Detroit: A hot progressive mess

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Well, it was only a matter of time, but Rock City has hit rock bottom. On Thursday, the city of Detroit became the largest city in U.S. history to file for bankruptcy, as the state-appointed emergency manager filed for Chapter 9 protection. Just 50 years ago, Detroit was the richest city in America and the birthplace of the middle class. So what went wrong? Once the progressives got involved, it all went downhill.

“At this point the City of Detroit owes money to more than 100,000 creditors. Detroit is facing $20 billion in debt and unfunded liabilities. That breaks down, by the way, to more than $25,000 per resident,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “Back in 1960 the City of Detroit actually had the highest per capita income in the entire nation. By the way, these facts are from Zero Hedge. They’re unbelievable.”

To truly put things in perspective, it is important to look at how steady a decline this has been for the city. In 1950, there were 296,000 manufacturing jobs in Detroit. Today, today there are less than 27,000. Between December 2000 and December 2000 and December 2010, 48% of the manufacturing jobs in the State of Michigan were lost. At this point there are approximately 78,000 abandoned homes in the City of Detroit. About one third of Detroit’s 140 square miles is vacant. Less than half the residents in Detroit are over the age of 16 and… 60% of all children in the City of Detroit are living in poverty. Over the last 60 years, the population of Detroit has fallen by a staggering 63% from 1.8 million people to approximately 700,000.

Despite President Obama’s grandiose proclamations that his administration saved the auto industry, in recent years Detroit was forced to seek other means of revenue. “The City of Detroit is now heavily dependent on tax revenue that it pulls from the casinos in the city. Detroit is bringing in $11 million a month in tax revenue from the casinos alone,” Glenn explained.

Perhaps unsurprising, crime is also a major problem in the city. “The size of the police force in Detroit has been cut by 40%,” Glenn said. “When you call the police now in Detroit, it takes them an average of 58 minutes to respond. Due to budget cutbacks, most police stations in Detroit are now closed to the public 16 hours per day. Violent crime late in Detroit is five times higher than the national average. The murder rate in Detroit is 11 times higher than it is in New York City. Today, police solve less than 10% of the crimes perpetrated in Detroit.”

While these numbers may be shocking, there are other major U.S. cities facing a similar reality and, in time, a similar fate.

“Now here’s the thing about Detroit that you have to understand. Detroit just got their first,” Glenn said. “Other cities are going to fall. Philadelphia is on this trajectory. Other cities are going to fall and eventually the nation will fall – in exactly the same way.”

Why?

Unfunded liabilities, healthcare, Social Security, pensions, government corruption, out-of-control unions… The list goes on and on.

“The City of Detroit and the City of Philadelphia and the City of Washington D.C., it’s progressive policies that are destroying our cities,” Glenn concluded. “It’s not a problem with the Democrats. Well, the Democrats are over, but it’s not a problem with the Democrats or the Republicans per se. It is the progressives in both parties. And they are headed towards a one‑party system. And if you don’t believe that, then you have to ask yourself, ‘Why is it I vote every time and every time it seems like I get the same policies?’ Because they’re progressive policies.”

  • JETS#1

    Jobs shipped over seas, corporations sending lobbyist to DC to complicate our tax code in order to find loopholes, over the top military budget oh wait I forgot this Glenn’s world and in Glenn’s world very thing wrong in the country is because of the liberals policies know my sheeple go by gold from goldline even though they have been caught committing fraud on multiple occasions

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Detroit is going under, Philadelphia will have it happen along with many other cities; then will come individual states and then the nation as a whole.

    Progressive mentality is a disease that rots all it encompasses until the end comes at long last and brings all down.

  • Anonymous

    Another example of glenn beck trying to fit a story into his “progressives ruined the world theory”. Of course, he is not above ignoring actual historical events if they interfere or intrude or weaken his world view. The reasons for Detroit’s demise are many and varied and their is plenty of fault to pass around. Let’s start with the Big Three. Masters of the cynical exploitation of Planned Obsolesence, the cars that were produced in the 1960s and especially 1970s were junk. Designed for a shorter lifespan, it is no wonder that “foreign cars” soon captured a significant share of the marketplace. Management of the Big Three were responsible for this. The rebuilding of the Japanese and Korean factories using new concepts following WWII and the Korean War was a huge factor into the production of better more fuel efficient and longer lived vehicles. Now how about the UAW–egregious work rules, sloppy habits tolerated, job for life mentality. Extraordinary–but not progressive–just a bald face power grab that managment, fat dumb and happy after years of profit, were willing to give into. A wicked partnership that guaranteed the fall of the American Auto industry.  Bethlehem Steel followed the same path, just a little sooner. By the time Obama comes along in 2008–game is already over Glenn–he had nothing to do with the fall of this industry or the bankruptcy of Detroit. His attempt to save it, did nothing but increase the federal deficit.

    In the 70s and 80s, American industry moved south and out of the country. Why? Cheaper to build a new state of the art plant with cheaper labor to work it; no decaying plant infrastructure to worry about, no union to worry about. And then China came along; and now India. What is your opinion of moving manufacturing jobs to the cheapest labor source  and in countries that have no effective labor rules or environmental protections Glenn? I suspect you are on board with that as a libertarian and free market thing to do right?

