Supreme Courts rules DOMA unconstitutional, Glenn reacts to historic decision

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The Supreme Court of the United States ruled on two historic cases Wednesday morning, striking down key portions of the Defense of Marriage Act and rejecting an appeal on California’s ban on gay marriage, Prop 8. Glenn supported the idea of getting government out of marriage entirely, but questioned the implications that the state can choose not to defend referendums passed by the people.

“Let’s get a couple of things right out on the table right out front. Government should not be involved in marriage at all, I believe. There’s no reason for it. I don’t get the value of my marriage government, I get it from God,” Glenn said.

“I want the government out of my life.”

“If you want to find a church that marries a gay couple, that’s totally fine,” he added. “My church does not do that and it will fundamentally change what i believe is the eternal family, the basic building block. And I have a right to believe that, and I have a right to go to a church that believes that and we have a right to practice. As long as I’m not trying to force you to do anything.”

Glenn said he does not believe that government necessarily believes with that.

Glenn said he also believes that the people have the right to pass laws. The Prop 8 decision seems to imply that the people can pass whatever they want, but if the state decides they are not going to defend those laws they have no jurisdiction to bring it to the Supreme Court.

“That means the courts and your representatives have complete power,” Glenn said.

  • Anonymous

    Who is going to break it to Beck no church is going to have to perform same sex marriages

  • Anonymous

    “I want the government out of my life.” Really Glenn  how come you are not standing with Woman who want the government out of there lives when it comes to there body 

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    The last line is crossed, the Federal government has achieved absolute and complete control and power over each person in the land; the Republic has died as of this day.

    Immorality and corruption have become acceptable, what is evil is the new good, and what is good, just, true and moral is seen to be evil, perverse, backwards and unholy. 

    May God have mercy on those who have betrayed this country and who have failed to take a stand against the darkness. The nation I grew up in has finally expired, and I no longer can tell what will come in the future: but I will continue to serve the Lord come what may, for He is my final bastion, and even if death comes, I will stand before him and say I have done my duty.

  • Joe Robinson

    oh GlenGlen Glen Glen Glen Glen

    if God was fine when we outlawed Biblical bigamy she’ll be fine with this, trust me.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Joe,

    Even though bigamy was practiced in the Old Testament and in some places even to this day, there is no where in the Bible where it is sanctioned or blessed by God.  Even Jesus reiterates that in the New Testament.  Therefore do not be ignorant in your postings.  Please read the Bible before you attribute to it rights given by God ie Bigamy.  Now, I am confient that no where in the Bible is same sex marriage condoned by God or promoted.

  • Anonymous

    I think you got something right, Glenn.  This decision is a step toward liberty because it removes unfair treatment regarding benefits.  It should go one step further and apply the same tax laws to all; single, gay and straight.  Perhaps we’ll get there.

  • Anonymous

    No church is going to have to perform Same Sex marriages. They can remain as homophobic as they choose to be

  • Anonymous

    I’m confused by your comment.  The Federal government has just decided to NOT CONTROL which couples get benefits.  That’s a step toward liberty.

  • landofaahs

    “Slouching toward Gomorrah”  And great will be the fall of it.   

  • landofaahs

    God allows the sin to ripen then comes judgment.  It will be interesting to see how he pours out his wrath.  It’s all in God’s plan to bring glory to himself.  Plus he will provide for his people.

  • landofaahs

    I’m waiting for San Francisco to crash into the ocean.

  • Anonymous

    Last Night in Texas Senator Wendy David stood and made a stand against against the darkness and she WON

  • Anonymous

    How do we go from a SCOTUS decision to God ?

  • landofaahs

    The Adam and Eve was the standard not Adams and Eves or Adam and Steve for that matter.  Though marriage is not a sacrament, it is instituted by God. 

  • Anonymous

    “Like the Mystics and Statistics say it will I bet this Motel will be standing till I pay my Bill” Warren Zevon “Desperadoes under the Eaves” Great Song as are all of Warren’s 

  • Anonymous

    Marriage is a civil contract nothing more nothing less– People don’t choose to be gay anymore than people choose to be straight

  • landofaahs

    Our church will never.  In fact, some of us would like a monthly sermon dedicated to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.  By the way, homophobic means you are scared of homos.  We are not.  There is a difference between fear and loathing.  Please don’t confuse the two like you confuse other things..

  • landofaahs

    They choose their behavior.  I never saw any baby born with a you know what up their you know what.

  • Anonymous

    Oh look, another self righteous bozo who wants to tell us all what God is thinking. Hey, what did old Jeebus have to say about Glenn Beck cheerleading mass murder in Iraq?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not even go to the Bible, just observe nature. Women have their reproductive organs to accomodate men’s organ to reproduce & so the human species continue to exists. If we all decided (because of choice) to practice same-sex marriage, then it’s the end of the humankind. Biology books states all living things reproduce, but same-sex marriage won’t be able to produce if given a million years. If they want some kind of union for benefits or legal claims, why not find a different term like legal partners, etc Just because of this Supreme Court decision, I predict a major catastrophe here in the USA before the year ends.

  • landofaahs

    Hang around and you’ll find out.

  • Anonymous

    So you all sit around and loathe homosexuals at your church? Nice god you got there, hate face

  • landofaahs

    I’m just reporting what he did in the past.  I think the mass murder in Iraq was being performed by Saddam Hussein.  But frankly I think we should let those people kill themselves as long as they leave us alone.  If they mess with us then deliver justice to them.

  • landofaahs

    2 Wives?  Just what I need.  2 people to tell me to take out the trash.

  • landofaahs

    Not according to God. But then with that attitude, it’s not difficult to understand why the divorce rate is soaring.

  • Wm Baker

    So now that Gay Marriage is recognized, when do they take up the polyamorous argument?  After all, marriage is no longer defined as between one man and one woman.  What is to stop one man and two women?  Or two men and a woman?  What about 3 men?  Why does it have to be between two people?

  • landofaahs

    No.  We feed poor people, spread the gospel of salvation for sin.  Every sin.  But one must first confess that sin.  There is a difference between love and lust.

  • Anonymous

    Insanity: all important life decisions; marriage, health care, ed.choices, etc decided by the SCOTUS 9 and calling this, ‘freedom.” 300,000,000 ruled by a privy council of 9!

  • landofaahs

    The correct solution is get rid of benefits.

  • Jeanie Griggs

    This makes me think really that all votes are pointless if they do not listen to the people. We do not work for them they work for us. Well we can see clearly they think it is the other way around. I am furious I was one who voted for prop 8 in California and my vote went out the window. They have a mighty God to answer to in the days ahead.

  • Joe Robinson

    well look who it is?
    another Cherry Picking Bible thumper.

    trying to push his religious beliefs on other American’s.  

    You might not agree with gay marriage then don’t get married to a gay person.

    If you want to live in a Theocracy, move to Iran.  
    I’ll be more than happy to help you pack.  

  • Jeff McCauley

    Freedoms are not absolute. When people exercise no conscious, no morals, and no responsibility, then Government must step in and legislate what the moronic masses cannot. Abortion is murder, period. Two men are not husband and wife, period. These are very black and white, yet people seem confused by something this simple. Are these laws a restriction on freedom? Perhaps, but they are restrictions on freedoms that never really existed in the first place. Total freedom is anarchy. Nobody seems in favor of anarchy, except possibly the extreme liberals, and their issue is that they are diametrically opposed to being out of control of other peoples’ business, thus killing their own desire for lawlessness. Government has no place in religious sacraments. In this, I agree with Beck. Marriage IS a sacrament, not a right. If the gays and animals want to go form some kind of church that believes in nothing, go for it. Have your own brand of “marriage”. Worship fresh vegetables, for all I care. But there are more than a billion Roman Catholics that have a very strict definition of what marriage IS and is NOT, so don’t be surprised when you suddenly find your gay selves in a situation where your marital status is unrecognized…despite whatever the Supreme Court or Congress might say.

  • landofaahs

    This will be good news for lawyers.  One of the largest law firms in the country based in NYC is laying off 80 lawyers.  They will have to have work so they will be ripping the money from the divorces of the gay couples.  Welcome to equality.

  • Quinn

    If you’re going to use that argument, you should probably do your research on observing nature. Sheep have been proven to exhibit homosexuality; some rams will not mate with females but will mate with other males. Strangely, the population of sheep seems just fine. Your argument is completely invalid.

  • Joe Robinson

    Now you know how we felt in Nov 2000.

  • landofaahs

    By the way, I was talking to Snow, mind your own business.

  • Anonymous

     bonabos will screw anything

  • Anonymous

    Joe,
    I am not criticizing your opinion but your incorrect assumptioons about the Bible supporting Bigamy.  That’s all.  Intelligence is not required to do a posting as you seem to imply by your words.

  • landofaahs

    That’s what wedding cake makers used to think.

  • landofaahs

    When the Red and Blue separate you’ll really be upset.

  • landofaahs

    I think that’s part of their goal aided by abortion.  Reduced population.  Of course not themselves, but the “other” people.  You are right about the coming crash.  Though it may take a little more time

  • landofaahs

    You can’t believe them lying sheep.

  • Anonymous

    I know this is not politically correct, however I believe it to be as near the
    truth as I can determine. I don’t believe there were any homosexuals in heaven,
    and I don’t believe that God sends homosexuals to earth as gay infants. I
    believe many babies grow up in a social climate that can encourage homosexual
    feelings, tendencies and attitudes over the course of many years which influence
    some children in their formative years, who then become homosexual by
    entertaining homosexual thoughts. As a man thinketh, so he becomes. We become
    what we think. I don’t put any blame on God whatsoever for any person who
    becomes a homosexual….God doesn’t make any mistakes. He is
    perfect!

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree with you March. I tell you do not be surprised if we see the hand of God  move on this nation in ways that will cause many to turn and repent. The whole goal here is not to reproduce and multiply it is to kill off human kind like Pharaoh did in the word of God by Killing off all the young baby boys. Here we go, that spirit rises again along with the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah.

