A dose of common sense on Syria from… The New Yorker?

‘Great article’ and ‘The New Yorker’ are not typically two phrases Glenn would use in the same sentence, but this morning on radio, Glenn and Pat read an article by George Parker from this week’s New Yorker that provided a healthy dose of common sense on the Syria issue.

“So I never thought I would say these words, but there is a great article in the New Yorker, and it’s ‘Two Minds on Syria‘ by George Packer,” Glenn said. “I read it this morning on the way in, and I thought this is right… Now, remember, this is The New Yorker magazine. So this is a liberal point of view.”

The article is written in conversation form between two individuals arguing the United States’ options in Syria. Below is an excerpt from the piece:

…So you want us to get involved in their civil war.

I’m not saying that.

But that’s what we’ll be doing. Intervening on the rebel side, tipping the balance in their favor.

Not necessarily. We’ll be drawing a line that says dictators don’t get to use W.M.D.s without consequences.

You can’t bomb targets on one side of a civil war without helping the other side.

It would be very temporary. We’d send Assad a clear message, and then we’d step back and let them go on fighting. We’re not getting involved any deeper than that, because I know what you’re going to say—

The rebels are a bunch of infighting, disorganized, jihadist thugs, and we can’t trust any of them.

I’m not saying we should.

And what do we do if Assad retaliates against Israel or Turkey? Or if he uses nerve gas somewhere else?

We hit him again.

And it escalates.

Not if we restrict it to cruise missiles and air strikes.

Now you’re scaring me. Have you forgotten Iraq?

Not for a single minute.

My point is that you can’t restrict it. You can’t use force for limited goals. You need to know what you’ll do after his next move, and the move after that.

It only escalates if we allow ourselves to get dragged in deeper. Kosovo didn’t escalate.

This isn’t Kosovo. The Syrian rebels aren’t the K.L.A. Assad isn’t Milosevic. Putin isn’t Yeltsin. This is far worse. Kosovo became a U.N. protectorate. That’s not going to happen in Syria.

You think Putin is going to risk a military confrontation with the U.S. and Europe?

I think Russia isn’t going to let Assad go down. Neither is Iran or Hezbollah. So they’ll escalate. This could be the thing that triggers an Israel-Iran war, and how do we stay out of that? My God, it feels like August, 1914.

Read Packer’s entire article HERE.

“This is the real conversation that America is having,” Glenn said. “He just, I think, captured it… I think that the key here on this is that all-Americans, if they’re engaged, are feeling the same thing.”

“What we just read here from the New Yorker was really an honest assessment of what all of the points are,” Pat concluded. “And usually you wouldn’t get that kind of honesty from the New Yorker.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    We need to stay out of this.

  • Separook_bin_Feinstein

    The rebels are killing Christians. Just like the MB is doing in Egypt.  Why are we supporting the same people who killed our fellow citizens on 9-11?

  • Draxx

    Yep it’s using more chaos for more ultimate control by the UN/NWO…  History is repeating itself in shorter burst now, more than ever!  And it is not necessarily the good side of history either!

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. It’s such a mess. There seems to be no good outcome if we intervene. We will most likely end up being a useful tool for some evil group, all the while earning the hatred of other more deadly nations.

  • Anonymous

    Do we have proof that it’s Assad’s regime that used the chemicals?
    It’s quite possible, but the ‘rebels’ might have done it too, in order for US/UN to react…
    The humanitarian toll is monstrous, but I really don’t want to get  involved in another war again.
    Charles Krauthammer had a very good opinion last night on FoxNews. Destroy the air capabilities (planes and runways etc.) without flyover of Syria. If the prez (with congress approval) decides to intervene alongside our allies.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Because Obama is a radical extremist, he sees terrorists as ‘freedom fighters’ and thus his natural allies even when they are not.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Absolutely, and if Obama goes it on his own, impeach him and try him for war crimes.

  • Anonymous

    This is a mess and we are stepping in a pile of…..

  • Anonymous

    Because these are Obama’s allies

  • Isaiah Daniels

    We aren’t stepping in anything. Obama is throwing us face first into it!

  • Isaiah Daniels

    Why isn’t anyone bringing up the point that the WMD’s that Assad is using are the ones that Hussein hid there before we arrived?