    Oh yes, and while we are at it Glenn, throw a jab at the EPA–but for that act of progressive power grab, we would all be breathing in coal soot, carbon monoxide, lead, you know that fine quality of air the old folks in Detroit Cleveland Pittsburgh and Philly wax nostalgic for. Yep, enviros forced big industry to locate elsewhere!

    As Detroit declined, politcal corruption took over–on a scale few cities have seen. Its only hope is bankruptcy.

    Beck does not know anything about Philadelphia either. he is completely ignorant of econoomic enterprise zones, public private partenrships, new economy businesses that have started up in the city.  Try reading Prayer for the City by Buzz Bissinger for an easy read and summary of decline. Although written during the Rendell administration (1990s) it is instructive. DC has always been a city dependent on the federal government. it is in its own category with numerous other problems, but still plagued by a lack of manufacturing jobs.

    Beck’s sits out on his ranch preaching about his doomsday scenarios. he does not have the guts to live in a city and actually try to make a difference.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    A liberal asked me yesterday what happen to Detroit in defending of their race baiting after Zimmerman for some dumb reason but now we can say it was liberalism that happen to Detroit.

  • Anonymous

    i suggest you try living in Philadelphia and actually learn something from the experience. There are many of us who are committed to the city and region who are neither union workers, “progressives” or lazy. There are entrepreneurs who aim to prove you doomsday seekers wrong.

  • JETS#1

     Yes 279bluered but you see your using facts and history to come to a responsible conclusion but becks people want to told that its the fault of liberals cause there’s nothing these personal responsibility conservatives love more then to blame the other half of the country for everything

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    I notice that you ignore the fact that liberals are spending more money than they have. No that has anything to do with it. In these two cities that you mention. I work on cars and I can tell you the three big reasons no one buys from this country anymore one bad quality two more expensive and three and don’t’ last as long as other cars. But all these problems point right back a progressives running the show. it the liberals the push for unions that the companies are force to pay for and they just put the cost on us. It is the unions back by liberals that make it easier to find water in a dessert than to fire bad employees so then the cars are made crapy. It is progressive that destroyed them. Again you have no damn clue what you are talking about and if you would get off your I hate Glenn Beck tirade then maybe you can see reality.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    You must live in a fantasy land. I know people that live their so stop with the bull.

  • JETS#1

     A man who listens to Beck telling someone else to “see reality” yeah I’ll take irony for 200 Alex

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    A man who think Obama is Lord and savior of the universe and nothing he does is wrong is trying to say someone else does not live in reality. Really moron!

  • JETS#1

     When did I say Obama is my lord and savior?

  • Anonymous

    I can’t figure out why they call themselves ‘progressive’ when they seem to think it’s still the 1920s as far as labor goes, 1917 as far as women’s rights go, and 1859 as far as race relations go. 

  • Anonymous

    Liberalism is what went wrong. Their policies, Ridiculous leadership or lack of the good kind and their aim to follow Europe in pursuit of the one world order.
    A perfect case for man planning and G-d smiling. And before some smart asp asks which one, let me enlighten you. It’s the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)
    The meaning of the world asp is a snake, just in case some of you thought that I called someone a word displeasing to Yeshua.

  • http://www.absoluteintensity.com dennis reilly

     Any sensible individual hopes you are right, but what will you do if proven wrong

  • Lex Rex

    279bluered, you make some good points, and show that you know a little history.  Nevertheless, as Sam Fisher points out, Detroit basically followed liberal policies, and no one can spend more money than they bring in without running into trouble eventually.

    I see a problem with capitalism which must be solved.  A business is set up to serve customers and money is made.  The workers naturally want to improve their lives, so they demand more money.  Management shouldn’t be overly greedy, so they should raise worker’s wages.  Ahh! But then the businesses which serve the workers say, “Hey, these guys are making more money, that means we can raise our prices!”  Oh no, now capitalism becomes like a squirrel chasing its tail.  Eventually management says, “Hey, we are paying these workers so much money, there isn’t much left over for us!”  So now they start to look around the world for cheap labor.  Then they move, and the American workers lose their jobs, and look around for other work, probably earning less money.  I guess it is a vicious cycle.  There must be a way to balance prices, profits and wages.  But that balance would require love, and the human heart, being desperately wicked, only loves itself and money, not other people. 

    Glenn is right about one thing;  the only way we can get out of this mess is by helping each other!  Maybe I would call it friendly, co-operative capitalism.  (Pssst.  If the American dollar collapsed and became worthless, then Americans would be the cheap labor of the world, right?)  Then we could rebuild.  Am I dreaming ( I mean “nightmaring”)?

  • Anonymous

     

    Governmental bankruptcy or debt bailouts never work because the
    elected Social Democrat Progressive managers are never fired or go to jail for mismanagement  – and are usually re-elected by the majority
    non-property owners.

    Detroit accelerates to self destruction, but its total demise will only be temporally postponed after the false savior Obama bails it out with more debt.  