  • landofaahs

    If you want communism move to Cuba.  If you want gay marriage move to hell.

  • Quinn

    You don’t understand what this argument is about at all. This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom, which means people have the right to choose whatever religion they want to believe in. However, religion has infiltrated law to a point where it cannot be tolerated. The DOMA was signed because of religious values pointing to marriage being defined as one man and one woman in the Bible. There are multiple examples in the Bible where this is not the case, but that’s not the point of this argument. Religion was getting in the way of the law, and more importantly, this law was causing discrimination on a group of people with no benefits given in the first place, and now those rights have been given. Just because the Bible says one thing does not mean everyone agrees with you. Hence why we have religious freedom in this country.

  • Anonymous

     Actually the divorce rate isn’t soaring. It’s gone down slightly over the last 10 years.

    Statistics here:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/marriage_divorce_tables.htm

    So I guess that means God approves of the country’s increasing comfort with same-sex marriage?

  • Joshua Grant

    You must be new to this whole “forums on the internet” thing. There is no “mind your own business” on a forum. If you post something, anybody else can respond. 

    In response to your random barrage of religious statements up there, why are some of you fundamentalists so obsessed with God’s wrath? Sometimes I think you guys just speak without even taking a second to consider what you’re saying. If, and I do mean a big IF, God is really so wrathful towards sinners (this would imply that all sin is not equal, even though the Bible suggests otherwise,) why do you choose to focus on that? Why not focus on the whole “God is love” side of things, and leave God’s judgment to God?

    Either way, this is not the place to preach God’s love, wrath, loving wrath, wrathful love or whatever terminology you’re pulling out of your hat. As Glenn already suggested in his response to this ruling, religion and government should be kept separate. This doesn’t mean shunning God or Christianity (as some on both sides would think,) but that the government shouldn’t make rulings based on what the Bible belt preaches as right or wrong.

    Also, @critten:disqus 
    if you want to make a point, try using less hyperbole. When you say nonsense like “Glenn Beck cheerleading mass murder in Iraq” you make it sound like you have an axe to grind. Maybe in your misguided, ipso-facto style of logic it’s as simple as putting two and two together, but supporting the war in Iraq isn’t the same as supporting murdering civilians, just like supporting the troops isn’t the same as supporting the war.

    Unless of course you have an actual source of Glenn saying he thinks civilian casualties is awesome.

  • Anonymous

     What do you mean now I know what you feel Joe?

  • Quinn

    So Britney Spears can get married for 55 hours, for fun, and that’s not destroying the sacrament of marriage? You have got to be kidding me.

  • Anonymous

    “The Prop 8 decision
    seems to imply that the people can pass whatever they want, but if the state
    decides they are not going to defend those laws they have no jurisdiction to
    bring it to the Supreme Court.”

    So
    any state government can decide NOT to defend ANY state law as of now? Isn’t
    that what they are saying? Wouldn’t that be a broad interpretation of that ruling?
    Isn’t this what the federal government is already doing with, for example,
    immigration laws?

  • Anonymous

    The constitution is based on biblical law. Are you calling for a new constitution?

  • Anonymous

     So what are you both trying to imply here?

  • landofaahs

    America is ripe for picking like much ripened “fruit”.

  • americanathlete

    May the end get here soon! Jesus Christ needs to come to avenge the wrongs that have been done not only in this country but around the world.

  • landofaahs

    The Supreme Court thinks it’s God but God really is God.  Now does it register?  Duh!

  • Anonymous

    The Supreme Court has a bunch of liberal cowards holding court.

  • landofaahs

    I guess you were born that way; Retarded I mean.

  • Joshua Grant

    It’s not the old testament anymore. You know how we as Christians talk of Jesus saving us of our sins? That whole crucifixion thing went down as an alternative to God punishing everybody whenever they did something He doesn’t approve of. 

    So can we please stop referencing the old testament every time the gays have something to feel happy about? This Falwell-esque attitude is toxic and needless, and it’s not going to make anybody “turn and repent.”

    Read Luke Chapter 13, all of it. There are quite a few verses in there that apply to you and your ilk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ncreekmore2 Nancy Creekmore

    But Glenn, “they” are trying to force us to agree with them.  They are leaving God out of everything!!  Why can’t folks just leave us alone!!!  I have been “MARRIED” to my husband for 29yrs!!  The definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, God’s words not man’s words. God is the same as he has always been.  People are the ones who change and not necessarily for the best of reasons!!  Society continuely wants to change what God’s plan was and is for us!!  What “THEY” don’t understand is if they don’t seek the truth, they will NEVER find their way!!!

  • NYCjag

    Maybe this is gods plan… he did let it happen after all. Also why harp so strongly on this one issue alone? There’s tons of stuff in the bible (figs,shrimp) that we’re told quite strongly not to take part of, it just seems like we only care about a handful of them. If this whole thing can help orphaned children into loving homes, loved ones into hospital rooms, can’t us non-homosexuals just chill out on the whole thing?
     
    Also cut all the gods wrath is really gonna come THIS TIME baloney out. Things happen in this world… Good, Bad and in between. I highly doubt anything you, I or the government do is even remotely significant enough “upset” or “anger” a being that created everything.I know i’m not gonna make anyone feel better. But i just wanna say ”Everythings gonna be ok.” The world has not ended. God isn’t angry. Just breathe and try to love one another.

  • VL123

    Marriage is dead now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.nichols.528 John Nichols

    Go back to West Borough please….

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.nichols.528 John Nichols

    I respect Glenn Beck for that!

  • Anonymous

    God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural
    relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned
    natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one
    another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
    themselves the due penalty for their perversion (Rom 1:26-27).

  • Anonymous

    If he pours out his wrath maybe then we can ask him about Why he made so many people gay. While we are at it we can also ask about Tornados, Hurricanes, Starving Children and other things

  • Anonymous

    Marriage is not dead it’s just included lots more people

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t listened to the entire clip above yet, but just the first few minutes are so infuriating that I have to raise one issue. I’m curious to see what you all think.

    At the beginning of the discussion in the clip, Beck’s sidekick says with incredulity “I don’t think any of us want to deny homosexual couples the same benefits everyone else gets!” (rough paraphrase) All three of them seem baffled by the very idea.

    Now I don’t know if they are being disingenuous, or if they are just mind-bogglingly ignorant of the actual facts of the way homosexuals have been treated in this county up until recently. If Beck et al are of a more libertararian-ish, live-and-let-live mindset, that’s great, good for them. But can they possibly be so uninformed about what the right-wing in this country wants, to blithely say “nobody wants to deny gay couples benefits”?

    Forget benefits — it wasn’t that long ago that right-wingers were all upset about the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence V. Texas, where people like Antonin Scalia wanted to give the State free rein to bust into people’s homes to arrest them for doing what people do in their bedrooms! I don’t know what Glenn Beck’s reaction to Lawrence V Texas was. If he opposed that anti-sodomy law, then great. But vast swaths of the right wing were horrified that the Texas law was struck down. And if Glenn Beck and his flunkies act like they don’t know that, they are either wilfully ignorant, shockingly uninformed — or they are lying. 

  • Quinn

    Are you that incredibly ignorant? It is NOT based on the Bible. At. All. What, so murder is wrong? Clearly that had to come from the Bible, as any logical person wouldn’t know otherwise not to kill someone.

  • Anonymous

    NyCjag The Lord gave us stewardship  as Christians over our nation to walk in Holiness and righteousness and to speak out as a voice in the earth for Him. We the church have been lazy, and have put our heads in the sand and allowed what has come to our nation. I am not saying all Christian are like this but ones who truly do not know the word and are luke warm. We need to make a stand and be a voice. Jesus was angry and turned over the tables in the temple. Why? Because they were prostituting in His house and changing money for it. We as believers have a right to be upset at what is taking place in our own nation/house. We have an active part if we do not do our part through obedience in Christ then we will be held accountable. I would encourage you to read you Bible and get to know the one in whom you serve. He is a just God. He is a God of Love but also of discipline and correction and rebuke because He loves us. I can assure you we are not just upset about this, but about all that is going on in our nation that is immoral and unpure..It is time we stand up and be heard. God created us to to be a voice and so there for we shall.

  • Mark P.

    So SAD  and True :(

  • Anonymous

    Well, if you look at nature you’ll see homosexual behaviors have been identified in around 1500 animal species…
    while homophobia has been identified in only one. 
    So it’s pretty easy to see which is actually “unnatural.”

    Then again you guys aren’t big fans of science—we’ve seen that in other issues such as global warming and evolution— so perhaps science isn’t the best way to convince you folk.

    “I predict a major catastrophe here in the USA before the year ends.”
    Has there EVER been a year in which we didn’t have a major catastrophe? Bad things happen, sweetie. They just do. Not only every year but every month…every day…every hour! There’s going to be hurricanes or plane crashes or terrorist attacks—there ALWAYS is. But we don’t have to chalk these bad things up to some mythical being in the sky being mad at us. We’re not cavemen! 

  • Quinn

    Typical ignorant argument. Look, you’re totally missing the point. It’s not about morals and it’s not about incorruptibility. It’s about religion sticking its place in somewhere it doesn’t belong. The fact of the matter is, DOMA was passed to discriminate against homosexual couples for religious purposes. That does not represent a separation of church and state. Too long has the church tried to restrain the state from instituting marriage for all because of religious principles. You are simply sore because now that separation has been obtained.

  • Quinn

    If he made no mistakes, there would be no homosexuality anywhere on the planet..wait, what’s that you say? There’s animals who exhibit homosexual behavior? No way! Growing up on a farm, we had cows, and two females often mounted when they were in heat. If you look to nature, you’ll see countless other animals that have been documented gettin’ gay. If your God does exist, then clearly, he allowed for homosexuality to occur. It’s not the product of social climate.

  • Anonymous

    I take it you are gay since you are making these remarks. Look we do not hate gay people in fact we love them.I for one hate the sin. God did not make gay people that way, it is a cope out. He is perfect and we are created in His image. The Hurricanes and other things you imply because when a nation opens itself up to sin there is consequences for sin and well our nation has allowed sin in so now the protection of the Lord thy God has lifted. Just watch and see what will come in the days ahead. If you read the Bible at all you know that when ever a nation opened itself up to sin the Lord dealt with the whole nation.