    There was plenty of proof back then but the MSM didn’t report any of it. How can people sleep for twenty straight years?

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    Charles Krauthammer had a very good opinion last night on FoxNews. Destroy the air capabilities (planes and runways etc.) without flyover of Syria, if the prez (with congress approval) decides to intervene alongside our allies.

  • Goldfish

    Missile strikes to send a message?  Interesting.  A bit like blowing off your neighbor’s chimney with a shotgun and sayin’ “just so you’ll know.”

  • Anonymous

    hey, plagiarist, get off this site! use your own thoughts and advertisement elsewhere!

  • Anonymous

    Even in the face of logic and commonsense the libs refuse to hear their own rashness and delusion..to them 1+1 will always equal 3

    Libs are those moochers who hire the takers to steal from those who are the producers….. 

  • Take 2

    The Media has kept burning churches – murder = and accepted IRS / President egg hunts – youtube excuses which defy even satin on a bad destructive day. The Christian President i.e. (closet Islamist) is aware of Islamist devils burning “Christian” Churches, since 2009…!

    The recent Churches in Egypt burning down are typical and are differently not unusual…They also use similar assault weapons used on the Mexico boarder.  Hello Congress!

  • RattletheGates

    Could this be the “hooks I the jaw” that Ezekiel 38 prophesies? I figured it would be oil…..

  • Anonymous

    OMG, I couldn’t believe the reference to August 1914 as it is exactly what anyone with any knowledge of history would conclude.  Miscalculations caused untold death and destruction, a chain of uncontrolled, unintended consequences that triggered over 20 millions deaths. This Obama and his Marxist’s are running true to form i.e. everytime they get power it leads to death and destruction, they are just way too intelligent for common sense to prevail. Horrid people.

  • http://www.halleluiahanyhow.com/ GratefulOne

    If I recall semi-correctly, Reagan put a missile through the palace bedroom window of Qaddafi about 4 AM local time. Killed a few of his immediate servants and a son. Radically altered his world viewpoint for a few decades. If we do anything, make it terribly personal to Assad, or don’t do anything at all. Let the UN handle it and don’t “lead from behind” or anything else. I don’t put it past these barbaric cave dwellers at heart to kill their own for political, or Allah’s gain.  

    Isaiah Daniels: It simply did not support the “Hate Bush Doctrine” to EVER
    ask what happened to all of those nasty chemicals we know were in Iraq or the satellite
    imagines of Russian troops before the Shock & Awe, or the General who wrote the book documenting
    the airlifting of the chemicals to Syria. And so on….

  • Anonymous

    THIS IS SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND
    THE SYRIA SCENARIO  Although the anit-american , illegal, corrupted and Islamic-muslim terrorist friendly-oriented current administration will not go for it?It would be wise to let them sort the conflict among themselves.;…these middle east people has been killing each other since pre-biblical times,…their barbarian tendencies and killing insanity is unprecedental…..thousand and thousand of years…..truly pathetic. In there now;…. the struggle is just for local power,… who dominates over who…..struggle for tribal superiority. In here / for here..in our land….the dynamics are otherwise,….just walk with me. When those Islamic-muslim terrorist do things here is for world-wide purposes of conquest;….you see, this great country of ours represent the end of their insanity of fanatic-killing. In here;…. they have a very strong program going on,..is ‘THE CORDOBA INITIATIVE’….so whoever interested to know about it?…just look it up.
    In addition,…if curiousity expands?….check about ‘THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD’ and its association with the current administration an to Barack Obama personally…..just look it up too. So,…once (whoever prevails ) – there in the middle east – once they finish their local feud ,..when they do that and , then…,goes against Israel – for they are going to do it for sure – then,…! that is the time USA should and must pulverize them….(but another kind of administration has and must be in place, for this one now(‘THE OBAMA EXPERIMENT ADMINISTRATION), will do nothing against Islamic-muslilm terrorists) And when they come here?, then we should and must pulverize them all….- and again, we cannot count on the current administration at all for defend our country…can we? It is that simple, there is no need to have a phD in astrophysics to understand this. Input anyone? Opinions welcome.