    For many shall come in my name, saying, I
    am your savior; and shall deceive many. Mat. 24:5, the first of three event occurring before the ” beginning of sorrows”. Mat 24:8

     

  • Anonymous

    You have described a downward spiral for cities like Detroit but you have not included the ever increasing role the gov plays in this scenario. Gov increases taxes, increases regulations – EPA, NLRB, etc -, increases expenses like Obamacare. Most of these things are a result of a progressive philosophy and progressive leadership. These things push the companies either out of the progressive states/cities or out of the country. Many areas, like Texas and Florida, have lowered taxes and are seeing an increase in employment and new companies. These companies are run by the same greedy capitalists you describe yet they move to less business friendly climates.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    I call it how I see it and I can see you live to please Obama.

  • Anonymous

    The “plenty of fault to pass
    around” you list includes only a history of consequences, not causes. Your
    argument suggests a car wreck, which causes a tree to fall caused a car wreck
    which caused another tree to fall, etc.

    We cannot solve any problem unless the
    cause at the beginning of the first  link in the chain is accurately identified. Do you
    agree?

  • Anonymous

    Saw on the ticker “Hamas publishes tribute to Helen Thomas.” Considering her comments several years ago about how “the Jews should leave Israel,” this is not surprising.

  • Anonymous

    I remember watching an interview about 20 years ago with one of the people who brought improved manufacturing practices to Japan to raise quality. He said he tried bringing those practices to U.S. manufacturers, but they weren’t interested at the time. There was an unholy alliance between these manufacturers and government as well. The Big Three worked with government to weaken domestic competitors. During WW II it was difficult to tell where government began and private manufacturing management began. U.S. manufacturers were effectively commandeered to produce weapons for the war effort. Not a single new car was manufactured from the time the war effort began in 1942 until 1945 when it ended. After WW II government and manufacturers created an alliance to create a managed economy. They got protection from competition by government in exchange for offering generous benefits and rising wages to employees. In a captive market where competition is restricted, of course manufacturers could carry out planned obsolescence policies, and manage customer expectations. Where else were consumers going to go? Meanwhile consumer resentment built up. We had tariffs against foreign imports to protect our manufacturers. In the 1970s and 80s importers increasingly got around them. It was like a finger in a weak dam. The demand for higher quality imports overwhelmed the government’s attempts to block them. U.S. manufactured goods became associated with high-priced crap in consumers’ minds. Our manufacturers had grown flabby and weak against foreign imports, because before foreign competition, nothing challenged them. Imports became associated with quality. President Reagan reduced protections to U.S. industry, and some adapted. Some didn’t. They were killed by their own prior success. They thought they couldn’t lose, because the tactics they were using had worked before.

    To give you an idea of how ingrained the mentality was, I heard from someone who grew up in Ohio about how sometime in the 1990s she drove by a group of union workers there who were protesting outside a plant that had been shut down and locked up. They were acting like cargo cultists who thought if they just made the right incantations (went on “strike”) their jobs would come back. She supports union labor, but she thought these guys were out of their minds. The jobs were gone. They weren’t coming back. She thought they should get on with their lives and find new work, but old habits die hard.

    Detroit was captured by progressive policies beginning in the 1960s, but as I’ve read, the rot may have really begun in the 1940s. This would coincide with the industries being captured by government. Stephen Crowder talked about the progressive policies of the 1960s in 2009. Detroit was one of the progressives’ “Model Cities,” getting huge subsidies for urban planning. It may have been an effort to revitalize Detroit, but it failed:

    http://youtu.be/1hhJ_49leBw

    The real problem with Detroit was that it did not diversify economically. It put all its eggs in the auto business. It did not make itself friendly to other industries. If it had, the U.S. auto industry might have continued to rot, but other industries would have helped support the city.

  • Anonymous

    If Obama had a city it would be Detroit, it is the first Democratic city to die a slow death, it is under the control by Democrats since the 50s. Great job Democrats you just killed your first city, the first state to die will be California

  • Anonymous

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-Krause/100001263810852 Malcolm Krause

    100,000 creditors that will get maybe MAYBE 10cents on the dollar.

  • Bonnie Somer

    truth b told this is it and i believe that if we the people do not stop it we will find that we r to blame also for the failing it is our job to police the govt and we must do that now more than ever run for office put more conservative voices out there never stop fighting this fight or America will b in the hands of people who despise what she is and who we are Americans are not that way our govt is and it is time to remove all of them the czars, the entire admin must go 

  • Anonymous

    Glad to see there are people here talking back to the tired “Progressives are ruining the world” explanation. It’s not known just WHAT Conservatives/Conservative leaning Libertarians have against Progressives but it would be kinda nice if the snarking stopped. Especially when a station has the subtitle “Truth lives here’. Glenn, you’re talking to people to live in cities you talk about. You realy need to get the story right seeing as the people who live in those places know more about those places than outsiders do. The basic facts could very well be true but to put the cause on Progressives isn’t the least bit fair or knowledgable. Case in point, you saying Chicago public schools are being closed because this city is running out of money and run by Progressives. That’s hardly true. those schools are being closed partly because there aren’t enough population in the places they are to justify keeping them open(which is a testimony to how the mayor is runing Chicago because blacks have more money and more choices in city-wide affordable housing and don’t have to stay in gang-run neighborhoods) and partly because they are so outdated it’s easier and cheaper to close them than to upgrade. Also some of those public schols are reopening as charter schools. From what the comments here talk about Detroit has the same problems any city has but has overspent and ignored those problems for a very long time. So now they are bankrupt. But there is an awful lot of opportunity there to turn the place around. So that’s the upside. 