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    if you want to make a point, try using less hyperbole. When you say
    nonsense like “Glenn Beck cheerleading mass murder in Iraq” you make it
    sound like you have an axe to grind. Maybe in your misguided, ipso-facto
    style of logic it’s as simple as putting two and two together, but
    supporting the war in Iraq isn’t the same as supporting murdering
    civilians, just like supporting the troops isn’t the same as supporting
    the war.

  • Anonymous

    The Gov. has decided that they, the govt, are not going to be involved in marriage….That is good. The gov’t out of the other side of it’s mouth then said they will no longer uphold laws passed by the people (Publicly voted on referendums/propositions) in this case, prop 8. The people of California as a group passed Prop 8, not the state of California Govt. That is the distinction. A president has now been set that the Govt can pick and choose what it wants to follow (asserting total power over the population) and we the people do not hvae any recorse (The US Supreme court will not tell the state they must do as the people dictate)

    You have to look at this beyond the topic of gay marriage, which i agree, should never have been a Gov’t conversation. This has everything to do with the Court blatently stating that the majority no longer rule in this country. The sheep are to stupid to know what is best for them…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000252552707 Maryam Syed

    Can’t wait. ^___^

  • Anonymous

    You have a very strange view of God…
    You say he plans to bring glory to himself…and that he pours wrath on those he feels disappointed him….

    Is he really that much of a diva? Is God…Diana Ross?

  • Anonymous

    Joushua  He is the same today as He was yesterday. If you read your new testament He says do not sin and keep they commandments. He talks about the consequences of sin and sexual sin. I think you need to read the new testament my friend it lines up with the old. Everyone uses the resurrection of the cross as an excuse to sin. He also says, He chastises those he loves and rebukes them. I am not saying He does not love us. He says,” Sin separates us from Him. all in the New testament He even talks about Sodom and Gomorrah in the new testament. There are prophesies in the old testament that are end time prophesies. So do not throw the old book the out with the bath water my friends.

  • Taylor Mary Bugglin

  • Anonymous

     What is sad here in this convo is that you edtoohey truly do not know the Lord Jesus. He died a horrible death for your sins if you would receive Him into your heart.

  • Kanak Attack

    The state shouldn’t be instituting marriage at all.  That’s the argument here.  Your viewpoint is merely anti-religion NOT pro-freedom.

  • landofaahs

    Think of it this way Snow.  When life throws you lemons, make lemonade.  If a man and a woman are married and one of them dies, the survivor can marry his or her children and leave all their wealth to the kids when they die without inheritance tax.  This does have some good side.

  • Quinn

    It’s both. Religion is persecuting freedom. Anti-religion and pro-freedom in one simple sentence.

  • Prydus1969

    The Supreme Court SHOULD NOT be involved in the Prop. 8 decision – it is
    a States Rights Issue.  If the people of California would stop electing
    liberals to the offices, and stop retaining those Supreme Court
    Justices in the state of California who violate the rights and voted
    decisions of the people then these kinds of things would not happen. 
    The people have the choice all the way around.  Their Prop. 8 rejection
    from the State is a product of their own elections.  Get the liberals
    who fought them on this out of office – get the justices out of the
    courts who ruled against them on this – and they can have a sound
    government again – by the people of the people and for the people. 

  • peatspin

    So you want the government to legislate morality? What account of morality is the government legislating on? Are they Kantians? Consequentialists? Nihilists? It sounds like you’re own sensibilities have been offended by this decision and you want the government to do something about it.

    What about a moral argument that points to all the pointless deaths that guns have caused? Surely pointless deaths are morally bad. The government ought to do something about that which is morally bad when the ‘moronic masses cannot’. Therefore the government ought to regulate guns. Would you be in favor of the government stepping in here? My guess is that you want your guns as much as you want your bible. Marriage is not a sacrament, it’s a social construct that existed long before biblical times (both old testament and new). 

    Finally, the catholic church can’t keep its own priests from diddling little kids, I highly doubt they’re autonomous enough to overthrow/strike down/or do anything meaningful about the decisions made today. 

  • Anonymous

    One should read the entire opinion of the Court and the two dissents and not just follow the talking heads.

    A substantial portion of Scalia’s and Alito’s dissents focus on the “advisory opinion” nature of the court’s decision–with the Obama Administration arguing that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals Decision be affirmed, Scalia asked, where is the “case and controversy”? He suggests the Court should have not taken the case in the first place. Good point. The Obama administration “created” a controversy by stating it was otherwise enforcing the law and had not paid the plaintiff the refund.  Scalia says this kills the case or controversy requirement of Article III of the Constituion. Justice Kennedy picked some weak precedential distinction to overcome that requirement. So the Obama administration got lucky and picked the right strategy–going to the Court, rather than seek to have Congress repeal DOMA.

    But there is little doubt that DOMA was unconstitutional–it denied rights to a person who a State legislature determined was legally married. For Scalia and the dissenters, huge advocates of states rights, that is an argument difficult to overcome.
     

  • fire lion

    ahahahah all your dark mormon  money was wasted. 

  • Nanette

    Actually the government died along time ago with abortion being one of them..they are not interpreting the law but making “laws”……Am so sad to say this..so many Christians have become apostate and we are the ones that hold back evil  apathy both secular and Christians:  the day when the cup of iniquity is full..God will pour out his judgement on this Nation!
    2 Chronicles 7:14  
    If my people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray
    and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from
    heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, mine was instituted by Texas, says so on the license. Both you and him can butt the fuk out

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    As did the deeds of Sodom and Gomorrah before the final bake out?

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    No, death won. Every one else lost.

  • Taylor Mary Bugglin

    I would love to see the government out of marriage entirely as well. It is not something that it should control. But, unfortunately, it is currently a government institution, and with it comes certain benefits, so we have to make due with it as such. And, in 99% of cases, I believe that States’ rights should be respected way more than they are. This, however, is the 1%. I believe that, if there is one thing that the federal government should try to break the rules for, it is Civil Rights.

    To quote the Declaration of Independence:”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”"all men are created equal”–that includes LGBT.”they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”–Love is part of happiness (or it should be), and they have the right to pursue happiness by pursuing union and equal benefits with their partners as straight men and women. ”That whenever any Form of Government become destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.”–An outright ban of gay marriage is destructive of these ends–Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.Civil Rights of African-Americans were, from the very beginning, also fought along the “States’ rights” lines. It was the right of the States to decide if they would allow slavery. And Lincoln, an early Republican, went against these rights on the grounds that slavery went against people’s inalienable rights. Then came Jim Crow, and it was a States’ rights battle, and eventually it was lost on the grounds that discrimination broke these inalienable rights. And I believe that gay marriage is an issue of civil rights as well and that because of that, it is an exception. States’ rights take precedence over federal law unless explicitly stated in the Constitution, but inalienable rights take precedence over States’ rights.

  • Anonymous

    Animals don’t live by law. And, when I speak of law I’m referring to God’s law which is supreme to the various laws of man-made governments around the world.

    All animals as well as humans are subjected to the effects of hormones. When these hormonal effects are properly used, we are blessed with beautiful children. Man is to keep his appetites, passions and desires within the bounds of God’s laws. 

    Additionally, unlike animals, only mankind is given the light of Christ which gives all men the capacity to know right from wrong; a conscience, which the more times it is ignored, it becomes dulled over time until man loses his way, and with it the capacity to be able to judge right from wrong. 

  • Anonymous

     You don’t need to worry, seriously. Nobody is trying to force you to agree with same-sex marriage. Nobody cares if your church refuses to perform same-sex weddings, or to recognize same-sex marriages as legitimate. Your 29-year marriage (congratulations on that) will still be the same marriage it always was. Nobody wants to change your God’s plan — but your God is not everyone else’s God, and the laws of our society are not determined by whatever one particular religious group happens to see as their God’s plan. So continue to believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, if you like, you have every right to do so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/diane.sato.kodelja Diane Schwartz Sato Kodelja

    “Retarded” is a compliment…if you are the parent of a child with special needs, like I am, you won’t equate this person or anyone else with the happiest, most delightful person everyone who’s come into contact with my daughter says she is. You’d agree, I’m sure, if you spent more than 5 minutes with her, even if you want to say I feel that way ’cause I’m her Mom right now.
    Don’t knock your credibility down a few notches and insult yourself by trying to do that to somebody else with “retarded”.
    Find a word that is appropriate, works, and gives you the intelligence and class you want to make a point with. You can do it.

  • Anonymous

     Nicely said.

  • landofaahs

    He did not make them gay.  That is lying crap you make up to justify your behavior.  God has called it evil behavior and he will not make you to be evil.  Evil is a choice all humans are born and conceived in and then when born, choose to do.  God does not make people born to beat up people or rob banks or be drunks or drug addicts.  We choose those paths.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.holland.5667 Joe Holland
  • luke orem

    I wholeheartedly agree with everything Glenn is saying here.

  • http://www.MysticKnotwork.com/ Matt Beaudoin

    The fact that either side of this case needed to appear in a court of
    law indicates a failure of our political system to stay out of matters
    that are of such a deeply personal nature that only the people in the
    relationship should define their love.

    The legal construct of marriage is simply a way to create loopholes and legal distinctions in the tax code.  The spiritual construct of marriage expresses love within the dictates of personal relationship between lovers and their guiding deity.   It is a sad country that lets the government inject itself in a religious sacrament in any form.  If we could downsize and streamline our tax code, the need to identify participants in this religious sacrament would be gone.  I favor a flat tax, no marriage penalty/benefit, and a free First Amendment that allows religions to unify people within the dictates of their doctrine and the social norms wherein.  It is not my place, nor by extension my representation’s job to interfere with decisions that neither threaten me nor attempt to take my rightfully gained possessions.