  • Anonymous

    COMMON SENSE

    What a common sense dictates is,… to leave all that conflict to the people there in the middle east. To leave them alone to sort out their own disputes of / for tribal power….after all, these people has been killing each other since biblical times so it would be good to let them decimate themselves as much as they could possibly can;… so in the long run …and in the short run, less vermin-terrorists will be in the world , as result. But this , of course, is quite impossible, since the unconstitutional fraud-base current administration is Islamic-muslim terrorists friendly oriented. And as for us, patriot americans here in our country…what we should, could, and must do is….MASSIVE MEGA-IMPEACHMENT against the entire current administration for their ongoing insidious assault in so many ways and at so many levels – to the good people of our great country.
    And on this, since the congress does not have any teeth , much less stomach for it, (for they are bribed and intimidated and so in fear) we, the people have, should , must hire external powerful legal array (and we all know they are there) to get the job done. Input anyone? Opinions welcome.

  • Anonymous

    Hey idiot, this is the internet. People have the right to advertise (free speech expression) if they want!

  • Anonymous

    Right. Impeachment is definitely an option. Ever heard of the Wars powers act? Numerous presidents have abused it before.

  • alphadrak333

    russia should do a preemptive strike using 1500 tsar bombs 50 megatons each on the united states problem solved call it payback for all the false flags including JFK 9/11 roswell cover up vietnam  and the genocide of 20-30 million american native indians fuck you america fuck you 

  • Anonymous

    1914… Ferdinand. Enough said.

  • Anonymous

    the only words that come to mind is “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.”

  • Anonymous

    Glenn: if you read the New Yorker more than once a year you will find there are serious intellectual articles and essays that are not merely leftist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    GB u funny!  that shows you liberals can be sensitive and thoughful as well!  Ha, ha!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Because there is also a economic interest there, punk! America does not get into messes unless there is something else to catch on . . . When conservatives will learn?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    I have Obama pain relievers for you . . . Once again is all you talk about, maybe you really like OUR President after all??

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    We ned to stay OUT of a lot of nations, but our police mentality and our economic interests are more powerful than anything you or me can say or do. When conservatives will learn that their idealogy don’t matter? Corporations own this nation and they will dictate to Obama or any other President after him who the boss is. We will always put our noses in trouble as long the neo-cons and the liberal business partners continue to put lots of cash in our elections . . . We need a bit of suerte.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Never will happen! Snow . . . U are dreaming or having a nightmare?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    So, if many have abused before, why impeachment for this one??

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    Story repeats itself . . . Our nation always in messes before and after. Its call political and economic influence and America is the leader of it. I think we should close many military bases, stop sending cash to nations that don’t like us and keep our noses out of other people’s business . . . But, its like arthritis, you never heal, but you keep puttting stuff to feel better.  

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    I agree with the first part I really do.

  • Mr_TrueReality

    I agree.
    I think it would be wise to simply state the truth publcly about this and let all the world know that…
    “This is what the civilized world can expect from a barbarian region of the world acquiring weapons which can facilitate massive casualties and injury in one fell swoop.
    The ‘radical Islamic’ mindset dates back almost 1600 years and they will NOT change toward a peacefull society until THEY decide to do so. Its an honor and religious thing; a completely different mindset than the western world way of reasoning.”
    It is deplorable but, horrible stuff is happening every day and night all over the world,
    It will not stop untill EVERYONE wants it to end…..all at the same time.
    Mr TR

  • http://www.facebook.com/berdean.yolles Berdean Yolles

    because the term Christain, seems to send everone into orbit and everyone else that wants to question

  • http://www.facebook.com/berdean.yolles Berdean Yolles

    Hi Snowleopard.  Haven’t seen you in a few days.  With what you wrote,he’s kinof put himself in catch 22 situation with Syria. As of last I heard, he’s batting 0 with getting much ,if any help.He’s so wishy washy now, even his inside people are spinning their heads trying to figture out what he wants or trying to do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/berdean.yolles Berdean Yolles

    Holy molly!!! did I just read that from , I don’t know of a mess, that he’s been able to make matters worse, and this is no differentWhat economic interest???He’s killed nearly everonethere, and millians have run

  • Anonymous

    So the  rebels are a bunch of infighting, disorganized, jihadist thugs. What is Assad? Who is he gassing ? If he’s gassing the rebels who are jihadist  thugs . where is the we part to get involved. Its more like TWO WRONGS making a right.