  • Anonymous

    Why did god let Detroit go broke?  Can you “pray away”  the bankruptcy?  Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    She only knows what the “FOXTITUTES” on fox news tells her.  She’s what’s called “WILLFULLY IGNORANT”  BATTA-BING!!

  • Anonymous

    Sammy baby!!!  You believe in a god, don’t you?  You’re the last person who should be talking about reality.  Can you “pray away” global warming for us.  Watch my last show it’s on the “OWNERS” of this country.  And the “simple-folk” they trick.  You’ll love it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwYxSaQPg3Q

  • Anonymous

    WOW!  Sound’s like you’re talking about the 1%.  I think you’ll appreciate my show.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwYxSaQPg3Q

  • Anonymous

    Sam what proof do you have that liberals are spending more money then they have to?  Be specific.  Thanks.  And stop listening to the “FOXTITUTES” pick on the unions.  Tell us about your job?  Why do you have to fix cars?  Why don’t you just “pray-away” whatever is wrong with them?  Why don’t you put your lazy god to work?  What company do you work for?  Are you paid the minimum wage?  Do you have health insurance? 

  • Anonymous

    Sam why is it that you can’t complete a thought without mentioning Obama?  You have that black man fixation, don’t you?  You want to down on the president, don’t you? 

  • Anonymous

    Sam’s not wrapped too tight.  He has invisible friends.  Don’t get to close to sam, he’s delusional.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting theories 279; lots of nonsense interspersed with some elements of truth.  Being originally from the Detroit area however, consider this… why didn’t the suburban communities surrounding the city collapse as well?  Obviously some economic pain was felt, but these cities didn’t go completely into the dumper with the auto industry.  For as far back as I can remember (early 70′s) driving south into the city on Woodward Avenue, the immediate transition crossing 8 Mile Road was and is all at once shocking, sad and a little scary.  It’s what I imagine driving into Beirut or some other bombed out middle eastern city must be like.  Without a doubt progressive policies and politicians working hand in hand with unions to foment an entitlement mentality doomed Detroit.  Entitlements, reliance on government, “profit and wealth is evil”… that’s what progressive-ism is, and that’s what brought us to where we are with Detroit and where we’re going as a nation now that the takers out-number the creators and earners. 

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I do know what I am talking about. For a few years in the eighties, I lived in Detroit, had the opportunity to provide contract services for two of the Big Three (albeit long after the die was cast, when Honda et al were starting to make inroads into the American market), had friends who worked for GM and paid dues to the UAW (and left). and also worked directly with some of the city government agencies.Jobsand people were well on the way to leaving Detroit a shell then. City government corruption was prevalent (although had not yet reached the epic scale it would under subsequent criminal mayors). Much of the Michigan economy was tied to the automotive industry in one way or the other and the writing was clear on the wall. Much of the middle class had already left the City. The 67 riots and the riots following Martin Luther King’s assasination caused a mass exodus of whites and middle class blacks from the city. Loss the jobs; lose the middle class; eventually lose the city. As for assigning blame for the white and middle class flight, there are many (although now dusty)studies opinions and books, from Thomas Sowell to the Kerner Commission.

    My short and admittedly incomplete critique of Beck’s simplistic explanation (all he did was blame it on progressive ideology without a single historical reference–I’d call that incomplete) left out a few other ideas and some common ground for you and I. Spending like a drunken sailor, borrowing way over ability to pay has been the bane of taxpayers under Democratic or Republican administrations–fed state or local. Municipal governments (Detroit, Philly name a few more) made a lot of bad deals because Mayors lacked the guts to stare down the municipal workers Union leadership. Pensions handed out like lollipops, unrealistic benefits packages conceded in labor negotiations because there was no longer a countervailing force. These politicians were not progressive per se–they were weak, lacked vision and lacked a strong business community to fall back on. Mayors Bill Green and Wilson Goode in Philly gave away the store when it came to labor contracts–for no reason mind you other than they wanted to avoid difficult strikes. My definitions of the  Unions are that they likewise have no vision–they are not progressive at all–they are regressive and retrograde. Where I live now, the Unions still act like it is the glory days–they can get away with it because they back the City Council Candidates, Municipal Judges and play a big role in Mayoral elections. In the five county area surrounding Philadelphia, the Republican party pretty much rules the roost and commits many of the same mistakes; or at least is subject to control by those who act out of self interest (albeit from a different self interest).  it is good to be friends fo the County Comissioners outside of Philly

    My problem with Beck is that no matter what happens, he always has a simple explanation. it is the end of the world due to Obama. I did not vote for Obama, and am desperately trying to figure out a legittimate contender to prevent Hillary from either getting her party’s nomination or winning a general election, but Beck plays fast and lose all the time. He  has to be called on it. For example:

    “Despite President Obama’s grandiose proclamations that his administration saved the auto industry, in recent years Detroit was forced to seek other means of revenue. “The City of Detroit is now heavily dependent on tax revenue that it pulls from the casinos in the city. Detroit is bringing in $11 million a month in tax revenue from the casinos alone,” Glenn explained”

    This statement is completely devoid of any knowledge–yo Glenn how many auto manufacturing factories are still in detroit? One good buddy, just one-Chrysler’s plant that makes Grand Cherokees. Let’s see now, how many other cities and states foolishly tied their tax revenues to casinos, riverboats and the like? Obama did not create or contribute to Detroit’s bankruptcy.