  • landofaahs

    About the tornadoes etc. God allows evil to test us at times as in the story of Job.  Starving children are a test for us as individuals.  What do you do for starving children?  All these calamities are the result of sin entering the world through Adam.  As all sin, all die.  If you were really concerned, you’d read the Bible and then you would know these things instead of having to make an ass of yourself with your ignorant assumptions.

  • Greg White

    Published on Mar 27, 2013
    “Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change and it should change, and again I don’t think it should exist.”

    Russian journalist Masha Gessen speaks openly about eradicating marriagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJrmBocx0o4

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htXuNPBko3Q Sam Fisher

    I would be for this if it protect the other side from getting sued but this ruling don’t.

  • Anonymous

    I assume you are straight did you choose to be that way ? I did choose to be straight neither did I choose to enjoy taking consensual adult woman over my knee pulling down there pants and spanking them that was in my head as far back as I can remember they I found that there are woman that enjoy being spanked. It’s who we are same for gay and lesbians they did not choose to be gay or lesbian it’s who there are. And to deny them equal rights because of a Religious believe is nuts. There are Christian Churches that welcome and celebrate gay and lesbians 

  • http://www.facebook.com/juliano.michael Michael Juliano

    You are mixing your religion and our state. The Federal Government has not exerted any new control by this ruling whatsoever. The court did not rule that homosexual marriage is now acceptable and good or that heterosexual marriage is perverse and backwards. It ruled that specific measures of a specific federal law are illegal according to the Constitution, which was correct regardless of what you perceive as the moral implications.

    You are gravely mistaken if you think that a moral battle can ever be fought in a courtroom. Morality is generally the domain of religion, and the Federal Government is expressly forbidden from interfering in religion. What you seem to fail to realize is that there are religions that accept homosexuals. Right or wrong, they are protected from interference by the Constitution. It is their right not to be told what they can and can’t do by other religions via the government as much as it is your right not to be told what you can and can’t do by other religions via the government.

    If a day ever comes where the government attempts to force your church to host homosexual marriage ceremonies, I will stand with you and fight against such interference. But until that day comes, your adherence to your own religion is all you need to be right in the eyes of your God. Collective salvation is a progressive lie.

  • Anonymous

    Death Won ? No Life won because woman still can get breast screenings , Papt Test at clincs that would have been closed

  • Anonymous

    Sodom and Gomorrah sounds like it was a cool place  that would make Las Vegas seem like Disneyland 

  • landofaahs

    Retarded means that the object resists.  Fire retardant means it resists fire.  Mentally retarded means the mind resists knowledge.  It is an accurate term even though it may be hurtful.  But I had a nephew who had cerebral palsy and he was a great joy to all of us because he could get the most fun out of a simple balloon or classical music.  When someone has cancer, that cannot be made easier by saying they have runaway cell growth because it describes the same condition.  You’re not angry with the word or upset with its use, but the condition.  That will not change with different words.  I’m sure your daughter is a joy and usually retarded children are the most loving and forgiving of God’s children  I’m sorry words can hurt you but censorship is not good.  God Bless you and your daughter.

  • landofaahs

    No he’s not Diana Ross and it would probably surpise a retard like you to find out he ain’t Obama neither.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565659760 Ed Feraco

    Apparently the idiot does not get it!  Religion is not being forced to marry anyone!  Get over it already!

  • http://www.facebook.com/paula.w.arsenault Paula Williams Arsenault

    Calif. doesnt recognize “common law” FYI

  • Troy Raney

    Good news the last couple of days for the people of this country. 
    First, the filibuster was successful in Texas and abortion rights for
    women were upheld.  Now today, the rights of gay citizens were upheld. 
    GOP still has work to do with voter’s rights and it will be interesting
    to see how much the GOP as changed since 2006.

    And by the way, the bible is not the Constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/taylort13 Taylor Thornton

    My disagreement with Glenn is that the Majority is not always right. If 51% of americans voted to raise taxes on all white americans (like I’m sure many democrats would like to do) does that make it right? No. Therefore there are processses in line to prevent government or referendum from passing laws like that.

  • htaleca

    No it’s not, but it is right and we are wrong. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/abidan.ramirez Abidan Ramirez

    So…that’s how evil is prevailing, thru raised people who are against the laws that founded this country. We’ll see soon… they want absolute control for their benefit by slowly and steady gaining more terrain and power over the entire country. And as for the rest of us, it has become absolutely clear that we fear them under the the reasoning of possible discrimination. They have more influence in politics than ever before, changing the laws sooner and so we can’t oppose them.

  • htaleca

    He didn’t make them gay. It’s the lust of the flesh that made them that way. If you would study for yourself you would learn a lot about what it is in the Bible. Leviticus 18. Romans 1:24-27 says it all. It’s not natural and it’s an abomination in the sight of God. People justify it. As for as the other things that happen it’s because of the wickedness in this world. God tries to get our attention and wants us to repent. His mercy is long suffering or we would all be gone right now. What God creates is good, we are the ones that pervert it. He rains on the just and the unjust  to try and save us.  

  • rae palmer

    Apparently you are under the mistaken assumption that Planned Parenthood does pap tests and mammograms.  They do not, call every PP in the state and every one will refer you somewhere else.  #2, Wendy David just did a huge disservice for women.  The reason all but 5 abortion clinics would be closed if that law was passed is because none of them comply with the same basic sanitary conditions that a tatoo place or health clinic has to comply with.  Google “died from abortion” or “life threatening abortion” and you will be shocked at how many women either die or are hospitalized from botched abortions.  Putting aside beliefs about the life of the baby, women deserve to have sanitary health care, not to be given STD’s by unsanitized instruments (as Gosnell did to MANY women), and to be cared for by an actual doctor, not a 20 year old receptionist.  

  • htaleca

    It is a choice and it’s called perversion. It’s called the lust(lewd desire) of the flesh. God did not make them that way. He says it’s NOT NATURAL! The churches that welcome it or condone it is 100% wrong. They don’t know who God. Because it’s sin and the wages of sin is death. God has no part nor ever has.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Braeden-Hyde/1318753184 Braeden Hyde

    No, the government has just decided it doesn’t have to listen to laws passed by the people.  That is a step toward Slavery, not liberty

  • Anonymous

    God’s heart is and never was in judgment. Mercy triumphs over judgment. God sent His son Jesus Christ to take upon himself the WHOLE WORLD’S judgment.God reaps the more glory from showing us undeserved, unmerited favor than he does from judgment. It’s all right there in the new testament, my friend!

  • htaleca

    How disrespectful can you get. You’ll sing a different tune one day, then what? It will be to late. The proper way to say it is Jesus. Have some respect for the one who created you.

  • Anonymous

    The benefit you suggest getting rid of is paying less taxes. Why would you want to get rid of that?

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Finally Obama can marry his true love.

    Oops! That would be himself. Reggie can be best man.

  • Anonymous

    Opinion of the Court in United States v. Windsor, pg, 20: “DOMA seeks to injure the very class New York seeks to protect. By doing so it violates basic due process and equal protection principles applicable to the federal government.”  Glenn said there is nothing to prevent the federal government from having to recognize polygamy if someone came over from Saudi Arabia.  Polygamy is illegal in every state and therefore the federal government does not have to recognize it.  The federal government only has to recognize a marriage of a couple, who lives in a state, that recognizes their marriage.

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Are you some sort of AFLAC duck or something? Everything is ok as long as you can get the insurance.

    Swell, everything is all better now – Landree can get the insurance.

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    They call it a marriage license for a reason. Marriage isn’t a right. It’s a license. 
    Maybe I should have argued the case.

  • Anonymous

    No. He is telling us what God is saying according to the scriptures.

  • Anonymous

    What is with all the tracking and boom shots on Blaze TV?  It looks like it was shot on a ship at sea. It’s like they spent the money on the gear and have to justify it.  It’s as unnwatchable as a Jason Borne Shaky Cam.

  • Anonymous

    This is a good a place as any to preach of God’s love. I guess you keep forgetting that the Constitution is based on Judeao-Christian values and the Bible. You’re not shutting us up.

  • Anonymous

    Are you?

  • Joshua Grant

    No, it really isn’t, but hey, if you want to preach God’s love, go right ahead. What you’re doing isn’t preaching his love, but preaching wrath and hatred. That’s kind of what I was on about originally. Preach love instead of eternal damnation.

    Also, the constitution was not based on Judeao-Christian values, nor was it based exclusively on the Bible. That is a myth that fundamentalists won’t shut up about, except they never provide any proof (and no “THE BIBLE IS MY PROOF” isn’t gonna cut it.) “Blah blah blah ten commandments,” the only commandment adapted was “THOU SHALT NOT KILL,” and that’s such a no-brainer it doesn’t even count (numerous non-Christian societies make murder illegal.) 

    And even if it was based on the Bible, why are we choosing to uphold “don’t lay with another man as if he were a woman” over the numerous other things in the Bible we don’t uphold? Like eating shellfish or, in your case, hating everybody.

  • Anonymous

    God knows that man is inherently evil by nature because of the sin of Adam. At one point he told Noah that he was sorry that he ever created man. By free will man chooses to sin.

  • Anonymous

    God is our creator and no one is above Him.

  • Joshua Grant

    And before you respond condemning me: I’m a Christian (gasp!) and also a Republican (double gasp!) I just really resent how you people have near-total control over the public’s outlook of both my religion and my political party. Our government is basically at a stand-still (with the Democrats slowly winning) because we’re too busy making a big deal over trivial crap like banning gay marriage to please our angry, vengeful, old-testament God rather than focusing on important issues (and no, putting Joker makeup on Obama’s face and calling him a Socialist isn’t what I’d consider “important issues,” either.)

    You know something, for Christians, you people sure do like to ignore both the New Testament and Christ’s teachings. The Jewish faith also ignores both of those things, and yet Jews are generally nicer and more accepting. What happened?

    Stop giving Christians/Conservatives a bad name, you horrible, horrible people.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what insurance you’re writing about. Federal benefits for married people are in the form of reduced taxes. I argue, as Beck does, that everyone, single, married, gay or straight should be taxed the same.

