only limitation they face is that within their own mind.

  • mspatdev

    It is obammy, czars which is his cabinet members, Soros, rag media and others are all so far-left, muslim jihard, socialist and communist. We still have a few of our Constitution left, but it is going. I did try to convince people when he first ran for office. I very seldom watch T.V. I am very aware of the crooks in the government and their defrauding the American people. I do know that obammy is so crooked and he is out to destroy American with any means that he can.  See the movie 2016, that is about obammy and his father and what/why he is destroying us. I do believe a lot of what you have said, because that is my belief and what I have studied. You ought to be lucky I replied to you, as my computer doesn’t work good  here lately.    All I have to say is: May God Bless America.

  • mspatdev

    I totally disagree with the snooping of Americans, that is another way of losing our freedoms. They can’t even find terrorist under there noses. What happened to Fort Hood and Boston? These people WERE TERRORIST. The government had all of their information from other countries. So, how do they expect to catch millions of people in the USA and the world? This is socialist, Hitler’s way. Wake up America!!!!!!