    And real estate investors have over the past two years purchased the old office buildings in Detroit ; are holding them or have started the conversion process. Some white collar jobs have moved back from the suburbs like Bloomfield Hills. Qucken Loans’ founder and CEO moved 2,400 employees back into the city. Does this become a trend? Has the city hit bottom? Is it possible to go any lower?

  • Anonymous

    while I disagree with your diminshing my list to only consequences, I do not disagree that identification of the first link is critical. Your first link?

  • Anonymous

    You may have more credibility if you would stop with the snarky ad hominems, but then, that would show that you’re really interested in enlightening discussions.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for adding to the discussion in a thoughtful manner.

  • Anonymous

    Sam we may disagree on many issues, but fantasy land is not where i live. I suggest you check out the Philadelphia Inquirer on line and do a search for the business section. Also, take a look at the Philadelphia Business Journal. And yes, we have a funding crisis for the City schools which is at no time soon going to be resolved without radical reform. Many Philadelphians get up and work each day to contribute to our City. The parasites who feed in the economic dead zones are a big problem. We are not like Beck though–we do not sign up for utopian fantasy lands, what was that he wanted to create out there in Texas–Independence Town or something. Run away–and join my followers. No, we stick.

  • Anonymous

    appreciate the id of the nonsense if you have the time. I know exactly the line of demarcation that you refer to, as I drove by it each day for a few years. And the racial implication is clear and palpable to anyone who has ever lived in Detroit. never forget sitting in the upper deck left field bleachers with my African American buddy during the summer of ’84 when the Tigers ran the table.four black teenage boys looked up to him, he motioned them to come over and sit with us; they sat around him for comfort. Tigers games were usually for white folks.

     I am not qualified to truly comment on the extent of segregation, differential treatment by the police and unions of blacks in the City pre-67, other than the memories of those who lived through it and what I have read.. I do know that once the riots hit, anybody who could left.Whenever a town or city is principally populated by those who cannot leave, you have a problem. And that phenomenon transcends racial identity.

  • Anonymous

    The
    prosperity brought by Ford, Olds, Packard, Nash, Chrysler, etc. brought on
    immense prosperity and Detroit’s roaring 1920′s. Unfortunately, this occurred
    at the same time as “Prohibition” and easy access to wet Windsor, Ontario – the
    best whisky distillery location in North America.

     

    The
    temptation was too great for the prosperous and they turned a blind eye to the
    “Purple Gangs” (Detroit’s equal to the Mafia) to criminally deliver the good
    booze. The police would raid illegal speakeasies, but not seriously investigate
    the Purple Gang memberships. 

     

    The police
    were the first to be paid to be unavailable where deliveries were made. The
    payoffs were so available and lucrative all higher-level leaders/managers and
    organizations that could be criminally compromised were criminally compromised.

     

    Detroit
    became a corrupted pay-to-play city and spread it’s influence north to Pontiac,
    Flint and Lansing.

     

    Alas,
    Detroit (Babylon) the great is fallen – because in her heart she boasts I sit
    as queen; I am not a widow and I will never repent.

     

  • Anonymous

    And MAYBE is the word that only leaves you guessing , I guess the kind of things WE really ought to know.
    End of the dollar , most probable . free stuff and they get in line

  • Anonymous

    That my friend has already happened most just have not come to the realization of that shame yet .
    51st State northern Mexico (the old southern California )

  • greywolfrs

    Yeah, it’s all those evil rich people, they are problem. But never bother to look at the real problem. You are one stupid little kid.

  • greywolfrs

    B S, they are attempting to use facts to distort history, to their own ends. Nice try, but you left wing dolts lack critical thinking skills.

  • greywolfrs

    You are full of shit, but let’s examine what you just said. How did those jobs get shipped overseas? The biggest problem is NAFTA and free trade, who signed NAFTA, William “the Zipper” Cunton. Lobbyists? You do realize that is politicians, on BOTH sides, were not so easily bought off, there would be no lobbyists. The military? Hey stupid, of all the things you mentioned, you failed to mention that the military IS CONSTITUTIONAL, whether you like it or not.  Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass, that would be a start.