  • Nicole Elaine Gschwind

    “all the way back to our president’s father”  …
    Glenn Beck laughs…

    Thin ice beck.. thin ice.

  • Anonymous

    I bet Muslims and illegals won’t have to be subject to the decision, because the libs fear the former and need the votes of the latter.

  • mudslide

    Glad I don’t have to judge these freaks of nature – I’d never get any sleep.
    But, SOMEONE will judge them… fo sho.

  • Anonymous

    Not exactly. As I understand the issue in California, the state Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage, then later Prop 8 was passed. Gay couples then properly brought their case to the Federal level as a matter of constitutionality, where the STATE decided to NOT defend the law. The Fed allowed proponents of the law to appeal, but they had no case because legally they have to show that they are personally harmed, which they’re not. This is not the Fed strong arming the state. Constitutional issues are supposed to be heard at Federal court.

  • Anonymous

    Congradultions America, the Supreme Court,  lawmakers and politicians, you have just told the American people, especially our children, gandchildren, etc. that man makes the laws for America and they do not have to abide by the laws of GOD. I guess we are no longer a christian country, one nation under GOD. May God forgive you.

  • Anonymous

    Propositions passed by states must be constitutional, which is the basis for the case properly being heard in Federal Court. The state decided not to defend the law. Proponents are not qualified to defend the law since they’re not personally harmed by the law being struck down.

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Glad to see you could be in favor of the Fair Tax. 

    Meanwhile, taxation rules are no reason to allow people of the same sex to get married.

  • Anonymous

    This is just another step FOREWARD how long until the identification numbers come out for this slap to GOD’S FACE !
    When Obidon’tcare kicks in there are special no. given for doctors to put on you (wife is a nurse) all no. lead to one place IRS and checked through S.S and DHS

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    It wasn’t the state that ‘decided’ not to defend the law. It was the president of the US, in contradiction to his sworn oath which is to enforce all the laws of the US. 

  • Anonymous

    So where is your proof? I don’t hate anyone. Never said I did. The truth is like a silver cross in front of a vampires eyes to you. ts like a bad allergy that just wont go away. Just know what I’ve read in the scriptures. You just can’t get it out of your mind that there is a God and not willing to acknowledge he exists.

  • Anonymous

    What was ever wrong with civil unions?  Why have a push to call it all “marriage”?
    It was to change the language.

  • Joshua Grant

    My proof of what? And I already told you I’m a Christian, so I do believe in God. I just don’t believe He’s the hateful S.O.B you make Him out to sound like. And, like the other hatemongers out there, you talk of the “truth” without actually providing any evidence of it. Just that the Bible says this is wicked and everybody is going to be punished because a few gays can get the same benefits as straight married couples. 

    Your truth and evidence is you hand-picking individual Bible verses and molding and corrupting them to back your personal, hate-filled opinions. Hey, you know what, I remember reading about another guy who did the same thing when a certain Son of God we know and love (well at least I do. People like you prefer to act like He doesn’t exist unless it’s convenient for your own, twisted views) was starving in the desert. What was his name? Oh I don’t know, (queue Church Lady voice) could it be SATAN?!?I don’t even know you but I can tell you’re an insufferable piece of garbage. Not because you’re against gay marriage – I completely support and understand your opinion (I, personally, believe God originally intended marriage as a one-man-one-woman thing… even though most of God’s followers documented in the old testament had multiple wives. Oh wait, doesn’t that ruin the sanctity of marriage, too?) What makes you and your ilk such terrible people is this insistence on making EVERYBODY ELSE feel like crap because they don’t subscribe to your holier-than-thou viewpoints. And it doesn’t even come down to saying “This is wrong.” Ohhh no, you have to say our entire country will be punished because of it. That’s REAL nice.

    Go back to whatever funeral you and your church are picketing this month. You make me sick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sara-Johansen/1231561660 Sara Johansen

    changing and making laws from the bench by UNELECTED MEN IN BLACK ROBES is VERY disturbing…..to say the least.     With this ruling we are on a path of destruction and those of us familiar with what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah know the consequences that we are headed for…..

  • Joshua Grant

    @landofaahs:disqus  Actually, “retardant” and “retarded” are two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WORDS. “Retarded” means “Less advanced, esp. mentally, than is usual for one’s age.” Incidentally, that also describes the kind of person who can’t be bothered looking a word up on Google for five seconds.
    Something tells me you can’t be bothered actually looking things up in the Bible, either.

  • Anonymous

      God’s punishment shall be upon us for allowing Sodemites to have their day!  It will not be long before the Gay Nazis will start coming after our churches and organized religion in an effort to push their sinful agenda upon the rest of us and Obama and his appointees who will remain after he is gone will only be to glad to help try to Destroy God’s Churches!!!  They will attack the Catholic church first!!!  They will try to claim that their “equal protection” rights outweigh our 1st Amendment right to practice our religion the way we see fit all because the Church will not allow homosexual marriages to take place within the Church!  The tax exemp status of al lchurches will be used as the hammer to intimidate all faiths!!!! 

  • Joshua Grant

    Nah. I’m pretty sure God’s much cooler than that. Unfortunately, the vocal minority among the Christian community (and I sincerely hope it’s just a minority, otherwise I’m doomed,) thinks God is all above love, but only for people who agree with the Church’s misguided opinions.

    Christ came to earth to save everybody and, in the process, he totally put religious leaders in their place back then. They weren’t too happy about that, and it ultimately led to Christ’s crucifixion.

    Something tells me if Christ came to earth today, instead, it’d be the Christians who crucify him. The “Christians” you see on this forum hate Christ. That’s why they’ll quote the old testament until they’re blue in the face, but steer clear of any of the loving, forgiving words of Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    I believe the punishment began in January 2009.

  • Anonymous

    Hue? California state officials refused to defend the Prop 8, which is why its proponents stepped in.

  • Anonymous

    So you think the Federal government should dictate cultural, personal and religious rules? That sounds fundamentalist.

  • Anonymous

    Prop 8 is discrimination against the liberties of a group of people, like segregation in the past: legal because the majority of people in the South wanted it.  However, the people passing a law does not mean it’s constitutional / respects a human’s inalienable rights.  One of the few constitutional roles of government is to protect the minority from mob rule, so in this instance, the government is actually doing its job (as much as it irks me to ever agree with the government).

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, you didn’t go far enough in your analysis by limiting it to polygamy.  What about a brother marrying a brother?  Or, in a state fobidding marriage between cousins, are gay cousins now allowed to marry?  Once they have gone through all of the intraspecies mutations (including the push for the “sexual rights of children”), then why can’t someone marry their dog or sheep or . . .

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Oh now you’ve made a religious attack. Are you proud of yourself for your bigotry?

    BTW, I’m not a fundamentalist nor do I make fundamentalist arguments, so not only are you bigoted, you’re wrong. Nothing I said is in any way religiously based. But since you are out arguments that have validity, you’ve stopped to the smear. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.bozonie Elizabeth Bozonie

    As you might know already, the 5013C Tax Exempt Status for churches allows the government to dictate what is even preached in the pulpit.  Hitler himself eroded the freedoms in Germany churches by this legality.

  • Mike Nelson

    There is no question that tax breaks given to married persons are indeed *benefits* to those persons, and your position would be stronger if you accepted that fact rather than nitpicking definitions and word usage.

    Taxation should neither be a used as a prod, nor offered as an escape from equal treatment under law, though I believe that encouraging marriage is a socially responsible position.

    The benefits you name are private matters between employers and employees, and originated as a result of the extremely high taxes of the post-WWII era, since higher pay only meant paying more taxes, while benefits were not taxed as wages.

  • Anonymous

     Hmmm .. my (heterosexual) marriage of 20 years is doing just fine, thank you. In fact I’m delighted that we are one step closer to allowing everybody to share in the legal recognitions that I enjoy.

    The strength of my marriage is not reliant on the exclusion of others. Is yours?

  • Mike Nelson

    Homophobia is identified in only one because only one cares so much about gay sex as to make a federal case out of a non-issue and demonize people who gays loudly proclaim “don’t matter.”

    It’s also silly how you cite global warming as a good reason to bash others’ beliefs as lacking scientific validity ;)

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Some people complain about the marriage penalty in our tax system. Depending on the brackets one falls into it can occur in some cases at least.

    When someone mentions benefits, taxes aren’t what come to mind. We talk about equal tax treatment, not equal tax benefits. My reply was to someone who asked about benefits. 

    The Fair Tax would give everyone equal treatment whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. So, there is no need to allow same sex marriage simply to grant equal tax treatment.

    The Fair Tax would have the tremendous benefit of keeping the IRS from the types of illegalities they committed against conservative groups while providing leftist groups smooth sailing. It would also stop audits of individuals. 

  • Anonymous

    Saying government dictation of cultural and religious institutions sounds fundamentalist is hardly an “attack”. Lighten up.

  • Anonymous

    The government and the courts do have complete power unless the people act as a unified voice and the people do not have a unified voice. Our Rule of Law under the Republic is gone and rights have been turned into privileges. Take for instance court cases to decide if President Obama is considered a “natural born citizen” under the law. Judges dismiss the case without allowing any facts to be presented.  One part of the Constitution is just as important as another and there should be a decision based on facts and not court technicalities. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are necessary more for the dissenting voice than the ones who “go along to get along”.

  • Anonymous

     
    The power of judicial review

    Early in its history, in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803) and Fletcher v. Peck, 10 U.S. 87 (1810), the Supreme Court of the United States declared that the judicial power granted to it by Article III of the United States Constitution included the power of judicial review,
    to consider challenges to the constitutionality of a State or Federal
    law. According to this jurisprudence, when the Court measures a law
    against the Constitution and finds the law wanting, the Court is
    empowered and indeed obligated to strike down that law. In this role,
    for example, the Court has struck down state laws for failing to conform
    to the Contract Clause (see, e.g., Dartmouth College v. Woodward) or the Equal Protection Clause (see, e.g., Brown v. Board of Education), and it has invalidated federal laws for failing to arise under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution (see, e.g., United States v. Lopez)
    Wilipedia

  • Anonymous

     Ummm … actually, men do make the laws for America and they have since the beginning. Or were you perhaps under the impression that the Founders were…. angels, or something?