  • Anonymous

    Although I’m am preaching to the choir posting on a conservative blog… most progressive liberals don’t read our conservative blogs and don’t believe what we are warning about anyway, but I thought I would throw in my two cents worth anyway, if anyone even cares.
    This is in regards to the failure of Detroit and perhaps soon to our entire Nation.  As I am sure most if not all my conservative friends are aware, Detroit has be governed primarily by Pro-Union Progressive Democrats since 1961.  That is 52 years for those of you, who may be like me, are not too quick with math.  During this rein the city has quickly denigrated to the state it is in now.  But who is really to blame for this?  The Unions?  The Republicans? The Democrats?  Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama?  I say no to all of these.  The fault lies with the PEOPLE.  They chose their leaders and people to represent them.  The Progressives speak of greed of big business and the rich.  The fact of the matter is they (Liberal Progressives) play on the greed of the PEOPLE .  Suffice it to say it has worked and worked well.  This is how Obama ran his campaign.  Tell the PEOPLE we will provide for them, we will take care of them; we will put money and food stamps and cell phones in their hands so they can all enjoy the fruits of life without having to lift a finger.  All the crap in the political ads and campaigns about abortion rights, equality,  justice, you name it had little to do with the elections.  It was the greed of the PEOPLE.
    Well, Ok it’s not all greed.  Much of it has to do with the PEOPLES lack of knowledge of Government affairs, political corruption, rigged voting, you name it.  But by the same token it is the PEOPLES responsibility to stay in tune, by any means possible, to what is happening around them.  But alas that is just too much work.  Even though most everyone these days has some sort of “smart device” in their possession 24 hours a day they haven’t a clue what is going on outside their own little worlds.  What’s worse is they don’t even care.  And therein lays the root of the problem.  Too many PEOPLE just don’t care.  As long as their world is not compromised the rest of the world is oblivious to them.
    I’m sure you have all seen the bits on Leno, or Waters World, or similar programs, where the interviewer goes out on the streets and asks seemingly educated people simple questions like “Who is Joe Biden?”, “With respect to government organizations, what do the letters DOJ stand for?” and the passersby have absolutely no clue.  Yes I know they don’t show the ones who do know the answers.  The point of the interview and the responses is to make us laugh.  Well it makes me cry to know there are so many PEOPLE out there who have no clue of the world around them, even though they hold the power to know everything in the palm of their hands.  Yes I understand that even though we can get the information at a touch of a button, it does no good if the news and information is false and misleading.  But there are many news organizations in the world and we don’t have to accept that ours in the United States is the only real and true news.  We know that to be simply false.  I don’t think you will see news anchors in other countries hanging tampons from their ears.  My point is, in order to get the real, true, picture you have to rely on many sources and put the pieces together yourself.  This is where we the PEOPLE of the United States have failed each other.  We have, for too long, relied on the other guy to do the legwork so we don’t have to disrupt our own little worlds.
    So to that end I say it is “We” the PEOPLE of this great country who have failed us.  We have turned our heads to the improper deeds of political insiders.  We have closed our eyes to the raping of our country by over bloated government and those who seek power and control.  We have not pushed back when those whom we elect threaten to take away our rights.  Why?  Because we don’t know our Rights!  If we have a political representative (Senate or Congressman) in our state who is seeking to destroy our nation by voting laws that destroy the ideals of our great Constitution and Bill of Rights, then we have the moral obligation to remove that person, and it doesn’t have to wait until the next election.  Or at least fight them by letting them know we won’t stand for it any more.  Here is an easy to read and understand how to:  http://www.ehow.com/info_7788388_can-citizens-remove-politician-office.html So why do we think that just because we elected someone, perhaps on false pretenses, do we think they are now there to stay?  Let’s get rid of them at the first sign they are not voting the hearts of the PEOPLE.   Sure the process may not win in our favor, but doing nothing will virtually guarantee it.
     Fact of the matter folks is it is WE THE PEOPLE who have allowed the ravaging of our Nation by those who seek to destroy our way of life.  It is therefore up to WE THE PEOPLE to fix it, not the corrupt politicians WE put there.   It might be a fact that half the country is in the pocket of the government, but is it not also a fact that half the country is not?  Fight back.  It is our moral obligation to insure our children have a FREE nation in which to live!!!
    That is my two cents worth and it is how I feel.  Perhaps many of you don’t agree, and that is Ok.  It is your RIGHT…for now!  

  • cecicijywop

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    It is the unions back by liberals that make it easier to find water in a
    dessert than to fire bad employees so then the cars are made crapy. It
    is progressive that destroyed them. Again you have no damn clue what you
    are talking about and if you would get off your I hate Glenn Beck
    tirade then maybe you can see reality.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    How it seems like you have a B.S. story for all your claims.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Let see here more let’s do simple math. Bush spent $4.9 trillion Obama spent $5.3 trillion and still plans to spend more. Which number looks bigger dumb ass?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    No I have fixation of assholes destroying my country.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Why would I watch your garbage bigot?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, sir, Glenn is correct.  Detroit is a pit, a combination of loss of manufacturing, progressive spending, union and democrat control for 60 years killed Detroit.  Other cities are on the verge.  The nation is next.  Truly,  No one can spend more than they earn.  No one and no business entity and a city, state and federal government is a business entity, the income of which is given by the taxpayers and Bernanke’s damnable digitizing.  We are too corrupt to stop.

  • Anonymous

    BS Story? what part? worked in Detroit? had a buddy who quit his GM hourly job and the UAW cause he could not stand the laziness of many of his co-workers? watched the riots on tv in 67 and 68?. The only opinion I stated was vis a vis Beck–the other stuff is in the history books and current events.

  • fire lion

    So progressive apparently ruined Detroit.  Look what Bush did to America.

    Detroit fell not from progressive policies. It was the lack of manufacturing jobs.  All rust belt cities are near bankruptcy. 

    Whites left because they could. Blacks couldnt leave. So the bigots love it when detroit went bad. and could blame it the blacks. 

    Many cities only stay up because they make it very hostile to the poor. The ironic thing is these cities have so many so called christians. the people who worship a man who washed the feet of the poor.

     

  • Anonymous

    So you can learn something and stop being “willfully ignorant”  But creationists don’t want to learn anything. why is that?

  • Anonymous

    Where are you getting your numbers from?  What are your sources?  Be specific.  Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    What ad hominems?  You sound like a “KOCH-SUCKER” do you support the Koch brothers, the 1%. and the fossil fuel industry.  You need to watch m show, so I don’t have to Bitch-slap you, okay?

  • Anonymous

    What’s the real problem babe?  What has the “FOXTITUTES”  taught you to say?  I’m not a little kid, watch my show.  BATTA-BING!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwYxSaQPg3Q

  • Anonymous

    Greywolves you believe in god, don’t you?  And you claim you’re a critical thinker?  That’s not possible.  Your a joke.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    ABC CNN New York times and reality.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    You’re the only fool that is being willfully ignorant but I guess you love living in Jones vill drinking that cool aid that your cult leader Obama gives you. You worship him like I worship Jesus but you have the balls to say I am crazy.

  • Anonymous

    You’re a funny guy… but not for the reasons you think.  Now get off your mama’s computer and go have dinner.  You’re getting cranky.

  • Anonymous

    I apologize for appearing dismissive of your list. Im not really a good writer. I Believe your list accurately describes many consequences of Detroit’s failing business industry caused by bad management that wound up as contributing factors challenging the Detroit city managers. 

    If you agree the Detroit City managers are the only ones most responsible for either bad or no sustainable decisions relating to their swearing-in statements I would be glad to offer my first link.

    Here’s a clue to my first link in the chain that started this phase of the disaster! http://www.donaldnorfolk.co.uk/lifestyle/machiavellian-tactics-hidden-persuasion-in-business-and-politics-today/

     

     

  • greywolfrs

    I don’t watch drivel, which is all you have. You are a little kid that does not have the first clue where the true problem is. I would explain it to you, but you would be unable to comprehend, dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    The only joke is you, you have no clue how the country got into this mess and have no clue how to get out of it.  Keep your head firmly planted in your ass, that seems to be working great for you.

  • Anonymous

    Sweetheart you couldn’t understand my show.  It’s called who’s telling the truth, something you know nothing about.

  • greywolfrs

    You have obviously cornered the market, dunce.

  • Anonymous

    Of the 68
    comments on this subject your response is the only one hitting the bulls eye.

     

    We the people
    are the only ones responsible for our government, and only our government.
    Businesses have a built in success motivation correction system because the
    owners have their own skin the game and no access to public bailouts if they
    fail. Government is only needed to referee businesses to enforce consumer fraud
    and competitive market control rules.

     

    We the
    people have been duped. If we don’t change quickly we will suffer further losses
    of freedom and economic damages of prophetic proportions. http://www.donaldnorfolk.co.uk…

  • Anonymous

    I don’t agree with your warning because you don’t seem to understand how economic policies work at the federal level, and you certainly don’t understand the nature of power in government and how we can address it.

    We’re an extremely wealthy nation whose current issues with slow growth, high unemployment and annual deficit began about the time of the Republican takeover back in the Reagan years.  Beginning in about 1981, we began putting in place public policies that have resulted in a growing wealth inequality which is at the root of our economic problems.  Wealth and power has amassed at the very top, and those with the most wealth have seen their taxes reduced markedly.  No system this unbalanced will function at or near peak efficiency.  We all saw that, when tax rates on the wealthy were increased under Clinton, we enjoyed not only a booming economy, but we also balanced the budget and went into surplus.  Then W Bush reduced taxes on the wealthy – twice – saying it was needed to promote growth.  Think about that.  We could have reduced taxes on the middle class instead, but Republicans chose to give money to those who need it least.  The results are very clear.  Money at the top is not spent as effectively, the multip.lier effect is much lower than when it is spent by the lower or middle or even upper-middle class.  Result:  deficits.  Obama and the Dems are quite correct that the way to move forward is to grow the economy and the middle class, and that requires deficit spending.  Cutting govt spending further has a negative effect.  bhis is not like your household spending, friend, nor is it like city or state spending.  The bucks start here.  Read up on that; don’t follow the Republican mania for budget cuts.  Look how well that’s doing in Europe.  It doesn’t work.  This is something we know, it’s not a progressive or liberal idea; it’s economics.

    Detroit’s troubles are unrelated to either Reps or Dem policies; the city has been toast for a couple of decades, since the huge changes in the auto industry in the 70s.  