  • Anonymous

    This battle wasn’t about gay sex or any type of sex. It was about marriage.

    The battle that could be said to be about “gay sex” was ten years ago, the infamous Texas sodomy law battle. 

    Regardless, both battles ended the way they should. So I’ll spend only so much time debating a battle already won.

    Take Care. 

  • Anonymous

    I agree that government should not be part of marriage. Many times when government wants control they attach benefits to give themselves regulatory power to give and take away. Licensing is a means to control. What does government not license? What does government not control? Rights have been turned into privileges, limited by license and regulations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.durnan.79 Steve Durnan

     There is no liberty when there’s government benefits. Learn the difference.

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    What in the hell are you even talking about Landree?? I’ve been talking about taxes. Then YOU brought up fundamentalism out of the blue accusing me of making a fundamentalist argument.

    Your argument is despicable for trying to bring religion into a discussion about tax breaks. Let me remind you that even though you’re trying to walk away from it, you wrote, “So you think the Federal government should dictate cultural, personal and religious rules? That sounds fundamentalist.”

    I never made that argument. You tried to paint me with that argument and failed. Now you’re trying to repeat the same disgusting religious attack with slightly different wording. It’s offensive.

    For your information, fundamentalism is the belief in a literal translation of the Bible. 

    I believe it is good for society to recognize the unique relationship between a man and a woman and that the government can recognize it as being good for the state to recognize it as well by giving that union special status. That is not a fundamentalist based position although fundamentalists might agree with me.  

  • Mike Nelson

    Homophobia is clearly not an issue if the topic is not gay sex; this is not a “chicken vs egg” debate but a debate of your framing.

    I expected better of you than this default :(

  • Leah

    FYI, Glenn, your bishop is as deceived as you are.  I know you are a “good “person, but you aren’t following the Jesus of the Bible, you are following a created Jesus!  The Jesus of the Bible is the CREATOR!

  • Anonymous

    Are you serious? I don’t picket funerals or whatever you think I’m doing. You don’t even know me. I’m really tired of all these churches sugar coating scriptures. Telling you all the good stuff and leaving out things like sin, disobedience, discipline, hell, evil, etc. as The Lord says if you don’t discipline your child you don’t love them. My daughter who is a Christian has brought more young people to Christ by telling them the cold hard truth in love than her friends that are telling people just the good stuff. She told me that they appreciated that more because they were longing to hear that. It showed that she actually cared if they were saved or not. You can’t tell me squat.

  • Leah

     WRONG

  • Joshua Grant

    I do know you, though. Your comments give me a pretty decent illustration of what kind of a person you are, and that’s all I need. AWwww, the churches are making Christianity too friendly and loving, are they? You really think the world needs more doom and gloom?

    And I sincerely doubt your daughter converted more through condemnation, and I question how you would even know that. Did you really think I’d believe that you actually know how many people your daughter talked to about the Bible, what she exactly said to them, and what all of her other Christian friends said to try and convert people? You’re full of it. Full. Of. It. But hey, I’m sure God’s keeping score just like you are.

    You’re a liar, and if your daughter is anything like you she’s just as much of a piece of garbage as you are for trying to bring more hate and agony into our religion.

  • Leah

    Glenn, FYI, the Mormon Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible, he is a created being, not the Creator!!  Do yourself and your family a favor and walk away from that cult!

  • Anonymous

    Man can not change God’s laws.

  • Anonymous

    This is why single people, married, gay, straight should be taxed equally. The Fed court just said that straight and gay marriages shall be taxed the same, which is more equal.

  • Anonymous

    Why should gay married people pay more taxes?

  • Jim

    Get the government out of the marriage business! It’s none of my business who you want to marry. To paraphrase Jefferson, “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say [I prefer men...or women]. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

    Give us a flat tax with no marriage benefit and let the churches decide what kinds of marriage ceremonies they want to perform.

  • Anonymous

    Can you say drama!  Holy crap!  You sound like the world is ending tomorrow. You sound like the people in the mid 1900′s and blacks are looking for equal rights? Fear is from the Devil.  Educate yourself and be part of the change.

    Got to tell ya, I am gay!  I have also been a Christian for 35 years.  I take my three kids to church every time the doors are open.  My family prays to God everyday for courage, safety, and good health as I’m sure you do.  

    I think a lot of Christians are going to get a big eye opening when they see heaven.  I think it is sad that people preach what THEY think God says or does. 

    As far as your country dying, it started dying with prayer being taken out of school.  Go back the time line.  Todays ruling had nothing to do with the decline of America.  We as Americans are the reason for the decline. 

    Today was a step in the right direction for equal rights for all.     

  • Pat

    Is the Pentagon the Federal government?

    Pentagon Extends Benefits to Same-Sex Spouses
    (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/26/pentagon-extends-benefits-to-same-sex-spouses/?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories)

  • Mike Nelson

    There is so much pompous and self-serving hyperbole and bogus logic here… most of you who are arguing are ALL wrong about your position being either logical or right, let alone righteous.

    If you feel the need to bash God or religion in an online forum, you’re either insecure or cowardly – or both.

    If you feel the need to justify your Faith (or imo the lack thereof) to obvious trolls, you’re weak.

    Marriage by definition is a Sacrament, and if you don’t believe in God, then you’re stupid to pursue Marriage, because you’re asking for earthly judgement by those whose religion is thus under assault.  Duh?  You get mad when people attack you for your homosexuality; don’t you think those of devotion will react similarly when their belief is under attack?

    In short: this should be a cooperative debate and a team effort, because neither side is happy with the gov’t making these decisions.  For those asking that the gov’t make things “more equal” (lol) you need to focus on removing gov’t from the issue, not giving them greater latitude to make more people’s lives miserable.  For those who are against the gov’t being involved already, you need to bone up and find alliance with those who agree with your most basic premise: that gov’t should go pound sand.

    But that’s not enough, is it?

    No, those who need to push the petulant, narcissistic extreme agenda of offensive dissent, you need to keep attacking religion because you can’t stand the thought that someone might feel superior to you for their belief in something “more than here.”

    And those who need someone to tell them their beliefs aren’t just weak-kneed servility and false hope, you can’t just be secure in your Faith because you ARE NOT secure in your Faith… because you have mistaken doctrine for Faith.  You’re weak, so you haughtily spout platitudes and blasphemy while claiming your dung heap is some kind of moral high ground, and in many cases, those who tell you that you make Christianity look bad, are RIGHT.

    If you would open your eyes and see that NONE OF YOU/US WANT GOVERNMENT IN THE MARRIAGE DEBATE, you would ALL find mutual support and strength… but no, no, the struggle to be the Most Correct is the battleground you choose.

    If you haven’t ever heard the maxim that, “You are what you do,” it may be time to step away from the computer and consider your actions, because if you can’t control yourself in front of your keyboard, there’s no way you can leave your venom at the computer when you go about the rest of your day.

    …and if you are poised to deny this basic truth, you ARE the one I am addressing.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Pat, the Defense Department is a cabinet level department that falls under the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. Equal extension of military benefits sounds consistent with today’s court ruling.

  • Anonymous

    The government steps out of its boundaries a little at a time and now they are in control of everything.  I pray that we can get everyone out in 2014 and try to make a change a real change in this country.  I want my America back!!!

  • Pat

    No need to reply. I get what you’re saying.

    I’m probably the one who is confused, becaused it seems to me that the Pentagon just did what you said the “Federal government has just decided to NOT CONTROL which couples get benefits.”

  • Patrick Davis

    The Republic died a long time ago. It was a slow and painless death. One right after another was taken over the span of the last century and has accelerated in this one. Each generation became a little more communist than the last one and now look around…we are now a communist nation.

  • landofaahs

    And you must be too idiot to understand sarcasm. 

  • landofaahs

    Duh

  • landofaahs

    Cause liberals should pay more taxes than anyone else because they claim to be for raising taxes on everybody. I think you lead by example.

  • landofaahs

    But that forgiveness depends on repentance. It’s all in the New Testament.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.l.weber.9 Dennis L. Weber

    Intresting take on the other mariage variable (ONE man / ONE woman) didnt think of that. Thought I would point out though that Islam does not date back to the beginning of time, It began in the 7th centry. Marriage as defined above however DOES go back all the way to the beginning (even before Judisim which goes back to about 1450 B.C.)  

  • landofaahs

    Another idiotic statement from a libtard. Westboro church members hold up signs that say God hates fags. I don’t believe that. I believe that God loves people but hates the sin. Love the sinner but hate the sin.

  • landofaahs

    Over the past 40 years it is soaring. Depends on the time frame and the last 5 years are skewed due to the hard times which makes divorce too expensive so people stay together for economic reasons.

  • landofaahs

    No. We believe Christ says love the sinner but not the sin.

  • landofaahs

    A mob hit is a contract also.

  • landofaahs

    To your other post.  The root word is retard for both and according to Webster it refers to “delay”  They are different words dummy but they mean the same.  Just as if I say you are retarded or you suffer from retardation.  They are different but mean the same thing.  You retard.
    As for your scripture readings. Try 1 Co 6:9, 1 Tim 1:10, Eph 5:5-6. New Testament  look them up since you claim I don’t and you do.

  • landofaahs

    No it’s not.  We don’t agree with you and want nothing to do with the liberal evil agenda.  You liberals are the ones trying to force your crap on everyone else.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t believe marriage is a sacrament.  It is a rite instituted by God but it has nothing to do with the grace of salvation.  Baptism and the Lord’s supper are sacraments,  That is my belief.

  • landofaahs

    If it comes to that, we in the Red states have ways around most of that.  We’ll let it be a surprise to the feds

  • landofaahs

    Read 1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Eph 5:5-6 for starters.  They are the New Testament versus you need.
    As far as not making people repent, I don’t think the New testament one will change their minds.  Aides won’t even change their mind.