    Re Weiner – politicians from both sides tend to be a certain kind of person, one who seeks and enjoys power.  Power corrupts.  My father used to say he was afraid to vote for any man who actually wanted to be President!  The nature of politics and the insuperable complexity of public policy and governance in a country of this size and heterogeneity means that govt will always have inefficiencies and corruption.  The Right-wing and the media play on this to gain their own power.  The Left, at least, tries to govern realistically, which is why they tend to be more honest – besides being much better at actually governing.  Just compare how well ClintoIn reality, what we need to do is simply take a deep breath and understand that there is only so much we can do before the solution becomes worse than the problem.  This is why the idea of term limits is so absurd.  Don’t like government?  Find your own island.  

  • Anonymous

    Well your obviously a Dem. If you had read my comment you would see the only ones I was blaming were the PEOPLE. I was not pointing fingers at any one group, Dem, Repub, individuals, I said specifically PEOPLE. My father always said two things, 1) Once a crook, always a crook. and 2) If they were not a crook when they went into office they are when they come out. I agree that power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is where our government is at. That is why we should be voting smaller government. I’m not sure how or why you got off on the tangent about economics and started pointing fingers at individuals, Reagan, Bush. But Clinton was going down the wrong path until he started working with Republicans and finally understood it takes give and take on both sides to make things work. Again, I contend it is the PEOPLE who need to take control of the direction of the country, not the corrupt power of government. How is it that more than 70% of the countries people don’t want the new social healthcare yet our illustrious government officials are pushing it through? Their not following the hearts of the people. They forget they work for the people, the people don’t serve them. This is exactly why/how power in the hands of the few corrupts. When they get away with it, it feeds itself. That is why the PEOPLE need to hold our officials responsible. I won’t argue with you on this matter. You obviously have your opinions and I have mine. That is a good thing. I wish you well and hope the government doesn’t take all your rights away, like the right to disagree.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate your thoughtful and courteous reply.

    Yes, you pointed to The People consistently. You also said Liberals/Progressives/Obama got elected by appealing to people’s greed, you said our nation was being ravaged by those who want to destroy our way of life, and you singled out Obamacare as an example of elected officials acting against the People’s interests. And you stated that we need to better educate ourselves in order to provide better government.

    Respectfully, those statements show a lack of education on your part, which prompted me to respond. I’m not partisan for Dems or Reps; I approach government from a practical, rather than an ideological, perspective. That concept seems hard for most conservatives and some, tho far fewer, libs to grasp. Conservatives view smaller government as an end in itself (which justifies their often nasty means.) That’s an ideological approach. I believe govt should be sized to get the job done the best way. That’s the non-ideological, practical approach. This is why, for example, I see Obamacare as a practical measure designed to help regulate a health insurance and delivery system that has proven to be wasteful and dysfunctional. I could elaborate, if you wish, but the bottom line is, it’s a good law, at least a good and much-needed beginning. It threatens no one. And, in fact, most people are not against it; they don’t know what’s in it, because, as you rightly point out, people are lazy and don’t do a lot of research. When people are educated about the specific provisions of the ACA, they like it; it’s what they want. It’s the way Obamacare has been characterized and caricatured by the media, heavily influenced by lobbying from conservative political Pacs, that’s spread misinformation and ignorance and, hence, widespread disapproval.

    Power tends to corrupt, but you overlook the fact that most power resides outside government, in the hands of the very wealthy and the corporations whose money feeds the system. This is why it’s so important to understand the trend towards concentration of wealth and power that began about 1980. The single most important thing we, the People, can do to gain more power and control over our lives is – - – - to move tax rates back towards where they used to be. That’s it. I don’t recall that anyone felt the 50s, 60s and 70s, when rates weren’t so slanted towards the very wealthy, were a period of socialist tyranny. Do you? Why is this solution almost never considered? Because of the power of those at the top, who fund politics, pay lobbyists and exert undue influence over how our media frames the issues, thus driving the conversation.

    You see, the forces that have gained such staggering wealth and, therefore, power, over the last few decades – the uber-rich and corporations – are simply protecting themselves, as is human nature, by selling you the b.s. that our country is threatened by things like Obamacare (a conservative solution), carbon taxes, socialism, etc. The only thing that has really occurred to threaten our way of life is that people are working harder for less rewards and less security and less upwards mobility, while a few are making more and more and spending it on media influence (e.g. Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush, et al) to mislead the People so that they don’t realize what’s happening. And you’re only helping them.

    I’m happy to explain further and give examples. For me, such dialogue is not arguing; it’s a helpful exchange of ideas and information.

  • Anonymous

    Dolosus,

    You’re wrong in where you place blame re Detroit – it’s much more complex.  And, you have absolutely no understanding of progressives and progressive ideas.  Here’s a place to start re-thinking your view about Detroit and its ills::  http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/how-detroit-really-is-like-america.html

    You’re welcome.  In return, I’d really appreciate it if you would tell me where on earth you get the idea that progressives or liberals think profit and wealth are evil.  That notion is so absurd – not to mention prejudicial and inflammatory – that I wonder how people come to believe it.  Please, tell me about the thought process that brings you to this conclusion.