  • Anonymous

    I hope that you will read my whole statement before trashing it.
    First I will say that I’m against Gay Marriage. Marriage is defined as being between a Man and a Woman in the eyes of God. Marriage is a holy religious ceremony that blesses a union between man and women. Homosexuals are considered an abomination in the eyes of God because they are defying nature and can not have children naturally without breaking their vows. Do I think Homosexuals are bad people NO! I have many Gay friends and they are all wonderful people. I do admit I don’t like the sexual lifestyle, but it not my place judge them, or anybody else. Their bedroom is their business, just as my bedroom is my business. Why is it that they can not be happy with a civil union. Have it ratified by all fifty states, which would give them all the benefits that they are wanting. This would end the war that they have started. sometimes you just can’t have the “Brass Ring”. If you use Money and Taxes as a reason, You have problems, and marriage is not going to fix it.

  • Anonymous

     Good point!

  • Jeff Noncent

    I know one thing that God has the final say so in all of this situation

  • Anonymous

    No. You see, you have it all wrong. Our government was founded on Godly principles, and our tax code was designed to reward people for doing the right and moral thing, hence, Social Security, Medicare, and spousal and dependent income exclusions. Additionally, there is Earned Income Credit for those who are struggling to raise children on low incomes. On TOP of all that, there are the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit. These are FOR married, HETEROSEXUALS with children, that were built into the tax code, which ultimately ends up coming out of the taxpayer’s pocket. What this supreme court decision did was begin the start if a “gimme hand-out” that has become a free-for-all, since there is, now, no real qualifier for these credits. Therefore, the next step in the gay agenda is one of greed: ” We want the same rights as hetero-sexual AND the benefits.”. So, homosexuals will lobby for the marriage tax deduction, and since they cannot have children, they have also the adoption credit, which pays for the expense of adoption, the Earned Income Credit, Child Tax Credit, AND the Additional Child Tax Credit, ALL of which will be an unconscionable provision for about 85% of Americans who will be forced to support a host of immoral activities against their religious beliefs. At this point in the game, if there was no monetary benefit for this homosexual agenda, there would be no issue with marriage between a man and a woman. At this point, I, personally, would write those benefits out of the tax code and leave the rest in tact.

  • Equalizer357

    duh

  • Equalizer357

    Nation of Freaks..!

  • Anonymous

    Democrats are known to be perverted, good luck on getting them out of our bedrooms, you are talking about immature adults that never grew up.

  • Anonymous

    don’t the sun look angry through the trees……..

  • Anonymous

    The underlying principal being decided is equality. The position that gays should not be treated equally will be looked back on with condescension as we do of prior treatment of women or African Americans. Your accusation that gays want equality out of greed is ignorant. Gays want to legally marry who they want to spend the rest of their lives with. If your argument is that government wants to encourage marriage to promote families, then the tax deductions for dependents would not be available to married gay couples that did not adopt. And so what if they did adopt. Why discourage pairing orphans with loving gay parents?

  • Anonymous

      “ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which SCALIA, GINSBURG, BREYER, and KAGAN, JJ., joined “. Actually, this interesting and diverse group decided that the petitioners lacked standing to present the case. Justice Scalia was being consistent yesterday in saying no controversy exists if the government fails to defend the law before the court ( the same argument he made in the DOMA case dissent). I think the same outcome should have been reached in the DOMA case— no jurisdiction to hear the case.”ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which SCALIA, GINSBURG, BREYER, and KAGAN, JJ., joined “. Actually, this interesting and diverse group decided that the petitioners lacked standing to present the case. Justice Scalia was being consistent yesterday in saying no controversy exists if the government fails to defend the law before the court ( the same argument he made in the DOMA case dissent). I think the same outcome should have been reached in the DOMA case— no jurisdiction to hear the case.
    Your gripe is with the California elected officials who did not defend the law. From the syllabus:

    “Respondents, same-sex couples who wish to marry, filed suit in federal court, challenging Proposition 8 under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment, and namingas defendants California’s Governor and other state and local officials responsible for enforcing California’s marriage laws. The officials refused to defend the law, so the District Court allowed petitioners—the initiative’s official proponents—to intervene to defend it. After a bench trial, the court declared Proposition 8 unconstitutional and enjoined the public officials named as defendants from enforcing thelaw. Those officials elected not to appeal, but petitioners did. The Ninth Circuit certified a question to the California Supreme Court: whether official proponents of a ballot initiative have authority to assert the State’s interest in defending the constitutionality of the initiative when public officials refuse to do so. After the California Supreme Court answered in the affirmative, the Ninth Circuit concluded that petitioners had standing under federal law to defendProposition 8’s constitutionality. On the merits, the court affirmed the District Court’s order.”

    Two courts determined it was unconstituional. Just like DOMA. No matter what our respective religious beliefs may be, it still has to pass consititutional muster.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1222090412 Teresa Zundel

    I look at this controversy as:
    the Marriage certificate is a legal document…. no one should be denied from entering into a legal contract because of their gender… or any other one of the protected groups.

    The Marriage ceremony is just that… a ceremony, a personal and non-legal procedure. Religion is malleable and adaptable to what the particular group of people wants…Religions can create their own dogma  and their own definition of what THEIR particular beliefs are….a church that says we will marry any two people or multiple groups(polygamy)…. so what. 

    these are two different issues…..

  • Nic Gibson

    does that mean they’re going to start honoring concealed weapon permits between states?

  • Nic Gibson

    Glenn said my faith says that homosexuality is a sin. Can I suggest a more specific phrase from an evangelical. The historic Christian view is better articulated: “homosexual sex is sinful, and homosexual desires are disordered desires.” Otherwise it is ambiguous whether we are claiming that homosexual sex is sin, for the state of having homosexual desires is inherently sinful. Christians have normally affirmed that desires are not in and of themselves culpable sin, and  desires toward sin are from our sinful condition, what the Bible calls “the flesh”, but having disordered desires does not have to be the result of anything voluntary – and can be inborn or the product of nurture. Provenience isn’t the issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tammy.robinette3 Tammy Robinette

    And here’s your New World Order. Just Beginning!

  • Anonymous

    This has nothing to do with love it’s all about sex breast penis vagina and YOU make the choice of which one you want to put near your mouth stop telling lies give it a rest B.S no matter which way you go and I couldn’t give less of a crap.
    WE ARE ALL GOING TO TAKE IT UP THE ASS if you don’t think so SIN  ON !!

  • Anonymous

    This whole sad state of affairs occurred precisely BECAUSE the government has given benefits to married couple that singles don’t enjoy. Instead of re-defining the age-old concept of “marriage” the court should have ruled that civil unions and domestic partnerships should have the same legal financial benefits bestowed upon them that married couples have. NOT bastardizing “marriage” which can not by definition include same-sex partners, multiple partners, incestuous partners, underage partners, or other aberrations. 
    It’s not just the concept of the married couple involved here, it is churches who will be forced to comply with the government-established concept of “mariage”; it is fertility clinics and adoption agencies who will have their criteria challenged in court.
    The world is devolving at a rapid pace. 

  • Shane Williams Sr.

    Im sorry… With as abhorrent as I find homosexuality, once marriage became a secular institution by being a tax benefit, the government lost the right to say gays cant be married. And with the end of it being illegal for interracial marriage, it was going to happen. Again, with as abhorrent as I find homosexuality, the court was right to end the discrimination against gay marriage.  

  • Anonymous

    Society as a whole is harmed by the law being struck down. The concept of marriage and the family is the foundation of society. Naturally the state of California’s looney tunes governor and attorney general are happy to see our state and our nation degenerate even further.

  • Take 2

    Thur. Beck on Radio re Rubio is on fire! Ouch! 

  • Troy Raney

    The bible is mentioned over 20 times on this page alone.  The bible is not the Constitution and gay people have the right to marry and love one another just the same as straight people, regardless of what the bible says because we have this thing called a Constitution.

    So all you bible thumping bigots, get over it!  Go to church and leave the rest of us alone.

  • Anonymous

    So what’s the purpose of a male ram mating with another male ram ? Will it produce an offspring ? So what’s the purpose of the act itself when it doesn’t serve any purpose ? Will you agree that the female reproductive organ is design to accomodate a male reproductive organ & the purpose is to procreate ? You also then have to change all biology text books since it states that one of the characteristics of a living thing is to reproduce. You won’t produce any offspring by inserting a male organ into other ‘inputs’ other than the female canal. Check with Michael Douglas where throat cancer came from, too. If it’s correct to have SSM & every living human being decided to have that choice, then it’s the end of humankind.

  • Take 2

     Birds of a feather flock together,

    And so will pigs and swine;

    Rats and mice will have their choice,

    And so will I have mine.

  • Anonymous

    Marriage isn’t the foundation it once was. The concept of marriage and family is harmed far more by the damages of divorce than gays that care for each other. The US marriage rate is at a century low as our culture rethinks the institution.

  • Anonymous

    What do you think new covenant repentance is? Because it seems like from the way you’re using it, you don’t understand it correctly.

  • Anonymous

    Landree;  You are MISSING the point. I repeat, because you obviously have a block in your thinking:   

    “Our government was founded on Godly principles, and our tax code was designed to reward people for doing the right and moral thing, hence, Social Security, Medicare, and spousal and dependent income exclusions. Additionally, there is Earned Income Credit for those who are struggling to raise children on low incomes. On TOP of all that, there are the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit. These are FOR married, HETEROSEXUALS with children, that were built into the tax code, which ultimately ends up coming out of the taxpayer’s pocket. What this supreme court decision did was begin the start if a “gimme hand-out” that has become a free-for-all, since there is, now, no real qualifier for these credits. Therefore, the next step in the gay agenda is one of greed: ” We want the same rights as hetero-sexual AND the benefits.”. So, homosexuals will lobby for the marriage tax deduction, and since they cannot have children, they have also the adoption credit, which pays for the expense of adoption, the Earned Income Credit, Child Tax Credit, AND the Additional Child Tax Credit, ALL of which will be an unconscionable provision for about 85% of Americans who will be forced to support a host of immoral activities against their religious beliefs. At this point in the game, if there was no monetary benefit for this homosexual agenda, there would be no issue with marriage between a man and a woman. At this point, I, personally, would write those benefits out of the tax code and leave the rest in tact.” 

    And why not allow orphans to be paired with “loving” homosexual couples?  Wickedness breeds wickedness.  And homosexuality can lead to extinction.  And extinction leads to the demise of America and the American Way. 

  • Anonymous

    There ya go again, with this “equality.”  There is no such thing, nor will there ever be, “equality.”  It is impossible to attain.  It is FREEDOM that we are guaranteed and equal treatment under the LAW, and the Rule of Law.   And, not 40 years ago, homosexuality was considered deviant and criminal behavior.  But, we have turned from God and have become a wicked and perverse nation.  The encouragement for straight marriage was designed to keep a thriving nation thriving.  And, as I said before, homosexuality has been the number 1 cause for the fatality of any nation in the past.  Alexander the Great once killed a brave and honorable homosexual warrior defending his home.  The problem?  The society of homosexuals that were defeated couldn’t have children.  The society no longer is heard of except, “Who was this brave warrior?”  And no one will know, because the society is GONE. 

    When will we learn from history?

  • Anonymous

    From “The” incompetent “DoctorWhoCuresCancer”:  “Benefits are things like insurance, pensions, vacation and sick pay. Taxes are not benefits. Glad to see you could be in favor of the Fair Tax.”

    YOU are an IDIOT because you haven’t ever filled out a tax form in your LIFE!  Any American that files taxes KNOWS that there are TWO major parts to a tax form:  tax paid in, and benefits that REDUCE your tax or create a refund. 

  • Anonymous

    Critten;  we are scholars of the Bible, and we co-exist with Glenn Beck.  However, just because our messages are similar in nature, doesn’t mean we are followers.  It simply means that we understand the same truths, and know a lie when we see it.  Furthermore, it was not mass murder in Iraq we were cheering on.  It is the fact that the United States should have nothing to do with it – and just let those people in the Middle East kill each other until they bring actual harm to our allies – and IF requested.   There is no sense in sending our soldiers to die for a nation of people who continue to entertain terrorism and the persecution and dismemberment of innocent people. 

  • Anonymous

    “In response to your random barrage of religious statements up there, why are some of you fundamentalists so obsessed with God’s wrath?”
     
    It is because we ARE in the middle of God’s wrath you nutcase. 

    Countdown:  911, 5 hurricanes in a row starting with Katrina (costing TRILLIONS of wasted dollars on party happy people that didn’t use the money to recover), then, 6 months later, after oil processing plants that provide the oil for that area were destroyed by 3 tornadoes.  Since then, Columbine (a group of teens entered a high school and killed their own class mates and teachers), Virginia Tech mass murder/suicide, a Muslim major performing Jihad shootings on Fort Hood (and promoted while in a mental facility: he hasn’t lost his rank, nor has he been discharged, nor has he gone to jail), our soldiers dying like herded animals in Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon, Syria – at the hands of madmen.  More recently, the passive acceptance of Sharia Law above our Constitution.  Someone once said, if a nation “Refuses to serve God, it will serve its enemies.”  We are being disarmed to that end.  WAKE UP!!

    We are experiencing the wrath of God, which by the way, means, that God has turned  a Blind Eye to what’s going on here.  If we aren’t going to fight, He won’t either. 

  • Anonymous

    Good morning edtoohey, Thank goodness for 1500 animal species that have homosexual behaviors, what if ALL of them have homosexual activities, then it’s the end of their species as well as every human being if they decided to do so by choice, then it’s the end of our species. Since christians are told to love everyone, I’m replying to you with affection instead of hatred. I hope & pray that one day you’ll discover the ‘mythical being’ in a good scenario. Jesus said, “Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe”. A Biblical character named Saul was a persecutor of christians until he got blinded for doing so, yet later he was cured of his blindness miraculously & became one of most famous saint of all, St. Paul. I hope you won’t go though this & discover the existence of the Holy Trinity in a better setting. Have a nice day & a great July 4th !

  • Anonymous

    The only thing that I can warn everyone about is DO NOT LOOK BACK!  You will turn to salt.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but I disagree on all of your points. 1) The tax code goes far beyond child tax credits for married couples. The case brought in DOMA related to estate taxes. It is not fair that that women had to pay the taxes she did when she was married to her partner. What about issues of power of attorney? Regarding all of the child tax credits you site, those credits would not apply to gay married couples without children. 2) Gays want to marry not just for tax benefits, but because they’re committed to each other and want to honor their relationship with the institution of marriage. 3) You suggest equality is not one of our country’s moral priorities, but the fourteenth Amendment suggests it is. This country is not made up of only conservative Christians. 4) Your characterization of gay people’s behavior is the essence of bigotry. But you should feel relieved that such behavior cannot possibly lead to extinction since homosexuals cannot procreate.

  • Anonymous

    The Fourteenth Amendment states that equality is the right of every American citizen. Your point that homosexuals can’t procreate is the very reason you should not be concerned about preservation of the population. Homosexuals are born from heterosexual couples!

  • Anonymous

    It is time that our sons and daughters in the military come home and let the leftist attempt to defend this country with their own lives! That may sound radical but why should good conservatives risk their lives defending these lower forms of humanity who are self centered and hateful of half or more of the country?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001411506406 Allen Sedwick

    All things aside, Satan is the father of lies and reason, we all stand back and argue points that are either this side of the fence or that side of the fence, but what it all boils down to…

    GOD says, these are the rules which WILL govern your life (whether you believe in them or not), there WILL ALWAYS be consequenses for the actions you choose to make (whether you acknowledge them or not), and I AM (god speaking), the great I AM.  meaning everything else is irrelevant, when a branch is sick, GOD will cut it off so as not to pollute the entire tree.  If GOD has not pruned the tree in some time then there IS a reckoning about to happen, and the world better prepare for it lest they get caught up in the “rapture” that is coming.

  • Anonymous

     The Doc can’t see past his hate, Truth is irrelevant to the MeBaggers.

  • http://thedoctorwhocurescancer.com/ TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Lather, since you’re out of a valid argument, you turn to your slimeball tricks. We’re onto you and your hatred.

  • Anonymous

     Blah blah. Junk the whole tax system, for everybody. Taxes are one of the reasons why families get broken up, that I EIC doesn’t do dick when your other taxes and fees are high. Both parents have to work, kids are put in daycare. Parents don’t see each other aren’t able to bond and end up divorcing or cheating on each other, and kids have no stability. The founders would’ve mentioned specifically “families” but they say “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” of each individual. Quit using baloney pretzel logic. I don’t believe any person should support any activity gay or straight with tax dollars. You sound like a typical fake “conservative” a statist through through who doesn’t mind in the least big government if it serves your ends.

  • Anonymous

    gov’t corrupt. look what happen to Sodom and Gomorrah. god judge them. with brimstone and fire.  i don’t hate gay i just don’t like their life styles. i’m for civil unions but not marriage.  

  • Anonymous

     Didn’t your God same something to the effect of “Don’t Judge Lest you Be Judged?” Yet you hypocrites actually are committing blasphemy by trying to be like your God and judge other people. By your holy book that is HIS job. Not yours, so put that in your moron pipe and smoke it.

  • Anonymous

     It seems you people pick and choose scriptures from your contradictory holy book for any occasion that suits your purposes and ignore the rest. God is supposed to be perfect in every way, yet your God fills his book that is supposed to be law of all mankind with contradictions, historical fallacies etc. That is not a God I want to believe in.

  • Anonymous

     Well written. Couldn’t agree more, and the fundie idiot zombies will still insist on forcing their warped view of existence on all of us. You know what. LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. I will do the same for you. If you don’t want a gay couple to marry in your church, that gay couple should go elsewhere. That being said people should be able to give material possessions to whomever they choose whether it be a wife, brother, sister, husband, lover etc. thats justice. I know some of you pea brained Bible types won’t get that and there is smart Christians who usually get shouted down by majority of the religious posters on this board.

  • Anonymous

     ShepDog100 needs to go back too.

  • Anonymous

     This from a book that contradicts itself, gets historical dates wrong etc. supposedly written by the hand of a perfect “God”. Sorry can’t take your book seriously.

  • Anonymous

    No we don’t pick and choose. At points in time we are to defend the freedom at which I believe is God given. I can’t apologize for using His words when at times warrants it. There is no picking choosing for my purpose, but the one which I serve. I do not ignore the rest. I believe all God’s word to be true whether it hurts me or not. I choose to embrace it and find comfort in it because his wisdoms is much greater then mine or any man or woman’s. I used to be just like you until I asked Jesus in to my heart and to be baptized. I ask God to search my heart to let me know what is it in me that needs to be changed. I don’t judge any one because I was once there myself. For all have sinned and fall short the glory of God. That includes me, you and every human being on the face of the earth. May God bless you! Have a wonderful day !

  • landofaahs

    We practice discernment and we preach what the Bible teaches. Yes God is the one who will judge everyone. We are just bringing to light the standards by which he will do so. Did you ever stop to consider that statement you just made was a judgment against us. Yes you are judging us and our behavior. So it appears you are a hypocrite.

  • Anonymous

     Republican and Democratic horse blinder, party idiots crack me up. MY SIDE RIGHT OR WRONG. You people need to get a life, left and right doesn’t matter anymore, they both want to screw you without any lube on, yet you won’t see that or acknowledge it kind of like when the pro football team you grew up with and your family loved really isn’t that good of a team on the field and their secretly taking bribes from odds makers but you’ll still say “THEIR MY TEAM WAH WAH”.

  • Anonymous

     You’re missing the main reason for the creation of the earth and why we are here. Agency; it’s key to the whole plan of happiness or salvation. I invite you to learn more at http://www.mormon.org. 

  • Cherub Rock

     You need to be reminded that the bible is not the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

     Joe, I remember on Breitbart trolling. An unhinged bitter person you are. Twitchy, Breitbart, Beck … lol. What a sad sack of flesh and bones you are.